Honest Heart's Development and Cut Content

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024

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  • @TriangleCity
    @TriangleCity  2 года назад +790

    This 15,000+ word script is the longest I've ever written/recorded. Ended up having to delete about 15 minutes because it had reached a point where Premiere was constantly crashing and simply trying to export it would freeze the program eternally. To even get this cut down video out I had to change some of the effects/graphics. The irony isn't lost on me that this is a video about cut content caused by memory limits and it has its own cut content because of memory limits 😂🤦‍♂️ Projects of this complexity take a lot out of me, so it'll probably be a while before I release anything like this. Huge thanks to the dope people in my discord for helping with research. I hope you enjoy 🖤
    Update: I restored the toast
    www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/74886/
    Update 2: Apparently the section about the Yao Gaui scene not happening on the PS3 version is wrong. A friend who has some esoteric knowledge of the game mentioned it and I took it at face value without checking it. The Yao Guai still appears but apparently the gecko doesn't from the comments I've gotten. My bad!

    • @TheGamingTree
      @TheGamingTree 2 года назад +15

      Are we going to be able someday get a Uncut version? Directors cut edition?

    • @TriangleCity
      @TriangleCity  2 года назад +19

      That was part of what I cut out 😢. That line seemingly suggests it was a unique spear, though he does have throwing spears in his inventory so it miiiight be a reference to that, but definitely possible it's a reference to a cut weapon.

    • @bigf00tgaming37
      @bigf00tgaming37 2 года назад +7

      Have you considered doing more Elder Scrolls cut content, or perhaps current fallout games cut content?

    • @niaure6516
      @niaure6516 2 года назад +5

      Yours is the best channel that I always look forward too for Fallout content! Thank you for posting this video, the hard work that went into it and likewise for your exceptional back catalogue of effort. Cheers!

    • @joshfarley3343
      @joshfarley3343 2 года назад +6

      thank you for making my favorite video game into a multi-part documentary. from origin of conceptions to drawbacks on final product is such a great format

  • @waxerwaer9700
    @waxerwaer9700 2 года назад +1805

    53:21
    "Follows Chalk and Waking Cloud have cut scream lines for being set on fire, but Joshua does not."
    Now that's some lore accuracy, as it's said in-game that when Caesar set Joshua on fire and tossed him into the grand canyon, he didn't scream on the way down, so it makes sense he wouldn't scream now.

    • @justeliwood2289
      @justeliwood2289 2 года назад +240

      Joshua should have had a line but he just calmly says "You think this will stop me?"

    • @tylercoon1791
      @tylercoon1791 2 года назад +179

      ‘I thought I told you, the fire inside burned hotter....’

    • @maximutatro3176
      @maximutatro3176 2 года назад +59

      *burns in silent agony and in fire*

    • @JohnDoe-vq9ck
      @JohnDoe-vq9ck 2 года назад +58

      Joshua built different

    • @highjumpstudios2384
      @highjumpstudios2384 2 года назад +55

      Joshua should have said something deadpan like "Not again."

  • @MyArchive930
    @MyArchive930 2 года назад +1383

    I'm glad that Honest Hearts kept Joshua Graham's character human.

    • @aidenwall19
      @aidenwall19 2 года назад +34

      Yeah, instead of him being a ghoul or a super mutant.

    • @MyArchive930
      @MyArchive930 2 года назад +167

      @@aidenwall19 I meant “human” and not the sneering imperialist perk personified.

    • @SUBZERO-rd5oq
      @SUBZERO-rd5oq 2 года назад +97

      I am glad that they went against the wishes of playtesters. Having a one-dimensional tyrant of a leader would worsen the quality of the story and likely cause most people to help Daniel. I think what they should have done with Daniel is make him distant to Joshua out of fear of him returning to his Legate-form.

    • @kikrinman1450
      @kikrinman1450 2 года назад +26

      @@MyArchive930 I think someone that is still present in Joshua's treatment of the White Legs, albeit lessened. The only real reason he treats the other tribes well is to make amends for his past.
      I do imagine he still has some reservations towards tribals, the Bible tends to frown upon tribals and their beliefs. However has learned over the years that despite their differences, their current situation is shared.

    • @dennisthefivestarman8177
      @dennisthefivestarman8177 2 года назад +4

      @@MyArchive930 cry about it

  • @ryskar_
    @ryskar_ 2 года назад +429

    Surv. Rifle is my favorite Fallout weapon. You can tell the thing has its own story just by looking at it, like the Ratslayer. But unlike the Ratslayer, it’s shown to have undergone rigorous use and constant maintenance, to the point that entire parts are replaced. I love that.

    • @FlymanMS
      @FlymanMS 2 года назад +20

      Ratslayer is one of my favorite weapons too, perfect for small to medium game.

    • @ryskar_
      @ryskar_ 2 года назад +37

      @@FlymanMS Everything (except Deathclaws and other high DT things) is an oversized rat if you squint hard enough. Especially raiders.

    • @FlymanMS
      @FlymanMS 2 года назад +9

      @@ryskar_ basically anything without good armor

    • @giovannicervantes2053
      @giovannicervantes2053 2 года назад

      @@ginandcreme damn Skippy

    • @cookies23z
      @cookies23z 2 года назад +6

      100% agree... I honestly love the jam animation too, its the one weapon I *want* to jam because it feels like it should occasionally jam, its an old ass wonderfully storied weapon

  • @planescaped
    @planescaped 2 года назад +1023

    It sucks that Honest Hearts got the least attention, as it was honestly the most interesting idea.

    • @blueberrimuffin6682
      @blueberrimuffin6682 2 года назад +87

      Imo it was the least interesting idea. I mean, facing down another courier in a world unknown to those after the fallout and having them nuke the world, a casino filled with riches built for a girl, capturing the greed of many, robot scientists making abominations thinking their world is the only one, and a man thought dead helping an innocent tribe. Still interesting just... less so, to me at least.

    • @nathanlevesque7812
      @nathanlevesque7812 2 года назад +4

      @@blueberrimuffin6682 agreed

    • @raditzhoneyham
      @raditzhoneyham 2 года назад +77

      @@blueberrimuffin6682 okay except you're clearly biased because it you explained HH the same way as the others you'd see OPs point.
      This is a land unknown to ANYONE in fallout. A *natural* land untouched by the bombs, the only change being wildlife. You're so detached from the wasteland, you're meeting what is potentially the start of the next human race. A second wave of native tribes. You team up with an ex legionary hypocrite, a youth pastor, fight bears fight ghosts and save Zion from a tribe with motives worse than the legion: pure destruction and malice. It even has a side story completely optional in terminals only (something fallout fans seem to love) AND faction dialogues with Joshua including legion content which is super rare even in the dlcs

    • @OuterHeaven210
      @OuterHeaven210 2 года назад +33

      I was super fucking excited for honest hearts. When I first played I was a teenager and I didn't like it. Replaying it a while ago as a grown up made me appreciate the story more.

    • @manuelyausaz2976
      @manuelyausaz2976 2 года назад +3

      Was that just a coincidence or you tried to squeeze a pun jajaja

  • @germyforev4495
    @germyforev4495 2 года назад +739

    I have to love josh sawer telling area designers to lower the river beds. Just I imagine some area designer putting the finishing touches on an area and josh going "You need to lower that river"
    Area designer: "Why?"
    Josh: "I threw myself off the cliff and died... I guarantee you our player base is going to be throwing themselves off these cliffs"

    • @absollum
      @absollum 2 года назад +87

      He's not wrong.

    • @nathanlevesque7812
      @nathanlevesque7812 2 года назад +15

      throwing themselves off the cliffs in frustration yes

    • @Qtoyghs
      @Qtoyghs 2 года назад +154

      Reminds me of the unused pop-up message from Lonesome Road that says, "Stop jumping off of buildings."

    • @KodiakDunne
      @KodiakDunne 2 года назад +31

      it's a shame they didn't do that for the bridge at the start because that's the first thing i did and died 😢

    • @Become-Eggplant
      @Become-Eggplant 2 года назад +14

      I see that as another appropriate means of fast travel. Why take the long way down when you can take the "long way down".

  • @mathiascroqvist4719
    @mathiascroqvist4719 2 года назад +525

    I honestly only wish Stella was a companion and the only other person of the caravan to survive. She was the only one who i found interesting and plus that voice is just pure gold.

    • @MickeyLeeBukowski
      @MickeyLeeBukowski 2 года назад +97

      You don't want old Dead Eye Ricky as a companion?

    • @mathiascroqvist4719
      @mathiascroqvist4719 2 года назад +82

      @@MickeyLeeBukowski if he can get off the psycho and keep his hands from shaking than just maybe he'd be a good companion. But for now, I prefer Stella. She has a steady grip, cool head when tempers flare and funny enough in my game her AI package glitches and she only dies after killing all the white legs at the ambush. Her head just randomly explodes.

    • @mastur3677
      @mastur3677 2 года назад +45

      @@mathiascroqvist4719 I prefered the guy who ran the caravan company

    • @thereallonefallout1920
      @thereallonefallout1920 2 года назад +48

      @@mastur3677 Did you know that Jed Masterson, the caravan boss of Happy Trails, is voiced by Dave Fennoy, who also voices Lee Everett in Telltale's The Walking Dead?

    • @giovannicervantes2053
      @giovannicervantes2053 2 года назад +3

      @@thereallonefallout1920 and slamin Sammy Stevens of mafia 2 delta radio

  • @Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation
    @Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation 2 года назад +944

    Personally I think this DLC is underrated. And Joshua Graham is probably one of my favourite characters in any game ever.

    • @mastur3677
      @mastur3677 2 года назад +12

      Personally, I prefer Uylesses

    • @headshot531
      @headshot531 2 года назад +3

      i agree i actually had a lot of fun with it. any expansion of the game is worth playing imo.

    • @deadtreb1509
      @deadtreb1509 2 года назад +38

      I prefer Ulyssess, bear bull, bear bull. bear bull, bear bull, bear bull. bear bull, bear bull, bear bull. bear bull, bear bull, bear bull. bear bull, bear bull, bear bull. bear bull, The Old Flag, The divide, bear bull, bear bull. bear bull...

    • @DamnitBobbeh2399
      @DamnitBobbeh2399 2 года назад +25

      @@deadtreb1509 bulls, bears, battlestar galactica

    • @zildjian2381
      @zildjian2381 2 года назад +12

      i prefer the survivalist

  • @Ashephalt
    @Ashephalt 2 года назад +350

    Really wish you could’ve kept the happy trails caravan group alive. I remember reloading the game so many times trying to keep them alive before realizing I couldn’t.

    • @kotzpenner
      @kotzpenner 2 года назад +48

      lmao same, tried it maybe half a dozen times, until I realized I can kill everybody in the ambush and their heads still spontaneously explode. This pulled the curtain for me lol.

    • @cookies23z
      @cookies23z 2 года назад +8

      indeed, I liked talking to them and learning about them a bit... stella, even ricky, mess of a person he is.

    • @bobbyferg9173
      @bobbyferg9173 2 года назад +13

      The DLC really does like to start off with doing a complete 180 on your expectations, for better or for worse

    • @ravenred6878
      @ravenred6878 2 года назад +3

      I spent an hour reloading and then giving up and reading the wiki only to find out everyone is scripted to die. 💀

  • @indycole396
    @indycole396 2 года назад +382

    Zion is probably one of my favourite fallout experiences, easy. The location, characters, story, lore (man in the caves) and just, history of the national park and it’s mix of early post war to modern day post war make the park a great vacation from the Mojave.

    • @8pija22
      @8pija22 2 года назад +9

      that's really the coolest part, it feels so steeped with history, from the prewar tourists and rangers to the postwar tribes, it just works

    • @giovannicervantes2053
      @giovannicervantes2053 2 года назад +4

      Made me want to actually go to zion and if I get the chance I will

    • @bobbyferg9173
      @bobbyferg9173 2 года назад +3

      @@giovannicervantes2053 It is nice to see how many people are inspired to go to Zion after playing the DLC. As someone who has been there a couple times before myself, I have to say that despite how hard they tried in this DLC, there is only so much you can do to try and capture even a fraction of the beauty of Zions National Park in a 2010 game engine, seeing it with your own eyes is another experience all together

    • @giovannicervantes2053
      @giovannicervantes2053 2 года назад

      @@bobbyferg9173 I saw a bit of it from videos and my God it's absolutely astonishing

    • @Borals
      @Borals 2 года назад +1

      @@giovannicervantes2053 it sucks they’re is a reservation system now I got a reservation for August of next year

  • @fikujez
    @fikujez 2 года назад +730

    I don't understand why the fans didn't generally like this DLC. Post-apocalyptic tribal villages was one of the cooler new additions to the lore in Fallout 2 and I was so happy that it was revisited.

    • @bobbyferg9173
      @bobbyferg9173 2 года назад +82

      Personally I wasn't a fan of some of the story twists at the start of the DLC like having the caravan you came in with all die or dealing with boring discount native Americans over seeing a society based on a prewar religion only for it to actually be destroyed. Also the DLC had way too much go to X location to collect objects Y and Z. which was something I felt New Vegas tried to avoid in quests due to how uninteresting it is. The DLC also feels really short and perhaps rushes you from one objective to the next without giving you time to explore properly (also only 1 vendor and no storage area made it hard to keep all the items you wanted, at least for me).
      But despite the paragraph of grievances I have with the DLC, I think it still is a solid experience overall. It had some neat quests and very interesting characters and stories like with Joshua Graham and the Survivalist. Like all DLCs you had some items and perks to play around with as well. Also considering it wasn't constantly slogged down with tedious mechanics like Dead Money was, it is already better than that DLC in my book

    • @gunmunz
      @gunmunz 2 года назад +67

      and the area is so damn pretty, I remember having my jaw drop when after playing most of the game finally seeing a color other than brown(in an era of gaming were most of the color pallet was brown)

    • @Abysia
      @Abysia 2 года назад +69

      It had no content. As soon as you arrive and meet the tribes you're on the final quest to decide whether to fight or flee. Textbook example of wasting a perfectly good plot, setting, and characters. It could have been so much more

    • @LucyWest370
      @LucyWest370 Год назад +21

      @@Abysia yeah. Theres a bunch of side content, but with a limited number of NPCs it made it difficult, especially when they were blowing memory on the caravan group thats meant to die immediately.

    • @daveshif2514
      @daveshif2514 Год назад +18

      its simply the least content of any of the other dlcs. its not bad just not the best and therefor some ppl wont like it

  • @docmitchell9032
    @docmitchell9032 2 года назад +634

    I remember as a kid trying honest hearts and being confused why everyone in the dlc was hostile. I talked with a friend of mine at school and he told me the same problem. Neither of us new we had accidentally attacked Follows-Chalk

    • @exoticmaterials2695
      @exoticmaterials2695 2 года назад +100

      I remember doing that with Waking Cloud. I think as a kid, seeing a half naked bald woman running at you with a bear gauntlet is a little intimidating.

    • @nickhard7615
      @nickhard7615 2 года назад +124

      I feel like everyone's first experience with Honest Hearts is murdering Follows-Chalk, thinking he was also an enemy, being told to grab a map, doing so, and then going "what the fuck?" when the ending scenes play

    • @dragonfell5078
      @dragonfell5078 2 года назад +51

      @@nickhard7615 Pretty accurate. When I first played Honest Hearts I was shooting at the white leg on the cliff, and I probably tagged Follows Chalk by accident in the confusion. I only knew I had made a mistake when I saw he was named character. I rightly assumed he was supposed to be important, then reloaded a save.

    • @FreshBarn
      @FreshBarn 2 года назад +5

      Man I ripped off 2 rounds luckily missing before he talked to me.

    • @nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526
      @nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526 2 года назад

      Yep, same thing happened to me first time I played Honest Hearts.

  • @maycontainnuts3127
    @maycontainnuts3127 2 года назад +134

    i love how the ambush dialogue indicates how sick everyone is of each other after however long it took them to get to Zion

  • @TokimoSoda
    @TokimoSoda 2 года назад +235

    The more cut content being documented, makes me wish for a total remake using the cut content and cut multiple choices. I wouldn’t care how long it takes, this game deserves more.

    • @TheLazyFinn
      @TheLazyFinn 2 года назад +6

      Same here, I didn't know that DLC had this much cut content as well, if I knew how to use modding tools I might try something myself

    • @HomeboyUnholy
      @HomeboyUnholy 2 года назад +3

      Have hope! The NCR and Caesars Legion get bigger everyday (;

    • @TheLazyFinn
      @TheLazyFinn 2 года назад +10

      @@HomeboyUnholy If someone can actually overhaul Caesar's Legion into being a good faction, it would be awesome

    • @conmereth
      @conmereth 2 года назад +4

      I've been saying this forever! We NEED Fallout New Vegas: Director's Cut

    • @TheLazyFinn
      @TheLazyFinn 2 года назад +4

      @@conmereth Time to learn Creation Engine then :D

  • @ThePdog3k
    @ThePdog3k 2 года назад +73

    The story of the Survivalist for me, is my favorite bit of lore in the entire Fallout universe. It encompasses, for me, almost in it's entirety, the bitter reality of what surviving in a post-apocalyptic world would be like. Losing everything, but just trying to hang onto anything good you had left.

    • @Basarius
      @Basarius Год назад +4

      Randall Clark is my favourite Fallout character/lore piece. I'd write how I feel about it but I'd just be echoing your sentiments.

  • @__rex__
    @__rex__ 2 года назад +178

    That comment about the Survivalist logs pushing players to support Joshua is such a big one. Every time I play Honest Hearts, I usually think, "OK, we'll do this the less brutal way this time," but every time I read the Survivalist logs I feel a massive amount of fury towards the White Legs. It would be too disrespectful towards Randall Clark to just let Zion be overrun by those who only wish to plunder.

    • @nicktyrin4401
      @nicktyrin4401 2 года назад +31

      Yes, exactly! It quite literally was his will for sorrows to retaliate if needed

    • @wojak-sensei6424
      @wojak-sensei6424 Год назад +19

      There's a time for peace, love, and prosperity, and there's a time to stand your damn ground. The Sorrows deserve to have a home. The White Legs and the Dead Horses can waltz back wherever they came from, but the Sorrows only have Zion Valley. I'd rather for them to lose innocence than to lose their dignity.

    • @Roader72045
      @Roader72045 Год назад +7

      In my current play through of Honest Hearts. I was clearing out a White Legs camp for that quest to stop them from planting traps. And I went into vats. Saw the last one had a service rifle, was a little suspicious. Killed him, saw it was The Survivalist’s Rifle. I then decided to kill them all and keep Salt-Upon-Wounds alive for the best ending.

    • @8stormy5
      @8stormy5 Год назад +1

      "Violence isn't always the answer, but sometimes, it's your goddamned right"
      -Nines

  • @TheValkyre0
    @TheValkyre0 2 года назад +49

    Everytime I think about this DLC. I wonder why they attached those weird quests to Joshua Graham and the tribes when the main story is clearly Randall Dean Clarkes.
    God what a masterfully written character.

  • @ImYourGuyAustin
    @ImYourGuyAustin 2 года назад +275

    God, I seriously love Fallout new Vegas. It's my all-time favorite game tops.

    • @user-hi4sm3ig5j
      @user-hi4sm3ig5j 2 года назад +24

      It's my all-time favorite game ultra-luxe.

    • @gummyneighborino7217
      @gummyneighborino7217 2 года назад +14

      @@user-hi4sm3ig5j its my all time favorite game gomorrah.

    • @molodoy..
      @molodoy.. 2 года назад +2

      Edens gate W

    • @cd-yx3nv
      @cd-yx3nv 2 года назад +10

      It's my favourite game atomic wrangler

    • @CrimpyCramps
      @CrimpyCramps 2 года назад +1

      @@gummyneighborino7217 it's my all time favorite game the tops

  • @Dank455
    @Dank455 2 года назад +26

    Using console commands, I respawned Ricky back into Happy Trails after telling him to leave.
    Another caravan guard is spawned and dies in his place during the ambush.
    Because of this, Ricky survived my ambush and with a console command to make NPCs follow you like companions; I was able to bring Ricky with me through the whole DLC.
    It took some save-scumming to keep him alive, but I was glad of Dead-Eye's company in Zion!

  • @_-Achilles-_
    @_-Achilles-_ 2 года назад +82

    Imagine if the cut “bug spray” was a direct counter to cazadors

    • @TheBuster0926
      @TheBuster0926 2 года назад +27

      Would've made the whole... Big Mountain gene-splicing thing seem even more hilarious.
      All of this science, and all I need is this can of Frabreese

    • @benito1620
      @benito1620 Год назад +7

      ​@@TheBuster0926would absolutely fit in with OWBs.
      Or make bug spray instant kill cazadors but only with wild wasteland.

  • @GrievousReborn
    @GrievousReborn 2 года назад +43

    Joshua Graham's voice actor voices most of the male Dark Elves in Skyrim

    • @nickelakon5369
      @nickelakon5369 2 года назад +6

      He also kind of looks like colonel sanders.

  • @danieldeangelo4848
    @danieldeangelo4848 2 года назад +20

    I actually really liked Joshua's introduction. He doesn't need to prove he's a badass and doesn't care if the Courier thinks he is one. He has a job to do, and the courier can either help or get out of the way. This sets him apart from the more theatrical Caesar and Lanius, who need to go out of their way to cultivate the authority Joshua naturally exudes.
    The scene also emphasizes his more utilitarian attitude vs Daniels's idealism.

    • @jmjedi923
      @jmjedi923 Год назад

      I read Joshua as Jef at first and thought "ya Jed does seem pretty cool"

  • @Coolcoolcoolcoo
    @Coolcoolcoolcoo 2 года назад +108

    I really enjoyed the serious view on religion they took in this dlc. As he said most games just use it as the butt of a joke or dismiss it outright, which I think is lazy.. It's central to the story of virtually every culture in human history, why can't it be examined honestly the same way politics can be.

    • @wojak-sensei6424
      @wojak-sensei6424 Год назад +16

      FNV managed to handle religion and political philosophies respectfully and in interesting ways. Not bad from a couple of CRPG nerds.

    • @LucyWest370
      @LucyWest370 Год назад +3

      To be fair, Fallout 3 did something similar with its quest and the Children of the Atom, but it wasnt nearly as in depth as Honest Hearts.

    • @feliciaf8
      @feliciaf8 5 месяцев назад

      this literally, it's really lazy and looks dumb doing that

  • @planescaped
    @planescaped 2 года назад +125

    I did legit kill Follows Chalk on my first time playing Honest Hearts.
    Obviously I reloaded... who the heck would be confused and think that Chaos in Zion is the whole DLC!? XD

    • @nickbrowning3270
      @nickbrowning3270 2 года назад +16

      Literally me lol, reloaded after I got to the sorrows camp and won the shootout

    • @ianmcdonald6617
      @ianmcdonald6617 2 года назад +4

      I have a bad habit of killing my companions in the base game, and well, FC and WC got the brunt of my fuck ups in my first go around

  • @williamdunbar2802
    @williamdunbar2802 2 года назад +80

    All of this really makes me wish that New Vegas gets completely remade one day with all of the stuff cut from the dlc and base game restored, and the dlc load order shenanigans fixed

    • @Golygt42
      @Golygt42 2 года назад +16

      Fnv directors cut

    • @Abysia
      @Abysia 2 года назад +6

      As long as it's remade by Obsidian. Bethesda would, without a doubt, add nothing but trash and ruin all the preexisting content.

    • @Desty0007
      @Desty0007 Год назад +1

      @@Abysia like current obsidian os better lmao

    • @TriangleCity
      @TriangleCity  Год назад +6

      Obsidian has released so many bangers since New Vegas, not sure where the sentiment comes from that they're not the same. Pillars of Eternity, Tyranny and Pentiment are some of the best RPGs of the past decade.

  • @masterblaster2733
    @masterblaster2733 2 года назад +143

    Honest Hearts Makes FNV for me. I appreciate how they portrayed the New Cannanites as a whole. Usually anything involving my Religion in media ends in the butt end of a joke. Who ever wrote the script did a bang up job. Showed how human everyone is and how we can all fall. Keep up the good work Triangle City

    • @gummyneighborino7217
      @gummyneighborino7217 2 года назад +12

      I mean, mormons are pretty easy to make fun of

    • @hyndquart5241
      @hyndquart5241 2 года назад +27

      @@gummyneighborino7217 your name is corn gullet. And you have a Steven universe pfp. I imagine you get laughed at constantly irl.

    • @LtSprinkulz
      @LtSprinkulz 2 года назад +12

      @@hyndquart5241 doesn't make him wrong tho

    • @hyndquart5241
      @hyndquart5241 2 года назад +2

      @@LtSprinkulz don't get me started on you. I'd hate to hurt your feeling little buddy.

    • @LtSprinkulz
      @LtSprinkulz 2 года назад +11

      ​@@hyndquart5241 oh no, the reddit warrior has mean words to say to me.
      tbh idgaf about anything a 6 year old account with 10 subs says, especially if they're still uploading from their playstation.

  • @sevenkaylive
    @sevenkaylive 2 года назад +54

    I don’t have enough words to thank you for what you've done for Fallout New Vegas, a game I hold very close to my heart, in all these years. Your research, mod work, datamining, editing, narrating, everything is phenomenal. ❤️

  • @kathrineici9811
    @kathrineici9811 Год назад +4

    Follows-Chalk: “Hello there, visitor! Have you seen our lovely-“
    Player: *Screaming, panicking, and shooting*

  • @lordschmeebles1606
    @lordschmeebles1606 2 года назад +82

    I honestly like HH the best out of any of the DLC's. It doesn't overstay it's welcome like some of the other DLCs, and it's genuinely the most fun area to explore in the game for me.

    • @RealBradMiller
      @RealBradMiller 2 года назад +7

      Randall Dean Clark and rain.... what more could we want? :)

    • @danielsurvivor1372
      @danielsurvivor1372 8 месяцев назад +1

      "It doesn't overstay it's welcome"
      Dead Money: "Am I a JOKE to you?"
      Can't say same about OWB and LR, those are kinda too long at times 😅

  • @jamsanator0511
    @jamsanator0511 2 года назад +27

    When I first heard Jed Masterson’s voice, I immediately said *”OH MY GOD ITS LEE!!”* lol I’m such a TWD fanboy.

  • @rainfyre2694
    @rainfyre2694 2 года назад +18

    Zion made me shed a tear with how beautiful the map was, i played dead money and honest hearts back to back and the contrast is insane.

  • @jakethesnake4040
    @jakethesnake4040 2 года назад +48

    The religious context involved is super interesting. Personally I find religion to still hold value when you get down to its root instead of listening to everyone shouting about it. So when I had to choose between Joshua and Daniel, I still chose Joshua. Despite understanding Daniel and his views. I found daniels views to be too hopeful and unrealistic when it came to the fallout world. The tribes stayed innocent like they were, because they were isolated in Zion, moving them would’ve resulted in the same problem later on, or simply caused more problems for the tribes. I also didn’t like the idea of giving up their home because they were pressured. Joshua’s views in my eyes while being more wrath than peace, was more of a result in my eyes. They kept their home, got rid of the threat, they may have lost their innocence. But in time, while staying in that environment, they’d eventually regain it. But in my eyes it’s still something they needed to do to survive

    • @jeffumbach
      @jeffumbach 2 года назад +7

      I can't side with Daniel because he's naive, you can't run forever and at some point you have to stand and fight. Might as well do it while you have tactical advantage at the time as well.

  • @AidenRKrone
    @AidenRKrone 2 года назад +133

    Hearing Joshua Sawyer's thoughts on the religiousness and religiosity between Joshua Graham and Daniel was interesting. As someone who is a lay theologian with a background in Christian theology (even though I don't personally consider Mormonism to be a branch of Christianity), I enjoy hearing about how religion inspired the dichotomous choice between Graham and Daniel. Sawyer stated that a player who doesn't share Daniel's worldview, i.e. the value of nonviolence and innocence, will typically not side with him. However, as a Protestant fundamentalist who understands the theological and spiritual significance of forgiveness and innocence, I too side with Graham rather than Daniel. The Dead Horses and the Sorrows have a biblically ordained right to defend their homeland and protect their tribes. Daniel's plan to evacuate Zion Canyon doesn't solve the problem; it simply prolongs it.

    • @TriangleCity
      @TriangleCity  2 года назад +28

      Well said 🖤

    • @markhirsch6301
      @markhirsch6301 2 года назад +12

      I really could never side with Daniel after I tried it once, once I learned they would salt the earth of Zion and reading the survivalists logs I just feel that Daniel has no right to remove them. Zion, even though it's dangerous, is one of the last pieces of beauty in the Fallout universe, destroying it is not an thing I want to happen

    • @seydasneed
      @seydasneed 2 года назад +7

      Being Catholic, I'm of the belief that Graham is entirely in the right, and I would argue that compelling Graham to spare Salt-Upon-Wounds is also the correct way to go.

    • @isaiahjoseph7352
      @isaiahjoseph7352 2 года назад +2

      @@seydasneed
      Spoilers ahead
      yeah, a few people have basically said that its the right thing to do anyway, the reason being that if you pay attention the dialogue joshua has a strong belief in self defense and mercy. Basically you're keeping joshuas beliefs in mind when you spare salt apon wounds and I mean its not like the 80s dont murder him anyway lol

  • @justsegal6578
    @justsegal6578 2 года назад +38

    "That's it? That's the DLC? That was just half an hour of killing tribals!"
    Most people's first playthrough.

  • @bryanryder7196
    @bryanryder7196 2 года назад +97

    I really wish New Canaan was a location you could visit in this DLC how its talked about by Jed and the almost legendary status it is given as a thriving community in the heart of an otherwise chaotic land filled with warlords raiders and tribal gangs was really intriguing to me

    • @Daedalus4
      @Daedalus4 2 года назад +8

      They couldn't do it for New Vegas and that was the main game. They would never be able to get New Canaan running the way it would need to.

    • @wojak-sensei6424
      @wojak-sensei6424 Год назад +8

      I wouldn't imagine it to be "thriving", really. But it would be a generally peaceful and chill place compared to the rest of the wastes.

    • @509Gman
      @509Gman Год назад +1

      I’d love for the next “out west” Fallout to be about New Canaan.

  • @leadkiss7262
    @leadkiss7262 2 года назад +42

    The devs really said "the time for talk is over" *cuts content* "the lords work must be done"
    *releases dlc*
    *Joshua Graham's eyes start glowing*

    • @leadkiss7262
      @leadkiss7262 2 года назад +2

      @Martin the Warrior oh my God that was fucking beautiful

  • @autopilot5567
    @autopilot5567 2 года назад +38

    A side to the story that showed us what the white legs would have been like would have added a lot. Buy by far the more cinematic into would be best.

  • @bendes19
    @bendes19 2 года назад +38

    I love honest hearts. All the other DLCs are so dark and oppressive. Not that HH didn't have dark themes in it (far from it). I just think the environment is beautiful and fun to explore.

  • @ECytchannel
    @ECytchannel 2 года назад +16

    First time playing it, I thought we would stay with the Happy Trails caravan NPCs but they die on the first encounter with the White Legs.
    Lee, rest in p-... I mean, Jed, rest in peace.

  • @rattusmaximus1970
    @rattusmaximus1970 2 года назад +9

    I don't get the complaints about Joshua being disappointing. Some of the biggest badasses in history are basically normal people who did extraordinary things and then went back to being normal people. Honest Hearts was a very grounded DLC and felt that way when I went into it. Nothing ridiculous like a midnight science fiction feature, just people being people

  • @IpfxTwin
    @IpfxTwin 2 года назад +16

    It is absolutely CRIMINAL how underrated this channel is. I watched every second of this. Thank you for the awesome content and all of the effort you put into it!

  • @BillehBobJoe
    @BillehBobJoe 2 года назад +28

    "Honest Farts.... **sigh** nice"
    - Josh Sawyer reading a chat during the oblivion anniversary stream

  • @junkie_cosmonaut9622
    @junkie_cosmonaut9622 2 года назад +11

    Honest hearts is my favorite DLC. The lore, the story, Joshua graham

  • @updowne-1224
    @updowne-1224 2 года назад +40

    Loved the dead money one, I can't wait to see this one

  • @Forestmarko
    @Forestmarko 2 года назад +7

    its refreshing to see someone analyzing the content with actual understanding of the lore (and not just speculating on random BS)
    nice, thank you

  • @josephvickrey5396
    @josephvickrey5396 2 года назад +8

    I fell in love with this game, and played it for at least 200 hours. Did every ending possible, and loved it. Put the game down for a bit, then played it again after all the DLC came out. Holy shit, meeting "The Burned Man" for the first time was so cool.

  • @kotzpenner
    @kotzpenner 2 года назад +8

    Really telling how great a game can be when people are talking about it 10 years later. I mean, just the number 62 episode of this series speaks volumes about this.

  • @TheScienceguy77
    @TheScienceguy77 2 года назад +9

    I always loved Honest Hearts, but this video gave me an even greater appreciation of it. I watched The Mission in a college history class and it truly is a fantastic film; in hindsight I can see how much it parallels and inspired HH.

  • @_-Achilles-_
    @_-Achilles-_ 2 года назад +13

    The joke about Salt Upon Wounds’ toast had me dying laughing, amazing video as always!

  • @CatnamedMittens
    @CatnamedMittens 2 года назад +28

    I remember asking Sawyer about this dlc during one of his streams and if they had to cut a lot of stuff out of Zion, he said not particularly. They did what they wanted to do with it.

    • @TriangleCity
      @TriangleCity  2 года назад +12

      For a DLC, it has a lot of unused content

  • @jacksonelh
    @jacksonelh 2 года назад +16

    the most hyped video of the year finally releases

  • @travistreadway3180
    @travistreadway3180 2 года назад +14

    This was the first DLC I remember spending a lot of time in cause my character wasn't too weak at the time and it was a birthday gift along with the rest of the DLC 2013 was a hell of a time that I miss to this day

    • @TommyWitDaTone
      @TommyWitDaTone 2 года назад +2

      2012/2013 were the years I first played this game. I bought the game summer 2012 and I swear this was the only game I played for the next year. I replayed it multiple times to understand the whole story from each side and I still think about those days all the time. Such a good time in life

  • @DawgBreff
    @DawgBreff 2 года назад +12

    It would of been interesting having a choice at the beginning of which of the caravan team you could save, having them as a companion, with your choice of them bringing variation/difference on side missions and outcomes due to their personalities

  • @PELTIER5
    @PELTIER5 2 года назад +10

    Imagine the cut weapon bug spray having a unique version that you could craft and you would use Benny's light and maybe some unique limited edition bug spray in the map or something.

  • @GwenShep
    @GwenShep 2 года назад +8

    This is honestly the one dlc I gladly play with every new character I play, the world space, the weapons and outfits, the characters, its honestly such a good DLC and it makes me sad seeing how much more love they had to add to it

  • @Pebphiz
    @Pebphiz 2 года назад +4

    I was very underwhelmed by Honest Hearts when I played through it, but this video gave me a better understanding and appreciation of how much work and passion went into it.

  • @adamcarroll3088
    @adamcarroll3088 2 года назад +12

    So thankful for all the work you've poured into this channel. Always a pleasure to see your uploads

  • @bobbyferg9173
    @bobbyferg9173 2 года назад +26

    As someone who has been to Zions National Park several times, I have to say that it was great seeing an in game depiction of the park. Although of course, being a minimized game recreation, they could only capture a fraction of the beauty of the park, notably the in game Zion tends to have too much red rock.
    Zion in real life has a lot of black and white rock along with the red rock. There is also plenty of vibrant foliage, more than you’d probably think for a desert. But of course you can’t really fault the devs due to the limited time and resources they had, but I’d say this is all the more excuse to see Zion in person yourself if you ever are near the Southern Utah area

  • @loonboy4905
    @loonboy4905 2 года назад +4

    These videos are so damn incredible it’s almost insulting to call them just “cut content”. Please keep up the amazing work

  • @gbnam21
    @gbnam21 2 года назад +6

    I love HH, and it DID make me travel to Zion national park to see it myself. As a fan of FNV who reads up all the lores and stuff, this video is an amazing work. Hope to see more! Also, I really liked that usage of FTL soundtrack in the middle of video.

  • @tankacebo9128
    @tankacebo9128 2 года назад +5

    it's actually pretty accurate in scale to the real Zion national park. I went there in summer 2020 on a cross country motorcycle trip, basically my prelude to Vegas. the whole ride through the main road was around 20 minutes, even in traffic that stopped for a minute or two sometimes.

  • @Duskwalker68
    @Duskwalker68 2 года назад +11

    Hey man, just wanted to say that these cut content videos are absolutely awesome! I can't even imagine the amount of work that goes into making these.

  • @Jamicaman516
    @Jamicaman516 2 года назад +7

    Ive been waiting for the other DLC cut content for quite some time. THANK you for putting all the effort in to bring this to us!

  • @TheVeryAngryShrimp
    @TheVeryAngryShrimp 2 года назад +29

    I love Honest Hearts so much. My favorite DLC, and I wish there was more post-end content, but revisiting it feels so empty and barren. It makes sense, as everyone left, but man....

    • @RealBradMiller
      @RealBradMiller 2 года назад

      Do they still leave even if you convince them to stay? I haven't been back after I've left.... maybe I need to start a new playthrough!

    • @TheVeryAngryShrimp
      @TheVeryAngryShrimp 2 года назад

      @@RealBradMiller I'm not sure, because I always told them to leave in my playthroughs.

  • @realspartan5206
    @realspartan5206 Год назад +3

    A lot of people forget that asking Joshua about salt upon wounds wasn’t cut, it plays literally right after you walk out of the sorrows camp

  • @liamplunkett9551
    @liamplunkett9551 2 года назад +8

    HH is my favorite DLC by far it’s sad how much was cut and how little time they had

  • @HerrGinger
    @HerrGinger 2 года назад +4

    Amazing work man! HH blew me away when I first played it, just as a refreshing change from the destruction of the wasteland. So much so that I've wanted to visit Zion ever sense then. I've watched some of your videos off and on and was SHOCKED to realize you're under 50k subs, criminally under rated. Keep on keeping on!

  • @VieriTheArtist
    @VieriTheArtist 2 года назад +10

    Thank you very much for making this video. Honest hearts is my favorite of the New Vegas DLC. Follows Chalk is a sweet boy, Waking Cloud I unfortunately didn’t utilize much, Daniel… he means well. Joshua definitely steals the spotlight; Keith Szarabajka is a fantastic voice actor. He gives Joshua an air of sternness with a tinge of Conviction or wrath. I really enjoyed the themes of religion and tribal conflict being in the front and center. It’s just kind of sad that Bethesda really worked Obsidian to the bone to get this out.

  • @PristianoPenaldoSUIIII
    @PristianoPenaldoSUIIII Год назад +2

    I adored HH for no other reason than The Survivalist. That character is so good.

  • @johnk.7523
    @johnk.7523 2 года назад +9

    Honest Hearts is so underrated imo.

  • @stretch2796
    @stretch2796 2 года назад +23

    I have a real soft spot for this dlc even though its so simple. I just think the atmosphere, characters, and story of this place is so beautiful, immersive, and unique that it grabs me. Whenever I'd play a new vegas character one of the first questions I'd ask myself is, "Would they side with Daniel or Joshua and to what degree?" And I've been able to get a lot of variation from my different characters. To bitter old men happy to destroy an enemy, young starry eyed girls thinking death isn't the answer, to a scarred tribal superimposing her own trauma on this new conflict and using it to confront and grow past that. It's kind of sad people don't love it as much as I think it deserves especially because I thought its depiction of religion was so well handled. I know this video was a draining process to make but I appreciate it so much, thank you and keep up the good work.

  • @StarBurstRastaman
    @StarBurstRastaman 2 года назад +7

    I love how anything concerning Fallout on console boils down to:
    "How about no."

  • @haruruben
    @haruruben 2 года назад +3

    My first impression was unimpressed but the longer I played it the more I became impressed with it. It had a lot of interesting factions and Joshua Graham is a very memorable character with an iconic look.

  • @sirlawrence2284
    @sirlawrence2284 2 года назад +10

    Brilliant. Thank you for your effort. By now you've covered dozens of hours' worth of content and it's a huge achievement for the whole fallout community. Thank you for your work.

  • @Zaphlyn
    @Zaphlyn 2 года назад +5

    This is probably my favorite of the dlcs as it felt like I unlocked a new open world instead of just an area, you cannot return to Dead Money's area, and while you can return to The Divide and the Big MT, this one felt the most populated, with a plethora of new characters and things to find

  • @darthmeesa2825
    @darthmeesa2825 2 года назад +14

    Thank you for the time you put into this.God be with you.

  • @conn9823
    @conn9823 2 года назад +2

    “How in the fuck is salt upon wounds supposed to make toast!?” This here had me cracking up.

  • @rosegraham5283
    @rosegraham5283 2 года назад +6

    1:18:55 Cowboy Bebop soundtrack... nice!!!
    Awesome video as always!

  • @dan_loeb
    @dan_loeb 2 года назад +8

    So this is where you went! Glad to see more content, this must have taken a lot of work.

  • @Luke_H98
    @Luke_H98 2 года назад +9

    Tremendous amount of hard work here. Really enjoyed this one. Thank you for your dedication Triangle, this stuff is amazing!

  • @wellitsureisntdale1860
    @wellitsureisntdale1860 2 года назад +32

    I thoroughly love in depth content like this, also it’s great to learn about one of my favorite games ❤️

  • @SilasGrieves
    @SilasGrieves 2 года назад +39

    I swear, every single time I think I’ve heard everything about FO:NV’s development, I find out that it only scratches the tip of the iceberg.
    It is absolutely *criminal* what restrictions Bethesda put onto Obsidian to allow development.
    Just imagine what NV could have been with one more year in the oven. Or two years.
    Just imagine what Honest Hearts alone could have been.
    We got such a solid game with 18 months development time. And Bethesda even robbed them of a bonus because the game scored one below their agreed upon Metacritic average.
    Bethesda needs to be shamed as much as possible for the rest of their existence for what they did to FO:NV and Obsidian studios.

  • @tylertass9983
    @tylertass9983 2 года назад +12

    Such an underrated channel. You deserve way more subs, sir.

  • @Killgore-ip2yq
    @Killgore-ip2yq 2 года назад +3

    Thank you for covering this game. It's my favorite Rpg of all time and it's something I would play a thousand times over more than Fallout 4.

  • @keyblademasterclark
    @keyblademasterclark Год назад +1

    Honestly I love Joshua's depiction in the DLC. He's still intimidating at times, but you can see he's discovered his humanity since leaving the Legion.

  • @christianlavilla5886
    @christianlavilla5886 2 года назад +3

    You put in so much time on this video definitely longest one I’ve seen from you. Such a underrated channel

  • @MMikethehiker
    @MMikethehiker 2 года назад +1

    Bro I just had a long ass week and still have a long Christmas but I get to rest now, I love kicking back to these videos.

  • @CorvoFG
    @CorvoFG 2 года назад +7

    HH is my least favourite DLC for FNV but it has its main saving grace in The Survivalist. One of the best pieces of non-story content ever written. Thanks though, for devoting so much time and effort to this often overlooked part of the story.

  • @MrMichealHouse
    @MrMichealHouse 2 года назад +1

    The response from JE Sawyer that you quoted about adding voicelines to Caeser was a response to a question I asked on Formspring. Gave me a laugh.

  • @VideoGameSophistry
    @VideoGameSophistry 2 года назад +35

    THE KING IS BACK! LONG LIVE THE KING!

  • @donskiver
    @donskiver 2 года назад +2

    Honest hearts is probably my favorite New Vegas DLC. I owe it to the fantastic writing of the survivalist and the fantastic writing and voice performance of Joshua graham's character as well as the thoughtful and genuine approach towards religion post-war. It scratched a moral and philosophical itch that very few games manage to.

  • @unluckytourist
    @unluckytourist 2 года назад +5

    This was my favourite DLC. I enjoyed playing (and enjoyed the loot) from Old World Blues and Dead Money, but they felt like different games/out of place...if you were playing them as normal missioms throughout your first playthrough.

  • @diothethotslayer1451
    @diothethotslayer1451 2 года назад +4

    Never gets old watching seemingly Never ending new vegas content, keep up the good work

  • @Deadlyparasite1
    @Deadlyparasite1 2 года назад +6

    oh god what a fucking BANGER of a video. thank you for the work you do man, you make such amazing content out of all the people in the fallout community. Please, keep doing what you do for as long as you can.

  • @saddays3578
    @saddays3578 2 года назад +15

    I just like how this had one curse word the whole time, and it was used to talk about toast.
    Love the energy

  • @marshallalexander8228
    @marshallalexander8228 Год назад +1

    I remember watching these vids a few weeks ago just to understand how Obsidian works It's magic on games (I'm a huge fan of Game Development)
    I had never ever played FNV until I watched your take on the Strip's cut content.
    Can't stop playing ever since, finished the game twice in the span of three weeks
    watched the Dead Money's Cut Content vid, and now that I finished Honest Hearts I'm watching this
    Thank you for making these vids mate, cheers, have a great start to your weekend!

  • @PrestonGarveyy
    @PrestonGarveyy 2 года назад +5

    It's MY SLEEPOVER and I get to choose the movie.

  • @near5555555
    @near5555555 2 года назад +1

    You make the best fallout NV content on youtube right now. So glad I was recommended this channel when you were still very small.

  • @auntiemurdoc
    @auntiemurdoc 2 года назад +3

    Man, I love your content! I could watch you videos over and over again even if I've seen them 5+ times already

  • @alexalexander6204
    @alexalexander6204 2 года назад +1

    The fact that many people are still discussing this game's story and plot after more than 10 years tells a lot about it's quality and value. New Vegas forever will be my most favourite game