Hi Pascal. There are very few new motors for 2020 at this time. Probably be nearer the middle of the year before we have a few to test. Hopefully the virus will be over by then. Stay safe. Nick
Hi, The top racers will always get the best, so we will always be in 2nd place. But you can get lucky and get a good one , tune it and go as well. Race on and stay safe. Nick
Very informative and probably solidified my Decision in buying the X factor because I race on a very tight carpet track with a short course truck. Thank you very much and do you have any recommendation for bearing oil for bearing oil and if the ceramic bearings in the certified motors make much of a difference
Loving to honest detail level you go to with your review videos Nick! 👍 I am getting back into 1/10th TC after a lengthy hiatus. Having never delved into the brushless world before - my last motor was in fact a Demon Power Modified Quad wind motor back in the day! - I have picked up a used 2018 T4 to get back into it. I want to be competitive so like the sound of the Fantom 13.5T. The car comes with some fairly new 6000MaH 150c stick lipos which is handy. What considerations do I need to make for selecting an ESC to go with the 13.5 Fantom? Keep up the good work. Cheers, Gareth
Hi Gareth. Most use the Hobbywing ESC as they always deliver. Most buy the best ESC as it should last years as they do not go out of performance, like motors.
@@nickadams5411 Thanks Nick. I'm going to plump for the XR10 stock spec 80amp esc with the fantom 13.5 motor. Just need to figure out gearing next 🤔 There's an 82 spur on it at the moment.
@@jonesyxr Hi Gareth. A 13.5T blinky motor. The FDR will depend on the track size and indoor or outside. If you go for a FDR of 5. Then with a 82 spur the pinion will be 31. Race on.
@@nickadams5411 The Colchester track says "On-Road track is 35 x 40m" but the Ipswich one is about half the size. Is there resource you know of online to figure the gearing out?
@@jonesyxr I don't know of a resource for FDR v track calculation. There is a gear chart. Normally you have to ask a club member for the FDR, but many racers will not say or give a false number. It will also vary depending on your motor and the timing setup. If your car is slow then the temperature of the motor can be an indication. If it is only warm, then it needs to work harder. If it is too hot to touch, then the gearing will need to raise the FDR
Very impressed by the content of your reviews. I've learned a lot watching a few of them now. A great thanks for your work... I'm planning to use a V5R 13.5T on 3S batteries for outdoor racing, would you think it's fine to do so?
@@nickadams5411 thanks mate. Yes temps check is basic routine. For that particular matter the open design they offer looks attractive to me. As well as potentially being a weak point too, by letting dust and foreign objects like small stones getting in. That's why I checked with you for outdoor using. Cheers 👍
thx for testing Nick, do you have some pan car 1:12 tips or hints for us please, indoor season is comming ;))) --set low tiiming with low setting amps 4 amp ?? --thank you
Hi Harald. I normally set the motor to 6amp with a 2S lipo, and it is good for 1S LMP. The rollout will be between 74 and 76, or down to 68 for a very small track. Some racers turn the timing down to 40degrees and then use a larger pinion.
Wow . thank you for doing all this ... wish every manufacturer would send you there motor for true Test values . I've seen some insane pricing on certain motors and would be curious to see if the performance meets the Price tag.
Hi Killah. Thanks for your kind feedback. I buy all the motors tested, so they are the same as what you can buy. Some motors are not available here in the UK, so I cannot test them. Racers I know, who do very well in top A finals use the regular shop bought motors, so I would say that spending money on special selected ones is not worth it. Car setup and driving will make the biggest gain. All the best and stay safe. Nick.
Turbo on my esc only kicks in when on full throttle for more than a few seconds so as to keep the car from been uncontrollable, I aren't the most knowledgeable tho lol so some esc's might differ.
@@doylecholesterole1927 No worries I am glad to try to help and share little where I'm able. I'm just getting my head around spools and one way diffs front and centre . There's so much to get your head around in Rc lol, tonisport on RUclips is a good watch for car set up like spring rate suspension positioning and body positioning. And RUclips has some other great and information videos on electronics. But believe it or not I'm still enjoying using some brushed electronics like 14x2, 10x2, 8x3 motor's on old no limit esc's (novak, LRP) on 2s lipo and then playing with handling settings, but i do have multiple brushless esc's and motor's which are definitely more efficient and practical. Another thing to note is when racing or carpark ripping less is more, so most people will be alot faster and smoother with no turbo and lower timing settings as it's more controllerable, turbo will also help wear out belts and other components but the main disadvantage is turbo and high timing will bring the heat with them so fan's are a must for high timing and turbo settings, I do run full timing and turbo on one of my speed run cars but never use a full battery in one go/ usual allow it to cool down even with fans running on motor and esc as just to be safe and keep things running cooler and helping with wearing. Hope this helps abit until someone with more knowledge comments back and to quote one of my favourite RUclipsrs happy RC'ing (Tamiya legends).
Hi Nick, for the more current fantom 17.5s, is the weight the same for the torque spec and works edition. If so, do you know how many grams they weigh?
Hi Nick, are these motors capable of running modified settings or are these primarily for running in blinky? I have the Surpass V5R 13.5 and the guys are now interested in running with boost and turbo on, my concern is that these motors were primarily built to run stock spec = blinky imo.
Hi Nick what is the difference between the Spec & Modified motor variations in the v5r range. In the 10.5t which would have the most torque for indoor carpet racing? Thanks
Hi Nick, I have another question for you. I was wondering about the esc punch settings with regards to 13.5 blinky racing. Is it advisable to set the 1st stage and 2nd stage punch settings to max? Given that no boost or turbo timing is used in blinky racing. I'm using a skyrc tor 120a esc, the settings on that gos from very weak to very strong. I was thinking about putting both to very strong. Had a thought that the 1st stage being set to max may create a situation of added heat to the motor. With that I was wondering if being in blinky and using anything less than max wouldn't be of much help given I'm depending on the motor strength and the gearing. What are your suggestions about the punch settings in the esc for 1st and 2nd stage?
Hi Luis. Yes, the rotor weight will affect the response acceleration feel. A lightweight rotor will be more responsive at medium to high rpm. But the performance will also vary with the rotor gauss strength and dimensions. So lightweight may not any better unless it has good gauss. Modified motor rotors do not have the large non magnetic core of the SPEC rotors. Therefore they can be smaller and lighter, but with very strong gauss. They perform very well in SPEC motors, but are not legal.
Hi, Nick. The suggested motor timing for the v5r is 45dg. What I wanted to know is what's the amt beyond the 45dg setting that would return negative performance? For e.g. would a setting up to 50dg be ok? The track I race on has a long straight and I'm using 2s 120c 5200mah batteries. So I'm looking at maintaining a good pace on the straight and at the same time have the battery capacity last the 5-7mins race.
Hi Nick, love your videos and info. Much appreciated. I've had the red surpass rocket v4 version and has been a great motor. It hit 4100 KV and 32500 rpm coming off at 135 degrees. However I just got the new black V5r and it is now hitting 4000kv with 31000 RPM at 48 timing and getting very hot. Like a 170 degrees after 5 minutes. ( Not normal) My question is this, back in one your videos, and I cannot find it, you mentioned when you have a higher RPM you need to gear smaller or a bigger pinion? Right now I'm running a 23 tooth pinion with in 81 spur. (This is exactly what I ran with my red surpass rocket) Would it be smart to go to a 25 tooth pinion or 21 tooth pinion for that high 32000 rpm 4000 kv? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again.
Hi Scott. The V5R normally goes faster than the V4, on the same gearing. The KV and RPM on your down on your V5R because of a much stronger torque rotor. The temperature difference should not be that great. So a bit of a mystery. Normally, if the RPM is much higher ,then a smaller pinion may be required to prevent it bogging down. But in your case the RPM is lower, which often requires a larger pinion. But that will probably result in more heating. It depends on size of track and how many slow corners, which will heat the motor. I assume you are running Blinky mode Touring Car. Let me know. Nick
@@nickadams5411 thank you for the reply. I was able to put it on an analyzer and bring the amps down to 4 amps . I only lost 75 KV and 800 RPM dropping to 4 amps. So about 3950kv at 30000 rpm at 4 amps. Not great KV or RPM but I was able to throw a 25 tooth pinion and now it is running at 135 degrees and equivalent to my red v4s rocket. I obviously got a super Torque rotor and in return receive lower RPM. Thanks again.
Hi Nick, given this review on Surpass's latest and greatest 13.5 stock spec motor the V5R. I wanted to know if you were able to compare how it stacks up against the Trinity Revtech 13.5 motor. Where I'm from the trinity is seen as the motor to have. I wanted to know if in your opinion this stood any chance of matching or even surpassing the revtech.
Hi. The Trinity has a stronger rotor , which gives a little more power out of the corners. But there is not a big difference. On the larger tracks there is nothing in it.
Hi Nick, i need help on motor choice, im stuck between a V4S and the V5R, price wise i could get my hands on them both pretty much the same. Im looking at either a 7.5T/8.5T for 2WD schumacher offroad on astro surface med sized track, any recommendations? Are there any difference between the V4S vs V5R?
@@nickadams5411 Agreed the motor must rotate anti-clockwise from the shaft end (i meant to say CW when looking from timing end), but why has Surpass applied an arrow on this particular motor indicating clockwise (the V4 has an arrow indicating anti-clockwise)? Thoroughly confusing.
The Motiv is optimised for GT12 weight distribution. But I would probably use the Fantom Icon Torque. It is a quality version of the Surpass V5. The HobbyWing has less torque and is a lot lighter in weight, so may upset the balance. The Trinity XFactor can twist the front plate in an accident, but is also one of the best. All the best. Nick
I have an hpi flux pro that is 9 years old and want to update with a new motor. Looking for. 7.5t to run in a 2wd off road buggy. What’s the best product out there? Was going to get the surpass v5r🤔
Hi Jorge. These motors are better than the MuchMore. The titanium rotor only improves top end rpm. It is good for very large fast tracks. The three motors are for all tracks large and small, and they have better torque acceleration.
I’ve always wondered the difference between spec drift and mod. I’ve seen the V4S at 8.5 turn avail in spec mod and drift? What’s the difference? Thanks.
Hi The V5S was a short lived version of this motor and is no longer made. Surpass made a few small changes and renamed it the V5R. So the 5VR is the better motor.
It’s a shame that SMC have stopped making their Low Rider motors, I have not seen a motor with a lower resistance. Could you imagine if they produced a new motor...more power
They put out a statement on FB back in July why they were stopping making Motors. With high reving motors you just need gear it lower Here is the link - facebook.com/310025885696564/posts/2565202416845555/
@@nickadams5411 You have a shop?? Ive been watching your videos for quite some time. REally informative!! I have Surpass Motors V4R in TC and in my 4WD. Need to get one in my 17.5 buggy
Hi Nick,. Is it possible to fix a damage winding on the V5R o have had the unfortunate event where another racer lost a pinion grub screw and it kicked up and landed in the top of my motor. It has lightly damaged one winding ( damaged the ceramic insulation) it came off very hot I striped the motor to find the offending screw sat between the stators
Hi Peter. The windings must not short together. If only a small cut and is actually shorting, it is sometimes possible to carefully prise/bend the wires slightly apart , so they do not short. It all depends on how bad the damage is. Send me a photo to nick@demonproducts.co.uk
@@nickadams5411 Hi Nick,. Thanks for advice. I will send you one. But it is hard to see the full extent as the screw landed between the stator arms. I will need to get the stator out of the can to best asses the full extent however I can see it has worn away a good portion of the lead wire on one of the stator arms.
Hi Nick Do you have suggestion about the gear ratio in V5R 13.5T? I assign 5.2 as gear ratio but the motor temperature still over or close to 70deg which is still too high
Hi Steven. On thefaster tracks, racers are using 4.6 to 4.8. Is the acceleration and top speed good? If top speed is still good, then try higher FDR. Or you can reduce the endbell timing, but that is for LMP 1/12th. What is your car?
Hi @@nickadams5411 About accelearation and top speed were both not good enough if compare with other motors. I was tested in 1/10 RC. Below link is my test result for your reference. I also confirm with my friend, he has also met the same problem in V5R 13.5T. In my test result. Maybe the gear ratio assign to 4.6 is the best setting in V5R 13.5T. May I know in LMP 1/12th, are u using 1S or 2S lipo battery? docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19zJc6CJDK2pHtZGU33swNyyeqsk_bkqUlkSEpstg5vM/edit?usp=sharing
@@ShihWeiLee You are using LMP with 1S? If you are Blinky then the motor would be set at about 45 degrees and arool out of 68mm on a small track, and up to 76mm on larger tracks.
@@nickadams5411 I am using 1/10 RC, not the LMP with 1S. I am running with 2S lipo and also blinky in 13.5T. From your suggestion, are you suggesting gear ratio between 4.6 to 4.8 and motor set to about 45 degrees?
Nick, currently have an older Tekin redline G3 13.5 motor running Blinky in my B64 4wd buggy on astro turf. Looking to movr to a new xfactor or fantom icon torque motor for this season. In your opinion, will I see much improvement in performance compared to my old motor? And also if it was your choice which would you choose, the Trinity or the Fantom?
Hi My. Yes , you will see a big increase in performance, especially the bottom end torque. The extra performance will create extra heat, so check motor temperature is not too high after a run. The Xfactor has the edge, but some racers have managed to bend the front mounting when crashing heavily. If you crash a lot, then the Fantom is much more robust. Race on. Nick
Nick. Waiting for my Fantom icon motor to arrive. I went with there team works edition. Since there based in Michigan, my home state. I figured I would give them a shot. I hope to see a performance boost over my Tekin redline g3 spec-r motor I've been running for several years now
Based on the KV, they are all so close to make no difference. But based on the rotor strength I would say the Surpass would have the highest top speed, as it has the weaker rotor. But fastest in a race, the XFactor should edge it with better pull out of the corners.
Just ordered a V5R 13.5, thank you for this! I'm a bit worried about you bud. It's been some time since your last video... Prayers my friend.
Nice video Nick Adams,
I would like to know if you have plans on making a video soon on the newer motors offered in 2020.
Thanks!
Hi Pascal. There are very few new motors for 2020 at this time. Probably be nearer the middle of the year before we have a few to test. Hopefully the virus will be over by then. Stay safe. Nick
Id love to see a spread sheet of all your findings. I feel like your testing is soooo consistent and would be great to see a digital format
Hi Nick, thank you for all your work, credit to the industry. Just fitted the Surpass V5R 13.5t and it is a fantastic motor 👍⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
So, that's how they do it. These top racers have built motors using testing equipment. thank you for such detail Nick. Learned so much
Hi, The top racers will always get the best, so we will always be in 2nd place. But you can get lucky and get a good one , tune it and go as well. Race on and stay safe. Nick
@@nickadams5411hello there, in your opinion what is the best 10.5 t drag racing motor for no prep and what esc do you recommend
This guy was so intelligent I wish his family the best it's said to lose anyone
I heard this gentleman passed away...May you rest in peace
Very informative and probably solidified my Decision in buying the X factor because I race on a very tight carpet track with a short course truck. Thank you very much and do you have any recommendation for bearing oil for bearing oil and if the ceramic bearings in the certified motors make much of a difference
Loving to honest detail level you go to with your review videos Nick! 👍 I am getting back into 1/10th TC after a lengthy hiatus. Having never delved into the brushless world before - my last motor was in fact a Demon Power Modified Quad wind motor back in the day! - I have picked up a used 2018 T4 to get back into it. I want to be competitive so like the sound of the Fantom 13.5T. The car comes with some fairly new 6000MaH 150c stick lipos which is handy. What considerations do I need to make for selecting an ESC to go with the 13.5 Fantom?
Keep up the good work. Cheers, Gareth
Hi Gareth. Most use the Hobbywing ESC as they always deliver. Most buy the best ESC as it should last years as they do not go out of performance, like motors.
@@nickadams5411 Thanks Nick. I'm going to plump for the XR10 stock spec 80amp esc with the fantom 13.5 motor. Just need to figure out gearing next 🤔 There's an 82 spur on it at the moment.
@@jonesyxr Hi Gareth. A 13.5T blinky motor. The FDR will depend on the track size and indoor or outside. If you go for a FDR of 5. Then with a 82 spur the pinion will be 31. Race on.
@@nickadams5411 The Colchester track says "On-Road track is 35 x 40m" but the Ipswich one is about half the size. Is there resource you know of online to figure the gearing out?
@@jonesyxr I don't know of a resource for FDR v track calculation. There is a gear chart.
Normally you have to ask a club member for the FDR, but many racers will not say or give a false number. It will also vary depending on your motor and the timing setup. If your car is slow then the temperature of the motor can be an indication. If it is only warm, then it needs to work harder. If it is too hot to touch, then the gearing will need to raise the FDR
Very impressed by the content of your reviews. I've learned a lot watching a few of them now. A great thanks for your work... I'm planning to use a V5R 13.5T on 3S batteries for outdoor racing, would you think it's fine to do so?
Hi John. Yes , 3S is okay, but check temperature of motor and make sure it is not too hot to touch. Adjust the gearing .
@@nickadams5411 thanks mate. Yes temps check is basic routine. For that particular matter the open design they offer looks attractive to me. As well as potentially being a weak point too, by letting dust and foreign objects like small stones getting in. That's why I checked with you for outdoor using. Cheers 👍
@@johnstark8116 Hi John. Yes, you must avoid hard objects getting into the motor.
Awsome content would you consider doing a drag racing motor test considering the popularity 13.5 and outlaw motors
You need to do a 2.0 turn motor comparison, for the extremely popular street eliminator drag racing scene.
thx for testing Nick, do you have some pan car 1:12 tips or hints for us please, indoor season is comming ;))) --set low tiiming with low setting amps 4 amp ?? --thank you
Hi Harald. I normally set the motor to 6amp with a 2S lipo, and it is good for 1S LMP. The rollout will be between 74 and 76, or down to 68 for a very small track.
Some racers turn the timing down to 40degrees and then use a larger pinion.
Wow . thank you for doing all this ... wish every manufacturer would send you there motor for true Test values . I've seen some insane pricing on certain motors and would be curious to see if the performance meets the Price tag.
Hi Killah. Thanks for your kind feedback. I buy all the motors tested, so they are the same as what you can buy. Some motors are not available here in the UK, so I cannot test them. Racers I know, who do very well in top A finals use the regular shop bought motors, so I would say that spending money on special selected ones is not worth it. Car setup and driving will make the biggest gain. All the best and stay safe. Nick.
@@nickadams5411 I was thinking of the Yokomo dx1R & dx1T , ReveD absolute , Acuvance fledge . to name a few .
These things are very complexicated. Just wanna know, the ESC that comes with the V5R, it features turbo. Can you use it constantly?
Turbo on my esc only kicks in when on full throttle for more than a few seconds so as to keep the car from been uncontrollable, I aren't the most knowledgeable tho lol so some esc's might differ.
@@wayneyates700 Thanks for replying. That's ok, at least I can learn a few things from other people's experience. 👍
@@doylecholesterole1927 No worries I am glad to try to help and share little where I'm able. I'm just getting my head around spools and one way diffs front and centre . There's so much to get your head around in Rc lol, tonisport on RUclips is a good watch for car set up like spring rate suspension positioning and body positioning. And RUclips has some other great and information videos on electronics. But believe it or not I'm still enjoying using some brushed electronics like 14x2, 10x2, 8x3 motor's on old no limit esc's (novak, LRP) on 2s lipo and then playing with handling settings, but i do have multiple brushless esc's and motor's which are definitely more efficient and practical. Another thing to note is when racing or carpark ripping less is more, so most people will be alot faster and smoother with no turbo and lower timing settings as it's more controllerable, turbo will also help wear out belts and other components but the main disadvantage is turbo and high timing will bring the heat with them so fan's are a must for high timing and turbo settings, I do run full timing and turbo on one of my speed run cars but never use a full battery in one go/ usual allow it to cool down even with fans running on motor and esc as just to be safe and keep things running cooler and helping with wearing. Hope this helps abit until someone with more knowledge comments back and to quote one of my favourite RUclipsrs happy RC'ing (Tamiya legends).
Thank you so much, your work is appreciated
Hi Nick, for the more current fantom 17.5s, is the weight the same for the torque spec and works edition. If so, do you know how many grams they weigh?
So the v5r ideal timing would be at 46?
have you tested the v5r 17.5t?
Hi Nick, how do these compare to the R1 v21?
I have the R1, racing 21.5 touring cars, always looking for more performance
Hi Nick, are these motors capable of running modified settings or are these primarily for running in blinky? I have the Surpass V5R 13.5 and the guys are now interested in running with boost and turbo on, my concern is that these motors were primarily built to run stock spec = blinky imo.
Hi Nick what is the difference between the Spec & Modified motor variations in the v5r range. In the 10.5t which would have the most torque for indoor carpet racing? Thanks
Hi Nick, I have another question for you. I was wondering about the esc punch settings with regards to 13.5 blinky racing. Is it advisable to set the 1st stage and 2nd stage punch settings to max? Given that no boost or turbo timing is used in blinky racing. I'm using a skyrc tor 120a esc, the settings on that gos from very weak to very strong. I was thinking about putting both to very strong. Had a thought that the 1st stage being set to max may create a situation of added heat to the motor. With that I was wondering if being in blinky and using anything less than max wouldn't be of much help given I'm depending on the motor strength and the gearing. What are your suggestions about the punch settings in the esc for 1st and 2nd stage?
hey nick excellent review as always, does rotor weight play any part in the performance of the motor?
Hi Luis. Yes, the rotor weight will affect the response acceleration feel. A lightweight rotor will be more responsive at medium to high rpm. But the performance will also vary with the rotor gauss strength and dimensions. So lightweight may not any better unless it has good gauss. Modified motor rotors do not have the large non magnetic core of the SPEC rotors. Therefore they can be smaller and lighter, but with very strong gauss. They perform very well in SPEC motors, but are not legal.
The language is Chinglish, comes in virtually every Chinese instruction manual, very entertaining at times.
Hi, Nick. The suggested motor timing for the v5r is 45dg. What I wanted to know is what's the amt beyond the 45dg setting that would return negative performance? For e.g. would a setting up to 50dg be ok? The track I race on has a long straight and I'm using 2s 120c 5200mah batteries. So I'm looking at maintaining a good pace on the straight and at the same time have the battery capacity last the 5-7mins race.
Gear up for top end and speed. Add timming for more accleartion on straight or for a jump. Remove timming if to hard to drive on infield.
Hi Nick, love your videos and info. Much appreciated. I've had the red surpass rocket v4 version and has been a great motor. It hit 4100 KV and 32500 rpm coming off at 135 degrees. However I just got the new black V5r and it is now hitting 4000kv with 31000 RPM at 48 timing and getting very hot. Like a 170 degrees after 5 minutes. ( Not normal)
My question is this, back in one your videos, and I cannot find it, you mentioned when you have a higher RPM you need to gear smaller or a bigger pinion? Right now I'm running a 23 tooth pinion with in 81 spur. (This is exactly what I ran with my red surpass rocket) Would it be smart to go to a 25 tooth pinion or 21 tooth pinion for that high 32000 rpm 4000 kv? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again.
Hi Scott. The V5R normally goes faster than the V4, on the same gearing.
The KV and RPM on your down on your V5R because of a much stronger torque rotor.
The temperature difference should not be that great.
So a bit of a mystery.
Normally, if the RPM is much higher ,then a smaller pinion may be required to prevent it bogging down.
But in your case the RPM is lower, which often requires a larger pinion.
But that will probably result in more heating.
It depends on size of track and how many slow corners, which will heat the motor.
I assume you are running Blinky mode Touring Car.
Let me know. Nick
@@nickadams5411 thank you for the reply. I was able to put it on an analyzer and bring the amps down to 4 amps . I only lost 75 KV and 800 RPM dropping to 4 amps. So about 3950kv at 30000 rpm at 4 amps. Not great KV or RPM but I was able to throw a 25 tooth pinion and now it is running at 135 degrees and equivalent to my red v4s rocket. I obviously got a super Torque rotor and in return receive lower RPM. Thanks again.
Hi Nick, given this review on Surpass's latest and greatest 13.5 stock spec motor the V5R. I wanted to know if you were able to compare how it stacks up against the Trinity Revtech 13.5 motor. Where I'm from the trinity is seen as the motor to have. I wanted to know if in your opinion this stood any chance of matching or even surpassing the revtech.
Hi. The Trinity has a stronger rotor , which gives a little more power out of the corners. But there is not a big difference.
On the larger tracks there is nothing in it.
@@nickadams5411 Ok thanks for your reply.
Hi Nick, i need help on motor choice, im stuck between a V4S and the V5R, price wise i could get my hands on them both pretty much the same. Im looking at either a 7.5T/8.5T for 2WD schumacher offroad on astro surface med sized track, any recommendations? Are there any difference between the V4S vs V5R?
Your name sounds familiar.
Nick, any idea why the Surpass V5R has an arrow on the shaft end indicating that it rotates CCW whereas all RC touring car motors rotate CW?
Looking at the face of the end of the motor (pinion) all rotors rotate anti-clockwise.
@@nickadams5411 Agreed the motor must rotate anti-clockwise from the shaft end (i meant to say CW when looking from timing end), but why has Surpass applied an arrow on this particular motor indicating clockwise (the V4 has an arrow indicating anti-clockwise)? Thoroughly confusing.
If you have any amount of money for a really quick consistent motor for a gt12 13.5t what would you have ?
The Motiv is optimised for GT12 weight distribution.
But I would probably use the Fantom Icon Torque. It is a quality version of the Surpass V5.
The HobbyWing has less torque and is a lot lighter in weight, so may upset the balance.
The Trinity XFactor can twist the front plate in an accident, but is also one of the best.
All the best. Nick
Thanks Nick
I have an hpi flux pro that is 9 years old and want to update with a new motor. Looking for. 7.5t to run in a 2wd off road buggy. What’s the best product out there? Was going to get the surpass v5r🤔
Hi. Yes the Surpass V5R is as good as any new motor and is a good price as well. All the best and stay safe. Nick
Hi Nick, does the Fantom icon Torque motors come with tuning pins?
Hi. No, the Tuning Pins have gone. The motor was best without them . Race on. Nick
Hi Nick witch the best 13.5? Surpass Maclan Fantom Orca Trinity?🤔
I would like to tell you that the guy is already dead a year ago.
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How did he pass away?
Hi Nick, what are your thoughts between any of these 3 motors vs Muchmore Fleta v2 er with the optional titanium rotor (13.5t) ? Best regards!
Hi Jorge. These motors are better than the MuchMore. The titanium rotor only improves top end rpm. It is good for very large fast tracks. The three motors are for all tracks large and small, and they have better torque acceleration.
Thanks :)
I’ve always wondered the difference between spec drift and mod. I’ve seen the V4S at 8.5 turn avail in spec mod and drift? What’s the difference? Thanks.
Drift motors usually have a smaller / weaker rotor for less torque and more rpm.
@@DJ.1001 even at the same KV rating? Interesting. Thanks
Hi Nick, a friend just told me he's seen a V5S. Is this an upgrade to the V5R in terms of rotor to your knowledge?
Hi The V5S was a short lived version of this motor and is no longer made. Surpass made a few small changes and renamed it the V5R. So the 5VR is the better motor.
Thanks. Was curious as I didn't find it anywhere online to be bought or information to be known.
It’s a shame that SMC have stopped making their Low Rider motors, I have not seen a motor with a lower resistance. Could you imagine if they produced a new motor...more power
Hi. Not sure why SMC dropped out of the SPEC motor race. But it is difficult to gear correctly, and racers tended to overheat it.
They put out a statement on FB back in July why they were stopping making Motors.
With high reving motors you just need gear it lower
Here is the link - facebook.com/310025885696564/posts/2565202416845555/
I just ordered a surpass v5r from you
Hi William. Yes, i am sure you will race well with it.
@@nickadams5411 You have a shop?? Ive been watching your videos for quite some time. REally informative!! I have Surpass Motors V4R in TC and in my 4WD. Need to get one in my 17.5 buggy
@@trentkillingsworth Hi Trent. I am in the UK. demonproducts. All the best. Nick
Hi Nick,. Is it possible to fix a damage winding on the V5R o have had the unfortunate event where another racer lost a pinion grub screw and it kicked up and landed in the top of my motor. It has lightly damaged one winding ( damaged the ceramic insulation) it came off very hot I striped the motor to find the offending screw sat between the stators
Hi Peter. The windings must not short together. If only a small cut and is actually shorting, it is sometimes possible to carefully prise/bend the wires slightly apart , so they do not short. It all depends on how bad the damage is. Send me a photo to nick@demonproducts.co.uk
@@nickadams5411 Hi Nick,. Thanks for advice. I will send you one. But it is hard to see the full extent as the screw landed between the stator arms. I will need to get the stator out of the can to best asses the full extent however I can see it has worn away a good portion of the lead wire on one of the stator arms.
Hi Nick
Do you have suggestion about the gear ratio in V5R 13.5T? I assign 5.2 as gear ratio but the motor temperature still over or close to 70deg which is still too high
Hi Steven. On thefaster tracks, racers are using 4.6 to 4.8. Is the acceleration and top speed good? If top speed is still good, then try higher FDR. Or you can reduce the endbell timing, but that is for LMP 1/12th. What is your car?
Hi @@nickadams5411 About accelearation and top speed were both not good enough if compare with other motors. I was tested in 1/10 RC. Below link is my test result for your reference. I also confirm with my friend, he has also met the same problem in V5R 13.5T. In my test result. Maybe the gear ratio assign to 4.6 is the best setting in V5R 13.5T.
May I know in LMP 1/12th, are u using 1S or 2S lipo battery?
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19zJc6CJDK2pHtZGU33swNyyeqsk_bkqUlkSEpstg5vM/edit?usp=sharing
@@ShihWeiLee You are using LMP with 1S? If you are Blinky then the motor would be set at about 45 degrees and arool out of 68mm on a small track, and up to 76mm on larger tracks.
@@nickadams5411 I am using 1/10 RC, not the LMP with 1S. I am running with 2S lipo and also blinky in 13.5T. From your suggestion, are you suggesting gear ratio between 4.6 to 4.8 and motor set to about 45 degrees?
@@nickadams5411 BTW, what do u mean about "arool out of 68mm on a small track, and up to 76mm on larger tracks"?
Nick, currently have an older Tekin redline G3 13.5 motor running Blinky in my B64 4wd buggy on astro turf.
Looking to movr to a new xfactor or fantom icon torque motor for this season.
In your opinion, will I see much improvement in performance compared to my old motor? And also if it was your choice which would you choose, the Trinity or the Fantom?
Hi My. Yes , you will see a big increase in performance, especially the bottom end torque. The extra performance will create extra heat, so check motor temperature is not too high after a run. The Xfactor has the edge, but some racers have managed to bend the front mounting when crashing heavily. If you crash a lot, then the Fantom is much more robust. Race on. Nick
Nick. Waiting for my Fantom icon motor to arrive. I went with there team works edition. Since there based in Michigan, my home state. I figured I would give them a shot. I hope to see a performance boost over my Tekin redline g3 spec-r motor I've been running for several years now
@@efoster988 Hi My
Let me know how fast it goes. Race On. Nick
So which one is the fastest 17.5t?
Based on the KV, they are all so close to make no difference. But based on the rotor strength I would say the Surpass would have the highest top speed, as it has the weaker rotor. But fastest in a race, the XFactor should edge it with better pull out of the corners.
One of the guys i race with bent an x factor mount plate he thought it was his motor mount on his 12th scale
I have seen them (X Factor) bend in 1/12th pan cars. Possibly because the mounting contact area is so small.
Yeah he races an xray x12 2018 an it mount only on the bottom so the screws are side by side unlike the 19 an 20 were it mounts on top an bottom
A 13.5 but i didnt see that its out of stock
No, you got it.
Great Job!
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