The New Vegas Strip's Development & Cut Content

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    Episode 41 of FNV: The Cutting Room Floor. An indepth investigation into the cut content, design and development of Fallout New Vegas. In this episode we take a look at the cut content and development of Mr. House, The Strip, The casinos, The Tops, Gommorah, Ultraluxe, Vault 21, LVB Station, The Lucky 38, NCR Embassy, Freeside and more. This documentary includes excerpts from interviews with several key members of Obsidian's development team, involving Project Lead Josh Sawyer, Creative Director Chris Avellone, Lead Producer Jason Bergman, as well as Area Designers JR Vosvic, Jorge Salgado and Charlie Staples.
    #fallout, #newvegas, #newvegascutcontent,
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  • @TriangleCity
    @TriangleCity  4 года назад +1003

    There's somehow even more I could've talked about, but this video was already the single most difficult and time consuming art project I've ever put together. I started writing this video almost two years ago to replace the Mr House episode. That video had quite a few editing errors, missing information and I conducted additional interviews with the developers after its release. In the end, it was difficult to separate the Strip's cut content from Mr. House's cut content, and as a result, this script was 8000+ words and required extensive research to do it justice. Huge thank you to Obsidian for making FNV, my Patreon supporters, everyone who's watched, commented on or shared my videos, New Vegas's amazing modding community and those who have inspired me to continue making this series. I stayed up all night finishing this, so I'ma go pass out now 😴

    • @MrChadsimoneaux
      @MrChadsimoneaux 4 года назад +4

      Yes! Can't wait to watch, thanks for putting in all the work!

    • @stan2429
      @stan2429 4 года назад +4

      You're the GOAT

    • @d2jhg88vvy6
      @d2jhg88vvy6 4 года назад +6

      Sleep well you magnificent bastard :D

    • @nathanlevesque7812
      @nathanlevesque7812 4 года назад +1

      I'm probably going to watch this like five times this week lol

    • @johnh7593
      @johnh7593 3 года назад

  • @MrHeadSet1
    @MrHeadSet1 3 года назад +3868

    i swear, if they every make a fallout new vegas remastered with new technology and all the cut content, ohhhhh, best game of the year easy.

    • @Einar730
      @Einar730 3 года назад +369

      No , Cuz if it happen, it will be Bethesda making the remake , so instead of adding the cut content there will be more cut content , no skills, stripped dialogue etc

    • @mrdaym
      @mrdaym 3 года назад +327

      @@Einar730 But in this scenario, in our dreams, obsidian comes back. Please don't ruin this for me.

    • @gabrielmcguoirk6106
      @gabrielmcguoirk6106 3 года назад +131

      What new technology? Bethesda has been using the same engine since the dinosaurs

    • @LuvodicusMycaelis
      @LuvodicusMycaelis 3 года назад +60

      PC my friend. Jsawyer mods and NV Uncut mods

    • @jacobhempfner1008
      @jacobhempfner1008 3 года назад +48

      @@mrdaym they won't bring them back, they showed them they could make a better game. With less money, time, resources. It would "hurt there imagine" also add paid "mods" if u want a true remastered mod the fuck out of it on pc.

  • @ast3rickk31
    @ast3rickk31 4 года назад +2098

    I feel like, canonically, how the strip appears in one of the early trailers is how it actually is, a massive city, it’s just much smaller for gameplay reasons

    • @Shushkin
      @Shushkin 3 года назад +226

      Hardware limitations

    • @anti-punkaction5428
      @anti-punkaction5428 3 года назад +82

      I imagine it looks how it is in the game's intro

    • @CameronHuff
      @CameronHuff 3 года назад +126

      Like Diamond City in Fallout 4

    • @gamer65688
      @gamer65688 3 года назад +88

      Or like the Skyrim Cities

    • @kazmark_gl8652
      @kazmark_gl8652 3 года назад +107

      I think its the same as the cities of Skyrim, in cannon they are much larger but they are smaller in game due to hardware limitations.

  • @johnmoan366
    @johnmoan366 4 года назад +1867

    The mattress on the casino roof is probably a reference to The Hangover.

    • @TriangleCity
      @TriangleCity  4 года назад +346

      I didn't even think about that. You're probably right

    • @tonyal3235
      @tonyal3235 3 года назад +18

      I swear I was gonna say that 😂

    • @bimmer8602
      @bimmer8602 3 года назад +36

      Lmfao I forget about that movie a lot but when mentioned, I can remember a lot of scenes in my head. Funny movie

    • @mikeoxlong567
      @mikeoxlong567 3 года назад +35

      Idk why i thought it came out years after new vegas. I feel old.

    • @shadysam7161
      @shadysam7161 3 года назад +8

      do you guys just say literally everything is a reference to something else? easter egg hunters are weird.

  • @normandybeachparty
    @normandybeachparty 3 года назад +783

    Bethesda can remaster and rerelease Skyrim 29 times but can't do the same thing for this masterpiece once

    • @nillynush4899
      @nillynush4899 3 года назад +156

      Obsidian embarrassed Bethesda by making the best Fallout and with no time/real budget. Don't think Bethesda wants extra shit-talking points being given to the people after 76.

    • @wiedzmin8204
      @wiedzmin8204 3 года назад +3

      @@nillynush4899 FNV is literally the worst game I ever played.

    • @DAntreShivers
      @DAntreShivers 3 года назад +114

      @@wiedzmin8204 you can't be serious

    • @wiedzmin8204
      @wiedzmin8204 3 года назад +6

      @@DAntreShivers No really, it sucks so fucking much. Literally can not stand to sit another minute playing that game. Now Morrowind, Morrowind is where its at.

    • @DAntreShivers
      @DAntreShivers 3 года назад +108

      @@wiedzmin8204 found the neckbeard

  • @Raven-Blackwing
    @Raven-Blackwing 4 года назад +1834

    NV could have been so much more if only they had more time.

    • @doc5686
      @doc5686 4 года назад +224

      And the final product was still amazing even with the endless cuts

    • @deathslide8
      @deathslide8 4 года назад +103

      And didn't have to put it onto a console.

    • @jacksonelh
      @jacksonelh 4 года назад +43

      for real man. it actually bums me out because they picked that development time. they probably could've picked longer. what's done is done I guess. bummer

    • @jacksonelh
      @jacksonelh 4 года назад +59

      they signed a contract to develop the game in that time. it wasn't like they signed the contract and then that development window was thrust on them after the fact. that was the time they agreed upon because they thought they could do it in that time due to the pre-existing assets and engine. they later discovered it was too short. perhaps they could've negotiated for longer.

    • @jacksonelh
      @jacksonelh 4 года назад +18

      @Jared Moreno I'm saying they settled on that short development time, and that I wish they'd have negotiated for a longer timeframe.

  • @jays.6843
    @jays.6843 3 года назад +475

    The fact that the Strip actually looked nice at some point annoys me.
    You'd think that they'd at least maybe try to paint over the busted wallpaper after 100+ years, but nope.

    • @chompythebeast
      @chompythebeast 3 года назад +120

      That's _all_ of Bethesda's Fallouts for you. It made more sense in the first two games where the tone was different (more Mad Max), but once the 50's Americana came to the fore, it made no sense that everyone would literally leave skeletons sitting on toilet seats and that they wouldn't patch the holes in the walls where they live and sleep

    • @turningcog
      @turningcog 3 года назад +18

      what kind of DIY monster paints over wallpaper?

    • @travosk8668
      @travosk8668 3 года назад +53

      @@chompythebeast even fallout 2 had clean areas... vault city was what a pre war city wouldve looked like.

    • @zixx844
      @zixx844 3 года назад +44

      @@chompythebeast Specially the strip where caps flow like water. No way Mr house would have tolerated letting the clans let his city decay like this and would have demanded they pay to help have the city fully restored.

    • @Blakbox92
      @Blakbox92 2 года назад +33

      That's what annoys me about some parts of Fallout in general. Look, I know nuclear war happened, but it's been TWO CENTURIES by the time of FO3, NV and FO4, those car wrecks should have long been salvaged for scrap, people should have repainted places they live in. There ought to be completely new constructions made from simpler materials, and where are all the bicycles? In a world with limited powered transportation, and apparently no horse, bikes should be everywhere.
      Edit: in FO and FO2 this kind of thing does happen, cars are salvaged or repaired. Places like Shady Sands/NCR, Vault City, and San Francisco under the Shi are well maintained or rebuilt yet still feel "post apocalyptic". Even New Reno looks like it's in better condition than New Vegas does.

  • @user-hi4sm3ig5j
    @user-hi4sm3ig5j 4 года назад +805

    I'm kind of disappointed they went with the run down version of the strip rather than the cleaned up and less damaged one mentioned. That way The Strip would have truly been the 'el dorado' it gets described as. On the other hand, the way it was shipped does make sense how it represents that The Strip is just as diseased and corrupt as everywhere else in the post apocalyptic wasteland.

    • @johnkittz
      @johnkittz 3 года назад +88

      I like it. The people inside the strip talk like it's a golden city, but in reality it's just another corrupt and filthy wasteland city.

    • @belisarius6949
      @belisarius6949 3 года назад +140

      It should have been clean. You think you entered the jewel of the Mojave, a place untouched by the bombs, but like everything else its corrupted to the core.

    • @Lorenzo_I.
      @Lorenzo_I. 3 года назад +11

      It makes me want to tackle a mod for it. I really would like the dichotomy.

    • @devdixit2440
      @devdixit2440 3 года назад +67

      Yeah, it's supposed to be highly developed and alluring, but there are massive potholes in the roads. The casinos look dull and ugly on the inside, with the wallpaper peeling off. The place just looks run down, its supposed to be the gem of the Mojave, it ends up being disappointing.

    • @Gwestytears
      @Gwestytears 3 года назад +32

      I am kind of disappointed by the scale of new vegas. 100 people milling around is barely a city

  • @TKsMantis
    @TKsMantis 4 года назад +1274

    Legit the most underrated Fallout RUclipsr. Absolutely brilliant video Triangle! Thank you so much for the hard work!

    • @darylgrandy8190
      @darylgrandy8190 4 года назад +35

      You guys should collaborate it would make some great content

    • @Luke_H98
      @Luke_H98 4 года назад +9

      @@darylgrandy8190 Agreed!

    • @TriangleCity
      @TriangleCity  3 года назад +122

      Thank you so much dude! I love and respect you work so that means a ton from you! 🖤🖤🖤

    • @aisforamerica2185
      @aisforamerica2185 3 года назад +4

      I agree, sir Mantis

    • @isaacsrandomvideos667
      @isaacsrandomvideos667 3 года назад +2

      TKs-Mantis yes

  • @H.Perevell
    @H.Perevell 3 года назад +314

    I'd say that they Mysterious Stranger showing up in vats when you try to kill the Drifter and killing you instead would probably be the best thing to happen. It would most definitely spice things up and increase the value of the Drifter. A neat idea is that if the Drifter was in combat, that the mysterious stranger would have a chance to appear - outside of vats.

  • @eatglue
    @eatglue 3 года назад +87

    Playing with uncut mods for so long, I forgot what was actually cut. Having the announcement play when I blow up House just feels like it never should have been cut.
    Also I love Fretwell. He just chills.

    • @wojak-sensei6424
      @wojak-sensei6424 Год назад +2

      On that topic, those sound bits of House introducing himself and when you screw him over always felt... out of character for me. He's awfully friendly at the introduction, which is fine. He's probably lulling you in and giving you the special treatment like any suave multimillionaire should. But in the betrayal bits, he still has that non-aggressive demeanor. I was expecting some level of desperation in him, like a man slowly seeing his futuristic dreams crumble around him. Instead, he seems miffed, annoyed, and nonchalant, like it's a minor inconvenience that *he's about to see the end of his 200-year plan turn to dust.*
      I think it was for the best that House's dialogue was cut there, or at least they could've done a different take.

  • @johnnyk617
    @johnnyk617 3 года назад +167

    I remember being so let down when I finally made to new vegas in game I kept searching and searching where the rest of the city

    • @packlesswolf1
      @packlesswolf1 3 года назад +44

      Same man I was like " wtf is this? Where's everything else". I remember looking at the " big " hotels and casinos and realized they are only like 4 storys tall max. But the way the modeled it made it look like it was 10 story's tall.

  • @Tgspy312
    @Tgspy312 4 года назад +550

    As a note, we recently also learned that the billboards used on the strip are actually a major cause of performance hits. They're extremely poorly optimised with dozens of materials and therefore draw calls per mesh. Whilst I can't speak for the obsidian guys, I have a slight suspicion that this was never caught before release, which is why the strip still performs poorly to this day.
    EDIT: On top of this, there lies an option in the rendering code that causes increased ram usage overall. Textures are mirrored into system ram rather than lying entirely on the GPU VRAM. This was rectified on some user mods like new vegas tick fix or more crudly, ENBoost.

    • @TriangleCity
      @TriangleCity  4 года назад +112

      Fascinating. I had no idea that was one of the major causes of the Strip's performance issues. With how accelerated the development cycle was, I wouldn't be surprised if it went overlooked entirely.

    • @nathanlevesque7812
      @nathanlevesque7812 4 года назад +38

      No wonder I never noticed a problem with the Strip Open mod. I always had fixes for the Strips issues in general.

    • @NuggetInAJar
      @NuggetInAJar 3 года назад +4

      Can you link the source to this info? It sounds interesting to read more about

    • @chompythebeast
      @chompythebeast 3 года назад +17

      What confuses me is why that sort of thing wasn't patched, whereas there were _multiple_ small patches removing NPCs or encounters or fixed objects after release. The Strip remains chuggy even today. Why would they replace a green stripper cage with a gold one, but not bother to take a look at all the relatively-obvious billboard issues?

    • @Ferdoe
      @Ferdoe 3 года назад +16

      @@chompythebeast As the comment said it was likely overlooked until too late. Plus it would take large reworks to fix the billboards. Its as easy as ticking a box to disable an npc in most cases.

  • @Chedring
    @Chedring 4 года назад +331

    That cut entrance by the Las Vegas sign would have been nice. It would also make more sense since the NCR base at the airport would directly connect to the Embassy. But they must have really wanted the players to go through freeside instead of the sorta safe NCR controlled zones.
    Glad to see you back though.

    • @nathanlevesque7812
      @nathanlevesque7812 4 года назад +11

      monorail tho

    • @sebastian.victor7461
      @sebastian.victor7461 3 года назад +21

      I never liked having to go through freeside. Always felt like a second or back entrance

    • @nathanlevesque7812
      @nathanlevesque7812 3 года назад +18

      @@sebastian.victor7461 If only House had created a secret entrance into the Lucky 38. That would spare us the trouble of several loading zones and even entering the laggy ass Strip quite a few times.

    • @MrKILLINOOBZ
      @MrKILLINOOBZ 3 года назад +13

      Easy fix would have been a Securitron/NCR MP checkpoint since in order to enter the Strip at all you'd need to meet the minimum balance or a passport

    • @Chedring
      @Chedring 3 года назад +7

      @@MrKILLINOOBZ Maybe it could require an NCR soldier ID you could steal or a super high NCR reputation.

  • @PrimusSwallows
    @PrimusSwallows 4 года назад +293

    A shame they had to strip the game of all this content

  • @therr2146
    @therr2146 4 года назад +151

    46:35, To think that Caesar felt the Securitrons starting up and being upgraded, and mistakenly thinking that it was an underground explosion

    • @wiictvchannel1112
      @wiictvchannel1112 3 года назад +2

      What's a little lame about that too is that his response is no different even if you do blow it up. I know he wouldn't have any context to knowing the difference in different playthroughs but it just seems really lazy.

    • @therr2146
      @therr2146 3 года назад +61

      @@wiictvchannel1112 how else would he respond? If he wouldn't know the difference, he wouldn't give different responses.

  • @user-hi4sm3ig5j
    @user-hi4sm3ig5j 4 года назад +612

    15:40 Hearing that the PS3 was the reason for all the downgrades makes me feel less guilty about originally discovering and playing New Vegas on the 360 first before the PC.

    • @tf2keller398
      @tf2keller398 3 года назад +9

      Same.

    • @Shushkin
      @Shushkin 3 года назад +96

      Consoles seem to ruin gaming for everybody

    • @derp7327
      @derp7327 3 года назад +179

      Shushkin honestly the ps3 in particular ruined a lot of games from that generation

    • @pyroparagon8945
      @pyroparagon8945 3 года назад +18

      @@Shushkin PC ruins gaming for everybody.

    • @pyroparagon8945
      @pyroparagon8945 3 года назад +3

      @@derp7327 did the Xbox not exist?

  • @doctorfuckmen
    @doctorfuckmen 3 года назад +74

    I always just assumed that New Vegas was really large you just only have access to a few parts. Didn’t know there was actually a lot more.

  • @Oblio1942
    @Oblio1942 3 года назад +125

    33:04 well that was straight to the point lol

  • @JohnSmith-fq3rg
    @JohnSmith-fq3rg 3 года назад +193

    33:05 "And other characters the player can F U C K"
    Wasn't expecting that in this comprehensive documentary

    • @Bewmbshakalaka
      @Bewmbshakalaka 3 года назад +12

      LMFAO same

    • @ianime7047
      @ianime7047 2 года назад +5

      Lol same

    • @ItsKiTime
      @ItsKiTime 2 года назад +19

      just casually listening in the background while i draw, and this is exactly why i paused and slid down to the comments-- glad i wasn't the only one taken aback lmao

    • @andrewmccotter3791
      @andrewmccotter3791 Год назад +1

      Lol same it made me laugh My ass off

  • @DrunkVolcano
    @DrunkVolcano 3 года назад +77

    Thanks god I had my headphones in at 33:00

  • @ultimatecorgi3392
    @ultimatecorgi3392 3 года назад +30

    I don't think Caesar feeling the ground shake when you activate the securitron vault is necessarily a plothole. Presumably that much equipment spinning up would do something.

  • @VideoGameSophistry
    @VideoGameSophistry 3 года назад +256

    This is absolutely incredible - I wonder if you could use this same research strategy for other projects and games? Amazing

    • @commentator4ever498
      @commentator4ever498 3 года назад +4

      Just one more, stop using your intro,
      It’s very time consuming

    • @thefinger1776
      @thefinger1776 3 года назад +1

      @@commentator4ever498 What do you mean? VGS' intro is pretty short and chill.

    • @lumps17
      @lumps17 2 года назад +1

      @@thefinger1776 Yeah, that's a part of the appeal. I don't know what rustled his jimmies about a 5 second intro.

  • @AzmondDontez
    @AzmondDontez 4 года назад +38

    DUDE!!! AN HOUR ELEVEN??? YOU ABSOLUTE GODDAMN LEGEND YOU’LL BE GOING TO HEAVEN FOR THIS!!!

  • @bioemiliano
    @bioemiliano 3 года назад +56

    It always bugged me how the strip is said to be pristine, but it and so many new buildings that should be in good condition are completely torn apart.

    • @Jiub_SN
      @Jiub_SN 10 месяцев назад +1

      Well comparatively it is pristine. I think the original intent would've looked far nicer, but I also understand the limitations and story changes made it necessary. House was asleep for like 100 years after all and had only awakened relatively recently

  • @anthony923
    @anthony923 3 года назад +26

    Yo at 46:45 I always thought the massive army of robots starting up in sync would make the ground shake a little bit and maybe a bit of a bang, never made me question it.

    • @TriangleCity
      @TriangleCity  3 года назад +9

      To be fair, I didn't question it until I found that cut objective.

  • @andrewgault8076
    @andrewgault8076 3 года назад +632

    screw Ceaser legion or Mr House, Bethesda was the ultimate bad guy in FNV

    • @drewinsur7321
      @drewinsur7321 3 года назад +74

      18 months is outrageous, yet the greatest fallout game imo. Maybe after F2.

    • @manuelredgrave8348
      @manuelredgrave8348 3 года назад +10

      Zenimax:

    • @wisemankugelmemicus1701
      @wisemankugelmemicus1701 3 года назад +4

      Which part of Bethesda?

    • @wisemankugelmemicus1701
      @wisemankugelmemicus1701 3 года назад +40

      @@davidf2676 Bethesda Game Studios had only minor involvement in Fallout: NV, leasing the engine to them to make the game. Bethesda Softworks is the one that supposedly screwed over Obsidian (although they agreed to all the conditions and were fine working under said conditions, and nobody at Obsidian has any real problem with Bethesda Softoworks, so this is le epic gamers getting worked up over business stuff they don't understand)

    • @AlexConnor_
      @AlexConnor_ 3 года назад +37

      @@wisemankugelmemicus1701 Exactly, there's no bad blood between Obsidian and Bethesda. NV was supposed to be a simple expansion for Fallout 3, no more complicated than an oversized DLC and as such 18 months was a perfectly reasonable development schedule. However Obsidian was very ambitious about what they wanted to do with their Fallout game and at the same time inexperienced with the Gamebryo engine and it's limitations, they planned too big and lost time with content that later had to be cut as incomplete.
      Pushing back the release wasn't really an option for either party, Bethesda wanted a reasonable gap to Skyrim which was launching 12 months later, meanwhile Obsidian was in financial trouble even before development started and needed to release the game on schedule or risk bankruptcy.
      So no hard feelings between studios, I remember one of the senior devs being asked back in 2015 or 2016 by a journalist if Obsidian would be interested in doing a similar game based on Fallout 4 and he said yes, they would still like to work with Bethesda on Fallout if the chance came up.

  • @mrsnuffles2320
    @mrsnuffles2320 3 года назад +30

    I remember when I was a kid and I got the quest from Emily, I never did it because I thought if I did, House would have me banned from The Strip or I would be shoot on sight.

    • @anueutsuho7425
      @anueutsuho7425 2 года назад +19

      Apparently if you tell Mr House you plan on doing it, not only does he not punish you, he dares you to do it.

  • @FakeEnclaveSoldier
    @FakeEnclaveSoldier 4 года назад +374

    Loving the series, hope there’s a remake one day will cut content restored

    • @IncultaWolf
      @IncultaWolf 4 года назад +2

      Perhaps 😏

    • @Yannis1a
      @Yannis1a 4 года назад +18

      Only a fan made, obsidian is doing their own thing and Bethesda never had actual hopes in NV, they just did it to end the western story and basically a final act of good will to the creators of the original series as their was many problems when they got the rights

    • @firewarrior6084
      @firewarrior6084 4 года назад +5

      If there is a new Vegas remake I call 2025 at the earliest to 2030 at the latest.

    • @geth7112
      @geth7112 4 года назад +6

      Hey if people could actually get the Snyder cut thing to happen. I think we could get it done for something that's actually good. Released the obsidian cut Bethesda.

    • @Darknal199
      @Darknal199 4 года назад +11

      Actually a team of modders is working on a remaster called Fallout 4 New Vegas

  • @Warmaker01
    @Warmaker01 3 года назад +26

    I still remember entering "The Strip" years ago and feeling so disappointed.

  • @bturx2180
    @bturx2180 4 года назад +59

    holy shit a full hour

    • @bturx2180
      @bturx2180 4 года назад +12

      not complaining

  • @allenpate4515
    @allenpate4515 3 года назад +83

    I swear every year i hear and see more cut content undiscovered until im just like damn will it ever end ... Haha hopefully never

  • @infernoreviews2529
    @infernoreviews2529 3 года назад +124

    Sometimes I wonder why the vegas was so destroyed, house shot all the nukes out of the sky.

    • @UgandanAirForce
      @UgandanAirForce 3 года назад +77

      probably neglect/deterioration from not properly maintaining the infrastructure for a couple hundred years. the strip itself probably had the best care into it compared to the outside, but this would require a lot of manpower that they dont have i'd imagine.

    • @infernoreviews2529
      @infernoreviews2529 3 года назад +1

      Yeah that could be the case.

    • @jarskil8862
      @jarskil8862 3 года назад +32

      Shock- and heatwaves from missiles that hit further away?
      House saved vegas from direct hits.

    • @yourehereforthatarentyou
      @yourehereforthatarentyou 3 года назад +39

      @@jarskil8862 to add onto this, in-universe vegas is a lot less wrecked than it looks in-game. look at the prequel comic, thats how new vegas *actually* looks. in-game its obviously way smaller and harder to convey that new vegas is more than just las vegas boulevard, (the game being rushed is another symptom is this) and the result of this is the destroyed parts being a lot closer to the vegas strip itself
      the implication is that house shot down most of the bombs that were going to hit center vegas itself, and the remaining bombs were left to hit the outer areas of vegas which would be like summerlin, winchester, and paradise. i figure these areas are meant to be the outer areas of new vegas, becoming westside, freeside, and the south vegas ruins (where vault 3 is)

    • @jarskil8862
      @jarskil8862 3 года назад +22

      @@yourehereforthatarentyou Its huge dissapointment that the game was rushed. I really would love to see huge city done similarly as Washington DC was made in fo3.

  • @papabibo5
    @papabibo5 3 года назад +10

    33:03 caught me off guard because the whole video had been so professional up to that point lol

  • @user-cz2cg6sr5d
    @user-cz2cg6sr5d 2 года назад +16

    The MP attacked me even though my rep with the strip was unpredictable and the rep with ncr was idolized, didnt owe any casino, didnt kill a single trooper, and he says "You should've payed your dues, nobody fucks with the NCR!"

  • @ThePickleBehindTheSlaughter
    @ThePickleBehindTheSlaughter 3 года назад +5

    I love the subtle panic you can hear in houses voice when he says "your chances are minimal"

  • @acunt
    @acunt 3 года назад +174

    the PS3 version really is the worst version. the longer you play the harder it is to play, i.e. longer load times, lower frame rate, higher frequency of crashes, etc.

    • @jacobowens2603
      @jacobowens2603 3 года назад +12

      Mothership Zeta for fo3 on the ps3 was especially bad in my experience

    • @FINSuojeluskunta
      @FINSuojeluskunta 3 года назад +8

      @@jacobowens2603 Same here. I remember by the time I was super far in my save file was enormous. Crashed almost every hour.

    • @etou1146
      @etou1146 3 года назад +4

      @@FINSuojeluskunta NV and F3 crash for me at least once every 15 minutes on PC. That is with a few mods (some specifically for stability improvements like more RAM or stutter remover), but still. NV is especially bad, sometimes crashing from one loading screen to another. Once every hour is something I would consider rock stable

    • @bennygerow
      @bennygerow 3 года назад

      That's The first FO I played, I I was so bad I think I played two sessions then never picked it up again

    • @MaxPayneInTheAss
      @MaxPayneInTheAss 3 года назад

      I got a 360 just for New Vegas. This man speaks the truth.

  • @ptolomaios4118
    @ptolomaios4118 3 года назад +27

    It still amazes me how the team made such an amazing and deep game in just 18 months

  • @wesleyp989
    @wesleyp989 4 года назад +46

    9:19 holy shit I was reading about how the body was understood in the Middle Ages for a history course and he’s referring to the exact humours I had to learn about lol.

    • @johnh7593
      @johnh7593 3 года назад +3

      Yea the Ultra-Luxe would go medieval on your ass.

  • @bmessier2
    @bmessier2 3 года назад +18

    8,68k subscribers? That's criminal! As a Fallout New Vegas super fan, I can't thank you enough for your wonderful videos. I learned so much and it made me appreciate how special this game is even more.

  • @Vienna3080
    @Vienna3080 4 года назад +166

    I really hope Fallout 4 NV will re add all this awesome cut content

    • @drewinsur7321
      @drewinsur7321 3 года назад +16

      True, one day... one day. There will be a great NV remaster... one day.

    • @wisemankugelmemicus1701
      @wisemankugelmemicus1701 3 года назад +1

      @@drewinsur7321 Fallout 3 and Fallout NV can't be remastered.

    • @CopeAndSeeth
      @CopeAndSeeth 3 года назад

      @@wisemankugelmemicus1701 why

    • @wisemankugelmemicus1701
      @wisemankugelmemicus1701 3 года назад +23

      @@CopeAndSeeth Because surprisingly, Bethesda has actually updated its engine since Morrowind and Fallout 3 and New Vegas' various mechanics have to be remade from scratch. The only thing that can be ported from Fallout 3 and New Vegas is the world space.
      Believe it or not random gaming youtubers don't know what they're talking about it when they say Bethesda has never updated their game engine.

    • @ozricaurora6943
      @ozricaurora6943 3 года назад +5

      @@wisemankugelmemicus1701 new Vegas was basically a carbon copy of fallout 3 with a different story

  • @wyattmaness1151
    @wyattmaness1151 3 года назад +8

    My favorite thing about this game is how it became an instant classic to me. I was born and raised playing FPS shooters but this was truly my first RPG experience and I became obsessed. I have played it consistently since it’s released and it has only appreciated with age. In my younger years I built maps and content for several games I played. After playing this game since day 1 I think one of the most insane fact is that it was built in in 1.5 years. It is 2021. TES: 6 has been in developement for 10 years. Can you even imagine what the scope of this game could have been with 3 years of development?

  • @Vanalovan
    @Vanalovan 3 года назад +29

    What I wouldn’t pay for a proper New Vegas Remake. Updated Engine, restored content, bug fixed and in game mod support. I play that like it was a Paradox game!

  • @lstatic21
    @lstatic21 3 года назад +30

    All it takes is one of these videos to hit the RUclips algorithm and your channel will blow up guaranteed

  • @Luke_H98
    @Luke_H98 4 года назад +35

    Couldn't have clicked faster, a whole HOUR+! Sweet.
    Wanted to add to my comment after i finished the video. Very well made and informative, I can see the hard work and effort you put into this. As always, outstanding work!

    • @TriangleCity
      @TriangleCity  4 года назад +3

      Thank you so much dude! 🖤

    • @jetnebula7915
      @jetnebula7915 3 года назад

      Also I got the lines at 50:32 ? These have always worked for me

  • @stinkygoat2686
    @stinkygoat2686 3 года назад +27

    Lol, can't imagine deving this game on a pc, testing it on an Xbox and having it run fine and then testing it on ps3 and getting 10 fps, I'd have a heart attack in thay moment of realization.

  • @ilovecody7514
    @ilovecody7514 4 года назад +2

    This video is masterful, there was way more cut content here than even I was aware of. Great work!!!

  • @sagetheassassin3192
    @sagetheassassin3192 3 года назад +35

    If it wasn't for my PS3, I would've never discovered fallout.

    • @packlesswolf1
      @packlesswolf1 3 года назад +4

      Wow you played on the shittiest console im sorry lol

    • @sagetheassassin3192
      @sagetheassassin3192 3 года назад +11

      @@packlesswolf1 But it was godly!!!😁

    • @packlesswolf1
      @packlesswolf1 3 года назад

      @@sagetheassassin3192 a great game nonr the less. I'm glad you got to play it!! I play fallout 76 still. They added a lot of stuff and npcs so the game feels pretty good now

    • @JetpacksWasYes2
      @JetpacksWasYes2 3 года назад +11

      @@packlesswolf1 you tell someone they play a shitty console yet you play a shitty cash grab fan fare "game" that took two years to even become a playable one with a cohesive "story" and npcs lmao even still its nothing what fallout should be. Keep giving them your time drone.

    • @clownworldhereticmyron1018
      @clownworldhereticmyron1018 3 года назад +2

      @@JetpacksWasYes2 I'm consistently amazed by how low people's expectations are with games. Boggles my fuckin mind.

  • @tntsummers926
    @tntsummers926 4 года назад +7

    Great video, I'm always glad when you update!

  • @JimboJimbolina
    @JimboJimbolina 4 года назад +4

    Was literally just revisiting your vids and this drops. The next hour is sorted.

  • @iammaxhailme
    @iammaxhailme 3 года назад +22

    While my most desired "unfinished content" would be a more fully developed, socioeconommically explored, and morally explained Legion and associated main quests, a huge space for the Strip is also high on the list.
    Actually playing post-main quest is probably #1.

    • @Jiub_SN
      @Jiub_SN 10 месяцев назад +1

      Every thing listed was intended, including Ulysses as a main game companion for the legion (he was pretty different from what we got on the dlc tho). It hurts my heart, but fallout 4 new Vegas is trying to reimplement a lot of the cut content, so here's hoping we get a well running and complete Vegas when that releases

  • @donpileimeier2673
    @donpileimeier2673 4 года назад +14

    I'm a simple man, I see NV I click play and grab the popcorn.

  • @FUBBA
    @FUBBA 3 года назад +21

    33:05 me just minding my own business rn reading my bible listening to the cut content when all of a sudden

    • @WigTheC0wb0y
      @WigTheC0wb0y 3 года назад +1

      Yeah oh gosh I’m not gonna be able to get it out of my head

  • @nat040496
    @nat040496 2 года назад +7

    If the rumors of New Vegas 2 are true, I really hope they reimagine the Strip with some of the original intensions, making it much bigger.
    I feel like the in-game depiction is slightly non-canon because they had to scale back their ambitions to make it work on console, so the in-game depiction is a compromise on their vision.

  • @Grimpy970
    @Grimpy970 3 года назад

    Thank you so much for your detailed dissection. I'm so thankful for your dedication- these videos are very meaningful to me

  • @tedparf5431
    @tedparf5431 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for all this info! I hope I will be able to continue making mods to restore various parts of the Strip, and this type of video is perfect for that.

  • @D00000T
    @D00000T 3 года назад +15

    hopefully some of this could be incorporated into the f4nv remake once that's done. fallout 4's engine is able to handle large scale environments both horizontally and vertically with multiple moving parts and without any loading screens. Most of this can probably work in that engine

  • @mrdoge9508
    @mrdoge9508 4 года назад +64

    I'm very disappointed there isn't a mod to fix this.

    • @trappy8682
      @trappy8682 3 года назад +23

      You can combine a few mods to get a similar effect, there is a mod that removes the dividing walls on the strip for example. Cleaner texture mods also exist for some things.

    • @themusicalwizard613
      @themusicalwizard613 3 года назад +4

      There's mods that restore cut content, even overhaul the strip!

    • @iamgroot1223
      @iamgroot1223 3 года назад +9

      Not even flex tape can fix this

    • @user-vq4pf7if3i
      @user-vq4pf7if3i 3 года назад +2

      Check out New Vegas Restoration and Freeside Restoration on nexusmods, they are pretty close to what you want

    • @GilbertDingle505
      @GilbertDingle505 3 года назад

      There is a mod that brings back the concrete walls and second entrance here: www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/40429
      Just make sure you have this mod: www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/38056 which gets rid of the 2 gates separating the Strip

  • @rosegraham5283
    @rosegraham5283 4 года назад

    Fantastic work man, the hour watching this was totally worth the watch!

  • @InColdBloodTTG
    @InColdBloodTTG 3 года назад +2

    Really good work with this video, no doubt this took you a long time to put together. FNV is still one of my favourite games and I'm glad people are still talking about it and asking questions even today. Huge respect for all the people at Obsidian who no doubt had to work within pretty rough constraints. Just wish some of these things could've happened (most notably the Strip being an actual strip and not 3 rooms seperated by walls) but nonetheless it's still amazing what they accomplished with the game in such a short timespan.

  • @rjd-kh8et
    @rjd-kh8et Год назад +3

    You still get the key to The Tops High Roller suite after winning 7500 chips. I assume Clanden's arrest was disabled because according to Ambassador Crocker, the NCR MPs only have jurisdiction over NCR troops as part of the NCR's treaty with Mr. House.

  • @BayAreaUAV
    @BayAreaUAV 4 года назад +7

    Would have watched when it dropped yesterday, but I was crossing the Salt Flats, leaving out of Wendover. Was up at BIG MT last month. Love your channel dude!

  • @s2studlys2
    @s2studlys2 Год назад +1

    2nd time watching this series, and dam the work that's gone into your videos is to be commended man.
    Cheers 👍

  • @OrderRealm
    @OrderRealm 3 года назад +5

    I hope someone makes an overhaul that brings most of this back to life.

  • @sturdytheegg1221
    @sturdytheegg1221 4 года назад +46

    What does New Vegas have in common with newton, Einstein, and Darwin? They’re born premature but still genius.

  • @BrutalDeath007
    @BrutalDeath007 2 года назад +6

    I remember getting this game on console when it came out and being blown away, I absolutely loved it and was blissfully unaware of all the cut material. Then a few years later I found out just how much better it would have been if they weren't forced to rush it. I almost still feel kind of robbed on console because you're basically playing a broken game. Then I got it on PC years later and the mods really opened my eyes as to just how much more impressive this game was intended to be. Too bad I don't get any trophies on PC though haha

  • @Scalpaxos
    @Scalpaxos 3 года назад

    Nice video. It always amazes me how complicated is the technology behind such a fun and entertaining thing as a video game.

  • @r3mus47
    @r3mus47 3 года назад

    Such an underappreciated topic, good job man.

  • @anthony923
    @anthony923 3 года назад +6

    Fallout NV when my mom walks in: 33:33

  • @gieuseppe1871
    @gieuseppe1871 3 года назад +4

    it literally almost brings me to tears knowing there may never be a fnv remastered

  • @DayLateGamerWill
    @DayLateGamerWill 3 года назад

    Holy shit. This is nuts! I am blown away by your vid, good job dude

  • @rory251
    @rory251 2 года назад +2

    I wish that gate was kept, i always hated walking through a bunch of loading screens to get to the end of the strip

  • @DemDoolies
    @DemDoolies 3 года назад +4

    Holy shit...... I actually saw Trooper Willis and Fretwell and their two cronies in game!!! I don't know how they spawned or why but they were at Camp McCarran! That's insane

  • @autopilot5567
    @autopilot5567 4 года назад +12

    This video is impressive. Great research into what could have been

    • @Shushkin
      @Shushkin 3 года назад

      I second that motion!

  • @TobeWilsonNetwork
    @TobeWilsonNetwork 3 года назад

    Your videos serve as a really professional companion to the game, this is the sort of info necessary to critique New Vegas.

  • @mrj509
    @mrj509 3 года назад

    Wow this is amazing. thanks for all the hard work man

  • @nikkup4745
    @nikkup4745 3 года назад +30

    Obsidian creating fallout new vegas: solving 1,000 problems per second and still have ideas left over
    Bethesda creating fallout 4: smoking pot and staring at the sun

  • @begotten621
    @begotten621 3 года назад +4

    My idea of the Securitron telling the player yo return to the surface could mean they were orginally intending on making the strip a multi-layer city. Kinda like Coruscant from Star Wars, which sounds epic imo.

  • @adamwilcox3288
    @adamwilcox3288 2 года назад

    I watch this video so often man, it has helped so much for giving me ideas to make my strip look amazing

    • @TriangleCity
      @TriangleCity  2 года назад +1

      Are you making a mod?

    • @adamwilcox3288
      @adamwilcox3288 2 года назад

      @@TriangleCity i would love to make a mod for the roof of the Tops, using the inaccessible elevator but i havent tried yet no. I think it would be a great use of the door there if i could get the proportions right

  • @Tagar96
    @Tagar96 4 года назад

    Very impressive video Griffin! Shame to see the PS3 limit the area but amazing work making the video! Great to see this amount of content, looking forward to more! Keep up the good work mate!

  • @zeallust8542
    @zeallust8542 2 года назад +9

    I love how a lot of these things were changed to run better on consoles, yet if you play this game on PS3 you'll find that it really didn't do a good job

  • @davidwhite3903
    @davidwhite3903 3 года назад +3

    No wonder I have not heard from you you've been busy making a movie :) So proud of you and all of your accomplishments keep up your incredible work you beautiful sob

  • @twokindszen1189
    @twokindszen1189 3 года назад

    Wow that was alot I didn't even know about it would have been cool to see new Vegas as like that art picture you shown on video and this video was awesome now i know about the cut stuff from the new vegas strip keep up the great work with the videos :)

  • @Legokip
    @Legokip 3 года назад +1

    This needs to have more views it is so well made great work

  • @DaveSouthPhoto
    @DaveSouthPhoto 4 года назад +4

    Yes! New video and its a long one. Time for some snacks!

  • @TKsh1
    @TKsh1 4 года назад +9

    It's still a miracle they pulled out a great game in just a year and a half of development, especially since the PS3 was a mess in general. While Obsidian really deserved more time, I'm not gnna put all the blame on consoles and Bethesda because there's too much elitism in Fallout fanbase already, and it's just how limitations and videogame production works lol.

  • @SkylorBeck
    @SkylorBeck 3 года назад +1

    I am so blown away by the amount of content on your channel for how few subscribers you have.

  • @beauvankomen
    @beauvankomen 2 года назад

    such great content man the game is so great, been watching u for a while keep up the great work

  • @carsilk2492
    @carsilk2492 3 года назад +7

    I think NV is my favorite Fallout... I've replayed it so many damn times. It's like apple pie or a nice fire on a snowy day. Fuckin cozy

  • @greasey8695
    @greasey8695 2 года назад +5

    Console limitations once again holding art back, gotta love it.

    • @norsefirefighter
      @norsefirefighter 2 года назад

      I don’t even think a high end PC at the time of the game would not be able to handle it.

  • @grigger7000
    @grigger7000 3 года назад +2

    The audio from the Carlitos mission that you hear if you see them later is actually accessible if you talk to them right after they thank you for reuniting them as they’re running away

  • @jacksonelh
    @jacksonelh 4 года назад

    ITS HERE BABY!!!! all that hard work paid off for sure haha!

  • @OuterHeaven210
    @OuterHeaven210 3 года назад +26

    Fun fact! The game is STILL unplayable on ps3 same with Skyrim. Fallout NV was so bad I just went to gamestop to sell it. The guy said “that’s a Bethesda game” when I got Skyrim in 2011 my game would crash if my characters head went underwater

    • @TriangleCity
      @TriangleCity  3 года назад +6

      Oh fuck. I remember that bug in Skyrim. I lost a character to that patch 😭

    • @Nhler54
      @Nhler54 3 года назад +1

      I play it on ps3 and it’s playable until you get later in the game. I’m considering building a pc to play new Vegas and a lot of other games that are not as playable on ps3

    • @robertharris6092
      @robertharris6092 3 года назад +1

      @@Nhler54 do it. you can get a stronger PC for less.

    • @OuterHeaven210
      @OuterHeaven210 3 года назад

      Nhler54 do it! It’s so worth it to play fallout NV alone on even a middle of the road PC. Not even talking about mods either, I hated fallout NV til I got it on PC.

    • @raptorfromthe6ix833
      @raptorfromthe6ix833 3 года назад +1

      did this happen to everyone? fuck i guess i was lucky cuz the only bug i remember was the vats glitch during that president kimball side quest

  • @jethrobaarda7442
    @jethrobaarda7442 3 года назад +4

    I know this would be a huge task, but I've always wanted a video cataloging and dating every single piece of content that was removed or deactivated in a post launch patch. for each ver. ps3/360/pc. I've looked at the wiki and while it does normally mention patched out removal at the bottow of the page in the "trivia" section there is no index/ catalog to see it all in one place on a time line. most often they were removed to make room for dlc stuff.
    New vegus has heaps of cut content before release but that's relativity normal in game development(to a lesser degree). it's the post lunch cut content, removed by patches that is more abnormal.
    BTW amazing video man. excellent information, fantastic footage, great voice work, great audio(no annoying backroundmusic). thanks for this i'm sure ill watch it again sometime.

  • @WireXV
    @WireXV 3 года назад

    I love the use of the "Faster Than Light" ambient music haha

  • @isuckatusernames4297
    @isuckatusernames4297 2 года назад +1

    I love how confident the mp sounds, considering that if you got a bad reputation in the strip in general, you're easily capable of taking care of a good amount of ncr soldiers without breaking a sweat

  • @FilthyPeasant6
    @FilthyPeasant6 3 года назад +4

    We could see more from Utah, Arizona, California and Nevada in the game if they make a sequel or a Remaster, there would be more to know about The Legion and the NCR, imagine seeing the Grand Canyon in it.

  • @diogenesborealis7852
    @diogenesborealis7852 3 года назад +4

    @37:45 I once got the Benny ambush event with the Uncut Wasteland mod. I thought it completes Benny's arch really well, especially if you roleplay as a masochist.

  • @patrickmuhwheeney6518
    @patrickmuhwheeney6518 4 года назад +1

    Great work! Thank you!

  • @DukeTheRebel
    @DukeTheRebel 2 года назад +1

    I’m not the biggest RPG person and even though I don’t think I could ever bring myself to play fallout it’s channels like these that always peaked my interest about these kinds of games, I love cut/changed content or facts about games. So this should be a fun rabbit hole