It's ALMOST Perfect, BUT... MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WiFi
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- The MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WiFi is an amazing budget B650 motherboard, if not for the fact that much cheaper B650 motherboards exists. The MSI B650 Tomahawk specs are all well and good, however, with its current price, it does have some competition from other companies. Despite that, if you want a good MSI B650 motherboard, then this is one of the best ones!
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As someone who actually owns a 7950X3D and a 4090, paired with the B650 Tomahawk, I can say it's an absolute beast and will give everything you'd expect out of a current top end system, there really is no need to go higher unless you REAAAALLLLY want that PCIe gen 5 upgrade path, which is definitely a want, not a need lol.
I do actually also run it with 3 M.2s, 3 FireCuda 530s, a 4TB, 2TB and 1TB, it handles the full speed of them so idk why this wouldn't be a thing. Why overspend on the board when this is capable of all the best anyway? They don't cut out lanes at all, the first 2 M.2 slots run direct to CPU and the 3rd is shared with the SECOND PCIe slot and runs through the chipset. The 1st and 2nd slot are not affecting the GPU at all. I experienced no performance change or change in benchmark results of any kind upon adding the 3rd M.2, which proves this.
What about ram? I want to use 2x16 or 2x32 6000Mt/s with tuned timings to 30 or 28. I've found a good deal for this mobo( at least 25% cheaper than anything else with spdif ), but I see a lot of older posts with problems so I'am hesitant.
I have a 7950x3d with a 7900xtx I just still have to figure how to undervold the cpu that’s it
Either than that motherboard on steroids
Did you buy it on Newegg or Amazon?
Did you have to flash the bios of your motherboard to use the CPU?? I want to get a 7959x3d, 4090 and the B650 tawmahawk, but I've heard you need to flash the bios. This would be my first time building a pc and I don't really know what it is or how to do it, and I'd rather not go through the stress. Can you help?
I think you forgot to mention the optical audio output, which is what set this one apart for me over the ASUS TUF or the Aorus.
in a good way or bad way?
@@sparkzzy889 In a good way
@@FrederikSeerupNielsenoptical for me it required. My speaker setup uses that.
Agreed - it is a gamechanger if you use SPDIF connections. The previous B450 I owned didn't have one and I had to Jimmyrig with HDMI splitter to SPDIF - which was a pain.
this is the only reason why I bought this over the other
The sound codec itself is a win situation to buy among B650 mobo
What do you mean? Audio codec is good on this one? How come? I'm quite new to this stuff
@@VT19112 it uses ALC4080, which is among the highest tier in the alc sound codecs. Heard theres been some issues when using the headphone jacks, such as static interference. Nevertheless, probably not gonna make a difference in quality if you use usb headphones or an external DAC/amp
The audio rear of the tomahawk b650 is DOGSHIT. Its all over reddit. My sound is extreme muffled and for gaming its terrible. I wish i stayed with my 13600k
@@Aaron_of_Arnor You can always pick up a DAC/Amp for your headphones/speakers. A qudelix 5k is an option, but I just use that on the go. At my desk I use the JDS Labs Atom DAC & Amp.
@@somedude732 is the basic b650 gaming wifi mobo good ??
Getting a 7600x and looking at this MB this video helped thx mate!
Now at $199.99 this board is what I'm going to build on. Thought about the gaming plus wifi by MSI, but for $20 extra, this seems like the better and safer option.
140 now at Best Buy
Very nice video man! I've made my decision, this mobo is a great sweet spot right now, especially with prices dropping gradually.
As I'm satisfied with the B550 build I have I'm just looking for info for a build, as someone at work asked me due to "knowing shit" and this is the MoBo I saw at a decent enough price range in Sweden to allow for more memory/bigger SSD/better graphics card...you all know the drill of picking and choosing, this seems like a good "moverbord" that'll easily keep him happy for years, so, Cheers mate!
I LOVE getting scalped directly by the company I buy from
I like B650 and this board. I previously had X570-based motherboard that had two M.2 slots. I had to use an adapter card to get 3rd slot. I have a sound card on x1 slot, but now I lost two of the 4 sata ports. With this board I don't need adapter card for three M.2 drives, I have full 6 sata slots. I haven't installed sound card yet, but apparently it won't change things.
I am having so many problems with the boards. I had two. Both of them had problems. But worst thing is the startup time, zzz zzz, and memory recognition.
Just did a build with the B650 tomahawk mag Wi-Fi , 7700, 4080….just wow…. Coming from a 3700 X and a 2070 super
How long are the boot times?
@@binodynamicthe latest bios update fixed it
I was just looking to buy this motherboard but I wasn't sure was it good. This video helped me a lot👍
I´m a noob and want to build my first PC with 7950x3d and RX7900xtx and wonder what Motherbord to get... ASUS TUF Gaming B650-PLUS WIFI vs. MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WIFI
Both are good, just depends what you personally need from a motherboard.
the asus tuf one has minimal usb A's (6) and 4 of them are usb type 2. i was going to get the asus tuf but a changed my mind when i saw the usb type A situation
im getting a 7800x3d cpu and have trauma from b450 tomahawk (had a horrible time with it). it looks like this board has ironed out all those issues so im willing to give it a chance. this board is currently on sale for cheaper than the gigabyte board you showed, would you recommend getting the tomahawk?
I got my brand new Tomahawk right now 😁😁😁 . Oh man, I'm so happy with it, so happy. And this thing feels sturdy, realy heavy, no plastic chunk build in. What's also fantastic is the BIOS Flash port outside on the IO Panel, makes life much much easier. I had already owned MSI's predecessor, the MSI Tomahawk X570 and I was more than happy wiith it 👍.
Nicely done.
Ive been looking to go with a B650 Carbon Wifi, but its been rather difficult to find one priced at its original cost, and even then $329 is a crazy cost to consider over this.
This one is my second pick. The only reason the Carbon is my first is honestly the aesthetic... but that cost is nuts. Both these boards have exactly what i want, so would you say that the Tomahawk is a better buy ($199 near me) right now over the Carbon, even if i sacrifice aesthetic?
I just can't decide which motherboard to take, everyone has an unique opinion on it and they're all different... Reliability-wise(tests,statistics,review) and feature-wise, which B650 and X670E motherboard would you recommend to someone who simply wants an adequate motherboard that will last a long time and is actually futureproof? What I mean by that is, I'd like to get my money's worth, and that would mean minimum 10 years, because right now I still have an i5 4460 and a Asrock z97 pro4 and they served me extremely well for 8 very busy years, however, that setup cost HALF of what the next one will cost, times were different, but now? If they're gonna take so much money from me, I demand 10 years of service from these components, which motherboard do you think can live up to those demands? Except the high-end ones, of course, my wallet is not interested in those
I'm in the exact same situation as you and choosing the right motherboard has been a nightmare. I was thinking of picking up a cheap one in case I need to replace it in future but even the cheap ones with basic features are $200+ while my 10 year old high end motherboard costed me $150
@@NightcoreSAMA1 its almost impossible I feel your pain!
I feel you as a beginner 🥲 it's the same for brands , I don't know which ones are good because each opinions are different, the only thing I understood was to avoid Asus
Sorry guys I didn't see the replies, after a ton of research I decided to find the best cheapest X670, cuz mid range is poor value, and high end is not even an option, I'll take the same approach with a GPU likely, maybe even RAM and case, Giving 150 bucks for a case was fine with me until now, but now I'll settle for s 70dollar case and non rgb EVERYTHING, because buying a nice reliable pc is apparently a pipe dream, it cant be done. I'll rather gsmble on cheaper parts and have it last 3-5 years than to go balls to the wall with the budget, I'll save roughly 30%of the budget that way, put it towards a future rig in 5 years, its a smart thing to do
I'm running the B650 with a 7950X3D, 4090, 3 FireCuda 530 M.2s, 5600MHz DDR5, haven't noticed ANYTHING about the board limit the system in any way. Everything stays nice and cool on the board side too, VRMs sitting at a nice 42-48C at all times
What's the "BUT" now?
tbh i find usb 2.0 better, its almost holding me back from goign with this if i go for a 7800x3d. i find having wireless stuff for headsets etc act up from time to time either by failing to refgister that its connected when waking up the pc or not detecting them at all after a reboot.
I’m building a pc with this motherboard. So I can run 3 nvme drives without taking lanes away from the gpu?
I was targeting this AM5 MSI Tomahawk since the AM4 version got rave reviews. The price is so high, do you have other brands recommendation? Like Gigabyte etc
Apparently not
Im stuck between the ASUS TUF Gaming B650-PLUS WIFI or chosing the MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WIFI. What's the difference and is it worth the money?
The Tomahawk is a 20-50 dollar more expensive than the ASUS TUF GAMING B650 motherboard but I heard some people had some ram issues with it or other issues.
What do the experts in the comment section recommend? Cuz im not gonna upgrade the PC until it hits 7 years old of age.
same. I´m a noob and want to build my first PC with 7950x3d and RX7900xtx and wonder what Motherbord to get
@@MIMCKMediayou really need a Ryzen 9 or are you just looking to burn money?
i have exatly the same problem 😢
wich one did you chose?
The MSI has 6 SATA, ALC 4080 and Realtek LAN. 2 USB2, 7 USB3 and 1 USB-C. It also has Optical Audio out. The ASUS has ALC 1200 (nominally worse than the MSI but in practice no difference and less chances of problems!) Realtek or MT Wifi, only 2 USB3 but therefore it has 2 USB-C (one with 20GBps). On Paper the MSI is more compelling. I would get the MSI and in case you run into problems, consider switching to the ASUS. Asus also has the ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming. That board has more goodies. It has the same ALC 4080 as the Tomahawk (might run into problems) and it has Intel Lan, which ASUS uses for its higher priced boards. Some people say that the Intel Lan is prone to causing problems.
How do you feel about the fact it has no PCIe 5.0 support? I assume a lot of people that invest into a 'more' expensive B650 bord (and AM5 in general) choose that path because of several years of platform support. Wouldn't it be smart to get a motherbord that supports (future) PCIe 5.0, like for instance the ASUS TUF Gaming B650-PLUS WIFI, which costs the same.
pcie for either m.2 and pcie is pretty useless for most people tbh. its an obvious cash grab for tech that is not out yet. even when m.2 pcie 5 it will be prolly 700 for 1 tb of it lol trust me it wont matter for another 2-3 years
Pcie 5.0 SSDs dont deliver a huge perf difference compared to 4.0 ones. Just like 4.0 over 3.0. Unless you are constantly moving terrabytes of files from A to B, theres not a big advantage. And Pcie 5.0 for the GPU will approxamatly only be relevant in 2024 (1-2% margin like 4.0. vs 3.0 on 4090 now), maybe a bit more in 2026. But its not worth it to spend like 100$ more for a feature of the future, that has almost no perf impact anyway.
There´s any PCIE 5.0 cards currently in the market and wont be for a long time bro ....
which one would you buy between the MSI B650m mortar wifi and the ASUSa B650m plus wifi? the MSI one is actually cheaper in my country. the AORUS ones are way more expensive here idk why
These are the options I’m weighing as well
You'll get more features with the MSI B650M mortar than the ASUS. Aorus B650M Pro AX (IMO) is better than both of those options (the only downside is HDMI 2.0 versus 2.1 on the other two).
It is currently listed in my country for 150 euros, almost brand new, do you think I should go for it?
yes.
I can tell right away that they are better than the B450 Tomahawk non-"Max" on AM4. I think the MOSFETs failed on my B450 Tomahawk! :(
Building a system for a friend, we use this board and planned on putting in 2 NVME M.2 SSDs in there. As this already contains one Wifi card, in it, to I have to worry about cutting bandwidth from the GPU ?
No first two slots don't effect GPU and are full speed to the CPU the third slot is a smidge slower through the chipset.
Quick question about the audio ports in the back. I have a sennheiser pc38x and was wondering if I connect the audio jacks for it in the mic in and line out ports or the line in and line out ports? I plan on getting this motherboard for my build.
Oh man, i spent so much more money on my AMD upgrade :/
Next time i wont upgrade in the first 2 months..
Wait, will this motherboard cut the speed of the main PCI-E 4.0 x 16 slot, when all 3 m.2 slots are occupied? I could not find this in their spec sheet (i know in this video the aorus spec sheet is referenced)
I wondered about this too, because I use all 3...
@@koendekortdk2198 if you download cpu-z or gpu-z you should be able to confirm whether your PCI-E is still running at x16. It would be great if you could also share your findings here.
@@CaptBadLad where at cpu-z do i see it?
It shouldn't. Two M.2 slots are connected directly to the CPU, as is the PCI-E 4.0 x16 slot. The third M.2 is connected through the chipset.
@@keppycs
who is better b650 tomahawk or b650 tuf ?
asus tuf only has like 6 usb ports and 4 of them are usb gen 2. you should also stay away from the gb aorus elite since it has loud coild whine. hope this helped :)
same boat.. but i got black friday price protection
got this board for 190 and a 7600x for 220 :)
How tf?
How is the board ? Can you please give an update ? How's the boot times ? Did you enable EXPO and PBO ?
HELP. Which is better motherboard? ASUS TUF GAMING B650M PLUS WIFI or MSI MAG B650 MORTAR WIFI?
mortar wifi
Can anyone explain to me the extra audio slots on the side of the board?
How accessible are the SATA ports, if using a larger GPU?
You have both the standard 4 90 degree ports, but also 2 that come out straight from the motherboard at the bottom of the board, so you have options if the graphics card can get in the way.
@@avrona Awesome, thanks! I was looking at this board as your video dropped. Perfect timing!
Im looking for a case for it that fits. I found a NZXT H5 .
Corsair 4000
Nice video
does anyone have USB disconnect issue on this board?
i got mine for 180 put a 5700x and a 6700xt 1440p beast
what better for perf/durability a I7 13700k or r9 7900x
if you mostly do gaming, Ryzen are a better choice due platform longevity and price-performance ratio. But for overall heavy duty workloads that requires multiple threads, the i7 beats the ryzen 7000s. Even the 13600K is an amazing choice in productivity+gaming. But if you're only gaming, Ryzen 7000s are the way to go. Mind that AM5 and DDR5 prices are high now, but they have been steadily dropping to a reasonable value, so if you can wait until January, AM5 will be even more better deal.
@@felipesantos1264 How big of a difference in workload? Is it a major increase like 20-25% or more?
$260.00 for this is crazy.
I mean the x570s tomahawk wifi was the same price, and no one complained the same features and all. Plus this having ddr5 support as well as a new socket, you cant really complain.
@@Courage-vp7bf well, this is a b650, a mid range motherboard, not a 670, you also need ddr5 which is also expensive af, remember that most Ryzen users will have to upgrade more than just the cpu
@@leo-13804haha ddr5 isnt expensive
Got it for 200 hundo the other day what you talking bout Willis
The motherboard requires a 2x8 pin connection for the CPU. I'm asking because many motherboards work with a single 8pin. Can this motherboard also work with a single 8pin? If it is not, I'll get the gigabyte version that works with a single 8 pin.
Yes it will work with a single one as well.
@@avrona Thanks
Any board is perfect xD
the elite ax board has such a crappy lame audio that even gigabyte don't say in their site which codec it uses. Because it's total GARBAGE. And they as 230 us$ for that?
@blue-lu3izthe asrock pg riptide wifi also comes with 8 layer pcb and more reliable than gigabyte I think.
@blue-lu3iz But is it worth it ? Because 6000mhz is the sweet spot now. When more Ram OC comes into play it won't even be worth it rather than changing the board I guess.
gigabyte mobos have only 4xSATA
How many people need more?
I hate the Gigabyte Bios XD
ok
I love what this board has to offer, but..
6 layer PCB and no PCIe Gen 5 support.
Still a very good motherboard.
Istg it's not even a big thing to consider. See current gen gpus can also work on the gen3 pcie with 5-10% less performance but still pretty solid. I'm guessing the next gen would be the same. anyways I'm getting this motherboard and hoping that it delivers for the next 5-6 years until my next build
@@AmirEpix Did you get this board ? How is it ?
@@ninjasamal664i have one since 1 years its good 👍
I got it an it works awful on Linux.
Could you tell any details what's not working? Thanks!
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Other boards don't have storage options as this one... And it's sad to see only 4 sata ports on most others 6 is minimum for me!
Why would you ever need to use 6? One is good enough lol not to mention terabyte
@@markoostojic6263dude still uses 512mb storages perhaps 💀
@@markoostojic6263You're not the only person who's living in this world, different people have different needs 😂
Yeah....im not paying more than $150 for a motherboard. This aint north korea lmao.....