Battery life etc is nice, but what I really do like with e-ink, is that core principle of reflecting light instead of generating it while fighting the ambiant light. A nice comparison between an iPad and an e-ink device would be outside in broad intense daylight where the advantages of e-ink would show.
@@JohnDoe-el5ir blue light is a characteristic of LED monitors. For those who have Computer Vision Syndrome, dry eyes, migraines, among other complaints, having this monitor is very useful.
Both are for very different things: - (O)LED on Android or iOS tablets is good for everything (but long reading, long writing, long note taking/drawing) - e-ink (color or note) is fabulous for long reading/writing, long note taking/drawing. I have the Boox Ultra (by the way, the autorotation doesn't work after sleep, ATM they still didn't fix it...) and it's a pleasure to read, work long, the eyes aren't tied at all. The thing is, I still have to have my Tab S6 Lite because it's a "can do all" product, but I can't read, write or sketch long on an LCD-DISPLAY. On an e-ink, as long as I want.
@@daniloteixeira7444it has to do with emissive versus Reflective and panel nature: - to emit light, light sources usually flicker and have too much blue light wave, which is bad for the eyes - most good panels refresh dynamically (flicker) from 1 to 120 times/ second. It is smooth but flicker that amount of times. It is not as comfortable as an e-ink - e-ink reflect natural light (they also have light sources but they are reflected, a little bit different) and refresh ONLY when needed. If you are reading a page for 15 seconds, it won't flicker/ refresh, only on the page turn. Great. At the end of the day, it is much better for the eyes and battery life. To sum up: e-ink if you do something long and want it to be easy on the eyes; upside, long battery life. Other screens for anything else. I use my Ultra to have a full tablet, easy on the eyes and in can read websites, watch some short video, etc.. For rich colors (watch images, videos, paint) I use my Tab S6 Lite
Its also pretty useless everyone writes on these like a kindergartener. I whish one, out of all videos, showed an actual full page of notes and their experence writing it.
When I write with my Apple Pencil, the slippery nature of it makes me feel like I have to write faster than I normally would. It’s sort of like walking down a hill where you don’t have full control of how big your steps are and it feels awkward.
Great comparison. Also a good opportunity window to compare color e-ink with color RLCD, especially wth Eyemoo's tablet (already reviewed by the channel) currently in a Kickstarter.
There's a lot of talk in this video about the great battery-charge life of the Tab Ultra C without any actual demonstration of that. I've heard reports that the battery-charge life on the Tab Ultra C isn't all that great, apparently having something to do with it having a GPU. I only really want the Tab Ultra C to read, take notes, and to draft. I won't be watching videos whatsoever. I need the color when reading scientific texts with charts that use color for discrimination. That's almost about it. I think I'd only ever get the Tab Ultra C over the iPad if the Tab Ultra C battery charge lasted a week or more. Unfortunately, the Onyx return policy isn't so great as to let you buy and then return if you're not satisfied.
i am at that dilemma with the prices of these e-ink devices its hard to justify the purchase when its near the price of an ipad air in some cases, sure the pen is more expensive but it is a one time purchase and the added bonus is that the ipad can do much much more, and will keep having software updates, for how many years will onyx or bigme keep churning updates for their devices? what will happen to all those google play store enabled android 11 devices when we hit android 15 (given that we are already in 13), if they cost the same you are getting a shorter life span in one device compared to the other, with less capabilities
Yeah for sure, but that's like saying a pair of Jordans on eBay is the same price as a used car, they can't be compared Epaper is not lcd, LCD is not epaper
@@goodereader they are all paid with money, we shouldnt compare on technology but in usability, the e-ink is niche it should cost less because it cant compete with the ipad for the mainstream people maybe it is hard to hear that, because you have a vested interest in the opposite.
Quite the opposite. Because it is niche, it is more expensive, niche things are more expensive because there's less demand. You can get tablets as cheap as $9 on wish, That's because there's 200,000 companies on Earth making LCD LED tablets But there's literally one company in the entire world that makes e-paper display panels
How much worse is the writing on the Tab Ultra C compared with other (colour) e-ink devices? The 'almost paper-like' writing is important for me and one major selling point of e-ink devices, imo. I guess if the writing feel of the Ultra C is only marginally better than writing on a standard screen glass tablet, I will have to wait longer for my dream note-taking device (coloured e-ink with almost paper-like writing feel and modern Android).
the boox tab ultra and ultra C have a pretty smooth and slippery surface. not as slippery as the ipad though. I have never tried the supernote or remarkable. I have used the fujistu quaderno A5, that one feels more like paper low slip. BUT functionality, if you want a multipurpose unit, the boox is the way to go for epaper.
The battery will "last until the dinosaurs come back"? Seriously? I own a BOOX Tab X and even if I turn off WLAN, Bluetooth, and the backlight, the battery lasts less than 20 hours. It still consumes around 300mA/h. The tablet is equipped with a 6300mA battery, so it can last logically around 21 hours. If what you are saying is a truth, Onyx has improved drastically the battery consumption of the E-Ink tablets.
We're saying it as a generality. Out of the 50 plus manufacturers in the e-reader world, many of them simply just have the screen stained as the last image used and remain like that
I've considered buying an iPad every year. And every year I buy a new ereader instead. Goes to show there is a market. Mainly those of us looking to get away from social media and distractions. Focus is the name of the game.
There is no comparison, an e ink is a companion type device, i will get my Boox ultra c in a week from amazon, i have the remarkable 2 love it, had the scripe returned it, very limited software on the kindle, basically making it usless for notes,
@@ryanhimmelblau534 its indisputable, backlights in devices are directly leading to a rise in vision loss, as it shines bright light directly into the retina. You can also read with way lower levels of light with epaper (just make sure its enough light that you aren't straining). Arguably its the no.1 reason to read using epaper and the reason for its invention
Hello everyone, I am currently on the lookout for a digital device that can serve as a replacement for my laptop, computer, or tablet, without causing strain or discomfort to my eyes and head during extended use. Through my research, I have identified two technologies that seem to fulfill this requirement: R-lcd and E-Ink. However, I am open to being corrected if there are other suitable options available. In my quest for the ideal device, I have established the following criteria: 1. Internet access: The device should enable me to fully enjoy the benefits of the digital world. 2. Comfortable usage: I am seeking a device that I can comfortably work on and view for extended periods. 3. Reduced reliance on traditional computers/tablets: Ideally, the device should minimize the need for a regular computer or tablet for work, information consumption, and productivity purposes. While video playback is not crucial, it would be a bonus. After extensive browsing and watching various videos, I have come across several options that might be suitable, varying in terms of price: 1. Color E-ink tablets, such as Onyx Tab Ultra C or BigMe. 2. B&W E-ink Big Tablets, like Onyx boox max Lumi or tab X. 3. Lenovo Twist models that combine E-ink and OLED. 4. A separate screen that supports either of these technologies. Considering cost-effectiveness for my current needs, I am inclined towards two options: a) Onyx Tab X or Lumi, due to their larger screens suitable for work. I may consider attaching a smaller tablet for content consumption, such as reading, in the future. or b) Onyx Tab Ultra C or BigMe, as they offer color support, which can be advantageous. However, I have discovered some drawbacks associated with these models as well. I would greatly appreciate your input and opinions on this matter. Additionally, I have a couple of questions: 1. Where is the recommended place to purchase these products? Should I buy them immediately or wait for a specific timeframe or purchase exclusively from the official store? 2. If you have any other product recommendations that align with my requirements, I would welcome your suggestions. Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Battery life etc is nice, but what I really do like with e-ink, is that core principle of reflecting light instead of generating it while fighting the ambiant light. A nice comparison between an iPad and an e-ink device would be outside in broad intense daylight where the advantages of e-ink would show.
Even in an indoor environment, electronic paint has one big advantage: it doesn't emit a flickering blue light that gives you a headache and eye pain.
@@daniloteixeira7444never had any and don’t know anyone that had. Can you describe this phenomena?
@@JohnDoe-el5ir blue light is a characteristic of LED monitors. For those who have Computer Vision Syndrome, dry eyes, migraines, among other complaints, having this monitor is very useful.
Both are for very different things:
- (O)LED on Android or iOS tablets is good for everything (but long reading, long writing, long note taking/drawing)
- e-ink (color or note) is fabulous for long reading/writing, long note taking/drawing.
I have the Boox Ultra (by the way, the autorotation doesn't work after sleep, ATM they still didn't fix it...) and it's a pleasure to read, work long, the eyes aren't tied at all.
The thing is, I still have to have my Tab S6 Lite because it's a "can do all" product, but I can't read, write or sketch long on an LCD-DISPLAY. On an e-ink, as long as I want.
@@daniloteixeira7444it has to do with emissive versus Reflective and panel nature:
- to emit light, light sources usually flicker and have too much blue light wave, which is bad for the eyes
- most good panels refresh dynamically (flicker) from 1 to 120 times/ second. It is smooth but flicker that amount of times. It is not as comfortable as an e-ink
- e-ink reflect natural light (they also have light sources but they are reflected, a little bit different) and refresh ONLY when needed. If you are reading a page for 15 seconds, it won't flicker/ refresh, only on the page turn. Great. At the end of the day, it is much better for the eyes and battery life.
To sum up: e-ink if you do something long and want it to be easy on the eyes; upside, long battery life. Other screens for anything else. I use my Ultra to have a full tablet, easy on the eyes and in can read websites, watch some short video, etc.. For rich colors (watch images, videos, paint) I use my Tab S6 Lite
The problem with videos like this one is that it's hard to see the benefits of an eink screen while watching a video of one on an LCD or Oled
True ahhaha
Its also pretty useless everyone writes on these like a kindergartener. I whish one, out of all videos, showed an actual full page of notes and their experence writing it.
Would have been nice to see more of the drawing and reading options
When I write with my Apple Pencil, the slippery nature of it makes me feel like I have to write faster than I normally would. It’s sort of like walking down a hill where you don’t have full control of how big your steps are and it feels awkward.
Would a silicone nib attatchment or paper screen protector help? My hand-writing improved significantly.
@@yensteel Possibly, but I don’t like screen protectors. I’m fine with it how it is.
You can buy the paperlike screen protector,Then it is like paper!
Thanks this is helpful. I hope they come out with a 12" or larger version of the Onyx Ultra C
Great comparison. Also a good opportunity window to compare color e-ink with color RLCD, especially wth Eyemoo's tablet (already reviewed by the channel) currently in a Kickstarter.
There's a lot of talk in this video about the great battery-charge life of the Tab Ultra C without any actual demonstration of that. I've heard reports that the battery-charge life on the Tab Ultra C isn't all that great, apparently having something to do with it having a GPU. I only really want the Tab Ultra C to read, take notes, and to draft. I won't be watching videos whatsoever. I need the color when reading scientific texts with charts that use color for discrimination. That's almost about it. I think I'd only ever get the Tab Ultra C over the iPad if the Tab Ultra C battery charge lasted a week or more. Unfortunately, the Onyx return policy isn't so great as to let you buy and then return if you're not satisfied.
i am at that dilemma with the prices of these e-ink devices its hard to justify the purchase when its near the price of an ipad air in some cases, sure the pen is more expensive but it is a one time purchase and the added bonus is that the ipad can do much much more, and will keep having software updates, for how many years will onyx or bigme keep churning updates for their devices? what will happen to all those google play store enabled android 11 devices when we hit android 15 (given that we are already in 13), if they cost the same you are getting a shorter life span in one device compared to the other, with less capabilities
Yeah for sure, but that's like saying a pair of Jordans on eBay is the same price as a used car,
they can't be compared
Epaper is not lcd, LCD is not epaper
@@goodereader they are all paid with money, we shouldnt compare on technology but in usability, the e-ink is niche it should cost less because it cant compete with the ipad for the mainstream people
maybe it is hard to hear that, because you have a vested interest in the opposite.
Quite the opposite. Because it is niche, it is more expensive, niche things are more expensive because there's less demand.
You can get tablets as cheap as $9 on wish,
That's because there's 200,000 companies on Earth making LCD LED tablets
But there's literally one company in the entire world that makes e-paper display panels
@@goodereader that way you can say every poor sellers is niche
@@arangaranThat’s not how economy works. Low supply and low demand = high prices. That’s the first thing we learn in mid-school.
Can you use the Ultra C to teach by hooking it up to a projector? Does it run Powerpoint?
Yes it does run powerpoint.
Should do an iPad vs boox ultra c comparison outdoors under bright sun! 😁
How much worse is the writing on the Tab Ultra C compared with other (colour) e-ink devices? The 'almost paper-like' writing is important for me and one major selling point of e-ink devices, imo. I guess if the writing feel of the Ultra C is only marginally better than writing on a standard screen glass tablet, I will have to wait longer for my dream note-taking device (coloured e-ink with almost paper-like writing feel and modern Android).
Interested in this as well. Is there any way to make the writing better more resistent with a screen protector or something?
the boox tab ultra and ultra C have a pretty smooth and slippery surface. not as slippery as the ipad though. I have never tried the supernote or remarkable. I have used the fujistu quaderno A5, that one feels more like paper low slip. BUT functionality, if you want a multipurpose unit, the boox is the way to go for epaper.
@@faurctk0815 get a paperlike screen protector to reduce the screen glare and make it feel more like paper.
Best is the remarkable but that's what it's good at. Reading best is Kindle scribe.
Son productos diferentes. Buena esa pantalla de Eink. Me gustaría eso si que tuviese un fondo más blanco... se ve un poco oscuro.
Has onyx degraded the pen paper feel in ultra c compared to b&w ultra or it is the same glass feeling in b&w ultra too?
feels the exact same as the b&w ultra
The comments on battery life was key.
can i pair a bluetooth earphone with it?
And why my Boox Air 3C battery last only 1 day? 😱 and not more days?
There's something definitely wrong with your unit if it's only lasting a day.
Very nice comparison.😊
Honestly, even with wifi off, an e-reader does use a little bit of power for memory/cpu usage. It will die within 2-3 months if you don't charge it.
Depending on the e-reader yes. But we have had you readers that stay on and simply remain with the screen on like some early Barnes & Noble devices
Big question for me, is it IP68 rated? Really looking for a update to my Oasis with more functionality, but nothing yet...
Time for nano textured iPad Pro vs latest Color E-Ink
Part two: phones. iPhone vs the best full-android, Google Play e-ink phone (for US carriers, if possible)?
Sounds like a padi onyx review
The battery will "last until the dinosaurs come back"? Seriously? I own a BOOX Tab X and even if I turn off WLAN, Bluetooth, and the backlight, the battery lasts less than 20 hours. It still consumes around 300mA/h. The tablet is equipped with a 6300mA battery, so it can last logically around 21 hours. If what you are saying is a truth, Onyx has improved drastically the battery consumption of the E-Ink tablets.
We're saying it as a generality. Out of the 50 plus manufacturers in the e-reader world, many of them simply just have the screen stained as the last image used and remain like that
what would be the best eInk note taking tablet, if boox ultra isn't the one.
I've considered buying an iPad every year.
And every year I buy a new ereader instead.
Goes to show there is a market. Mainly those of us looking to get away from social media and distractions.
Focus is the name of the game.
There is no comparison, an e ink is a companion type device, i will get my Boox ultra c in a week from amazon, i have the remarkable 2 love it, had the scripe returned it, very limited software on the kindle, basically making it usless for notes,
Disappointing - a lot of waffle covering obvious differences but nothing in detail.
exactly !
Give mw it 😊
The Comparison We We're Waiting For, Thank You.
So What We Learn :
E Ink Tablet - Last Longer Than The Dinosaur, And Better For Eyes
Is it better for eyes? I've seen that claim a lot, but not the research to back it up.
@@ryanhimmelblau534 its indisputable, backlights in devices are directly leading to a rise in vision loss, as it shines bright light directly into the retina. You can also read with way lower levels of light with epaper (just make sure its enough light that you aren't straining).
Arguably its the no.1 reason to read using epaper and the reason for its invention
Hello everyone,
I am currently on the lookout for a digital device that can serve as a replacement for my laptop, computer, or tablet, without causing strain or discomfort to my eyes and head during extended use. Through my research, I have identified two technologies that seem to fulfill this requirement: R-lcd and E-Ink. However, I am open to being corrected if there are other suitable options available.
In my quest for the ideal device, I have established the following criteria:
1. Internet access: The device should enable me to fully enjoy the benefits of the digital world.
2. Comfortable usage: I am seeking a device that I can comfortably work on and view for extended periods.
3. Reduced reliance on traditional computers/tablets: Ideally, the device should minimize the need for a regular computer or tablet for work, information consumption, and productivity purposes. While video playback is not crucial, it would be a bonus.
After extensive browsing and watching various videos, I have come across several options that might be suitable, varying in terms of price:
1. Color E-ink tablets, such as Onyx Tab Ultra C or BigMe.
2. B&W E-ink Big Tablets, like Onyx boox max Lumi or tab X.
3. Lenovo Twist models that combine E-ink and OLED.
4. A separate screen that supports either of these technologies.
Considering cost-effectiveness for my current needs, I am inclined towards two options:
a) Onyx Tab X or Lumi, due to their larger screens suitable for work. I may consider attaching a smaller tablet for content consumption, such as reading, in the future.
or
b) Onyx Tab Ultra C or BigMe, as they offer color support, which can be advantageous. However, I have discovered some drawbacks associated with these models as well.
I would greatly appreciate your input and opinions on this matter.
Additionally, I have a couple of questions:
1. Where is the recommended place to purchase these products? Should I buy them immediately or wait for a specific timeframe or purchase exclusively from the official store?
2. If you have any other product recommendations that align with my requirements, I would welcome your suggestions.
Thank you in advance for your assistance.