Why Gamers Aren't Upgrading Their GPUs & How OLD Cards Defy Longevity Expectations
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2024
- Unlock the secrets behind why gamers are holding onto their old GPUs longer than ever before in this eye-opening video. Join us as we delve into the world of PC hardware, exploring the surprising longevity and performance of graphics cards from years past. From the iconic GTX 1080 Ti to mid-range marvels like the GTX 1060 and RX 580, discover how these aging GPUs are still delivering playable experiences in today's demanding games. We'll discuss the evolution of graphics technology, the impact of features like upscaling and frame generation, and why modern game design is shifting towards compatibility with older hardware. Join the conversation and rethink your approach to GPU upgrades in this thought-provoking analysis of the PC hardware landscape.
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Um... Am I the only that doesn't upgrade just because GPUs are stupidly expensive now and you pay a lot of money for very little in return?
Nop u are not the only one 2000 was meh 3000 was omg I want it but price 😢 and low ram 4000 is 🥵 but price 😢 so we w8 until gtx is dead
If you want to achieve a specific frame rate or change resolutions it makes a lot of sense to upgrade. Not gonna argue the expensive part :)
@@Dlo_BestLife try but let me ask you this has ther bean a game that you love but camt play ? Like wicher 3 😂 I sometimes feel meh u know
Nope. It’s gonna be a WHILE before my 4070ti is going to be replaced
That's not being a good Consoomer!
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My main reason to not upgrade is just the fact that i dont see modern AAAs worth playing i often just find myself replaying older titles which my current gpu can handle pretty well.
Same. With so much bland, uninspired woke schlock, it's getting harder and harder to justify PC upgrades.
😂 this is failed thinking. This year games are mainly next gen only.
This. The games are all woke garbage these days. No point in playing any of them. The few games that aren't total garbage and filled with woke cancer usually run fine on the GPU I have. (RTX 2070 Super).
Yup, I bought the mass effect trilogy at Xmas on sale. Working thru that at the moment. A witcher 3 Ng+ play after that and then maybe a final Skyrim playthrough with plenty of visual mods(I recently upgraded to a rx5700xt)
If I can't run new Witcher when it comes out I'll upgrade then
The real reason?
PC Price went from $1500 to $2500 in 4 years.
$1500 still gets you an amazing system. Something like an 7800x3d and rx7800xt, probably even better.
I built a very good pc, myself, for 1400cad 2 christmas back. Still going strong.
I wanna buy a 7800xt soon and i will he good for atleast 7 more years.
And wages have not increased that much over the past decade!
I used to work summers and buy a medium to high end rig, now I have a full time job and just a gpu of similar performance cost as much as the whole rig would have 10 years ago, that's why I still have a gtx 1070
PCs havent gone up in price......Your dollar is worth LESS , you can buy less now...........fjb
Considering graphics are 10% better but somehow need 200% extra GPU power I'm going to stick to medium settings.
To be honest it's not really a GPU issue because game companies plan it together to make people upgrade because if games were properly optimize you easily still be able to run any game on max settings with 1070 for example but game's aren't properly optimize because if they were they' would sell less GPUs etc
Graphics have definitely gotten much more detailed. You notice when you go to an old game after getting used to newer ones
@@stebo5562 Yes but each new details is exponentially harder to render, each faked tricks used by oldgen games replaced by more detailed or raytracing alternatives are more GPU intensive yet the result is essentially the same to the casual eye. And the additional details might not even be welcome and only hurt the artstyle or gamedesign.
Yup, look at star wars battlefront. Runs better and looks better than helldiver's 2
You right.
But I am fine with those improvement in graphics fidelity, it offers us some newer games we can choose or leave it.
There are still many popular games which don't build their success on most advanced stunning graphics but rather stability, playability, fun and so on. I found such 2 of them probably couple of years ago fitting my preferences and also. each of them offers different basic approach to making teams and play itself.
(sorry, I repeat what you told here).
I noticed improvements in graphics in my favourite games too. While one (Drakensang online, playing it since 2012) was not much sharp looking 1080p game running in its DX9 own web client and crashing alot, now its sharp, detailed game, which only from. Time to time gets some ugly DDoS attack and lags or goes down on server side. But improvements are even on UI side and new stuff in comes.
My other favourite game is World of warships (Multiplayer naval tactical action, strongly competitive, but you can play also exclusively against bots only too). Its DX11 and it was running fine at mix low - high 1440p even ony prev GTX1050. But surely VRAM matters and I upgraded for that. Just 6650xt having 1,5y and its fine.
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(WoWs)
Also ingame graphics improved during last years so whats now low details was previously around high settings.
If I would get some newer game it would be either Deus Ex Mankind Divided or Terminator Resistance, both have single player campaigns. But pretty busy with both online favourite ones, lol.
the main reason i am holding on to aging hardware (literally running it until it dies) is because i am poor AF on top of everything getting a price hike with each new release
Foreal. I upgraded from an i72600k and HD 7870. To a 1900f and 1660ti. I the upgraded last year to a 10900f and 6800xt. I'm done.
This take makes sense to me if you just dont have the money.
@@Dlo_BestLife and there are increasing numbers of people who fit into this category. Prices are going up but wages aren't. We're living in a new Gilded Age, people... for every rich person there are a hundred poor, so that they may hoard the wealth.
I think this (broke ppl) is the real reason that the RX 580 has such good numbers on Steam. Because it's recently become a "budget" (
I feel ya. Was on a 3770k & 760GTX for the longest. Current machine is a used workstation with a refurb card. No way I'd buy new (esp nvidia) unless the vid card was makin bank. Scanner and printer are at least a decade old. But with the weird new subscription stuff companies are going with they really would have to take them from my cold dead hands.
get a job and your life back
There is an article on Eurogamer that states that games older than 6 years account for 60% of play time.
if one looks at PC only, its even more than that.
That's because people don't wanna work these days, unemployment my man
The most recent game I played was Red Dead Online and I did not see any newer games with better graphics, even Cyberbug 2077.
@@greg8909 Cyberpunk 2077 graphics are WAY ahead of red dead redemption 2
This is true for me. Most of my installed PC library is from the previous decade or earlier (with a few awesome exceptions) and on the console side, I bought a Series X specifically because of the backwards compatibility program.
I buy a new PC every 10 year, because only after 10 year I will see the new PC speed and capacity can be at least doubled or more on every benchmark.
This is the way
Well it’s going to be far more than double, you can double on performance easily every 5 years or less.
Hence I'm still running a 2600K over clocked to 4.5Ghz and a 1080 ti, runs fine on everything at 1080P, 2k, 4k is over rated IMO
My GTX 1070 OC (8GB) still holds on.
Can't turn on all the new reflections and shinny things, but still gives me decent frames in modern games.
I also have 1070, not even OC and in 1080p still runs most games on high settings 60+fps or a mix of medium/high. I'm fine with that.
The Pascal architecture was really good I'm still on a 1080 that a bought a few years ago for 200 bucks but I saw some 1080ti at 200-250 it's really a great deal for someone who wants a cheap gpu.
@@greg8909 replaced a 1080ti when the 6950xt was selling for $599, we had epic GPU deals on RDNA2 last year for many months .... 6800XT was selling bellow $500 , 6950XT is like double the performance in 1440p for me so it was well worth.
I got a gtx1080 since it came out and i can run everything decently on 3440x1440. Not on high settings ofcourse, about mid settings. Games still look good at those settings. I did however upgrade my cpu to 7800x3d this year, but there isnt much difference compared to 6850k. Loading times are a bit faster and maybe 10fps more at best.
My 2060 is doing fine, and I dont have plans to change it since most of the games I play are old
When it comes to big AAA titles, there is hardly anything worth playing these days, so no need for better hardware.
You don't even get to own AAA titles--they "sell" them to you on Steam than take them away from you when the community is't spending enough on microtransactions. The best games still are the ones you have the solid media for.
I disagree. Can give you 30+ games that are amazing on my ps5 alone.
@@devinpledger2251list them please
@@devinpledger2251For you its amazing. For us its not. I was thinking heavily and ordered an RTX3050 6GB version. Also got a Series S. Why? Because i looked up on my steam library and the newest game i play is Insurgency:Sandstorm. I'm not interested in modern bs. Starfield with its "They/Them" pronounce etc. Newest game i finished was the Dead Island 2 on the Xbox. I had no problem with performance there
@@patriktoth6258 I got 2 gaming pcs 2 ps5s and 2 switches what was your point you were trying to make? XD. I also got a 4080 super gpu bought for over 1,000 dollars 2 months ago dont assume things then flex a weak pc.
Only cause there is no price competition..
Competition is coming, slow but catching up, and form the other side of the ocean. Just like the 80s.
I can confirm my Vega 56 is still somehow pulling along just fine
I couldn't stand my vega 56 because of how terrible It whined
@coulsenbailey3829 It really is luck of the draw.
I used to have a GTX 960 that was so whiny it drowned out the monitor audio.
And an Athlon 3000G fan that basically came with a free rodent orchestra the way it "REEEEEEE"d every active second.
I've had more powerful cards and fans that were fine.
@@coulsenbailey3829 sorry to hear that, mine has been really good to me.
Him ram baby
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Single most impactful cause is price. GPUs since 2020 have been valued at over double what they are actually worth.
Buy used. Know the pitfalls. Get deals.
Double? Have you compared fps/$? I did and they are worth the dollar. I wish they were overpriced but they are not. FE were real bargain.
To you maybe. But who are you deciding if it is worth it or not.
Just pay up, or else forget it.
The price to performance increase per generation has decreased greatly over time. I’m not even counting pascal cards as their performance increase was an outlier. But from 2080 to 3080/90 the performance increase DID NOT match the price increase & even less so for the 30 to 40 series. This is not to say they didn’t increase the performance but it is not arguable that generational improvements of cpu/gpu have stagnated greatly while the prices have increased greatly
@@ahiwalter9153 Be glad you even get a new next generation card at any price.
They don`t owe you anything.
I think the kind off performance you get these days is simply insane.
And who says it should match anything......it`s just in your head.
It really isn’t insane lol…maybe if you’re talking a 3090 to 4090 upgrade but that’s a $2,000 gpu so it’s to be expected. Any other segment of the 40 series cards are pretty minor increases while still charging $600 for a 8gb card lol & the lukewarm sales are evident that this generation had one compelling option for people looking to upgrade. BYou really need to do more research or cause your statements are wildly incorrect.
I think part of it too is that the average buyer has gotten wise to the "stack shifting" scheme we've seen with the last few generations, and are content with waiting longer for those full ~80% generational jumps within their chosen price bracket. They can fudge the labeling all they want, but $1000+ cards have no place within the normal consumer lineup and shouldn't even be on the radar for most people.
I have had a 5700xt, which is basically a slightly better 1080ti, at least for more recent games, for almost 4 years now and I am not planning to upgrade anytime soon. It still plays 1080p perfectly.
I remember putting that GPU in my nephews qhd 120hz rig.
Great card for the price but it's showing its age now.
Rx5700 isn't bad. Got it for an upgrade for a gaming rig I found in a pawn shop. Works pretty well
EVGA 2070 Super here. Still going strong at 1440p.
If the 2070 Super had 12 GB or more of VRAM (almost nothing did at the time), it would still be a great GPU. Even with 8GB, it's still very good. Mine gets used regularly with a Ryzen 5 5600 for photo editing.
@@rangersmith4652 mines one of the best performing 2070 super ever tested on 3dmark. Holds several records lol. I got lucky and got a very overclockable card
Also a 2070s user. I am gonna upgrade with 5000 series but I still love my 2070s.
I had a ASUS Strix 2080 Super.
Due to the vram of 8gb.
I upgraded to a new ASUS TUF 4070 for 400 dollars USD/ 600 Dollars CAD.
same with a 1080ti
I bought my 1080Ti a few weeks after launch, and it's going strong today. It's no longer in my main gaming PC, or even my secondary. It's in the machine I daily drive -- the one I'm using right now.
Proud owner of gtx 1060 6gb. 🤗
Long live my R9 390/spaceheater.
I run an R290 until 2021. I got a deal on an R580 or I'd have run it a couple more years.
The R9 390 is nowhere near as power hungry as the new high end GPUs. 275W used to be a lot, not so much nowadays.
can you get yours working well on linux? i had to give it up
Dunno about highebd cards but 7800xt runs faster underclocked than stock an takes 80-180w from the wall depending of the game ofc. At stock it takes 220-280. No idea why they are sold on arrow to the knee mode.
@@colto2312its worth upgrading to a polaris card, its $50 for +100% perf and works well on Linux been at it as a daily for ~2 years. Only thing I couldn't get to work is opencl GPU computing.
I'm on an RTX 3090, but I still keep my GTX 1080 Ti Founders Edition as a backup. You never know when those power hungry bricks will give up the ghost with their insane power peaks that can go up to 600W or beyond. I've already had to change TWO PCIE-E power cables due to partially melted connectors. I can only guess it's due to these intermittent power peaks that happen for milliseconds and saturate the capacity of the wires, which in turn melts the plastic around them. Now I only run my RTX 3090 undervolted. Nvidia should really revise the power consumption and delivery on their newer high-end graphics cards.
Have you undervolted?
@@CuttinInIdaho Yes, I undervolted it after the cables started melting at the connectors, lol. BTW, I have never overvolted the card.
@@bgtubberThe 3090 is still a beast. I sold my 3090 Asus Strix and 3080 EVGA FTW3 Ultra 12gb. Those things pulled far to much power it was insane. Along with not having the performance anymore to make it reasonable to me. I upgraded to an Asus 4090 Asus Strix white and a 4070 Super FE.
My 3080 finally died after years of overheating and power spikes.
@@mikeclarke3990 Oof. :(
I’m fine with graphics the way they are. I just want games to run right on release and compiling shaders at the start of the game. Speaking of Elden ring, yesterday it started randomly freezing for a second then fast forwarding to catch up…
Yup dont care if it compiles them 10 minutes long as the game runs smooth.
I played both uncharted and the last of us part 1 I let compile shaders but the games still stutter frequently even after beating them a couple of time and I have an 8gb gpu so it wasn't vram , elden ring didn't stutter for me anymore after the first 5 hours
@@purehollow4460 my issue turned out to be the controller driver. It would quickly disconnect and reconnect causing the game to freeze.
Yea :) I agree with this all the way.
Still running my GTX970. The 4gb Vram is starting to become an issue in many new games, good thing there's still plenty of good old games and optimized new ones that it can run well.
Was going to upgrade for Starfield, glad I didn't.
A GTX 970 doesn't have 4GB of VRAM. It has 3.5GB of VRAM. It's why I went with the R9 390 back in 2016. It was $300 and had 8GB of VRAM and the GTX 970 Ti FTW was well over $300 and it only had 3.5GB of VRAM. The R9 390 was a much better deal. Paired it with a i7 6700 and 16GB of RAM. Doom 2016 ran super smooth and looked amazing.
Funny that Starfield is actually playable on 960, yes, it look shit, extremely buggy and yes its boring, but none the less it does work.
@@Saviliana it is? I wasn't aware. That is good to know.
@@wulfone5961 I fell for the shitty Nvidia marketing it seems.
It actually does have 4gb of vram, as it says everywhere, but the last 512 of those are significantly slower making it in effect a 3.5gb card.
WTF Nvidia?!?
Reasons to avoid them in the future, I guess. A friend of mine fell for their 3050 6gb as well.
@@LarsaXL The thing is, I had run starfield with the game's included DLSS option, it shouldn't be working but it did work and given me some 25-40 fps most of the time. Stuttering lags around some parts that required assets loads are expected, but so far I only find that sound files were the issues. The rest of the game runs perfectly fine.
Last year I updated from an RX 580 to a RX 6700 XT. I do not regret the upgrade, but so far I havent played a lot of the new shiny, demanding titles even when my card can perfectly run those games at 60+ fps. I still keep playing TL2, MH World, MH Rise, Genshin Impact and Halo MCC. Tbh, outside of a few new titles like Helldivers 2, i'm not interested on the latest and greatest, at least not at the absurd pricepoint the are tying to sell us ($70.00 for an usually incomplete game is outrageous!).
Recently built a PC after using a laptop/console for years...went for a 5600 paired with a 6750 XT and I think it's great so far! Best you can get for £300 in my opinion.
this is honestly why i haven't upgraded. the games i play are still good on my rx580. even Elden Ring lol
Back in the days going from a Radeon HD 4870 to a HD 5870 was an uplift of 90%.
And that in a year.
I had the HD 4870 and saw the performance of the HD 5870, i had to buy.
These days it doesn't really get much better.
You can do 6-8 years with a gpu, if you buy the best one.
But nowadays i just buy mid class and use it for 4 - 6 years.
My conspiracy theory is that game developers are intentionally not optimizing their game to force people to buy newer hardware. I wouldn't be surprised if Intel/Nvidia/AMD invest into gaming companies.
That's because major process node jump (65nm/55nm to 40nm). 5870 to 6970 performance jump is like 10 to 15 percent only since both based on the same 40nm process.
@@soniablanche5672that is what max setting/ultra setting is. Some people think when they can't run the ultra setting with good performance then the optimization is shit.
RTX 3090 to RTX 4090 was 70% in 2 years. I see your point.
@@arenzricodexd4409 ultra, high and even some low settings do not make any visual difference besides with more fps, or sometimes not changing fps for good or worse. worst yet, games look the same or worse as older games while running terribly lol.
cyberpunk 2077 is still nvidia's rtx playground and interactive advertisement. poor all intel, amd and nvidia users who do not have the latest top end rtx. forced to eat up that one ~24gb nvidia overdrive update lol.
My RX 480 totally stood the test of time running something like Metro Exodus, Doom Eternal, and DX12 Fortnite. There's room for making these older cards shine brighter if people keep innovating on what game engines are capable of, not on a graphical level by a technical level in rendering smarter graphics to save and use resources as necessary. Here's to hoping my 6600 XT lives as long, especially since I'm now into undervolting.
The rx6600xt is often overlooked but it's a beast of a card for 1080p especially coming from a rx480. I was real happy with my 150usd rx6600xt coming from a 1060 6gb. Good luck hope it last as long as the 480.
I have RX 6900XT, and the RX 480 remains as the reserve
@@MrNota500 I can push for 1440p and even 1728p/1800p with enough given resources on my 6600 XT. I feel like I should of waited on the 7600, but this is doing well enough in letting me play older games I usually play finally at 2160p. Pushing it to 4320p is even crazy when it keeps a solid 60 frames.
As someone who went from RX 590 to 6650XT on the main comp, and RX 480 to 6650XT on 2ndary comp, I feel ya.
Great cards for great price. (Got both of mine on sale, by the by)
I alao jjave a 6600xt. I thought i would be stuck playing on medium setting. I keep pushing it and she ALWAYS deliver. Well, i am not playing the latest game either. But i am running a HEAVY modded fallout 4 with all the 8k HD textures and she is stable AF.
I played FF rebirth recently, all at max. Never stuttered even with mods. I am really satisfied. When i builty PC it was my weakest link. I dont need to, but ad soon as i can get a deal for either a 6800xt or 7800xt, i will jump on it.
If i get a 7800xt, i will start buying pieces to built my next gaming pc around it. But frankly, i am confident i can play for another 4-5 years with my 6600xt.
"future proofing" was a huge PC building trend between 2015 and 2018 or so, and so far it turns out to have been a great decision. a 980ti will still run most games, and the guys who got a 5820k are likely still happily gaming on them.
Future proofing doesn't exist in PC hardware land. There's only best bang for buck. I've owned a 980ti almost a decade ago. And I'm happy Ive moved on to a 1080ti and a 3080. Next will be something 5080. And really a 3080 crushes a 980ti, let alone features like DLSS
@@UmVtCg OK, how much did Nvidia pay you to say this?
@@SoylentGamer There is no such thing as future proof
@@mitsuhh Did neither of you watch the video?
@@SoylentGamer do you know what future proof means?
Rx 6600 user here. Bought it last year at around $200 + shipping and import fees. It has served me faithfully for 1080p, and can even run most stuff well at 1440p, so long as you don't go for Ray Tracing, and min-max your settings. I will stick with it for as long as it lasts me.
Same but xt.
I'm in the same boat. I used to stick with nVidia's GTX *50 stuff (750, 1050, then 1650 was my last before switching over to AMD because the RTX 3050 was so much more expensive than the RX 6600 in my country). The RX 6600 was such a huge upgrade and is the first time I felt like I actually had a gaming PC. I'm also surprised at how efficient it was. I have a kill-a-watt and the consumption of my PC with an RX 6600 was slightly less than the power consumption of my PC with the 1650 at 1080p resolutions (the RX6600 starts consuming way more once we get to higher resolutions and settings, but at that point the 1650 can no longer keep up in terms of performance.)
I've never had a problem with this card.
Fixed rate 90FPS > 120FPS variable rate. The human eye can't distinguish anything over 55 FPS so even 90FPS is overkill and people do it for bragging rights. The excessive cost to get to 4k isn't worth it unless you're video editing--4k is silly for gaming. Honestly if you're a pro gamer you want lower resolution without particle effects regardless of how fast your setup is . A gamer with a 10k computer running 4k with full effects will lose to a gamer with a 1k setup running no particle effects at HD.
@@jasonwaterfalls6145 Have fun missing out! I have an i9 and an RTX 4090! I'm watching tutorials on how to OC my CPU.
@@swallowedinthesea11 Nice. Congrats on the high end PC. Why do you need to OC, though? The i9 and the 4090 will run any game that's out right now at stock speeds without breaking a sweat.
The 3060 is still #1 on Steam. Im rocking my 3060ti im sure another 2 generations at the rate GPU development is progressing.
I’ve been loyal to my 1080 TI for seven years now. I snagged this gem for $650 back in mid-2017. Now, if we leap forward seven years, the equivalent price-to-performance card, the RTX 4080 (non TI) , is hitting the shelves at a whopping $1,000. It’s baffling, really. The audacity of game developers these days is something else-they seem to be living in a bubble if they think the average Joe can just drop $1,400 on a PC setup that struggles to run modern games at 60FPS without resorting to frame generation.
It’s like they expect us to break the bank just to keep up with the latest titles. And let’s not even get started on the cost of a full rig upgrade. With the way prices are skyrocketing, you’d need to take out a second mortgage just to afford a top-tier graphics card. It’s a slap in the face to gamers everywhere. We’re not all made of money, and it’s about time developers and manufacturers realized that. Gaming used to be an accessible hobby, but at this rate, it’s turning into a luxury few can afford.
650 in 2017 is equivalent to 831 today due to inflation, so the prices have increased, just not as much as people believe.
The problem with the inflation argument is that incomes do not keep up with it. We are losing purchasing power constantly. Companies are forced to raise their prices because of the endless money printing, but we, the people, make less and less of that money for ourselves. It's still at least as hard to make a given amount of money today as it was in 2016 or 2012, but the prices are leaps and bounds above what they were back then. And that's in every aspect of our lives, meaning that luxury goods like computer hardware become a much lower priority.
Still running a 1080ti in my boys rig. It does everything he wants/needs and i'll be damned if im paying the inflated greedy prices they are asking for new gpu's at present.
Long live my good'ol RX580... Still playing and keeping my room warm and cozy 😂😂😂
We aren't upgrading because the price is too much, simple as that.
I went from a GTX285 to a 1060 to a 4070ti. That was like over 20 years and the 1060 is still going on strong in a side project linux box.
1080ti with 11gb is a ridiculously powerful card nearly 8 years later. Feels like it came out yesterday
Doubt it. Depending on the game you play, you could be really pushing it to its breaking point.
@@namecannotbeblank8920Your doubt is misplaced.
It's fine for playing even _Star_ _Citizen_ (Alpha, resource-heavy, graphically intense).
If you could add DLSS to that 1080ti it would stretch another 5 years no sweat. And if you lower your standards with newer games to 60fps now the relevance keeps going further and then once again even further if you fine with 30 fps.
A very good analysis, you gained a sub 👍👍👍
My brother inlaw who works at IT is a big believer in saving money by keeping his hardware going for as long as possible even when he can easily be playing with the latest and greatest hardware every year. Currently he is using a 1050 on a few home computers his kids use. Of course when he does upgrade he makes sure it will last a long time like his current hardware.
Right now am using the RTX 2060 since 2019 and it runs everything on ultra and high except for a few of the very latest games where i have it to turn it down to high and medium settings for STARFIELD and CYBERPUNK 2077. I thought i would have issues with the 6gb vram but STARFIELD runs perfectly at 1080p or 1440p.
Thanks for the great commonsense video and happy gaming! ☕
Coming from someone who just upgraded from a 2060 6gb. It runs Starfield on 1440p like mashed potatoes
Been running a 2060S since Spring 2020, still plenty good enough for my uses. The only game I know I can't tweak to acceptable performance is AW2, that game is deigned to run at a locked 30FPS at high on a 2060S so I'll wait until I upgrade in a year or three. When I can't run the latest AAA releases that'll just give me motivation to peruse my astonishingly good backlog. I know cards after Pascal and RDNA went up in price but they do also seem to last longer, I never got more than 3 years out of my 2 previous cards (GTX770 and GTX1060).
@@Lord_Muddbutter Sorry to hear that. I hope the upgrade is bringing the gaming joy. I was fortunate enough to find one of those settings guide on RUclips which gave just the right advice on running STARFIELD so i have been very happy with its performance. Am saving up for a new pc to replace my i7 8700 since i do want to get back to enjoying things at high and ultra when it comes to new games but i have more than enough games in my STEAM and GOG library to not feel like am missing out.
@@77Arcturus More power to you.
Just few weeks ago upgraded gtx1080 to 7800xt.
And 1080 aint done yet.. Still fine for 1080p so goes to girlfriends pc.
1080p is also still the most widely used rez.
Also, you are wrong that "graphics don't matter anymore" - It's the continuingly rising prices and the flat or even falling wages that is the problem.
Nice overall take on the topic, concise. I didn't realize the old generational gains were ~80%. I feel some closure understanding this.
Im still on my GTX 1080 and it just works when games have options like fsr / xess . i can run starfield on 1440p medium at about 60fps with frame gen and it doesnt feel choppy.
I'm running an RX 5700XT, my 13yo daughter an RX 570, and my 9yo daughter an RX 550.
You have 3 PCs in single house?
@@chaz-e No, we have more than 3, but only 4 of them are currently running/used. We had 3 PCs in our house in the 90s when I was a kid growing up so I don't understand your surprise. That was 30 years ago.
My PC is 5 years old and was mid-range when I built it then for a few hundred bucks. My oldest daughter's is running on my previous 12yo 8-core CPU with my previous 7yo GPU. My youngest daughter's rig is running on a 9yo APU that I bought off Ebay for $25, and I'd put in the HP OEM RX 550 GPU that I bought for a couple bucks off Ebay to beef up her graphics a bit. My wife is running a rig that I bought off my little brother for $500 a few years ago with a Ryzen 5 2400 and a GTX 1050ti, I wanted to help him out a bit so I overpaid for it. Then we have the two prebuilts my wife was running previously that are just sitting collecting dust and cobwebs - a dual-core we bought in 2012 and a quad-core we bought in 2017, just little cheap ~$300 jobs. We also have her late father's old Mac Pro just sitting collecting dust, it's only worth ~$200 nowadays. Nobody here is running anything fancy like $2000 gaming rigs. It's all hand-me-downs or built from cheap used parts off Ebay. I have a few misc CPUs and RAM and a motherboard as well ready to be built into another rig if the need arises.
We didn't go out shopping one day and spend thousands of dollars on several brand-new high-end PCs. It's been a slow accumulation of parts over the last 10 years as I've upgraded my rigs and our daughters received hand-me-down parts.
Both my wife and I are self-employed and work from home on our computers so the PCs have paid for themselves many times over. We can't do what we do without them. We want our daughters to be as comfortable with computers as we are, having grown up with them, so we made sure they each had one after a certain age via the hand-me-down chain. When I upgraded my rig our oldest received my existing rig, when I upgraded again, our youngest received her rig, then received my rig, and I always have the newest hardware. There's not a piece of hardware in this house that is younger than 5 years old, and most of it is closer to a decade old.
We're not driving around in Ferraris over here - we're clunking around in 15 year old Hondas with 150k miles on them. Literally.
Got 5700xt year ago used for $120 I don't feel like I need anything stronger than that. If it's an unoptimized game then I will just skip it, rest works great. And older games run beautifully at 4k/60fps or more.
@@Dregomz02 Yeah it still holds up pretty well at 1080p just fine for most things - but then games that only use Mesh Shaders are burnt. I guess Alan Wake 2 released a patch though that improves its performance on GPUs that don't support mesh shaders, which was probably a good idea. The 5700XT is still plenty decent though, even if it doesn't hold a candle to mid-range GPUs of today, like the 4070 SUPER, which is what I've been eyeing for a while in the event that there are enough funds for me to buy one.
I ain’t readin all ahh
pascal architecture really one of the best
My i7-6700k/EVGA 1080Ti Black SC is still running strong, pushing a 34" ultrawide at 1440p. Have i7-12700k/3080Ti and i9-14900k/4090 systems waiting on build, but no hurry. Best to all.
Just got into the PC space again after using console and laptop for years, went for a 6750 XT hoping it should see me right for a while, really enjoying it.
I still use a 1080ti and i7 7700k. My pc still runs as smooth as the day I first booted it up
I have msi 1060 6gb brought 2018 , still does everything i want. Will keep it with me till it last.
My RTX 3080 10gb is doing just fine and will so for many years to come.
Stiil happy on my 1080Ti even at 1440p and still got many older games need to play, will upgrade possibly once the nvidia 5XXX series comes out
My 1060 3gb from 2017 can still run every game I wanted. I'm only getting an upgrade due to my favorite game asking for 4 gb ram minimum thanks to an upcoming update.
I'm still rocking an AMD Radeon Vega 64 Red Devil and so far it's doing a great job at keeping me gaming.
I could not agree more. I‘m still absolutely satisfied with my EVGA 1080ti FTW3, but also my old Intel Z97 Board, Xeon and 32Gigs of DDR3 that every arising impulse to buy something new is skipped immediately when I make myself aware that it would be only for the sake of building a new system and look how it would perform.
Still using my undervolted Vega 56 on a 10th gen i5 for gaming. :)
As someone who only play games at 1080p and isn't concerned with Ray Tracing and FSR or DLSS, I see no point in upgrading my 6600xt.
Cyberpunk 2077 at Max settings comfortably runs at 50-75 fps and with a bit of overclocking, it doesn't drop below 55fps.
Or just turn down some settings to medium and you'll get solid 60+ fps
@@scarfaceReaper can't tell the difference between 55 and 60-70ish
@@benedictjajo Lucky
Here is a concept for Nvidia....make their video cards affordable so people don't have to hold on to their old 'good enough' video card.
then how will Jensen keep himself clothed in leather jackets?
Here is another concept
The price will remain high as long as people keep buying
Stop buying GeForce, get a Radeon or an Arc.
@@scrubscrub4492semi pro people will keep buying nvidia cards. And going forward majority of those buying gaming gpu like geforce or radeon will be those that use it beyond gaming. Even AMD know this hence with 7900XTX they start talking about running professional apps on those GPU. The sales from gamer will shrink.
@@scrubscrub4492 Arc? 🤣🤣
@@clockworklegionaire2135 intel gpus actually have very good price performance, even better than amd. but they are selling them with very little profit margins, i dont think theyll be able to keep it up for very long.
the drivers are a problem too...
I bought a used system straight out of the 2017 timeline last year. Rysen 7 1700x 32G ddr4 ram and i can't forget my very big overclocked evga 1060 6g. I keep getting told to upgrade but im making due.
Thank you, a very useful perspective.
I am considering a Lenovo Thinkstation P520 with Xeon W-2135, 32 or even 64GB of quad channel RAM, and a 2080TI for modern 1080p gaming.
I refuse to upgrade to a GPU that cost more than my car.
heck the RX480 8gb in my i5 4690k second computer is still doing fairly good
I’ve been running a gtx 680 with an i5 3570k. Only recently pulled the trigger and got 7800x3d with a hand me down 1660 super. It does alright I think I can get a new gpu at some point this year or next.
I'm still rocking my GTX 1080Ti EVGA FTW3 😎 gonna upgrade when next gen comes out most likely. Saving up RN :D
Ah yes!, I'm still rock'in an MSI RX580 8G. works for everything I play.
I changed my gtx560 (zotac 2GB) in 2014 to a gtx970 (msi gaming oc), got scammed by vRAM but still used that card a lot. Then in 2022 i went for an rx6750xt (XFX Merc Black) cause the 3070 i wanted only had 8GB of vRAM. Considering i have a card that was close to a 3070 with 2022 drivers and it's now better than a 3070ti in 1080p@144Hz maxed out raster with 2024 drivers (but also only 3% slower than an rx6800 after my oc+uv tweaks): i'm going to skip 1440p and upgrade monitor + gpu to max out 4k@144Hz in the future with rdna6 and cheap oled displays that dont burn in.
tehnically , from High to Max your GPU will notice in usage ( if you use frame limiter ) or framerate , but YOU will barely notice an improvement even if you play the game just for that at that moment
Going from 1998-1999 and looking at what was available just 5 years later, you were going from running a couple 3dfx (R.I.P.) Voodoo 2s in SLI at the high end, to the GeForce 6800 Ultra. Those kinds of massive leaps in such a short span of time have been gone for a while now.
I bought a 1080 5 months before the ti came out. I am still mad about it because i am still using the 1080.
If you still using it you didnt lose anything
Lol you're fine. It's still good at 1080p. I only upgraded from mine because I wanted 4k 60fps
I feel you. I bought the quad-core 7700k months before Intel abandoned Kaby Lake and introduced (mainstream) hexa-core.
There's still opportunity cost to consider.
7:07 my man Kryzzp 🥰💪😇👍glad you are referencing him in the video as he’s a great game benchmarker 💪🥳🤩!
True. I'm just now retiring my 2015 gaming PC. Now that upscaling exists it might be even longer I'll keep using my new rig for.
What I would like with game settings is an indicator of how hard a setting will hit the FPS
Still rocking a GTX1060....but looking forward to Battlemage/8800XT
Sadly there will be no rdna4 cards higher tier than rx8700xt, kinda like rdna1. I'll wait for rdna5 but i will probably upgrade to rdna6.
@@Bsc8
If the 8700XT has the value of the 5700XT I might buy one, that old RDNA card was a beast for the price.
I loved my old 1060 6GB, most cheapest single fan noise monster version (Zotac) it made my old GTX770 it replaced look like a PS1 by comparison. And it did it while using half the electricity, Pascal was a huge leap forward in performance and efficiency, it doubled FPS in games over the 960 in real world testing.
@@darthwiizius your right tho! AMD has the opportunity to bring another rx5700xt in terms of value, let's hope they dont screw us with the rx8700xt :)
@Bsc8 AMD is no longer a serious player in the GPU market... not by market share anyways...
If you look at the Steam Hardware survey, a few years ago the most used AMD card used to be around #15 on the chart with Nvidia commanding the top 14...
Today, AMD has dropped to #31 before you see their most prolific dedicated GPU.... which is the RX 580... yes, the top 30 cards are all Nvidia.
i had a Titan card for over 5 years and it ran all new games in 4k ultra but at 30-40fps. i bought a budget 3060 rtx prebuilt. it ran 4k games depending on the game can get 50-60 fps. you really don't need anything stronger than 3060 unless you want 4k and 60+ fps. if you are a 1k 2k gamer just get 3060. I might build a custom for 5060 rtx cards or intel battle mage cards.
The point is that you can keep that card many years and dont have to buy new after 3-4years. I have rtx 1070 ti for 8years and planning to buy battlemage when released
@@ketsi3079 that is the point but you got some idiot streamers and youtubers that claim you need 4090 or 4080. you dont.
I upgraded my graphics card about a year and a half ago. My old EVGA FTW 680 4gb card was still capable of running almost everything I have at 1080p and very playable performance. A few titles that were more ram hungry were an issue so I got an 8gb amd card. I am still rocking my 12year old Xeon and 32gb ddr3 in quad channel with a SATA SSD rig and I am getting VERY playable performance.
its also worth noting that the cloud gaming revolution is also having a large effect on things. I personally bought my first gaming pc this year and it was a alienware aurora r7 that came with a 1080ti and i7 8700 which at its release was one of the best combos you could buy and got it for 350 us dollars which ive been told is a steal. Considering it can game just as good as a playstation 5 or even better in some instances i do feel it was a good deal but i now also use the geforce now cloud gaming just because its cheap and works good. It works in some instances better then my 1080ti and if you take into account what the per month cost is it would take me around 5 years of usage to equal what it would cost to buy the same gpu they allow me to use for that monthly price. This doesnt take into account the fact that as new gpus come out their likely to adopt them into the cloud service framework and so when you look at it from that perspective cloud gaming is a very attractive option for those that have the ability to enjoy it and fast enough internet. Personally i have both geforce now cloud gaming and xbox game pass cloud gaming, xbox gives me access to a huge range of games via either cloud or even more games via downloading to my pc so whenn you combine that with geforce nows amazing quality that the xbox service lacks you get a amazingly awesome combo of all the great things cloud gaming has to offer. That being said i still find uses for my 1080ti that i just cant get from cloud gaming, things like 3d rendering or video editting which is something you really didnt even touch on in this video. Theres so many other reasons other then gaming that someone would want or buy a graphics card for.
I'm on a 5700xt, my brother is on a 1070ti, one friend is also on a 1070ti and another friend is rocking 1080 and all of them are still churning on perfectly fine
Still good cards but they are being beaten in some if not most games by low budget cards
@@scarfaceReaper Sure but why buy something new that just barely beats the old one that still works
@@Sirpesari i get that but I meant as in a new buyer if they decide to buy these types of GPUs they can easily go for newer ones that in some cases are roughly 10+ fps more and some of GPUs are cheaper than the infamous GTX 1080/TI on used market in some countries not to mention they'll get driver support more
@@scarfaceReaper Depends on a market really, gtx 1080ti still kicks the snot out of 3060 for example in rasterisation and for example here in Finland you can have an used gtx 1080ti for under 200e while a new 3060 costs over 300e
The 1080 is the best card ever
Me, who owns a GTX 1050Ti 😂
I upgraded my kids to GTX 1070 last year, and used one of their GTX 1050 to upgrade my PC. Whatever gets you through the night.
lol same
i'm still rockin' a gtx 760 2GB from '13, hopefully getting a rtx 3080 before too long
🤡🤡🤡
@@Rebe-Caufman don't be so hard on yourself
Still using an MSI RX 480 8gb that was used to mine non stop from '16 until '21. Flashed back the original bios and it works like new, no thermal paste change no nothing
Using a geforce 1060 6gb here graphics driver updates regularly no problems in playing the latest games and have three 32in acer curved monitors connected to it ATS and ETS2 is played daily
First. And I'm keeping my 4090 for 10 years. I'll end up running at low settings eventually but at least I can max out textures.
Thats a Smart play Honestly.
I game 5k-7k between 45-70fps with my rtx 3090 with OC so I'm like when ps5 pro comes out that will be closer to tf Wise to rtx 3090 and with frame gen fsr3 I still don't see the GPU upgrade at the moment worth it although I'm curious on spec's for 5080 or 5080ti hmm?!?!?
The power draw of 400 watts for ten years... Holy shit that's not as good an idea as you think
You'd save money buying a 60 class card when it's beating the 4090
@@veilmontTV It usually draws more like 200 to 250 watts. Newer games can get up to over 400 watts.
When a 5 year old GPU can still make the most up to date console look slow, yeah, there’s still some use left there
What is this GPU, lol?
2080 Ti was the most powerful 5yo GPU
It is around 20% taster than 6700 non XT (ps5 GPU)
It doesn't make 6700 look slow
And apparently, 1200$ for GPU only and 500$ for the whole system makes no difference to certain somebody
@@angrynimbus270 I have a ps5 and Xbox series x, they never fail to disappoint with their mediocre performance. Console GPUs are roughly on par with a GTX 1070, idk what the AMD equivalent would be. So yeah, slow compared to a 2080 Ti.
@@chincemagnetSaying a ps5 is on par with a 1070 is just dumb
Consoles generally get a pretty modest performance increase due to uniformed architecture. I don't think the current consoles (Xbox Series X, PS5) are considered "slow" at this point, plus "Pro" models are in the pipeline.
Here's me running an RX480 4gb since launch and I see no need to upgrade as I only play esports titles.
Me with a GTX 1050 Ti in 2024 😂😂😂😂
my GPU upgrade cycle. GF 2 MX400 > GF FX 5700 > GF 7600GS > GF 8800GTS > GTX 260 > GTX 680 > GTX 1070 Ti > now RTX 3080.
And mine is idk dead idk dead heat you see one is alive and kicking but can't play game one and now 1070🎉 ill go foe 5000 or amd
My gpu is 260=1070ti maybe intel next year
Sounds like me but I started with the 3DFX Voodoo 2 and stopped with the 8800GTS and last year jumped into a 1660SC and a 3060 12Gb is my top card now.
@@GTORazor I started with the integrated graphics of a mobile Celeron from like 2015 (was on some Acer AIO), then to a GT 710 in my first actual PC tower, then to a 730, then an RX 460 until it died, and now im chilling with an RX 580. I might think about buying an RX 6700 XT or something
@@ashii_ii sounds like you were trapped by your hardware and unable to play the way you wanted to.
My GTX 970 runs Ratchet and Clank A Rift Apart in 1080 at a smooth 60, and Tarkov runs smooth on every map except Streets. Im looking into upgrading to the 4070TI super as an upgrade.
You gave me flashbacks of when I was trying to use my 9800gt and GTX 260 way past their prime. Upgrading to the HD 6870 felt huge!
I'm a lot better now in finding games that work properly on the hardware I'm using. A friend gifted me a second gen i5 dell Inspiron laptop with Intel HD 3000 graphics. It was kind of refreshing looking at metacritic PC games lists from 2006 and back. Got to check tons of games I missed out on from not having a good PC at the time. I don't know why I never did this when I got my first proper gaming computer
Honestly, it doesn't help that games that are coming out now are complete dogshit too, so having older hardware, playing older games, it seems normal, tbh. Most of my Steam library consists of older titles and "boomer shooters", and my machine is running a r5 5600 and a RX 580 (8gig). I don't really feel the need to upgrade anytime soon, since I can run a lot of modern games at a Medium / Low mix. My system does exactly what I want it to do, and I'm happy with older hardware.
The RX 580 is a fossil anything is an upgrade from that in 2024. At least go with a RX 6700xt.
Yep upgraded to 2nd hand rx 5700 xt from GTX 1060 and barely play anything new since those games are so damn bad. I play mostly f2p or older games native or emulated.
There's still a ton of good games coming out, you just need to look further than just Triple-A games
My gt 1030 (bought used) is still going, bought ages ago, still don't feel the beed to upgrade, i just don't play games so intensive
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Still enjoying my RX 5700 XT from at least 4 years back. I must admit I don't play ultra modern games, and it's usually automation / build games, no first person shooters.
GPU`s are not evolving enough
My RTX3080 is 3.5 years old and still strong in most games
Yeah it’s faster than a 4070.
unfortunately, the 10 gbs of vram is kicking my butt rn. i’m upgrading to 7900 xtx currently
I have a 3070 Ti and can run Helldivers 2 and Starfield on ultra settings at 75 Hz.
Cards don't start hitting peak performance until a year or two after launch. No point putting down the sheets on cutting edge, better to wait until the drivers are fully baked and save a few Quid.
And here i am still playing with my 1070 ti, dd2 last title.i played and 0 crashes, 0 bugs 60fps
My RX 580 was still kicking in 2022, running all the games I enjoy playing at medium or even high graphics at an acceptable frame rate at 1080p. It will still even able to handle VR games that I play. I ended up upgrading to a 3060 in 2022 because it was on sale for a great price at my local best buy and I admittedly jumped onto the ray tracing hype (I've only ever used RT in Minecraft and then never touched it again lol, but at least it has a decent bit more performance).
Many old GPUs can definitely still hold their own even for some modern games. The 1080 Ti is still excellent for example and can even thrash the shit out of the budget RTX cards in some ways and you can find them used on eBay for less than $200 sometimes.
My 1070 TI's front fan stopped working causing overheat crashes and the solution was to tape two 120mm fans to the side after removing fan shroud. Temps are now way lower than they were when stock fans was actually working. I plan on upgrading in 2028 for the 7000 series. Hoping for a 7060 TI 32GB that is 150 teraflops for under 600 dollars.
only reason i'm upgrading my r9 390 is because i couldn't get it working well in linux
I think it's an AMD thing. My GPU is fairly new, rx 7900 gre, and I can't get Linux to run well for shit. I'll come back to it in a year.
when i upgraded to a 6800 i had some weird crashing issues but they solved after upgrading the kernel to 6.9.3, something in the newer but not newest versions mustve been screwed up
Alan Woke was garbage. 60% of playtime went to games that were 6 year or older in 2023. The top games were like GTA5 though I am sure they meant GTAO games like Fortnite were also on the list. There are many reasons why people aren't upgrading like they used to. The biggest reason is most of the new games are woke trash. Filled with woke trash bugs broken and barely functioning games. Games sell GPU's. GPU's don't sell themselves. People usually upgrade for a game. When all the games are garbage tier there is no point in upgrading. Then you have the usual list of mundane reasons. The prices have gone up really high. A GPU you could have bought for $500 years ago now cost $700-$800. The economy stinks and no one has any money. When people need credit cards to pay their bills or buy groceries GPU's are not the top priority. Though the media denies it for certain reasons we are pretty much in a recession at this point. We have been for a while. You don't need the latest and greatest GPUs to play games from half a decade ago or more. I'm still using the RTX 2070 Super I bought back in 2019.
I am still using the 1080ti from 2017 and playing almost everything at high settings.
I decided to upgrade when i am down to medium settings...looks like I will be good for another 1-2 years
I'm starting from 0 at the start of next year (for Monster Hunter Wilds) and I'm looking for options, do i find a good and trusted oldie or go for something new, of course, i won't have that much of a budget to not care, which is why I'm already figuring it out
Alan wake 2 is woke
And boring, what a garbage unfun movie game
SNOOZEFEST! just like hellblade 2
Heck, i still keep my ancient Collectors Edition msi 970 gtx and mi wife's old GTX 1080 ti around for backup builds, as a loaner for ppl who need something that gets them by until they can afford their upgrade, etc. It still plays most everything up until about 2020 even on up to high settings in many cases. It can play everything modern on mid range mostly, and anything at all with some tweaking.
I only just built a new pc because my 4yo hijacked my 2016 980ti rig for roblox. It's still running fine at 1080p high settings on most games. Great card, hope my new 4070 ti super lasts so long.
My last upgrade was a sidegrade: went from an RTX 2070 Strix to an RX 5700 Red Devil, simply because I got a good deal on a used card and could flip the RTX card. My rig could easily handle a beefier card (R7 5800x, x570 mobo, 32 gigs of RAM, 850 watt gold power supply) but I'm having such a good time in 1440p with the Red Devil I don't see the need.
rx 580 is good for cs2 ? (1280x960 Low ) over 250fps with a intel 12th cpu?