Intel 2017 Apollo Lake NUC Mini PC Review - Celeron J3455 - NUC6CAYS
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
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VIDEO INDEX:
00:48 - Hardware overview
01:56 - Upgrading RAM and storage
03:55 - Performance: RUclips 1080p 60
04:24 - Performance: Web Browsing
05:24 - Performance: Microsoft Word and Office
05:38 - Gaming: Minecraft
06:09 - Gaming: Counterstrike GO
07:50 - Modern Emulation / Emulators
08:25 - Kodi and Home Theater
09:28 - BIOS screen
10:14 - Conclusion and final thoughts
Related links:
Unboxing and disassembly:
• Intel NUC NUC6CAYS Unb...
Keyboard used in the review:
• Logitech K830 Backlit ...
I am very impressed with the new Apollo Lake architecture. This computer is a tremendous value and delivers outstanding performance for its class. The $215 price tag includes a Windows license, 2GB of RAM, and a 32GB of EMMC storage.
Installing a second stick of RAM will offer a good speed boost especially for graphically intense activities like games and video editing. There are two RAM slots and a full notebook size SATA adapter and mounting bracket inside the case.
The NUC is not fanless but I rarely heard it. The fan is among the quietest I've seen in a small PC like this.
I was surprised by its gaming performance, delivering 30 fps in Counterstrike GO with settings turned way down at 1080p. Emulators for modern systems also worked better than expected.
All in there's definitely some innovation still happening with PCs at the low end of the market. The Apollo Lake chip in the NUC6CAYS is a good improvement over last year's generation.
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Lon!I love your reviews. Short, complete and honest.Keep up the good work. You have helped me numerous times on deciding the right on product.Always have been happy when I followed your lead.
Warning: MEMORY UPGRADE SHOWN IN VIDEO IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH Intel Nuc NUC6CAYS
If you try upgrade the memory with the sticks shown in video (Crucial CT51264BF160B), you will get an "Unsupported 1Gb or 2Gb Density Error" while booting. The architecture requires 4 rectangular chips/stick instead of 8 square chips.
Here is an explanation:
www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/boards-and-kits/intel-nuc-kits/000023485.html
Intel Nuc Recommended Memory
www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/boards-and-kits/000023025.html
Just started using the barebones version of this NUC with a 240GB SSD, 8GB of RAM, and Ubuntu 18.04 installed. A couple of minor teething errors here and there as I'm trying to get used to Linux, but so far, I am extremely impressed with its performance.
It's interesting to see your desk office area looking like my old childhood
I was looking around the web for a mini pc suiting my needs. And woops there is Lon reviewing it 😁 already a subscriber . Great Review!
Update the drivers from intel, It now supports eight full range channels at 24-bit/96 kHz audio of lossless audio
does it support atmos as well ?
Godsend! Was looking for a mini pc for the office this year. This will do perfect.
With the mini PC's could you please add the power consumption into your reviews? It would be very helpful.
Great videos. Thank you
i just got mine and put 8gb of RAM w/ 500gb ssd.... PERFECT casual home cpu. even got enough power to play MTG Arena when i get bored, and dont feel like pulling out the gaming laptop..
Great reviews off these low power devices, but I miss one imprtant thing and that is power consumption. A little power test would be nice. Just a simple read out from a simple power meter is fine.
The power values you fnd in the specifications are in general not really usuable.
That's a good point. Using something like the Kill-A-Watt is what I use. It has really helped me lower all of the power consumption in my house. That little $15 dollar device has saved me HOW MUCH I DO NOT KNOW ...
www.pcgamer.com/how-to-measure-your-pcs-total-power-consumtion/
yeah i want to know what the power usage is compared to my amd sempron 2650 mini itx pc
how did the kill a-watt device save you money did you replace all your electronics with low power devices costing you an arm and a leg😂
Excellent review, everything I wanted to know - thanks!
I'm looking forward to getting one of these when the i3 version comes out. I've been considering one for some time, but now that they're coming out with their next generation of them, im doing my best to hold off. Hopefully it won't be much past the end of the month before they come out.
I bought this and returned it. It ran fine, but I could not get it to boot into the recovery partition. I like to fiddle with these things too much, not be able to restore to factory.
Next, I ordered the barebones. (same unit $159) With it I bought a 525 GB ssd. I had 2x2 gb of the proper memory so I am using them. Win 10 pro key was about $50 and download OS from Microsoft.
Running Happauge TV tuner USB. I like to watch, pause, and record live tv OTA.
Kill-a-watt: 1.1 watt, unit off. Boot about 14 watt. About six at idle. 10 watt playing 1080p video through WD passport hdd.
Playing same video while tv tuner operating was about 18 watts, and neither stuttered. (your mileage may vary)
The emmc 32gb drive on the windows unit, used in this review is slower than 2.5 ssd and the 2 GB ram would likely be replaced, anyway.
I have just over $350 in it with my old memory and have windows 10 pro. And enough drive space to be comfortable.
How did you get Windows 10 Pro for $50? It is nowhere near that on their website for even the Home version.
Kinguin, for the key. It activated ok and if you pay about $5 they guarantee it. (worth it)
Loved your review. I only wish that they would put in (maybe) a M2 / NVMe port and/or another Sata3. I always do one Sata3 for OS and other for Programs / Games, and all of us my stuff flies. But, one single port is (somewhat) limiting unless you don't really use this for much other than just streaming and/or light use.
Does it support 4k HDR playback?
Good review, I have a i3 skylake nuc pretty happy with it
It would be nice to see a review of the asrock desk mini 110. You get full desktop performance in what is a tiny form factor
Uhhhh I love the new design!! Will get a Kaby Lake i3 or i5 as my new HTPC =)
Great review Lon!
But What ever Happened to the new 5x5 platforms for motherboards and cases? Those would blast any nucs or brics out of the water! Really waiting to hear more about them from a knowledgeable guy like you!
John P you mean mini-STX? Asrock and Intel have updated the Asrock mini for kabylake, but haven't seen any yet. With a g4650 and HT, will be a mighty budget system for sure.
Yes...Looking at the new 5x5 boards and cases that MSI, Asrock,Gigabyte and others are Introducing ,including ASRock Z270M-STX MXM. Why is no one talking about them...very very little info. Hope they will come out with some lower profile cases for these boards....Plese Ron...look into this......
Thx nice review;) i buy the Intel NUC Kit NUC7i7BNH i7-7567U with 16 gb ram and 500gb samsung ssd;) for 750 euro's;)
03:55 can the Celeron J3455 also run RUclips at 4K or even 4K 60?
I want to buy a ASRock J3455-ITX, but I dont know if this CPU can handle that ...
Thank you for a proper review!
Might use one of these in a arcade cabinet build. Wonder how it will run Mame with filters on.
check the kodi settings sometimes it's not set to hdmi audio output
Fix posted on Intel for audio issue on NUC. This might fix your issues. Thanks for the review and I am going to buy one this week.
Link to Intel fix: downloadcenter.intel.com/download/26609/NUCs-HDMI-2-0-Firmware-Update-Tool-for-Intel-NUC-Kit-NUC6CAY-and-NUC7i3BN
awesome I'll check it out!
For your RAM benchmarking, did you keep the total amount of RAM the same? E.g., 1x8 vs 2x4?
Hope to see your review for the Nvidia Shield (2017)
Gio Rodz just watch his review of the 2015 shield its the exact same hardware. What you want is review of the new software update version 5.0
Nice review. I'm thinking of getting one for home, but I want to ask one question, just one:
Can it run crysis?
Had a "Kangaroo" computer that had an Intel Atom chip, the processor was more than adequate to play back my videos since I'm only running 1080p files, but the ram was only 2gb and the built in ssd was 32gb. I was literally to the point where windows 10 was not installing updates because the 32gb wasn't enough, and I really only had chrome and some software to play back my video files on it (so less than 500mb of additional software on the device). Anyways it finally had some kind of catastrophic failure and I bought this NUC here, I'll probably regret it since it's now November of 2017, but until I have a device I won't be able to play anything, waiting until they release a new version of the NUC isn't in the cards. Anyways I think this NUC will be more than adequate for my needs especially since I've gotten a 128gb SSD and 8gb of ram to put in this. Way better than what I was using before which was adequate 90% of the time anyways.
Thanks for all the detailed info on this system, really useful.
hey Lon, how do you think this would handle as a plex media server with USB 3 hard drive plugged directly in and not over wifi. Can you add this to feature to future testing as well. as usual really good review
I'm holding off on Plex now as the hardware encoding just went into beta. See here: ruclips.net/video/wY4gn-tkN-Y/видео.html . -- running on the Voyo
for some reason, I have not been able to get the NUC to display (via HDMI) on the Samsung TV (UN60KU630), I am not sure if I need to do something to the TV (I did reset the TV and try setting it up again, nothing). Or adjust the NUC display properties, not sure. Could be that I actually need a 2.0 HDMI cable, will pick one up later (seems dubious, but I'll give it a try.)
Great review! How would you compare this against the Compute Stick?
I wonder everytime if World of Warcraft Legion would be possible...maybe a 5 man dungeon?
Is that question so hard to answer? :D
It seems that the bios update fixed the audio passtrough :)
oh i just though can you do a video on all the settings, so we can see what they do, i am asking because i am doing some research on these mini pc in order to know which to buy
I thought it says it supports 7.1 channel audio? So it puts out only 5.1 DD and DTS via the Optical out?
Yet another great review thanks, just wondering if the CPU is integrated or is it possible to swap it out with something a bit faster down the road?
+Doug F not swappable on this one
Just what I was looking for until the part it doesn't support the HD audio.... Would it work using the toslink port as I read its a problem with the hdmi?
if it can do 2160p at 60hz does that mean it can do 120hz at lower resolutions like 1024x768 on hdmi?
You talk about a fan, i see rpm in the bios, but not in the physical device, how does that work?
Suppose to support HD audio formats right out of the box. But Intel has a history of not getting this to work under Windows. Scroll down to section: Windows HTPC Credentials in this link: nucblog.net/2017/01/apollo-lake-nuc-review-nuc6cayh-33-linux-htpc-conclusions/ for more information.
The fix will come in a video driver update from Intel.
Great little machine. Any thoughts on using it as a Plex Media Server? If not, and other min-PCs you'd recommend for a PMS?
I see in the setting this system has a motion blue setting, does it also have judder control setting, and what does the motion blur on this model do, thank you
What software should I use to clone the emmc drive to an SSD?
rufus. i just used it to change a chromebook to Win10
What do you think the best mini computer for PhD student. I am looking for mini computer for me and my need is a computer with with PC( because most of scientific software work with PC) my need also is office software and browser. I need it so so so fast too. I need to advise on which is best for students
Does it support automatic boot up after power failure?
Hey Lon,
How would this handle everyday office work using Microsoft office applications and light photoshop work?
Thanks
Yes just fine
will there be a significant boost to celeron j4006 thats going to release soon?
I want to buy a nuc (and add 2x4 ddr4 2400mhz ram and ssd) to game at 720p.
I noticed on the Bios screen your ram is running at 1600 Intel's website says the J3455 supports up to 1866. How much would this affect the internal graphics performance when using faster ram?
This is my understanding of the nuc:
Pentium and Celeron is limited to 4gb
i3 and i5 is limited to 8gb
i7 is limited to 16gb
naw, i got this model wit the Celeron and 8gb works great. only $50 on ebay too.
lon on the games can you add league of legends so i can see the performance
Is there an automatic power on after a power failure?
Can you suggest a small or mini pc that is fanless or super quiet and will allow my grandson to play online video games like pogo and steam? Prefer under the $400 mark. Thanks
My 15" Dell laptop Core i5 4th gen runs the fan on high when he plays pogo games so.
Just a heads up OpenElec has basically been killed off in favor of LibreElec. Also read this thread for fixes on Apollo forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=270298
You need to get the new i3 7350k in a system and see how it works as a plex server
If I go for 1 x 8GB ram, instead of 4GB x 2 dual channel.. will it be the same? Or dual channel will still be better than 1 stick of 8GB ram? Thanks... love your explanation and comparison
Dual channel is always better
Whats the power consumption on normal and full load?
SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON!
Smashed.
Is there an internal audio speaker?
can you help me? can you say if this source power plug is P4?
so basically it is still a PC x86 based, right? just asking so if I am to buy this model without OS, i would like to install android OS on it and set it up as android TV box if possible. please advice, Thank you.
Can you install Remix OSon the extra drive?
Have you tested many mini PC's like this with a dual nic?
for some reason im only get at 360p version
Ditto, maybe it's still transcoding?
lon.tv/360p
lon.tv/360p
eukat3ch derp
Did you try LibreElec on the device to see how that version of Kodi would work? I would think the HD audio formats should work in that OS.
I may give that a shot next!
Aaron McFarland hi mines arrived today and is able to. Pass through hd audio via hdmi on kodi 16.1
hi Lon, I'm a big fan of your Channel. how do you think the nuc would perform as a Plex server?
Not too well - yet. See this video on how much better things will be when hardware transcoding leaves beta: ruclips.net/video/wY4gn-tkN-Y/видео.html
does it support nvme ssd or pcie ssd?
Would it support the 4k streaming from Netflix and Amazon Prime video? Intel said only the 7gen chips will support that, but does Appolo lake count as 7 gen? Thanks.
nope - just Kaby Lake. Yay for DRM!
Nvidia Shield and this are at about the same price point, so which would you recommend?
I think it really depends on what you want to do with it. I prefer the Shield for Home Theater applications given that it has a better interface for that sort and has better 4k support for Netflix and now Amazon.
Should I wait a few months for apollo cpu releasing on netbooks or buy one right now??
jacob john I would wait a few months
is it compatible with chrome os?
Been eyeing this up. Other candidate is a MINIX NEO Z83-4. The minix is a SOC, this is not, I know.
You seem not to review many (if any?) neo boxes on the channel but I know you know your chips quite well. The minix box uses a Cherry Trail CPU. I lost the story a long time ago when it came to CPUs :-/ are u familiar with it Lon, and how it might compare vs this Skylake CPU?
I tried the Minix, terrible device especially for home theater. So bad I didn't even get to reviewing it yet.
Lon.TV im surprised at your comment Lon. I don't know if you are referring specifically to the model I mentioned, or whether that's your opinion of Minix in general, but I think general opinion of Minix is that their boxes are actually quite good as HTPC's, and with commendable after-support.
what version of Windows comes with it, 32 Bit or 64 bit?
64 Bit sir.
No windows comes with it to be honest :) you got to buy windows on the side.
Actually BenZoN, are 2 submodels of this particular nuc.. The NUC6CAYH is the barebones model without memory or storage, nor operating system. The NUC6CAYS, however, does come ready to use out of the box with memory, storage and windows 10
Ahh where im from they dont sell thos versions then, we only got the barebone's they aint bad ad all :)
Did you try installing Linux on it?
Install Lakka on it (RetroArch) and you get a dream console.
Would you/ could you, use this instead of the HDHomerun prime box and if so what are your options for the Cable card insertion.
It doesn't support cable card
***** could you explain the "bad value" rating for the HDHR as it relates to the NAS server. Really like to understand all aspects of this configuration as I am researching setting this up for my home.
***** bare with me see if I have this understood, the plex server is for placing video you either recorded on your own or videos downloaded from the web to your Plex server.
Ignoring the other media types plex is capable of handling and focusing on video.
Now from my brief read up "tvheadend" is your own personal video recorder. What does this use as a TV guide service or does it act in this capacity?
Guessing you are not using HDHR DVR software.
I will continue to search for this configuration and maybe can avoid paying the initial 60.00 US dollar fee followed by yearly fee of 30.00 US Dollars by using your setup.
Hi Lon. How would this compare with the kangaroo? I'm looking for something low cost.
+Trevor Paisley this will be a lot faster
Lon.TV cool thanks
I think I found my new pc
What is the best home theater remote for a pc like this? I have an Rii8 but I'd like a remote with IR and full keyboard in one remote.
buy a flirc and use it with any remote of your choice thats ir
But what's the best remote? intel NUC already have an IR chip
I have OpenELEC installed on my NUC and use my PS3's media remote.
WoT fps??
hey lon great channel love your content just a question about these mini pc are they able to play games like american truck simulator or euro truck simular 2 or gta 4 already have these games just looking for a pc that can run them even at its lowest settingi have an acer aspire es 15 i can run the trucking sims graphics are not good but it works but gta 4 i cant run looking for something cheap to buy to play these games
If I'm reading this correctly, I think you are asking if this device will run certain games better than your current laptop. If you need to game on a restricted budget, I'd suggest rather than going for one of these devices with a cheap, low end Intel processors (or any Atom, Celeron or Pentium with the prefix N or J, ie Celeron N3350, or Pentium J2900), I would strongly urge you to spend more money on a device with a Broadwell, Skylake, Kaby Lake processor (denoted by Celeron, Pentium, i3, i5, or i7 with the prefix G or the suffix U or M, such as a Celeron 3855U or Pentium G4620). These processors would all provide much better performance than any of the budget products could. I've been through this; I used to be rocking a laptop with a Celeron N2830, an incredibly weak budget chip. Now I've built a desktop with a Core i3-6100 and the performance is massively better in every way.
If you're really set on a NUC, then this (www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BM56F2432) at $270 USD at the time of writing would provide a massively faster CPU and graphics combination that would likely have no problems running all the games listed.
yes you are right Mama Luigi thanks for the comment and yes really tight on money just looking for the cheapest and most smallest alternative either laptop or mini pc with an os if possible
MamaL:
Thanks for that Newegg link. Very nice pricing and good product. I might (eventually) move to having one of these by my TV. I have a big PC now, and it's wonderful. But, be nice to make everything small & quieter. So, thank you. Also, I wish that all of these little devices would start having M2 / NVMe ports or more Sata3. One Sata3 is really sucky. Again, thanks for sharing.
Mama:
Yep, look that device ... www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BM56F2432
wow ... does have a M2 port ... 1 x M.2 slot (2280_storage) ... Yep, that's a SWEET MACHINE. Shawn, get that one, looks much better from initial cursory review of the specs. WOOHOOO -- NVMe ... WOW!!!!
Even better is this one ... little more $320 ... i5 and M2 plus Sata3 port. Almost talking myself into this. So fair priced and powerful. Amazing !!!
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BM56G3232
What does the yellow usb-port do?
Never mind :D
how is the nuc with video editing n photoshop
I am using elements 13 and it's not as fast as my i7, it is usable.
Only 360p here too
lon.tv/360p
How much power use at the plug was there?
David McBenge probably around 10-15w
can this computer run emulator games such as nintendo wii
Watch the video :)
Liked! Thanks Lon :-)
Can this run a dual-monitor setup?
Yes it can. I run both HDMI & VGA monitors. The VGA is the "primary".
are the i3/15/i7 models out yet?
I don't see any. On an article written Jan 3rd, The Nuc Blog wrote "i3 model is supposed to be out still this month with the i5 and i7 following in February and March".
How good is the J3455 with a GPU?
no thunderbolt port, so no upgrade
I think its pronounced as "Nuke" makes sense, but what do i know
so this is an atom Chip? I thought they were being Discontinued?
No, it's a Celeron chip. Atom isn't discontinued officially (last processors came out in Oct. 2016) but it may be phased out completely in the future.
actually these are Atom chips www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/embedded/products/apollo-lake/overview.html Intel® Atom™ Processor E3900 Series, Intel® Celeron® Processor N3350, and Intel® Pentium® Processor N4200
Low power. Plugged In. More like "can't fix our heat problem so we just make desktops out of our laptop crap"
Mr Humpty what ?
I found this place some time ago when I was looking for some way to get more ports or addons to a Intel NUC device, but in the end I did not buying a Intel NUC, I bought some other computer hardware, anyway check them out if you are interested.
www.gorite.com/
В нём можно сидеть в контакте?
Well Intel nuc have i3 i5 and i7 ok choose i3 that is fast
I bet you owe some serious late fees for the Blockbuster video on the shelf behind you.
Here's the story behind the box! ruclips.net/video/N0DC5ZNhSFw/видео.html
Hey wait! We PATREON subscribers are 'paying for this review' -- aren't we? ;)
Not directly :). Remember it's in a lock box for when I'm able to bring on staff !
Off topic, but didn't you have a issue with the USB Linux Live messing your windows computer up?
hi i was wondering if i use this mini nuc pc and hook up gtx card on exp gdc to the m.2 slot inside of it will it increase gaming performance i mean the cpu is quad core which is pretty fast
its a little crappy mobile celeron cpu. good for its limited uses. go build a pc.
booo, no display port!
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firsy