EGRs are fine, the problem lays on the PCB valve. The soot and condensed oil mix up in the intake and form that black crust. Without the oil, it is just soot. Manufacturers know the solution, simply adding an air/oil separator or a cheaper catch can will clean the air going to the intake.
@@operation4wheelz Thats BULLSHIT It does help yes, but the fact is they do clog up the inlet and heads even when working as per manufactures design operations.
@@ScatManAust once and engine is up to temp there should be near no blow by and no oil should finish up in the inlet when given a good run at operating temps. It’s repeated cold starts that generally causes this issue unless there is something actually mechanically wrong. I’ve been driving my own diesels for years on end, drive them everyday endlessly at work and me nor any of my mate in my 4x4 club bother with catch cans. I don’t know a single person who’s actually had their inlet or valves clog up despite years of happy diesel use. You’ve just got a million companies telling you, you need a catch can and convincing it’s a massive issue.
Not withstanding the obvious safety issues with driving a forty year old vehicle, I'm of the opinion that early series Landrovers are the greenest vehicles out there. A large percentage of them are still on the road and although their fuel emissions aren't great I would suggest that is offset by the fact that they don't have to be recycled and re made every ten years and when they do reach the end of their life they can easily be recycled due to their high steel and aluminium content. Maybe instead of a fuel consumption sticker on the window of a new car we need a whole of life emission rating that takes into account emissions produced in manufacturing and recycling that vehicle, that way consumers could see the overall environmental impact of that vehicle, I think the results would be particularly interesting for electric vehicles especially when considering the environmental impact of recycling their batteries.
Interesting idea. A lifetime emissions sticker! Be hard to prove with new vehicles like the 300 series though as the are yet to be proven. Interesting thought bubble though.
Engineering explained did a video on this. The payback period is reasonably short. The amount of materials in a vehicle isn't significant compared to the fuel consumed. Example. 20L per 100kms. I drive 40,000 kms in one year. Car weight is 3,000kg. Fuel consumption total is 8,000 litres of 6,800kg of diesel. This isn't taking into account the fuel consumed to drill, process and transport it to the purchase location.
@@JebbreysJibberish Actually, even though the vehicle is technically "new", the tech in it is not, so it's recyclability is known, it's expected life is known, so yes, a lifetime environmental impact rating could be assessed and formulated quite easily, they won't as then they will have to admit that a 1957 Series 1 Land Rover is better for the environment that a brand new Nissan Leaf. However, given the choice for a daily driver, I'd not pick the Series 1. Lovely vehicle, but not really a daily driver... However I probably would pick a late 90's 300tdi for a daily driver with certain mods to make it more economic and a bit more torque.
If you have ever been behind a new Hilux whilst it’s doing a burn you will question the effect on the environment when the vehicle disappears from view in a mega cloud of blue smoke and stinking fumes … How the hell is this helping the environment???
I work for an electrical distributor and our vehicle fleet are needed to go off road through paddocks and bush regularly We have to deal with the DPF burn problems all the time … And I can DEFINITELY confirm that they cause fires if not carefully managed They are a pain in the A$$
sad thing is in america most rural fire departments get exemptions for this exact reason, also our military is exempt from having these on their equipment while they are now forcing any diesel over 74hp to have it
Thank you for sharing, you asked to leave a comment. In my opinion you only need to comply with regulations in a big city like melbourne, or Sydney. Outside them places reliably is key ! The less things that can go wrong the better for reliability. Remove all the parts and trick the computer with a loop and transistor will eliminate the problems and enhancements to reliable powerful engine.
Great video mate. I believe we are at the infancy of the end of Diesel engines. I’ve got a 2020 Triton and I’ve had dpf issues at 40,000kms. If governments keep regulating to make diesel vehicles a liability to own that will speed the process up of course but for now, I’m personally over modern diesels after my experience and witnessing the fleet of hiliuxs at my work suffer the same fate.
I'm an ex motor mechanic owner of a D23 Navara. I plated my EGR at 15k and haven't looked back. DPF still in place, exhaust pipe is clean and shiny inside at 115k. I've never had the DPF light on, and I only see it doing a 'burn' about once a year. If you look after the system by driving the car the way it was mean to be used and change the oil regularly with the correct type you'll be fine. (Assuming that you don't have car from a company who can't make a reliable system like Toyota) Most of the rest are fine.
This is a great video..👍 Reducing the efficiency of a petrol or diesel engine is worse for the environment. More fuel burnt = more emissions. High efficiency is better and cleaner for the Environment.
That is my thinking but I just figured I missed something! Look I get it the nano particles in urban areas may not be that great but latest research has shown tyre wear produces more particles that are just as bad. And guess what, EVs use tyres too!!
@@JebbreysJibberish DPF burns produce even finer soot which can be absorbed/ ingested easier and stay airborne for much longer. Emissions devices were used to kill off efficiency and reliability the dealiships love it as it means more money for them for Repair work. And loony greenies think its better so keeps them at bay. They design vehicles to last just over the warranty then boom. New engine or transmissio Needed.. or buy a new car again. Cars should be lasting longer not shorter with all the advancment in technology. Engineering failure points in engines and transmission design should be made illegal.
You are not wrong but I digress when people are essentially ask to get rid of their 10year car to buy a new, more “efficient” car…. The way to reduce environmental waste is a) drive less, b) keep car running for as long as economically possible and c) reduce the desire to buy another new shiny thing for whatever justification the marketers come up with
Well known. The EGR is the biggest cause of injector / DPF failure in the later model 200’s.. Turn off the EGR and you mitigate major failures. Equals reliability
Yep, can confirm. Got a remap and turned the EGR off (no DPF present). 20% more torque/power, much smoother engine, 10% less fuel consumption. No problems since 235.000km/15 years, oil is always clean.
The DPF collects soot from the engine, then burns if off as.....well...soot...what's the difference? And the environmental impact to extract and produce the chemicals required to make a DPF are extraordinary. Surely manufacturing a DPF creates as much if not more emissions than the engine does(short term I guess).
Volume is not a problem for enviromentalists, It's particle size. Basiclly, the exhaust coming out has the same volume. They don't smoke because they made the smoke so fine that you can't see it. If you can't see it, it's not there.......It's the new smart
Over here in the UK, most diesels have both EGR and DPF removed as they’re just a ball ache and cause nothing but issues. It’s weird to see such back lash as over here it’s almost expected on most diesels
That’s really interesting as it’s the’Euro’ standards that implemented all of those measures. I guess the short stop start driving over there would be hell on Dpf’s too.
Good video, but there's one piece of the EGR puzzle missing - PCV oil blow-by. Modern diesel engines vent this back into the air inlet, WITHOUT effective air/oil separation. When this hits the EGR (in fact, everything in between the air inlet and the intake manifold) it destroys everything. THIS is what needs to be addressed in a modern diesel first.
I’m afraid the Diesel engines days are numbered for exactly the reasons you sate. Sad but a sign of the times. Me personally, I’m very reluctant to buy new modern diesel vehicle with all this emission trickery. In South Africa where fuel quality can still be issue (More a case of fuel storage causing the quality issue) these problems are becoming more frequent than ever before.
Once a year,remove the EGR out of the engine,clean it,put it back in,problems solved.It's a simple valve that burns exhaust gases and makes our air cleaner. And drive more on highway over 3k rpm and your DPF will be trouble free.
I crunched some numbers when I was looking around for a new car. Ended up going with a early model 1GRFE 4.0L V6 Prado. After 50,000kms pretty happy with it, cheap servicing, reliable and quick, but the fuel economy isn't great. With standard mods I've averaged 13.7L/100 @100km/h and averaged 16.2L/100 city driving. Have had diesels before and the price for any major fuel related servicing scares me. With the success of the Y62 I can see a decent shift back towards petrol 4wds in the future. Not as good for slow speed 4wding but laying it down on the beach more than makes up for it. If anyones looking for a cheap way into the 4wd space, don't want to go the diesel route and dont commute too far, couldnt recommend a petrol prado more, nice car without these sort of headaches.
EGR on Direct injection diesel eventually kills the engine either by filling inlet manifold with sludge or by lack of quality controls on EGR cooler is poor why ,they split/leak then likely to cause major engine damage from overheating . Happens often .
Egrs and dpfs… reliability is less of an issue if repairs didnt at times approach the cost of an actual engine replacement. Try doing repairs several times like that and its very easy to start considering removal. Dpf burn and egr also shorten actual engine life due to the higher temps required in the name of “efficiency” all while losing “efficiency” as it uses more diesel during regen. Its just not a very good system generally, and heaven help you after warranty is done and you start to get some miles or ks on.
In short, to answer the topic of this video. People aren’t pissed off he’s removed the DPF, they’re pissed off that he boasted about it, is bringing negative light to the 4wd community and is in general just a bit of a squeezer…
MY 2010 ISUZU 4X4 300/75 CREW CAB AS DRIVING FOR MANY YEARS THAT FIND RUN OK AS TIME PUT 20,000 KM IN ONE YEAR TRAVELING WITH JOB AS DPF AND EGR SYSTEM WITH TWO TYPE INCOOL SYSTEM ON 5.2 TURBO DIESEL AND MY FUEL ABOUT 16LITE TO 1000 WITH 5500KG TRUCK AND 1400 KM RANGE TRAVEL THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE VIDEO
Im in the US and I have 1500 ram ecodiesel. The EGR and DPF have cause major problems with the diesel engines. I currently don’t have any issues with mine but I’m debating whether to sell it or do a delete.
DPF and EGR are terrible for vehicle owners but supposedly good for the environment. Once your inlet gums up and starts using more fuel you are polluting more than ever!!!
Had a Alfa Romeo 159 diesel with blocked egr and dpf. Cause of problems because I don’t do high way drives. Blanked off egr and cored a 20mm hole through the dpf. No problems with said car for 60,000km until sold. No negative change to performance.
I'm in the US. The whole epa shaking down small businesses for environmental fines bothers me alot. I personally believe that I'm being more environmentally friendly by continuing to drive my car instead of buying a new one, not playing their planned obsolescence game.
IMO overall emissions will be greater with DPF and EGR, You have to manufacture a DPF and ship it worldwide and they are a consumable probably more emissions IMO. EGR = cleaners, sprays chemical cleaning etc, then a new motor fabricated and shipped worldwide = more emissions. I personally cant see the so called emission "reducing" engines winning when everything is counted, as shipping is horrendously emission intensive.
with EGR delete, the emissions are just going somewhere else and all end up the environment anyway, whether you emit it while running or scrape it out of your intake, its all the same
Dpf egr both fine in my 2007 Passat 140bhp mapped to 170bhp TDI with regular oil changes every 5k and a blast down the M6 you shouldn't have any problems.😁
My '04 ZD30 Navara has the EGR blocked off. At 240,900 klm has no blowby, the oil only ever gets a dark honey colour, never needed a valve adjustment and no catch-can. The group 4/5 Amsoil engine oil I run through it and the oil that "goes along" with the intake air has cleaned and left the internal components of the intake tract spotless 😎
@@karlheinzvansteen5748 I'm using the original 10W40 and also adding 50ml per 10 litres of fuel semi synthetic 2 stroke outboard engine oil to help the fuel pump and fuel injectors.
Just because Toyota’s subpar diesel designs have issues with DPF doesn’t make them a problem. There’s so much to DPF reliability, and for a start it requires owners that understand how they operate, and how to utilise their vehicle sensibly to ensure adequate opportunity to regenerate. People have started to buy DPF turbo diesels and drive them around town with short trip after short trip, then blame the DPF when they fail. Key point is if you want diesel engines to stay around then they are part of the solution. But more importantly than that, DPFs make exhaust gases much safer for air quality. I’m sick of all the misinformation and user error leading to people complaining about the technology.
Ok got a degree in chemistry so do have some info. Carbon monoxide is much more toxic than carbon dioxide! The EGR recirculation ensured all carbon monoxide is burnt (yes it is a fuel) fully to carbon dioxide. There is no doubt that removal of EGR systems is bad for the environment. It's a no brainer. DPF systems collect micron sized particles "soot" which are difficult for humans to get out of their lungs and accumulate and are heavily linked to health problems including lung cancer, the periodically burn the trapped soot into carbon dioxide which is less harmful. DPF filters need to be replaced every ~ 250,000km or so. Again there is no doubt removing a DPF is bad for the environment. The problem with DPF systems is to do the Hight temp regen the car must be operating at a certain speed at a certain temperature for a certain amount of time. If not it blocks up once full and unable to do the regen. It is illegal in all states to remove the DPF if originally fitted, for the reasons I have outlined, and yes I own a DPF fitted X5 and I use a phone app and Blue tooth port to monitor the DPF and sometimes force a regen if the system is at 100% 🙄
Great Video, finally some logic getting thrown around, & yes I have the same question, since my performance upgrades & egr delete mine gets 90kms further per tank all day every day, so is it emitting more emissions or less!? Egr doesn’t stop all the emissions any way it only reduces the amount during certain operating conditions so is it really worth the reliability & premature failures it causes!?
Total emissions doesn't drop with dpf and egr, it delays and changes the type emissions the vehicle puts out. A litre of fuel still burns and produces the same amount of emissions whether in an old tech engine or a new tech engine. From what I seen dpf and egr makes fuel efficiency worse. However egr delete does seem to increase engine temperatures which can shorten engine life if temps gets too high so some form of improved cooling may be needed. I think the best way to improve emissions is to get the best fuel efficiency possible. And for engine longevity dpf and egr delete should help most engines with related/relevant tuning. Similarly removing the clutch fan seems to increase performance and fuel economy. In the end most manufacturers make cars to meet laws and give reasonable drives, they aren't necessarily ideal for drivers. An owner could put work into their vehicles to optimise everything to their needs and end up with a vehicle with improvements in performance, efficiency and longevity, not necessarily cheap but doable
If a diesel puts off a spark through the exhaust something is seriously wrong with it diesel dosnt spark it compressed air the the point that the air reaches 200º or higher then fuel is added
Good quality catch cans can slow down the gumming up of diesels drastically, and legally, and have been around for years. I suspect the people who have issues with DPFs clogging up are people who do tons of short runs/traffic intensive commuting, which in a modern diesel with an EGR and DPF system is bound to clog up quickly and cause issues.
Yeah except my catch can screwed my engine, blew all the seals and caused major oil leaks. And it’d been in less than 10,000kms and was regularly emptied. But it was a Ryco rc350. I did a video on it, and you can google other peoples issues too.
Interesting article with good thought provoking comments/questions. Last year picked up late 15 200 with DPF. Not my first choice but that’s what I have. Had a Toyota 80kkms service and commented on the dirty exhaust……4 months later all injectors and DPF’s replaced without question under warranty. Followed that with a different shop doing the full intake clean out as I trusted them to do it properly. Will it make a difference….yes all the oily gum has gone. Will it happen again probably even though have a catch can and EGR is off. Will the DPF now be ok? I guess time will tell. Worst part with EGR and re ingesting the crankcase ventilation causes oil gumming and therefore restriction so reducing power and economy so more fuel defeating the emissions control rationale in first place, not to mention chemicals needed to help the intake clean. What will I do? Service as normal, good fuel, good oil, good filters, give the car a good work out every now and again, manually clean the intake every 60-80 kkms. After market air box and new filter. For me next tune the engine and Gbox. If the DPF becomes an issue then have another chat with Toyota.
I remember years ago when I first read about DPFs being trialled in London by Toyota for their viability. The thing that stuck in my mind about it then was that the whole exercise was about reducing atmospheric emissions, namely soot, which is what we now call diesel particulates. They are one of the causes of poor air quality (think: China & India) and horrible respiratory symptoms & illnesses, including cancers. Similarly, EGRs' primary purpose is to reintroduce the nitrous oxides (NOx) from exhaust gases back into the crankcase, where (if I remember correctly) they serve to reduce oxygen concentrations and combustion temperatures, which in turn further reduces the amounts of NOx emitted ---- NOx is also a major contributor to respiratory illnesses and lung diseases. Do I hate the (potential and very real) threat of DPF clogging and lost performance? Absolutely. I have two modern diesel vehicles with DPFs in my fleet and am constantly pulling stats from the ECU to keep on top of their general health... and it's a pain. I used to have a pre 2006 diesel vehicle with no DPF and it was a joy to look after. BUT, smog in cities in particular, is a problem. People suffering chronic respiratory illness and dying from lung cancers is a problem. Children not knowing what breathing clean air feels like, and being more susceptible to respiratory and other illnesses, like asthma and other comorbid diseases, is a problem. I think whatever people decide to do, they have to try to factor long term human and environmental health into their equation. Not saying I love DPFs. But we need more health-viable alternatives to just removing them, along with EGRs.
It just ends up on the roadside and eventually in the water system plus when soot ect drys and the wind gets up it still ends up in the environment somehow ,,,, its like using dust suppression then 5 days of sun its back to dust and in your lungs every breath of wind.
Why? Health is killing everyone. Citties are like cattle feed lots. Maybe they can come up with a new technology so everyone can just live forever and sit and bitch about everything......kind of like today....but on a bigger scale
I have owned 2 Mazda BT50s and both suffered catastrophic engine failure! The first one failed after 47k kilometres and the second one failed after 33k kilometres. We used both to tow our 3tonne caravan on various trips around WA. In both cases the cause was reported to be under-fuelling by injector number 3. This caused a lean, and therefore hot, burn in cylinder 3 which melted a hole through the top of the piston and subsequently pressurised the sump and blew black engine oil in all directions. Messy! In both cases Mazda replaced the engines under warranty but after the second experience we decided to go with an Isuzu 4.5tonne truck. Yep, it’s diesel, of course, and I would much rather a petrol powered vehicle however not many options available at present.
Was than the 3.2l? I thought under fuelling and lean burns in diesels weren’t a problem, it’s running too rich that melts pistons? Or is there something different about common rails? Well I’m sure the Isuzu will do you well, those things have a great reputation!
@@JebbreysJibberish hey, not sure on that, but that was what was explained to me by the service manager of Busselton Mazda. Down in your neck of the woods.
I wish that RUclipsrs would stop making videos about dpfs because this kind of shit just gives coppers more ideas to check cars for dpfs. Just stop it already. But, Ronny is full of it for making that video about Matt. He is becoming all about views and money. Shame really..
I used to own a 80s truck with bypass oil filters, the oil was still clear after 5000km so I changed the oil every 10,000km. 400,000km no problems! Euro 5 has nothing thats good for your engine so change the oil & filters every 5000km! Deleting EGR you're running the risk of massive fines if you get caught! Warm them up! Run them hard, change the oil.
I think we are going to see more American trucks in Australia like the RAM and F250. This will happen as our war alliance increases trade relations and reliability of supply out of Central Asia is constrained. Our infrastructure is not ready for electric cars. More people will hold on to older 4x4 and do performance mods. That being said, Toyota has cancelled supply of the 300 series into Australia for the foreseeable future and buyers are seeing the Nissan Y62 as a viable cost effective option.
In Saudi Arabia Toyota 200 started to have problems with DPF and EGR Saudi owners complained to Toyota. a Specialist Toyota Technician was dispatched and a removal kit was approved and fitted by Toyota. I have actually seen the part numbers for the kit. Ronny Dahl made a melodramatic storm in a tea cup video on the bloke removing the DPF etc which he was using on private property which is not illegal. When Toyota were having all the trouble with the hilux`s DPF a mining company electrical engineer put a post on Auto expert saying Toyota supplied a electronic device to bypass the DPF. He said that he had reverse engineered the device to see how it worked. Toyota supplied this because the mining company vehicles were not able to be driven and were parked up, interesting.
Yes and even though the 200’s were not included in the class action people have been getting full injector and DPF replacements free of charge from Toyota even when they are out of warranty. So obviously things aren’t great there either…
I have a 21 ram 3500 and my dpf is clogged and needs to be replaced already. How is that more efficient? not even a year old ind I'm stranded for a month. Never again
PPF - petrol particulate filter These are going to be something coming in future petrol powered engines, so the issue is not just a diesel engine matter. Some DPF vehicles have zero DPF issues. One standout example is a Jeep Commander with the 3.0 CRD motor. No issue whatsoever and exhaust tailpipe is absolutely clean even after so many years with a mix of short and long drives. This is a Mercedes OM642 engine, not the Jeep/FCA VM Motori built V6 diesel engine, just to clarify.
@@JebbreysJibberish Hehe! Haven't seen that - the only other issue actually observed was disintegrating serpentine belt, one injector seal leak, and random suspension noises on the Jeep Commander CRD.
Yeah it’s a bit of a common problem unfortunately, and to make it worse it’s down in the bottom of the V under the turbo. So a real pain to get to. But even I will admit they are a nice motor.
People really need to educate themselves on these issues. There is so much BS on the internet, and 90% of people got no idea what they are dribbling on the internet…
My hilux handbook tells me to not park in long grass during dpf regeneration. Must be some sort of possibility of starting a fire. Most dpf issues that I’ve encountered have been a knock on effect of a separate issue. People don’t fix the cause and then get pissed off with having to deal with constant dpf issues.
This is a common practice in my country, egr and dpf delete. Egr are simply blocked and dpf needs to be removed prior to take out the ceramic inside. Then the ecu is modded and done. Emission controls are kind of a joke in my country.
I have a 100series v8 petrol Kakadu, I tow my 2.5 ton caravan with it ,when towing I get around 20ltres per 100k, depending on flat roads or hills etc. In Europe they have stopped selling diesel cars because of fuel emissions, I think diesel will be fazed out because of emissions we just have to see what happens in Australia.
Apart from the obvious problems and expense with the DPF and EGR systems, there is in my opinion another problem with modern diesels and that is the injectors and pumps as well as the costs in labour. Typically if there is injector and pump failure then the cost of repair will be that steep you would never recover the costs in the fuel savings by having a diesel engine in the first place. I would bet me left nut that a modern diesel would not see through 10 years of operation or 400,000km without at least one pump and a set of injectors with normal wear n tear let alone a dose or two of bad fuel that Australia is famous for and ruining the fuel system. Also people must realize that injectors are a normal wear n tare item like spark plugs etc and they do wear out by 80-100,000km. That is not to say they don't go longer as they obviously do, but they wear and cause excess pollution as they are not in tolerance to keep within the emissions stds. So I think buyers need to think seriously about purchasing a diesel vehicle. Overall long term ownership may work out much more expensive in the long run with a failure or two in comparison to having a petrol equivalent. Petrol engines and management systems have come an awful long way in the last ten years with regards to torque and they are much simpler which keeps reliability and costs down. You can buy a load of petrol for the difference in the purchase cost between petrol and diesel vehicles and factor in a fuel system failure or two on the diesel then you would be miles ahead with the petrol variant. Also there is an extremely high chance of major engine failure to factor in if and when the fuel system fails because many internal engine failures are caused by bad fuel systems. The way of diesels now is to make smaller and smaller cubic capacity engines and pumping the living daylights out of them with a turbo or two or even more and feeding the fat to them. Its all great while all the shiny stuff stay inside, but its like a Russian hand grenade. You never know when its gunner go off. ZD30SHITBOX Patrol comes to mind. A great little engine in a small car but make it do something like a Tojo does and its just a matter of time.
because DPFS make the scary occasional black smoke go away. it means the diesel engine is running cleaner. Can't see it. its not there..... when unnecessary equipment is more expensive than your entire engine. when it comes time to replace those parts and a 50-200 dollar delete pipe or whole exhaust kit for 1000 dollars is 1/4 the cost of replacement and makes your engine last longer going the cheaper route. its an obvious choice. more performance. more MPG.... More money in your pocket in the short term and long term. edit * EGR system is made to make the engine have less emissions at idle........ with that being said all these emissions devices Reduce MPG drastically.... Doesn't make any sense to me how my Truck that gets 14 MPG. is more environmentally friendly than my truck that gets 29mpg.... does the same amount of work for less fuel. how is it that the newer truck is more environmentally friendly by burning more fuel to do the same exact amount of work.
9:45 Chuck a Navara on that graph when the boost control solenoid goes... Those things soot like mad! Hate new cars - jump in them and they start dinging 37 times for fuck knows what. The focus on design over functionality annoys me, fake exhausts, how every crossover/hatchback has an ugly grey rear bumper (and the fact that they ALL look the same, they all just look and feel cheap), tiny rear window because it 'looks better' from the outside. It also makes me wonder at what point the safety features on new cars actually start impact on safety.
I am of the opinion the environmental implications of replacing and servicing a EGR/DPF system and its associated factors are overtime worse than the long-term use of the vehicle over it's lifetime of use had it not been equipped with emission control systems. That being said I have IDI TD2.8 4m40 Mitsubishi 97 Delica with a mechanical fuel pump. I can't work on modern engines myself as the ability to DIY after the year 2000 becomes more cost and time prohibitive. I personally would not get a current modern diesel over petrol. I like old diesels that can run on vegetable oil.
The EGR, DPF, and SCR systems are soooo overpriced to repair or replace, and when they have issues, and ALL OF THEM WILL, it usually damages the engine, with the SEVERELY restricted exhaust causing SEVERELY high crank case pressures. Ever notice how black the engine oil gets, even the same day of changing the engine oil, the soot from the exhaust system is pumped right into the crank case!!! They're all junk!!!
Diesel and petrol are both on the way out. Light vehicles will be mostly bev and heavy duty and long range requirements will be hydrogen. Australia has lots of land and lots of sunshine so it's a great place to use solar to make hydrogen. It's difficult to ship around though so that adds to the cost. I reckon in a few years every farm or quarry will have its own bank of solar panels hooked up to a hydrogen generator filling a tank that you use to refuel your vehicles.
I personally always thought hydrogen had more potential than EV for 4x4 enthusiasts because it’s hard to do the Gibb towing or caravan with an EV. But the tech hasn’t seem to have been taken up by the big manufacturers due to infrastructure concerns. It’s an interesting space that’s one.
Modern diesels with egr and dpf's don't work. The supposed fuel economy savings get killed by the service and intake cleaning costs. Buy a pre dpf diesel or a petrol.
@@HardstylePete Yes, I meant you used to buy a diesel for fuel efficiency but the modern additions of dpf and egr render the modern diesel inefficient and unreliable. My (no dpf) 2012 hyundai i30 diesel was great. My 2016 subaru outback diesel with dpf is a nightmare.
What about older turbo 90s diesels with no intercooler do you need the EGR to help cool cylinder temperatures a lot of the older 1kzte use to crackheads ?
Heads cracking on 1KZTE’s and 2ltes was because of poor alloy in the head itself and poor cooling systems. Nothing to do with EGTs. The EGR would be closed when under boost so wouldn’t aid in coming EGT temps.
hi EGR removed 100,000km Ranger gain 10% economy or 1 ltr per 100kms Prior to this injectors failed suspect carbon build up Inlet Manifold was removed and clean at same km . Why was some of this done remember split EGR coolers can cause blown motors . Onya FORD
@@JebbreysJibberish not sure exactly but I get the impression that either via LPG or natural gas they can extract hydrogen. In the end it's all $$ isn't it?
@@JebbreysJibberish Most people are angry because of the sense of entitlement he has. Why should we follow the 'rules" when others can break them and put it on youtube.. It's literally criminal.
I thought petrol engines produced more harmful emissions than diesels, with soot being the main emission from diesel. Soot making black stains on things over a period of time.
That’s what they used to think but a while back they worked out that the spot is actually really really carcinogenic and causes leukaemia and lung cancer so they kind of don’t like diesels anymore. Hence cats, dpfs, and ad blue.
@@JebbreysJibberish Who is THEY that come out with this stuff? - the same people that came out with the Global Warming - oops they changed it to Climate Change because the planet has actually been COOLING for decades. The same people that are hiding the FACT that all ICE vehicles can run on tanks of WATER with a splitter in the engine compartment to split the hydrogen from the water with only the rest of the water as as waste coming out the exhaust as water vapour or the FACT that there is Free Energy as per Nicola Tesla - Go to Dr Judy Wood's site to see how the corrupt government used Free Energy on 9/11 to turn the SEVEN buildings of the Twin Towers mostly to dust that day and her EVIDENCE that she took all the way up to the Supreme Court against the US Government and over 20 US Companies who were involved in that with total silence from the corrupt mainstream media about those court cases. There is also the FACT that it is impossible to commit suicide with diesel because these engines burn up all of the fuel and the worst you can get is a sore head from breathing these fumes in so I wouldnt trust anything that these Mafias who own and control most of this planet who are being exposed in this video here say as they have their agenda also exposed in this video that does NOT include anyone owning cars etc or driving or owning anything except them ruclips.net/video/98qv9ztkW_U/видео.html
Definitely on the way out, Germany no more diesel by 2025!! There complexity to meet emission standards has become untenable, ! If countries ban it, vehicle manufacturers will follow suit
DPF carbon up badly eg problem with Hilux Caused by 5th injector design and poor communication with customer via display . There is a thick dpf manual that is never read !!!! BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE REALLY BAD FUEL CONSUMPTION when DPF clean is operating .
Before every body jumps to electric might want to think about the open pit mines needed to obtain the preshues metals for all the electronics.And just how much land that has to be striped plus all the ground water contamination that happens.
Reliability went downhill after ODB1. Realistically i would not buy a post-04~ car, i have an ODB2A beater and its still easy enough to bypass the computer, anything after that your screwed when your knock sensor goes out. Like those things even needed a knock sensor, run it for years now in on the bypass maps after i hacked the temp to never warm up so it wouldnt CEL anymore and restirct me to 3 gears. WHat good is a car that WONT CRANK when a $10 sensor installed for a rainy day bad fuel situation causes your beater to be written off? WHAT good is that for the ENVIRONEMNT?? Basically `90's was when automotive reach its pinnicle, they had mastered the carby and the computer helped make them more powerful, but not enough to get in your way. That said, i also own a 1hz based desiel pre-computer mid-90s. 380 on the clock and not even run in yet, no blow buy, added a turbo, so i get fuel econonomy and reliability and mixed with new tech and no governer. No EGR, NO DFP, just good ole reliable mechanically injected 4wd that can get me anywhere and can be FLOODED to the sills and still get you home after you let her dry out! To all those EGR/DFP guys out there think about it for a second when i say that after 300k my exhaust manifold has less soot then your 20k old intake manifold!! History has shown us that every manfacturer of 00's every car was GAMING EMISSIONS systems with custom computer code that detected tests in progress and reduced emissions so these devices are literly SNAKE OIL that does nothing for the environment but support a cottage industry of scammers preying on the poor folks who own these things! Bring on the 300k comparision test, good work calling this out jibberish dude
We can thank euro 4, 5 and 6 standards for this BS. ICE powered vehicles will eventually be so choked up and so expensive to run, we'll all be forced to buy electric....That's the plan!
Get rid of EGR the monkeys that thought that one up jebus should be shot. Sure it will lower Nox levels but fails to consider that the loud pedal will be used more to make the same power as if it wasn't there.
I agree, we can't keep throwing cars away. In 5 years i reckon you will only be able to buy electric and we'll have recharge at every servo and general store, coles, woollies and bunnings. What I reckon we should be asking for loudly is EV conversion kits by the manufacturers. The body, interior and undercarriage of your 2017 4x4 is damn close to perfect at 10 or 15 years of age. A few rubbers and bushings a bearing here and there and its new - but these new diesels will be cactus and the only sensible thing is an EV conversion kit with a stonking big battery and an electric motor or two engineered to fit the existing platform. Pull the diesel, transmission, diffs, centre diff, fuel tanks, exhaust and shove in the conversion kit. Mounts to existing mount points, plugs into the existing ECU... I reckon Ford, Toyota, Mitsubishi et al, all have the engineering know-how to put such a kit together though maybe not the business nous to realise that they can essentially make just as much from such a kit as they would from making a brand new car. In addition, they create work for their dealerships and the auto industry overall and help us keep living the dream. (I'm sure someone can up with a V8 boom box you wire in to make the noise you neanderthal types want).
I agree but here in WA people want to be able to jump in their Ute with 4 mates leave Friday night after work and drive through the night with the boat on the back to Exmouth 1300kms away. Can’t do that with electric, especially towing.
@@JebbreysJibberish We all do JJ. The day is fast approaching when this will be possible, so don't discount it because of where we are now, in Australia. Have you heard about overhead recharging for semis in Germany?
It is all BS to get rid of cars etc altogether as no one is going to be allowed to travel period - only the 15 minutes you can CYCLE from your front door - or rather the front door of the house you will be renting as you are going to own NOTHING and be happy - and back to your house - the 15 minute cities as is their UN Agenda 21/ UN Agenda 2030 agenda that all of the practice of keeping people working from home this last couple of years was part of - those that will be left that is as is exposed in this video here of these Mafias who own and control most of this planet and their agenda ruclips.net/video/98qv9ztkW_U/видео.html These are the same Mafias that are hiding the fact that there is Free Energy as per Nicola Tesla and that all ICE Vehicles can run on tanks of WATER with a splitter in the engine compartment to split the hydrogen from the rest of the water with only water vapour as the waste coming out of the exhaust as per Stanley Meyer and others - As I have said no one is going to be allowed to drive apart from these Mafias and their lackeys.
Emission standards are a perfect excuse for car makers to make every next gen engine crappier than the last one and it's been happening for decades, it used to be a big thing if your engine is blown or needs a major repair... nowadays it feels like it's as common as oil changes (case in point BMW N57, the engine made of cheese). The compromises made in the name of lower emissions and better gas mileage are the definition of planned obsolescence, the end result is you pay big money for a new car that has marginally better gas mileage but it's gonna become a piece of shit and a complete money pit 5 years down the road, meanwhile there are cars from the 90s/early 2000s that are still running like a champ and can keep running another 20 years.. and they don't cost an arm and a leg to fix. Things in the past were built to last but I guess there wasn't enough money in that... and for corporate giants there is no such thing as "enough" and as long as we keep buy their crap they're gonna keep making more of it and worse.
@@JebbreysJibberish Walking is the most obvious one ^_^ but if you actually need a car you're stuck between keeping the good old ones alive (while praying your government is not gonna bring down the hammer) and buying a new one and accepting the fact that you have to get rid of it in a couple of years. We can't deny the fact that many of us have become dependent on cars and at this point you're at the mercy of car makers and government regulation, cars are now part of this "consumer culture" as they call it... buy, throw away, rinse, repeat. It's a sad state of things but we're the ones who allowed it to happen.
The way I see it, if you can afford $90k for a new 4x4, you can afford the service costs to keep it running efficiently. If you can't afford a new 4x4, buy an old suzuki. Cheap on fuel and runs rings around any new factory 4x4.
Except there are plenty of second hand 2015 on 4bies that are not $90k and a lot of people that are buying them are hocking up all they can afford on these without realising it has a PDF or what it even is. And if we are talking about EGR’s even TD42’s had those!
@@JebbreysJibberish There are plenty for sale because no one wants them lol. Buying second hand is buying someone elses problems. My little suzuki cost total of $4k (including purchase price) and gets me out of places a Landcruiser would never get into. The only thing thats better on tracks is my 1958 Chaimberlain 9G. It runs a Perkins 4-270 original deisel, never opened and still ticking away.
Think, how do big fuels make money? Buy selling more fuel. Con the people into believing that restrictions on your engines, which as a bi-product gets worse mileage is a good thing. Remove the stuff and you can gain many miles per gallon. Over the life of the vehicle I'm sure the fuel per gallon burn rate would be far less. Now is the problem the fuel being burned or is it a particle in the exhaust gas? And I'm not even talking abt the shipping and building of the restriction items and their impact on the climate.
I deleted the EGR on my 1hdfte 79 and 1kz Prado it's not rocket science if you were chewing your own shit you'd have trouble the EPA can get fucked and start paying for the extra fuel and repairs that I'd have leaving it on. As for diesel having there day without diesel the world will stave all the tractor's are diesel you don't grow food by hand it's on hundreds of or thousands acres per farm there started off with petrol tractors and they used 4 times the fuel so they went to diesel and stopped making them .The trucks that cart the food are diesel anything that pulls weight or pulls steel though the ground to work soil diesel is by far the best option
EGR's kille modern diesel engines. And a cannot stand dpf. My truck gets better mpg then my previous gas trucks. Accept when in regen. 6.3 mpg sucks when in regen.
EGRs are the bane of diesel engines . The manufacturers should never have went the route of EGRs .
Governments made them
They are perfectly fine if people drive and service their diesel as intended.
EGRs are fine, the problem lays on the PCB valve. The soot and condensed oil mix up in the intake and form that black crust. Without the oil, it is just soot.
Manufacturers know the solution, simply adding an air/oil separator or a cheaper catch can will clean the air going to the intake.
@@operation4wheelz Thats BULLSHIT
It does help yes, but the fact is they do clog up the inlet and heads even when working as per manufactures design operations.
@@ScatManAust once and engine is up to temp there should be near no blow by and no oil should finish up in the inlet when given a good run at operating temps. It’s repeated cold starts that generally causes this issue unless there is something actually mechanically wrong. I’ve been driving my own diesels for years on end, drive them everyday endlessly at work and me nor any of my mate in my 4x4 club bother with catch cans. I don’t know a single person who’s actually had their inlet or valves clog up despite years of happy diesel use. You’ve just got a million companies telling you, you need a catch can and convincing it’s a massive issue.
Not withstanding the obvious safety issues with driving a forty year old vehicle, I'm of the opinion that early series Landrovers are the greenest vehicles out there. A large percentage of them are still on the road and although their fuel emissions aren't great I would suggest that is offset by the fact that they don't have to be recycled and re made every ten years and when they do reach the end of their life they can easily be recycled due to their high steel and aluminium content. Maybe instead of a fuel consumption sticker on the window of a new car we need a whole of life emission rating that takes into account emissions produced in manufacturing and recycling that vehicle, that way consumers could see the overall environmental impact of that vehicle, I think the results would be particularly interesting for electric vehicles especially when considering the environmental impact of recycling their batteries.
Interesting idea. A lifetime emissions sticker! Be hard to prove with new vehicles like the 300 series though as the are yet to be proven. Interesting thought bubble though.
Engineering explained did a video on this. The payback period is reasonably short. The amount of materials in a vehicle isn't significant compared to the fuel consumed. Example. 20L per 100kms. I drive 40,000 kms in one year. Car weight is 3,000kg. Fuel consumption total is 8,000 litres of 6,800kg of diesel. This isn't taking into account the fuel consumed to drill, process and transport it to the purchase location.
@@JebbreysJibberish Actually, even though the vehicle is technically "new", the tech in it is not, so it's recyclability is known, it's expected life is known, so yes, a lifetime environmental impact rating could be assessed and formulated quite easily, they won't as then they will have to admit that a 1957 Series 1 Land Rover is better for the environment that a brand new Nissan Leaf. However, given the choice for a daily driver, I'd not pick the Series 1. Lovely vehicle, but not really a daily driver... However I probably would pick a late 90's 300tdi for a daily driver with certain mods to make it more economic and a bit more torque.
If you have ever been behind a new Hilux whilst it’s doing a burn you will question the effect on the environment when the vehicle disappears from view in a mega cloud of blue smoke and stinking fumes …
How the hell is this helping the environment???
It’s a good question isn’t it!
They never do an emissions test while the vehicles are doing a burn because the truth hurts
All that smoke and fumes tells a story about the future of the combustion chambers and valves , not good
It's not, its lining a politician's pocket.
Plus all the extra diesel required for the DPF burn ...
More diesel burnt = more soot ...
It all comes out eventually
I work for an electrical distributor and our vehicle fleet are needed to go off road through paddocks and bush regularly
We have to deal with the DPF burn problems all the time …
And I can DEFINITELY confirm that they cause fires if not carefully managed
They are a pain in the A$$
Yeah I can imagine if you are working in paddocks it would be a major pain. And spinifex in the Pilbara too!
sad thing is in america most rural fire departments get exemptions for this exact reason, also our military is exempt from having these on their equipment while they are now forcing any diesel over 74hp to have it
@@cornfed123567 they’re bloody dangerous on off road vehicles being operated in long dry grass off road
A recipe for disaster !
Thank you for sharing, you asked to leave a comment. In my opinion you only need to comply with regulations in a big city like melbourne, or Sydney. Outside them places reliably is key ! The less things that can go wrong the better for reliability. Remove all the parts and trick the computer with a loop and transistor will eliminate the problems and enhancements to reliable powerful engine.
Great video mate. I believe we are at the infancy of the end of Diesel engines. I’ve got a 2020 Triton and I’ve had dpf issues at 40,000kms. If governments keep regulating to make diesel vehicles a liability to own that will speed the process up of course but for now, I’m personally over modern diesels after my experience and witnessing the fleet of hiliuxs at my work suffer the same fate.
DPF, EGR someone is making a massive kickback on the “environment” card
I'm an ex motor mechanic owner of a D23 Navara.
I plated my EGR at 15k and haven't looked back.
DPF still in place, exhaust pipe is clean and shiny inside at 115k. I've never had the DPF light on, and I only see it doing a 'burn' about once a year.
If you look after the system by driving the car the way it was mean to be used and change the oil regularly with the correct type you'll be fine.
(Assuming that you don't have car from a company who can't make a reliable system like Toyota)
Most of the rest are fine.
This is a great video..👍
Reducing the efficiency of a petrol or diesel engine is worse for the environment.
More fuel burnt = more emissions.
High efficiency is better and cleaner for the Environment.
That is my thinking but I just figured I missed something! Look I get it the nano particles in urban areas may not be that great but latest research has shown tyre wear produces more particles that are just as bad. And guess what, EVs use tyres too!!
@@JebbreysJibberish DPF burns produce even finer soot which can be absorbed/ ingested easier and stay airborne for much longer.
Emissions devices were used to kill off efficiency and reliability the dealiships love it as it means more money for them for Repair work. And loony greenies think its better so keeps them at bay.
They design vehicles to last just over the warranty then boom. New engine or transmissio Needed.. or buy a new car again.
Cars should be lasting longer not shorter with all the advancment in technology.
Engineering failure points in engines and transmission design should be made illegal.
You are not wrong but I digress when people are essentially ask to get rid of their 10year car to buy a new, more “efficient” car…. The way to reduce environmental waste is a) drive less, b) keep car running for as long as economically possible and c) reduce the desire to buy another new shiny thing for whatever justification the marketers come up with
@@aron2199 100%
Well known. The EGR is the biggest cause of injector / DPF failure in the later model 200’s.. Turn off the EGR and you mitigate major failures. Equals reliability
Yep, can confirm. Got a remap and turned the EGR off (no DPF present). 20% more torque/power, much smoother engine, 10% less fuel consumption. No problems since 235.000km/15 years, oil is always clean.
The DPF collects soot from the engine, then burns if off as.....well...soot...what's the difference? And the environmental impact to extract and produce the chemicals required to make a DPF are extraordinary. Surely manufacturing a DPF creates as much if not more emissions than the engine does(short term I guess).
Volume is not a problem for enviromentalists, It's particle size. Basiclly, the exhaust coming out has the same volume. They don't smoke because they made the smoke so fine that you can't see it. If you can't see it, it's not there.......It's the new smart
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@@russellaustin4988 🤣🤣 you're probably absolutely right.
Over here in the UK, most diesels have both EGR and DPF removed as they’re just a ball ache and cause nothing but issues. It’s weird to see such back lash as over here it’s almost expected on most diesels
That’s really interesting as it’s the’Euro’ standards that implemented all of those measures. I guess the short stop start driving over there would be hell on Dpf’s too.
I think most is an overstatement.
Good video, but there's one piece of the EGR puzzle missing - PCV oil blow-by. Modern diesel engines vent this back into the air inlet, WITHOUT effective air/oil separation. When this hits the EGR (in fact, everything in between the air inlet and the intake manifold) it destroys everything. THIS is what needs to be addressed in a modern diesel first.
I’m afraid the Diesel engines days are numbered for exactly the reasons you sate. Sad but a sign of the times. Me personally, I’m very reluctant to buy new modern diesel vehicle with all this emission trickery. In South Africa where fuel quality can still be issue (More a case of fuel storage causing the quality issue) these problems are becoming more frequent than ever before.
Once a year,remove the EGR out of the engine,clean it,put it back in,problems solved.It's a simple valve that burns exhaust gases and makes our air cleaner.
And drive more on highway over 3k rpm and your DPF will be trouble free.
I crunched some numbers when I was looking around for a new car. Ended up going with a early model 1GRFE 4.0L V6 Prado. After 50,000kms pretty happy with it, cheap servicing, reliable and quick, but the fuel economy isn't great. With standard mods I've averaged 13.7L/100 @100km/h and averaged 16.2L/100 city driving. Have had diesels before and the price for any major fuel related servicing scares me. With the success of the Y62 I can see a decent shift back towards petrol 4wds in the future. Not as good for slow speed 4wding but laying it down on the beach more than makes up for it. If anyones looking for a cheap way into the 4wd space, don't want to go the diesel route and dont commute too far, couldnt recommend a petrol prado more, nice car without these sort of headaches.
I drove a 4Runner with that motor around the USA and it was a great machine. Even better with the yanks fuel prices too 👍🤣
Or a FJ cruiser, great comment because it’s all true 👍🏼
EGR on Direct injection diesel eventually kills the engine either by filling inlet manifold with sludge or by lack of quality controls on EGR cooler is poor why ,they split/leak then likely to cause major engine damage from overheating . Happens often .
Likely the best thing he did to his truck to improve efficiency, power and the longevity of his truck.
The epa actually no longer reccomends egr as a long term solution to reducing emmisions
Egrs and dpfs… reliability is less of an issue if repairs didnt at times approach the cost of an actual engine replacement. Try doing repairs several times like that and its very easy to start considering removal. Dpf burn and egr also shorten actual engine life due to the higher temps required in the name of “efficiency” all while losing “efficiency” as it uses more diesel during regen. Its just not a very good system generally, and heaven help you after warranty is done and you start to get some miles or ks on.
My 2005 Kun26r has 450000km and never had an EGR clean. Pulled it apart and it was fine, and the vehicle has never missed a beat 🤷🏻♂️
At least you don’t have a DPF as well 👍
In short, to answer the topic of this video. People aren’t pissed off he’s removed the DPF, they’re pissed off that he boasted about it, is bringing negative light to the 4wd community and is in general just a bit of a squeezer…
Squeezer 😂 there’s an expression I haven’t heard since I was in the Army.
@@OutbackTouring Haha. Still gets used a lot these days too 🤣
MY 2010 ISUZU 4X4 300/75 CREW CAB AS DRIVING FOR MANY YEARS THAT FIND RUN OK AS TIME PUT 20,000 KM IN ONE YEAR TRAVELING WITH JOB AS DPF AND EGR SYSTEM WITH TWO TYPE INCOOL SYSTEM ON 5.2 TURBO DIESEL AND MY FUEL ABOUT 16LITE TO 1000 WITH 5500KG TRUCK AND 1400 KM RANGE TRAVEL
THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE VIDEO
Im in the US and I have 1500 ram ecodiesel. The EGR and DPF have cause major problems with the diesel engines. I currently don’t have any issues with mine but I’m debating whether to sell it or do a delete.
What motor is in the eco diesel? Is it a Cummins?
DPF and EGR are terrible for vehicle owners but supposedly good for the environment. Once your inlet gums up and starts using more fuel you are polluting more than ever!!!
Had a Alfa Romeo 159 diesel with blocked egr and dpf. Cause of problems because I don’t do high way drives. Blanked off egr and cored a 20mm hole through the dpf. No problems with said car for 60,000km until sold. No negative change to performance.
Undoubtedly a positive change in performance!
I'm in the US. The whole epa shaking down small businesses for environmental fines bothers me alot. I personally believe that I'm being more environmentally friendly by continuing to drive my car instead of buying a new one, not playing their planned obsolescence game.
Agreed!
Drive it like you stole it, no dramas. If you idle around it will clog up. Italian tune up always works.
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IMO overall emissions will be greater with DPF and EGR, You have to manufacture a DPF and ship it worldwide and they are a consumable probably more emissions IMO. EGR = cleaners, sprays chemical cleaning etc, then a new motor fabricated and shipped worldwide = more emissions. I personally cant see the so called emission "reducing" engines winning when everything is counted, as shipping is horrendously emission intensive.
with EGR delete, the emissions are just going somewhere else and all end up the environment anyway, whether you emit it while running or scrape it out of your intake, its all the same
Dpf egr both fine in my 2007 Passat 140bhp mapped to 170bhp TDI with regular oil changes every 5k and a blast down the M6 you shouldn't have any problems.😁
My '04 ZD30 Navara has the EGR blocked off. At 240,900 klm has no blowby, the oil only ever gets a dark honey colour, never needed a valve adjustment and no catch-can.
The group 4/5 Amsoil engine oil I run through it and the oil that "goes along" with the intake air has cleaned and left the internal components of the intake tract spotless 😎
I started running Amsoil 20W-50 in my Sprinter but i'm in a hot climate. What type are you using?
@@karlheinzvansteen5748 I'm using the original 10W40 and also adding 50ml per 10 litres of fuel semi synthetic 2 stroke outboard engine oil to help the fuel pump and fuel injectors.
Just because Toyota’s subpar diesel designs have issues with DPF doesn’t make them a problem. There’s so much to DPF reliability, and for a start it requires owners that understand how they operate, and how to utilise their vehicle sensibly to ensure adequate opportunity to regenerate. People have started to buy DPF turbo diesels and drive them around town with short trip after short trip, then blame the DPF when they fail. Key point is if you want diesel engines to stay around then they are part of the solution. But more importantly than that, DPFs make exhaust gases much safer for air quality. I’m sick of all the misinformation and user error leading to people complaining about the technology.
Well done mate,a very interesting topic it is a can of worm's to open.Thanks.🤔😎
Thanks Doug. I’m still on the fence. The heart says one thing the head says the other.
Ok got a degree in chemistry so do have some info. Carbon monoxide is much more toxic than carbon dioxide! The EGR recirculation ensured all carbon monoxide is burnt (yes it is a fuel) fully to carbon dioxide. There is no doubt that removal of EGR systems is bad for the environment. It's a no brainer. DPF systems collect micron sized particles "soot" which are difficult for humans to get out of their lungs and accumulate and are heavily linked to health problems including lung cancer, the periodically burn the trapped soot into carbon dioxide which is less harmful. DPF filters need to be replaced every ~ 250,000km or so. Again there is no doubt removing a DPF is bad for the environment. The problem with DPF systems is to do the Hight temp regen the car must be operating at a certain speed at a certain temperature for a certain amount of time. If not it blocks up once full and unable to do the regen. It is illegal in all states to remove the DPF if originally fitted, for the reasons I have outlined, and yes I own a DPF fitted X5 and I use a phone app and Blue tooth port to monitor the DPF and sometimes force a regen if the system is at 100% 🙄
Great Video, finally some logic getting thrown around, & yes I have the same question, since my performance upgrades & egr delete mine gets 90kms further per tank all day every day, so is it emitting more emissions or less!? Egr doesn’t stop all the emissions any way it only reduces the amount during certain operating conditions so is it really worth the reliability & premature failures it causes!?
A proper tune can minimize most of the emissions .With no egr system.
Total emissions doesn't drop with dpf and egr, it delays and changes the type emissions the vehicle puts out. A litre of fuel still burns and produces the same amount of emissions whether in an old tech engine or a new tech engine. From what I seen dpf and egr makes fuel efficiency worse. However egr delete does seem to increase engine temperatures which can shorten engine life if temps gets too high so some form of improved cooling may be needed.
I think the best way to improve emissions is to get the best fuel efficiency possible. And for engine longevity dpf and egr delete should help most engines with related/relevant tuning. Similarly removing the clutch fan seems to increase performance and fuel economy.
In the end most manufacturers make cars to meet laws and give reasonable drives, they aren't necessarily ideal for drivers. An owner could put work into their vehicles to optimise everything to their needs and end up with a vehicle with improvements in performance, efficiency and longevity, not necessarily cheap but doable
If a diesel puts off a spark through the exhaust something is seriously wrong with it diesel dosnt spark it compressed air the the point that the air reaches 200º or higher then fuel is added
Good quality catch cans can slow down the gumming up of diesels drastically, and legally, and have been around for years.
I suspect the people who have issues with DPFs clogging up are people who do tons of short runs/traffic intensive commuting, which in a modern diesel with an EGR and DPF system is bound to clog up quickly and cause issues.
Yeah except my catch can screwed my engine, blew all the seals and caused major oil leaks. And it’d been in less than 10,000kms and was regularly emptied. But it was a Ryco rc350. I did a video on it, and you can google other peoples issues too.
Fit a catch can and blank off the EGR valve, sorted.
Interesting article with good thought provoking comments/questions. Last year picked up late 15 200 with DPF. Not my first choice but that’s what I have. Had a Toyota 80kkms service and commented on the dirty exhaust……4 months later all injectors and DPF’s replaced without question under warranty. Followed that with a different shop doing the full intake clean out as I trusted them to do it properly. Will it make a difference….yes all the oily gum has gone. Will it happen again probably even though have a catch can and EGR is off. Will the DPF now be ok? I guess time will tell.
Worst part with EGR and re ingesting the crankcase ventilation causes oil gumming and therefore restriction so reducing power and economy so more fuel defeating the emissions control rationale in first place, not to mention chemicals needed to help the intake clean.
What will I do? Service as normal, good fuel, good oil, good filters, give the car a good work out every now and again, manually clean the intake every 60-80 kkms. After market air box and new filter.
For me next tune the engine and Gbox. If the DPF becomes an issue then have another chat with Toyota.
I remember years ago when I first read about DPFs being trialled in London by Toyota for their viability. The thing that stuck in my mind about it then was that the whole exercise was about reducing atmospheric emissions, namely soot, which is what we now call diesel particulates. They are one of the causes of poor air quality (think: China & India) and horrible respiratory symptoms & illnesses, including cancers. Similarly, EGRs' primary purpose is to reintroduce the nitrous oxides (NOx) from exhaust gases back into the crankcase, where (if I remember correctly) they serve to reduce oxygen concentrations and combustion temperatures, which in turn further reduces the amounts of NOx emitted ---- NOx is also a major contributor to respiratory illnesses and lung diseases.
Do I hate the (potential and very real) threat of DPF clogging and lost performance? Absolutely. I have two modern diesel vehicles with DPFs in my fleet and am constantly pulling stats from the ECU to keep on top of their general health... and it's a pain. I used to have a pre 2006 diesel vehicle with no DPF and it was a joy to look after.
BUT, smog in cities in particular, is a problem. People suffering chronic respiratory illness and dying from lung cancers is a problem. Children not knowing what breathing clean air feels like, and being more susceptible to respiratory and other illnesses, like asthma and other comorbid diseases, is a problem. I think whatever people decide to do, they have to try to factor long term human and environmental health into their equation. Not saying I love DPFs. But we need more health-viable alternatives to just removing them, along with EGRs.
It just ends up on the roadside and eventually in the water system plus when soot ect drys and the wind gets up it still ends up in the environment somehow ,,,, its like using dust suppression then 5 days of sun its back to dust and in your lungs every breath of wind.
Why? Health is killing everyone. Citties are like cattle feed lots. Maybe they can come up with a new technology so everyone can just live forever and sit and bitch about everything......kind of like today....but on a bigger scale
I think lung cancer is more from people sucking on smokes and weed then the odd diesel engines going past them.
Hydrogen will be the answer
I tend to agree. A bit of a while off yet though.
I have owned 2 Mazda BT50s and both suffered catastrophic engine failure! The first one failed after 47k kilometres and the second one failed after 33k kilometres. We used both to tow our 3tonne caravan on various trips around WA. In both cases the cause was reported to be under-fuelling by injector number 3. This caused a lean, and therefore hot, burn in cylinder 3 which melted a hole through the top of the piston and subsequently pressurised the sump and blew black engine oil in all directions. Messy! In both cases Mazda replaced the engines under warranty but after the second experience we decided to go with an Isuzu 4.5tonne truck. Yep, it’s diesel, of course, and I would much rather a petrol powered vehicle however not many options available at present.
Was than the 3.2l? I thought under fuelling and lean burns in diesels weren’t a problem, it’s running too rich that melts pistons? Or is there something different about common rails? Well I’m sure the Isuzu will do you well, those things have a great reputation!
@@JebbreysJibberish hey, not sure on that, but that was what was explained to me by the service manager of Busselton Mazda. Down in your neck of the woods.
Well I won’t talk about them but will assume I’m still correct after finding out it was them 🤣🤪 Well I’m glad it’s sorted and in the past now.
Yeah you've been lied too if that's what they said and I challenge them too back it up
He wouldn’t be the first person that’s been lied to there. Me included.😳😬🙄
While car manufacturers take the easy way out and stuff our engines, because they took the easy way out then yes the diesel is dead
I wish that RUclipsrs would stop making videos about dpfs because this kind of shit just gives coppers more ideas to check cars for dpfs. Just stop it already.
But, Ronny is full of it for making that video about Matt. He is becoming all about views and money. Shame really..
@Tony Munro well after all this publicity about it they might start... hence my post.
I disabled the egr on my focus. There is actually less smoke out of the exhaust
And in Australia if you are on the open road towing for 1000’s of km at a time the EGR isn’t doing much anyway. 🙄
I used to own a 80s truck with bypass oil filters, the oil was still clear after 5000km so I changed the oil every 10,000km. 400,000km no problems! Euro 5 has nothing thats good for your engine so change the oil & filters every 5000km! Deleting EGR you're running the risk of massive fines if you get caught! Warm them up! Run them hard, change the oil.
I think we are going to see more American trucks in Australia like the RAM and F250. This will happen as our war alliance increases trade relations and reliability of supply out of Central Asia is constrained. Our infrastructure is not ready for electric cars. More people will hold on to older 4x4 and do performance mods. That being said, Toyota has cancelled supply of the 300 series into Australia for the foreseeable future and buyers are seeing the Nissan Y62 as a viable cost effective option.
You could very well be right here.
In Saudi Arabia Toyota 200 started to have problems with DPF and EGR Saudi owners complained to Toyota. a Specialist Toyota Technician was dispatched and a removal kit was approved and fitted by Toyota. I have actually seen the part numbers for the kit. Ronny Dahl made a melodramatic storm in a tea cup video on the bloke removing the DPF etc which he was using on private property which is not illegal. When Toyota were having all the trouble with the hilux`s DPF a mining company electrical engineer put a post on Auto expert saying Toyota supplied a electronic device to bypass the DPF. He said that he had reverse engineered the device to see how it worked. Toyota supplied this because the mining company vehicles were not able to be driven and were parked up, interesting.
Yes and even though the 200’s were not included in the class action people have been getting full injector and DPF replacements free of charge from Toyota even when they are out of warranty. So obviously things aren’t great there either…
@@JebbreysJibberish Thank heavens I have a pre - DPF Landcruiser. Same as yours. Great video mate, common sense.
Yeah the more these DOF issues become public the happier I am I don’t have one! 😀👍
Totally agree once again. Modern efficient engines are great while they work as designed, when they start to fail they become lawn ornaments.
It’s sad really… it’s just so wasteful, expense aside.
@@JebbreysJibberish in my suburb I pass 2 different GU Patrols with grass growing around them.
I’m guessing they weren’t TD42’s…🤣
Yes all the emissions crap on the diesels made them unreliable. I'm just sticking with gas
I have a 21 ram 3500 and my dpf is clogged and needs to be replaced already. How is that more efficient? not even a year old ind I'm stranded for a month. Never again
Yeah that sucks man. ☹️
PPF - petrol particulate filter
These are going to be something coming in future petrol powered engines, so the issue is not just a diesel engine matter.
Some DPF vehicles have zero DPF issues. One standout example is a Jeep Commander with the 3.0 CRD motor. No issue whatsoever and exhaust tailpipe is absolutely clean even after so many years with a mix of short and long drives. This is a Mercedes OM642 engine, not the Jeep/FCA VM Motori built V6 diesel engine, just to clarify.
Except for the oil coolers mixing oil and coolant! 🤪
@@JebbreysJibberish Hehe! Haven't seen that - the only other issue actually observed was disintegrating serpentine belt, one injector seal leak, and random suspension noises on the Jeep Commander CRD.
Yeah it’s a bit of a common problem unfortunately, and to make it worse it’s down in the bottom of the V under the turbo. So a real pain to get to. But even I will admit they are a nice motor.
People really need to educate themselves on these issues. There is so much BS on the internet, and 90% of people got no idea what they are dribbling on the internet…
Hino Trucks, actually have a hybrid diesel 195 COE truck.
Interesting. Will have to look at that.
I also removed dpf and egr on my diesel
Really interesting points made in this vid. 👍
Thank you! 👍
Ive had a dpf sensor issue, dpf egr system is garbage. Limp mode stuck in 2nd gear on the way to the dealer. Its going as soon as its out of warranty.
My hilux handbook tells me to not park in long grass during dpf regeneration. Must be some sort of possibility of starting a fire.
Most dpf issues that I’ve encountered have been a knock on effect of a separate issue. People don’t fix the cause and then get pissed off with having to deal with constant dpf issues.
This is a common practice in my country, egr and dpf delete. Egr are simply blocked and dpf needs to be removed prior to take out the ceramic inside. Then the ecu is modded and done.
Emission controls are kind of a joke in my country.
I have a 100series v8 petrol Kakadu, I tow my 2.5 ton caravan with it ,when towing I get around 20ltres per 100k, depending on flat roads or hills etc. In Europe they have stopped selling diesel cars because of fuel emissions, I think diesel will be fazed out because of emissions we just have to see what happens in Australia.
I used to have a TB48 Petrol patrol but even though all the forums said I’d get 18-20 I got 25-30! 🙄
The V8 in your cruiser is one of the most reliable engines ever made in my opinion.
@@JebbreysJibberish cheers jebbreys have been told by a few people same thing as you and cheaper to service too. 👍
And if it ever does go wrong it’ll be cheaper to fix as well!
Apart from the obvious problems and expense with the DPF and EGR systems, there is in my opinion another problem with modern diesels and that is the injectors and pumps as well as the costs in labour.
Typically if there is injector and pump failure then the cost of repair will be that steep you would never recover the costs in the fuel savings by having a diesel engine in the first place.
I would bet me left nut that a modern diesel would not see through 10 years of operation or 400,000km without at least one pump and a set of injectors with normal wear n tear let alone a dose or two of bad fuel that Australia is famous for and ruining the fuel system.
Also people must realize that injectors are a normal wear n tare item like spark plugs etc and they do wear out by 80-100,000km.
That is not to say they don't go longer as they obviously do, but they wear and cause excess pollution as they are not in tolerance to keep within the emissions stds.
So I think buyers need to think seriously about purchasing a diesel vehicle. Overall long term ownership may work out much more expensive in the long run with a failure or two in comparison
to having a petrol equivalent.
Petrol engines and management systems have come an awful long way in the last ten years with regards to torque and they are much simpler which keeps reliability and costs down.
You can buy a load of petrol for the difference in the purchase cost between petrol and diesel vehicles and factor in a fuel system failure or two on the diesel then you would be miles ahead with the petrol variant.
Also there is an extremely high chance of major engine failure to factor in if and when the fuel system fails because many internal engine failures are caused by bad fuel systems.
The way of diesels now is to make smaller and smaller cubic capacity engines and pumping the living daylights out of them with a turbo or two or even more and feeding the fat to them.
Its all great while all the shiny stuff stay inside, but its like a Russian hand grenade.
You never know when its gunner go off.
ZD30SHITBOX Patrol comes to mind.
A great little engine in a small car but make it do something like a Tojo does and its just a matter of time.
Agree with everything here! Well said.
because DPFS make the scary occasional black smoke go away. it means the diesel engine is running cleaner. Can't see it. its not there..... when unnecessary equipment is more expensive than your entire engine. when it comes time to replace those parts and a 50-200 dollar delete pipe or whole exhaust kit for 1000 dollars is 1/4 the cost of replacement and makes your engine last longer going the cheaper route. its an obvious choice. more performance. more MPG.... More money in your pocket in the short term and long term.
edit * EGR system is made to make the engine have less emissions at idle........ with that being said all these emissions devices Reduce MPG drastically.... Doesn't make any sense to me how my Truck that gets 14 MPG. is more environmentally friendly than my truck that gets 29mpg.... does the same amount of work for less fuel. how is it that the newer truck is more environmentally friendly by burning more fuel to do the same exact amount of work.
9:45 Chuck a Navara on that graph when the boost control solenoid goes... Those things soot like mad!
Hate new cars - jump in them and they start dinging 37 times for fuck knows what. The focus on design over functionality annoys me, fake exhausts, how every crossover/hatchback has an ugly grey rear bumper (and the fact that they ALL look the same, they all just look and feel cheap), tiny rear window because it 'looks better' from the outside. It also makes me wonder at what point the safety features on new cars actually start impact on safety.
I agree. But those tiny rear windows are for creating less drag to save 0.02 of a l per km. Very important you know! 🤣
Great discussion.
I am of the opinion the environmental implications of replacing and servicing a EGR/DPF system and its associated factors are overtime worse than the long-term use of the vehicle over it's lifetime of use had it not been equipped with emission control systems. That being said I have IDI TD2.8 4m40 Mitsubishi 97 Delica with a mechanical fuel pump. I can't work on modern engines myself as the ability to DIY after the year 2000 becomes more cost and time prohibitive. I personally would not get a current modern diesel over petrol. I like old diesels that can run on vegetable oil.
The EGR, DPF, and SCR systems are soooo overpriced to repair or replace, and when they have issues, and ALL OF THEM WILL, it usually damages the engine, with the SEVERELY restricted exhaust causing SEVERELY high crank case pressures. Ever notice how black the engine oil gets, even the same day of changing the engine oil, the soot from the exhaust system is pumped right into the crank case!!! They're all junk!!!
I deleted all that shit off truck. It’s a must do!
Have you seen the Toyota Australia news today on their faulty dpf's ?
Yeah for the 2.8l motors? There didn’t seem to be any mention of the 1vd though?
Diesel and petrol are both on the way out. Light vehicles will be mostly bev and heavy duty and long range requirements will be hydrogen. Australia has lots of land and lots of sunshine so it's a great place to use solar to make hydrogen. It's difficult to ship around though so that adds to the cost. I reckon in a few years every farm or quarry will have its own bank of solar panels hooked up to a hydrogen generator filling a tank that you use to refuel your vehicles.
I personally always thought hydrogen had more potential than EV for 4x4 enthusiasts because it’s hard to do the Gibb towing or caravan with an EV. But the tech hasn’t seem to have been taken up by the big manufacturers due to infrastructure concerns. It’s an interesting space that’s one.
Modern diesels with egr and dpf's don't work. The supposed fuel economy savings get killed by the service and intake cleaning costs. Buy a pre dpf diesel or a petrol.
Hence why I’m still driving a 10 year old FJ cruiser.
Fuel efficiency isn't the aim of those systems. It's the reduction in NOx. These systems actually increase fuel consumption.
@@HardstylePete Yes, I meant you used to buy a diesel for fuel efficiency but the modern additions of dpf and egr render the modern diesel inefficient and unreliable. My (no dpf) 2012 hyundai i30 diesel was great. My 2016 subaru outback diesel with dpf is a nightmare.
As long as it’s not the end of the solid front axle. I’ll be cracking the shits if they ever go.
What about older turbo 90s diesels with no intercooler do you need the EGR to help cool cylinder temperatures a lot of the older 1kzte use to crackheads ?
Heads cracking on 1KZTE’s and 2ltes was because of poor alloy in the head itself and poor cooling systems. Nothing to do with EGTs. The EGR would be closed when under boost so wouldn’t aid in coming EGT temps.
hi
EGR removed 100,000km Ranger gain 10% economy or 1 ltr per 100kms
Prior to this injectors failed suspect carbon build up
Inlet Manifold was removed and clean at same km .
Why was some of this done remember split EGR coolers can cause blown motors . Onya FORD
Too hard to fix and petrol and LPG are far far cheaper. The question is is LPG going to get a second life?
Interesting question. Or will the LPG infrastructure in Australia be retrofitted into hydrogen ?
@@JebbreysJibberish not sure exactly but I get the impression that either via LPG or natural gas they can extract hydrogen. In the end it's all $$ isn't it?
So did the youtuber get in trouble? if not, then we all should do it.
🤣good point! The video was edited so that bits not in there anymore. Not sure what happened on his end…
@@JebbreysJibberish Most people are angry because of the sense of entitlement he has. Why should we follow the 'rules" when others can break them and put it on youtube.. It's literally criminal.
After 2020 october Hilux All upgrades occurred . Injector and housing ,, dash display upgraded ,,, better owners manual .
If manufacturers would pull their head out of EV ass they would realize electronic valved camless motors is the way to go for economy and power.
I thought petrol engines produced more harmful emissions than diesels, with soot being the main emission from diesel. Soot making black stains on things over a period of time.
That’s what they used to think but a while back they worked out that the spot is actually really really carcinogenic and causes leukaemia and lung cancer so they kind of don’t like diesels anymore. Hence cats, dpfs, and ad blue.
Thank you for shedding more light on this. Makes more sense as to why we have these devices.
I think there is some merit to what people are saying about regional people having exemptions though.
@@JebbreysJibberish Who is THEY that come out with this stuff? - the same people that came out with the Global Warming - oops they changed it to Climate Change because the planet has actually been COOLING for decades. The same people that are hiding the FACT that all ICE vehicles can run on tanks of WATER with a splitter in the engine compartment to split the hydrogen from the water with only the rest of the water as as waste coming out the exhaust as water vapour or the FACT that there is Free Energy as per Nicola Tesla - Go to Dr Judy Wood's site to see how the corrupt government used Free Energy on 9/11 to turn the SEVEN buildings of the Twin Towers mostly to dust that day and her EVIDENCE that she took all the way up to the Supreme Court against the US Government and over 20 US Companies who were involved in that with total silence from the corrupt mainstream media about those court cases. There is also the FACT that it is impossible to commit suicide with diesel because these engines burn up all of the fuel and the worst you can get is a sore head from breathing these fumes in so I wouldnt trust anything that these Mafias who own and control most of this planet who are being exposed in this video here say as they have their agenda also exposed in this video that does NOT include anyone owning cars etc or driving or owning anything except them ruclips.net/video/98qv9ztkW_U/видео.html
@@JebbreysJibberish what about the living under Mascots airports flight path and the black soot from fuel all over everything sure thats safe.
Definitely on the way out, Germany no more diesel by 2025!! There complexity to meet emission standards has become untenable, ! If countries ban it, vehicle manufacturers will follow suit
Makes me wonder what we will do in places like Australia. There is no way I can tow 3tonne 1000kms on a day with an current EV…
DPF carbon up badly eg problem with Hilux Caused by 5th injector design and poor communication with customer via display . There is a thick dpf manual that is never read !!!!
BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE REALLY BAD FUEL CONSUMPTION when DPF clean is operating .
Before every body jumps to electric might want to think about the open pit mines needed to obtain the preshues metals for all the electronics.And just how much land that has to be striped plus all the ground water contamination that happens.
Reliability went downhill after ODB1. Realistically i would not buy a post-04~ car, i have an ODB2A beater and its still easy enough to bypass the computer, anything after that your screwed when your knock sensor goes out. Like those things even needed a knock sensor, run it for years now in on the bypass maps after i hacked the temp to never warm up so it wouldnt CEL anymore and restirct me to 3 gears. WHat good is a car that WONT CRANK when a $10 sensor installed for a rainy day bad fuel situation causes your beater to be written off? WHAT good is that for the ENVIRONEMNT??
Basically `90's was when automotive reach its pinnicle, they had mastered the carby and the computer helped make them more powerful, but not enough to get in your way. That said, i also own a 1hz based desiel pre-computer mid-90s. 380 on the clock and not even run in yet, no blow buy, added a turbo, so i get fuel econonomy and reliability and mixed with new tech and no governer. No EGR, NO DFP, just good ole reliable mechanically injected 4wd that can get me anywhere and can be FLOODED to the sills and still get you home after you let her dry out!
To all those EGR/DFP guys out there think about it for a second when i say that after 300k my exhaust manifold has less soot then your 20k old intake manifold!! History has shown us that every manfacturer of 00's every car was GAMING EMISSIONS systems with custom computer code that detected tests in progress and reduced emissions so these devices are literly SNAKE OIL that does nothing for the environment but support a cottage industry of scammers preying on the poor folks who own these things! Bring on the 300k comparision test, good work calling this out jibberish dude
People sooking about EGR's and DPF, me thinking my td42 needs another 1/4 turn on the soot screw.
🤣 and A high reading Pyro!
@@JebbreysJibberish 😂
diesels are dead to me ,the price of diesel compared to petrol and the cost of oil and filters are much more than the equivalent petrol motor 4wd
vw did nothing wrong.
I thought I read somewhere that they produced more power for less fuel with their tunes so I’m inclined to think you might be right!
We can thank euro 4, 5 and 6 standards for this BS. ICE powered vehicles will eventually be so choked up and so expensive to run, we'll all be forced to buy electric....That's the plan!
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Spent over 7k on this B.S def system, it's a money thing.
Bring back the 75 series diesel ute.
Get rid of EGR the monkeys that thought that one up jebus should be shot. Sure it will lower Nox levels but fails to consider that the loud pedal will be used more to make the same power as if it wasn't there.
Hybrid Hilux ,,nope why water and moisture issues for endless wiring issues. 4x4 once wet will be an easy write off by insurance companies .
ummm duh... that is the first thing you do when you drive your new vehicle off the dealer lot!
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I agree, we can't keep throwing cars away. In 5 years i reckon you will only be able to buy electric and we'll have recharge at every servo and general store, coles, woollies and bunnings. What I reckon we should be asking for loudly is EV conversion kits by the manufacturers.
The body, interior and undercarriage of your 2017 4x4 is damn close to perfect at 10 or 15 years of age. A few rubbers and bushings a bearing here and there and its new - but these new diesels will be cactus and the only sensible thing is an EV conversion kit with a stonking big battery and an electric motor or two engineered to fit the existing platform.
Pull the diesel, transmission, diffs, centre diff, fuel tanks, exhaust and shove in the conversion kit. Mounts to existing mount points, plugs into the existing ECU...
I reckon Ford, Toyota, Mitsubishi et al, all have the engineering know-how to put such a kit together though maybe not the business nous to realise that they can essentially make just as much from such a kit as they would from making a brand new car. In addition, they create work for their dealerships and the auto industry overall and help us keep living the dream. (I'm sure someone can up with a V8 boom box you wire in to make the noise you neanderthal types want).
I agree but here in WA people want to be able to jump in their Ute with 4 mates leave Friday night after work and drive through the night with the boat on the back to Exmouth 1300kms away. Can’t do that with electric, especially towing.
@@JebbreysJibberish We all do JJ. The day is fast approaching when this will be possible, so don't discount it because of where we are now, in Australia. Have you heard about overhead recharging for semis in Germany?
It is all BS to get rid of cars etc altogether as no one is going to be allowed to travel period - only the 15 minutes you can CYCLE from your front door - or rather the front door of the house you will be renting as you are going to own NOTHING and be happy - and back to your house - the 15 minute cities as is their UN Agenda 21/ UN Agenda 2030 agenda that all of the practice of keeping people working from home this last couple of years was part of - those that will be left that is as is exposed in this video here of these Mafias who own and control most of this planet and their agenda ruclips.net/video/98qv9ztkW_U/видео.html These are the same Mafias that are hiding the fact that there is Free Energy as per Nicola Tesla and that all ICE Vehicles can run on tanks of WATER with a splitter in the engine compartment to split the hydrogen from the rest of the water with only water vapour as the waste coming out of the exhaust as per Stanley Meyer and others - As I have said no one is going to be allowed to drive apart from these Mafias and their lackeys.
Emission standards are a perfect excuse for car makers to make every next gen engine crappier than the last one and it's been happening for decades, it used to be a big thing if your engine is blown or needs a major repair... nowadays it feels like it's as common as oil changes (case in point BMW N57, the engine made of cheese). The compromises made in the name of lower emissions and better gas mileage are the definition of planned obsolescence, the end result is you pay big money for a new car that has marginally better gas mileage but it's gonna become a piece of shit and a complete money pit 5 years down the road, meanwhile there are cars from the 90s/early 2000s that are still running like a champ and can keep running another 20 years.. and they don't cost an arm and a leg to fix. Things in the past were built to last but I guess there wasn't enough money in that... and for corporate giants there is no such thing as "enough" and as long as we keep buy their crap they're gonna keep making more of it and worse.
Sad but true I think. But what are the alternatives?
@@JebbreysJibberish Walking is the most obvious one ^_^ but if you actually need a car you're stuck between keeping the good old ones alive (while praying your government is not gonna bring down the hammer) and buying a new one and accepting the fact that you have to get rid of it in a couple of years. We can't deny the fact that many of us have become dependent on cars and at this point you're at the mercy of car makers and government regulation, cars are now part of this "consumer culture" as they call it... buy, throw away, rinse, repeat. It's a sad state of things but we're the ones who allowed it to happen.
So glad I live close to work and use the escooter as the daily. That way the 200 is just for odd jobs and fun.
The way I see it, if you can afford $90k for a new 4x4, you can afford the service costs to keep it running efficiently.
If you can't afford a new 4x4, buy an old suzuki. Cheap on fuel and runs rings around any new factory 4x4.
Except there are plenty of second hand 2015 on 4bies that are not $90k and a lot of people that are buying them are hocking up all they can afford on these without realising it has a PDF or what it even is. And if we are talking about EGR’s even TD42’s had those!
@@JebbreysJibberish There are plenty for sale because no one wants them lol. Buying second hand is buying someone elses problems.
My little suzuki cost total of $4k (including purchase price) and gets me out of places a Landcruiser would never get into.
The only thing thats better on tracks is my 1958 Chaimberlain 9G. It runs a Perkins 4-270 original deisel, never opened and still ticking away.
I personally can't wait for diesel to be phased out. Nothing but drama
Think, how do big fuels make money? Buy selling more fuel. Con the people into believing that restrictions on your engines, which as a bi-product gets worse mileage is a good thing. Remove the stuff and you can gain many miles per gallon. Over the life of the vehicle I'm sure the fuel per gallon burn rate would be far less. Now is the problem the fuel being burned or is it a particle in the exhaust gas? And I'm not even talking abt the shipping and building of the restriction items and their impact on the climate.
I deleted the EGR on my 1hdfte 79 and 1kz Prado it's not rocket science if you were chewing your own shit you'd have trouble the EPA can get fucked and start paying for the extra fuel and repairs that I'd have leaving it on. As for diesel having there day without diesel the world will stave all the tractor's are diesel you don't grow food by hand it's on hundreds of or thousands acres per farm there started off with petrol tractors and they used 4 times the fuel so they went to diesel and stopped making them .The trucks that cart the food are diesel anything that pulls weight or pulls steel though the ground to work soil diesel is by far the best option
EGR's kille modern diesel engines. And a cannot stand dpf. My truck gets better mpg then my previous gas trucks. Accept when in regen. 6.3 mpg sucks when in regen.
It’s crazy much extra they use in a regen!