PMDG 737-800 - Which Flaps to use for Landing | Real 737 Pilot
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2022
- The PMDG 737-800 is not too far off so let's start preparing a bit for it.
In this one let's have a look into the considerations for choosing your landing flap setting.
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I really hope the perf calc will be included in the EFB when it will be released one day. This is a must to fly realistically and should not be reqiuired to be bought externally. Otherwise, great video (as always) and great plane!
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Yeah considering many of us bought the -7 and will probably buy the -8 which is well over $100. Definitely should be included.
@@vtjake3761 it will be a free update, Don’t y’all read?
@@DanielDuhon We're specifically talking about the performance calculator, don't YOU read?
@@vtjake3761 I would hope performance calculators are included with the EFB. I came to MSFS PMDG from Xplane so I don't have any knowledge about FSX or P3D, but I don't think they had calculators included. Fingers crossed they change that up with a new platform like MSFS!
Great video. I'm trying to get better at the 737 and 738 daily on MSFS. This and descents are what I need to improve most. Thanks!
I can't wait to get the 737-800 it seems like such a good plane!
Yess !! Can't wait !
Excellent demo Sir!
Emi! How does the performance of carbon and steel brakes affect the calculations?
Great🍾 🔥🔥🔥
nice I had no idea that some airlines factored in the usage of reverse thrust for fuel saving.
Fuel and noise, both. If it's save without it, why waste the fuel and annoy the neighbors?
Many airports actually forbid the use of reversers unless required for safety reasons.
CPH, BCN, MAD, just to name a few big ones!
@@A330Driver yea I was aware of the noise abatement in some areas. I am old enough to have been around when there were multiple dc-9 and md-80 ops at large airports here in the states.. shall we speak of noise ! It was extremely loud on aiport property
Hi @737ngdriver - where do you get the wind from? There's no Metar in the clip. A certain altitude AGL? Or always runway winds?
Hello!
Love your videos! So helpfull!
One thing i need to say…your sound!
The microphone you are using peaks Everytime you talk. It is to loud! Pls check that because it is really not nice to listen to that.
Pls don’t just me! Just love your videos and wanna watch them without the sound problems. Danke!
Noted!
A newbie question...
Once we have decided that the landing flaps setting we'll be using is, say, 40, how we decide the right moment to apply each step of the progression from flaps 0 to 40 during the approach?
I’m not a real pilot but I’d say don’t overthink it, flaps 1-5 are really there to sort of slow you down and beyond that (flaps 10-40) you would apply them as necessary as you slow the plane down for short final. (Of course in the checklist you would be approaching at flaps 15 and go at whatever vref speed (+15) the fmc says.)
Hey, sorry if I missed any mention of Flaps 15 in the video. Is there any specific case were Flaps 15 would be used? Severe wind gusts?
For easa and some other regulators like Jaa, flaps 15 is only used with non normal conditions , such as a single engine landing for example. In this case, it will improve the go around performance if you have to abort the landing.
For the faa , flaps 15 can be a normal landing setting but is normally limited to airports where approach climb performance is a factor.
Normal landings using flaps 15 are permitted for authorized operators with appropriate performance data available.
Flaps 30 should be enough for gusty conditions.
Hey, @737NG Driver, can you please explain on how to choose flaps in case of wind gusts in the destination airport. I don't now if you cover this topic already. Guide me please if you did.
There is no general do's and don'ts here, you have to involve your experience. Generally speaking, I'd say if the gusts exceed 10kt that's a good argument to think about Flaps 30 rather than 40, but as said it comes down to experience as well.
@@A330Driver I thought that "normal" flaps are 30. Then if there are gusts, then set 40, because stall speed will be lower. Does it work like this?
Hey, are there any alternatives for calculating the weights, V speeds etc for the 737-800 for free?
Or will it be included in the EFB later?
It will come with the EFB later, I'm not aware of free alternatives at the moment.
@@A330Driver ok thanks
I use rudder pedals for control of my rudder however when I land they are so sensitive and I slide all over the runway! Can I ask what you use as you control it so well. Thanks
I'm using pedals as well. Thrustmaster Pendular Pedals to be exact.
The trick is to use short and small inputs. Don't yank on the controls, that's going to get you nowhere.
Do you input, hold it, see what happens. Need more? Apply a bit more, see what happens.
And so on.
@@A330Driver thank you 🙏🏻
Question for you, you don’t have this performance tool in the air don’t you? So what do you use? If my memeory is not mistaking me, i believe company provides you with those performance charts via your ipad right? Then you would input what ever scenario it is and come up with these landing configuration correct?
I hope I’m making sense to you i have a terrible way of saying what I’m asking/mean.
You are right, all the info the pilots require are on their iPads.
@@nvstewart i appreciate you! Bless you and thanks so much
We have the OPT in the air as well, it's an offline application in real life. It doesn't need internet but does everything from its local database on the iPad.
Can we land on flaps 25? If so, what conditions should we do that in? thanks
No, approved landing settings are 30 and 40 in normal ops and 15 with specific emergencies where stated in the QRH.
Some US carriers also got a 15 approval for normal ops to be used on high altitude airports like Denver.
Can I ask where you get that performance tool?
Sure, it's from virtualperformancetool.com.
Wow, the effects of flaps selection to turnaround time is not something I ever considered. Because I don't ever do turnarounds in sim, I'll probably continue with flap 30,but cool nonetheless.
There's so many things a flight simmers just never considers. The term "thinking ahead" in FS just means something totally different than in real life. But that's fine, after all flight simmers are typically not trained professionals. That's why there are videos like these to give you such insights!
What happens if something occurred during landing that forces you to apply manual brakes wrt. to the cooling time? How is that then taken into consideration?
Nothing... You've git brake temperature sensors do the take off would be delayed until the temp drops below the limit
Take the figure for max manual and you're on the safe side. And if it says you're in the fuse plug melt zone call operations and they'll have to make a detailled calculation.
The 737's not an Airbus. 90% of all 737s don't have temperature sensors installed.
@@A330Driver oh I didn't know that, PMDG 737's always have I think :):)
How did you know how much cref you had to add from the wind
1/2 headwind rounded up
Plus the full gust, but max 15kt in total.
what does the no proc. req mean? why could not we used flaps 30 with rev and aut. br. 2 ?
"No procedure required." I assume it means you don't need to worry about brake cooling.
@@cesarperezargota indeed.
No procedure required for brake cooling. You can keep the parking brake engaged during the whole turnaround if you like.
How do I canculate the VREF ADD?
starting at 1:13 he explains to use about 50% of the headwind (for weather use METAR etc.) as VREF addition
These are the current guidelines regarding winds and what to add to the VREF
Target speed MUST BE between Vref + 5 and Vref + 20
Target Speed In Nil Wind = Vref + 5
Target Speed Into Wind = Vref + (half the wind speed with minimum +5)
Target Speed With Gusts = Vref + (half the wind speed) + (full gust wind)
Target Speed With Tail Wind = Vref + 5
Target Speed With Cross Wind = Vref + 5
@@ThePeperich oh thank you, how could I miss that?
Flaps 30 and autobrake 3.... it will be enough for 95% of airport the 737 operates
Yet it must not always be the best choice, even though it might work.
cool.... when is the release date? cant wait
Between this date and 31st august
@@SoupGuyy and if not until 31 Aug, after 31 Aug 😁
@@maltimoto no pmdg said it release before august 31
@@maltimoto so this week basically
@@SoupGuyy i was just joking about the unprecise statements of RSR, hehe 😏
yes this or next week
Get a mic bro
What are you using for the performance tool calculations?
www.virtualperformancetool.com
virtualperformancetool.com