If you rewatch you will notice that as you move away from center line the distance increases. We imagine our screens as a rectangle but forget the beam is a cone. Great video
Yeah I see what you're saying, if you watch the video you can see the ice auger come through the ice in every single hole, I can guarantee that the transducer was pointed straight down through the middle of the field but I totally understand where the skepticism could come from.
Jason, this was easy to understand and definitely proves the 20 degree cone angle. I’m a Livescope Addict for sure. Great knowledge base and thanks for creating an awesome group and videos.
Jason, This is really, really good stuff you're producing! If you aren't on the payroll at Garmin, you should be and you should be giving seminars for Garmin. I almost drove 3 hours to see a Garmin seminar then saw the recording of it on RUclips. Um .... it was sad. You would qualify as knowing 100 times as much as the Garmin rep that put on this seminar. Anyway, great to see all of this because without ice (which would be where I live), you couldn't do any of this great work. Thanks again for your effort!!!
Great info, Jason! That experiment brings up another question. Lets sat we are targeting a fish that is 50 feet out. Since the display in forward mode can’t show left and right, how do we know when we are at the target width-wise? I know brightness is an indicator, but it doesn’t seem very accurate. Wished you would have shown a target in the middle hole at 50 ft and also another at the outermost distance of the 20 degree cone. How well I know, “hindsight is 20-20” LOL
Good show. I use a LiveScope also on in my videos. It takes a while to learn to find your bait or line up with it, that pc of metal shows up good. A jig is alot smaller. I fish for crappie and bass here in Va. FLC
Good job. The mystery about the distance measurement saying 55 feet when you measured to the center of the line at 50 feet with a tape measure, can be found in trigonometry. I don't know the water depth, so can't show the math, but you have triangles in two planes - horizontal and vertical. A^2 + B^2 = C^2. Pythagoras is your friend, and the 55 foot number is probably the correct answer.
Great illustration! Did you also play with the colour gain settings? I would be very interested to see of the left/right offset gives a weaker thus not dark red return. This helps a lot in indicating any potential difference in distance from the lure compared to the fish.
Very good & informative. Also gives you some perspective on how big a 20 degree cone is at 8/10/12’. It show how little is seen on the reg 2D transducer.
Watched this video a few more times. Wouldn't the circles drilled at 50' need to be in an arc (circular - similar to a baseball field's home run fence) layout relative to the transducer instead of in a straight line? Maybe that's why the outside hole shows more than 50 feet?
This gives a great overview for real life fishing.. One question though, did you have the zero deg mount or 8 deg mount? I've been playing with that a bit lately. Zero gives a great pic for vertical fishing.. But is a bit 2 dimensional.
There is also the intensity of the reflected image consider, The outermost are a bit ghostly in real time. Dead center is bright. Trick is to get the target and bait both bright intensity
Jason, I’m the guy that started that post with the picture of the poles at a 20 degree angle. So If you see a fish 25 feet out, you know how far to cast and you know within 9 feet right to left where the fish is, correct? If you move your bait 4 feet to the right or left, it doesn’t change the image on your Garmin. I guess what I’m saying is, it may look on your screen like your bait is directly above the fish because they are the same distance from the transducer but in reality it may be 4 feet to the right or left of the fish.
To be honest with you I'm still not completely sold. Obviously the video shows that you can pick up a return at those distances but we all know that while moving the transducer back and forth you'll pick up the most solid return for that object. And that's where you key and on where to cast.
818 Outdoors - Jason Young I think you are correct. I think it would be interesting in that set up you showed to put something down in the center hole like it was a fish. Then put “jigs” down in the center hole above the fish and also in the outside holes,maybe at different depths to distinguish them.. and see what that looks like on the scope. Does that make sense?
do a not garmin echo and u can stream to extra screen likle a ipad and some other screen. but garmin livescope and ps30 or sp31 is great for this use. gl all!
I know this is old but the distance is off because the center hole is the only hole at 50ft. The rest of the holes would have to drilled on a 50ft radius. The further out you go from center the further away from the transducer your getting.
To find center you need to go left and right at 25’ see what width you have and mark center of that then do it at 50’ you only went to the right of what you think is center cmon man.
Great video I almost skipped over it because of the ice fishing but it actually gives a fantastic explanation of the beam width
If you rewatch you will notice that as you move away from center line the distance increases. We imagine our screens as a rectangle but forget the beam is a cone. Great video
Love video. But 1 flaw. You should check both side of the cone to ensure transducer is center.
Yeah I see what you're saying, if you watch the video you can see the ice auger come through the ice in every single hole, I can guarantee that the transducer was pointed straight down through the middle of the field but I totally understand where the skepticism could come from.
My thoughts exactly
Jason, this was easy to understand and definitely proves the 20 degree cone angle. I’m a Livescope Addict for sure. Great knowledge base and thanks for creating an awesome group and videos.
Jason, This is really, really good stuff you're producing! If you aren't on the payroll at Garmin, you should be and you should be giving seminars for Garmin. I almost drove 3 hours to see a Garmin seminar then saw the recording of it on RUclips. Um .... it was sad. You would qualify as knowing 100 times as much as the Garmin rep that put on this seminar. Anyway, great to see all of this because without ice (which would be where I live), you couldn't do any of this great work. Thanks again for your effort!!!
Wow, thanks!
U r one dedicated and very intelligent young man. Im very impressed. Best wishes in your future endeavors. Wow
Great info, Jason! That experiment brings up another question. Lets sat we are targeting a fish that is 50 feet out. Since the display in forward mode can’t show left and right, how do we know when we are at the target width-wise? I know brightness is an indicator, but it doesn’t seem very accurate. Wished you would have shown a target in the middle hole at 50 ft and also another at the outermost distance of the 20 degree cone. How well I know, “hindsight is 20-20” LOL
Awesome video. Thank you for putting in the time to clear this up. I've seen many conflicting ideas on what is really in view when forward looking.
Now this one is worth watching.....thanks!
Good show. I use a LiveScope also on in my videos. It takes a while to learn to find your bait or line up with it, that pc of metal shows up good. A jig is alot smaller. I fish for crappie and bass here in Va. FLC
Good job. The mystery about the distance measurement saying 55 feet when you measured to the center of the line at 50 feet with a tape measure, can be found in trigonometry. I don't know the water depth, so can't show the math, but you have triangles in two planes - horizontal and vertical. A^2 + B^2 = C^2. Pythagoras is your friend, and the 55 foot number is probably the correct answer.
Completely correct. a true 50 foot arc would mean the holes would have been drilled NOT in a straight line.
Very good presentation for beginners. Thank you.
When will you do a similar presentation for Perspective mode?
Great illustration! Did you also play with the colour gain settings? I would be very interested to see of the left/right offset gives a weaker thus not dark red return. This helps a lot in indicating any potential difference in distance from the lure compared to the fish.
Fantastic!!! As always
Very good & informative. Also gives you some perspective on how big a 20 degree cone is at 8/10/12’. It show how little is seen on the reg 2D transducer.
so at 50 feet out, the max width of the coverage area is 28 feet.?
This is a good video. Could you do this again and drill a couple of holes at 10 and 15 feet from the transducer for us crappie fishermen?
Good video ! Good information. Thanks..
Watched this video a few more times. Wouldn't the circles drilled at 50' need to be in an arc (circular - similar to a baseball field's home run fence) layout relative to the transducer instead of in a straight line? Maybe that's why the outside hole shows more than 50 feet?
Possibly if you're going to get that detailed with it, however You're splitting hairs at that point
@@818Outdoors Ok, I thought that might account for you seeing your jig/piece of steel at 55 feet instead of 50 feet.
@@steveking8548 you got it right, Steve.
Can you do this for the perspective view too?
Can u do same thing with perspective mode
And down view mode
Everyone would see the difference between the modes thank this video very informative
Thanks for doing this test👍
Love it!! So so important!!
Agreed you should have used left side holes . The 55 foot measurement is the Hypotenuse of a triangle and therefore it would be farther away
This gives a great overview for real life fishing.. One question though, did you have the zero deg mount or 8 deg mount? I've been playing with that a bit lately. Zero gives a great pic for vertical fishing.. But is a bit 2 dimensional.
I always use the Zero degree.
There is also the intensity of the reflected image consider, The outermost are a bit ghostly in real time. Dead center is bright. Trick is to get the target and bait both bright intensity
Interesting video I am thinking of buying livescope in the future.
Great video. I do a.lot of vertical jigging. I would also like to see true width at 5 and 10 feet. Good job!
Thank you so much for the information, great job
Thanks good job brother
That is awesome sauce can't wait to use mine.
Great stuff
Great video! You ever make it down here to the bass tank let’s go fish!
Jason, I’m the guy that started that post with the picture of the poles at a 20 degree angle. So If you see a fish 25 feet out, you know how far to cast and you know within 9 feet right to left where the fish is, correct? If you move your bait 4 feet to the right or left, it doesn’t change the image on your Garmin. I guess what I’m saying is, it may look on your screen like your bait is directly above the fish because they are the same distance from the transducer but in reality it may be 4 feet to the right or left of the fish.
To be honest with you I'm still not completely sold. Obviously the video shows that you can pick up a return at those distances but we all know that while moving the transducer back and forth you'll pick up the most solid return for that object. And that's where you key and on where to cast.
818 Outdoors - Jason Young I think you are correct. I think it would be interesting in that set up you showed to put something down in the center hole like it was a fish. Then put “jigs” down in the center hole above the fish and also in the outside holes,maybe at different depths to distinguish them.. and see what that looks like on the scope. Does that make sense?
I thought 3.5 ft width for every 10 ft out. So 25 ft would be 8.75 feet wide?
Good job bro!!
You drilled those holes CLOSER together than I would have! lol
How thick was that ice?
6"
Lol
Well that saved me bunch or work thank u
Like the video did a great job
so the further the beam goes out the wider the beam gets. ? according to your experiment, thats what I see.
Yes
Good information
thanks.
do a not garmin echo and u can stream to extra screen
likle a ipad and some other screen.
but garmin livescope and ps30 or sp31 is great for this use. gl all!
What you talking about Willis?
I know this is old but the distance is off because the center hole is the only hole at 50ft. The rest of the holes would have to drilled on a 50ft radius. The further out you go from center the further away from the transducer your getting.
To find center you need to go left and right at 25’ see what width you have and mark center of that then do it at 50’ you only went to the right of what you think is center cmon man.