We Test the Terrifying Ultra-Perforator Shotgun Slug
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Today we test out a precision 12ga slug designed and fabricated by a viewer from California. We had a number of failures initially, but after some re-calibrations, managed to save the day and get the slugs functioning quite well.
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If people understood just how dangerous the Welsh Rabbit is, they would understand the need for this slug. Many knights have fallen to this savage beast, and they're usually hunted by elite forces using very specialised hand grenades from Antioch. These have been in short supply due to global supply challenges, so it's good that there's now something completely different. Especially as the Welsh Rabbit is delicious on toast.
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.
The most foul, ill tempered rodent you ever did meet!
That's the Welsh RAREBIT not rabbit.. ye they are a mean predator and need slugs and grenades on them.
"What'd he do.. nibble your bum!"
I soiled my armor I was so scared!@@speedoman1234
The fact that you were able to figure out what was wrong and correct it in the field is amazing and a testament to your skills and dedication to your craft!! Well done sir!!
and a little bit of desperation! lol
It doesn't matter brother it was great thinking and experience on the fly kudos to you sir!
@@taofledermaus is it possible that the crimping itself could have been what caused the problems?
@@taofledermaus WALES where there is a large U.S. Military / Intelligence presence. Must be Coincidence... 😉
Jeff's the man, I've been watching him for years. He really knows his stuff, this just proves it.
Couldn't agree more with this comment, I thought the same thing.
The amount of time and craftsmanship that went into these is insane.
To bad they cant own a firearm..
@@Wheeling88 OI U GOT A LOISCENSE FOR THAT LAITHE?
@@Wheeling88They can own a firearm.
@@mrglock568 A few can.
Talk about a mega fan
That gel performance is amazing, thing would make a great combat round.
its definitely a Fin Lethal round ..........😲
All purpose for sure
Definitely a bad day if you get hit with it.
An amazing round that expands as predicted.
Great save, managing to turn it into a complete win. That last gel shot was fantastic, never seen a wound track look so brutal (except maybe when Garand Thumb shot a ballistic torso with a tank round, but that's not really in the same league)!
😂😂😂
@@behave7583 😅😮😮
You know a slug is good when you have to compare it to a tank round
That gel block test was something else. I've never seen anything leave a wound channel quite like that. Those copper petals did a number on that ballistic gel.
Yeah absolutely amazing. If you trace it out against a human cross section it leaves a 6" exit hole on a scrawny guy... Bigger for us chunks. Truly shocking. I want 1,000....
Agreed, that would certainly be a nightmare to get hit with.
Seriously, that's a devastating wound track. Talk about One and Done.......
i havent quite made it to the gel block test yet, but by the way you describe it, it makes me wonder if youve seen _Elephant Rifle Annihilates Ballistic Gel at 82,000FPS - The Slow Mo Guys x Kentucky Ballistics_
ruclips.net/video/nsJGJHkJolI/видео.html
yeah, scotts elephant gun @ 82kfps from the vid in my first comment was definitely crazier.. there is even some either tribo or piezo luminescence, which are both defined rather similarly, hence the reason im not sure which one it is. but that reverse arrow shaped wound channel is rather impressive.
Note to self, pressure ranges aren't just about keeping the firearm from grenading, they're also about making sure the projectile functions as designed.
I did see some damaged gas seals, so that might have caused the hot gassed to melt the sabots.
@@taofledermaus Could you progressively dip the slug in something like a truck bed liner coating to achieve the needed diameter-like some kind of psychotic candlemaker-or is that just a really stupid idea?
They need a website
@@user-ef4gf7rr9r not sure how you'd get a precise layer on and it might be so gummy it would foul the barrel
@@user-ef4gf7rr9rLike some psychotic candlemaker... that's a good one.
Nothing better than a true tradesman diagnosing the issue and fixing it in the field with what he has on hand! Then making it go 💥!
thanks!
@taofledermaus I still rock your gummy bear shirt and hoodie, been wearing them for years. You're extremely talented and knowledge 👍👍
Kudos to the man that machined these slugs.
Skill a Knowledge requided to take on this project is on another level.
This is not only one of the most impressive slugs I've seen yet!(post field repair) but one of the best videos you guys have ever done! Figuring out the problem and correcting it on the fly like that was impressive! Great work as always guys!
I saw no failure here, only opportunity to learn. Thanks for the presentation! What a round!
Only real issue I would say would be having alum. against copper. They don't like each other. These likely wouldn't last long (shelf life) cuz of the corrosive effect alum/copper have with eachother
21:03 that high-speed footage of the gel block is amazing. That's a huge energy dump as the round comes apart.
it dumped more energy than a hollow point and had that core wreck shot fkn beautiful
Magnificent to watch !
Powerthirst! Energy Dump edition! More energy than your toilet has room for! Now with maximum laxatives! Feeel the impact! * Warning! Watch out for backspatter! *
...may cause ricochits.
you oughta see what scotts elephant gun does to a gel block through the slo mo guys 82,000 fps phantom.. one of the most satisfying gel shots ive ever seen.. probably _the_ most..
ruclips.net/video/nsJGJHkJolI/видео.html
enjoy!
Gregg: "Mr. Anonymous wants to keep his name a secret"
Jeff: "yeah this is the dude lmao"
I put my hamster in a sock and slammed it against the furniture
@TippyHippy Lol you worked at a pet value before didn't ya? 😂 My buddy used to work at one and anytime someone came into the shop looking for mice for their snake they had to take some of the live ones in a bag and smack them off the side of the table in the backroom
@@TippyHippy oh my god thats horrible!
@@lca89 Holy fuck my sides, this comment was so unasked for but i'm in tears, lmao
@@MagicalBreezeyeah, just feed your snake live mice, they like the hunt...
The permanent cavity in the gel is amazing! So symmetrical! Really a testament to the engineering that went into the projectile.
Too right!
Looks like a cutaway of an anti-armor shaped charge going off. Really cool!
Who could have known the Welsh penetrator had nothing to do with sheep this time ;))) Awesome vid as always!
thanks!
So, counting the split plastic shotshell, it's a quadruple sabot. Helpful tip: carry a copper pipe cutter to surgically remove the crimps in the field. Hope OG has more time now. Always like both your guy's content.
A straight edge razor blade and a short piece of copper tubing with a small slit cut into works like champion or you can purchase a shot shell disassemble tool. I keep the razor blade and tubing in my shooting bag and the shell disassemble tool hanging from my loading bench.
Makes me very Happy to see OG AND JEFF together
"When you're pushing too hard, it's time to back off a little bit." Wise words from OG.
Their garbage eyeballing the sabot thickness is most of the problem and dropping the load gives the rifiling more friction to work with
@@815TypeSiriuswhoosh.
@@815TypeSirius You missed the joke and must not have watched the video. Jeff clearly measured the sabot thicknesses.
Yep, .650" plus .060" is .730. Definitely a very tight bore fit.
@@taofledermaus Maths is hard! 🤣
Spalling is fragments of whatever you shot breaking off and becoming projectiles. 👍🏻 OG dropping the knowledge on ya. Nice Slug too.
Or off the backside of what it hit.
That seems to be the more typical use
This was a great video! A problem arose, which happens of course, and you fixed it in the field. Amazing. And OG is always a treat.
What a tremendous slug! I never realized that over gassing could provide such instability. Great video guys!
It's the relationship between projectile mass, explosive acceleration vs projectile inertia, barrel length, and twist rate.
Looking at the warped sabots I wondered if it has anything to do with the strength and durability of the sabots. If so…maybe stronger (but not harder than the barrel) sabots could work?
With KE = 1/2MV^2 velocity and the contact area with the AR500 plate would be the biggest factors to penetrating the armor.
Yeah over gassing is a pain in the butt, when you shart.😂
i wonder if adding a 5th layer, of lead, rather than needing plastic inserts would let it go faster without destabilizing?
@@eclipsegst9419 a 5th layer of lead. Not 100% but it could be awesome! 1. It’s soft and grips on. 2. Rotational energy is retained mainly on the outside edge of rotation (like a flywheel). However I doubt it would stay on. Also wouldn’t want it as a sabot as sabots are meant to increase the diameter adding as little weight as possible only to fly away. All that KE would be wasted otherwise
Love the honesty, good or bad y'all consistently put out the real deal.
thanks!
That shot on the lead plate where to caught the round was cool, but the one versus the gel block was terrifying. Gave me goosebumps. What a horrible wound channel. What amazing engineering on that round!!
And such wide tears in the gel.
i know... i have no real medical knowledge beyond basic EMT but can you even imagine being a surgeon and trying to correct a wound like that? good luck...
@@MK-lk7nc Would be a horrifying wound to have to work on.
@@cycoholicthat wound would never get worked on by a surgeon if it hit core mass. DOA
@@JoeGraves24 Totally true. What a scary round.
Excellent job figuring out that that less is more with the stability issue. When flying straight on I have never seen a more devastating projectile. The wound track in the gel block was something to behold.
The "Sabot Slip" is my favorite dance when I go to the club.
It's pronounced sabot, not sabot!
I can't believe that ballistic gel turned that slug into a reverse arrow with blades.
Mr. Anonymous I tip my hat to you.
Notice the 'K' on the slugs?
There is only one "I" in aluminum.😂
Yeah that round is devastating. I really think that if he made a few adjustments to the materials by either replacing the copper or aluminum then he could really get some good money from that thing.
Please get more of these !!!!!! That gel block shot was insane 😮
He has some other stuff in the works!
@@taofledermaus subbing to make sure I dont miss that shit. Absolutley insane.
Yea that thing was spinning like a top after the adjustment too..
@@taofledermausbalsa wood country
That would make a hell of a hog slug.
..........only works on sheep boyo
Those slots in the side look like a perfect spot for a 3D printed sabot to interface with. I bet you could still push them super fast but also get great stability. The world may never know
I was thinking the exact same thing, I am a little dubious about a printer's ability to be that precise though as the thinnest nozzle I've ever seen was still 0.1mm.
@@Voltaic_Fire You're talking like .58 mm wall thickness with no interference fit, you could probably do it with a bog standard .4mm nozzle.
@@MillionFoul I still have my doubts, I would need to see it attempted.
In the end, both of you did these projectiles the justice they deserved. Those projectiles would definitely have some great hunting and other applications.👍
thank you!
As a veteran, I love the fact that these work exactly as the military would want them to for maximum effect. That wound track/channel is just beautiful.
Unfortunately the military would never be allowed to use a round like this.
@@kirtoverseasjust put a ballistic tip on it...
@@kirtoverseas I know. It's not deadly or painful enough for them to be useful to the US military. Now if they could put a Plutonium core in there surrounded by some C4 and could eject a stream of white phosphorus through some rear jet ports as it travels in flight then they might just get it into testing as a peacekeeping round.
@@Kit_Bear 😂😂
@@Kit_Bear XDD
I love that you showed the failures and the process taken to try and fix the problems. It's more entertaining than just seeing a round work every time and makes the success that much more satisfying to see.
I agree! Extremely impressive and these two are serious legends who really need way more attention in the RUclips gun community! Would love to see OG and Jeff do a video with Demolition Ranch aka Matt or anyone else.. it's all about community! ❤
Amazing rounds! Huge props to the guy who designed and manufactured these gems. Thanks guys for another awesome video!
thank you
Fun fact, "The Welsh Penetrator" is also Tom Jones' nick name for his lady sword. Also aluminium is utilised pretty much by everybody outside the US. Like imperial units and other redundancies, aluminum is just America's way of feeling special. It's cool. You're having fun, that's what counts.
Wolfram 😑
i love this guy's creations. Imho the best slugs you guys have tested have come from this dude in wales and that other guy in Russia. Although those exploding slugs were pretty awesome, I'm sad that you guys never got a "version 2" to test.
I watch the show with you and OG the most just to hear the dark comedy and slick comments that always finds there way out of yalls mouth😂😂😂
Beautiful slug. So much effort and work went into those rounds. Awesome to see you and the OG. Love the video
thanks!
This is easily one of my favorite channels on RUclips! I thank you so much for all the hard work you've put into making this channel!
That was one of the most violent reactions I've seen out of a 12 gauge into gel!!! Crazy temporary and insane permanent wound channels!!!
I have to confess, at least 10% are the reason that I look forward to each of your new video drops is that they remind me of trips with my stepdad down from Mariposa somewhere in the foothills of Merced or Fresno to very very similar terrain for an afternoon of shooting in both dusty heat and malaria ridden clouds of mosquitos. Being a pre-driver, I can't get any more specific on where we were, and he passed away 15 or so years ago so I cannot ask, but still... Feels. Nostalgia.
Great round and excellent save Jeff. Everybody makes mistakes, you corrected and got a win. Thanks for letting us in on the process.
Thanks 👍
Wow. Gotta appreciate the time put into those. Actually quite beautiful in a way. Thanks.
thanks!
It's great to see OG back! There ain't nothing like the real thing!
Thanks Chris.
First time seeing him but love his sense of humor. And he’s a crack shot
I am missing new videos. I hope all is well on your end. I have been going back and watching some of your older videos. I must say that over the years, your videos have progressively gotten better. It's amazing how much technology with the cameras and sound has improved, as well as the way you put the videos together. Hopefully now that O.G. is retired he will have more time to help you with the videos as well as maybe he will have time to produce more content for his channel. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Jeff ,Thanks OG and Thanks to the Bright Spark who created them . Those first four shots were certainly pretty wayward , but Jeff's swift analysis and cunning use of logic & judgment to lighten the load certainly tamed the last of those slugs , of course they were not at all tame, and really proved rather effective , and down right impressive in the lead plate . If the donor of the slugs were to make another batch I'd suggest machining the bronze pusher plate thinner and using a hardened steel pusher plate wider than the hardened steel penetrator in the hope that the penetrator isn't pushed back through the base . Having now presumably having been able to watch this video I would assume he's probably having similar thoughts . Well done to all of You for making , loading & shooting these really interesting slugs. Catch You next episode (even if I am late to the show) Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well.
He has some other ideas that should be coming up in the future.
@@taofledermaus I look forward to seeing those being tested , he certainly put some time & thought into the first batch . Thanks again .
Reloading knowledge and skill evident. Impressive slugs and on the spot trouble shooting. I learned stuff by watching. 👍
thanks!
Thank you gentlemen. Appreciate the dedication and adapting.
thanks!
When you are experimenting, a failure is a learning point. It lets you learn so is a benefit. You did ok because you learned.
I love ballistic gell testing. You guys get some unbelievable results with some of these creative slugs. I've never seen a wound track like that!
thanks!!
Sometimes less is more, especially in hand loads, huh? Very interesting.
Cool rounds, great video!
Indeed!
When you can't decide on the best metal for a slug, use all of them! Neat stuff!
thanks!
He missed out on tungsten
Really a scientific Procedure! Congratulations, you've nailed the powder amount (scientifficaly, of course...) I love "mass acceleration" thinguies and exploring their capabilities!
Thank you!
Before I even watch the video, what a nice-looking load. And, after you reduced the load from nuclear to just TNT it seems to shoot pretty well. Good to see you two together again. Always look forward to your videos.
Another incredible round and, MY GOD, is it nasty! You don't walk away from something like that! It would be a great round for hunting squirrels. (The real mean ones that won't stay out of your bird feeder). I'm also VERY impressed with your field diagnosis and field modification! No one can deny that you know your stuff! Thanks for another great video. Very informative and amusing. The round in the gel was a work of art. My compliments to the Anonymous Donor for design and workmanship. He put a lot of thought, time and effort into those slugs. Thanks, guys. Keep 'em coming.
I’m glad you loaded them at a higher fps, due to the nature of the slug. Due to them being a solid hydra static round that acts like a hollow point but staying in shape. But it was very cool to see they stayed true at a slower speed
It was my goal to see them go through an AR500 plate so I got a little ambitious!
Always impressed with your ingenuity on the fly. Another great video.
Thank you very much!
Astonishing attention to detail, fabulous results. I loved the section detailing the proper fitting of the sabot, I often wondered how it all came together to ensure stability and accuracy......or as much as possible.
Thanks!!
Outstanding!
Jeff's ingenuity never ceases to amaze me. With a couple inches of penetration before starting expansion, this would be interesting with a shoulder blade, piece of skull or equivalent on the front of the gel. Heavy dinner plate and a few pieces of leather? Sure would like to see that if the anonymous donor would fab a few more projectiles.
Excellent content as usual.
Appreciate the time, effort and expense you guys put into these.
Keep'em coming!
I found the best tool to disassemble slugs is an old fashioned potato peeler, the kind that has the blade running parallel to the handle. Hold the slug in one hand and use the potato peeler to "peel" the folded edge of plastic off. The slug will now drop out. Easy and no danger of getting cut.
Cool idea!
As always you two never disappoint. Way to think on your feet Jeff.
thanks!
The mass should be on the outside of the projectile for spin stabilization. Eg., copper with an aluminum core, not the other way around.
Seeing it hit the gel block at the end was very impressive.
I have a strange idea but it might help you with misses and recovery of fragmentation.
A large kevlar curtain draped loosely over a rope that is suspended across two poles, you'll want as much width and height behind the target that you can get, and the thickest kevlar you can get ahold of.
This will help deflect the rounds into the ground, and reduce their impact energy by a lot, increasing chances of recovering intact projectiles.
I have to commend y'all on a great recovery. Dumping some powder was genius!
thanks!
Jeff, you remind me of a master alchemist doing minor adjustments in the field just to get something to work! Great bit of shooting, especially that lead plate shot! I actually cheered out loud when I saw that penetrator flying out the back in the high speed!
lol thanks!
Really glad you got these rounds working properly! I hope these things get into the hands of some sort of ammo production company, imagine these things against SOFT armor when they're stabilized, I bet that little core zips right through it!
Been shooting muzzleloaders practically all my life, learnt a long time ago that overloading leads to unstability and loss of accuracy. Never thought it applied to nitro firearms. Live and learn eh? Nice one guys, so good to see you both together working your magic.
Holy sh-t. That slug is amazing. It actually worked flawlessly once the load was right.
This is the best slug video yet! I love to see the results of such highly engineered projectiles.
Pretty nice results! It is a cleverly adjusted compromise between an armor-piercing and an expanding projectile. But still, I would love to see a diabolo-shaped or fin-stabilized version of this slug, so that it could potentially be loaded hot enough for its penetrator to effectively go through the AR500 plate.
Those look so great loaded up that I'd feel bad using them.
Phenomenal slug. The gel shot is insane. The craftsmanship is just beyond crazy on this one. And great work fixing the loads mid-shooting!
thanks
Excellent field recovery! That goes to experience and brains…
thanks
Thanks Guys!!! Have a great weekend everybody!!
No u
thank you!
Beautiful looking slugs, can't wait to see how well they work.
Huh I was imagining something like this ever since seeing the impressive performance of the 'Mach-71' and the 9mm Interceptor. Combining the best of both because "What's overmatch anyways?"
"Is this hollowpoint or armorpiercing?"
-"Yes."
"Is this hollowpoint or armorpiercing?"
-"Yes."
After, like, 7 years… new fave Taofledermaus video. This one is a classic! Well done Jeff and Gregg!
thanks!
That gel block expansion and fragmentation was scary cool. Devastating damage with lots of mass to tear a soft target apart.
Great field expedient surgery to correct your mistake; I love this channel! Thanks guys!
thanks Ray
IT'S similar to a servo round,the center of that particular slug penetrating further into the target.
In the UK a welsh penetrator is better know as a sheep botherer.😂
Green surgery job impressed with the rounds.
The amount of time and craftsmanship that went into these is insane.. The amount of time and craftsmanship that went into these is insane..
When you do something for so long... you know your measurements! And as always your wit, never fails to crack me up!
You can see the steel core in the slow mo. Back left. I rewinded it and looked. Super cool
Those are amazing I'd buy 50 right now. I'm a hand loader and hobby shooter. Love all self made loads these are the best I've seen so far
First half of video "this round sucks" second half after altering powder charge " wow, that's one impressive round".
Wow thanks Jeff for making those adjustments on site they did great after that 10/10 for the round and the channel
That gel block needs to be saved forever. Make it a bar table. It's beautiful!!! 🎉
22:38 great effect on the gel, as an added bonus the wound will show you exactly where the shot came from, arrow and all 😂
Once you got it right it was really right. I’d like to see some more shots done with it. Super cool looking round that’s for sure 👍🏻
Nice save, and an example of why I leave all of this to the professionals so I can watch & enjoy :)
Impressive slug. That wound track through the gel is gnarly!
Welsh bowmen were the best and most feared archers in the Medieval period. They are so good that they sent an arrow from Wales over to you and you didn't know till it hit you in the States.
This has been one of the most interesting videos on YT today and some round, once the powder level was corrected. Amazing response of the slugs with that power difference. Nice one. Cheers!
thanks!
When you said 40 gs of long shot powder I actually had to rewind and hear it again, I thought Wow that’s crazy. I load keydrive slugs with 30 gs of long shot and that’s the limit for me with good stability and accuracy. Great video guys!!!
I think I got a bad batch of FS12 gas seals. At 12:45 you can see how torn up it is even with the lower powder load. Never had this problem before even with heavier, higher pressure loads. I've used 60 grains of Longshot with a 7/8 oz slug before.
This channel is my all time favorite to watch. Me and my dad will sit and watch with coffee when I visit him. We both get so many laughs and entertainment. It replaced our California gold episodes with good Ol Huell Howsner. This is the new California gold.
RIP Danny
Huell was a great guy, loved watching those shows.
Ossifer Greg has a dirty mind. He's the king of the double entendre.
I like how you include the Rockwell hardness. I am an inspector and I'm also certified in Rockwell hardness testing so little details like that definitely give me a better idea of the hardness of the metal.
What a slug! good work with your in the field powder reduction Jeff
The Gel Block Test you can clearly see the 2 petals on the bottom side of the Block pop out one at a time but still close together that's why the arrow shaped wound chanel 4 petals of metal and then Hardened Core going all the way out the Back.💀