@@DawidDoesTechStuff also, I did actually find a card worse than this on amazon, however, its extremely expensive and comes in the retail box www.amazon.com/MATROX-MGA-MIL-2N-MILLENNIUM-Matrox-MGA-MIL-2N-PCI-Video-Card-C196/dp/B016YK4ZK0/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=2mb+video+card&qid=1591122674&s=pc&sr=1-2 it looks like it would probably only make sense for a windows 3.1/95 pc, it has 3d acceleration believe it or not
@@DawidDoesTechStuff heres a video showing what turok looks like on this extremely early 3d accelerator that amazon somehow still has ruclips.net/video/7qgMkWTnf4Y/видео.html
@@DawidDoesTechStuff yes - GT 710 isn't "bad" hardware. It's just really basic and cheap. But if you're not gaming and just want a video adaptor, it's ideal. Or if you're retro-gaming, Or just playing low-demand games it's fine. It's like arguing the Dacia Sandero shouldn't exist because the BMW 3 series is much better and everyone should just buy one of those.
Used to work for ATI many years after this card came out, and found we were still selling tons of them (along with the Rage128). I asked around how this was possible, we had FAR better graphics chipsets at the time (Radeon 9700 and newer), and yet were still fabbing these things. The answer was simple: servers. Many servers of the day used these chips as basic graphics chips to drive the local VGA connector. I wouldn't be surprised if a not much newer successor was being used even today for VGA out on servers.
I confirm. I worked for a company that had racks of servers with this king of cheapo video card just to get a console to display on an rack monted screen nearby. Some also had vga to rj45 converters, presumably for remote kvm access. Tons of ewaste when they upgraded a few years back.
A modern day commercial equivalent would be a Headless plug Its a plug where there is no cord its just a plug with a video processor so you can out put a digital display that can be sent to a device to moderate it. Of course that's if its a device/server with its own built in GPU, as modern Day Graphics Cards do not have the option to output a digital display on there own. So a plug is needed to. If its not then its going to be a weak economic GPU/A Reclaimed GPU. Where your getting it to drive the server terminals and nothing more in which case any GPU even one pulled from older devices like old/broken laptops, and computers in theory can be wired to stand in to serve that purpose.
But it doesn't make sense even for that purpose anymore. The GT 210 has a D-sub connector and it can be had for like $20 new with a guarantee that it works. The old 2D cards are just too old. They cannot even run a modern GUI properly. Besides, modern server boards have a very basic onboard SoC that handles the VGA output and all the remote access and what not. So there is no need for a GPU at all in the system.
Yep, I assume that these are for servers or retrocomputers. The retrocomputers that want the real experience of gaming without the best possible technology of the time.
This card is not intended for gaming, but for servers and industrial systems. The Matrox G200 is also still being produced and is used in industry and servers. These cards and chips from back then are robust, energy-saving and have proven themselves. So you can still buy them.
@@drunkhusband6257 The original Rage 128 was already usable for gaming in this era. But not this new replica. Doesn't even work in 5V PCI slots and is therefore useless for many vintage PCs. Unless you modify the graphics card, which will overwhelm most laypeople.
I spent 10 minutes of my life, watching a video on a GPU that I would never buy. Not only would I never buy it, I would never consider it, nor would I even look for it or even know it exists.
@@marctorres7182 That's what I was thinking, I actually tried to check this! There are a few... But for some reason they're like $100+ which is a surprise to me....
my first GPU was a 4mb rage pro....and it turned my gaming world upside down and I never looked back to console. Jedi Knight @ 800x600 (might have been 1024x768) was mind blowing.
The ATI Rage series was actually not "that" bad ... 22 years ago. The ATI Rage (Mobility) can handle Games like Warcraft 3 at 25-35fps which makes it perfectly playable, this game had no software renderer hence the ATI Rage was a blessing in laptops. Games like Half Life 1 / Counter Strike ran at 40-50fps on Windows 98 / XP at 800x600. Your Win10 install used Software Rendering (Yes, Win10 can even emulate D3D).
I was cleaning out my attic and found an ATi Mach 64 from 1995. It pretty much had the same purpose as this Rage XL. Just a 2D accelerator. According to Techpowerup it runs on a 600nm process with 1 pixel shader and 1 ROP. Ultimate gaming power!
The trick with Windows XP is running your hdd controller in IDE mode and have 3GB of ram or less connected. Some motherboards have a OS type selection. Putting that to DOS/Linux tends to help on modern boards
While mentioning the GT 710 I instantly thought there is the 210 and that thing is worse.... Then the 210 got mentioned. But saying it's even lower I expected something like a Radeon 9200 or Matrox G400 or Geforce 4 MX 440
Your XP endeavours may have been hindered by the use of SATA drives. You might have needed to check whether your bios chipset instructions were set to IDE mode and not AHCI mode.
The rage XL was pretty popular for servers for a long time way into the 2000s and still has a lot of support on many OSes. Id assume that's why its still for sale on major retailers.
VGA actually has a few tricks up it's sleeve which makes it quite impressive, 1600x1200 16-bit is more of a limitation of the generic driver you are using, though this card might not be able to handle it. But I've managed to get up to 1920x1440i at something like 90hz on VGA, and it looks fantastic on an authentic CRT.
@@ajddavid452 My 2nd monitor only has VGA input which I feed into my GPU with a VGA to HDMI adapter, no issue hitting 1080p for the good chunk of years I've had it running... is VGA output from a 2080 Super overdoing it?
@@uglybad4 bruh you have a 2080 super yet you can't afford a second monitor with hdmi/displayport? XD wait why does that monitor only have vga despite being 1080p? it should atleast have dvi too
@@ajddavid452 It's some weird acer monitor, don't remember the exact model, that only has one VGA input and nothing else. My main display is 1440p 144hz over DisplayPort which is what I use 99% of the time; my VGA screen is purely for secondary stuff like Discord or podcasts
Technically, you can't keep calling this a _GPU_ (or even the ATI term _VPU_ ) as the RAGE series is comparable to nVidia RIVA series, and predates Hardware T&L.
Yea I was entertained as always by the video, but he was definitely showing his age here. Old ATI stuff deserves better than being torn apart like this decades later. Who knows, I doubt the RTX 2080ti will be able to run Holograph titles in 2051 so this is a bit unfair
I think I used to play Quake III on one of those (1999-2000?) I was still using Win 98 I believe. Was a few more years before GPUs got heatsinks. Then the heatsinks got so big they got little fans on them. Crazy thing is with all the new textures and shadows, I dont think there has ever been a game to surpass QIII Arena for game play. I also spent a ton of time in Urban Terror which was a QIII mod. The original Counter Strike got the Nick name counter cheat. QIII had Punkbuster.....lol.... Im oLd....
Pretty interesting that your monitor did not have a native VGA port, given that many monitors today, even high-end and gamer-oriented ones, still have one.
I purchased this GPU and it served my needs perfectly! I needed a PCI GPU to boot into my NAS' bios (Xeon E3 1230v2 has no integrated graphics, and my mobo didn't have PCI-e). If you read the reviews, you'll see that most people purchase this card for similar reasons.
@@Ciffer-1998 Because it is a NAS, and that card is there as a cheap way for Synology/QNAP/other to provide some form of expansion. Not sure when they started putting in PCI-E, but if the nas is 5 years old, then yeah. PCI all the way baby
Im feeling a bit disapointed. This is the equivalent to go looking for a 1940's car and then complain is bad.. of course is bad... is a 22 year old card! The question is why do they sell it still, and well, the answer is simple: For people with 30 yr old computers that need a video output! Back then, the cpus didn't had integrated graphics. The igpu of those days, if it had one, it was part of the motherboard, and some had 1 or 2 mb of memory and they would struggle even playing videos. It wasn't like today that any budget cpu comes with integrated graphics good enough to watch youtube... well almost all of them, you know what i mean. Back then it was common to have both the sound and the video as pci cards. And the 2d video cards, let's call them that, were actualy more common then 3d acelerated graphics cards. This card was never meant to play games. It was literaly a video output card so you could use your pc and thats it. I know that realy sound like the gt 210... but is not realy the same... You see... the 210 exists in an age, where dedicated gpus are considered 3d acelerators, and not display outputs... where the basic video output is handled by the integrated gpu INSIDE your cpu and noone would think to buy a dedicated gpu just so they can watch youtube and dvd's. This card in the other hand, existed in a time were you needed to use a video card just to get video out. HELL this card existed in a time where 3D CARDS and video cards were 2 SEPARATED THINGS. You used THIS card along another pci card which function was to render the 3d graphics for your games, and you would plug the vga output of your video card into the 3d acelerator and then use the 3d acelerator output to plug your monitor! IT WAS CRAZY!
You're on the right track with your comment, but off on a few points. The 3D Rage was the first 3D accelerator from ati. The Rage XL is a later revision that I believe was based on the Rage Pro and most certainly a 3D accelerator. The DirectX version that this card supports is going to be limited to DirectX 6. As far as XP drivers are concerned, they're built into Windows. It probably would have installed them without any issues if XP had installed. This is a perfect card to pair with older DOS gaming rigs. A video like this is pointless. It'd make more sense coming from someone knowledgeable in these older parts, like Druaga1, LGR, or philscomputerlab.
There are much better options as simple PCI/AGP video display adapters than this even for systems pre 2000. And well, nah, most people consider the Geforce 210 as a display adapter for systems that come without one integrated, not as a 3D accelerator
Mine is in a socket 7 233 mmx rig. Running win98se it plays all games from back in the day. Even some dos games that I have to shut off the cash to play.
That BSOD was a stop 7B. It is an inaccessible boot device. You can get that if you install Windows XP from a USB stick, are in RAID mode, etc... You may just need to find the mobo drivers for SATA and use F6 to load them during Windows setup. You may also want to be sure you have an XP SP3 install disk with those SATA drivers.
I'm feel old now, the video card looks good to me I had much weaker video accelerator card in my Pentium II second-hand build. You picked the wrong games, bro. This card would run 3D games like Harry Potter 1 and 2, Tank Racer or Star Wars: Dark Forces easily. Testing those games on "modern" setup is pointless...when Vista Aero eats all GPU power. 😅
I had a card similar to that back in ‘98, paired with a VooDoo for the proper 3D stuff. Honestly back in the Win 9x days having a display adapter with an 8 megabyte frame buffer, for 2D/Windows stuff, would’ve been really nice. Like you say pre-2000 games it’ll be fine, when installed on period correct hardware. It should play nice with Doom and Duke 3D for example.
Back then there were many gaming VGA manufacturers like S3, 3dfx, ATI, Matrox and more. People used mostly 14-15 inch CRT monitors so 8MB video RAM were sufficient.
You guys are punks. I used to love Dawid, but since he has made fun constantly of not just my graphics card, but my inability to buy a better one, I hate him! Im on a disability pension. I wish I could afford better! Were not all DAWID who gets his stuff for free cos we all stupidly watch his videos.
@@SeverusStudios1980 1st off, he doesnt make fun of you if you cant afford a better graphics card. I cant remember a Video where he said something like: haha you cant afford a NEW graphics card. And im Sure he would NOT make fun of somebody because of this. 2nd: he doesnt get parts for free all the time. So for you to say he gets stuff for free all the time is not correct.
@@SeverusStudios1980 Hey Daniel, Im sorry to hear that your are offended. I am joking in these videos and I understand that everyone has different access to hardware. All hardware is beautiful and if what you have plays the games that you want to play. Then that's the only thing that matters.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff yeah, i used to play on a 14 year old laptop with a Single core CPU and no gpu and it was a BAD System, but i had fun, and thats what matters
Since was born too late to have ever used a PCI graphics accelerators, I always wondered why some boards still have PCI slots, until I learned that now these are usually used my engineers to diagnose errors and hardware problems.
I am amazed that Amazon posted this card. I could expect Ebay listings, for vintage hardware is significant today and quite pricey actually. Heck, try to pick up a used, vintage Voodoo graphics card today.
@@KiddyParkerz I thought he had managed to get his hands on an Intel i740. Those were by far the worst graphics cards ever made. I take it that there were none on Amazon though.
To use some VERY rough numbers, I found synthetic benchmarks for the Rage XL on Hardware Museum (2.8). I also found a value for the Radeon 7500 (48.3). That's important, because you can find the Radeon 7500 on a more modern benchmark, like Passmark, where it gets a 3. It's worth noting, the $125 RX 570 has a Passmark benchmark of 6967. Using the Radeon 7500 as a scaling benchmark (the Rage XL is 5.8% of the Radeon 7500), that means we can rough out the Rage XL's Passmark at 0.2. This makes the RX 570 (a good value card, but still a value card) almost 35000 times more powerful than the Rage XL. Even the lowly GF 710 gets a Passmark of 621, or 3100 times more powerful, just to give an idea of scale. Not sure why I felt the need to work this out, but I did.
@@warrax111 As I said, those are VERY rough numbers- a full recognition that benchmarks are not reality. Do you have a better way of modeling the differences between the items in question?
@@annagramgaming8934 Yes, it's uncomperable. You are trying compare, what cannot be numbered. those are different technologies, platforms. Newer cards have lots of features, supports higher versions of directX, etc. You can compare only cards from about same era, that can be said "this card is 150% faster, this card is 350% faster, etc...). But cards from over 10 or 20 years, not.
@@warrax111 I guess I have to repeat this because you are incapable of reading. It's a VERY (caps every fucking time) rough comparison. So thank you for observing the obvious about the nature of these kinds of issues. Now for the part you ran away from: Can you offer any kind of way of doing this better? Or are you just looking for a chance to snark about something offered as VERY rough and pretend that wasn't said EVERY time?
Somehow, this card is older than a Pentium 3 system I recently acquired. I managed to get a card for it with AGP and 3D acceleration for like $10 since the card that came in it was almost like this with no 3D acceleration whatsoever. Direct3D did not work at all until I got the other card, which is a bit newer than rest of the system, but it works just fine for what I use it for. It’s kinda ironic seeing that card have extra headroom over the rest of the system.
In the right vintage build this would probably be pretty good. Had some rudimentary 3d acceleration functions, but was basically a 2d card, right? Really needs to be attached to a 3DFX. This is 95/98 era tech.
Omfg i actually had this card back in like 2017 in an old server i found in the trash, i remember searching for W7 drivers and seeing these 10 year old threads (2008) already calling this card old and obsolete lmaoo
XP drivers will install in Windows 7 32bit. (Vista as well). They may work in Windows 10 32bit but I've not tried it. (You may need to run the OS in unsigned driver mode since XP drivers were not usually signed)
Don't get it trust me. I have the slightly better one (3GB model) and even though I can play some modern games, you would be much bettee off just saving up for an RX5500 XT. I know its a lot cheaper but its not even on a comparable level of performance.
sometimes there are industrial uses for old hardware like this, i gave away some old stuff to a guy who needed it for an old pc that was used to run a machine with windows 95
Man, I never noticed when we stopped using the term video card and now called graphics cards instead. I remember calling them video cards all the time, but I guess when their focus shifted from just displaying images to rendering games and videos I guess that's when it happened.
I can't count how many times one of those ATI Rage XL pci video cards have saved my ass. At one time I had salvaged a small stack of them and they enabled me to build and learn alot about older machines back when I got started. I think I still have one around as my saving grace for whenever I play around with my oldies. Reliable af.
If you're using a SATA drive make sure that you have set to ATA or Compatibility Mode in the BIOS, as AHCI won't work with anything older than Vista. If you plan on using AHCI you must either slipstream SATA AHCI drivers or use Vista/7 as they will run XP drivers.
Was planning to buy this as an upgrade to a POS system with a 450Mhz AMD CPU, but holy hell this is worse then I thought... Thanks for saving my wallet XD
Even in the era when a K6-2 450 was a popular CPU, the Rage XL was garbage. I think I was running a Voodoo3 3500TV back in those days, although I actually had the K6-III 450. Later on, I upgraded to a GF2 GTS.
A working system with K6-2 or K6-III on a Super Socket 7 motherboard would be far more valuable nowadays (as a retro machine) than a Rage card, especially a low-end XL model. Coupled with a Voodoo3 or GeForce, the machine would be perfect for just about any game in mid to late 1990s. Rage was not quite an opponent to Voodoo or GeForce; only until Radeon had ATi gotten some foothold on 3D gaming.
For the period-correct solution a Voodoo 3 would really be a proper choice, but for that POS usage the question comes up, does it have AGP? If yes, something like a old Radeon 9200/9250 or Geforce 4 MX could do the job. for PCI even something like a Rage 128 or Riva TNT would be worlds better.
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@@AveragePootis oh the mx was not completely bad. gf 2 mx were okay and gf 4 mx were sour because of lack of feature support. and some of them were actually faster than the fx 5200
@@HappyBeezerStudios I had both gf2 mx400 and gf4 mx440. Poor man choice at that time but with CRT playing on lower resolution was not such a big problem like today on LCD screens and nobody care about framerates at that time. If you can find settings that give you playable game you were happy, simpler times. Lack of shader support was bigger issue with mx440, not at a time when I buy it but soon enough all games demanded hardware support. I still have both cards somewhere in a box with rest of old parts but not my original cards, I probably sold these long time ago.
When I was a student I had an ATi Rage 128, 8MB in my gateway PC. I played The Sims, Monster truck madness 2, StarCraft, Need for Speed Hot Pursuit. Fun times. Then one of the 2MB chips died and it started artefacting in 3D mode. I still keep it to this day, poor thing.
This video card/gpu was one of most common to find in servers at time. Often integrated straight to motherboard (ati xl was used like that for years). Still there was more funny things that should be 3d capable yet sucked compared even to rage xl... like SIS... lol. Have 8mb sis agp card that somehow manages to stay on par with 4mb pci rage 2 at best XD Edit: Recheked, even have some P4 prescott server boards with ati xl on board :) Also, You didn't try cryptomining on this?? Why? It would show You hashrates You never imagined possible :P
My first computer came with one of these integrated to the main board. Yeah I updated to a Geforce card right away. A Guillemot's Hercules 3D Prophet DDR-DVI with 32mb of ram for $319. What an upgrade!
Believe it or not a ton of servers still rock this chip as part of their remote control/video out. That’s why you can get it running at all in win 10. Also this thing can be overclocked with powerstrip. I used to have mine clocked at 100 mhz
Dawid: *buys worst video card
Seller: Yay, some idiot bought it.
Hahaha!! I am sure that is exactly how it goes. 😂
Nice 69
@@DawidDoesTechStuff also, I did actually find a card worse than this on amazon, however, its extremely expensive and comes in the retail box www.amazon.com/MATROX-MGA-MIL-2N-MILLENNIUM-Matrox-MGA-MIL-2N-PCI-Video-Card-C196/dp/B016YK4ZK0/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=2mb+video+card&qid=1591122674&s=pc&sr=1-2
it looks like it would probably only make sense for a windows 3.1/95 pc, it has 3d acceleration believe it or not
@@DawidDoesTechStuff heres a video showing what turok looks like on this extremely early 3d accelerator that amazon somehow still has ruclips.net/video/7qgMkWTnf4Y/видео.html
*starts high fiving each other*
This makes a GT 710 good graphics card.
*A ultimate beast**
Gt 710 is a great card. I have one in an emulation machine and it handles old games perfectly
I know right. 😂
@@DawidDoesTechStuff yes - GT 710 isn't "bad" hardware. It's just really basic and cheap. But if you're not gaming and just want a video adaptor, it's ideal. Or if you're retro-gaming, Or just playing low-demand games it's fine.
It's like arguing the Dacia Sandero shouldn't exist because the BMW 3 series is much better and everyone should just buy one of those.
it makes my old riva 128zx a beast
You will be full of “Rage XL” when this gives you low FPS in your games
lol
Yeah my rage was pretty XL. 😂
Now that's funny ROFL
I’m fine with 20 FPS
@@nathanthecollector429 20fps? yeah you can get that in minesweeper
Used to work for ATI many years after this card came out, and found we were still selling tons of them (along with the Rage128). I asked around how this was possible, we had FAR better graphics chipsets at the time (Radeon 9700 and newer), and yet were still fabbing these things.
The answer was simple: servers. Many servers of the day used these chips as basic graphics chips to drive the local VGA connector.
I wouldn't be surprised if a not much newer successor was being used even today for VGA out on servers.
I confirm.
I worked for a company that had racks of servers with this king of cheapo video card just to get a console to display on an rack monted screen nearby. Some also had vga to rj45 converters, presumably for remote kvm access. Tons of ewaste when they upgraded a few years back.
Ltt showed an m.2 gpu for this purpose.
A modern day commercial equivalent would be a Headless plug Its a plug where there is no cord its just a plug with a video processor so you can out put a digital display that can be sent to a device to moderate it. Of course that's if its a device/server with its own built in GPU, as modern Day Graphics Cards do not have the option to output a digital display on there own. So a plug is needed to. If its not then its going to be a weak economic GPU/A Reclaimed GPU. Where your getting it to drive the server terminals and nothing more in which case any GPU even one pulled from older devices like old/broken laptops, and computers in theory can be wired to stand in to serve that purpose.
But it doesn't make sense even for that purpose anymore. The GT 210 has a D-sub connector and it can be had for like $20 new with a guarantee that it works.
The old 2D cards are just too old. They cannot even run a modern GUI properly.
Besides, modern server boards have a very basic onboard SoC that handles the VGA output and all the remote access and what not. So there is no need for a GPU at all in the system.
Yep, I assume that these are for servers or retrocomputers. The retrocomputers that want the real experience of gaming without the best possible technology of the time.
This card is not intended for gaming, but for servers and industrial systems. The Matrox G200 is also still being produced and is used in industry and servers. These cards and chips from back then are robust, energy-saving and have proven themselves. So you can still buy them.
Who cares?
@@everythingponyhe says, in the comments section of a video of a youtube video criticising a video card from the late 90s by 2023 standards 🤦♂️🤦♂️
This card was intended for games....over 20 years ago...
@@drunkhusband6257 The original Rage 128 was already usable for gaming in this era. But not this new replica. Doesn't even work in 5V PCI slots and is therefore useless for many vintage PCs. Unless you modify the graphics card, which will overwhelm most laypeople.
Then why would they name it the rage xl 😂
I'm not buying a new motherboard just for this card Dawid.
You mean an old motherboard. 😋
@@DawidDoesTechStuff yeah, that...
@@DawidDoesTechStuff The Optiplex 990 has a PCI slot everything but the front IO is standard.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I have a Haswell motherboard with a PCI slot. Barely old
I have a PCI slot on my motherboard, it's a motherboard from HP pre-build, Foxconn 17A0
I spent 10 minutes of my life, watching a video on a GPU that I would never buy. Not only would I never buy it, I would never consider it, nor would I even look for it or even know it exists.
nothing speaks weak ass video card like a pci slot which no modern day pc comes with those old pos slots anymore
I bought it this card, 22 years ago!!!
@@raven4k998 That's where you're wrong, PCI may not be as common as it was in the 90's and 2000's but there are still modern motherboards with it
That’s the whole point….. this video is entertainment
i am the one who owns it and i use it for gaming
Plays minesweeper with this card, clicks mine, card explodes
Golden comment. This one got me
Click one of those squares that clears a large area, get a BSoD.
this
Hey thats realistic
I'm just impressed at the ability to use the VGA cable to support the card as you wave it around.
yes, it can be done but it's not pretty.🤣🤣🤣
The new ibuypower prebuilts are definitely gonna have this now
RUclips after recommending dozens of 10000$ builds and showing me how bad my pc is
Here you go you can take a break now
That is what I like to do. RUclips is hard on a PC's self-esteem sometimes.
I dont even have a pc lol
9:24 Don't tempt me now 😏
Temp Phil from Philscomputerlab instead. The card seems to be a fit with a Pentium II or lower system running Win 98.
I would love to see what you come up with. 😂
What? Not a single S3 Trio or Virge on Amazon?
@oztalkshw now buys 10 and ads to an old EMachine and attempts to run Doom.
@@marctorres7182 That's what I was thinking, I actually tried to check this! There are a few... But for some reason they're like $100+ which is a surprise to me....
I can't wait to try 1640:320 resolution 👀
Oh crap did I make a Typo? 😱
Honestly I feel like that might be the res of the apple touchbar thing
@@DawidDoesTechStuff 14:40 more like a speak-o
@@TheGodOfAllThatWas It is 2170x60 lol
@@pineapplevlogs1267 So if my math is right about 4 apple touchbars. Or maybe more like 5 in letterbox.
my first GPU was a 4mb rage pro....and it turned my gaming world upside down and I never looked back to console. Jedi Knight @ 800x600 (might have been 1024x768) was mind blowing.
I love how the hard drive being faulty is probably why windows xp would not install it was like nope nope I hate that drive.🤣🤣
The ATI Rage series was actually not "that" bad ... 22 years ago. The ATI Rage (Mobility) can handle Games like Warcraft 3 at 25-35fps which makes it perfectly playable, this game had no software renderer hence the ATI Rage was a blessing in laptops.
Games like Half Life 1 / Counter Strike ran at 40-50fps on Windows 98 / XP at 800x600. Your Win10 install used Software Rendering (Yes, Win10 can even emulate D3D).
Litteraly most of the schools:
"I'll take your entire stock"
I igpu will be cheaper so schools love cheapness
@@rawnakjahan2448 rockin the celerons and core 2 duos
Schools don't need gaming systems and they have a budget so they save money here and there
@@ua7521 just like me
Na they won't spoil us with a beast card.
Me: “Mom can we get graphics card?”
Mom: “no we have graphics card at home.”
Graphics card at home:
So ur mom is cruel
@@palashdutta382 could be worse she could get you a brand new pci ATI Rage XL with a whopping 8megs of vram
@@raven4k998 Mom: "You said, at least 8 megabytes!" Kid: "No, not megabytes, gigabytes" Mom: "Mega, Giga, what's the difference anyways?"
@@mleise8292 mom there's a huge difference!!!!!!!!
Another joke at home.
I was cleaning out my attic and found an ATi Mach 64 from 1995. It pretty much had the same purpose as this Rage XL. Just a 2D accelerator. According to Techpowerup it runs on a 600nm process with 1 pixel shader and 1 ROP. Ultimate gaming power!
Lol, techpowerup is horrible site. The ATi Mach 64 had neither of those things. LOL
@@FusionC6techpowerup is fine
@@hisamiyomotsu1337 if you like incorrect information, then sure?
@@FusionC6 show me the incorrect information then :) techpowerup is much more trustable than most review sites, especially with audio
HOLY FUCKING SHIT, DON'T BURN YOUR HANDS!!
The trick with Windows XP is running your hdd controller in IDE mode and have 3GB of ram or less connected. Some motherboards have a OS type selection. Putting that to DOS/Linux tends to help on modern boards
well, that and don't use a faulty hard drive.🤣🤣🤣
I like how witcher 3 geralt is on the box but it wont even render geralt on paint
The fact that at first i screamed "What, a GT 710" at first was not lost on me lol
😁
@@DawidDoesTechStuff ibrun a GTX 260 maxcore oc as my card XD and it run my set of games great
Like Minecraft
While mentioning the GT 710 I instantly thought there is the 210 and that thing is worse.... Then the 210 got mentioned. But saying it's even lower I expected something like a Radeon 9200 or Matrox G400 or Geforce 4 MX 440
0:24 there is no such GPU as a "GT 210" - only a "GeForce 210" :^)
Haha!! GeForce means it's good.
It's commonly gotten known as GT210, so take it as a colloquial term more than it's actual name
Well, I have one and the box says "GeForce G210", so it's half way 😂
I had both of them back in the day.. : ) .. Thi GT 710 and this one..
It should be called GTFO 210 TBH edition.
Your XP endeavours may have been hindered by the use of SATA drives. You might have needed to check whether your bios chipset instructions were set to IDE mode and not AHCI mode.
and you thought you couldn't buy products from 1998 new on amazon you thought wrong kid
He could have installed Windows XP in virtual machine and then instal drivers.
Makes sense
That, or just not using an SP3 image. SP3 was a little more stable when it came to fancy SATA devices.
you need easy2boot dpms if you want to install windows xp with usb on ahci mode. philscomputerlab made a video
I run this card on Win 98. Flawless. Where did we get so spoiled?
The rage XL was pretty popular for servers for a long time way into the 2000s and still has a lot of support on many OSes. Id assume that's why its still for sale on major retailers.
VGA actually has a few tricks up it's sleeve which makes it quite impressive, 1600x1200 16-bit is more of a limitation of the generic driver you are using, though this card might not be able to handle it. But I've managed to get up to 1920x1440i at something like 90hz on VGA, and it looks fantastic on an authentic CRT.
Actually impressive, are there videos of people pushibg the limits of dated video cables? Like supervideo or even component
I managed native resolution on a 1920x1080 monitor using vga before, granted it had a lot of analog noise, but it still worked
@@ajddavid452 My 2nd monitor only has VGA input which I feed into my GPU with a VGA to HDMI adapter, no issue hitting 1080p for the good chunk of years I've had it running... is VGA output from a 2080 Super overdoing it?
@@uglybad4 bruh you have a 2080 super yet you can't afford a second monitor with hdmi/displayport? XD wait why does that monitor only have vga despite being 1080p? it should atleast have dvi too
@@ajddavid452 It's some weird acer monitor, don't remember the exact model, that only has one VGA input and nothing else. My main display is 1440p 144hz over DisplayPort which is what I use 99% of the time; my VGA screen is purely for secondary stuff like Discord or podcasts
Technically, you can't keep calling this a _GPU_ (or even the ATI term _VPU_ ) as the RAGE series is comparable to nVidia RIVA series, and predates Hardware T&L.
Yes can
@smakfu a gpu
@smakfu a gpu
It's barely better than a math coprocessor, which my first PC (386DX) had back in the early 90's.
Yea I was entertained as always by the video, but he was definitely showing his age here. Old ATI stuff deserves better than being torn apart like this decades later. Who knows, I doubt the RTX 2080ti will be able to run Holograph titles in 2051 so this is a bit unfair
Pretty sure for this card, you'd want something like Windows 98 :-)
Oh for sure. Somebody was telling me that there is a way to force drivers in Windows 7, so I may try that at some point. :)
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Win Vista and 7 will run XP (XPDM) drivers, Win 8 and 10 require WDDM drivers.
dos
Windows 7 will run windows xp drivers, but only 32 bit versions can do this.
Why didn't you just used the XP drivers onto Windows 7? It's literally the last version that has XP driver interoperability.
Still gets more frames than intel graphics
How? My intel graphics is a lot faster than the gpu that was on the video
@@Direc2 Firstly, r/woooosh
Secondly, it's a joke.
@@VaskoG384 oh frick, i fell for the joke. What a dumb2 i am
AIMAN26 gaming you sure my laptop has such bad integrated graphics
@@shadymccain9522 I was able to play Dota 2 on a 4 generation old Intel so yea it's better than this.
Wait wait.... Half-Life actually came BEFORE Unreal Tournament. Like a whole year before.
Still love you !
Oh crap. My bad. I must have gotten my dates confused. Thanks for the correction. 👍
Again no sweat. It seemed more playable on UT anyway
@@Agurri I think it was original Unreal that came out around the same time.
I want to play "Graphics up the butt 9", where can I buy it?
I am sure Epic Games will give it away for free soon.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff good to know.
I think I used to play Quake III on one of those (1999-2000?) I was still using Win 98 I believe. Was a few more years before GPUs got heatsinks. Then the heatsinks got so big they got little fans on them. Crazy thing is with all the new textures and shadows, I dont think there has ever been a game to surpass QIII Arena for game play. I also spent a ton of time in Urban Terror which was a QIII mod. The original Counter Strike got the Nick name counter cheat. QIII had Punkbuster.....lol.... Im oLd....
Pretty interesting that your monitor did not have a native VGA port, given that many monitors today, even high-end and gamer-oriented ones, still have one.
It really isn't. Maybe you just got lucky. Some brand might still put them like AOC or someone else.
The only modern monitor i have that has a VGA input is a cheap one (which has VGA and HDMI, no other inputs)
I purchased this GPU and it served my needs perfectly! I needed a PCI GPU to boot into my NAS' bios (Xeon E3 1230v2 has no integrated graphics, and my mobo didn't have PCI-e). If you read the reviews, you'll see that most people purchase this card for similar reasons.
so your nas is so old it supports 16 bit color?
@@raven4k998 You obviously have no idea what a Xeon E3 is or how the graphics subsystem works on a PC architecture.
@@Gissf1still tho that xeon is pretty much a i7 4790 so how the hell does a botherboard from that period have a standard pci
@@Ciffer-1998 Because it is a NAS, and that card is there as a cheap way for Synology/QNAP/other to provide some form of expansion. Not sure when they started putting in PCI-E, but if the nas is 5 years old, then yeah. PCI all the way baby
@@Ciffer-1998 It's called motherboard dude...
Im feeling a bit disapointed. This is the equivalent to go looking for a 1940's car and then complain is bad.. of course is bad... is a 22 year old card!
The question is why do they sell it still, and well, the answer is simple: For people with 30 yr old computers that need a video output!
Back then, the cpus didn't had integrated graphics. The igpu of those days, if it had one, it was part of the motherboard, and some had 1 or 2 mb of memory and they would struggle even playing videos. It wasn't like today that any budget cpu comes with integrated graphics good enough to watch youtube... well almost all of them, you know what i mean. Back then it was common to have both the sound and the video as pci cards. And the 2d video cards, let's call them that, were actualy more common then 3d acelerated graphics cards.
This card was never meant to play games. It was literaly a video output card so you could use your pc and thats it. I know that realy sound like the gt 210... but is not realy the same... You see... the 210 exists in an age, where dedicated gpus are considered 3d acelerators, and not display outputs... where the basic video output is handled by the integrated gpu INSIDE your cpu and noone would think to buy a dedicated gpu just so they can watch youtube and dvd's. This card in the other hand, existed in a time were you needed to use a video card just to get video out. HELL this card existed in a time where 3D CARDS and video cards were 2 SEPARATED THINGS. You used THIS card along another pci card which function was to render the 3d graphics for your games, and you would plug the vga output of your video card into the 3d acelerator and then use the 3d acelerator output to plug your monitor! IT WAS CRAZY!
It's a youtuber doing clickbait.
You're on the right track with your comment, but off on a few points. The 3D Rage was the first 3D accelerator from ati. The Rage XL is a later revision that I believe was based on the Rage Pro and most certainly a 3D accelerator. The DirectX version that this card supports is going to be limited to DirectX 6. As far as XP drivers are concerned, they're built into Windows. It probably would have installed them without any issues if XP had installed. This is a perfect card to pair with older DOS gaming rigs. A video like this is pointless. It'd make more sense coming from someone knowledgeable in these older parts, like Druaga1, LGR, or philscomputerlab.
There are much better options as simple PCI/AGP video display adapters than this even for systems pre 2000. And well, nah, most people consider the Geforce 210 as a display adapter for systems that come without one integrated, not as a 3D accelerator
Who the hell still has a 30 year old computer, that's almost the same age as my mom
@@NotLemont Me
GT 210: Finally a worthy GPU, our battle will be legendary!
they bought 3 of them before they figured out the card does not work i am just like😂😂😂😂
this graphics card is legit so tiny If I saw it I would probably mistake it for a ssd or something
This GPU fails the social credit test 6:54
I remember being happy to get this card 😂 it was far better than the S3 Trio64+ we had in the Pentium 166MHz
yeah well amazon does not sell that s3 trio so yeah🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mine is in a socket 7 233 mmx rig. Running win98se it plays all games from back in the day. Even some dos games that I have to shut off the cash to play.
That BSOD was a stop 7B. It is an inaccessible boot device. You can get that if you install Windows XP from a USB stick, are in RAID mode, etc... You may just need to find the mobo drivers for SATA and use F6 to load them during Windows setup. You may also want to be sure you have an XP SP3 install disk with those SATA drivers.
That's the type of video card you get for free on a Choco Krispis cereal box.
I'm feel old now, the video card looks good to me I had much weaker video accelerator card in my Pentium II second-hand build. You picked the wrong games, bro.
This card would run 3D games like Harry Potter 1 and 2, Tank Racer or Star Wars: Dark Forces easily. Testing those games on "modern" setup is pointless...when Vista Aero eats all GPU power. 😅
this is the only time that intergrated graphics will be the better option
I had a card similar to that back in ‘98, paired with a VooDoo for the proper 3D stuff.
Honestly back in the Win 9x days having a display adapter with an 8 megabyte frame buffer, for 2D/Windows stuff, would’ve been really nice.
Like you say pre-2000 games it’ll be fine, when installed on period correct hardware. It should play nice with Doom and Duke 3D for example.
Back then there were many gaming VGA manufacturers like S3, 3dfx, ATI, Matrox and more.
People used mostly 14-15 inch CRT monitors so 8MB video RAM were sufficient.
yeah before 16bit color got ditched by windows 10🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@raven4k998fuck windows 10
i fell of my chair laughing when you showed "it was essentially the gt710 of 1998" with that face
When I made that connection I also couldn't stop laughing. 😂
You guys are punks. I used to love Dawid, but since he has made fun constantly of not just my graphics card, but my inability to buy a better one, I hate him! Im on a disability pension. I wish I could afford better! Were not all DAWID who gets his stuff for free cos we all stupidly watch his videos.
@@SeverusStudios1980 1st off, he doesnt make fun of you if you cant afford a better graphics card. I cant remember a Video where he said something like: haha you cant afford a NEW graphics card. And im Sure he would NOT make fun of somebody because of this.
2nd: he doesnt get parts for free all the time. So for you to say he gets stuff for free all the time is not correct.
@@SeverusStudios1980 Hey Daniel,
Im sorry to hear that your are offended. I am joking in these videos and I understand that everyone has different access to hardware. All hardware is beautiful and if what you have plays the games that you want to play. Then that's the only thing that matters.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff yeah, i used to play on a 14 year old laptop with a Single core CPU and no gpu and it was a BAD System, but i had fun, and thats what matters
Since was born too late to have ever used a PCI graphics accelerators, I always wondered why some boards still have PCI slots, until I learned that now these are usually used my engineers to diagnose errors and hardware problems.
I was waiting for a RUclips video test
I am amazed that Amazon posted this card. I could expect Ebay listings, for vintage hardware is significant today and quite pricey actually. Heck, try to pick up a used, vintage Voodoo graphics card today.
I am amazed he didn't try crypto currency mining with them for the lulz
Intel HD graphics: finally an opponent I can beat
Intel hd will be rtx 3090 sli to this
HD graphics beat gt 710:) dude
@@Birdman._. ati rage xl is worse than nvidia first gpu i think lol
Because Intel HD is much newer, it was first introduced in the late 2000's while this GPU was released in 1998
@@KiddyParkerz I thought he had managed to get his hands on an Intel i740. Those were by far the worst graphics cards ever made. I take it that there were none on Amazon though.
To use some VERY rough numbers, I found synthetic benchmarks for the Rage XL on Hardware Museum (2.8). I also found a value for the Radeon 7500 (48.3). That's important, because you can find the Radeon 7500 on a more modern benchmark, like Passmark, where it gets a 3. It's worth noting, the $125 RX 570 has a Passmark benchmark of 6967. Using the Radeon 7500 as a scaling benchmark (the Rage XL is 5.8% of the Radeon 7500), that means we can rough out the Rage XL's Passmark at 0.2. This makes the RX 570 (a good value card, but still a value card) almost 35000 times more powerful than the Rage XL. Even the lowly GF 710 gets a Passmark of 621, or 3100 times more powerful, just to give an idea of scale. Not sure why I felt the need to work this out, but I did.
you cannot compare it like that. sorry to tell you.
@@warrax111 As I said, those are VERY rough numbers- a full recognition that benchmarks are not reality. Do you have a better way of modeling the differences between the items in question?
@@annagramgaming8934 Yes, it's uncomperable. You are trying compare, what cannot be numbered.
those are different technologies, platforms.
Newer cards have lots of features, supports higher versions of directX, etc.
You can compare only cards from about same era, that can be said "this card is 150% faster, this card is 350% faster, etc...).
But cards from over 10 or 20 years, not.
@@warrax111 I guess I have to repeat this because you are incapable of reading. It's a VERY (caps every fucking time) rough comparison. So thank you for observing the obvious about the nature of these kinds of issues. Now for the part you ran away from: Can you offer any kind of way of doing this better? Or are you just looking for a chance to snark about something offered as VERY rough and pretend that wasn't said EVERY time?
i need you to look at the ciciglow graphics card. it is just in a league of its own, all the way at the bottom.
I honestly have no idea why I keep fucking binging your videos. But it's honestly the best XD
Nobody in 1998 said: Got my new Rage XL, love the framerate boost in Rogue.
0x0000007b on XP means you have enabled AHCI in BIOS and didn't load drivers. Try enabling IDE mode
Well... i had an apu that can‘t even handle agario, a 2d circle game .-.
XD
Title:the slowest video card
My video card: im finna end this whole video card career
Somehow, this card is older than a Pentium 3 system I recently acquired. I managed to get a card for it with AGP and 3D acceleration for like $10 since the card that came in it was almost like this with no 3D acceleration whatsoever. Direct3D did not work at all until I got the other card, which is a bit newer than rest of the system, but it works just fine for what I use it for. It’s kinda ironic seeing that card have extra headroom over the rest of the system.
*Rings tech Support*
Client: My Rage XL Video Card struggles running Windows
Tech support guy: Did you try turning it 180°?
In the right vintage build this would probably be pretty good. Had some rudimentary 3d acceleration functions, but was basically a 2d card, right?
Really needs to be attached to a 3DFX. This is 95/98 era tech.
It depends on the voodoo card
Omfg i actually had this card back in like 2017 in an old server i found in the trash, i remember searching for W7 drivers and seeing these 10 year old threads (2008) already calling this card old and obsolete lmaoo
XP drivers will install in Windows 7 32bit. (Vista as well). They may work in Windows 10 32bit but I've not tried it. (You may need to run the OS in unsigned driver mode since XP drivers were not usually signed)
I unironically purchased this card for a NAS that couldn't boot in headless mode. Totally worth it.
9:11 Dawid's next video "I try to SLI 3x Rage XL's"
Do a x16 sli with These, that might be doing something at least 😂
0:08 I can see the Gpu I am saving up for to put in a pc. (hint: it has a yellow box)
Don't get it trust me. I have the slightly better one (3GB model) and even though I can play some modern games, you would be much bettee off just saving up for an RX5500 XT. I know its a lot cheaper but its not even on a comparable level of performance.
“Old monitor with VGA”
Me: Has VGA on my monitor and uses DVI on my 1680 x 1050 monitor
Lmao same
sometimes there are industrial uses for old hardware like this, i gave away some old stuff to a guy who needed it for an old pc that was used to run a machine with windows 95
Man, I never noticed when we stopped using the term video card and now called graphics cards instead. I remember calling them video cards all the time, but I guess when their focus shifted from just displaying images to rendering games and videos I guess that's when it happened.
in my country we still call them video cards
Windows XP might not work due to you trying to use AHCI instead of IDE, AHCI wont work if you dont have drivers
Also windows xp doesn't include a built in sata driver, it will absolutely error out if you don't install a sata driver upon setup
A Rage XL chip usually used in server motherboards as just a display output. That's kinda the reason it exists at all :D
Wait since when did you hit 100k congrats lol
Thanks! I just got the play button and I am super excited about it. 😁
@@DawidDoesTechStuff love u
Try an s3 virge, great 2D video quality, probably the slowest 3d card ever made. I mean, what do you expect it came out in 1995.
I love how it is called rage "XL" when it is so small lmao
3:40 vga isn't limited to 1600x1200
Not the vga , its the card
@@redtrexmedia He said "because it's got vga it's max resolution is limited to 1600x1200" so he was talking about vga not the card
The cards limits are at 1600x1200 and 16bit colors
"If that's something that you're into"
LGR Fans: *YES*
8:58 I laughed way to hard on this XD
I can't count how many times one of those ATI Rage XL pci video cards have saved my ass. At one time I had salvaged a small stack of them and they enabled me to build and learn alot about older machines back when I got started. I think I still have one around as my saving grace for whenever I play around with my oldies. Reliable af.
prebuilt gaming pcs on amazon:
I had a Rage Pro back in the day, with the memory expansion.
It was my 2d card to my voodoo2
You've beaten me hands down. My ''worst'' gpu is a Voodoo 3000 16 MB
Mom can we get a pc. Mom : we have a pc at home , the pc at home:
@@lowsanti5860.
7:43
Thats why you are supposed to keep a hard drive with Xp, 7 , Vista and Linux either with dualboot or on separete hdds
If you're using a SATA drive make sure that you have set to ATA or Compatibility Mode in the BIOS, as AHCI won't work with anything older than Vista. If you plan on using AHCI you must either slipstream SATA AHCI drivers or use Vista/7 as they will run XP drivers.
Was planning to buy this as an upgrade to a POS system with a 450Mhz AMD CPU, but holy hell this is worse then I thought...
Thanks for saving my wallet XD
Haha!! That may actually be an interesting use case for it though. But yeah you can get something better. 😁
AMD 450 good chip noob give it a GF3 ti 200
Even in the era when a K6-2 450 was a popular CPU, the Rage XL was garbage. I think I was running a Voodoo3 3500TV back in those days, although I actually had the K6-III 450. Later on, I upgraded to a GF2 GTS.
A working system with K6-2 or K6-III on a Super Socket 7 motherboard would be far more valuable nowadays (as a retro machine) than a Rage card, especially a low-end XL model. Coupled with a Voodoo3 or GeForce, the machine would be perfect for just about any game in mid to late 1990s. Rage was not quite an opponent to Voodoo or GeForce; only until Radeon had ATi gotten some foothold on 3D gaming.
For the period-correct solution a Voodoo 3 would really be a proper choice, but for that POS usage the question comes up, does it have AGP? If yes, something like a old Radeon 9200/9250 or Geforce 4 MX could do the job. for PCI even something like a Rage 128 or Riva TNT would be worlds better.
discord notification is faster than the RUclips one, I am even faster than the notification squad, I’m a proud member of of the discord notification squad
Discord squad is life! 😁
**sad geforce 2 noises**
GTS, Pro, Ti or Ultra? pls tell me it's nmot a crappy MX.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Oi Mx's are not that bad, i have 2mx/400 which runs half life 1 quite well
@@AveragePootis oh the mx was not completely bad. gf 2 mx were okay and gf 4 mx were sour because of lack of feature support. and some of them were actually faster than the fx 5200
@@HappyBeezerStudios
I had both gf2 mx400 and gf4 mx440. Poor man choice at that time but with CRT playing on lower resolution was not such a big problem like today on LCD screens and nobody care about framerates at that time. If you can find settings that give you playable game you were happy, simpler times. Lack of shader support was bigger issue with mx440, not at a time when I buy it but soon enough all games demanded hardware support.
I still have both cards somewhere in a box with rest of old parts but not my original cards, I probably sold these long time ago.
The title was cut off, and I was excited about the prospect that you might have scored an S3 Virge, my first 3D "accelerator" card
When I was a student I had an ATi Rage 128, 8MB in my gateway PC. I played The Sims, Monster truck madness 2, StarCraft, Need for Speed Hot Pursuit. Fun times. Then one of the 2MB chips died and it started artefacting in 3D mode. I still keep it to this day, poor thing.
This video card/gpu was one of most common to find in servers at time. Often integrated straight to motherboard (ati xl was used like that for years). Still there was more funny things that should be 3d capable yet sucked compared even to rage xl... like SIS... lol. Have 8mb sis agp card that somehow manages to stay on par with 4mb pci rage 2 at best XD Edit: Recheked, even have some P4 prescott server boards with ati xl on board :) Also, You didn't try cryptomining on this?? Why? It would show You hashrates You never imagined possible :P
Schools be like: I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK!
Can't be having them kids playing games now! Besides no one needs more than 640 pixels anyway!
@@Raletia LOL
My first computer came with one of these integrated to the main board. Yeah I updated to a Geforce card right away. A Guillemot's Hercules 3D Prophet DDR-DVI with 32mb of ram for $319. What an upgrade!
6:30 you need to slipstream sata drivers on the xp iso image
or change the drive mode from sata to ahci or ide
Me: Mom i need a graphics card
Mom: we have graphics card at home
Schools: I’ll take your entire stock!
Believe it or not a ton of servers still rock this chip as part of their remote control/video out. That’s why you can get it running at all in win 10. Also this thing can be overclocked with powerstrip. I used to have mine clocked at 100 mhz
this is making my laptop seem like some sort of scrap metal compiled together
Cool. Now try to play cyberpunk 2077 on max graphics with it and see how long it runs. I bet 21 nano-seconds.
Very interesting. I like the old stuff.