THIS is the FUTURE of VR! INSANE Clarity VARJO XR-4 in DCS World | Near HUMAN EYE Resolution! 55PPD
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- Finally unleashing the true power of the Varjo XR-4 in DCS World, using a mind blowing 55PPD thanks to Varjo foveated rendering.
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And Steve was sucked in the computer like Flynn in the first Tron movie... 🤣
😅😅
$4000! Holly Shit!
Definitely will buy it...
...when I win the lottery! 🤣🤣🤣
I just ask my lawyer Dad. xD
Accessible VR
Power of eye tracking and quad views with high PPD. We collectively need to pound on the MSFS devs to deliver quad views in FS2024.
Great stuff Steve! As I'm 56, my eyes are getting worse at the same rate that the headsets get better!
Perfect 😁
Yes, please do spend more time in DCS! And pressure MSFS for Quadviews. There is no modern VR sim that should be foregoing quadviews, it's truly the enabler of high end VR. I am blown away by the performance possible thanks to eye tracking in DCS world, perhaps this means even the Pimax Crystal SUPER will be a viable option for DCS World users?
FYI if you have not been following: DCS is due for a VR Render Graph overall which is rumored to boost FPS in VR by around 50%, and it may be out later this year if not delayed. Moreover, the RTX 5090 is rumored to be up to 70% more powerful. Finally, DCS is also switching to Vulkan API sometime in the next 12 months or so (but ED has stated it may only be a 10-15% performance boost. The largest VR performance boost will likely be found via the VR Render Graph overall, which changes the DCS World render pipeline).
Point is, 3800x3800 55 PPD Eye Tracked headsets *might* be completely playable in DCS World at high graphics and locked 72fps within 4-12 months, according to your early results with the XR4??
I would love to see you do some more videos in DCS with XR4, but also Crystal Light vs Crystal w/Eye Tracking, to really explore the difference quadviews can make. Try low level rain flight at high sun/shadow angle time of day (golden hours) over dense cities in Syria, PNG, and Marianas. Try launching from super carrier deck. It's the low level stuff with lots of shadows or refreaction from clouds, lots of geometry from close up trees and buildings, that really tax the GPU and will really show what impact quadviews has.
As one final side note, for many of us actually playing DCS "the worst case is the best case". Meaning, we aren't just doing a free flight. A mission may launch over a rainy, busy, urban area, then go to high flight, then land on a super carrier deck. But we can't change graphics settings mid flight. So we have to dial our graphics settings in VR for the worst case scenario. Thus seeing how these headsets and GPUs perform in those highly demanding areas of DCS is the real litmus test. But of course, this carries over as an understanding of what we would expect in MSFS 2024 if they ever implement quadviews: it would tell us how much and to what extent Quadviews can really scale. Could it boost FPS in MSFS over a city by 30-40 FPS? MAYBE. And at that point, as a VR community we have to put pressure on Microsoft and headset makers to get Eye Tracking into all of these high resolution headsets and quadviews into these demanding sim games. It will accelerate the future not only of the VR experience, but of general VR market adoption.
(Sorry for the novel) :D
I hadn't heard about VR render graph. I'm going to have to check it out. I'm glad there's some developers out there giving VR some love.
@@wittyname-sy5je Before you get too excited, most developers already have their VR Render Graph pipeline constructed properly. The ELI5 version is something like you render what is common to both frames, then the difference for one eye VS the other.
But DCS had been doing the ENTIRETY of both frames independently. This is what has made its VR performance so far behind the likes of IL2 or Autombolista 2 in VR. When they fix that, it will simply bring their rendering pipeline in VR up to snuff with others. The reason DCS performance in XR4 or Pimax Crystal has caught up, or still wins out in DCS now, is simply because Quadviews is just that good (and because DCS has a good DLSS implementation). Once they get their VR render graph pipeline sorted out, it will really shine.
On the other hand, other devs (like IL2, Automobilista 2) already have the render graph sorted, but could really boost performance by adding DLSS & Quadviews. Finally, there is MSFS, who has DLSS and I believe the render graph in order. But it is such an insanely demanding game it still melts many flat screen gamers rigs. It really, really, really would benefit from Quadviews! But unless I am mistaken I believe Asobo already has proper VR Render Graph.
TL;DR VR Render Graph improvement is more of a "fix" to DCS's very ancient engine and implementation, and not something to look forward to in many other titles, AFAIK.
@@DS52116 Ah, good to know. Thanks for the explanation.
Resolution is still so important in VR! Nice to see there are real significant experiental gains being made once again
There will be clarity gains to be head until EVERY headset offers "real life resolution" or "retina VR resolution". Of course, then there's FOV. I can't wait until we head real-life resolution with full human FOV. Of course it would take a Nvidia 8090 or something to power that.
I had this feeling this morning when my Pimax Crystal Light arrived. Putting it on for the first time blew me away. Unfortunately 4 grand is out of my price range, but so great to see how vr is progressing🤩
Nice one!
35 ppd to 55 ppd is a 2.5x higher pixel per area. That's a bigger leap than going from a 1440p display to a 4k display (only 2.3x) of the same physical size. That's a crazy step increase.
Indeed. I gave a top end rig and can get 72 FPs as a consistent rate in DCS. All my VR settings are high and graphics sliders are over to the right, mainly. Open XR, Pimax XR and quad foveated rending set to 120% with peripheral at 16%. That gives me a smooth 72 FPS. With a top end PC. Up the pixel count 2.3 times. Can’t see me getting the most out of that sort of res with my current PC TBH. Although it must look stunning. 😮
Absolutely beautiful!
Interesting stuff steve and thanks for your time and effort in making the video for us.
God there's so many unappreciative people out there. . 🙄
I know right. Thanks for your support buddy.
Sounds exciting Steve, (looking at my G2 and sobbing with envy); enjoy the experience sir!!!!! (Hopefully Varjo will let you keep it, he, he, he.)
Cheers mate. Yes glad to say this one is a keeper. 👍
I am already blown away from the Visuals of my Quest 3 and Quest Pro when connected to my PC with the 4090 once I get that Pimax Crystal Light headset I believe I will be a Happy Camper for many moons 🌙 but, this looks absolutely amazing. This Varjo XR4 is way too expensive for me. 😉👌
Think im going to sell the crystal light when the super comes out after this vid lol
What's sad is that there is very little business incentive to add quad view support to other titles. Maybe 0.5% of all VR headsets support eye tracking. And Eagle dynamics added quad view support for professional use cases. So we will continue to cry for DFR quad view support and those cries will likely continue to fall on deaf ears.
It is a great shame, especially for demanding titles like MSFS where it could be such a great asset for both the game and the VR market.
The good news is LG are mass producing micro OLED 4K panels soon so there will be many headsets with even better displays from 2025. Hopefully with a good FOV. They will definitely be cheaper than £4000
Can't wait because nothing beats OLED. In the meantime, the PSVR2 with PC adapter will do for me.
@@dtz1000 these varjo displays experience is very near to the oled regarding the black levels. the micro led rally works very well
@@MartinVit the problem at present with the xr4 is the use case for full 55ppd is dcs only. It's running 35ppd for everything else which isn't worth the upgrade from another hmd at the same resolution. I'm sure this will change but it's going to be a hard sell at that price point, especially with what's on the horizon from other manufacturers.
Has anyone noticed Big Screen are advertising for an optics designer to join their team?! Looks like beyond 2 in the pipeline hopefully with 4k oled panels this time around.
You know the xr-4 is way more than 4k right? The crystal light is 4k per eye.
@@MartinVitsaying its "very near to OLED" is very subjective... in reality even the best LED screen is still nowhere near as good as true blacks.
Out of my budget but seeing the joy this brought you made me feel the joy too. Thank you!
Thankyou Mark much appreciated ❤️
Steve I'm trusting you on this. After watching your video on the xr4, I bought one😳🤪😁
Wow congratulations!
Steve needs to open a gofundme or something now, with no job income it will be hard to not leave VR ever again! Real life is quite annoying!
😁😁
I‘ll order two! One for each eye, to make the experience even better 😊
Just mount a prism on your nose 👃
We'll be seeing the shocked thumbnail again next year when the Crystal Super is released.
At half the price
Let's see as currently, it's not an actual thing 😬
@@VRFlightSimGuy They'll come through, they always do eventually.
That’s nice and all… but it’s $4000. This is a headset 99% of DCS players won’t be getting.
but it will lead the future for other competitors who can use similar displays and optics without all these XR things
It was worth 4k to me not to have to mess with that battery anymore.. lol
@@MartinVit That’s a good point. I can’t argue with that.
@@ChrisM541 Just because a lens type exists doesn't mean they are just "available"... A lot of engineering goes into making an optical stack that works well for a specific VR integration and the lens designs change depending on the dimensions of the panel used. These panels weren't available in quantity to ANYONE this time last year. Varjo's entire business up until they made the Aero was enterprise only; so no, they aren't "trying their luck", enterprise is what keeps their lights on. Their previous Flagship (XR-3) Started at $6,495 + a MANDATORY $1,495 yearly subscription, so not only did they blow it out of the water, but also cut the price in half and eliminated the subscription.
Nothing he is presenting is disingenuous to the capabilities of the device. It isn't being featured as a gaming headset it is being featured as a SIMULATION headset which in case you have forgotten, is on an entirely different plane of possible costs. Some simulators cost millions so for installations like that, $4k isn't even a rounding error.
The cost for Varjo to buy the displays is likely around $1500 per headset so by the time you add in all of the R&D cost, manufacturing, logistics, and ongoing support it is actually an excellent value compared to what was available in that space before.
As for your point on devices for the "common man" They did make the Aero for $1k which was about as cheaply as they could sell it without losing money. Facebook (Meta) loses money on every headset they sell, always have. Unlike Facebook, Varjo can't afford to lose $15b keep themselves afloat by robbing from their other ventures, so they have to maintain a profitable business like every other non-Fortune 50 company in the sector.
To anyone reading this maybe don't take advice from a guy who conflates "HDM" with "HMD" twice in a row. I have no idea what a "head display mounted" is but "head mounted displays" on the other hand - do exist. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
99.99%
I will probably never get to experience this kind of high-end VR. But watching Steve experience it, is like watching someone win the final prize in a game show or something like that. And it's always a joy to watch someone winning.
Thanks mate 😊😊
@@VRFlightSimGuy reminds me of Sebastians reaction video of the Varjo VR-3(I think it was)
I’ve had this mini dream in the back of my head of having a non-profit that provides VR experiences to people stuck in hospitals, nursing homes, rehab centers, and youth homes. It seems like it’s be a win win for some of us to play with the latest tech and at the same time provide others with an escape from their circumstances.
In 5 years this tech will be dirt cheap
@@EightyBeat Dirt cheap no. Accessible? Hopefully!
Nice - Finally I don't have to decide between the XR4 and the "bad boy" version of the VR1. Really happy this video was posted before the orders for the VR1 opens next week.
Where did they announce that, on their discord? I'm not on there so I wouldn't know. The only thing I heard before was from the end of April update when they claimed three weeks max before opening orders but obviously that didn't happen.
Edit: Just saw the new video on Artur's channel where he says that.
@@wittyname-sy5je Yes on their discord.
@@wittyname-sy5jeDid he also say when the VR1 will be delivered? With all theses new headsets on the market, they are certainly under a lot of pressure.
@@jajamuc Here's the video in question: ruclips.net/video/mmfc0Pv2ARI/видео.html
No mention of when the orders are shipping. But he did say they've started mass production. He's said in previous updates that he doesn't want to open orders until they're close to being ready to deliver. My guess would be late June or sometime in July is when they start shipping given the start of mass production a little over a week ago.
I for one am happy to see you demo the cutting edge technology!
Cheers mate 😊
This sounds like amazing detail and incredibly impressive! But is it not stuttering all over the place as the FPS goes up and down?
Your excitement comes through and that is the best review of VR yet
Thankyou!
Here’s a word to describe it.
Expensive.
I remember a $3,000 fancy CAD-quality monitor a while back that I drooled over. Now I can get a much better one for $500. Such is the way of technology. One day, these will be within reach, but there will be something better.
God i'd love to be able to afford a device like this, can't wait in few years when this kind of resolution will be at an acceptable price
Pimax supposedly is using the same display panels on the Crystal Super which will be selling for $1800 so we're getting there.
Came to say the same - Pimax Crystal Super, sub $2000, soon-ish(TM). The real issue though is that without *quadviews* support specifically, eye tracking will only boost performance a little bit. With quadviews, the gains are much better. All good if you are a DCS only player, but we need quadviews in MSFS 2024, sim racing titles, etc. Put pressure on simulation developers to implement quadviews support... it looks like the future of VR could be here within 12 months, with quadviews + RTX 5090 + Eye tracked headsets. Exciting stuff. I am blown away by the concept that quadviews could make a 55PD headset playable within a year, I thought that even with eye tracking, playable FPS at this PDD would be 5 years away for anything heavyweight like DCS/MSFS... but perhaps not. Wow.
When you consider the Apple Vision Pro at 3500.. and the generational leap in this headset.. not crazy
Thanks for this one! That’s exciting indeed! With a well-tuned crystal, I can get 90 fps with a robust super sample so kind of a lesser version of what you’re seeing and it really is breathtaking (this map is also really hard on the CPU and GPU). I’m with you about DCS vs MSFS as well-I play a lot more DCS these days! Any interest in a dedicated video to lobby Asobo for DFR and get people to vote up that topic? 😎
Sounds great! Sadly, I think the limitations of you tube means we can’t see what you are seeing! I am a bit confused though.
Why doesn’t the XR4 work with MSFS and it does with DCS? What is quadview? My sweet spot is 55ppd with pass through on MSFS. Then you can have my $4000. If Vario want to sell more of these, they should be pressurising Microsoft and enabling pass through.
makes me excited for the pimax super 🙂
keep in mind that 55ppd is only possible with quad view foveated rendering. between now and when the super comes out, we may have 5090 which may or may not change things
How do you find blurring of fast moving planes flying across your screen left to right or vice versa? I know the aero has a hard time keeping up..
Look forward to more vids on this and the VR1 as you get through the honeymoon phase and start to notice the little things, thanks for sharing
All of us would love to be at the cutting edge of VR technology, but most of us cannot afford it. We can only sit there a little envious and frustrated and hope that this technology will be available to us in a few years.
Please don‘t forget us normal people.
Did you see my Pimax Crystal Light videos? Or maybe my Quest 3 VR settings guide ;)
Are you new to Steve's channel ?
@@sascenturion No, I have been a viewer for more than three years.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Yes, I have seen them. But my impression is that your channel is shifting to be an influencer for new expensive hardware instead of giving valuable advice to the average MFSF VR community. Don‘t get me wrong, it‘s nice to see where VR technology is going. But I subscribed to your channel to get practical advice on how to get the most out of my „average joe“ equipment. Like tweaking settings for the Reverb G2. I haven‘t seen anyrhing similar recently, just hype about hardware which sometimes isn‘t even available yet (e. g. Somnium VR1).
I understand that promoting new hardware is a better business model for you. But that‘s not what I came here for 😕
It’s not CheapVRFlightSimGuy :)
This is something I'd REALLY love to experience, Steve. I find solace in the fact that visuals like this may be the standard in like 5 years from now, and hopefully with more "manageable" pricing.
I'm ever so slightly envious of you, I have to admit 😁😂 Take care ♥♥♥
Oh buddy... This will definitely come down in price in the next few years. I wish I could invite you round to check it out!!
@@VRFlightSimGuy 👍👍👍
Was this with dynamic foveated rendering? How is the framerate without it? Your overlay was flashing "CPU bound", which should mean that you could use an even higher resolution, since the resolution mostly depends on the GPU.
This is just what I need since I only fly choppers in DCS the ground clarity will be amazing cant wait for the consumer version
How is it possible the XR4 performs with a higher PPD with DFR better ( or the same, framerate wise) than the Crystal also using DFR but lower PPD?
Good question. I've no idea.
I suspect their eye tracking is better which allows them to render a smaller area at full res and taper it off more aggressively outside said area.
@@vintagemotorsalways1676 Conversely there was a movie that the characters had somehow walked down the "wrong" block in a town and they found that nothing was there , as if the real life was rendered as a sim too.
Good stuff Steve… keep the feedback and experience updates coming on this headset as they continue to update and improve the XR capabilities. Despite the expense I am targeting this as my G2 replacement but up against the Pimax Crystal Super later this year…. So your experience with the issues and the upside is very useful for those of us honestly considering it… cheers
Cheers mate
Thank you so much for this! Please, please, please include the DCS settings you were using for this in a future video, and the render resolution would be great to know as well.
I am absolutely floored that you're getting a solid 45 fps in DCS at the full resolution of that headset. I would have never guessed that was possible on a 4090. Wow. Is the eye box (the high quality foveated rendering portion) rather small with that or does it cover a decent part of the screen?
Now I am even more excited about the Crystal Super. I really hope Pimax doesn't muck it up. I'm still probably going to upgrade to a 5090 when that comes out though. But oh man that is wild.
Thanks for watching. More to come!
Need more dcs content now, need to record in 4k if poss
just a shame that Microsoft don't put more effort into VR imagine MSFS !!!
Time for Varjo to offer advice to Asobo to aid in changes. It would help sell more headsets..
@@BoltRM💯
I'd hate to invest in this and then fly MSFS below 500ft only to discover the terrain STILL looks like I've zoomed in on Lara Crofts cleavage from the 90s, because MSFS detail at low altitude (ie the interesting area) absolutely SUCKS....
Steve always does a good honest review. I will not even consider it cause of the price and it will only work with nvidia. Ridiculous price for the headset and ridiculous video card price to run it. $6,500.00 and no system to run it. So glad I went Pimax Crystal with RX 7900 XTX and spent $2,700.00.
Thank you for the video 👏! Now it’s time to wait and see what will be the Crystal super with 57 ppd. Personally I’m looking forward for this one 🤩🤞
I suspect the 57 PPD will likely come with a restricted FOV similar to the 42PPD lenses for the Crystal. But even at 50 PPD I think the visuals will still be fantastic (assuming Pimax does a good job on the lenses).
@@wittyname-sy5je yeah you’re right about the restricted FOV 😉
Fingers crossed for Crystal Super to match this then
Oh, it will and it actually could be better! ...At less then half the price!
@@gcampagn Yeah mad how a 2k headset suddenly sounds like a great deal 😂. I'll probably stick to my Light for a few years until GPUs catch up
Would not hold my breath
@@ukgarridge8486 this is the best plan because for all-round VR usage 35PPD will be the sweet spot in performance vs visuals for the next generation or two of GPU's.
good to remember the crystal super should have this same resolution, but with better stereo overlap for probably half the price. If varjo want to compete in the consumer market they'll need to cut the price down some
I ran the Varjo Aero at 39 PPD and use 1.6 multiplier but that would be 62 PPD , I dont think I am seeing 62 PPD, how does the multiplier works?
How do I get a multiplier
Love your passion mate, love how ya describing iy...bbuuttt..... need a 4090 first......
4090 is not a problem. It's twice as cheap. Better wait for the 5090. You will need it with this HMD.
How and What are you using there for chair simulation/movement? Slight movement etc.
DOF reality H2... Lots of content on the channel. So make sure you are subbed
yess come to dcs😂❤❤❤
😁😁😂
At 120* it appears to have a respectable field of view too.
My bank account is grateful that private purchases are not possible XD
Steve, can you list the equipment you have in your flight yoke and associated assembly? I am putting together a new super computer and will be building flight sim components to match.
So how does it do compare with Big Screen Beyond? Were you excited for BSB back then when you test that for the first time? How do they compare?
you might need to set a small deadzone for your eye tracking, is that micro movement not a little annoying?
I would still choose the vr1 because it has way better stereo overlap and has more fov
Supposedly… The VR1 hasn‘t even been released yet. Nobody knows when it will be a reality.
@@jajamuc preorders will start next week apparently
I'm buying it!
Congrats!!
Great...there goes my savings account🙄
Was just about to get the pimax crystal light as yesterday that was the best, might wait another year as the rest will catch up to this quality by then
Pimax Crystal Super at 50ppd 130 FOV supposedly coming out at the end of the year for $1800. Every time anyone thinks they will wait For HTC, Oculus, Valve, HP, StarVR, XTAL, Somnium. Varjo to either catch up or come down in price Pimax was always a step ahead... Even with their frustrating delays. Competition just can't catch up.
I’m not a DCS player but I’m gonna have to try this out on my XR-4
Male sure to install Varjo foveated and run open XR with DCS World Multithreaded.
Vr flight sim guy, any where i can find your settings? Im using a 4090 with a 13700k and quest 3 and struggling to achieve 50fps. I have not yet messed with oculus debug tool.
You have to explain to me why MSFS not able to handle the 55 PPD? As I told you before I'm flying MSFS with 55 PPD since I have my XR4 Month ago. I'm using the Open XR Toolkit and I think I have the same result in MSFS? Have you tried it. Now with the 75 HZ possibility the frames are fantastic as well. Or are you saying that it's even better with the native injection? I haven't tried DCS till now. I'm not that much into the military thing.
50+PPD is only available to applications that support DFR. You are running at 35/39PPD
@@VRFlightSimGuyOh.. I didn't know about that! I thought that is the max I can get! So I'm very curious what it looks like in DCS. I think I have to reinstall it.
Will this headset be compatible with the WiGig wireless modules being released later this year?
If you're referring to the one Pimax is releasing, no. That one's only for the Crystal. Also they're relying on DFR and dynamic foveated transport (similar to DFR but adding (more) lossy compression to the video stream of the peripheral area) to achieve 90hz at the Crystal's resolution. The XR-4 has 73.33% more pixels in its display panels than the Crystal so it's not really feasible. Maybe with a second generation WiGig (802.11ay) module but I haven't heard of anybody developing one of those yet.
Crystal super is heading to that level of PPD later this year for a little less than half the price on a base model. If it's that good maybe that will be the one to look for
I’ll wait for the Pimax Super Steve. Like the price a little better.
Please do share a video filming through the lens..so we can see the resolution.
I'd love to. But it follows my eyes 😅
Put googly eyes on the camera 👀
55 ppd pretty close to my 4k monitor when i sit a meter away from the screen. Hard to imagine in VR & the fact that for a change what you can see in VR looks sharper than what i can see on youtube watching you use VR. Think it needs a faster next gen CPU & GPU to stabilize those frame rates maybe just maybe it could hit native.
I hope it looks a lot better through the headset than it does to us on screen at that price point.
Covered on the video thanks for watching
Well just you wait when Pimax unleashes their Crystal Super with 3840 x 3840 per eye super QLED, with at least 50 PPD and 120Hz for $1799 USD, later this year! It will be less than half the price of the Varjo XR-4 and will perform at least as good, if not better! I have already pre-ordered it! Instead of paying over $4000 USD, I'd rather wait for the Pimax Crystal Super to come out! I'm actually waiting for my Crystal Light which I bought for $899 USD to get to my place so I can start enjoying it!
I'm hoping that's the case as well. But it being Pimax I'd be careful saying that it's going to be better than the XR-4. They've made promises in the past and not delivered on them. Also the Crystal and previous headsets have had pretty rocky releases. We'll see.
As happy as I am that flight simulation is alive and well, I am disappointed in the surrounding companies seemingly trying to push prices higher and higher and higher. I spent around $5k 2 years ago so that I could fly in VR at an acceptable rate. I'm not spending $4k on a headset. Consumers will reach a breaking point. I'm more than willing to hear counter arguments and be convinced it's just fine. But right now I am suspicious.
How about distortion and CA? I skipped the Varjo until now because of that. Are those issues solved?
Full review on the channel. Go watch it 👍
Thanks Steve! Could you make a video through the lens of Blacks? Maybe a night flight so we can see how the XR-4 performs…. Thank you again!
Indeed, it would be great to see more of the Crystal-topping local dimming with small light sources to get a comparison of the blooming effect.
Already shown on my full XR-4 review. Guys you are slacking. Make sure you are subbed 😅
@@VRFlightSimGuy I did indeed see that and it looks great. I was just commenting that it'd be great to see a side by side through the lens next to the Crystal Light with the same aircraft and night scene to really showcase the differences and maybe get a better look at the blooming too. I know you're super busy with all the new headsets so I'm just throwing ideas out there. Thanks for the videos.
@@VRFlightSimGuy I missed it, I don't find a XR4 night Gameplay where you're talking about the blacks
@@Pece73 in my main review video posted recently :)
That mic is super loud. 4k Monitors are around 70 PPD, so it is getting closer to a monitor.
isnt the predecessor XR-3 an enterprise-only headset? Varjo is literally premium for businessmen
A Game changer. Like other one you test before 😂
Where did I say that? Although I SHOULD have! VR technology is getting better and better. So it makes sense to say that, otherwise we are in trouble. 👍
The low level texture is why DCS has refused to change its game engine. The only way to get this level of details is to have the map on your system. To stream this off a server would take hundreds of terabytes of data every second.
I've been tellin y'all wait for the 50+ PPD sets. Don't waste your money on the lesser sets.
What render resolution did you use?
He never ever mentions that, seems to be against the channel rules =(
Well... guess I need to get a new headset...
I had already budgeted for the XR4 but poor initial reviews and the questionable quality control (needing to change at least 2 out of 3 respected RUclipsrs' initial headsets - really?) from a company that makes it near impossible for mere mortals like myself to communicate with ... I have ordered the Pimax Crystal Light for now and will reconsider in perhaps 3 years. By then, I hope to see a Somnium VR2 with better balance (pancake lenses, maybe?), high quality speakers and inside out tracking. This should also co-inside with nvidea 6090 and adoption of 51ppd in high-end headsets, for use with MSFS 2024, I hope!
Now try dogfight because this time you can see how the opposite plane heads to
Can you help wy openxr toolkit setty gor my rtx 4090 please and thank you
Could you fly at 75 hz and tell us how it feels
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The hammer 🦈🦈🦈 for that headset.
It is a bargain😂😂😂
Way too cheap 😂😂😂
🔨🔨🔨 on it in a live stream and you are an legend😂😂😂
Thx for the video by the way.
Thanks Sharky. Love ya 😁
Still, Varjo mic needs wind blockers for mic holes taped to headset
it's for pilot training, you can't expect good mics or clear channels as a pilot.
Pretty please do a cargo run or quick asteroid mining run for Elite Dangerous. I was waiting for Valve to come out with an Index 2, but I think that dream is never going to come true.
Yes, but 4-5k… that’s insane dough. What’s the delta with the meta quest 3? I’m sure this is better, but is it 10x better? And keep in mind, that’s assuming you have a 2k graphics card…
How much do you expect human eye clarity to be at this stage in VR technology? I'm genuinely curious...
@@VRFlightSimGuy I’m not disputing the brilliance of the product, I’m just pointing out the cost, like you did in your video.
It’s a cost versus performance picture, and the rule of diminishing returns applies. For me, investing 7k due not give me an improvement that’s worth the extra 5.5k over there q3 plus 4080 gpu.
Of course that does not mean others shouldn’t get that combo. Everyone needs to decide that for themselves.
You could see the car headlights ??!!! Nice.
This video was like going back to first impressions HP Reverb in Xplane 11.
4:38 mentioned
So true Anthony!!! I don't think I've ever been as excited since until now.
It will be great if we can push res to 16K VR
which dcs map is it by the way?
Interestingly the XR-3 advertised "the world’s only human-eye resolution (over 70 PPD) mixed reality headset with the widest field of view (115 degrees)" (that text is still on the Varjo website) but Varjo also claim for the XR-4 that "Custom full-dome aspheric lenses showcase 28 million pixels across an effective field of view 50% larger than the XR-3". But also claim that the XR-4 has a 120° FoV. This is all very confusing.
Can you show DCS in mixed reality pls.
Does this have a better FOV than the Somnium VR1?
He said he gets around 115 x 101 (H x V) FOV with the XR-4 and 120-122 x 96 FOV on the VR1. So the XR-4 has worse horizontal but better vertical.
@@wittyname-sy5je Much appreciated, thanks. So it's worse but not that bad. Definitely better than the 100 I get with the Crystal. I am ready to buy the VR1 but I will take some time to consider the XR4 instead.
@@efirehawk If you've got a Crystal you might also consider waiting for the Crystal Super. It supposedly will use the same display panels as the XR-4 in the QLED version and they're claiming 130 x 100 FOV for that. Granted, you know how that went with the Crystal so we'll have to wait and see if that's anywhere near true. But Pimax is giving Crystal owners a $400 discount on it, bringing the price down to $1400 for the QLED version. They say Q4 2024 release but I'd bet its more likely sometime in 2025.
The xr4 has horrible Stereo overlap . Make sure before you buy because vr1 has epic stereo overlap
Vote: how soon do we get this level of clarity for, say, $1,500.00 at the most?
The crystal Super will have similar clarity and ppd for not much more than what you ask (at $17999) later this year
The Pimax Crystal Super supposedly will use the same display panels as this and they're going to be selling it for $1800. Still expensive but more feasible for some than $4k.
Edit: @justinspirational beat me to it.
I'm gonna wait for the crystal Super for similar resolution and eye tracking (required for decent dfr fps in dcs) for a much more reasonable price..I prefer dcs to msfs and the crystal light missing eye tracking and not being able to do dfr in dcs is an issue.. wish pimax honored their promise to part exchange our 8kxs for the 12k qled for the crystal Super but they won't.. they do say the 12k qled will be coming after the crystal Super tech is perfected but who knows if even a rtx 5090 is enough for the 12k..I so regret getting the varjo aero for over $2k.. barely used it and the crystal, crystal light and crystal Super will all be less than what I paid for the aero with superior tech (barely used my aero since getting it.. don't like the limited vertical fov... would rather use my 8kx with the best fov and just increase the resolution).. why do you think the xr4 higher resolution runs at similar fps to the crystal at lower resolution?
Before I would've said the 12K needed a 6090 to have a chance at native resolution. And in most demanding titles that probably will still be the case. But after seeing this video I'm thinking it might actually be possible to hit native res in DCS with a 5090, DFR and a whole lot of tweaking. Not at the native refresh rate of course. Really wish other game makers would integrate DFR into their games.
Omg bro you saw the new trailer????
Yep! 😮
What trailer?
@@cnchobbyist991 MSFS 2024.
I've heard from Brad it's gonna take 4-5 years until this display tech comes to below $1000 HMDs... Let's hope he's wrong 😅
I mean the Crystal Super supposedly will use the same display panels and they're going to be offering it for $1800 so we're getting closer already. Of course it probably won't release until sometime in 2025 but still.
The upcoming Pimax Crystal Super will have 50PPD 120hz screens and eye tracking for less than $2000. Getting it for less than $1000 is not going to happen for a few years.
every 4 years new gen of hmd with significant changes so 12 years 😁
The only way to go you say? Looks like my isa is going to take a battering soon
Hopefully they can get the price lower. Maybe in a year or so we’ll get a massive price cut like they did with the last varjo 👍
Looking at the FPS display read out you’re getting a heck of a lot stuttering over the Marianas. There are better terrains out there in the sim. It’s not a terrain that is well optimised for VR.
I can get super clarity with Pimax XR and quad foveated rendering at 120% of the Crystal native res. With my FPS set to 72 in the crystal my FPS traces are pretty much flat lining with odd spike creeping in. I’ll stick with that for the foreseeable future.
Varjo haven’t covered themselves in glory, recently. That may put a lot of people off.
So which XR-4 is this? Varjo on their website advertise the $4k unit only capable of 33PPD and you have to buy the $10k focal edition to get 51PPD!
That's incorrect. The standard XR-4 is capable of 55PPD with DFR apps. The 10k version has the clever focal tech, hence the name.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Ok I miss read, the 33 vs 51 PPD difference is with the pass through performance. Wow, guess this is my new toy to save for.