@@pavel9652 My ass. most cars run perfectly fine on standard gasoline and good flowing catalitic converters ( up to 400cpsi for example ). Also lead fouls all the engine
I work on commercial and Agricultural vehicles and i'll be honest. DPF's play up so much, either the re-gen faults or the DPF just gets blocked and plugged. They are a real pain and the worst thing is they are expensive AF. I can see why some remove them because it's one less headache. Yea i know emissions is important.. but i feel like things have too many components that fail nowadays that vehicles have become throw away items.
Agreed. It's interesting that the self righteous approach is thou mustn't do this it's evil, but in the next breath all cop to owning a pre-16 vehicle so they don't have one fitted! Their veh emits the same crap but they sleep better believing they're not part of a problem if you buy into the climate/ air quality argument. By all means I'm onside with informing those that don't know they're breaking the law but if there are people chopping bits off their stock vehicle without giving that a thought, they probably shouldn't be driving 😁
Emissions is the biggest no no but how many cars all over the world are blasting up and down motorways trying to regen their DPFs. Mine regened in a supermarket last week and people were running for cover as the smoke was horrendous. Surely this isn't great for the environment either
@@MrGrasshorn my mechanic suggested I drive a lot more miles per week as its not healthy for the dpf. I asked is this the dpf that's cleaning the nasty particles from the air but I've got to spend more on fuel and increase my drive load or my dpf will fail?? Baffling beyond belief
The systems are more junk forced on the people costing us thousands each. My 2018 Newmar coach has 40,000 miles and I already had to replace the def header. it went into engine stop 5 mph limp mode and I was stranded. good thing I'm a tech. So answer me this one. If you can physically verify the DEF level in the tank with a stick and can buy a $25 DEF quality tester, then why, the engine stop 5mph !@%$#^& limp mode stranding you? Simple answer, so you have to take it to the shop and spend megabucks, that's why! I bought a scanner and a header and replaced it myself. And why not separate the level and quality sensor so you don't have to change the Whole $1000 thing? Greedy corporations piss me off!
Soot will kill you slow, hell what won't. 🙄🙄🙄 . Here in Texas Even commercial trucks have removed DPF .All Diesel emissions on engines do significantly reduce engine life, power, reliability, reduce fuel economy, clutter up engine compartment, add weight. I have a diesel ram that i gutted all that BS out, best thing i ever did it's a whole different pick up,I use it mostly for work but its a race horse as well .
Life-long maintenance tech here. 16 years automotive, heavy truck, and equipment, diesel generators, and 16 years A&P (jets and turbo-props). So I know a couple of things. removing the DPF and the SCR is a great idea, Just don't tell anyone. the guy's only mistake was getting on RUclips and telling everyone which is to say, "screw you come and get me". these systems are counterproductive since they reduce your fuel mileage by nearly 25%, (at least my coach) are unreliable, and are expensive to maintain. That's why repair shops love them $$$. I have an ISL9 Cummins in a motorhome and the emissions repairs are breaking the bank. Here in America, I would not recommend a delete to a trucker as they are regularly inspected, but I am not, so they'd never know unless I bragged about it. just keep your mouth shut. A better cheaper and more efficient solution would have been to go diesel electric like a locomotive with an energy recovery battery system doubling the fuel mileage of the heavy trucks, thereby reducing emissions. So the logical question is, if we are so worried about emissions, why didn't we go that route. Money, money, money, money,,, money (like the song)! I'm tired of getting screwed by the corps and making them rich. It's a sham! besides when laws are stupid, which includes most but not all environmental laws, ignore them. Oh, and BTW. CO2 is not a pollutant!!! without it, we'd all be dead. Just my opinion so take it for what it is worth to you.
Hi Ronny, very good info I have dealt with these regs for 43 years. People thought i was being picky however when you have an expensive vehicle and you have it modified so that it is no longer safe or legal and then you find the insurers will not pay when something happens, may not be your fault, don’t blame someone else for what you have done to your vehicle. Love your channel Ronny. Bravo from Victoria Australia
I just want to say this, Matter can change form through physical and chemical changes, but through any of these changes matter is conserved. The same amount of matter exists before and after the change-none is created or destroyed. Meaning the soot inside the DPF doesn't just disappear during regeneration, it changes form from soot particles into ash particles.. This ash is also a lot lighter than soot meaning it'll travel further than soot once airborne. What are the most harmful airborne particles? UFPs are the most dangerous particulate matter because their tiny size makes them extremely inhalable. They are less than 0.1 microns in diameter and make up roughly 90% of all airborne particles. Now which is worse? Soot you can see or ash that you can't? Just because you can't see microwaves, ultraviolet waves doesn't mean they aren't harmful..
Absolutely, and it remains in the atmosphere longer, just like volcanic ash. It's just a stupid and expensive system that doesn't accomplish anything except to make corporate people rich. The people who mandated and designed this crap know this and lobby the government to enforce it. They need to stop calling congresspersons and senators "representatives". They don't represent us. Most are bought and paid for by corporate interests. they get in there with a $1000 to their name, and come out millionaires after a few years. Well, we aren't paying them that kind of money, so they are getting it elsewhere. We need to get corporations out of the government, first thing! Then slap the EPA upside the head for choking the economy!
Ronnie you're one of the few Aussie 4WDing channels I'll watch because of your common sense and level-headed style. There's too many that are just hoons and yobbos sending the wrong message.
Also add in there: DPFs often aren't well designed for city driving. DPFs can clog up, put your vehicle into limp mode and require replacement from as little as 80,000km in the case of the car I had. Are very expensive to replace. Over $2,000 every 3 years is absolutely BS. Required to use additional fuel to create that burn cycle. Required in some vehicles to "have to" go for a minimum 30 minute drive a week at 100km or so for it to do it's burn cycle, and if that's not in your needed routine, then that's a lot of carbon. The system is stupid. But that's it
It's not just stupid, it's a scam forced on us by the manufacturer and enforced by the government $$$. And they don't work in the far north of Alaska whatsoever. You can't keep the system thawed out and it codes continually. It is like the thing was designed by toy manufacturers. Non-functional.
It’s good to see this video. I just run old school now td42 had 2 newer dpf and common rail cars both blew up around 180 thousand (ranger, navara) always serviced etc at 5000kms still didn’t handle things. Back to the old td 300 thousand and going strong. Think in new vehicle petrol is the go over the diesel common rail worse luck. Great videos good build. Was fencing with a bloke had a dual cab cruiser and it was doing a burn as we fenced was not just the dpf out the back of the exhaust while it sat high idled and did it’s burn caught the leaves on fire.
I took mine out. RUNS GREAT 👍 I recommend you take yours out too.. IF tour are fined. DONT PAY IT.! WEVE GOT TO HAVE CITIZEN'S START TO STAND UP FOR OURSELVES ! - or else- we get what we deserve- CONTROL
Don't pay the Fine and your Registration and Licence will end up being cancelled AND you will end up going to Court over a simple to fix issue . So , BAD advice there , Buddy .
If we're making the point about illegal modifications, the Hilux as modified was illegal in Western Australia and if it was running 285 70 17 (you mentioned 33s) then it's also illegal in all states. Western Australia has a lmit on vehicle lifts of 50mm, so you can't do a 2 inch lift and run anything except stock tyre size. But a 285 70 17 is also an illegal tyres tyres for most 4wds as they are 56mm over stock size and the lmit in all states is 50mm. The Hilux is also running an illegal amount of spot lights. In Western Australia the limit is 4 and the Hilux was running 8. So these mods make the Hilux illegal and unroadworthy. Going forward, you should both remove these videos talking about illegal mods as there's too much misinformation and contradiction.
The difference is stating the fact to check for legality’s and not suggesting it’s a great thing without pointing that out. Also I made a follow up video saying that 33’s were not great for many reasons, maybe you missed that one. Also treps are not legal but they are okay tyres not my driving tyres. Thought I’d point that out before you reply with that one
@@Ronny_Dahl I did see the the HILUX MODIFICATION REGRETS video but there's no mention of legality, only fuel usage, rolling resistance and low range performance. Look, everyone does it, the same with cars over GVM and tow rigs over GCM. I'm just saying I wouldn't make a video talking about illegal mods as it just raises the profile of the entire 4wd community with the authorities. Just because a mod is illegal doesn't make it unsafe. A 75mm lift is legal in QLD, NSW and Vic, so either they are all wrong (even though VSB14 of the ADRs states it's legal) or WA is over governed. A GCM upgrade pre rego is legal in WA but the same car and suspension fitted post rego is illegal - same car and mods but the red tape separates them. Maybe what's needed here is a video covering all the rules and regs so youtube viewers have a better understanding of what they can and can not do.
@@thang55 These guys are being paid for and authorities are using their platform to relay the message and along the way these content makers forget a lot of aspects in their contents, hence the hypocrisy disguised as a contradictory. lol. As you notice, all these influencers have videos about DPF removals. Let me fill you in on something, Military removed all the emission things in their vehicles. That says a lot ey.
Maybe in the off-roading world the main reason to remove the DPF is for a V8 sound but for the rest of us sound is the least important reason. The most important reason is not having something that could potentially go wrong at anytime and then having an expensive fix or to have a DPF clean. 2nd reason I would say is to let the engine breath easier and to gain more power. I really don't think the environmental impact of a small percentage of owners removing them is that much of a concern. There's much more of an impact from other things such as air travel, fossil fuel power stations and things such as cargo ships etc. Electric/hydrogen vehicles are gonna be main stream pretty soon so it's just totally a none issue, especially considering the small percentage of owners that do it at the moment
Thanks for adding important, relevant facts into our community. They will cascade into discussions and make a difference. That's all you can do. Decent people with a brain will understand and do the right thing. The few who don't get it are beyond reason and help.
Thanks for posting the video Ronny! Such a relevant subject. And what i love about your vids is you research the topic and present facts as to the best of your knowledge... And you have us the general public in mind. Thanks again and keep up the good work with bith these videos and your travel vids.
@@darrenhale6320 maybe i mis understand what your saying. But Rohny mentioned it in this, and many other videos, how he stuffed up. So I know Ronny has owned he mistake. And I'm ok with that. I know many others in the world who don't, or wont. But from what I see of Ronny on youtube he is one who owns his stuff ups.
Its not a matter of if he'll get done, its when... and with him on a trip to the Cape currently, the chances of him getting caught are high. Also the chances of getting the full amount of the fine are high too, for both him and the shop who did it
I'd be very careful about insurance. Even if it DOES say that it'll cover vehicles with a DPF-delete there's probably some other caveat (such as, perhaps, requiring that a vehicle adheres to all current construction & use laws) which they could use to avoid liability.
Sorry mate, but while I fully agree with the content of this video and am a big fan of your channel, this sounds like a perfect example of "someone preaching water, but drinking wine". You explicitly state that you don't want to own a car from 2016 (or later) because, amongst others, you like the V8 sound and power without DPF. Yet you make a big issue about the environmental / health consequences of doing away with the DPF in a post-2016 car. Do you honestly believe that the two pre-2016 cars you own are less polluting because you're legally allowed to run them without DPF?
This video? ruclips.net/video/aHHWbEVS41c/видео.html Why does he have a moustache??? It's 2022. Also, he needs to stop yelling at the camera! Is he deaf?!
@@dalep-i4844 when you make a video about it and it gets 100,000 views you sorta gotta expect it to happen, especially when the guy isn’t exactly super likeable
Good. The worst people I've come across camping and off road always seem to have built not bought or explore life stickers on their car. I can't help but think they've had a horrible influence on the sort of things people get up to with their cars. These people are going to ruin the fun for the people who do the right thing when places inevitably start getting closed.
Toyota identified the potential for grass fires under 70 Series Land Cruisers a couple of years ago. As a result they recalled affected vehicles and fitted a heat shield to the DPF which should negate the risk of grass fire due to a DPF burn.
Could be some smart advertising by said youtuber. While they said they removed the old DPF they didn't say they didnt replace it... guess we will eventually find out! Either way - solid video Ronny! Its a good educate the 4WD community
Worst thing about all of this is it once again shows influencers are just in it for clicks, Explore life really should have known better I don’t know the bloke but to me he looked at views are more important than legality’s.
From an engineer to an influencer, people don't remove their DPF for noise and power, it's removed for reliability and general engine health. DPF's increase EGT's, and change how consistently the engine runs (depending on how blocked the DPF is at the time). They also go wrong as hell, and put your car in limp mode. I'd be interested to see how much of these "prevented emissions" are spat out during a burn though. Same stuff as EGR, but more harmful to the car in my opinion. Are the emissions saved really ofsetting the need for a rebuild in certain situations?
It’s 99% problematic those EGRS and DPFS. As you said causes the car to go into limp mode but can be as bad as hydro locking an engine as the EGR cooling problem on the P5AT. Majority will think people do it for the noise but don’t know the real problems it causes.
100% if the government want to constantly introduce these ridiculous emissions laws that over the long term have very little positive impact on emissions then it should not be at cost to the consumer or the reliability of the product/vehicle! Dpfs are a joke, just like egr has proven to be. Unfortunately if the consumer wishes to take care of their vehicle and remove it they currently assume all risks associated.
My worry is being out in the woods and after I pack up to head home my vehicle goes into limp mode. Hopefully no river crossings or mud between you and home
From an engineer to an engineer your reliability claims are spurious at best. Sure there were issues with initial roll outs ie the 2.8 Toyota but those have all been addressed and there are seemingly no problems 2020 onwards. They are also very effective (some claims >90%), as they are oxidating the carbon into CO2. Besides all of that there is still the ethics of the whole thing; how much damage to the public is worth a tiny boost in performance and potential reliability gains? Taking them out will just accelerate the death of diesel as regulators crack down.
Bien dit Ronny bien que je ne vive pas en Australie et que je suive vos video depuis deux ans maintenant j’apprecie vraiment votre travail et je ne cache pas que j’ai baucoup appris avec vous merci encore et bonne continuation
Thanks again Ronny for your common sense advice and honesty especially the roof rack issue - there is no way I would drill roof holes in my new 60k plus 4WD or any other car for that matter and noted your RUclips colleague In NSW with his Navara having the same issue - I bought a pre-DPF 2010 Hilux Auto Diesel two and a half years ago from interstate VIC after months of research on the best brand for reliability and advice regarding too many technical systems to go wrong leaving you stranded in the remote outback - have always loved the Troopy concept.
So glad I watched this while driving a Euro 3 Mercedes E Class with a 3.2 i6 Turbo Diesel. Not a DPF, cat or even more strangely any black smoke in sight and passes the UK MOT emissions test with flying colours and with very low readings year after year. DPF industry couldn't be possibly be a scam....
In the past 2 years, I was informed by a fellow FF that some DFES vehicles fitted with DPF had issues with limp mode activation on fire grounds due to extended periods of idling and low speed operations, cant confirm however told one brigade with a 1.4 light truck appliance had the DPF deactivated (either temporarily or permanently ) on safety grounds, by the manufacturer of the truck whilst a permanent solution was found. I have one fitted to my NX Pajero, no plans to remove it, Provent CC fitted.
The main problem is money and complexity. I'm not interested in removing my dpf because I change vehicles every 3-4 years. Never had any problem whatsoever with dpf/adblue. However, I can imagine how problematic it can be owning an older vehicle with dpf because it's expensive as hell to replace parts associated with it. We are beta testers for this technology. If the dpf system was bulletproof no one would care.
@@jo_clarke1960 Does that really matter when they often malfunction and clog up if not driven in a certain way? When dpf came it's lifespan was short resulting in costly replacements. In modern vehicles SCR is very often a part of DPF which makes things even worse. The latest report I read was that volvos had trouble in cold weather resulting in calling a tow truck in worst case. They then got "fixed" at the dealer but broke down again a few weeks later.
That’s a good point and i do so as well. The daily driver (not a 4x4) has to hit all the environmental things to drive legally to cities. But to avoid expensive repairs it has to go after 3 years. And for my leisure cars i prefer older cars or bikes without all this stuff, because i want to keep then long without very expensive repairs. unfortunately my Defender has also a DPF but no rust at all - :D
beside restricting the sound of your vehicle and limiting your performance there is also the cost of replacement, if manufactures didn't charge thousands for replacement dpf then people wouldn't bother removing them.
It’s all going to come crashing down for the guys deleting dpf’s and hiding behind the excuse that cops don’t know what they’re looking for and warranty will only be voided on that specific part. I have a feeling that explore life and just autos will be the example set by the EPA.
Interesting Video. In South Africa most out-of-warrenty bakkies (Utes) have their EGR Cooler deleted/blanked off, together with their Catalytic Converter (aka Cat) removed. Our Utes does not have DPFs, nor are we forced to comply with emmision regulations. We benefit from removing the EGR cooler + deCat with a prolonged engine and turbo life.
You’ve only got to look at the diesel brothers in the states who were also making videos regularly about the tuning of diesel vehicles and obviously removing emissions control’s. They coped the fine. $1.2m AUD
By removing your DPF you’re actually also helping ensure not just your vehicle but all other diesels get completely banned sooner. Australia might be behind the curve when it comes to emissions standards by they will catch up. Without a DPF your vehicle will emit between 10x and 100x more of those really nasty particles that kill people. So when they are measuring levels around towns and cities, your vehicle will raise levels much higher than necessary and therefore require measures like some cities around the world have implemented to get levels down - banning diesels.
e.g. if you drive a Euro 5 or lower diesel car (as Ronnie mentions has only recently been adopted in Australia) in London you are up for at least a £250 fine per day (£500 if not paid within 14 days). Trucks and other larger vehicles are in the £1000’s
This is probably the best way to put this if you're trying to get to the "eff the EPA (or whatever agency in your local gov)" crowd, cause they likely won't care about the much more immediate risks unfortunately.
Good stuff Ronny, this stuff is well worth highlighting, lots of hero builds (particularly on RUclips) with dpf removed which the average punter will think is fine. I'm with you, your fourby ain't a racecar, so no need to chase crazy power, sure a tasty bump is handy for towing etc, but all easily done while staying compliant 👍
And this just reinforces why Ronny is my primary source of info. His advice has always remained no-BS. He hasn’t succumbed to the allure of sponsorship, influencer-wank and chasing insane (and unreliable) power from the 70 series. As much as I appreciate the other guy’s channel, and cinematography… he is peddling, and massively bias, due to sponsorship. Doesn’t stop me watching it… but take everything he says with a massive grain of salt.
Just remember your primary source of info had to do a whole vid on roof racks last year because he didn’t understand the load ratings etc. you need more than one source and should check any “ RUclips” experts advice !
@@darrenhale6320 he was humble enough to make that video. Will we see that type of humility/explanation/back-pedal from the other crew? I get your point and you took my comment too literally - I take responsibility for what I do to my car.
Figure it would be prudent of me to add that fines and unroadworthy also apply to the removal of any emission systems (ie cat converters) and can lend you in the same situation. Also the Toyota issues around the dpf seem mainly centred around it being a new system, we’ve had the systems on euro cars for 15+ years now and some brands struggle with issues in the early days but very rare to have major issues with them these days.
That's not the main reason that people want to get rid of DPF's. People want to get rid of DPF's because when they clog up they fail and cost thousands and thousands of dollars to replace and Toyota in my experience as a dealer who specialised in 4x4's and commercials seem to be one of the worst. DPF's only burn off when sitting at highway speeds so if you're not regularly on the highway, you're more likely to clog up then other drivers. I've seen DPF's go on vehicles with less than 3000k's on them and they aren't covered under warranty. Some vehicles have a manual Burn off mode in the ecu but its not guaranteed to work every time.
Yes the ADR that applies Euro 5 emissions regs is in force for vehicles produced after 1st November 2016, so what about vehicles produced prior to this date that have a DPF?
The regeneration systems are ridiculous it hurts the trucking industry, not to mention it's so flawed trucks just fuck up all the time because of it thousands of dollars wasted on these regenerations systems
How much does a DPF system cost if clogged, needs to be scrapped and the regen no longer burns off? 1-5k? Oops mb I googled it(Replacing a DPF can easily cost $4000 to $8000, and sometimes more, it's a big cost… particularly when a vehicle is out of warranty! Mar 20, 2019) $6500 for what,? this is only on here because the EPA decided oh no the earth, do you realize the global warming and climate change they preach about, the temperature has changed 1.7 deg since 1880? 1980 I think was when EPA was founded and there has been no difference made at all before and after their founding. Why, because a dpf gets deleted, that's hilarious. Emissions are nothing but 7k that they can turn profit on every vehicle that has one.
If you tune a dpf vehicle you need to know what you do, you need a very clean and good tune similar to the stock programming in terms of soot output which is more complicated. So it's just laziness. If you watch at it with international travel in mind it gets a bit different. Dpf and egr systems require the highest fuel quality and lowest Sulphur in the fuel which is not available everywhere at every time. For us it's illegal and there is no way around keeping dpf and egr, we just have to deal with it.
I respect your contribution here as a influencer. last I checked, Explore Life is not responding to their viewers comments and concerns. It seems they think they are smarter than us! I guess its all click bait and just a fun fiction video. How is Just Auto’s managing their risks of Explore Life’s mods?
People leave the DPF in so you have to burn more diesel to do the same job and create more soot that eventually comes out in 1 big dump from the DPF anyway. The high EGT are a great excuse to keep having to replace cooked turbos. The EGR is great way to add soot straight back into your engine intake to create a grinding paste to degrade the oil and wear out the motor 10 times faster so you need to buy another motor after 5 years of general use. The EGR cooler is a great device for blowing up engines too dealships love them..easy money. The greenies should put DPFs and EGR's on their private jets and private luxury boats. DPF's and EGR's are just GREAT for engines..... and having to burn more diesel is great for the environment.🤯
this came out the best time as i was in the proccess of removing my dpf on my Audi a4 lol i use it for town driving mainly and just wanted to be one less thing to go wrong , instead I've opted for a OBD2 tool than does manual dpf regeneration. Thanks Ronny for saving me some potential big fines
Completely agree. A lot of us commented on said video, telling him to take it down, edit it out at least. To no avail. Hopefully he comes to his senses.
There were a number of questionable mods in the video you refer to. Both the DPF removal and the catch can removal as well. What wasn't explained was that the EGR was also turned off (another illegal emmissons mod) and it's the combination of the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) and the oil vapour from the CGR (Crankcase Gas Recirculation) that plugs up the inlet manifold with soot. Catch cans should be one of the first engine mods for any diesel that has EGR and CGR, DPF or not!
@@SimonElenor fitting a catch can while the egr is still active does not reduce the soot build up in the engine, as no catch can on the market stops 100% of the oil vapors, it always let's some oil vapor through.
It is wrong to say ALL DPF filters potentially can cause grass fires. The DPF filter on an Isuzu D-Max and MUX is next to the exhaust manifold in the engine bay, nowhere near the bottom of the vehicle. A DPF filter works much more efficiently in the heat next to the engine than as part of the exhaust where it is constantly cooled by the passing air. When DPF's became mandatory, Isuzu re-engineered the vehicle whereas it appears all others took the cheap way out and just added it into the exhaust.
Thats the real problem. Cheap and nasty design and manufacturing to rush through compliance. Not the DPFs themselves. Car manufacturers as a whole have shown they dont give a flying turd about emissions, they'll only do the bare minimum when legislation twists their arm.
Can you change your DPF for a different type like how people change mufflers for hiflow. Seems like they removed it on the video but did they refit a better quality one.
The biggest temptation for removing a DPF was the insane replacement cost. This is no longer a concern. The tuning shop I have spoken to and likely all tuning shops now can offer DPF cleaning, and legal, higher flow aftermarket DPF's. Neither of these break the bank. As Ronny points out, the single biggest disadvantage of a DPF is it mutes engine sound. I learnt this the day I had my muffler replaced with straight pipe. You need a damn good ear to hear the difference. Given the significant gains I can get in power and torque with the factory DPF and existing straight through exhaust, why remove it? Go higher flow DPF, and larger diameter exhaust takes tuning to a level of power and torque that I don't need.
The only high flow available is for the 79 series, so what are you talking about. If you have a straight through system then you've removed your CAT which is just as illegal.
@@seanflanigan4508 not talking about the DPF, following the DPF is a catalytic converter, you said you had a DPF and straight pipe, what happened to the converter?
But how moral is to drive a non DPF vehicle from factory as long as you can choose one with DPF, money no problem for you. Driving a non DPF vehicle from factory does not gives in atmosphere dangerous particles and you, very aware about that have no remorses? You consider it moral and normal.
EGR + DPF = bad. Remove them if you own your vehicle outright. change oil 6,000kms, use a high quality fuel detergent and lubricant and go from there. Since EGR+DPF gone from cars I've seen fuel economy is better. Pick which is better for the environment....
I've been told, that the mileage on my 2018 ISL9 will increase by at least 20%. Mine with DPF is getting 8-9mpg. The older non-DPF L series is getting 12mpg. And with the new electronically controlled systems, the fuel system won't add fuel until the turbo spools up reducing the soot anyway.
Why all this retuning, EGR deletes, DPF deletes, over weight, don't get it, 4x4 not WRX ! I'm happy with 105, with turbo (engineered)safe tune, GVM upgrade, and just cruise along. P.S pre EGR/DPF, next car will have DPF/EGR. so what. Great Video Ronny.
Well the mazda 5 sport I had with a clogged up dpf nearly knackered the engine - whipped it out, re map, ran better and cheaper. Volvo D30 no dpf runs fine ..... Planned obselence is real so we have to keep buying more ....
dpf&egr deletes increase power by 8%~ in euro 5 cars, also a good reason is for people who make frequent short journeys, in this case the DPF has no chance at self regeneration.
With Around 3ltrs /100kms xtra fuel usage with DPF. . Removal of DPF with all parts needed 1000$ and up is common . Toyota DPF issues prior to sept 2020 were common and mine sites had exemptions . Oct on Hilux has major upgrades that do work but use alot of fuel .The factory dpf burn is extensive
It's cost me 1000s having two transits blocking up and getting the dpfs gutted. It's easy to say don't do this don't do that but having vehicles pre DPFs. A bit hypocritical
Few years ago I watched a short documentary on a French channel… two Swiss scientists did some research on the DPF…their conclusion: a diesel without DPF pollute on a 50 meters range around the car, the particles are big enough so the lungs can filter them … a diesel engine with DPF, when the DPF is doing the regeneration ,pollutes on a 200-250 meters range and the particles are so small that the lungs cannot filter… does someone make the difference between the smell of a diesel without DPF and the smell when the DPF when regenerating?
Hot tip, take the exhaust off split the dpf can down the seams and smash out the core, weld it back up then get it re coated, aluminium coating!, drive through a mud puddle and no one will ever know 😉
Those looking to do this mod probably don't care about the legalities and their insurance fine print. They're probably already driving around with 5 inch lifts, body mount chops and 37 tyres without an ounce of engineering.
Hey Ronnie, great vid. I’ve had a number of sports cars and a couple of late model diesels go over the pits (vehicle inspections) over the years and have known plenty of people that have done the same for various reasons (yellow stickers, getting engineered mods etc). From my non scientific observations you can get away with a lot of mods including “illegal” wheels and lifts. But the moment you remove catalytic converters, mess with dpfs or vent anything to atmosphere (like a blow off valve or waste-gate ) it has been an instant fail (meaning the car is not roadworthy) which lines up with your message. It May be worth doing a video on the process of how to get your mods certified by an engineer and then going in for inspection and then advising your insurance etc (hey you could even do a dpf delete and see what happens). Cheers - by the way, having watched the video in question, I'm not fully convinced they deleted the DPF without replacing it - either way they could have done a better job making that clear to avoid this situation.
Good points and I'll probably get flack for this but didn't they say they had replaced it with something of there own because the back of the og one was melted. its hard to hear in vid and short.
OK, you said that emissions are a really big deal, but you said yourself "I won't buy a vehicle fitted with a DPF". That means you're driving two vehicles that both produce diesel particulate which enters the lungs and the blood stream. So what's worse, removing a DPF or choose to drive a diesel vehicle without a DPF? Seems like they both produce the same amount of emissions. Just on DPF, there's two facts you neglected to mention. 1. A DPF makes a vehicle less fuel efficient, by up to 2l/100km. So DPF vehicles burn more fuel (to do the same job) and produce more emissions. 2. The question should be asked, where to all those emissions no go? Answer: into the DPF, until it's full, then the car is overfueled to cause the DPF to heat up and burn that soot and convert it into....Carbon Monoxide, the greenhouse gas.
Are turbo backs illegal on road here in WA? I’m confused. Pretty new to the 4wd game and trying to decide whether to upgrade dpf or turbo back for my navara 2019. Thanks Ronny!
You can compare pre and post DPF models. Pre models on paper claim 11.5L/100 combined, post models claim 10.7L/100. In real life scenarios - there'd be nothing in it really
Good job Ronnie! If the manufacturers were to relocate the DPF to a higher spot on the vehicle, they could be proactive in stopping bushfires worldwide. However most goverments are pushing for full electric vehicles to eliminate our outdoor hobbies. Although some manufacturers like jeep are trying to build an electric offroad vehicle, they are far ftom having the driving mileage equal to diesel or petrol. I cant fathom trying to do an electrical repair on a trail like the Canning Stock Route. The DPF only provides extreeme heat while it is in regen mode so it can burn off the soot it has collected. Most diesels create the most soot while at lower RPMs, and this sends the DPF into regen more often causing concern for brushfires while overlanding.Caterpillar engines here in the USA could meet the particulate matter reduction without using a DPF, but could not get the certification because the law required the engines to have a DPF. So as Ronnie stated dont be an Id10t removing any item the manufacturer had to install, you WILL get fined.
Most new diesels will only do a DPF burn off at highway speed for half an hour. Its not based on rpm and its mostly likely a safety feature built into the software so not to start grass fires.
@@PhilipMakowski I’m not necessarily saying the government’s but some of these extreme green types.I had a conversation with a girl from work once where I mentioned the limitations of EV’s for off road touring, her response was that no one should be going off road a damaging the bush anyway
4x4 24-7 deleted one on a BT50 a couple of years ago with the help of a well known "tuner" AND they took it out on the road for a test drive . I didnt see this NEW video in question or who it was, but how is it any different from the afore mentioned 4x4'r doing it just to get youtube video visits ?
Just wondering, did you contact the person or business in question to find out exactly what was done to his car? Or are you and everybody else assuming what has been done?
Yeah but just wondering if he put a high flow dpf back in and didn’t say it. If Ronny knows him quite well, I wonder if Ronny spoke to him about it or is just going off the video too.
There are only two possible scenarios: - he actually did delete it for whatever reason, and he deserves all this negative press - he replaced it, implied it was deleted for the likes and yewww factor on the socials and set a pretty bad example For sure, one of those scenarios is worse than the other - but there’s no scenario where he’s not a complete flog
I'm a bit confused due to Ronny explicitly saying in previous videos that he specifically looked for pre 2016 70 series Land Cruisers. (No DPF from factory). I get that Australia's lae is very uptight with vehicle modifications. But I'm not so sure about the message being sent.
Message being sent is either leave the fact that the DPF was removed off the internet or if you discuss it simply inform your followers that they need to check legality in their state or territory. That’s it! Simple as that. Without that detail it send the wrong message to the community. Look after your viewers/followers because without them a RUclips channel is nothing
I’m not from Australia. Does a remote control exhaust valve count as modifications that will void the warranty? I know it might be a silly question. But what do you think of it?
I live in a country with poor Transportation regulations, and any of the facts mentioned apply. My question is, Will the DPS deletion, affect in negative way the performance of the car?
I couldn't believe it when I watched old mate's video about his DPF delete, not to mention the workshop's admission about performing the work. I thought I may have missed something in the video whereby they added a disclaimer about the vehicle being only used on private land, which would negate all liability. Both the guys in the video have rocks in their head. Cheers
I watched it again and thinking he replaced the old one and didn’t delete. All he said was he removed the old DPF.. maybe missing that he replaced with a new one?
Aside from legal stuff,removing DPF is 100% beneficial to a car/truck.
Running on leaded gasoline was also 100% beneficial to the engine.
@@pavel9652 My ass.
most cars run perfectly fine on standard gasoline and good flowing catalitic converters ( up to 400cpsi for example ).
Also lead fouls all the engine
@@dimmacommunication Do you acknowledge that lead was added to gasoline at some point to make the engines run better?
@@pavel9652 it was used as anti knock agent, so what ?
Nowadays engines don't need it.
@@dimmacommunication Just provided an analogy for a technology or solution that made engines run better but had undesired side effects.
I work on commercial and Agricultural vehicles and i'll be honest. DPF's play up so much, either the re-gen faults or the DPF just gets blocked and plugged. They are a real pain and the worst thing is they are expensive AF. I can see why some remove them because it's one less headache.
Yea i know emissions is important.. but i feel like things have too many components that fail nowadays that vehicles have become throw away items.
Agreed. It's interesting that the self righteous approach is thou mustn't do this it's evil, but in the next breath all cop to owning a pre-16 vehicle so they don't have one fitted! Their veh emits the same crap but they sleep better believing they're not part of a problem if you buy into the climate/ air quality argument. By all means I'm onside with informing those that don't know they're breaking the law but if there are people chopping bits off their stock vehicle without giving that a thought, they probably shouldn't be driving 😁
Same here, What genius decided to put a dpf on a combine that works for 4or 5 weeks a year at 30 degrees to 40 degrees Celsius.............
Emissions is the biggest no no but how many cars all over the world are blasting up and down motorways trying to regen their DPFs. Mine regened in a supermarket last week and people were running for cover as the smoke was horrendous. Surely this isn't great for the environment either
@@MrGrasshorn my mechanic suggested I drive a lot more miles per week as its not healthy for the dpf. I asked is this the dpf that's cleaning the nasty particles from the air but I've got to spend more on fuel and increase my drive load or my dpf will fail?? Baffling beyond belief
The systems are more junk forced on the people costing us thousands each. My 2018 Newmar coach has 40,000 miles and I already had to replace the def header. it went into engine stop 5 mph limp mode and I was stranded. good thing I'm a tech. So answer me this one. If you can physically verify the DEF level in the tank with a stick and can buy a $25 DEF quality tester, then why, the engine stop 5mph !@%$#^& limp mode stranding you? Simple answer, so you have to take it to the shop and spend megabucks, that's why! I bought a scanner and a header and replaced it myself. And why not separate the level and quality sensor so you don't have to change the Whole $1000 thing? Greedy corporations piss me off!
Soot will kill you slow, hell what won't. 🙄🙄🙄 . Here in Texas Even commercial trucks have removed DPF .All Diesel emissions on engines do significantly reduce engine life, power, reliability, reduce fuel economy, clutter up engine compartment, add weight. I have a diesel ram that i gutted all that BS out, best thing i ever did it's a whole different pick up,I use it mostly for work but its a race horse as well .
Life-long maintenance tech here. 16 years automotive, heavy truck, and equipment, diesel generators, and 16 years A&P (jets and turbo-props). So I know a couple of things. removing the DPF and the SCR is a great idea, Just don't tell anyone. the guy's only mistake was getting on RUclips and telling everyone which is to say, "screw you come and get me". these systems are counterproductive since they reduce your fuel mileage by nearly 25%, (at least my coach) are unreliable, and are expensive to maintain. That's why repair shops love them $$$. I have an ISL9 Cummins in a motorhome and the emissions repairs are breaking the bank. Here in America, I would not recommend a delete to a trucker as they are regularly inspected, but I am not, so they'd never know unless I bragged about it. just keep your mouth shut. A better cheaper and more efficient solution would have been to go diesel electric like a locomotive with an energy recovery battery system doubling the fuel mileage of the heavy trucks, thereby reducing emissions. So the logical question is, if we are so worried about emissions, why didn't we go that route. Money, money, money, money,,, money (like the song)! I'm tired of getting screwed by the corps and making them rich. It's a sham! besides when laws are stupid, which includes most but not all environmental laws, ignore them. Oh, and BTW. CO2 is not a pollutant!!! without it, we'd all be dead. Just my opinion so take it for what it is worth to you.
Well said 😊
Hi Ronny, very good info I have dealt with these regs for 43 years. People thought i was being picky however when you have an expensive vehicle and you have it modified so that it is no longer safe or legal and then you find the insurers will not pay when something happens, may not be your fault, don’t blame someone else for what you have done to your vehicle. Love your channel Ronny. Bravo from Victoria Australia
I just want to say this, Matter can change form through physical and chemical changes, but through any of these changes matter is conserved. The same amount of matter exists before and after the change-none is created or destroyed. Meaning the soot inside the DPF doesn't just disappear during regeneration, it changes form from soot particles into ash particles.. This ash is also a lot lighter than soot meaning it'll travel further than soot once airborne. What are the most harmful airborne particles? UFPs are the most dangerous particulate matter because their tiny size makes them extremely inhalable. They are less than 0.1 microns in diameter and make up roughly 90% of all airborne particles. Now which is worse? Soot you can see or ash that you can't? Just because you can't see microwaves, ultraviolet waves doesn't mean they aren't harmful..
Absolutely, and it remains in the atmosphere longer, just like volcanic ash. It's just a stupid and expensive system that doesn't accomplish anything except to make corporate people rich. The people who mandated and designed this crap know this and lobby the government to enforce it. They need to stop calling congresspersons and senators "representatives". They don't represent us. Most are bought and paid for by corporate interests. they get in there with a $1000 to their name, and come out millionaires after a few years. Well, we aren't paying them that kind of money, so they are getting it elsewhere. We need to get corporations out of the government, first thing! Then slap the EPA upside the head for choking the economy!
Ronnie you're one of the few Aussie 4WDing channels I'll watch because of your common sense and level-headed style. There's too many that are just hoons and yobbos sending the wrong message.
Also add in there:
DPFs often aren't well designed for city driving.
DPFs can clog up, put your vehicle into limp mode and require replacement from as little as 80,000km in the case of the car I had.
Are very expensive to replace. Over $2,000 every 3 years is absolutely BS.
Required to use additional fuel to create that burn cycle.
Required in some vehicles to "have to" go for a minimum 30 minute drive a week at 100km or so for it to do it's burn cycle, and if that's not in your needed routine, then that's a lot of carbon.
The system is stupid. But that's it
So, you are not a fan Nathan???
I see some indians video clean dpf by take the dpf and give solvent to dilute the soot particles
It's not just stupid, it's a scam forced on us by the manufacturer and enforced by the government $$$. And they don't work in the far north of Alaska whatsoever. You can't keep the system thawed out and it codes continually. It is like the thing was designed by toy manufacturers. Non-functional.
Yeah this wasn't the Ronny Dahl video I was hoping for this Sunday morning BUT I feel it's well timed and needed to be said.
It’s good to see this video.
I just run old school now td42 had 2 newer dpf and common rail cars both blew up around 180 thousand (ranger, navara)
always serviced etc at 5000kms still didn’t handle things. Back to the old td 300 thousand and going strong. Think in new vehicle petrol is the go over the diesel common rail worse luck.
Great videos good build.
Was fencing with a bloke had a dual cab cruiser and it was doing a burn as we fenced was not just the dpf out the back of the exhaust while it sat high idled and did it’s burn caught the leaves on fire.
I took mine out.
RUNS GREAT 👍
I recommend you take yours out too..
IF tour are fined. DONT PAY IT.!
WEVE GOT TO HAVE CITIZEN'S START TO STAND UP FOR OURSELVES ! - or else- we get what we deserve- CONTROL
Don't pay the Fine and your Registration and Licence will end up being cancelled AND
you will end up going to Court over a simple to fix issue . So , BAD advice there , Buddy .
I will take out mine too as soon as I can.
@johncunningham4820 bull shit. Your acting like a coward
If we're making the point about illegal modifications, the Hilux as modified was illegal in Western Australia and if it was running 285 70 17 (you mentioned 33s) then it's also illegal in all states.
Western Australia has a lmit on vehicle lifts of 50mm, so you can't do a 2 inch lift and run anything except stock tyre size. But a 285 70 17 is also an illegal tyres tyres for most 4wds as they are 56mm over stock size and the lmit in all states is 50mm.
The Hilux is also running an illegal amount of spot lights. In Western Australia the limit is 4 and the Hilux was running 8.
So these mods make the Hilux illegal and unroadworthy.
Going forward, you should both remove these videos talking about illegal mods as there's too much misinformation and contradiction.
The difference is stating the fact to check for legality’s and not suggesting it’s a great thing without pointing that out.
Also I made a follow up video saying that 33’s were not great for many reasons, maybe you missed that one.
Also treps are not legal but they are okay tyres not my driving tyres. Thought I’d point that out before you reply with that one
@@Ronny_Dahl I did see the the HILUX MODIFICATION REGRETS video but there's no mention of legality, only fuel usage, rolling resistance and low range performance.
Look, everyone does it, the same with cars over GVM and tow rigs over GCM.
I'm just saying I wouldn't make a video talking about illegal mods as it just raises the profile of the entire 4wd community with the authorities.
Just because a mod is illegal doesn't make it unsafe. A 75mm lift is legal in QLD, NSW and Vic, so either they are all wrong (even though VSB14 of the ADRs states it's legal) or WA is over governed.
A GCM upgrade pre rego is legal in WA but the same car and suspension fitted post rego is illegal - same car and mods but the red tape separates them.
Maybe what's needed here is a video covering all the rules and regs so youtube viewers have a better understanding of what they can and can not do.
Spot on, hypocritical and they’re far more likely to reject an insurance claim for oversized tyres than a dpf delete.
Was going to mention about tyres. In nsw I think the newer gxl 79series is the only one that can run 35" tyres. Older model no, workmate no.
@@thang55 These guys are being paid for and authorities are using their platform to relay the message and along the way these content makers forget a lot of aspects in their contents, hence the hypocrisy disguised as a contradictory. lol. As you notice, all these influencers have videos about DPF removals. Let me fill you in on something, Military removed all the emission things in their vehicles. That says a lot ey.
Maybe in the off-roading world the main reason to remove the DPF is for a V8 sound but for the rest of us sound is the least important reason. The most important reason is not having something that could potentially go wrong at anytime and then having an expensive fix or to have a DPF clean. 2nd reason I would say is to let the engine breath easier and to gain more power. I really don't think the environmental impact of a small percentage of owners removing them is that much of a concern. There's much more of an impact from other things such as air travel, fossil fuel power stations and things such as cargo ships etc. Electric/hydrogen vehicles are gonna be main stream pretty soon so it's just totally a none issue, especially considering the small percentage of owners that do it at the moment
Good Work Fella!!!! I saw that episode in question and thought at the time the mechanic (who is well respected) has put himself in strife.
Thanks for adding important, relevant facts into our community. They will cascade into discussions and make a difference. That's all you can do. Decent people with a brain will understand and do the right thing. The few who don't get it are beyond reason and help.
Well said, Ronny. Glad to see some content creators with a sense of responsibility!
Thanks for posting the video Ronny! Such a relevant subject. And what i love about your vids is you research the topic and present facts as to the best of your knowledge... And you have us the general public in mind. Thanks again and keep up the good work with bith these videos and your travel vids.
Hmmmm roof rack video because he got it wrong and was called out or did we forget that??
@@darrenhale6320 maybe i mis understand what your saying. But Rohny mentioned it in this, and many other videos, how he stuffed up. So I know Ronny has owned he mistake. And I'm ok with that. I know many others in the world who don't, or wont. But from what I see of Ronny on youtube he is one who owns his stuff ups.
“It’s a 4wd, not a race car”. Backed. 100%.
Yeah no, easier to take it out. No effort at all and problem free, other than the risk of a fine
I saw a bumper sticker on a Landcruiser once which said ‘your car can go fast but my car can go anywhere’
👍👍👍
Its not a matter of if he'll get done, its when... and with him on a trip to the Cape currently, the chances of him getting caught are high. Also the chances of getting the full amount of the fine are high too, for both him and the shop who did it
Haha I reckon Just Autos with get absolutely hammered for this
@@louisferdinand5776 :)))) Whoops!
the explore life?
@@louisferdinand5776 I hope so. They support flogs and if they are willing to do it and say it's good they have no care
Someone is going to be made an example of to try and stop this being done, it might as well be these two.
I'd be very careful about insurance.
Even if it DOES say that it'll cover vehicles with a DPF-delete there's probably some other caveat (such as, perhaps, requiring that a vehicle adheres to all current construction & use laws) which they could use to avoid liability.
Well, I'm sure the GLK diesel I want to purchase will be covered,,,,
Sorry mate, but while I fully agree with the content of this video and am a big fan of your channel, this sounds like a perfect example of "someone preaching water, but drinking wine". You explicitly state that you don't want to own a car from 2016 (or later) because, amongst others, you like the V8 sound and power without DPF. Yet you make a big issue about the environmental / health consequences of doing away with the DPF in a post-2016 car. Do you honestly believe that the two pre-2016 cars you own are less polluting because you're legally allowed to run them without DPF?
YUP !
Sad shilling Ronny. You known polluter. Think of your kids and what you are knowingly doing to their lungs. Shameful hypocrite
he is just stating legalities and how to keep money in your pocket, he didn't say he was trying to save the planet.
Your comment is spot on. The first thing I thought of when I saw the title was he has always toted pre DPF 70 s because they sound better.
you've totally missed the point of what Ronny is saying.
And for those that didn’t know, it was Matt from explore life who posted up the video. And the EPA and TMR are now investigating
This video? ruclips.net/video/aHHWbEVS41c/видео.html Why does he have a moustache??? It's 2022. Also, he needs to stop yelling at the camera! Is he deaf?!
Geezes that was quick
Someone probably snitched.
@@dalep-i4844 when you make a video about it and it gets 100,000 views you sorta gotta expect it to happen, especially when the guy isn’t exactly super likeable
Good. The worst people I've come across camping and off road always seem to have built not bought or explore life stickers on their car. I can't help but think they've had a horrible influence on the sort of things people get up to with their cars. These people are going to ruin the fun for the people who do the right thing when places inevitably start getting closed.
Toyota identified the potential for grass fires under 70 Series Land Cruisers a couple of years ago. As a result they recalled affected vehicles and fitted a heat shield to the DPF which should negate the risk of grass fire due to a DPF burn.
Could be some smart advertising by said youtuber. While they said they removed the old DPF they didn't say they didnt replace it... guess we will eventually find out!
Either way - solid video Ronny! Its a good educate the 4WD community
Worst thing about all of this is it once again shows influencers are just in it for clicks, Explore life really should have known better I don’t know the bloke but to me he looked at views are more important than legality’s.
I bet 250k will be more important than clicks
He’s just a game changer bloke. Best you tuber in the business…. So he thinks.
Highly doubt your car is 100% legal mate. And if it is. Don't bag people that I'm sure you would love to be in there shoes doing what his doing.
From an engineer to an influencer, people don't remove their DPF for noise and power, it's removed for reliability and general engine health. DPF's increase EGT's, and change how consistently the engine runs (depending on how blocked the DPF is at the time). They also go wrong as hell, and put your car in limp mode. I'd be interested to see how much of these "prevented emissions" are spat out during a burn though.
Same stuff as EGR, but more harmful to the car in my opinion. Are the emissions saved really ofsetting the need for a rebuild in certain situations?
It’s 99% problematic those EGRS and DPFS. As you said causes the car to go into limp mode but can be as bad as hydro locking an engine as the EGR cooling problem on the P5AT. Majority will think people do it for the noise but don’t know the real problems it causes.
100% if the government want to constantly introduce these ridiculous emissions laws that over the long term have very little positive impact on emissions then it should not be at cost to the consumer or the reliability of the product/vehicle! Dpfs are a joke, just like egr has proven to be. Unfortunately if the consumer wishes to take care of their vehicle and remove it they currently assume all risks associated.
My worry is being out in the woods and after I pack up to head home my vehicle goes into limp mode. Hopefully no river crossings or mud between you and home
From an engineer to an engineer your reliability claims are spurious at best. Sure there were issues with initial roll outs ie the 2.8 Toyota but those have all been addressed and there are seemingly no problems 2020 onwards. They are also very effective (some claims >90%), as they are oxidating the carbon into CO2. Besides all of that there is still the ethics of the whole thing; how much damage to the public is worth a tiny boost in performance and potential reliability gains? Taking them out will just accelerate the death of diesel as regulators crack down.
@@jimmy123-w4h you literally just debunked your own argument in a single sentence
Bien dit Ronny bien que je ne vive pas en Australie et que je suive vos video depuis deux ans maintenant j’apprecie vraiment votre travail et je ne cache pas que j’ai baucoup appris avec vous merci encore et bonne continuation
Yes, definitely.
Thanks again Ronny for your common sense advice and honesty especially the roof rack issue - there is no way I would drill roof holes in my new 60k plus 4WD or any other car for that matter and noted your RUclips colleague In NSW with his Navara having the same issue - I bought a pre-DPF 2010 Hilux Auto Diesel two and a half years ago from interstate VIC after months of research on the best brand for reliability and advice regarding too many technical systems to go wrong leaving you stranded in the remote outback - have always loved the Troopy concept.
So glad I watched this while driving a Euro 3 Mercedes E Class with a 3.2 i6 Turbo Diesel. Not a DPF, cat or even more strangely any black smoke in sight and passes the UK MOT emissions test with flying colours and with very low readings year after year. DPF industry couldn't be possibly be a scam....
In the past 2 years, I was informed by a fellow FF that some DFES vehicles fitted with DPF had issues with limp mode activation on fire grounds due to extended periods of idling and low speed operations, cant confirm however told one brigade with a 1.4 light truck appliance had the DPF deactivated (either temporarily or permanently ) on safety grounds, by the manufacturer of the truck whilst a permanent solution was found. I have one fitted to my NX Pajero, no plans to remove it, Provent CC fitted.
The main problem is money and complexity.
I'm not interested in removing my dpf because I change vehicles every 3-4 years. Never had any problem whatsoever with dpf/adblue.
However, I can imagine how problematic it can be owning an older vehicle with dpf because it's expensive as hell to replace parts associated with it.
We are beta testers for this technology. If the dpf system was bulletproof no one would care.
Yes, that's what I've seen. The exhaust has a servicing issue and the issue is then removed.
You're not the "Tester's for this technology", DPF's have been a legal requirement in Europe since '09.
@@jo_clarke1960 Does that really matter when they often malfunction and clog up if not driven in a certain way?
When dpf came it's lifespan was short resulting in costly replacements.
In modern vehicles SCR is very often a part of DPF which makes things even worse.
The latest report I read was that volvos had trouble in cold weather resulting in calling a tow truck in worst case.
They then got "fixed" at the dealer but broke down again a few weeks later.
@@jo_clarke1960 ah yes and 79 series is sold in europe?
That’s a good point and i do so as well. The daily driver (not a 4x4) has to hit all the environmental things to drive legally to cities. But to avoid expensive repairs it has to go after 3 years. And for my leisure cars i prefer older cars or bikes without all this stuff, because i want to keep then long without very expensive repairs. unfortunately my Defender has also a DPF but no rust at all - :D
beside restricting the sound of your vehicle and limiting your performance there is also the cost of replacement, if manufactures didn't charge thousands for replacement dpf then people wouldn't bother removing them.
What’s the bet that there is another EL video coming out soon explaining “Why I put my DPF back in”. 😆
It’s all going to come crashing down for the guys deleting dpf’s and hiding behind the excuse that cops don’t know what they’re looking for and warranty will only be voided on that specific part. I have a feeling that explore life and just autos will be the example set by the EPA.
Interesting Video. In South Africa most out-of-warrenty bakkies (Utes) have their EGR Cooler deleted/blanked off, together with their Catalytic Converter (aka Cat) removed. Our Utes does not have DPFs, nor are we forced to comply with emmision regulations. We benefit from removing the EGR cooler + deCat with a prolonged engine and turbo life.
You’ve only got to look at the diesel brothers in the states who were also making videos regularly about the tuning of diesel vehicles and obviously removing emissions control’s. They coped the fine. $1.2m AUD
About time someone covered this. Thanks mate
By removing your DPF you’re actually also helping ensure not just your vehicle but all other diesels get completely banned sooner. Australia might be behind the curve when it comes to emissions standards by they will catch up. Without a DPF your vehicle will emit between 10x and 100x more of those really nasty particles that kill people. So when they are measuring levels around towns and cities, your vehicle will raise levels much higher than necessary and therefore require measures like some cities around the world have implemented to get levels down - banning diesels.
e.g. if you drive a Euro 5 or lower diesel car (as Ronnie mentions has only recently been adopted in Australia) in London you are up for at least a £250 fine per day (£500 if not paid within 14 days). Trucks and other larger vehicles are in the £1000’s
This is probably the best way to put this if you're trying to get to the "eff the EPA (or whatever agency in your local gov)" crowd, cause they likely won't care about the much more immediate risks unfortunately.
so smoke that poring out while doing dpf regeneration is good ... seriously it look like you having a BBQ at the back of your car.
@@unna1996 yep that is the DPF literally re-incinerating the diesel particulate. What a joke, creating more pollution to clean the pollution.
Good stuff Ronny, this stuff is well worth highlighting, lots of hero builds (particularly on RUclips) with dpf removed which the average punter will think is fine. I'm with you, your fourby ain't a racecar, so no need to chase crazy power, sure a tasty bump is handy for towing etc, but all easily done while staying compliant 👍
It's fuel economy
forget the power aspect, I simply want better MPG and MORE reliability & less maint costs...
And this just reinforces why Ronny is my primary source of info.
His advice has always remained no-BS. He hasn’t succumbed to the allure of sponsorship, influencer-wank and chasing insane (and unreliable) power from the 70 series.
As much as I appreciate the other guy’s channel, and cinematography… he is peddling, and massively bias, due to sponsorship. Doesn’t stop me watching it… but take everything he says with a massive grain of salt.
Who is the other guy?
@@koennelson3799 the explore life
Just remember your primary source of info had to do a whole vid on roof racks last year because he didn’t understand the load ratings etc. you need more than one source and should check any “ RUclips” experts advice !
@@darrenhale6320 he was humble enough to make that video. Will we see that type of humility/explanation/back-pedal from the other crew?
I get your point and you took my comment too literally - I take responsibility for what I do to my car.
@@darrenhale6320 yes, Ronny should not step outside of his personal experience as some of the information in these videos is wrong.
Figure it would be prudent of me to add that fines and unroadworthy also apply to the removal of any emission systems (ie cat converters) and can lend you in the same situation.
Also the Toyota issues around the dpf seem mainly centred around it being a new system, we’ve had the systems on euro cars for 15+ years now and some brands struggle with issues in the early days but very rare to have major issues with them these days.
Explore life is just creating content… “guys you wouldn’t believe what happened!” “We got, busted!” 😂
That's not the main reason that people want to get rid of DPF's. People want to get rid of DPF's because when they clog up they fail and cost thousands and thousands of dollars to replace and Toyota in my experience as a dealer who specialised in 4x4's and commercials seem to be one of the worst. DPF's only burn off when sitting at highway speeds so if you're not regularly on the highway, you're more likely to clog up then other drivers. I've seen DPF's go on vehicles with less than 3000k's on them and they aren't covered under warranty. Some vehicles have a manual Burn off mode in the ecu but its not guaranteed to work every time.
Basic $10k fine 200k max, also potential check engine light running rich shortening the engine life.
Yes the ADR that applies Euro 5 emissions regs is in force for vehicles produced after 1st November 2016, so what about vehicles produced prior to this date that have a DPF?
i was thinking that i have a 2016 bt-50 that was made in march and has a dpf not happy
I was very surprised that mechanic allowed that channel to publish that video last week.
I think it's going to end badly for just autos......
I wasn’t surprised. They turned up with a camera and rehearsed the show. They knew what they were doing
Easily get more power with DPF out and decent tune. Depends on the motor.
Good stuff Ronny. I do remember the 6x6 modified where Justin says the dpf in place as he punches clouds out the stacks😜
The regeneration systems are ridiculous it hurts the trucking industry, not to mention it's so flawed trucks just fuck up all the time because of it thousands of dollars wasted on these regenerations systems
How much does a DPF system cost if clogged, needs to be scrapped and the regen no longer burns off? 1-5k? Oops mb I googled it(Replacing a DPF can easily cost $4000 to $8000, and sometimes more, it's a big cost… particularly when a vehicle is out of warranty! Mar 20, 2019) $6500 for what,? this is only on here because the EPA decided oh no the earth, do you realize the global warming and climate change they preach about, the temperature has changed 1.7 deg since 1880? 1980 I think was when EPA was founded and there has been no difference made at all before and after their founding. Why, because a dpf gets deleted, that's hilarious. Emissions are nothing but 7k that they can turn profit on every vehicle that has one.
Fantastic timely video Ronny
If you tune a dpf vehicle you need to know what you do, you need a very clean and good tune similar to the stock programming in terms of soot output which is more complicated. So it's just laziness. If you watch at it with international travel in mind it gets a bit different. Dpf and egr systems require the highest fuel quality and lowest Sulphur in the fuel which is not available everywhere at every time. For us it's illegal and there is no way around keeping dpf and egr, we just have to deal with it.
Good work Ronny 👏 couldn't believe that other video.
I respect your contribution here as a influencer. last I checked, Explore Life is not responding to their viewers comments and concerns. It seems they think they are smarter than us! I guess its all click bait and just a fun fiction video. How is Just Auto’s managing their risks of Explore Life’s mods?
People leave the DPF in so you have to burn more diesel to do the same job and create more soot that eventually comes out in 1 big dump from the DPF anyway.
The high EGT are a great excuse to keep having to replace cooked turbos.
The EGR is great way to add soot straight back into your engine intake to create a grinding paste to degrade the oil and wear out the motor 10 times faster so you need to buy another motor after 5 years of general use.
The EGR cooler is a great device for blowing up engines too dealships love them..easy money.
The greenies should put DPFs and EGR's on their private jets and private luxury boats.
DPF's and EGR's are just GREAT for engines..... and having to burn more diesel is great for the environment.🤯
this came out the best time as i was in the proccess of removing my dpf on my Audi a4 lol i use it for town driving mainly and just wanted to be one less thing to go wrong , instead I've opted for a OBD2 tool than does manual dpf regeneration. Thanks Ronny for saving me some potential big fines
Thanks Ronny. This is definitely more important to get this message out there. Some people don't grow up and will learn the hard way. Ding Bats.
Once again Ronny provides the best advice and feedback 👍
I guess the guy didn't see DPFs as "game changing" or something he's "absolutely froffing" over 20x a vid. Does my head in.
Pretty simple don't watch it ..
@@offonadventures2078 they come up in the auto play, like listening a 30 minute commercial just rattling off a supercheap auto catalogue
Froffing
😂
What's the channel?
The exact reason I would never by a new car besides the fact working on older cars are so much more fun
"It's a 4wd not a racecar" quoted by the man himself now everyone with barra engines in their 4bies look silly 😅
Completely agree. A lot of us commented on said video, telling him to take it down, edit it out at least. To no avail. Hopefully he comes to his senses.
Does the new 2.8 70 series have a DPF? Cos Ronnie said here he wouldn’t own a car with DPF😅
Brother for DPF's to run hot to burn soot particles they need to burn more fuel than needed.
That is the only reason people get deletes in the end
There were a number of questionable mods in the video you refer to. Both the DPF removal and the catch can removal as well. What wasn't explained was that the EGR was also turned off (another illegal emmissons mod) and it's the combination of the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) and the oil vapour from the CGR (Crankcase Gas Recirculation) that plugs up the inlet manifold with soot.
Catch cans should be one of the first engine mods for any diesel that has EGR and CGR, DPF or not!
was that matt from explore life?
Catch Can benefits are debatable
@@richardwalsh5570 Go ahead and provide proof of your statement please? How does limiting the intake from ingesting excess oil a bad thing in ANY way?
@@SimonElenor fitting a catch can while the egr is still active does not reduce the soot build up in the engine, as no catch can on the market stops 100% of the oil vapors, it always let's some oil vapor through.
Anthony from prado 4wd thinks catch cans are bullshit. I agree
It is wrong to say ALL DPF filters potentially can cause grass fires. The DPF filter on an Isuzu D-Max and MUX is next to the exhaust manifold in the engine bay, nowhere near the bottom of the vehicle. A DPF filter works much more efficiently in the heat next to the engine than as part of the exhaust where it is constantly cooled by the passing air. When DPF's became mandatory, Isuzu re-engineered the vehicle whereas it appears all others took the cheap way out and just added it into the exhaust.
Thats the real problem. Cheap and nasty design and manufacturing to rush through compliance. Not the DPFs themselves. Car manufacturers as a whole have shown they dont give a flying turd about emissions, they'll only do the bare minimum when legislation twists their arm.
Can you change your DPF for a different type like how people change mufflers for hiflow. Seems like they removed it on the video but did they refit a better quality one.
The biggest temptation for removing a DPF was the insane replacement cost. This is no longer a concern. The tuning shop I have spoken to and likely all tuning shops now can offer DPF cleaning, and legal, higher flow aftermarket DPF's. Neither of these break the bank.
As Ronny points out, the single biggest disadvantage of a DPF is it mutes engine sound.
I learnt this the day I had my muffler replaced with straight pipe. You need a damn good ear to hear the difference. Given the significant gains I can get in power and torque with the factory DPF and existing straight through exhaust, why remove it? Go higher flow DPF, and larger diameter exhaust takes tuning to a level of power and torque that I don't need.
The only high flow available is for the 79 series, so what are you talking about. If you have a straight through system then you've removed your CAT which is just as illegal.
@@thang55 I said I removed the muffler, not the DPF.
@@seanflanigan4508 not talking about the DPF, following the DPF is a catalytic converter, you said you had a DPF and straight pipe, what happened to the converter?
But how moral is to drive a non DPF vehicle from factory as long as you can choose one with DPF, money no problem for you.
Driving a non DPF vehicle from factory does not gives in atmosphere dangerous particles and you, very aware about that have no remorses? You consider it moral and normal.
EGR + DPF = bad. Remove them if you own your vehicle outright. change oil 6,000kms, use a high quality fuel detergent and lubricant and go from there. Since EGR+DPF gone from cars I've seen fuel economy is better. Pick which is better for the environment....
I've been told, that the mileage on my 2018 ISL9 will increase by at least 20%. Mine with DPF is getting 8-9mpg. The older non-DPF L series is getting 12mpg. And with the new electronically controlled systems, the fuel system won't add fuel until the turbo spools up reducing the soot anyway.
Why all this retuning, EGR deletes, DPF deletes, over weight, don't get it, 4x4 not WRX ! I'm happy with 105, with turbo (engineered)safe tune, GVM upgrade, and just cruise along. P.S pre EGR/DPF, next car will have DPF/EGR. so what. Great Video Ronny.
Well the mazda 5 sport I had with a clogged up dpf nearly knackered the engine - whipped it out, re map, ran better and cheaper.
Volvo D30 no dpf runs fine ..... Planned obselence is real so we have to keep buying more ....
And it ran illegally.
Dpf is there for health.
If you take it out n put it back in would it work better?
dpf&egr deletes increase power by 8%~ in euro 5 cars, also a good reason is for people who make frequent short journeys, in this case the DPF has no chance at self regeneration.
With Around 3ltrs /100kms xtra fuel usage with DPF. . Removal of DPF with all parts needed 1000$ and up is common .
Toyota DPF issues prior to sept 2020 were common and mine sites had exemptions . Oct on Hilux has major upgrades that do work but use alot of fuel .The factory dpf burn is extensive
I think I’ve missed something. They don’t say anything about deleting it. They just say it’s an old one and in with a new exhaust system? Tf?
It's cost me 1000s having two transits blocking up and getting the dpfs gutted. It's easy to say don't do this don't do that but having vehicles pre DPFs. A bit hypocritical
Few years ago I watched a short documentary on a French channel… two Swiss scientists did some research on the DPF…their conclusion: a diesel without DPF pollute on a 50 meters range around the car, the particles are big enough so the lungs can filter them … a diesel engine with DPF, when the DPF is doing the regeneration ,pollutes on a 200-250 meters range and the particles are so small that the lungs cannot filter… does someone make the difference between the smell of a diesel without DPF and the smell when the DPF when regenerating?
You mention that 2016 these laws were introduced, does that mean that a 2015 vehicle if fitted with a DPF is able to have it removed legally?
Good work putting that together.
Although I fear we have a RUclips war coming.
Hot tip, take the exhaust off split the dpf can down the seams and smash out the core, weld it back up then get it re coated, aluminium coating!, drive through a mud puddle and no one will ever know 😉
Sounds like a pretty stupid thing to do. 🤦♂️
@@GR8Tmate righto ⬜
Those looking to do this mod probably don't care about the legalities and their insurance fine print. They're probably already driving around with 5 inch lifts, body mount chops and 37 tyres without an ounce of engineering.
100%
Having worked in motor insurance, no one reads fine print until it catches them out by technicality on a claim.
Also cool name ;)
@@RJimmy97 people will think I'm talking to myself! Or am I? 🤔
So if my model of hilux is pre November 2016 I can remove it? And say Im taking it out bush so it can be a fire hazard do I need a pass or something?
Hey Ronnie, great vid. I’ve had a number of sports cars and a couple of late model diesels go over the pits (vehicle inspections) over the years and have known plenty of people that have done the same for various reasons (yellow stickers, getting engineered mods etc). From my non scientific observations you can get away with a lot of mods including “illegal” wheels and lifts. But the moment you remove catalytic converters, mess with dpfs or vent anything to atmosphere (like a blow off valve or waste-gate ) it has been an instant fail (meaning the car is not roadworthy) which lines up with your message. It May be worth doing a video on the process of how to get your mods certified by an engineer and then going in for inspection and then advising your insurance etc (hey you could even do a dpf delete and see what happens). Cheers - by the way, having watched the video in question, I'm not fully convinced they deleted the DPF without replacing it - either way they could have done a better job making that clear to avoid this situation.
Good points and I'll probably get flack for this but didn't they say they had replaced it with something of there own because the back of the og one was melted. its hard to hear in vid and short.
OK, you said that emissions are a really big deal, but you said yourself "I won't buy a vehicle fitted with a DPF". That means you're driving two vehicles that both produce diesel particulate which enters the lungs and the blood stream.
So what's worse, removing a DPF or choose to drive a diesel vehicle without a DPF? Seems like they both produce the same amount of emissions.
Just on DPF, there's two facts you neglected to mention. 1. A DPF makes a vehicle less fuel efficient, by up to 2l/100km. So DPF vehicles burn more fuel (to do the same job) and produce more emissions. 2. The question should be asked, where to all those emissions no go? Answer: into the DPF, until it's full, then the car is overfueled to cause the DPF to heat up and burn that soot and convert it into....Carbon Monoxide, the greenhouse gas.
Said the same mate
Completely agree with you
Well I know I'll never have to do an intake clean. Couldn't fix it in two years so bye bye DPF. Runs like a dream now :))
Are turbo backs illegal on road here in WA? I’m confused. Pretty new to the 4wd game and trying to decide whether to upgrade dpf or turbo back for my navara 2019.
Thanks Ronny!
What I’d like to know if the fuel impact of having a DPF vs not having one? Is it like 10 litres of fuel saving or barely anything at all?
Barley anything.
@@ryantilley-general.shenanigans I want facts god damn it! 🤣
@@andrewflourentzou1648 😅😆🤣
You can compare pre and post DPF models. Pre models on paper claim 11.5L/100 combined, post models claim 10.7L/100. In real life scenarios - there'd be nothing in it really
Good job Ronnie! If the manufacturers were to relocate the DPF to a higher spot on the vehicle, they could be proactive in stopping bushfires worldwide. However most goverments are pushing for full electric vehicles to eliminate our outdoor hobbies. Although some manufacturers like jeep are trying to build an electric offroad vehicle, they are far ftom having the driving mileage equal to diesel or petrol. I cant fathom trying to do an electrical repair on a trail like the Canning Stock Route. The DPF only provides extreeme heat while it is in regen mode so it can burn off the soot it has collected. Most diesels create the most soot while at lower RPMs, and this sends the DPF into regen more often causing concern for brushfires while overlanding.Caterpillar engines here in the USA could meet the particulate matter reduction without using a DPF, but could not get the certification because the law required the engines to have a DPF. So as Ronnie stated dont be an Id10t removing any item the manufacturer had to install, you WILL get fined.
The last dmax/mux had the dpf mounted vertically in the engine bay, not sure about the current model.
Most new diesels will only do a DPF burn off at highway speed for half an hour. Its not based on rpm and its mostly likely a safety feature built into the software so not to start grass fires.
A lot of the people who are wanting to ban ICE vehicles would also be keen to ban off road driving
I'm pretty sure most governments aren't pushing EVs to eliminate our outdoor hobbies....
@@PhilipMakowski I’m not necessarily saying the government’s but some of these extreme green types.I had a conversation with a girl from work once where I mentioned the limitations of EV’s for off road touring, her response was that no one should be going off road a damaging the bush anyway
I'm surprised you didn't touch on the EGR delete
4x4 24-7 deleted one on a BT50 a couple of years ago with the help of a well known "tuner" AND they took it out on the road for a test drive . I didnt see this NEW video in question or who it was, but how is it any different from the afore mentioned 4x4'r doing it just to get youtube video visits ?
Have you noticed that military vehicles have EGR blanked ... And no sign of a DPF ... So what sort of message does that send 😊
Just wondering, did you contact the person or business in question to find out exactly what was done to his car? Or are you and everybody else assuming what has been done?
Old mate and the shop put up a vid detailing what was done
Yeah but just wondering if he put a high flow dpf back in and didn’t say it. If Ronny knows him quite well, I wonder if Ronny spoke to him about it or is just going off the video too.
@@ICANTGETANYUSERNAME yeah based on the vid you could assume it was deleted, but he might have also done something like that to keep it legal
There are only two possible scenarios:
- he actually did delete it for whatever reason, and he deserves all this negative press
- he replaced it, implied it was deleted for the likes and yewww factor on the socials and set a pretty bad example
For sure, one of those scenarios is worse than the other - but there’s no scenario where he’s not a complete flog
I'm a bit confused due to Ronny explicitly saying in previous videos that he specifically looked for pre 2016 70 series Land Cruisers.
(No DPF from factory).
I get that Australia's lae is very uptight with vehicle modifications. But I'm not so sure about the message being sent.
Message being sent is either leave the fact that the DPF was removed off the internet or if you discuss it simply inform your followers that they need to check legality in their state or territory. That’s it! Simple as that.
Without that detail it send the wrong message to the community. Look after your viewers/followers because without them a RUclips channel is nothing
I’m not from Australia. Does a remote control exhaust valve count as modifications that will void the warranty? I know it might be a silly question. But what do you think of it?
I would assume so.
( 'OZ' )
Great video Ronny well said Thank you
Old mate’s channel you are referring to started out good but unfortunately lately he has turned into a complete tool
I live in a country with poor Transportation regulations, and any of the facts mentioned apply. My question is, Will the DPS deletion, affect in negative way the performance of the car?
Yeah but he’s happy “Froffing” on it.
I couldn't believe it when I watched old mate's video about his DPF delete, not to mention the workshop's admission about performing the work. I thought I may have missed something in the video whereby they added a disclaimer about the vehicle being only used on private land, which would negate all liability. Both the guys in the video have rocks in their head. Cheers
I watched it again and thinking he replaced the old one and didn’t delete. All he said was he removed the old DPF.. maybe missing that he replaced with a new one?
Which youtuber removed his dpf
@@MrDcastleman that's what I thought, removed due to half blocked never said they did or didn't put a new one in with the new 4inch pipe.
@@mitchfraser5102 2 words mitch, someone who believes they build "game changing" rigs ;)
here is another business admitting what they done , scroll to 10:20 ruclips.net/video/CV--dkMQjKo/видео.html