So, as this video was uploading, I remembered that the old HGUC and MG Ground Gundam come with a marking sticker sheet that only has the 1st, 4th, 6th and 8th MS team on them. That confirms my suspicion of the 5th team being a GM team. Also, while I typically prefer the “20 Ground Gundams in total” number, I also found 1 source that states that 20 Ground Gundams were assigned to the Kojima Battalion. (ガンダムの常識, p.134) Seeing as how they had to repair Karen’s Gundam with a GM Head, and Shiro’s Gundam with whatever they had lying around, I find it doubtful that they had 8 spare Gundams hanging around.
What I like about the 2018-ish release of the 1/144 HG of the RX-79[G] is the number decal sheet has a large number 0-9 and small number 0-9 x 3. So you can head canon quite well...
I absolutely Love the 08th MS Team and the Ground Type Gundam Specifically. Really gives the feeling of combat between large, heavy, and technologically complex war machines. And not only war machines individually but war machines as part of a functioning unit where they have fireteams, platoons, logistics and support elements. On top of that there are moments that just ground(pun not intended) the world that they've built. For example: 1) Shiro's Ground Gundam getting bogged down and having to be repaired in the field 2) The fact that they have to do a prep before heading into desert zones in order to "sandproof" their units with the use of sandguards in between joints and sandshields for vents 3) The Recovery vehicle we see in the intro pulling out a ground Gundam that's been disabled from the sand 4) The fact that an MS team has a Logistics truck attached to it and isn't just all mobile suits 5) The Logistics truck actually being functional: being used for communications, command, supply and temporary base of operations if the situation calls for it. 6) The display of infantry being effective against unsupported armored units(When the Zakus get ambushed in the village by guerilla fighters with ATGMs[or would it be AMSGM/Anti-Mobile Suit Guided Missile?]) 7) The use of things like thermal sights and radios 8) Range limitations on specific weaponry 9) The existence of the EZ8 as a field modification Bonus: "EZ8" is a reference to arguably the most advanced WW2 variant of the M4 sherman tank; the M4A3E8 which was nicknamed by the troops as the "Easy Eight". M4-M4 Sherman Tank base A3-Engine and Hull Layout variant 3 E8-Experimental System #8 (In this case, the experimental HVSS[Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension] system)
There's literally three MS known as the Gundam Mark III, one for the Federation, Titans, and AEUG but people typically think of the AEUG Gundam Mark III.
I think the entirety of the Zeta line deserves a deep dive, since it went as far as Gundam Unicorn with the creation of the ReZel. Pretty crazy to see that the Zeta Gundam probably had so much impact among the AEUG, Karaba and the EFF if they had managed to create a lot of those variations. It makes you think how is it that the ZZ Gundam didn't garter the same attention, especially with the opportunities to work out some of its flaws and improve upon its design. Perhaps all of it got lost at the end of ZZ Gundam?
Given that Gundams are essentially cutting-edge tech, I figure 3 Ground Gundams are probably reserved for testing or lost for some reason or other. At least one would be a test-bench mule, while the other two would either be manufacturing errors, replacement reserves, or simply be lost in transit since Madeas fall down a lot. There's also an argument that they were built and immediately parted out to repair deployed units that pilots got messed up by being careless with their new super-weapon(Shiro).
@@AxeCrazyAutobot Officially the Ground Gundams were made from leftovers from the V Project. Presumably they aren't just made from bits from the RX-78, but more or less that is correct.
I remember a theory a friend of mine had way back when we first watched this series. Basically he sported the idea that originally the Kojima Battalion was made up of entirely Ground Gundams but overtime and increasing losses saw GM Ground Types replacing lost Ground Gundams which gave us the mix we see in this video. Since he never understood the reasoning for the mix of Ground Gundam and GM Teams like they are in Kojima Battalion. He thought that the Ground Gundams should either be split into their own dedicated company or used as Command Units for the Battalion's Team Leaders. He then came up with this mentioned theory to explain it.
The 1/100 MG RGM-79 [G] kit comes with a break down of Kojima’s Battalion’s MS distribution in the kit manual. The manual shows how teams 1-8 were divided up between GMs and Gundams.
3:36 Jesus how thick is the armor on the bridge of those land ships!? They're able to support 2 GM Snipers both holding their Beam Sniper Rifles and not crush the bridge underneath! Also I think you should cover the development lore on Zeta-Double Zeta
Probably worth mentioning that there's actually a landing pad atop the bridge of any Big-Tray Class; Amuro and Sayla landed on the Big-Tray in the G-Armor in the original anime. Remember that the G-Armor is the Gundam with Beam Rifle, 2 shields, and the G-Fighter.
Can I say I still to this day fucking LOVE the 08th MS team? Considering Gundam was supposed to be 'real robot' in nature, being grounded in science (even if some things are stretched) very VERY few of the series live up to that feeling outside 08th MS Team.
Glad this video was able to clear up any in universe ms designation misconception’s cause I wasn’t sure what each ms team had exactly for their respective squads, cause I could’ve sworn I remember seeing a shot of 2 Gundam Ground Types with the 07th ms team designation where as when I look at the product shots for the HGUC GM Ground all of them show the 07th insignia. which spawned the question of: did some ms teams have 2 Ground Type GM’s and 1 Gundam Ground Type and did other ms teams have 2 Gundam Ground Types and 1 Ground Type GM???:| The reason this question spawned into my head was because if I ever got around to making a full HGUC Kojima Battalion display with all 8 ms teams, I would need to know what units were apart of each respective ms team so that I could buy the accurate number of Gundam Ground Type and GM Ground Type kits that I would need:3 Also does anyone know which ms teams the 4 GM Ground Type Sniper units were assigned to?? I genuinely have no clue regarding that!:~
The 8th MS Team is my number 1 in the UC timeline followed by War in the Pocket and Stardust Memory. Thank you because I love to see anything about these 3 series
Im so happy youre doing something 08th ms team related! I can only hope that one day we will get a no frills ground based uc timeline war story with gundams sometime in the future, again.
Maybe one of the three remaining Gundam Ground types were stolen by The True Federals so that they could recreate the Blue Destiny unit 2 that was seen in Gundam Katana.
Three unaccounted for Ground Gundams, huh? (Seattle-based "Slayer of Zeon" unit intensifies). Its a Ground Gundam but its got the scavanged head of Garma Zabi's personal Zaku strapped to its shoulder as an additional sensor pod. It was originally sent to the refurbished California Base but it got "lost' along the way due to Federation incompetence and was picked up by a non-standard but pro-Fed militia unit that had been operating out of the Seattle Wasteland since Zeon bombed the crap out of it. When the White Base killed Garma off, the Seattle resistance group scavanged from his crashed ship and found his busted Zaku. When they received the Ground Gundam, the pilot requested they stick the severed Zaku head on it for psychological warfare, and later linked the existing Zaku sensor and monoeye into the Gundams firmware, basically giving him eyes in the back of his head.
The 5th squad could be a unit in operation Odessa from ms igloo that have been destroyed or could’ve been a gm ground cold type from the cutscenes of either ghilirens greed or journey to Jabari game
One rather unique model of the Ground Gundam that you forgot to mention was the Slave Wraith from Missing like, to go along side the Blue Destiny Units and Ez8.
The Slave Wraith could be another one of the last three(or two), and he did mention the three blue destiny units. The Ez8 is just a repaired/remodeled unit(after Shiro wrecked it clinging the Apsalus(so sorry for spelling) II), given the quick design/manufacturing of the ground GM and even more rare Gundam types built with leftover parts from Project V(i.e. what was left at Jabaru) replacement parts weren't even in existance save for limited Ground GM parts. The Ground GM's and Gundam's weren't standardized to the mainline GM's or even other Gundam's built by The Federation, they were a quick frontline force created to blunt Zeon's thrust towards Jabaru to take out the Federal Forces main military base there. It worked long enough for Standardized GM's to begin walking off the production lines there and other secure places.
If anything, the entire 5th MS Team may be the GM Sniper Team, and then another GM Ground Type from one of the other 3 teams using them as well (2nd, 3rd, 7th). This completes the amount of GM Ground Types made into GM Snipers, as well as the reason why the 5th MS team was "absent" from the OVA, and honestly it would be more logical to turn an entire team instead of taking a GM from each team. If you told me the fourth Sniper was for backup fire against the Apsalus, I'd agree with you.
In my head canon I would think there would be at least one more in the North American territories due to the Zeon strongholds in the Rocky Mountains. But I have also designed a GM Ground Type with equipment suited for the mountainous terrain and recon operations that I've dubbed the Rocky Mountain Deployment type which has in addition to the chest equipment of one of the Blue Destiny units has a physical knife i modified from an Astray Armor Schneider. This knife isn't so much for combat ad much as it is climbing to conserve propellant for combat.
3:21 The original 08th MS suits would be mothballed due to extensive repairs needed, to later be deployed in the IndoChina region in (Senki) 0091. The remaining two units you did not take for Climax could have been made available as replacement units for the GM Head and EZ8, as you are again able to field three ground types in this game.
Don't forget at least one of the extra ground gundam's is accounted for in the show itself as wreckage on the jungle floor in the first couple of episodes.
@@barrybend7189 It's actually the Ground Type that came first. As stated by Kakarot197, the RX-79[G] units are made using the spare parts of the V project. Then, a further simplified and more cost friendly unit appeared as the RGM-79[G] Ground GM.
The ground Gundam was produced first with rejected rx-78-2 parts basically a line of ms made from the parts seconds made while tem ray was building his Gundam the EFA took the parts and made there own Gundams with hookers and blackjack. The GM [G] type was made when the Gundam heads ran out and the RGM - 79 project was in prototype testing being a fixed rx-79 body with a early GM head missing the vulcans likely a RX-77 head retooled to match the heads Luna 2 was testing.
That one was a pretty fun game despite the some of the flaws and a select few missions I found annoying. Still find it odd for the Ground Type Gundam and GM suits needing to reload at a station when they all clearly carry spare machine gun cartridges on both sides of their hips.
Hey when you’re speaking about the distribution of the Ground Gundam’s from the Kojima Battalion - after Blue Destiny’s mention - -Matt Healy The EFSF Ace pilot He actually has his own manga - I found part one of war chronicles in the surplus of a closing down library It’s focused all on the UC ground operations you would love it with your appreciation for this stuff Love the videos man by the way. I’ve said it before but again the proper job with the lore in your work is greatly appreciated. Anyway you should check it out - it’s a nice little look into what was happening with the teams besides the 08th Matt Healy actually uses an orange GM in the book and there are no ground Gundams in his team but that might come in part two which I have not been able to get my hands on yet. so I guess the different video game companies just take a jab at the actual canon story line sometimes putting in good effort and sometimes doing things with less consideration. Anyway they even use a gun tank and it has truly spectacular art throughout. Very brilliant illustrations
Not to mention, this only accounts for complete models. Parts/Chassis systems could theoretically have been purposed for or fused into other units that we haven't seen yet.
If you wanna consider engage cannon, then one of the remaining grounds became the Slyfrail, and the 3rd MS team would also get a ground Gundam at some point (Red Giant 3rd MS Team)
I like the idea that 05th were supposed to have 3 Gundams which were the 3 unaccounted ones but it was lost or desteoyed mid transport so they settled with GMs
I believe the Gundams given to the Kojima battalion were then used by the AEUG because I saw in the game Gundam vs Zeta Gundam, they used that with the 08th Ms team number on their shields
In my head canon, at least one other Ground Gundam was assigned to a random Federation Ace that used it to face a captured RX78 Gundam (known as the RX78 Z1 Zeon's Gundam).. as seen in the game Federation vs Zeon. Of course, the wiki did mention that the captured Gundam took down 2 dozen Ground GMs and Ground Gundams so definitely non-canon. Still, finding an ace amongst the grunts isnt too unusual and giving them a state of the art suit isnt too farfetched either
I love that game I always play as Kurt Laswell I even have a Zaku II modified with his decals (I still cant modify the Shoulders to make the space type)
I think the other 3 ground types were scraped for parts and repairs because ground types only share 80% parts with GMs so the other 20% had to come from other ground types and many mobile suits in the ground series sustained damages that required the other 20% example: Karen's mobile suit.
One other Gundam Ground Type may be accounted for from the Gundam Climax manga. Kamuna Tachibana piloted one in the defense of Jaburo. But was later forced to switch over to a GM with a dual beam saber backpack for space combat. It actually makes sense that Kamuna Tachibana got a Ground Gundam because he was the son of a Lieutenant General in the Federation higher-ups. Also if you were to look into the lore of the GM Ground Type too, the Slavewraiths had used three initially and then later just one. And one was shown to be used by a team commander that was after the Slavewraiths. Another Ground GM was used as the Blue Destiny prototype too. Terry Sanders also was seen piloting a Ground GM in the Stardust Manga. So they definitely got around. Since there were technically more spare parts for the Ground GM than the Ground Gundam, I wonder if more of them were built than the initial production numbers listed.
Oh please no, there is already enough hate for different shows that is caused by youtubers that just express their opinion to a community that takes their word as a law.
not to be boring but it might be possible that the missing 3 might just be mothballed in a fed warehouse somewhere either because there might not have been any available battalions to assign them to, they could've been turned into spare parts (Karen's and the EZ8 might've just gotten the short end of the stick and other teams might've gotten them first), or going back to the mothballed idea, they could've been left to dust once more generalized, massed produced GMs became widespread and standard
As for the confusion of 05th team being GM or Gundam and the 04th team in the game, the way I look at it is that there would be different divisions/battalions etc. An irl example are the US army 1st cav division and 1st armored divisions. Both are referred to as 1st, and both have "2nd battalions.". One can look at the differences with Gundam 05th team and a 04th GM team as being assigned to a different battalion.
Can you do one on the Immortal 4th team? The one from 0083, with Burning, Bate, Adel, and Monsha. I assume they are different from the 4th MS team under Kojima?
Well me and a friend play the fan made table top wargame mobile suit skirmish and ive used one of the remaining 3 to renamed anf extremely modified into what i dubbed the rx-78 [g] ST (shock troop) 1 "Paladin" which i do plan to post on the main website for the games rules and such with a bit of fan made lore for the fun of it lol
Maybe reword the former part into “Gundam Exia repair history” given how many times this one Gundam had to be rebuilt. Despite Setsuna worshipping the Exia like a goddess, it took so much punishment on the battlefield that Setsuna piloting any version of the 00 is the equivalent of the two (Setsuna and Exia) being on a break.
I run a D20 Gundam RPG for the Asia Theater I assign my players 3 RGM-79FP GM Striker Test Types, note, it took place after Shiro's disappearance. But for simplicity, I assigned them as the "10th MS Team" assigned to the Battalion.
I can't rembmer the team name, but in the manga Mobile Suit Gundam the Lost War Chronicles I believe that team had a ground gundam or two in it at some point. The name the unit got in the manga was the Experimental Unit.
So technically, it is possible that one or more Ground Gundams could have ended up in the hands of my fanfic group the Lonely Star Team. In this vague story I've concocted, a group of "rowdy Texans" from what's left of an El Paso military base manage to steal a Zeon Z'gok, and use it to liberate the port of Galveston, helping give a the Federation a foothold back into North America. Federation command reluctantly gave them a few more mobile suits, some GMs and an aging Gun Cannon. But I've always pictured them some how getting more, like a Ground Gundam.
In my fan fiction, one of the final 3 was actually assigned to the Exam project, and built into BD-4. Think of BD-4 as a Full Armor version of the Blue Destiny Units, based off of the heavily modified EZ-8 conversion.
As much as I'd like to see where the remaining three could have went, it's probably on the Kojima battalion though not in the way you'd expect. Since the Ground Gundams were made of spare parts from project v, replacement parts were limited so it is very likely that all three were scrapped for first-come-first-serve repairs on the Kojima battalion. (The Lost war chronicles weren't able to get replacement repair parts for the Ground Gundam until they went to Jaburo and Karen's Gundam ground type was outfitted with a GM head at the end of 08th MS team.)
How was Shiro's Ground Gundam converted to EZ-8? That thing was beyond repair after the fight with Apsalus II. If it was a car, it would surely be written off.
Probably cobbled together with a GM ground type and/or wreckage from other Gundams. Looks like they had the ability to fabricate a lot of the parts with just the pure amount of custom work evident in it. It even has salvaged Zaku 2 shoulder plates for the chest armor and non Luna Titanium on the extra head armor due to shortages.
I'm still wondering to myself since I watched two movies worth of Gundam Thunderbolts, feeling like there's a third movie of it since the second one just kinda left it all on a cliffhanger.
I have MSIA figures of the GM Ground Type and the GM Sniper, and they both have 01 on their shields. So we know those figures aren't canon accurate. And I don't have one, but I'm pretty sure the MSIA figure for the Desert Type Ground Gundam has a 06 shield.
Pixie Gundam would be interesting as well. There were only 3 made, but it's a mystery whether the fans only saw 2 out of the 3, or all three. The cause of this mystery is Missing Link, where the Pixie Gundam used by the Slave Wraith team was illegally obtained. No one knows if it's the 3rd unit, or the one used by Bork Cry in Cross Dimensions that got repaired. Like to hear your thoughts on it.
I recently built the 07th MS Team and have been applying G-Rework decals and they have markings for 4 units 071, 072, 073, and 074. Everything I've seen points to as you said just 3 GMs per team. Has there ever been anything refering to a 4th?
im really interested in the transformable mobile suit and wondering if you have the time making a video of their development history because the rezel is my fav
Something that always bothered me. In CCA since Char was fully taking on his duties as Zeon Deikun's son, why didn't he finally take on his real name Casval Deikun? And since he decided to continue as Char Aznable, why didn't he wear a mask and keep the Char persona?
Maybe to the people of Zeon, maybe more towards the soldiers who fight alongside him (except Gyunei that teamkilling jackass), the name of the Red Comet has more weight to it than Casval. He may be the leader of Neo Zeon but he’s still a pilot till the bitter end. Plus, I imagine that hearing Char’s name in the news is more than enough to get Amuro’s attention since they still have a score to settle as rivals. As for the mask, people have already seen his face and metaphorically, he’s already wearing the mask of a political leader; a role he’d probably be stuck playing for the rest of his life if he’d won the war. Only person who truly sees him as who he really is is again, Amuro. So I guess it all comes down to putting his name and face out just to get Amuro to come out and fight him with everything on the line. He can have the leadership of Neo Zeon, he can have the love and respect of the colonies, he can have the whole world free of humanity, all he wants is to settle things like men while they’re still at their peak. Sounds ill-advised and selfish but that’s anime rivalries for you.
I may be wrong and I don't know if you'll see this, but in Gundam Rise from the ashes, I believe that there was a mission where you supposed to meet up with the 04 team but they were wiped out, again I may be wrong as I haven't revisited rise from the ashes
It'd be really great if you could do a video about Mobile Suit Gundam vs Maxiboost On (PS4) showing us which of those mobile suits in the game are basic grunt/mass produced units!
My OC starts out with a ground gundam that has constantly had to be repaired to the point people call it a cursed unit affectionately nicknamed "The shitbox" :V
Zeonic Front is its own can of worms. If you follow Zeonic Front as canon, then you have to accept that while the Midnight Fenrir was searching for the Gundam in New Yark, They overheard Char outright doublecross Garma over the radio, and did nothing to report it.
that 03rd MS Team isn't the 03rd from 08th MS Team's Kojima Battalion, the Red Giant 03rd MS Team is part of a separate battalion deployed on the South American front, while the Kojima Battalion was deployed on the Asian front
Enough that it was practically their only choice of MS for years until they finally switched the the Jegan. Enough that loads of upgrade plans and attempts to replace the GM with a far superior model have been scrapped including modular MS that can equip different armor and equipment to suit the needs on the battlefield and preferences of the pilots. Enough to make you realize that if the Gundam is based on a samurai, then the GMs are the expendable foot soldiers who die setting off enemy traps and gambits so the real forces can move in. The list just keeps going and I’m sure one of the items on that list is a Jojo reference involving bread.
It just occurred to me that throughout the UC with mobile suit battles on Earth all across the globe, Japan is never caught up in any of the battles; at least as far as I’m aware. Is there any particular in-universe reason for that? There’s no resources or base there? Did a colony drop erase it from the map? Maybe a taboo that states that if any mobile suit dares sets one foot on there, they’ll incur the wrath of every kaiju, super robot, tokusatsu hero, magica girl, and isekai delivery truck (and one tractor) on there?
The 08th MS Team is my favorite ova and the Gundam Ground Type is my favorite mobile suit in general so this was very cool to watch, more so than the other content simply because it talks about my favorite MS.
I hope you make a lore video about Missing link and the Slave Wraith team. I've been really curious about them recently. It's kinda meh getting a Ps3 just for the game and it's only in Japanese from what I've learned.
Because the two models shared so much in common, I think it's probably acceptable to go with that the 4th and 5th team had to pull from replacement parts for the Gundams at some point. Resupply for the GM's may have come later, which is why early on some GM's got upgraded to Gundams, but later on we saw the sudden shortage of replacement parts brought on by this resulting in things like Karen's GM Head, and the Ez-8. Unless my timelines are off, at which point we could say that the 4th team had to downgrade to GM's at some point. There's probably a good manga waiting to be written to explain the story of the 4th team and their mysterious use of both GM's and Ground Gundams... but more than likely we're going to just see this get retconned with their suits being altered in future rereleases of the game, as Sunrise likes to streamline things and rename stuff and whatnot.
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So, as this video was uploading, I remembered that the old HGUC and MG Ground Gundam come with a marking sticker sheet that only has the 1st, 4th, 6th and 8th MS team on them. That confirms my suspicion of the 5th team being a GM team.
Also, while I typically prefer the “20 Ground Gundams in total” number, I also found 1 source that states that 20 Ground Gundams were assigned to the Kojima Battalion. (ガンダムの常識, p.134) Seeing as how they had to repair Karen’s Gundam with a GM Head, and Shiro’s Gundam with whatever they had lying around, I find it doubtful that they had 8 spare Gundams hanging around.
Ok, thanks for additional info have a great day as well take care. :)
Can you please do top 5 or 10 most powerful gundam you can pilot as a normal person
What I like about the 2018-ish release of the 1/144 HG of the RX-79[G] is the number decal sheet has a large number 0-9 and small number 0-9 x 3. So you can head canon quite well...
Well. That gives me a bit of wiggle room to throw in an RX-79[G] Ground-Type Gundam in my FATE System roleplaying campaign. Thanks Kakarot!
08th team is one of my favorite gundam series. I watched through the show trying catch sight of all the other ms team.
maybe the three unaccounted Ground type Gundams was the friends we made along the way
Or they were retooled into the Blue Destiny Exam units.
I absolutely Love the 08th MS Team and the Ground Type Gundam Specifically. Really gives the feeling of combat between large, heavy, and technologically complex war machines. And not only war machines individually but war machines as part of a functioning unit where they have fireteams, platoons, logistics and support elements.
On top of that there are moments that just ground(pun not intended) the world that they've built.
For example:
1) Shiro's Ground Gundam getting bogged down and having to be repaired in the field
2) The fact that they have to do a prep before heading into desert zones in order to "sandproof" their units with the use of sandguards in between joints and sandshields for vents
3) The Recovery vehicle we see in the intro pulling out a ground Gundam that's been disabled from the sand
4) The fact that an MS team has a Logistics truck attached to it and isn't just all mobile suits
5) The Logistics truck actually being functional: being used for communications, command, supply and temporary base of operations if the situation calls for it.
6) The display of infantry being effective against unsupported armored units(When the Zakus get ambushed in the village by guerilla fighters with ATGMs[or would it be AMSGM/Anti-Mobile Suit Guided Missile?])
7) The use of things like thermal sights and radios
8) Range limitations on specific weaponry
9) The existence of the EZ8 as a field modification
Bonus:
"EZ8" is a reference to arguably the most advanced WW2 variant of the M4 sherman tank; the M4A3E8 which was nicknamed by the troops as the "Easy Eight".
M4-M4 Sherman Tank base
A3-Engine and Hull Layout variant 3
E8-Experimental System #8 (In this case, the experimental HVSS[Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension] system)
Here is a suggestion, Zeta Gundam development history and how many Gundam MK series were developed
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Raul Ortiz I think gensic means how many Mark Projects there were I personally only know of 4 of them
The Gundam MK V was in Sentinel.
There's literally three MS known as the Gundam Mark III, one for the Federation, Titans, and AEUG but people typically think of the AEUG Gundam Mark III.
I think the entirety of the Zeta line deserves a deep dive, since it went as far as Gundam Unicorn with the creation of the ReZel.
Pretty crazy to see that the Zeta Gundam probably had so much impact among the AEUG, Karaba and the EFF if they had managed to create a lot of those variations. It makes you think how is it that the ZZ Gundam didn't garter the same attention, especially with the opportunities to work out some of its flaws and improve upon its design. Perhaps all of it got lost at the end of ZZ Gundam?
Given that Gundams are essentially cutting-edge tech, I figure 3 Ground Gundams are probably reserved for testing or lost for some reason or other. At least one would be a test-bench mule, while the other two would either be manufacturing errors, replacement reserves, or simply be lost in transit since Madeas fall down a lot. There's also an argument that they were built and immediately parted out to repair deployed units that pilots got messed up by being careless with their new super-weapon(Shiro).
Isn't the Ground Gundam just spare RX-78-2 parts frankensteined together or was that retconned?
@@AxeCrazyAutobot Officially the Ground Gundams were made from leftovers from the V Project. Presumably they aren't just made from bits from the RX-78, but more or less that is correct.
@Jale The Village Troublemaker it is a GM, with a gundam head
I remember a theory a friend of mine had way back when we first watched this series. Basically he sported the idea that originally the Kojima Battalion was made up of entirely Ground Gundams but overtime and increasing losses saw GM Ground Types replacing lost Ground Gundams which gave us the mix we see in this video. Since he never understood the reasoning for the mix of Ground Gundam and GM Teams like they are in Kojima Battalion. He thought that the Ground Gundams should either be split into their own dedicated company or used as Command Units for the Battalion's Team Leaders. He then came up with this mentioned theory to explain it.
The 1/100 MG RGM-79 [G] kit comes with a break down of Kojima’s Battalion’s MS distribution in the kit manual. The manual shows how teams 1-8 were divided up between GMs and Gundams.
3:36 Jesus how thick is the armor on the bridge of those land ships!? They're able to support 2 GM Snipers both holding their Beam Sniper Rifles and not crush the bridge underneath! Also I think you should cover the development lore on Zeta-Double Zeta
Probably worth mentioning that there's actually a landing pad atop the bridge of any Big-Tray Class; Amuro and Sayla landed on the Big-Tray in the G-Armor in the original anime. Remember that the G-Armor is the Gundam with Beam Rifle, 2 shields, and the G-Fighter.
Reenforced and braced, thats for sure.
@@gmsloep But the movie trilogy is the definitive canon for Mobile Suit Gundam.
Yay 8th MS Team lore! Nice vid Kakarot197!
Wow! Could you cover the Nu development history?
That would be cool. CCA is such a mysterious series with awesome designs.
can you do a video on how many Gundams there were in the OYW?
That's a 🔥🔥🔥 idea
i would say than least two dozens.
Can I say I still to this day fucking LOVE the 08th MS team? Considering Gundam was supposed to be 'real robot' in nature, being grounded in science (even if some things are stretched) very VERY few of the series live up to that feeling outside 08th MS Team.
Glad this video was able to clear up any in universe ms designation misconception’s cause I wasn’t sure what each ms team had exactly for their respective squads,
cause I could’ve sworn I remember seeing a shot of 2 Gundam Ground Types with the 07th ms team designation where as when I look at the product shots for the HGUC GM Ground all of them show the 07th insignia.
which spawned the question of: did some ms teams have 2 Ground Type GM’s and 1 Gundam Ground Type and did other ms teams have 2 Gundam Ground Types and 1 Ground Type GM???:|
The reason this question spawned into my head was because if I ever got around to making a full HGUC Kojima Battalion display with all 8 ms teams, I would need to know what units were apart of each respective ms team so that I could buy the accurate number of Gundam Ground Type and GM Ground Type kits that I would need:3
Also does anyone know which ms teams the 4 GM Ground Type Sniper units were assigned to?? I genuinely have no clue regarding that!:~
The 8th MS Team is my number 1 in the UC timeline followed by War in the Pocket and Stardust Memory. Thank you because I love to see anything about these 3 series
So we gonna act like Thunderbolt never happened....
Im so happy youre doing something 08th ms team related! I can only hope that one day we will get a no frills ground based uc timeline war story with gundams sometime in the future, again.
Maybe one of the three remaining Gundam Ground types were stolen by The True Federals so that they could recreate the Blue Destiny unit 2 that was seen in Gundam Katana.
That's awesome 😊
One of those 3 unaccounted Ground Gundams could've been part of the team involving red mobile suits
Three unaccounted for Ground Gundams, huh?
(Seattle-based "Slayer of Zeon" unit intensifies).
Its a Ground Gundam but its got the scavanged head of Garma Zabi's personal Zaku strapped to its shoulder as an additional sensor pod. It was originally sent to the refurbished California Base but it got "lost' along the way due to Federation incompetence and was picked up by a non-standard but pro-Fed militia unit that had been operating out of the Seattle Wasteland since Zeon bombed the crap out of it.
When the White Base killed Garma off, the Seattle resistance group scavanged from his crashed ship and found his busted Zaku. When they received the Ground Gundam, the pilot requested they stick the severed Zaku head on it for psychological warfare, and later linked the existing Zaku sensor and monoeye into the Gundams firmware, basically giving him eyes in the back of his head.
Where's the source? Sounds pretty badass
@@true_neutral3378 I second this
Sooo,source pls. Sounds fucking cool,but i didn't find anything about it (in eng at least)
I can't find any info on this, where is this from exactly?
@@nilok7 Made it up just on the spot based on my own fiction ideas, but it eventually morphed into something I used in a Gundam DnD game actually.
I like these Gundam lore videos, I never read any manga or anything like that so I dont know what goes on between the animes.
Your vids are so great and informative. Thank you so much to help explain this stuff not only to me but others that we didn't know
The 5th squad could be a unit in operation Odessa from ms igloo that have been destroyed or could’ve been a gm ground cold type from the cutscenes of either ghilirens greed or journey to Jabari game
08th MS Team, aka my favorite Gundam series ever? Instant like!
My favorite series too
I think the AEUG got the ground Gundam afterwards as seen in the game AEUG vs Titans
2 of the ground gundams are used by me and my unnamed npc friend in federation vs zeon
Gundam Ground Type def my fav grunt gundam unit. Awesome vid. 👍
One rather unique model of the Ground Gundam that you forgot to mention was the Slave Wraith from Missing like, to go along side the Blue Destiny Units and Ez8.
The Slave Wraith could be another one of the last three(or two), and he did mention the three blue destiny units. The Ez8 is just a repaired/remodeled unit(after Shiro wrecked it clinging the Apsalus(so sorry for spelling) II), given the quick design/manufacturing of the ground GM and even more rare Gundam types built with leftover parts from Project V(i.e. what was left at Jabaru) replacement parts weren't even in existance save for limited Ground GM parts. The Ground GM's and Gundam's weren't standardized to the mainline GM's or even other Gundam's built by The Federation, they were a quick frontline force created to blunt Zeon's thrust towards Jabaru to take out the Federal Forces main military base there. It worked long enough for Standardized GM's to begin walking off the production lines there and other secure places.
The Slave Wraith IS mentioned in the video.
At the 3:10 mark.
If anything, the entire 5th MS Team may be the GM Sniper Team, and then another GM Ground Type from one of the other 3 teams using them as well (2nd, 3rd, 7th). This completes the amount of GM Ground Types made into GM Snipers, as well as the reason why the 5th MS team was "absent" from the OVA, and honestly it would be more logical to turn an entire team instead of taking a GM from each team. If you told me the fourth Sniper was for backup fire against the Apsalus, I'd agree with you.
This was a really neat lore video. I'm a sucker for lost history, especially in fiction.
In my head canon I would think there would be at least one more in the North American territories due to the Zeon strongholds in the Rocky Mountains. But I have also designed a GM Ground Type with equipment suited for the mountainous terrain and recon operations that I've dubbed the Rocky Mountain Deployment type which has in addition to the chest equipment of one of the Blue Destiny units has a physical knife i modified from an Astray Armor Schneider. This knife isn't so much for combat ad much as it is climbing to conserve propellant for combat.
3:21 The original 08th MS suits would be mothballed due to extensive repairs needed, to later be deployed in the IndoChina region in (Senki) 0091. The remaining two units you did not take for Climax could have been made available as replacement units for the GM Head and EZ8, as you are again able to field three ground types in this game.
My head cannon had the remaining suits retooled for the Exam Blue Destiny
units
Great video. 08MS Team is always cool!
A development history video on the rx-78 gundams would be super cool, starting with the rx-78-1 prototype gundam.
Don't forget at least one of the extra ground gundam's is accounted for in the show itself as wreckage on the jungle floor in the first couple of episodes.
That could have been a loss from one of the teams. Do we know they were all at full strength?
And after that, Kojima decided to create Metal Gear
Oh.... Wrong universe
I rarely comment, but I love this video! Thank you for all the awesome work
Ive always wondering, is the ground gm were based on the ground gundam or ground gundam was based by the ground gm
The Ground Gundams were made with spare parts from the V-Project and they were then further simplified as the Ground GM.
Ground GM came first.
@@barrybend7189 It's actually the Ground Type that came first. As stated by Kakarot197, the RX-79[G] units are made using the spare parts of the V project. Then, a further simplified and more cost friendly unit appeared as the RGM-79[G] Ground GM.
The ground Gundam was produced first with rejected rx-78-2 parts basically a line of ms made from the parts seconds made while tem ray was building his Gundam the EFA took the parts and made there own Gundams with hookers and blackjack. The GM [G] type was made when the Gundam heads ran out and the RGM - 79 project was in prototype testing being a fixed rx-79 body with a early GM head missing the vulcans likely a RX-77 head retooled to match the heads Luna 2 was testing.
@@JeffreyPiattthey were developed concurrently
Also, there is Mobile Suit Gundam: Target In Sight/ Crossfire. You can sign to your three man fireteam 3 Gundam(G) units
That one was a pretty fun game despite the some of the flaws and a select few missions I found annoying. Still find it odd for the Ground Type Gundam and GM suits needing to reload at a station when they all clearly carry spare machine gun cartridges on both sides of their hips.
@@TheHiddenBoss i think its mostly comes to "game-play balancing"
Suggestion: the history of Anaheim
Making lore videos more often makes more sense.... lol! Good job!
The 1995 issue of animerica had a 08th ms team spread, showing the entire kojima battalion, the 5th team were Ground GMs
I love this channel
How about a video detailing Cosmic Era Gundam development?
Hey when you’re speaking about the distribution of the Ground Gundam’s from the Kojima Battalion - after Blue Destiny’s mention -
-Matt Healy The EFSF Ace pilot
He actually has his own manga - I found part one of war chronicles in the surplus of a closing down library
It’s focused all on the UC ground operations you would love it with your appreciation for this stuff
Love the videos man by the way. I’ve said it before but again the proper job with the lore in your work is greatly appreciated.
Anyway you should check it out - it’s a nice little look into what was happening with the teams besides the 08th
Matt Healy actually uses an orange GM in the book and there are no ground Gundams in his team but that might come in part two which I have not been able to get my hands on yet.
so I guess the different video game companies just take a jab at the actual canon story line sometimes putting in good effort and sometimes doing things with less consideration.
Anyway they even use a gun tank and it has truly spectacular art throughout. Very brilliant illustrations
Not to mention, this only accounts for complete models.
Parts/Chassis systems could theoretically have been purposed for or fused into other units that we haven't seen yet.
Rx-78-1[N] Gundam local type and FSD
If you wanna consider engage cannon, then one of the remaining grounds became the Slyfrail, and the 3rd MS team would also get a ground Gundam at some point (Red Giant 3rd MS Team)
I like the idea that 05th were supposed to have 3 Gundams which were the 3 unaccounted ones but it was lost or desteoyed mid transport so they settled with GMs
I believe the Gundams given to the Kojima battalion were then used by the AEUG because I saw in the game Gundam vs Zeta Gundam, they used that with the 08th Ms team number on their shields
Hey awesome work in the channel..do one about the 7th MS team!.
In my head canon, at least one other Ground Gundam was assigned to a random Federation Ace that used it to face a captured RX78 Gundam (known as the RX78 Z1 Zeon's Gundam).. as seen in the game Federation vs Zeon. Of course, the wiki did mention that the captured Gundam took down 2 dozen Ground GMs and Ground Gundams so definitely non-canon. Still, finding an ace amongst the grunts isnt too unusual and giving them a state of the art suit isnt too farfetched either
I love that game I always play as Kurt Laswell
I even have a Zaku II modified with his decals (I still cant modify the Shoulders to make the space type)
I think the other 3 ground types were scraped for parts and repairs because ground types only share 80% parts with GMs so the other 20% had to come from other ground types and many mobile suits in the ground series sustained damages that required the other 20% example: Karen's mobile suit.
One other Gundam Ground Type may be accounted for from the Gundam Climax manga. Kamuna Tachibana piloted one in the defense of Jaburo. But was later forced to switch over to a GM with a dual beam saber backpack for space combat. It actually makes sense that Kamuna Tachibana got a Ground Gundam because he was the son of a Lieutenant General in the Federation higher-ups. Also if you were to look into the lore of the GM Ground Type too, the Slavewraiths had used three initially and then later just one. And one was shown to be used by a team commander that was after the Slavewraiths. Another Ground GM was used as the Blue Destiny prototype too. Terry Sanders also was seen piloting a Ground GM in the Stardust Manga. So they definitely got around. Since there were technically more spare parts for the Ground GM than the Ground Gundam, I wonder if more of them were built than the initial production numbers listed.
Love this videos keep up the good work. Maybe you can do a video on the different type of strike packs/ variants?
In the Lost War Chronicles manga, Matt's squad mates also had Ground Gundams.
I just flipped through mine, his team only has 1 and it's his and 2 ground gms. In the second book its 1 ground gundam 1 ground gm and a gm sniper II?
Just flipped through it. My mistake. Its been a long time since I read that manga.
Have you ever considered doing an analysis on the various gundam series?
Oh please no, there is already enough hate for different shows that is caused by youtubers that just express their opinion to a community that takes their word as a law.
not to be boring but it might be possible that the missing 3 might just be mothballed in a fed warehouse somewhere either because there might not have been any available battalions to assign them to, they could've been turned into spare parts (Karen's and the EZ8 might've just gotten the short end of the stick and other teams might've gotten them first), or going back to the mothballed idea, they could've been left to dust once more generalized, massed produced GMs became widespread and standard
As for the confusion of 05th team being GM or Gundam and the 04th team in the game, the way I look at it is that there would be different divisions/battalions etc. An irl example are the US army 1st cav division and 1st armored divisions. Both are referred to as 1st, and both have "2nd battalions.". One can look at the differences with Gundam 05th team and a 04th GM team as being assigned to a different battalion.
Can you do one on the Immortal 4th team? The one from 0083, with Burning, Bate, Adel, and Monsha. I assume they are different from the 4th MS team under Kojima?
Well me and a friend play the fan made table top wargame mobile suit skirmish and ive used one of the remaining 3 to renamed anf extremely modified into what i dubbed the rx-78 [g] ST (shock troop) 1 "Paladin" which i do plan to post on the main website for the games rules and such with a bit of fan made lore for the fun of it lol
Kakarot can you do one on Anaheim Electronics & the mobile suits they developed over the UC timeline
Here is a suggestion
Gundam Exia development history or Gundam AGE development history
You are giving this guy zero material to work with lmao.
Maybe reword the former part into “Gundam Exia repair history” given how many times this one Gundam had to be rebuilt. Despite Setsuna worshipping the Exia like a goddess, it took so much punishment on the battlefield that Setsuna piloting any version of the 00 is the equivalent of the two (Setsuna and Exia) being on a break.
When I said Gundam AGE I meant all the versions like AGE 1,2,3 and FX and there extra parts
I don't know if you or someone else has done it already, but a RX series development history video would be rad
I run a D20 Gundam RPG for the Asia Theater I assign my players 3 RGM-79FP GM Striker Test Types, note, it took place after Shiro's disappearance. But for simplicity, I assigned them as the "10th MS Team" assigned to the Battalion.
Logistics, what exiting content indeed (SARCASM)
I can't rembmer the team name, but in the manga Mobile Suit Gundam the Lost War Chronicles I believe that team had a ground gundam or two in it at some point. The name the unit got in the manga was the Experimental Unit.
So technically, it is possible that one or more Ground Gundams could have ended up in the hands of my fanfic group the Lonely Star Team. In this vague story I've concocted, a group of "rowdy Texans" from what's left of an El Paso military base manage to steal a Zeon Z'gok, and use it to liberate the port of Galveston, helping give a the Federation a foothold back into North America. Federation command reluctantly gave them a few more mobile suits, some GMs and an aging Gun Cannon. But I've always pictured them some how getting more, like a Ground Gundam.
I love 08ms team
In my fan fiction, one of the final 3 was actually assigned to the Exam project, and built into BD-4. Think of BD-4 as a Full Armor version of the Blue Destiny Units, based off of the heavily modified EZ-8 conversion.
There's Blue Destiny unit 0
So I think one ground Gundam been used for it... Left 2 unit behind
My takeaway from this is that I can write fanfiction with this
As much as I'd like to see where the remaining three could have went, it's probably on the Kojima battalion though not in the way you'd expect. Since the Ground Gundams were made of spare parts from project v, replacement parts were limited so it is very likely that all three were scrapped for first-come-first-serve repairs on the Kojima battalion. (The Lost war chronicles weren't able to get replacement repair parts for the Ground Gundam until they went to Jaburo and Karen's Gundam ground type was outfitted with a GM head at the end of 08th MS team.)
Could you do a lore video on the Jesta?
The Kojima batallion had to transport a tiny mobile suit across the Americas
Delta team, from manga 1 ground gundam
At least we now know one more Ground Type Gundam now which is from the Red Giants, that makes two left
How was Shiro's Ground Gundam converted to EZ-8? That thing was beyond repair after the fight with Apsalus II. If it was a car, it would surely be written off.
maybe they use all parts, same with crossbone full cloth
Probably cobbled together with a GM ground type and/or wreckage from other Gundams. Looks like they had the ability to fabricate a lot of the parts with just the pure amount of custom work evident in it. It even has salvaged Zaku 2 shoulder plates for the chest armor and non Luna Titanium on the extra head armor due to shortages.
I'm still wondering to myself since I watched two movies worth of Gundam Thunderbolts, feeling like there's a third movie of it since the second one just kinda left it all on a cliffhanger.
Farrell Swain they havent made it yet, but hopefully some day
I have MSIA figures of the GM Ground Type and the GM Sniper, and they both have 01 on their shields. So we know those figures aren't canon accurate. And I don't have one, but I'm pretty sure the MSIA figure for the Desert Type Ground Gundam has a 06 shield.
Pixie Gundam would be interesting as well. There were only 3 made, but it's a mystery whether the fans only saw 2 out of the 3, or all three. The cause of this mystery is Missing Link, where the Pixie Gundam used by the Slave Wraith team was illegally obtained. No one knows if it's the 3rd unit, or the one used by Bork Cry in Cross Dimensions that got repaired. Like to hear your thoughts on it.
I recently built the 07th MS Team and have been applying G-Rework decals and they have markings for 4 units 071, 072, 073, and 074. Everything I've seen points to as you said just 3 GMs per team. Has there ever been anything refering to a 4th?
I swear I remember in either the second or third episode of 08th MS Team, someone in the background said that the 05th Team was wiped out.
Yes, I remember too someone said the 5th Team was wiped out.
im really interested in the transformable mobile suit and wondering if you have the time making a video of their development history because the rezel is my fav
Something that always bothered me. In CCA since Char was fully taking on his duties as Zeon Deikun's son, why didn't he finally take on his real name Casval Deikun? And since he decided to continue as Char Aznable, why didn't he wear a mask and keep the Char persona?
Maybe to the people of Zeon, maybe more towards the soldiers who fight alongside him (except Gyunei that teamkilling jackass), the name of the Red Comet has more weight to it than Casval. He may be the leader of Neo Zeon but he’s still a pilot till the bitter end. Plus, I imagine that hearing Char’s name in the news is more than enough to get Amuro’s attention since they still have a score to settle as rivals. As for the mask, people have already seen his face and metaphorically, he’s already wearing the mask of a political leader; a role he’d probably be stuck playing for the rest of his life if he’d won the war. Only person who truly sees him as who he really is is again, Amuro.
So I guess it all comes down to putting his name and face out just to get Amuro to come out and fight him with everything on the line. He can have the leadership of Neo Zeon, he can have the love and respect of the colonies, he can have the whole world free of humanity, all he wants is to settle things like men while they’re still at their peak. Sounds ill-advised and selfish but that’s anime rivalries for you.
I may be wrong and I don't know if you'll see this, but in Gundam Rise from the ashes, I believe that there was a mission where you supposed to meet up with the 04 team but they were wiped out, again I may be wrong as I haven't revisited rise from the ashes
This might be a stretch, but could you do a lore or development history video on newtype weaponry?
It'd be really great if you could do a video about Mobile Suit Gundam vs Maxiboost On (PS4) showing us which of those mobile suits in the game are basic grunt/mass produced units!
seems likely to me the three remaining missing units were converted into the Ground Gundam S type
The one in thunderbolt series? Those are just GM with gundam head
My OC starts out with a ground gundam that has constantly had to be repaired to the point people call it a cursed unit affectionately nicknamed "The shitbox" :V
You know, in BO2 there's an event right now about with refernces to this Kojima division.
Zeonic Front line I've seen Gundam ground type as far as I remember
Zeonic Front is its own can of worms. If you follow Zeonic Front as canon, then you have to accept that while the Midnight Fenrir was searching for the Gundam in New Yark, They overheard Char outright doublecross Garma over the radio, and did nothing to report it.
Now we know what the 03rd MS team looks like with the new Gunpla: The 03rd MS Team Set Red Giant
that 03rd MS Team isn't the 03rd from 08th MS Team's Kojima Battalion, the Red Giant 03rd MS Team is part of a separate battalion deployed on the South American front, while the Kojima Battalion was deployed on the Asian front
How many GMs were produced during the OYW?
too many
Enough to get blown up 50 times every episode lmao
enough that many were refurbished into GM IIs after the Delaz Conflict
Enough that it was practically their only choice of MS for years until they finally switched the the Jegan. Enough that loads of upgrade plans and attempts to replace the GM with a far superior model have been scrapped including modular MS that can equip different armor and equipment to suit the needs on the battlefield and preferences of the pilots. Enough to make you realize that if the Gundam is based on a samurai, then the GMs are the expendable foot soldiers who die setting off enemy traps and gambits so the real forces can move in.
The list just keeps going and I’m sure one of the items on that list is a Jojo reference involving bread.
It's over nine thousand!!!
It just occurred to me that throughout the UC with mobile suit battles on Earth all across the globe, Japan is never caught up in any of the battles; at least as far as I’m aware. Is there any particular in-universe reason for that? There’s no resources or base there? Did a colony drop erase it from the map?
Maybe a taboo that states that if any mobile suit dares sets one foot on there, they’ll incur the wrath of every kaiju, super robot, tokusatsu hero, magica girl, and isekai delivery truck (and one tractor) on there?
same with US movies saving the world (new york)
Could you do a video about Gundam UC canonicity? It's a somewhat twisted topic.
My first gundam show was 08th ms team
The 08th MS Team is my favorite ova and the Gundam Ground Type is my favorite mobile suit in general so this was very cool to watch, more so than the other content simply because it talks about my favorite MS.
I hope you make a lore video about Missing link and the Slave Wraith team. I've been really curious about them recently. It's kinda meh getting a Ps3 just for the game and it's only in Japanese from what I've learned.
Because the two models shared so much in common, I think it's probably acceptable to go with that the 4th and 5th team had to pull from replacement parts for the Gundams at some point. Resupply for the GM's may have come later, which is why early on some GM's got upgraded to Gundams, but later on we saw the sudden shortage of replacement parts brought on by this resulting in things like Karen's GM Head, and the Ez-8.
Unless my timelines are off, at which point we could say that the 4th team had to downgrade to GM's at some point. There's probably a good manga waiting to be written to explain the story of the 4th team and their mysterious use of both GM's and Ground Gundams... but more than likely we're going to just see this get retconned with their suits being altered in future rereleases of the game, as Sunrise likes to streamline things and rename stuff and whatnot.
Have you ever made a video about Ships? if you hadn't then do it!
Was the 4th MS team the same “Immortal 04th Team” that Burning was apart of in 0083?
can you please do a development history on the ground Gudam? it was produced in july of 0079 but when was it originally feilded?