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i love you guys I just wanted to say that down here in the comments usually I'd promote my feet pics but this time I just wanna say I appreciate you and I know that a lot of you will disagree with what I have to say in this vid and I think that's beautiful and interesting as fuck to talk about and it's what I love about video games but anyways stay safe gamers lets get them endorphins and seratonies goin in the chat I haven't slept in like 30 hours so words are hard but lets goooooooooooooooo
LOVE YOU BABE!!!!!
Can I still have your feet pics though? Btw this is a great video
feet pics when?
I love you Jakey, but like in a bro way, I hope thats ok
I think you’re wrong but good try man.
How does Jakey even play the games he’s only like an inch tall on my phone screen
Oh you sombitch!!!
This interaction pleases my gremlin brain
Jakey I will fight you for making a video thanks so much
He plays on my screen. I have a giant wall-size TV that I have scaled him to real person size.
That's why the accessibility options in TLOU2 are so good, it even allows tiny lil baby men like Jakey to play it
Jake is such a sellout. This is just an ad for Menards. We see you.
I live in the midwest and Menards is my go-to
Won’t lie, when the jingle came on I was fucking shook.
As an employee, hearing that jingle for the billionth time made me want to hang myself but Jakey kept me powering through it.
@Shaman Xeed I had a stroke while trying to read your comment goddamn
@Shaman Xeed ok buddy
being in a cult, playing the guitar, and getting stabbed is the quintessential Seattle experience
LOL. for me it was more like working 60 hrs a week in a bleak office w the most boring people in America and never seeing the sun
@@jugo1944eh, same thing
😂😂😂😂😂
As a Seattleite, yeah.
I wonder if the game would have worked better if you played as Abby the whole game avenging her father with no idea who he is, and then it ends with her killing Joel.
That's great as hell,
An amazing idea,
I wish was true,
But part 2 is made
In the end, this is not the multiverse; it can't be reversed unless part 2 gets a reboot after decades 😢
Something like this requires intrigue. Maintaining such intrigue in a game lasting 15-20 hours will be incredibly difficult. The first question is “who was your father?” and the answer is “he was a doctor” and boom, 99% of players would have guessed right away.
@@BiriBiri925not even mentioning how difficult that would have been to market or sell. I still think if we played as her segment first it would work better imo
Part 2 could’ve been a “prequel” with the marketing being it will be a trilogy so part 2 is the Abby story and the ending can be her seeing joel or something so part 3 leads to this multi layered thing
As it's own game yes but I think everyone would expect for Joel's and ellie's story to go further. That's why I don't think if there is a part 3 that it will be about totally new people and still will probably be about ellie or maybe abby but no new people
But when the world needed him most, he vanished.
What happend to him?
Come on. He had a great run last year have him a break. Fact that he gave us an almost 1 hour of content before he goes haitus is in itself got to have a credit. We're selfish.
There's a different comment here that said he's working on a speedrunning video
@@giantclaw138 He probably wants to do the speed running community justice and do a lot of research
@@MrAWESOMEFACE37 Agreed. I would kill for a speedrunning video that's structured like Summoning Salt's but with Jakey's style.
Roses are red
Game design is hard
Save big money
At Menard’s
U damn right son
8:28
Florida man: you have intrigued my interest
big money salvia?
1000th upvote
I scroll for like 2 minutes to find this
the only way that pregnant soldier works out as a plot point, is if you don't know anything about pregnancy and think it just makes you big and a bit slow.
They 100% included it for a girl power moment without realising how stupid it is.
@@danieldimov8625 Think they included it because she wasnt actually a soldier going to the frontlines like Jakey implied, shes a medic moving from one area to another area and gets ambushed, pregnant people are still capable of sitting in a truck which is really all she expected to be doing.
@@connorbranscombe6819 Is that why she was carrying a gun around? Simply climbing onto the truck is dangerous enough at the stage she was at. And think about it, the world ended almost 25 years ago, humanity is slowly rebuilding but the world still is extremely dangerous and filled with zombies and cults like the one we see in the game. Humans are needed more than ever, so children and pregnant women are of extreme importance. So what do we do? Let's just send out a heavily pregnant woman out there, fuck it why not. Even if she was only a medic, the simple fact she isn't inside the stadium where her and her child are safe is extremely stupid and non-sensical. At no point throughout the Abby section do we get hints that the WLF are so short on hands that they send out someone like Mel. It's just a girl boss moment that makes no sense.
At least it's not as bad as Wolfenstein 2 where the pregnant lady is in the enemy base guns blazing throwing grenades shirtless
@@raptorjesus5488 Oh god don't remind me lol
The ai in the game were so intelligent that they contradicted the small brain message of the story. They’d beg for their life if they were wounded then shot you as soon as they got a chance.
Sounds like you’re the one with the small brain and just didn’t understand the story.
It’s the duality of man
That's why I don't get this video?
The gameplay and gamedesign in general was absolutely stunning. No other game comes even close.
The story is the problem with this game and even that is executed well
@@yipperdeyip He didn't say the gameplay was bad, he said the game DESIGN was bad. He said he enjoyed the hell out of the combat. Also, if your gameplay actively heavily conflicts with your story, like the comment you are replying to, it in a way is bad gameplay. You don't get the title of the video, because that's all you read, you can't say you don't get the video, because you haven't watched it.
@@TheChurchofJim
Gotta love how games that are the best of the best get the most amount of criticism by people on the spectrum.
Ubisoft never gets any shit and people just expect mindless "fun" from their mediocre games.
But when devs aspire to be the best, deliver amazing polished experiences (which is rare in itself), the army of reddit nerds come in droves to bUuUt aKsHuaLyyy 🤓🤓
“In The Last of Us Part II, I became disappointed.”
That one line was like when your cool and funny uncle gets serious.
Then comes back and struggles to open a beer
@StuckDucks Many people, including me, would disagree, I don't know how you would stretch a few days in Seattle and a day of Santa Barbara between multiple games, they even did both sides of the story for both of the characters and it still wouldn't be able to be put into multiple games, it would get very repetitive very fast, they left it at a good point, with Abby and Lev going to where the fireflies are trying to build up and Ellie knowing that Dina left her. The game was amazingly written and shouldn't be looked down upon as the big disappointment of 2020, I have played the game to death with over 26 playthroughs with 18 of those being grounded challenges. I hope you read this and take some of what I said into mind.
@@honestlyowain1121 I mean they coulda wrote it differently?
@@honestlyowain1121 Here's the thing though: In the first game you followed the same two characters without it getting repetitive. When people say that the writing is shitty in this game, they don't mean part II on it's own. If you look at it as a standalone, the writing isn't horrible, it's just bland. The issue people have is that they took established characters and had them do things that they would never do based on what we know of them. They had characters who had no place acting as stupid as they did do so for the sake of the narrative they wanted to tell. I imagine if they made this game as a standalone set in the same universe, it would've gotten far less flak.
I'm glad you enjoyed the game, and got your money's worth out of it with 26 playthroughs. However, that doesn't make it amazingly written, or even well written. I've enjoyed the hell out of games that were honestly dog shit. It is possible to enjoy something bad.
@@honestlyowain1121 There are also just as many that absolute didn't like this game at all. Actually, this was literally 3 entries smashed into one. And yes, they need more breathing space for each of the plotlines to be better developed and actually have weight and impact to it. It commits so many cardinal sins of bad writing (from expository dialogue that spells out character development that only matters in one or two scenes, contrivances and bad decision made by characters that go against their established traits or actions, and a bloated 3rd act that goes on for too long and unwittingly thrusts a new enemy group at the last minute, completely does a 180 on its themes in the most incredulously jarring matter, and ends up diluting its point by the very end of the game) that it is hard to ignore the issues upon a second go around. It doesn't help that this game offers nothing after beating it outside of extra difficulty modes and challenges. The pacing was complete slog to get through and I would have had each day back and forth and had the flashbacks be the introduction to the story instead. There is a good story here to tell but the structure and pacing dilutes and kills the emotional impact of those moments that should land.
So my theory for Jakey not uploading is that Naughty Dog devs weren't happy about his opinions and literally put a alligator under his bed and it fucking ate him
Hey that's a good game as your pro pic
Im going to have to agree, although it could’ve been something more discreet. Like 100 rats or 10000 fire ants
Went out like Carl Weathers in Happy Gilmore
Nah the anti lou2 crowd definalently did that to him.
Yall were ruthless with dunkey and looking at the 10k dislikes I bet a majority were mad that he was nice about the game
@@dennisbowen452 what about the 300k people who...liked it tho? What are you even talking about?
I love the fact that almost all the clips of Jakey's BOTW gameplay features Link sniping enemies with a bow while wearing the Sheikah set. All roads lead to stealth archer.
To be fair to Gears of War, the reason why the characters slow down for dialogue scenes is so the game can load the next area, it's not purely for narrative. Most AAA developers misunderstood this and now we have slow walking gameplay segments where characters will rattle off exposition in our AAA games.
Really? Never knew that. I’ve also never played any Gears of War games.
First three are excellent, other ones are meh
Naughty Dog will now force you to use triangle to kill yoga balls in their next game.
@Shaman Xeed
It's incredible how this is the first thing I see you actually write with a no troll purpose and I agree with it.
Wassup bro I’m a fan of your soccer videos
I read that as "yoda balls" and I was getting flashbacks of Yoda CBT on top of wondering what the hell you were on about, good shit
@Shaman Xeed Truth. Yeah, and fucking 5v5 games. Perfect breeding ground for shitty behaviour. It was better when we had community servers in old games. People would shit talk OTHER SERVERS, not each other. Zoomers who only know how to sit in a matchmaking queue will never understand what it was like to be in your favourite server within 25 seconds of launching the game. No stupid menus full of advertisements. No nonsense about what streamer is showing their butthole today.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE THIS IS AWESOMEEEEE
e VIVA O BENFICA CARALHHH
I've watched this video about 200 times and I just noticed the "Double Kill" sound effect when Ellie kills the pregnant girl
oh my god
21:42 here?
nooooooo
@@Spillow-C 20:24 very faint
i dont hear it
Literally my first thought when I beat the first LOU was "Fuck, they better not make a sequel because that was perfect."
After playing 2 for the first time last year, I am treating it like the Avatar Movie. It doesn't exist
@@austinhuffman855 I was a mess for a bout a week after i finished part 2. It was incredible rollercoaster of emotions
Finally, someone I'm in sync with.
I’m glad they did, because the sequel was vastly superior to the original
I find it funny that people praise the first game when it is the most bog standard story there is.
I can’t find who said it for the life of me, but someone said that the game clicked when they saw Abby on that post at the end of the game because they thought she was already dead. Someone else had gotten to her before Ellie could. Yeah she’s dead, but ELLIE wanted to kill her. A hollow feeling starts as the cycle of violence was all for nothi-
Oh motherfucker she’s still alive?
Reminds me a bit of Silent Hill 3. Actually when you come to think of it, the very basic plot of tlou 2 is somewhat similar to Silent Hill 3.
Very very good point. Because you know whats a show that did thst and its payoff was absolutely fantastic? Vinland Saga
fuck that would be so much better, god damn
It was purposeless rabbit holes
Missed the point of the game AGAIN. It's all for nothing because it's not only useless but AN OBJECTIVELY BAD THING TO DO to still seek revenge and kill her. She's actively saving a kid's life by being alive herself, all of her actions were justified, she showed herself being the better person again and again and Ellie STILL!!! STILL misses the point, as most players did.
the one hour mark is the new 10 minute mark and i for one couldn't be happier
I dont even care about the time im just glad its not another NEIL CUCKMAN video
also hi d'angelo
Wow good to see you here dangelo
so happy that you commented from your second channel
Dangelo and jakey my 2 favorite commentators in one place
Raymando this is his first channel for me
Nakeyjakey: Last online 1 year and one month ago today💔
One of the comments is favorited by jakey, that comment was made a month ago, so that means he is alive and well on youtube
@@mr.mediocre8487 he's slumbering, growing stronger for his return.
@@mr.mediocre8487 thank you for this update - i’ve had a pit in my stomach worrying about him
almost 7 now D:
I was also very worried about him
Man, that "only one outcome" where Abby and Ellie fight and Abby dying is a Game Over got to me. I really wanted to just let Ellie win that situation but it wouldn't let it happen.
Ellie did win that situation, letting Abby go was the only scenario where Ellie won.
At the end of it all, I was a sad that I was fighting Abby. I honestly didn't want to kill her
The only way ellie could win in this game is if she never left jacksonville after joel dies. The moment she steps out she lost.
I absolutely hated how you couldn’t kill Abby. That game was such a middle finger 😂
Same, that is how you are meant to feel but people want status by showing off how much they hate Abby etc@@DJVideso
Spec Ops: The Line did what Part 2 was trying to do way, way better than part 2 before even the first one even came out.
Great example. And that huge shock to realize that YOU were the one who released the white phosphorus on civilians actually felt twisted.
The only shock from TLOU 2 was just how quickly Joel’s death was. I thought it was extremely unique to brutally kill a beloved protagonist in that fashion, but I hated how they followed it up. Completely wasted potential.
That game shocked the heck out of me
First time I've seen anyone say anything nice about Spec Ops
Mostly because everyone calls out that, when you take a step back, its "YOU are doing this" message doesn't work when you literally cannot do anything else in the game, so if you don't want to do the big bad war crimes, all you can do is just not play the game
Meaning you spend money to play a video game that actively wants you to stop playing it
And also how indie sensation Undertale blows it out the fucking water on what Spec Ops was trying to do with its genocide route
@@WhimsicottFanaticI think the thing about Spec Ops:The Line is that it saves its twist until the end. Up until that point, it just seems like a typical Call Of Duty affair, and it's less about your actions as a player specifically and more about this character you happen to be in control of. He controls the narrative, you just follow along. Less of an MGS3 "The Sorrow" type thing where it's specifically supposed to be about your choices as a player
And moreso just flipping the typical gameplay structure of a war-glorifying shooter on its head
"Do you feel like a hero yet?"
I’ve lived in the midwest my whole life and I have never heard of Mendards before this video. After this video came out a Menards opened in my town, Jake summoned a Menards to my hometown and I’m scared.
Did you save big money?
@@Winford.Studios I think I’m going to whether I like it or not.
@@powersurge413 😂😂😂
If they have that root beer made with honey there, get it! It's some quality soda
@@sithconsole Holy shit that's the best
Very good video, you put into words what my brain was too tiny to explain, thanks Yoga ball gamer
Nice.
Damn dude
Oh your finally awake. You were caught trying to cross the border right?
Hahaha "tiny brain" XD haha
Gaming
Shout out to Menards, that place is terrifying, it's like a Costco had a baby with a Home Depot
You know what game did this “Revenge is bad” thing much better? Sifu. An extremely different type of game, but hear me out. You start off being killed alongside your dad, but you come back for a reason you don’t know yet and you go to kill all the people responsible, who comprise of this small group of martial arts masters with magic powers, but is lead by someone who isn’t shown to have any real power that would help him in combat (some heavy MGS3 inspiration there) and the games immersive, difficult and satisfying combat helps you on this quest, you don’t even kill everybody along your way- some maybe, but the wide majority of jobbers can be seen writhing on the floor in pain, you’re just trying to get to the people on top who you know are responsible for the death of you and your father. You feel like an absolute badass taking everyone down, and when you finally get to the last guy, the conversation you have reveals that he was practically your older brother, he has all of your moves and probably uses them more effectively than you at this point in the game. When you finally kill him you find out that he killed your father because he wanted to get to this magic pendant that would bring back his wife and daughter, but after realizing his mistake he decided to give it to you. To which you are given a message along the lines of “To use Wude is to show that you can easily beat someone, and when you decide not to, they won’t want to fight anymore.” This gives you at least a base level of guilt, and as you replay through the campaign, you find out that all of the figure heads are kind of pathetic, each with their own problems. In order to spare them all, you essentially have to make the situation harder for yourself, and extend the fight, and then spare them just before handing them the finishing blow. This strategy makes you feel like you are doing the right thing, while still making you feel like a badass, so the quality of the game is not diminished by the story. And sparing the last boss is an extremely difficult task, because he doesn’t want to be forgiven and makes it as hard as possible to spare him, by the time you’ve gotten the good ending, you feel like a true unbeatable master, yet you feel smarter and wiser than when you started, and the best thing is that it was all your choice, the game naturally directed you to do the bad thing first without forcing you, you could’ve gotten the best ending first time around but it manages to make you feel bad for your choices, and satisfied when you rectify them- I don’t think it could’ve been done better.
For all those interested I translated those weird symbols (Wingdings). It says:
"Hey guys I'm releasing new music soon hehe haha I love that you translated this xoxo"
I know Jakey too well at this point, he wouldn't mess up an opportunity like this.
Heck yeah
Well done sir very clever
I knew something was up with those wingdings
oh
wheres the time stamp?
This dude always yellin like his parents are asleep in the next room.
They are
Miss you dad
”Hooooooooly sssssssshiiiiieeeeeh”
Your mom is asleep in the other room XDDDD
XD
I think the core thing, for me, is that this type of game doesn’t see the game play as part of the art but as something to get to the art and in doing that not only hurts the game but also how people view video games as a medium.
The best games use their gameplay to tell stories by itself and in concert with the actual story
Like many Sony exclusives, these are movies first, games second.
Interactive movies.
I agree and I don't think it can easily be any other way. It is being achieved from time to time in the industry and only in specific parts of some games but it is not something to be expected.
3A games have to check some boxes and all of the 3A industry uses fighting as their primary challenge for the player. And it makes sense, games are perfect for this, emulating flights or exploring a world. Because of that though its difficult to be completely coherent as pieces of art. Only indie games have this luxury.
So yeah , all the killing in tlou2 must be disregarded to some extent if you want to allow yourself to be convinced by its story. It's a pact between the player and the developers, unique to this medium of entertainment but not unlike other pacts in different forms of entertainment. Like theater, where one can wave invisible props (e.g. blades) around and everything is ok. Cause the actors or the developers or the directors are not your opponents, they are your allies. And if for some reason you start experiencing anything in bad faith then it will 100% let you down.
The shadow of the 1st tlou is the only reason people talk negatively about the 2nd one. It's understandable but one should reflect on it if he wishes to enjoy the tlou2 for what it is , and not get overran by negativity because of what it's not. Cause there not gonna be another tlou1 ever again.
How is the gameplay not supposed to be part of the art? Most of the impact comes from the way and order in which you're put into the shoes of these characters throughout the course of the story.
I especially don't understand how you could look at both of the Ellie/Abby fights with the context around them and really think that gameplay is an afterthought when it comes to the experience as a whole. Unless I'm misinterpreting your point?
@@noicoiner6151he's saying that the gameplay of murdering people because it's fun (the game wanted to make it fun, pls don't argue about this) is disconnected from the story which is about forgiveness and letting go of revenge.
The motivator for me to bring Ellie across the country was the fact that I thought I was getting a crap ton of guns that Marlene promised 😂
Edit: I’ve never gotten this many likes?! Y’all just made my day 😁
I’m also still disappointed I never got those guns I was promised 😠😢
I've seen some TLOU2 defenders say that the deal was over the moment they left Boston. I find it funny that they thought they were making a remarkable point saying that when it just fueled my hatred for them even more.
@taeminislove you hate people because they like a video game?
bro goofy as hell@@taeminislove
Yeah and they never even gave them to you, they just put a gun to your back and told you to fuck off.
@@taeminisloveI enjoyed the game!
wingdings at 8:21 says: "Hey guys I'm releasing new music soon hehe haha I love that you translated this xoxo"
You are doing God's work out here, chief
This like some 2008 video game easter egg man I love this fucking channel
Nice work chief
That's nice
What?! I thought that was just a visual gag! What the fuck? Is he loomuh-naughty?? Are you????? A....am i...?
The wingdings at 19:22 translates into:
"Hey guys I'm releasing new music soon hehe haha I love that you translated this xoxo"
Whats the one at 8:18 ?
@@deferencetodusk it's the same thing
I also love that you translated that xoxo kiss smooch muah muah love you drive safe
Is anyone almost irrationally annoyed at Abby's dad saving a ZEBRA?
Of all the animals to put resources into saving...during an apocalypse after the collapse of civilization...you choose a zebra??
One of the most unpleasant & useless species on the planet! That are meant to live in giant herds with fellow zebras out on the savannah. This isn't even the right climate for them!
I'm sorry, but you're not going to convince me Abby's father is able to provide a great quality of life for zebras in his situation...and it's not like he's attempting to rebuild their population & natural environment, where they can survive in the wild. It's not like he can get anything out of that zebra either.
No milk, no eggs, no good meat, no reliable young to eat...can't ride it, no physical labor it could help with, no protection it could provide. Can't even pet the damn thing or use it for warmth via snuggles in cold weather. It's never going to show affection or form a real relationship with you.
If anything, that zebra is going to hurt people and risk alerting passerbys to their location...while you dump precious resources & time into keeping it caged & alive, until it dies or escapes.
The risk he's taking (and therefore making everyone who depends on him take) is not worth it in any way.
I am convinced that the only reason they chose zebras is because they could use an easy horse model but give it pretty coloring, making it stand out. I mean, it's definitely a prettier animal to watch him wrangle, compared to a horse or a cow...or one of the other animal species that would actually make sense.
I agree. Using a zebra is just lazy booking
You can tell that they did the relationship between Joel and Ellie well when whenever Ellie is in about to be killed by a dude the player instantly feels that urge to drop everything and help her
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Venom Jacob
@@Toastyk2 Venom Jacob was when he didn't cut his hair till he released his music.
BROTHERS
Liquidy Jakey.
PunishedJakey
Someones gonna make a game with just the rope from last of us 2
that was supposed to be death stranding
The last of us 2 was actually the first strand-type game
Aren’t you supposed to make another snake montage???
@@marsnil it's the revolutionary ladder mechanics game instead
@@marsnil Which is gonna be us in a few months
i feel the issue truly stems from the lack of a sequel being necessary, at all. like what you’ve emphasized, the power to draw our own conclusions from the first games ending is taken away from us, just as the power to choose our roles in the cycle of violence is nonexistent in the gameplay of tlou2.
I wholeheartedly agree. After finishing the first one I had no desire to see this story continue because that would make the ambiguous ending completely fucking useless and with part 2 it did exactly that
The last of us was a one of a kind game and it should’ve stayed that way imo
@@RaymondStormbl3ssed Its kinda like my feelings on the GodFather Part 2. There was no need for a third one.
Can I ask what conclusions you were unable to draw because of the sequel? Also, I really don't understand this "the power to choose our roles in the cycle of violence" take that I keep hearing. Like genuinely, what do you expect this game to be? Do you want the option to not go on the revenge quest? Do you want the option to kill Abby in the theater? Does the game just end right there when you make that decision, or were they supposed to create a second version of the game for when you decide you don't want to experience the story they wanted to tell?
And that's kind of the crux of it, too. The Last of Us is not a choose your own adventure game, it's a highly polished (in terms of visuals and sound) narrative game with shooting and scavenging.
I don't understand what ambiguous conclusions you're not able to draw from the end of the first game. Joel lied to Ellie. If you're engaged in the story, hopefully you understand why and think about the morality of that decision. The end. Part 2, Ellie found out. She confronted Joel and they begin to mend their relationship. Joel dies before their relationship fully heals, sending Ellie on a mission for revenge.
@@RaymondStormbl3ssed Can you explain what was ambiguous about the ending of TLoU 1 and why the sequel makes the ending of the first game useless?
@@usernamesareforidiot your mom
They tried to do a moral parable about how the cycle of violence is bad and failed .
Can't even begin to imagine the insane amount of time that went into putting this video together. Hats off!
I’d say in the neighborhood of 200 hours over the course of a couple months
He takes 4 times longer than Kurzgesagt, and they emphasize quality over quantity.
@@nelzelpher2088
That's most video essays though. They are mostly months of work.
It probably took a bajillion dog years to make
* laughs in MauLer's 15 hour TFA review *
why do you have a gator under your bed.
Daddy claw
You're telling me you don't?
Yoooo it’s you
c a r p e t s a m p l e s f u r s u i t
I caught myself multiple types drifting in thought because of the underlying “gator” theme that can be found in this video
Literally felt like a teacher that was bad at his job trying to teach me on why revenge is bad 😂 that’s the game in a nutshell
When a video game tries to guilt me into involving myself with a cycle of violence but provides me no alternative to doing the violence, I just do the violence harder to spite the game.
👌😂
Although a little bit different as it's more similar to the story of tlou1 in this regard , I think the original Nier game did this much better ( also no real spoilers but i'd be talking about vague story " outlines " so i'd still avoid reading if you haven't played it ) , where you're set on a specific path of violence throughout the story and the game flips it on you in the end by revealing information you haven't been told before . but it works cuz it's a lot more complex than tlou2's message of just saying killing bad , don't kil . Plus , it challenges your view of the game and your actions all while giving you a hard choice at the end , I want to talk about the details but I don't wanna spoil it cuz a remake is coming next year and I think it's a game that everyone should play without knowing much about the story
@@lynackhilou4865 cool read, never finished the first one but adore it to this day, thank you
Exactly. At that point I’m doing it out of frustration. The game is trying to make a statement about how “violence is bad”, whilst actively encouraging only violence. Thats why when the character’s in the cutscenes are having a moral dilemma, I’m going ultra John Wick once the gameplay starts.
Flower_Tower good for you, my guy. I personally wasn’t a fan gameplay-wise, but I though the story was dope af. Automata was where it was at for me on both ends
Jakey just pulled a big daddy level "I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed" on naughty dog damn
That's the best way to put it, love this.
If you're mad at the game, you're looking for a fight. If you're disappointed, you are a fan of NaughtyDog and the first game. Most sane people are just disappointed.
@@D.H.1082 I honestly enjoyed this game, and there is nothing wrong with liking it or hating it.
@@D.H.1082 most sane people loved the game
@@victor_734 I'm not invalidating you. You can exist with that opinion while I exist with the opinion that the game is unplayable halfway through.
He's not wrong.
TLoU ended perfectly and - much like Bioshock - I am blessed with the ability to stop my head canon right there and believe that there was never a second game.
What didn't you like about bioshock 2? Unless you're talking about infinite then that's understandable
I beat the game awhile ago, but now just found your review. 100% agree. The gameplay and story points absolutely cudgel you into a corner and manipulate you emotionally. The flashbacks with Joel and Ellie highlighted what the game could’ve been, but in the end it was all too little too late to recoup what the last game did so exceptionally well.
"I know it goes against my cardinal rule, but I could eat the glass in this game" that had me laughing like nothing else.
As someone who hasn't played a naughty dog game since Crash 3, I can only conclude that Menards offers affordable prices for items to improve you home with
Ngl you had me in the first half
Bro, that discount area by the front door is KILLER. You can get a gigantic bottle of detergent for $10, while getting a new egg pan for $4, and a bag of chips for buy one get one free.
@@Deeplycloseted435 Menard's has everything, it's great
it does indeed :D it's really started outcompeting lowes as of these last few yearst to be honest!
I think there is something Ellie should have asked that we both would have wanted her to ask, and would have even made TLOU2 more redeemable.
Why did you kill Joel?
She didn't even know. The player did, and Ellie was treated as if she already knew. She didn't.
In some way, I would have wanted to turn this whole revenge shit around for a good part of the game and let that question give birth to some form of bonding, however strange and tortuous that may be for the characters. We would get to know Abby at the same time Ellie did.
Though tbh, I'm just, like, not even able to write a single sentence without feeling like I might have to change a whole lot of shit
It would have made it make so much more sense for Ellie to consider sparing her too. Because she could have met Abby's dad personally before the surgery was going to start, so there could be some personal link there. Instead, from her perspective it seems like any random revenge murder, she suddenly feels the need to spare Abby. Would she have spared the brother of the guy who almost killed Joel when he was impaled on rebar if he turned up and killed Joel? Abso-fucking-lutely not.
She pieced it together that they were Fireflies. The surgeon being Abby’s father wouldn’t have meant anything to her since she was asleep the whole time and never met the surgeon.
@@PiesCanFly That is pretty much my point. Ellie had to guess, but then, she still had no clue as to why Abby was the one to do the deed.
If you wanna have a narrative in which you show that people have some humanity too, it's usually best that we find out along with the protagonist. That would also just make it much better for Abby and her crew. It would honestly just make the fact that she decides to randomly pardon her much more redeemable... In a future.
Or so I believe, of course.
@@Winasaurus The problem is Abby's dad was in the end, the one trying to murder Ellie. So it's hard to feel bad for him, even if it weren't Ellie he were killing. He's a doctor murdering a patient. Doctor's can't kill people to save others even if they consent.
@@lProN00blThe point is that Ellie doesn't even know why Abby did what she did. If she knew then there might be some slight hint of a reason to spare her (like feeling like they're even because they both had their dads killed or something), but because Ellie doesn't know, her sparing Abby makes absolutely no sense. Statistically her revenge killing Joel could mean she's from the cannibal group, or just fireflies in general, which wouldn't mean anything to her all so she would have no inclination to spare her. (If she was written consistently.)
I for real discovered your channel yesterday and, oh my, you sir have produced some straight up legendary content. Not saying anything that hasn't been said already a thousand times over, sorry. Just simply wanted to voice my appreciation. Thank you.
I could listen to Jakey talk about games for literal hours. You're the only guy who can make waiting 5 months for a video worth it.
Keep it up snakeboy
I don’t even play naughty dog games and this entertaining asf
Coff coff , internet historian
joseph anderson exists too, bud.
I'm hip dude, his content is simply amazing
‘And I became disappointed’
Damn, sorry Dad
Shit that's why you disappeared when are you going to come back.
Hi disappointed, I'm dad
@Shaman Xeed shut up oh my god shut up stop talking
The first time I encountered a safe, I just listened to the clicks to find out the combination and thought, “Oh, this is neat! You actually have to have an attention span and limited skill to get this extra loot!” Then, I realized, there’s always a note somewhere, which made it feel less significant.
I sense that your thought was the first design intention, and then someone whined about 'accessibility' and rather than have an option in the menu, they did the notes thing instead. (Unless there is such an option in the menu, then it's even worse.)
I totally agree with your take on the morgue in the tent scene that you walk through as Abby as when I first walked through, I was like “oh shit these are all the WLFs that I have killed as Ellie just because they were in my way” and would it have made it more impactful with the whole revenge is bad story they had been building.
6 months ago, Neil Druckmann actually sent assassins to kill Jakey and hid him in a Menards' storage room. Rest In Peace.
Edit: Well guess I was wrong, turns out he was in a relationship with himself (Pine Barrens)
My anxiety is off the chart right now folks!!!
Can confirm, we’ve got the body covered in 11% rebate receipts.
Maybe he hurt himself playing cyberpunk 2077
Save NakeyJakey at Menard's!
seems legit
I found it interesting that Abby bit off TWO of Ellie's Fingers. Leaving her with just enough for Part 3.
Don’t you dare? I’d play it...
That's fucking deep
@Iqbal Fadhilah i was about to say that ellie now got that l4d3 hand
Left 4 dead 3 confirmed
@Iqbal Fadhilah I just commented that you're a wizard harry
dante’s inferno did something similar to metal gear solid. in the game you choose to absolve people of their sins or banish them to hell forever and at the end when you face satan the people you banished to hell or absolved of their sins comes to help you take him down.
Depression sucks. I am glad you found something to look forward to. Please don't stop making these videos. You are talented.
It's a sad day when you realize we're coming up on the the 1 year mark since Jakey's last video.
did he die?
@@mortennikolay Rip to a real one. We will keep you in our memories.
@@robertinogochev3682 what?
@@mortennikolay no, he's just on hiatus.
@@koolaidman4869 i think he said in a patreon post that he was working on music and vids, so i'm sure he'll be back sometime. i'll bet he's just grinding hard on his album; he's been talking about it for years, big dog deserves some time in the peace and quiet to get it done. honestly though, if and when he does come back to youtube, i hope he doesn't feel too much pressure to make something crazy for his comeback, since the increasing scope of his channel is probably part of what's led him to get so burnt out in the first place
This is the most subliminal Menard's commercial I've ever seen
I feel like all their ads are subliminal. That theme songs enough to cause PTSD.
The sheer fact that I sung along with Jakey during that bit shows how effective their commercials are.
my god your videos are incredible i didn't even notice 50 minutes passing by. keep on that, i love it. congrats bro.
"Just like this gator I keep underneath my bed"
Nakey, I think that's a crocodile, not an alligator.
"Danny" has a Wiki page and it's pretty funny after watching this. "Trivia: Danny is never seen alive in-game."
Well, maybe, but that sucks way more than imagining that Danny was someone the player killed and built up a relationship with in gameplay without realising.
Really? I thought Danny was the guy who got hit by Ellie when she burst into the room. He was also the guy who _really_ wanted to kill her before they left.
@@123christianac nope,in the game they said Danny went on a mission with Owen and the reason why Owen didnt come back its because he was the one who killed Danny
@@therealjoker8490 I was referring to the scene when Abby killed Joel. I thought Danny was the one Ellie hit before she was subdued.
@@123christianac ahhhhh ok
Thank you yoga ball gamer with a goopy goblin gamer brain. seriously this was a really good observation into the TLoU series! amazing amazing work!
I know this is off topic but is that some sort of musical verification sign next to your name? That’s pretty cool.
IT'S BEEN SO LONG
Thank you music man for commenting
very cool song you make legit made my childhood and continuing
Love your music
The struggling to talk laughing thing he does that happens multiple times in the video had me in tears especially the did you recognize this blown up person 😂
This video just made me audibly laugh several times. That rarely happens. Great job, man!
It's incredible how well you can get your point across while sprinkling in all kinds of editing gags. It would be so easy to have the gags distract from the video over all but you pace them so well that it works!
Your comment was good for the algorithm
love seeing you places
@Shaman Xeed Is this a joke or you're actually that angry over this.
@Shaman Xeed wtf
Hey, its Mr. Pokemon Challenge guy person. Love your Emerald challenge runs.
Its officially been a year. I just hope he's been doing alright. RUclips shouldn't be his priority but I still miss him all the same.
Yes I agree
@@spiderman8429 thanks spiderman
@@spiderman8429 thanks spiderman
@@spiderman8429 thanks spiderman
@@spiderman8429 thanks spiderman
I love exploring in this game. Find new equipment, cards, letters was very meditative for me.
Point about body bag in the morgue is very good by the way. Never thought about it, it would be really great extension for immersion and atmosphere.
Can we all just talk about how much we love and miss Jakey? I noticed other people are also posting messages to him on here since this is his most recent video. Idk if he will ever come back. I just hope wherever he is, he’s ok. But I will say this, Naughtydog has been real quiet since he released this video. Maybe he knew too much……
Its crazy that his subs are increasing even tho he's mia
@@dcta51 yea this dude and gradeAunderA are the same XD
once a month I have to check in just to make sure yt isn't playing me XD
He posted an update on his patreon a little while back, he’s alive and well, he’s just taking a break from social media. He has a couple projects that he’s working on as well for when he comes back, but right now it’s mainly just R&R
@@empash nearly 6 months ago
@@Winford.Studios Eddy Burback said on the Gus & Eddy podcast a few weeks back that Jakey’s still working on content so in other words he’s still doing fine he’s just MIA for the time being
I think it's kinda unfair to compare this game to Metal Gear Solid 3 because the game industry as a whole still hasn't caught up to it's snake eating technology
What a thriiiiill~
Last of Us 2 didn't have the budget of 100 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
I effin LUVED MGS4 Psyche meter that would force me to quit killin & start spewin LoL! Every time Liquid's voice sayin "U Enjoy all the killin!!" MGS4 was the 1st game I played on PS3, arrived very late to vidyagames like Hank Hill he-he!
@@Chinga3000 what?
@@IR-Fan it had
Fact check
returning to this video after years, Jakey’ so good ❤
i come back and watch this video all the time, it so perfectly captures and explains the conflicted feelings i had after the game. i think some of the core problems of the game wasn't only in that they force the player to act out all this violence to teach them "violence is bad and will get you nowhere" but that 1. this is already such an obvious, overused lesson that it becomes much less affecting and more childish (which just puts pressure on the creators to teach you this lesson in a new, compelling way that will actually make you think about it, which they didn't) 2. the game relied so heavily on shock value and excessive violence and neglected other areas that would actually render these shocking moments as things that mean something and SAY something rather than just, you know, shock you, and 3. unlike in the first game (where for pretty much the entirety of the game you are in the same headspace as joel and you do the things the game wants you to do because you want to do them as well because you learn and understand things at the same time as the characters and thus usually have the same motivations as them) in the second game you arrive at the conclusion the game is trying to get you to far too early. you know why the game is making you do this, you get the lesson, you get the motivation, and so (at least for me) you don't NEED to enact all this violence anymore, but the game forces you continue to do it over and over until the CHARACTERS finally reach the conclusion you as the player reached hours ago. and so regardless of how emotional or compelling the game was it still felt empty at the end. love the videos always jakey keep it up 🕺
God imagine thinking the message of the game was "violence is bad." Go back to playing Battlefield campaigns or something.
@@ImperialCaleb what's the mesage of the game then
@@foxwizards The main theme is moving on, and the thematic message is that you need to move on from pain before it kills your soul and drives people away (or in the extremes, literally kills you and others.) Saying it's about how violence is bad is like saying Apocalypse Now is about how violence is bad. Yes... it is technically showing you that violence is bad. But saying that's the point, it's childish.
@@ImperialCaleb fair enough, i can see that. thanks for taking the time to answer, i often miss or misunderstand themes in things
@@foxwizards No problem, sorry I was a dick. It just upsets me that this game is disliked over what is essentially people not understanding it, and that sounds arrogant of me but I wouldn't care if it wasn't SO widespread. And the fact that RUclips videos with tons of views also misunderstand it, and these are the people who are helping people form views about the story, is frustrating and sad for the game. And themes/main theme can be hard to figure out, especially considering that there are plenty of low effort stories out there that can mess with how you interpret things in media. Most importantly for theme, you have to look at what caused the arcs of the main character (or characters, in this case), what the ending means for the possible theme (and if it's a cautionary tale or not), and how the theme is seen by the antagonists (antagonists, especially villains, usually have a different take on the theme, one that goes against the message the story wants to show you, and thus, they often suffer for it. For TLOU2, you could say:
Is it showing me that violence is bad? In a broad sense, yes. But it's too broad, it could be applied to too many stories. Even war stories are trying to show that war is bad, not necessarily just violence. And in the end, it doesn't really seem like Ellie and Abby learn that violence is wrong. And what does Ellie's flashback to her conversation with Joel when she's drowning Abby have to do with violence? Nothing.
Is it showing me that forgiveness is good? Hm, there's an argument there. Abby ends up teaming up with Scars, though she really doesn't seem to have much personal beef with Scars in general. Ellie seems to learn to or want to forgive Joel in the end, and there's that conversation between her a Joel too. But... Ellie forgiving Joel doesn't really work for her sparing Abby. She doesn't forgive Abby, she doesn't really even know that much about her (only the player does.) And the antagonists like the Scars and WLF, what do they have to do with forgiveness? Well, they do refuse to forgive each other for past violence, but forgiveness is the wrong word here, militaries don't really forgive each other, it's more like they refused to... move past it.
Hey, move past it, moving on. Ellie moving on from Joel helps to explain her sparing Abby. She doesn't forgive Abby, but in that moment of holding complete control over Abby's fate, she realizes it doesn't appease her, and it's doing nothing to erase the guilt she feels for not forgiving Joel, which is another example of her inability to move on. Not all of her pain could've been escaped by choosing to move on (Joel would still be dead) but she would've had more time with him when he was alive, Jesse would still be alive, Dina would still be her partner, and her soul would be unburdened with what she ended up doing in Seattle. Her sparing Abby is a massive step into adopting this new idea, as is leaving Joel's guitar in the old farmhouse. For Abby, she also couldn't move past her father's death, and she ended up almost completely destroying her and Owen's relationship, turning her body into a weapon, and ultimately causing the deaths of all her friends. And she adapts the theme much quicker in the story than Ellie, as it starts with her getting her revenge on Joel, and though it's not directly said, she doesn't get the peace she thought that would bring her. Reconnecting with Owen also helps set her back on the path towards learning how to move on from past pain, which is shown by her being the "top Scar killer" but choosing to save some Scar kids, as well as ultimately choosing to completely abandon the WLF in favor of rejoining the Fireflies. Just look at how Abby acts in Santa Barbara, it's nothing like how she acts at any point during her WLF service.
Now I'll add, there's technically not a wrong way to interpret a story, and there are almost always many themes at play in any given (good) narrative. But harming your own enjoyment over what is sort of a misinterpretation of the main theme(s) is a bad thing because it's keeping you from something you might enjoy if you came closer to the intent.
Jakey sounds like he's tryin not to wake up the neighbors tonight.
[ _silent screaming intensifies... mildly_ ]
Such a respectful boy
“A triple A game that doesn’t rely on mindless violence as the primary game mechanic”
Love it or hate it: Death Stranding
Yup - they should have removed those boss fights. Would have made the game even better.
The biggest problem with gaming nowadays is that every game has to appeal to everyone, which usually means 1 of 3 types of games. And that problem leaks over into consumers as well. Instead of people saying “Death Stranding is a really unique game that I’m not into” everyone just thinks “You don’t do anything, this game is shit and pretentious.”
@👁 Hilarious how you say that when games like Portal 2 and Minecraft are critically acclaimed.
You know I had a very bad case of the common cold around the time that game came out. I played that game for like nine days straight while suffering through the worst headaches and fever I've had in years and to be honest the sort of calm and chill gameplay that didn't require too much thought really helped me through that time. It's not a game I'll revisit anytime soon but I do appreciate it existed when it did.
Bobby Jimboy I don’t even like Death Stranding that much really. It’s a seriously flawed game that thinks it’s being more profound and inventive than it is. My point isn’t that we shouldn’t criticize games or that “artistic” games are automatically better. What I’m saying is that mainstream gaming has become so homogenized, that people no longer appreciate creative ideas.
Look at Spider-man on PS4. Really fun game, but it plays like a checklist of every overused AAA mechanics ever. Same thing with Dad of War. Very few people are going to argue it isn’t a well made game, yet it also plays like the most generic amalgamation of overused AAA game tropes. Games like Death Stranding, The Last Guardian, Killer 7 don’t get the same automatic plaudits from fans and critics because they actually take risks and pose new ideas, while other games are seen as less flawed because they’re safer.
Bro great video and effort! Fantastic!
I bet Jakey's Kermit the Frog impression is fire.
All I got from this 50min video essay:
*SAVE BIG MONEY AT MENARDS*
Odd Taggynn we the Midwest gang let’s go lol
“Don’t eat glass cause it’s bad for ya teeth” this glass must be real good to break the rule
As a somebody who also suffers from Goopy Goblin Gamer Brain, my heart goes out to you and I’m glad to see some representation in media
God you are amazing, never stop creating. Luv u
My grandpa had a teddy bear that would sing the Menards jingle.
He was a carpenter. He had a lot of 2x4s. I don't recall him bonking any Pittsburgians though...
wait your grandpa never assaulted anybody with a 2x4?
Just 'cause you don't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
He wouldn't tell you
When the world needed him the most, he returned.
Straight up!
actually tho
He never left. Just was waiting to strike.
thy never abandon
Stfu
Man, you unlocked some deep-seated nostalgia using songs from the Pilotwings 64 soundtrack. Kudos to you; I think you're the first and only youtuber I've seen (wait, heard?) use it.
The line before the mic drop still hits harder than the entirety of the last of us part 2, even a few years later
The amount of love that goes into these videos is incredible. The script alone probably took so much time. We love you jakey
It prolly took a bagillion dog years
@@jacksonpike3394 to think that that goopy goblin gamer brain was capable of suck excellence
What is the name of the music used at 32:20?
@@indrayanray5132 its gonna be a hard hard time finding that song from a 10 second clip with jake talking over it, but i wish you the best of luck in finding it
@@bingusenjoyer197 Don't worry. I found it.
My head cannon is, after this video, Jakey went on a soul search running cross country Forrest Gump style. He is currently lost on some desert having mind opening experience with a cactus.
Jakey is probably getting nakey with that cactus
Thank you futaba
So he took the Mike Posner route to awakening. Legit.
Or, he's tripping on cactus juice like Sokka
Damn, he really was on a soul search run haha
Your flow is fantastic, had no idea I was 48 minutes in until you needed to get a drink. Haha
everyone seems to always forget the TLOU1 was written by 2 people, not just Neil. but guess who wrote part 2... just Neil. He's a great writer, just not for video games. Then there's someone like Kojima, who can hardly write a grocery list, let alone a compelling and logical narrative, but you put his whacky coo-coo for coco puffs ideas in a game and i'll eat that shit up like an advent calendar on December 1st after my parents went to sleep. because its engaging in all the right ways, as well as having the narrative and gameplay mechanics intertwined in unique and interesting ways
Didn't he co-write the game with a writer from Westworld?
@@ethai1 it was Bruce Straley, who goes uncredited, but played a big role in the story. Druckmann and straley created the story together with straley scrapping druckmann’s original idea for the Tess revenge plot as it was just unrealistic to have someone driven across post-apocalyptic America solely motivated by anger. Which Neil seemed to really like...
A quote from Neil during a Q&A after TLOU1 "I think a lot about design and Bruce thinks a lot about story. We wrestle with ideas and make sure story is working with gameplay."
Another quote from Neil talking about Bruce's input on the writing: ruclips.net/video/HuiCj4zATsw/видео.html
He is credited as directing along with Neil however.
I don't think Bruce ever wrote on Westworld but maybe?
@@dannooooooo Oh I was referring to part 2. I think on part 2 Neil co wrote the game with another writer who worked on Westworld
I don't mind. His weird noggin thinks up of some of the most fun gameplay I've experienced.
We've got enough triple A titles with good stories.
kojima is a good director, he has his bad side but generally he know his stuff and has years of Experience. Neil on the other side has mostly wrote good things with other people and alone has made so much bad decision
Love you Jakey, hope you're doing well. Can't wait to see a new vid.
Damn he's still in the comments lmao that's a good youtuber, even if I disagree with him on this
Ohhhhh boy
@@taxevader674 you are nitpicking and biased. Jakey wins. Bye bye
This video was four months ago. Your comment was a week ago . That's a fucking legend there
If the time line of previous videos is anything to go by something should be coming out really soon?
Hopefully
The gator under the bed gag is hilarious and I don’t know why
Really hit close to home I think
started binge watching your vids...yeahhhh thats a sub from me the writing is too damn good.
Beautifully made video, very well said
My video froze right at 37:53, IMMEDIATELY after he said “The pacing is like” and I thought it was a gag
Thats facts tho
SAME! It worked though. Lol
>do a flip
>fail and break arm
>crawl to phone in agony as Jake begins to spout spoilers unable to stop him
underrated
That was his masterplan
@Shaman Xeed XD
@Shaman Xeed disagree
Damn I hate when that happens
This is the second time I’ve watched this video within 2 years and I can’t wait to revisit it a third time in another 2 years. Excellent work sir. Excellent
This game was like the scene in the eric andre show where he shoots hannibal and then is upset that someone shot hannibal
"Why would the player do this?"
"Who killed Hannibal?"
this whole game is like the dear sister meme, but they tried to make it unironic
This channel is dead.
@@colin-campbell What
“So anyways, Joel gets b-“ *ad*
“...onked on the head”
go back to the Gungeon where you belong bullet boi
it was "joel gets bonk" for me lol
Fucking killed me
For me it was: So Joel gets -"Dr. Squatch soap...."
It always baffles me when people say that this game is a masterpiece of storytelling and has a deep and meaningful message when it can boiled down to "going on a murder spree is bad, don't do it". If you've read books, or watched films, that are narrative heavy, the story would be aggressively average and superficial if not also unnecessarily gory.
clocked the midwestern from the way u said "naughty dog", then i got to the menards reference.... b i n g o
just stumbled across ur channel, thank u for this excellent review
I did the flip, now I’m paralyzed from the neck down.
Then who is type comment
Dan he used speech to text
sucks to be you
@@plugshirt1684 then who is press speech to text button
@@Dan-ji4db He put his hands above his neck to type
My main takeaway: east coast needs a Menard's
Home Depot take it or leave it
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I live in Mi and have a Menards here
Theres the home depot i guess
Nice