Hi Nick. Your tech video's are spot on. I will be sharing 1 every day of the week next week on my OMG-RC group page on Facebook. Thank you for your inside views.
Hi Nick, yes all avaliable in UK. MB models, DMS Racing & insideline racing all stock. Corally range includes stock specific motors and Lipos aswell as Mod. Thanks.
Thanks for the review/comparison. I'm pretty pleased with the performance at my local turf track, pretty damn fast. Runs hot though compared to the Reedy 17.5 and im running a fan as well
Dylan Chadderton my temps stay consistent when I've switched between different motors. If you are running any boost or timing within your ESC, try turning one or both down by 5 and see how the temps do. I noticed on our new turf track, motors will run a little hotter and I had to turn my top speed timing down some and everything is ok
Hi Nick. Great videos, thanks so much for the info. Do you have any idea what the factory wattage spec is for the trinity horsepower? I can't seem to find it anywhere? Cheers Scott
Hello nick, your channel is awesome for learning rc settings. Can you make a video on comparaison between high kv motors VS low KV motors? Like corally 13.5 3050kv VS trackstar v2 13.5 2530kv
Hi That would be possible, when I get hold of a low KV motor. But low KV motors are normally low cost and low performance and will not perform as well as a top quality one.
Nick Adams there are some special Trinity version with low kv and Trackstar v2 are cheaper but very good for carpet racing, the 21.5t version is a beast on the track.
Hi Nick, Trying to make sense of some of these numbers (running Carpet touring car) KV and RPM seem to go down with the high Torque rotors but the High torque is definitely the rotor to have on the track. My question is, what information on these tests is actually usable? Or what are we looking for? It seems like there are too many variables to compare. Unless you put the same Rotor in 2 motors and see what has the better numbers.
Hi Comparing the motor results at the same amp draw will give you a good indication which will be better for your track. The KV, Amps and Timing are the figures you need to compare. If you have 2 motors , and you want the best torque and performance, chose the higher KV for the same or less timing at 6amps. If the timing goes above 51 degree the motor may have too much torque and will run hot if you gear for high speed.
Great video as always nick, thanks for sharing. Btw since you open them, i wanted to ask you, is there a way to know if the motor reports the temperature? im building a new setup with a serpent 4x and Sanwa Vortex v2 Esc that some motors report others dont, just wondering if this would?
Hi The Team Wave "Eclipse" motors had a temperature sensor. The temperature sensor in motors was found to be too low, and everyone turned it off in the speed control. As it would shut down at too low a temperature. Because motors can now withstand very high temperatures without failure.
Hi David yes, that's me. Been doing it since about 1978 when I started selling the Demon speed controls and then the brushed motors. Alll the best Nick
Hi Nick. That's amazing. Takes me back. brought quiet a few of your motors and speed controls. One of the first speed controllers was designed to bolt straight into the Gemini SL as I remember, but that was a long time ago, apologies if wrong. What you don't know about RC electrics!!! Love your vids on the audio gear. Thanks
Interesting, I went from a 24K 21.5 to a Monster 21.5 and found the Monster about 0.5 seconds a lap slower, after 3 runs and not even getting over 60c the inside of the stator on the Monster was flaking off and so far Trinity's customer support has been pretty poor about it.
Hi I agree. The rotor is too weak for most racing, except fast flowing tracks. I think they just wanted the highest KV If you have a 24K rotor , put that in it.
Si Trace hello, i have a corally 13.5 dynospec3.0 and have a very good Q/P but you have to shim them, to much play on the rotor. All the corally batteries aren't good at all, not powerfull and are worst than cheap batteries. Sport, extreme, and platinum are bad batteries.
After watching your videos and picking up a moto analyzer myself I tested out my 17.5 Schuur Speed V3. At 6.1amps it was pulling 3476KV with 25030rpm - average timing was 48* (47/46/50). Loud though - 105db. How does this compare to what you've been testing?
Hi Orca Blinky Blireme. Not yet. It looks the same as other recent motors with improved cooling. The double collector plate at the front. I don't see that as necessary as the single plate is easily sufficient to carry the current. Anyway, will test when it becomes available.
They have it on Teamorca.shop and is available, it's just not on the website. It's almost time to make my 2018 motor purchases so I am trying to narrow it down
Hi Ryan I have tested on a different analyzers and found the timing is repeatable and the same values.between units, and conclude that the timing measurement is accurate.
Hi There are many good motors, but the ones that are available in the UK, that win races are: R1, Fantom, Motiv, Muchmore etc For smaller tracks use the Motiv or Fantom V3
Nick Adams ok Thanks i Live in Austria me Friend is a Team Driver he have the monster Horses Power 13.5turn Certified because The brice from 190€ are to much for me what Motor can i Buy for a Touring car 13.5turn thx
That 24K has HORRID reviews online if you do a search, it's so bad for some reason. I'm planning on getting a Monster Horsepower which i hear only good things about and is supposed to be very fast.
Hi Dylan It depends on the size and overall speed of the track. For indoor and normal size tracks the 24K works very well. I have raced with it and against others who still use it, and it is as fast as other motors. The Revenge will have a higher top speed on tracks with long straights or mostly fast corners, but will not have the torque for twisty tracks such as indoor.
Dylan Chadderton I have the gold 17.5, very happy with mine. Temps are very low and the sensor board isn't too far apart. Trinity does have a record for putting out motors that can vary with each box on the shelf. Especially the D4. My friend got two bad ones back to back, right off the shelf
Hi Nick. Your tech video's are spot on. I will be sharing 1 every day of the week next week on my OMG-RC group page on Facebook.
Thank you for your inside views.
I have those two motors with boxes. Old now but nice cans and they still work.
Hi Nick, yes all avaliable in UK. MB models, DMS Racing & insideline racing all stock. Corally range includes stock specific motors and Lipos aswell as Mod. Thanks.
Ok, thanks.
Thanks for the review/comparison. I'm pretty pleased with the performance at my local turf track, pretty damn fast. Runs hot though compared to the Reedy 17.5 and im running a fan as well
Dylan Chadderton my temps stay consistent when I've switched between different motors. If you are running any boost or timing within your ESC, try turning one or both down by 5 and see how the temps do. I noticed on our new turf track, motors will run a little hotter and I had to turn my top speed timing down some and everything is ok
Keep up the great informative reviews!
Great review. Still deciding between the trinity revenge motor and schuur speed motor. Both 17.5. I am running a team losi 22 short course 3.0.
Hi
I would use the one with more torque than revs.
have not tested the Schuur, so cannot say.
Nick Adams more torque makes sense for that truck. Thanks for the reply
Hi Nick. Great videos, thanks so much for the info. Do you have any idea what the factory wattage spec is for the trinity horsepower? I can't seem to find it anywhere? Cheers Scott
Hello nick, your channel is awesome for learning rc settings. Can you make a video on comparaison between high kv motors VS low KV motors? Like corally 13.5 3050kv VS trackstar v2 13.5 2530kv
Hi
That would be possible, when I get hold of a low KV motor.
But low KV motors are normally low cost and low performance and will not perform as well as a top quality one.
Nick Adams there are some special Trinity version with low kv and Trackstar v2 are cheaper but very good for carpet racing, the 21.5t version is a beast on the track.
Hi Nick, Trying to make sense of some of these numbers (running Carpet touring car) KV and RPM seem to go down with the high Torque rotors but the High torque is definitely the rotor to have on the track. My question is, what information on these tests is actually usable? Or what are we looking for? It seems like there are too many variables to compare. Unless you put the same Rotor in 2 motors and see what has the better numbers.
Hi
Comparing the motor results at the same amp draw will give you a good indication which will be better for your track.
The KV, Amps and Timing are the figures you need to compare.
If you have 2 motors , and you want the best torque and performance, chose the higher KV for the same or less timing at 6amps.
If the timing goes above 51 degree the motor may have too much torque and will run hot if you gear for high speed.
Great video as always nick, thanks for sharing.
Btw since you open them, i wanted to ask you, is there a way to know if the motor reports the temperature? im building a new setup with a serpent 4x and Sanwa Vortex v2 Esc that some motors report others dont, just wondering if this would?
Hi
No, there is no temp sensor.
Nick Adams thanks for the information. In your experience with all engines you test, have you seen a brand that has temp sensors?
Hi
The Team Wave "Eclipse" motors had a temperature sensor.
The temperature sensor in motors was found to be too low, and everyone turned it off in the speed control. As it would shut down at too low a temperature. Because motors can now withstand very high temperatures without failure.
Hi Nick, Were you Demon Products back in the day?
Hi David
yes, that's me.
Been doing it since about 1978 when I started selling the Demon speed controls and then the brushed motors.
Alll the best
Nick
Hi Nick. That's amazing. Takes me back. brought quiet a few of your motors and speed controls. One of the first speed controllers was designed to bolt straight into the Gemini SL as I remember, but that was a long time ago, apologies if wrong. What you don't know about RC electrics!!! Love your vids on the audio gear. Thanks
Hi David
Yes, I still have my Gemini with that speed control on it.
So is the 17.5 is it good Raceing motor
Hehe, so THAT's how Nick knows his stuff!
Any chance of doing a review on The Certified series of these motors?
Hi Paul
I would like to test the Certified, but it is not available here in the UK.
I will if I get one.
Nice work!!!! RCFL BROTHER
hi Nick, have you done any testing on hobbywing motors? more specifically the hobbywing bandit 17.5 outlaw edition.
Hi Uriah
Sorry, no. The Bandit Outlaw is not available in the UK from the HobbyWing distributor.
Interesting, I went from a 24K 21.5 to a Monster 21.5 and found the Monster about 0.5 seconds a lap slower, after 3 runs and not even getting over 60c the inside of the stator on the Monster was flaking off and so far Trinity's customer support has been pretty poor about it.
Hi
I agree.
The rotor is too weak for most racing, except fast flowing tracks.
I think they just wanted the highest KV
If you have a 24K rotor , put that in it.
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Nick, could you do a review on the new Corally motors and/or Lipos?
Hi Si
I will if I can get them in the UK
Si Trace hello, i have a corally 13.5 dynospec3.0 and have a very good Q/P but you have to shim them, to much play on the rotor. All the corally batteries aren't good at all, not powerfull and are worst than cheap batteries. Sport, extreme, and platinum are bad batteries.
Hi Si
I will , if I can get hold of them.
I've heard the new rotor is longer than the 24k rotor. Can you check that measurement?
Hi Mike
The rotor magnet length
TEP1112 24.28mm (Turquoise) 24K
TEP1118 25.17mm (Black) Revenge
So yes it is longer
Do you know if this is 2 pole or 4
The newer ones are supposed to be really good but are quite expensive!
After watching your videos and picking up a moto analyzer myself I tested out my 17.5 Schuur Speed V3. At 6.1amps it was pulling 3476KV with 25030rpm - average timing was 48* (47/46/50). Loud though - 105db.
How does this compare to what you've been testing?
Hi Todd
That's a flying machine.
And loud as a jet.
Standard
What's your favorite 17.5 motor for 2wd buggy? It would be for a small indoor clay track.
Hi
Probably the new Fantom V2T. It has stong magnet and good stator and design to minimise heating.
Yup, Fantom motors are really nice but can get a bit pricey!
Have you got your hands on the new orca Blinky motor yet? They are really hoping the power so I am seriously curious.
Hi
Orca Blinky Blireme.
Not yet.
It looks the same as other recent motors with improved cooling.
The double collector plate at the front. I don't see that as necessary as the single plate is easily sufficient to carry the current.
Anyway, will test when it becomes available.
They have it on Teamorca.shop and is available, it's just not on the website. It's almost time to make my 2018 motor purchases so I am trying to narrow it down
Hi, Nick. What meter do you use to test the resistance of the windings?
Hi Kyle
It is a RS low Ohmeter Type M210.
I have had it about 35 years, and no longer available.
I am sure the Chinese make a cheap copy by now.
Nick, is this a very good motor for 2wd buggy blinky class?
Hi Phil
The rotor is not high torque, so will depend on if you prefer high rev motors.
I would use the previous Revtech 24k or Trinity D4.
I just got the Max 13,5 (#TEP1505)
given the tolerances of the gforce/sky rc motor analyzer is the timing even worth testing? Is'nt the tolerance +- 4 degrees per ABC?
Hi Ryan
I have tested on a different analyzers and found the timing is repeatable and the same values.between units, and conclude that the timing measurement is accurate.
@nick adams have you done these tests on a team powers actinium v2? Update: Found one
Hi Yes
Look at this one:
ruclips.net/video/ev8dYxtuGLc/видео.html
Hi nick, can I use a power supply instead of a battery pack to power up my GForce analyzer ?
Hi George
Only if you can set the voltage to 8.4 max. and 10amps minimum.
It may work at 12volts, but it may also burn out.
Hi nick just a stupid question, how exactly much was the motor you just reviewed?
And how many cells does it have
Hi
In the UK they cost £90, same as other top competition motors such as R1 and Zombie etc.
Thanks
What is whit Certified Brushless Motors is this Stronger Or better
Hi
The certified are supposed to be better, but your one could be as good.
Hi what is The best 13.5turn Brushless motor thx
Hi
There are many good motors, but the ones that are available in the UK, that win races are:
R1, Fantom, Motiv, Muchmore etc
For smaller tracks use the Motiv or Fantom V3
Nick Adams ok Thanks i Live in Austria me Friend is a Team Driver he have the monster Horses Power 13.5turn Certified because The brice from 190€ are to much for me what Motor can i Buy for a Touring car 13.5turn thx
Great video... but I just this exact video on someone else's channel
ruclips.net/video/m2pY1Llj_ZA/видео.html
I think this is the link to the video that rips off from this video
That 24K has HORRID reviews online if you do a search, it's so bad for some reason. I'm planning on getting a Monster Horsepower which i hear only good things about and is supposed to be very fast.
Hi Dylan
It depends on the size and overall speed of the track.
For indoor and normal size tracks the 24K works very well.
I have raced with it and against others who still use it, and it is as fast as other motors.
The Revenge will have a higher top speed on tracks with long straights or mostly fast corners, but will not have the torque for twisty tracks such as indoor.
Dylan Chadderton I have the gold 17.5, very happy with mine. Temps are very low and the sensor board isn't too far apart. Trinity does have a record for putting out motors that can vary with each box on the shelf. Especially the D4. My friend got two bad ones back to back, right off the shelf
Great videos btw, curious have you done a video on the effects of mechanical timing has on motors overall performance??
Hi I did a video on the 13.5T dyno test .
It shows the effect of changing the timing.
ruclips.net/video/UyWDsXNRvWE/видео.html