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The Christmas Carnation Murders
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2019
- In 2007, in the small town of Carnation, Washington, the Anderson family were preparing for the festive season. Until, on Christmas Eve, Michelle Anderson and Joseph McEnroe burst in. The trial of Joseph McEnroe is bizarre, and it would take many years for Michelle Anderson and Joseph McEnroe to be sentenced. But why Joseph McEnroe and Michelle Anderson did what they did, remains the biggest mystery of all.
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If someone who murders 6 of their own family members, 2 of them being children, doesn't deserve the death penalty, then I don't know who does.
The lovely state of Washington. 🙄
@Dominic sounds like you support child murderers. If you god was real why does he allow innocent children to suffer?
@Dominic god which god? The god who speak to a father to kill his son for sacrifice and pop somewhere and told that father its a prank bro?
@Dominic Selfrighteous feels good doesn't it? BTW, exactly where do you think the concept of "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life" comes from? As far as pervert goes, I think you are engaged in a bit of projection there. Just because the idea of seeing someone executed excites YOU sexually, doesn't mean it excites everyone else in that same way.
Let someone murder 6 of your family members and then come preaching this sanctimonious BS about compassion and forgiveness. If it was me, justice would be done with or without the government's help.
All that being said I personally believe a life sentence is more of a punishment. But, in extreme cases where guilt is proven beyond all doubt, I think the victim's family should decide which punishment they perfer.
@@davewade30 im not religious in anyway but imo the death penalty is a easy out for them.
why would you give someone who killed people a easy out for what they did? make them sit in a cell for the rest of their life dealing with their actions
"We didn't want them growing up having witnessed their parents being murdered" Then...maybe...Just MAYBE...you shouldn't have murdered their parents in the first place?
xD
KrossCheckN specially in front of them !! Maybe that way they wouldn’t witness it
KrossCheckN Good point. Maybe it was too complicated for them
@@bilindalaw-morley161 Must have been! Lmao
@Phantom Alpha :( I can be fun! I'll murder my entire family right now! I swear!
(For legal reasons, that's a joke. Lmao)
Judy worked for the post office for decades, was a lovely soul, and left treats in the mailbox for customer's dogs. She was that cool.
Omy God That poor Lady beautiful lady heart of Gold beautiful soul how sad these monsters 👹 took her life. I am not a mean person but these two need to go straight to Hell with their father Satan and burn 🔥 for eternity.
Rest in Peace Judy. AMEN 🙏
We need more people like this woman, not less.
Dammit,I hate when amazing people die...🥺rip
@miss vlad, same 😢
Good lord, I can’t imagine the horror of walking in to your best friend’s house and discovering her entire family had been murdered. I hope Linda is doing alright these days
Me too, especially I don't have a best friend only best enemy.
That 911 call broke me 😢
Would be the perfect opportunity to take pictures and videos of the scene. Once in a lifetime opportunity right there. It was not like it was their own family.
@@paulwoodford6229 most people don't have an interest in taking photos of their dead friends they just found.
@@paulwoodford6229 who tf would do that to his best friend ?!!
I never noticed how often the number three is used in everyday conversation til subscribing to this channel.
Me, too! I thought maybe Mike chose stories with a lot of 🌲🌲!
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
And turd...wait that is only used by my young boys.
Like tree children?
Katie Ashley Or died on the 23rd, or were born in 1933 etc..
Well, she got what she wanted.... free rent for life
Or, as he'd say, "fwee went"
That's so fucked up, but I laughed anyway. I'm sure her prison stay has been a breeze, since we all know prisons don't care about people who hurt/kill children, right? 😉😁
MUAHAHAHA!! greatest comment
Not really. It cost to live in prison.
a christmas miracle
You included information that was in the initial police report. Well done.
I’m a friend of Erica’s mom, Pam, and I was looking after her son while the court made the decision to seek the death penalty.
Your thoughts about Michele and Joseph are spot on. It wasn’t money that fueled the crime. Erica and Scott didn’t need Michele’s financial help. Michele couldn’t bear to see the happiness they shared.
And there was no indication that Michele, or Joseph were mentally unstable before the murders. It was simply convenient for them to be so during their trials.
It's really upsetting it's a whole situation and Joseph mcenroe says that when he looked at the little boy I never looked up at him shook his head knowing that it was okay what was going to happen to him
I just can't wrap my brain around being jealous enough of someone else's happiness that you murder your entire family, why did any of them have to go through this, epically the kids, like why?? It just doesn't make sense, I've been paying my part for rent since I was young, and I'm on disability sure, but I still pay for my shit. I just don't understand the motive at all. I'm so so sorry for your lost.
@@joannajamerson35, there’s an eerie photo of Nathan, as a baby, staring across the room at Joseph and Michele. Pam said the look on Nathan’s face was almost as though the baby knew the man was evil, or Nathan may have even had a sense of what was to come.
@@CHASE420stars, when I read the police interview and came across the part where the two had decided it was better to take the lives of the children than to leave them alive with memories of that night, I was horrified. I join you in confusion at trying to understand it.
Last week, I had a long conversation with Pam and we talked about Erica, Scott, Olivia and Nathan. She keeps their memory alive.
In spite of the nightmare Pam continues to move through, she inspires me to look for joy, extend kindness and fill my heart with gratitude. She’s the strongest woman I’ve ever met.
Thank you for your kind words.
@@amypemberton528 I'm glad you have pam and pam has you, I'm genuinely confused because my family have had their spats about rent, smoked the devil's lettuce but no ones ever been violent, or if they have they just got put in a different family's home, like I see no reason for epically the children, now I didnt know them, but they look just like my cousins I care for, I just am so confused as to how evil you have to be to kill children, I dont talk about it much but I went through something horrible when i was around Olivia and Nate's age and it left me with alot of damage yeah but I can still live, just because a child is damaged doesnt mean their corrupt, like that was so confusing for me, sadly the person that did those things burnt alot of evidence of very bad stuff about me and other children and claimed insanity, he only got two years so I had to move and leave everything I love behind, but I can only imagine the kind of horrifying nightmares she has, and I hope pam is getting support from everyone right now. I'm certainly not a religious person but those two children are in a much better place then where Michelle and Joseph' will be going.
(This story is so tragic, I read up about Nate but they dont really talk about olivia much :( those two little ones deserved to live, when I read the details of Nate's DNA being in erica from holding her so tight I cried and almost puked, what a disgusting witch Michelle is. )
That's so upsetting that her last strength was used to dial 911, but it was in vain. May they rest in peace.
Especially as the police failed :(
You can clearly hear gunshots on the 911 call, yet the cops let a locked gate interfere with their initial response?
I was thinking the same thing! Screaming and gunshots clearly heard!! Police should have busted in with backup on that call. Then that poor lady wouldn't have had to walk in and see the horrific crime scene of her best friend and family murdered....that trauma and horrific image will be stuck with her and in her mind for the rest of her life. I always thought that any 911 call made that the police are required to show up and verify by speaking to someone and checking things out that everything is ok before dismissing it even if the call was made by mistake. Guess that's not the case 😕
My Mother hit 911 on speed dial (she took it off the speed dial afterwards because dialing 911 on purpose was just as quick and less chance of an accidental call again)... But, she hit 911 on accident, hung up because she realized and never heard anyone answer. Within 10 minutes there were officers approaching my step father in the front yard. He had noooo clue she had made a call at all. (She really didn't either) and they would not leave until they were able to verify everything was ok. That was Indianapolis, Indiana. I really can't think of any reason it should be handled any differently anywhere else.
@@constanceleah118 I agree, that's how it should be handled everywhere. I am sure 911 calls are dialed by mistake all the time but better to check it out thoroughly and confirm it was a mistake rather than assume it was and dismiss it when someone really needs help. In this case had they gone in and checked, some of the family members may have been able to get immediate medical attention and possibly been saved. I sincerely hope the officer learned from this and never dismisses another 911 call without thoroughly checking the residence and everyone at the residence.
Cops are morons.
Olli Rolli I did once and they just made the situation worse. I’ve also worked with them as a paramedic, they will do anything to get out of writing a report so the won’t help when they should be involved. They are garbage.
"She's my best friend." You can hear the pain in her voice. Poor woman.
I know. I started to sob with her hearing that!
When someone writes the book, I'd like to hear her say on Michelle and Joseph Mcenroe. I mean, they obviously were always problems for Judy and Wayne. Joseph, so, he could never quite learn to say his ``Rs,'' so what was up with that?! I mean, normally a child with that, they get speech therapy, easy-peasy? I've never met an adult who spoke like that? There must have been drugs involved? And, good God, the dispatcher hears the damn gunshots going off and the line going dead, and the cops don't see the point of overcoming the obstacle of the gate?! It's King County, Washington, serial-killer playground, and that's the dispatcher they have?
@@quickchris10 the operative word here is "normally." Not all parents are concerned with giving their children the best opportunities. No doubt he was bullied or taunted as a kid, just look at the comments here. I think he was telling the truth, he just wanted to do what his gf wanted him to do, and then maybe she'd stop harping. I think he's a tragic figure. Not saying he shouldn't be punished, but he also needs serious therapy.
@@quickchris10 just look up anything on here with Jonathan Ross. Dude has a career as a TV presenter, same speech impediment.
@@QuantumLeap83 Well, I have heard people who can't say their R's (everyone in Boston,) but his seems extreme; perhaps because he is so whiny.
I was in the jail for a month when this guy was in lockdown in the top of the jail during his trial.
I was a trustie, meaning I worked by cleaning parts of the jail like the isolation floor.
I would see him sometimes pacing back and forth in his little one person cell.
It was gross just knowing you were in the same area as him.
But no one thought he was crazy like he acted
It was in
King County Jail in Downtown Seattle.
Mike at Sword and Scale (podcast) reported that he was found to not be mentally ill. So everyone was right.
When I was a teenager I was locked up in juvie with this kid who beat his pregnant girlfriend to death. It was so creepy being around him
The sadness in the callers voice as they called in the murder "she's my best friend..." broke my heart. Part of the reason I could never be a dispatcher.
That woman saying she’ my best friend is so sad:(
felt that fr
It pulled at the heart strings for sure..
fr that shit hit different
Ok, his voice, his testimony is one of the creepiest things i've ever heard. 😱
You need to watch more videos, I've heard worst!!!
He seems weird and unhinged, but I get the feeling that he’s on the spectrum and also uh, not the most *intellectual* of individuals. People who are totally “normal” and calm when they talk about murdering people are more scary to me, tbh.
Well, there's only one wiener at a time allowed on the upper penis. You must negotiate.
@@dickJohnsonpeter what?
Its in our primal instinct to get the creeps from this guy. His voice alone sends signals to run far away from.
If the death penalty doesn’t apply here it doesn’t apply anywhere. I can’t think of many cases of murder that are this callas and horrific. 6 people (family members)… killed on Christmas for money , the killers had zero remorse. Why do we even have the death penalty if we aren’t going to use it for the worst of the worst? Doesn’t make a lot of sense .
It's because our governor is shite at his job. When I moved to Seattle in 1992, I remember there were a couple of executions.
He’s admitting to murder so it probably changed the sentence from death to life. The jury made that decision in this case, not the judge or governor
He was a real character. Would be a shame to sentence him to death. He is too interesting.
You’re so close to the point but just missed it lol. Maybe we shouldn’t have the death penalty at all.
@@maddieb.4282 That was a rhetorical question which embodied anti death penalty sentiment... i didnt miss the point lol. If we dont use capital punishment for this what do we use it for? ie. it has no purpose
The contrast between his attitude and pronouncing his “r’s” like a toddler is hilarious
He just wanted them to have a beddawr wife. No suffawing.
I keep trying to understand why he has such a specific speech impediment. 🤷🏾♀️
I saw this comment as I just started the video and thought you were talking about Mike 😂 (his Irish accent and how he pronounces 'r' and 'th' is a big talking topic apparently) ... nothing could have prepared me for Joseph's voice omg
@@jenniferhundley148 It's called rhotacism.
I hate the cases where parents die not knowing what’s going to happen to their children. I’m sure Scott and Erica’s last thoughts were about their children. Rest In Peace.
Wouldn't it be worse seeing them die first? I'd rather die with a hope than live with the knowledge.
Please go away knowing they're all together now in Heaven holding eachother and together forever now. God May they all rest at Peace .🙏🙏 🙏 🙏 💜💜💜💜
@@tylerskiss that is very true but in a situation where I felt we would all likely die anyway, I would prefer to have to have the awful pain of seeing my children die so that they hopefully could die first not realising what was about to happen and just being quickly shot. I would hate for them to see their parents shot and even if it still happened quickly, have been in absolute terror before dying themselves. As their parent, I would rather be the one to have to cope with the horrendous realisation of our fate than for them to
@@lulabellelikes4228 I guess I'm thinking from where I am in life right now, which is with a child who doesn't yet understand death, so as horrible as it is to even hypothetically imagine it, in that case he'd be seeing daddy go to sleep and I'd be spared what I can assure you would be the greatest emotional agony even for a few short seconds.
Or maybe... we can sweep the leg and grab the weapon and then save everyone, how about that? That way no one loses.
excuse me? would you rather the children are murdered or tortured infront of their parents first? ffs killing the parents and the adults first then the children quickly after is better if it had to be done in a particular order
Will never understand how someone could point a gun at a child and fire.
Well, your not a crazed sicko.. so there's that!
@@BeenThereOverItNow The irony when you realize their comment was intended to be discovered, and help paint the picture that they wouldn’t kill all the children which police are currently investigating them for. If they don’t comment back, I suppose it may not have worked, and they have to answer for all those bodies.
@@BeenThereOverItNow a 'crazed sicko' is just being 'ill.' it means it's not your fault. so your off the hook. it means there's help.
an evil person? other matter entirely. where nothing is going to help. and there is no excuse. and it's entirely your fault.
and when people like her and him die? whatever punishment they have in life is nothing. absolutely nothing compared to what they get to suffer in hell forever.
Lord Walker evil people see no harm in murdering children let alone adults. They don't care, it's nothing for them. What they don't know and don't even care about yet- until it happens? They choose to go to hell through their evils and suffer forever at the moment of death but hey- that's their problem.
drugs
That 911 call broke my heart “there’s a baby, a man and a woman.... she’s my best friend”
The amount of time to bring them to justice is sickening when they ultimately CHOSE to not even seek the death penalty with the daughter. They should have offered them both life in prison no parole to avoid the death penalty. They make that deal all the time.
He’s seriously scary. “At least nobody suffered.” So matter of fact. He’s such a dangerous person. Anyone that can execute this many people including two kids and then say at least no one suffered is someone that can never be free. Wow that was scary.
He was merely the simp for the woman. She found a mentally simple man she could control.
At least no one suffered..... Wow just wow..... Seems he has shit to hide .... Idk I don't trust him
I've always thought that highly suggestible/gullible people are just as dangerous as their manipulators and should be locked away to prevent their stupidity from being taken advantage of to inflict carnage on the rest of us.
@@HavocHerseim Imagine being a simp and going to prison for a porker like that...just wow.
And he LOOKS and SOUNDS absolutely disturbed.
Crazy thinking that Olivia and Nathan would be turning 19 and 17 this year but they never got the chance to even be in the first grade
Makes my heart sink man.
How very sad 😭
It's ESPECIALLY crazy to me, because:
1. I'm a Washington native
2. I'm only a year and a half or so older than Olivia was
3. My middle name is Olivia
@@ChakkyCharizard Jesus those are some eerie coincidences. I can't imagine what your parents were feeling, hearing about this little baby being murdered and looking over at their baby whose about the same age. Something similar with me in that I'm just shy of being 2 years younger than Maddie McCann and when she went missing, toddler me and my parents were in Spain on holidays. Like we were that close to where this happened and I was around her age, if I was my parents I'd have had baby me on a leash from pure paranoia
This really hit me, I live just outside of Carnation. I most likely would have gone to school with them.
I can't even imagine the terror and confusion that the children witness during their last day. Rest in peace to the families. This case actually made me cry.
Forgot to mention that the banter between Mike & his (formerly filmed) self was like a medicinal balm for this horrific story. Absolutely hilarious & adorable, and very appropriate for a Christmas Tale. Well done 👏🏼🎄
Imagine being murdered by your children over rent money.... after you let them live rent free for a year, and they are 30+ yrs old. What a way to go, they prob spent 10s of thousands raising this girl, taking her to doctors, buying her food, clothes etc etc....then she kills you over some pocket change in comparison.
Not defending the murders, but we really have no idea what her life was like. We shouldn't make assumptions.
@@rowynnecrowley1689 They still brought her up and there is absolutely nothing that could justify what she's done. Murderers don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Geez, ain't nothing on legal paper so if the daughter was so desperate she could just never pay back and she won't be legally obliged to do so.
@@rowynnecrowley1689 We don't have any idea what her life was like, but there's NO defence for what she did.
The closest I could come to a mitigating factor would be abuse of some description, so assuming that, (hypothetically) you'd imagine that the parents were the abusers, so why kill her brother, sister-in-law, and two young children?
Why live on the same property?
If she'd been abused you'd imagine her moving as far away as possible, as soon as possible, but she continued to live just yards away fry her parents - doesn't point to a terrible lifelong relationship IMHO.
You're correct when you say that we shouldn't make assumptions - an admirable sentiment, but it's difficult to see past the brutal slaying of six people, obviously including two very young children.
@@rowynnecrowley1689 So, it is justified to kill her parents if she got issues? Hm.
Luckily she was not your child, or u might be gone by now lol
Turty one with tree children.
Gets me every time
I love it lol
Tall shits
Charles Veitch I know native Canadians that say it the same way. 😆
@@lorimaloney2368 we Cajuns talk like that too cher'
@@lorimaloney2368 some Cajuns too
My grandpa is from Carnation. He knew this family and was devastated by this. I lived there for a short while not long after this happened. It shook the tiny town.
Thank you for teaching me a psychiatric term I'd never heard of..."folie à deux"
police: “damn, the gate is locked, it’s over boys”
woman: *walks around gate*
police: “damn she’s good”
Never send police to do a womans job
I'm police🤣
@Zooted Ludes oh yeah gunshots and screaming in the 911 call isn't enough, right?
@Zooted Ludes uh, there were definitely gunshots on that call, and screaming. Makes zero sense why they wouldn't have gone in.
Cops are fucking useless.
Omg Joseph’s voice and language was just as disturbing as the crime.
He's creepy for sure, stuff of nightmares. 😳😱
Listening to Joseph testify you just know her family absolutely hated this guy.
Home star runner
He is why LSD is illegal.
Oowwwwkwway
This was one of the most haunting stories I've seen from Mike and it bc was all because of that beautiful Christmas music in the background. You are a true artist Mike.
“They didn’t want them to grow up witnessing their parents death” so instead they executed their parents infront of them, then stared them in the eye apologizing then executing them as well....
LOVE how the prosecution called him out for putting on the twitches for the jury and how there had been no sign of it earlier. It's such a terrible act.
I don’t think he’s lying about the twitches since he was heavily medicated but he’s probably over exaggerating them lol
@@ComaLies225 I think it's from the medication as well. If people disagree they might try a tramadol and theyd understand...
He's definitely faking, at 16:12 he stops constantly twitching to talk, and when he's done talking he resumes twitching. It's a painfully obvious act.
@@RaccoonNation I've had my fair share of experiences. Trust me, those are not from medication. It's entirely put on.
@@ChristieBrewster you say "by that logic" and then mention some scenario that has nothing to do with what i said. And again, he never had this twitch before this case, or during the first part of it until it was convenient to make it up
The 3 yr old attempting to hand whatever the boyfriend dropped before killing him was the worst part of this case. The boyfriend said it was like he thought it would stop if he gave it to him.
bubba aint stop violating that dudes ass in prison i hope
He also said that the little boy looked at him and nodded as if he understood what was going to happen to him and it was okay
@@joannajamerson35 Yeah because this guy's IQ is super low. Somehow he justifies it to himself. It's disgusting.
@@joannajamerson35 😭 I’ll never understand how people can do things like this.
@@loris7660 They enjoy it. It’s the only power they have.
Telling the story with Christmas music playing was haunting.
Dude you crack me up! Nothing about these cases would be considered funny but I absolutely love watching True Crime stories...if for nothing more than TRYING TO UNDERSTAND such sick minds! This is much of why I studied psychology as my minor in college but without the humor you give I have vicious night terrors and anxiety after watching other channels so thank you for making it more bearable
"O Holy Night" playing softly during the description of the murders was...fucking haunting, to say the least. Good editing, mate.
very good choice of juxtaposition
just as fd up as this monstrous crime
Mike: Michelle lived with her boyfriend Joseph McEnroe in a trailer on the property (shows Josephs picture)
Me: Oh, this ain't gonna end well...
🤣😂🤣😂
The next red flag was...they don't pay rent
Hahahah I saw the pic and went :O
Yeah, I already thought they were losers when he said that!
I gave your link to my friends and family this week. Merry happy whatever everyone celebrates day. I hope i gave you a couple more people. 💜💙💚
I had a son named Nathan. He died at age 7 with my husband when he was 35. In an accident in front of our 11 yr old daughter who survived. It was a horrific time. My father had just died of cancer. It nearly destroyed the rest of us.
This case was horrible. I sat through the testimony in memory of the victims. May they Rest In Peace. God bless them and their memories. None of these people, adults or children deserved what happened to them.
💔💔💔💔💔💔
I'm so sorry about your dear son , and your husband. Bless your heart.
Prison is a helluva way to get free rent. 🤷🏼♀️
But hey, she doesn't have to pay rent to her parents now, so she's quids in. What a clever girl. Put her in charge of the Federal Reserve.
Mic drop
L0gginginisstupid Free to the person going unfortunately but not to John and Jane Taxpayer
😅
"Fucking duh, right." - Joe McEnroe
I feel so bad for the lady that found them. 😢
😥😥😥😥😥
Just heart so breaking 💔 😢
I feel bad for the ones murdered
"..and she's my best friend." :(
She must’ve been in such a big shock to not run out of there as soon as she saw the first body
‘There’s a baby and a man and a woman and she’s my best friend ‘ absolutely heartbreaking to hear the friends 911 call 🥺😢😢
My reaction on seeing the first photo of Joseph; "Dammn, look at them Manson lights!"✌🏻🐱
Seeing the a photo of the daughters boyfriend....i knew it was going downhill from there
When I saw the picture I couldn't help but say out loud, "he's definitely a murderer"
Ditto
Same! I saw those 2 and thought they give me a creepy feeling 😳
🤣🤣🤣
Poster Boy for Meth ABUSE... HORRIBLE MONSTER
Everybody is miraculously insane after they get in trouble.
While I wouldn't proclaim either of them innocent I would describe both as insane given the motives.
(That said I'd describe most murderers as insane, not to say I'd describe any as innocent)
You ever think that might be because people who commit mass murders tend to be mentally ill?
I don't see why it really matters. Mentally insane or not, they're a danger to society and they should be put to death. ALL MURDER CASES SHOULD END WITH THE DEATH PENALTY. Sorry but mentally ill folks who are violent don't have a right to live
MrAnjelorion Well, you’re wrong, because they do have the right to live unless determined by a grand jury, in which case they still have the right until their execution date. And the death penalty for every murder case will simply never happen. It’s too expensive, too controversial, and is often traumatic for the guards selected to administer the lethal injection; that’s why convicts are on Death Row for so long. And there is always the possibility of a wrongful conviction as well.
@@charlieapples9373 the death penalty is only expensive because they get an entire life sentence before being executed. If someone is truly found guilty they should be executed within the year. Sign me up I'd administer the injection to a bunch of filthy animals every day
6:15 If the damned cops had done their jobs that night, and "just walked around the locked gate," like Linda did, then a few days later poor Linda would not have found her best friend and family dead inside the house. Poor lady - I do hope she has recovered from that hideous morning. "And she's my best frien n n n d.." Heartbreaking, absolutely shattering.
"it's not everyday you see people protesting a judge outside of courthouse."
Better times.
Erica, Olivia and Nathan were my cousins. Over the years I’ve seen plenty of coverage on this tragedy. You did a great job being somber and I appreciate your take on it. For additional information, in the 9-1-1 phone call you can actually hear Erica say, “please no, not the kids.” I understand a lot of you may have questions, believe me I know it’s hard to comprehend such a brutal case. I’ll try to respond to what comments that I can to answer any of your questions. Also a huge shoutout to Scott O’Toole the lead prosecutor in this case. He inspired me to pursue a career in law, and I’m now applying to law schools thanks to him.
Another important note: Scott did not owe Michelle any money, it was all because Wayne and Judy finally asked these two sick individuals to pay rent. Wayne and Judy were incredibly kind people, and beloved by my small town.
Moreover: JOSEPH WAS FAKING. Prior to the trial he never had a twitch, it was all an act and multiple witnesses testified that he never acted this way before the trial began. Both he and Michelle tried to claim insanity several times and were always found to be mentally competent.
I am so sorry for the loss of your family members. My deepest condolences, what a horrible tragedy
I am so sorry for your loss. 😢
This is so awful and abhorrent! That poor family and those children. So sickening I'm sorry this happened to your family
"...Don't have to go through this tortuous existence?"
I consider everyday I'm not brutally murdered to be a beautiful day. I just breathed, which means I'm not being strangled, asphyxiated, hung, or drowned... isn't breathing great?
I really like this!
It was interesting to me that he said “this torturous existence” not “a” torturous existence. Seems unnatural phrasing. For example “to grow up living a torturous existence” would make more sense. I know it kind of makes sense when he’s just described the act so saying “this” as in what he’s just described-the picture he’s just painted if you will. But it could be that in his mind life itself is a torturous existence. Not comparable to watching your family slain- by a family member, in front of you as a kid, but I’m guessing to himself his life was a pile of shit and he not only agreed that he’s ‘saving’ them from the inevitable lifelong trauma of growing up post massacre but that he was maybe also doing them a favor ‘freeing’ them from what in his view is a torturous experience anyway. Life.
I could be talking bollocks though. I just don’t understand how any human can kill children. I guess doing that disqualifies you from being classed as human. Those poor kids
I love this post and yes breathing is great.
Til you hit the blunt too hard, then breathing causes coughing attacks.
Something George Floyd misses😂😂😂
Mike, I don't know how u do it but your music is ALWAYS spot on, whatever the topic. So much work goes into each video! All of us really, really appreciate YOU!!!!😉😉😉
Co worker so lucky to be alive, imagine these 2 were still on the property
I highly doubt her brother owed her 40K. If she was living rent free for a year, and got pissed about having to pay...yeah okay.
Exactly what I said. Plus she was an addict. I don't see her having enough money to loan out $40k when she lived in that mobile home rent free. I think something happened and she felt like he needed to pay her $40k to make it right, because I just don't see her having that kind of money to loan to someone, brother or not.
I know the family. This happened in my home town, I'm close with the surviving sister, Mary. Her and my dad dated for a while a few years back.
According to her he owed her money. According to my ex hasbeen, everyone owes him something... And he's got a trick for every one of them, including me, it's a mentality, some people think everyone owes them something.
@@constanceleah118 Yeah, true. A lot of people like to blame their problems on other people whether they mean to or not. One of my friend's girlfriend is like that and she is basically a 30+ year old who is willingly homeless (loooong story lol)
Well they won't be paying rent for sure.
@Olli Rolli Well, my understanding is that they were wanting her to pay after she had been given free rent for a year or so. Plus, she was a grown woman. She shouldn't have been living at home anyway.
The cops didn't show up after that 911 call with all of that screaming and popping sounds in the background? Wtf?
@The Reverend Jim Jones ignorant policeofficers. i guess they wanted to go home quickly to open up presents...
The place is tucked up in the forest, I live near there. Gun shots are a regular thing out here, it's rural so there's a lot of hunting and such. And, you can't see the house from the driveway...it's dark out there.
@Layla W some, not all!
@Cynthia hoping this is a Frank Ocean reference
The police couldn’t get in through the locked gate.
The co-worker was clearly very high IQ and quickly worked out that she could walk around it.
Ahh the marvels of high IQ individuals.....and alas the low
Ive been going back through all of the videos and im pretty sure this is the first time you say "I love you"...after such a brutal case im sure we all needed that
Happy Holidays, Mike! I’m really enjoying your videos. 🎄
That was one of the easiest death penalty convictions ever. It actually boggles my mind that neither the prosecutor, nor the jury were convinced by that.
Agree!! I was thinking the same thing! Especially for those poor babies!! 💔😢😭
The death penalty is barbaric. One innocent death is too many. Life in prison is worse.
Either the guy is one of the greatest actors of all time or he wasn't right in the head.
Do they even have the death penalty in your country? Where are you from
I feel like he really wants them to suffer in prison forever over killing them. Which, I'm not entirely against myself lol.
It is nauseating when folks have no problem taking a life, but fold up like a little girl when there life is in jeopardy
IKR they all do and even then they get 25 to 30 yrs to fight that ...bs if u know they did it ...TAKE THEM OUT OF THIS WORLD. ...QUICKLY
Man. See. I've heard all of these cases and the interviews in them, in podcasts in years previous. But I've never seen these people. So seeing these people in the moment, like this guy's speech impediment... it's kind of surreal.
Found this channel a few weeks ago. Been binging it ever since. It's about the only way I would be willing to revisit all of these cases to start with. It's a big compliment.
This and MONSTERS are the two RUclips podcasts that have taken over JCS as the very best of true crime.
I have been a follower for a year or so and it's good to see Mike's audience growing leaps and bounds.
Keep up the quality content brother. These are difficult times and, even though the subjects are violent and horrible, TC gets a mind off of COVID! Cheers.
I agree…TC and Monsters are incredibly well done and fans of both
It's crazy how often the cops will avoid doing their jobs in these stories... They didn't check on the house the 911 call came from because there was a gate...
@blahblahblah mememe stop your racist bs
@@Arevui You know for a pagan you're pretty oblivious to how the system is rooted in bigotry and oppression and suppressing dissent. You'd think a history of being hung, drowned or set on fire would be enough for you to learn that one. The same forces that built a system to slaughter non-Christians built the system to oppress everyone else outside their group too.
@@PosthumanHeresy discrimination is everywhere, people hate each other, some hate those who are rich, some hate those who are poor, or from the nation they don't like. It's not only about blacks.
@@Arevui It's not just about the emotion of hatred however. You need power to actually put said hatred into practice. If your local convenience store employee hates rich people, how much ability do you think he has to act on that hatred, assuming he doesn't go shoot up a place? Not much. Maybe occasionally he can spit in someone's food or something, but that's about it. Now, how much ability do you think a legislator that hates black people has to harm them? How much ability do you think police have to harm someone? Obviously a lot more, because they have the power to do so. Or to bring it back to religion, I'm sure you've met at least a few people that hate Christianity. How much ability do they have to actually make an impact on the lives of Christians? Now, how much ability do Christians who hate non-Christians have to harm them? Obviously a lot more, because Christians hold the majority of power in the country. You can hate all you want, but without power your hatred is impotent. A paraplegic could have the psyche of a serial killer, but it's not like they have any ability to act on it.
They really shouldn't be able to sleep at night because of this
Today is a sad day in RUclips viewership history. I've officially seen every "That Chapter" video; some twice. Now what?
You rewatch them. A second "turd" or 4th time lmao. Enjoy, time and time again.
Check out Mr. Ballen. 😊
Check out Christina Randall too
Tree times is charm😂
Go watch all of JCS videos.
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU, THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT VIDEOS, I`M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING MANY MORE...🎄..⛄
You had to do the Christmas music in the background, just couldnt resist 😂
13:48 “I couldn’t look at [Judy], because I’d see the emptiness where she should be.”
Damn. This guy is clearly not all there, but that’s one of the most haunting descriptions of taking someone’s life that I’ve ever heard.
EXACTLY! Joseph is clearly broken. He should be put in an asylum, not prison.
ItsMeWolfy I agree. He may very well have been exaggerating his apparent insanity to try and get leniency (truthfully, who wouldn’t?), but at the same time he seems very genuinely disturbed.
Yes. I know that seeing the victims of a murder, especially children, can evoke feelings of retribution, revenge and retaliation. However I've seen abnormal psychology and I've seen it in settings similar to this. Maybe he didn't show emotional reactions like this to the prosecution or police, but on the stand (while medicated) is where I would expect to see the most intense self inventory. That's where you'll see the symptoms most.
I thought a lot of this was an act prior to that but Jesus that was such a real moment. The guy clearly had a lot of issues, it gave me chills.
DifferentWorlds Yeah, that moment and his “fit” immediately afterward was...too imperfect to be an act, if you know what I mean. The stuttering, the sudden realization of what he’d just said (and done), the thrashing...there was nothing theatrical about it. It was disturbing because he was deeply disturbed in that moment, to the point that he couldn’t contain it.
I hate the way he's so softly spoken especially with what they did, it's sickening
You say that as if he'd do it the good way that calms people down while he could not speak creepier, no matter what he'd done. If someone would speak to me like this even if it would be just about the weather I'd run away lol.
Honestly, if Leto would have watched him maybe his Joker would have been any better.
You can tell he wants to act and be like Hannibal SO BAD, and it’s just sad AF 🤦🏼♂️
I love the way you relay the cases in your vlogs Mike. The cases are serious, serious matters and I don't mean to discount it in the least by saying Mike uses words that are easy to understand and diverting like when you said "Dolla Dolla bills" was the motivation of the murders. In short, I like watching your vlogs much more any other vlogs because you say it just the way it is without being overly dramatic.
As brutally sad this is to listen to, these stories make me more compassionate toward people I see but might not know. You never know what pain people are carrying once the trauma has long passed.
it’s so sad, the little boy picked up the batteries from the phone his mother dropped, and he tried to hand them to the pieces of sh*t that were about to murder him.. .. it was senseless, cruel, and monstrous ..
At least we can rest easy knowing bubba got in those cheeks
Really, I think the American judicial system could've learned from how the Russians dealt with Andrei Chikatilo, the Butcher of Rostov, but the Americans are soft, yeah, they really are. Not long after Chikatilo was sentenced to death he was taken into a basement room and shot in the back of the head. That's how you deal with these 'things.'
I used to think most people were generally good and decent !! Lately I'm thinking maybe most people are frickin nuts
You better believe it bro.....
Cases like these are in the 0.001 percentile. I wouldn’t worry about it you’ve got more of a chance of an eagle landing on your head. Most people are decent.
Olli Rolli well if you look at how often these sort of crimes occur it’s pretty self evident, so no survey needed
@@joeyblogsy you got the numbers then right?
Full-time POG close enough yes
I love your videos man, Subscribed recently and watched most of your videos 🤣🤣
thank you, hope you had a happy christmas,
Genie: "Hey Michelle, do I have a deal for YOU. Enough of this pay-your-rent nonsense. Get free room and board for 60 years! All you have to do is spend the rest of your life in prison. Whaddya say?"
Lol
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Things I’ve learned from listening to these stories.
1. Some cops are extremely bad at their job
2. Never go outside, but you’re also not safe inside
3. Everyone is a serial killer
4. I’ve been pronouncing “three” wrong all this time
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
I LOVE this series!! Thank you!!!💕💕💕
I never realised how often the word three is actually used in every day life. Mike you are so adorable that you can’t say three (tree) unless you say it very slowly. Love this channel 💞
Mike is Irish, that is his accent, pronouncing th as t. Adorable.
I would have liked to have heard from the crazy daughter.
I would like to see a video of Michelle's trial that would be interesting
Ohhhh me too
Parents- pay rent
Daughter- well gotta kill everyone now 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
It's interesting how nothing from hers had footage :(
Search "Michele Anderson trial." There is actually quite a bit of footage of it. She doesnt actually ever take the stand (that I saw) so there isnt footage of her talking in person, though they do play footage of the audio of some of her interrogation and her confession. The only thing I saw of her talking was during her sentencing when the judge asks if she wants to say anything and she just says "no thank you."
There’s actually more audio to Erica’s 911 call... but I don’t blame him for not including it. I haven’t been able to forget it since the first time I listened to it. It has always stayed with me. I researched this case heavily for a paper in high school. I ache for this Family. To hear Erica... the terror, the pain, the sound of her heart shattering as she screams “No! No! Not my kids!”.....
Even tho it’s not much longer than what’s included in this video, it just never leaves you once you hear the full call because you realize she had to witness her husband and both of her babies be gunned down before they finished her off. While she lay bleeding and unable to do anything at all but watch her Family slaughtered. To know those are the last thoughts she had. I just..... Rest In Peace Angels, I’ll never forget your story.
How didn't the 911 operator hear that?
Wow I'm glad he didn't play it too.
My god that’s heartbreaking
So this was all on the 911 call, and all it took for officers to not bother to check it out was a locked gate? That's ridiculous.
that is heartbreaking .. like my gosh
These videos will keep me single... 🤧Thanks Mike
you're the BEST Mike!!!
In my experience, debt collecting is a lot easier when the person who owes you is still alive!
Well there ya go, using logic. I swear, all of these stories make me wonder what some people WOULDN'T kill for. We all have to realize there will at some point be a That Chapter episode titled "The Klondike Bars Murder" where someone has literally killed for a goddamn Klondike bar.
@@cade377 What would you do for a Klondike bar? Lol I'll see myself out
14:01 Oscar worthy. The shaking, hiding his head, knocking the mic, heavy breathing then looking up...with no tears
Yeh ikr i was cringing the whole time
For the life of me, I can't understand why court wasn't recessed at that point.
what do you think 6 murders on your conscience and living in prison having killed two kids would do to your psyche? dont think hes faking it and would have to be mental and stupid to even do this to begin with
It baffles me that they took the death penalty off of the table for him as an act of mercy when in reality letting him live is far more inhumane.
Exactly. Sick.
I had two sheriff deputies that would not jump the gate to get the man who was stalking me and I had been to court numerous times over him breaking the TPO..
A Sheriff deputy,Woman .. called me and I said but he won’t open his gate, she said I jump gates…
I said he will run in the woods behind his house, she said I will run though woods and I will call you when I get him …
I waited … nervously!!! And praying and I got her call that he was in custody and for me to finally get some peaceful sleep.
I’m forever grateful for her !!!
"I don't cawe, ok?"
I'm so wrong for laughing but I couldn't help it! He was like "shiit😩" 😂😂😂
I couldn't help but laugh as well. I'm going to hell
yeah what’s up with him speaking like a 3 year old? whacko faker.
He sounds like Kripke
Right Why does he talk like a baby?
People that are simple minded and malicious are often the most dangerous.
Yes...
@@dalegribble5661 Y'all got any of that pocket sand?
Bad combination
Seems like he was simple minded and she was malicious. This is truly a horror story.
How anyone can live even a minute after doing something like this is beyond me
What an awful thing to discover. You would be changed forever seeing all those people dead.
Where did some chick living free in a trailer on her parent's land get $40,000 to give her brother.
Yeah ever think that’s why she was stuck living in a trailer, unable to pay rent? The brother owes for $40,000, the parents aren’t doing anything about it, but are hustling her about rent when it’s not costing them shit to let her live in a trailer? I’m not saying murder a whole family, but if she really was abused as a child, and now being treated like shit by the whole family, a person has their limits. The kids are too much though
@@BikingVikingHH she had a boyfriend. He should have man up and got an apartment far away and started over. I'm they did have gas money to travel from state to state.
Unless the story about the $40K was entirely made up. They were caught in many, many lies. And you know what? If your family abused you, move away. Don't live next door to them.
@@BikingVikingHH yea they must have wanted someone else to rent the trailer I suppose.Doubtful the 40 grand thing is true,
@@itsjustnopinionok They must have had some source of income?
If Mike does his own editing, I really appreciate how he keeps it simple, yet still manages to give it personality.
He does it all himself
Heyyy you, he does everything himself!
The best thing about this series no bullshit no self promoting just simply vibes and that's what makes his channel so special but most importantly it brings out emotions I thought I would never have towards a video
he considered hiring an editor but he thought to give it a goo himself and see how it turns out
I can't imagine he doesn't have at least some researcher working with him, maybe some helpers?
good job on the police .... get an emergency call from a location...."ah gate's locked ...nvm then."
Omg. I've been binge watching your channel for days 😆
Family killed because of money... You can truly feel the Christmas spirit...
I refuse to believe no one uttered, "what in Carnation," At least once during this case.
Hilarious
Because "What in Tolt" doesn't have the same ring to it.
fr i have lived in carnation my whole life and even live less then 10 minutes away, my mother went to school with the murders and i went to school and was friends with her nephew, can’t believe this happened to this day
I seriously can't stop watching your videos!!
The guy said the only “decent thing to do was to kill the children. . .” I’d like to scream at him and tell him the only DECENT THING TO DO WAS NOT TO MURDER THEIR PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS!!! This is just sickening!! So very sad
How anyone could hurt children is beyond me and has to be pure evil.
There's a seat reserved for him downstairs
Lol
Um, you’ve never heard of the Holocaust? Why do people insist on being comfortable 100% of them time and can’t be bothered to learn how evil works to help come together to fight it? People would rather ask the same question 400 Trillion times “I just don’t understand”….”I’ll never understand”….
It’s like all you have to do is Google anti social behavior and BAM…you’ll understand…but nope. To much work to use your fingers go Google the info.
There has to be no soul in them.
The slow Christmas hymns in the background is incredibly haunting. Good choice.
TheDcbrewer0023 🥵🥵🥵I thought that shot was coming from my parents master where they’re wrapping gifts and I almost went in and screamed to turn that shit off!!!! It’s way btr now that I know it’s behind this lovely story 🤣🤣🤣
I know right...Im watching at 4am Xmas day under the covers 🤦🏻♀️😲
Why "O holy night"??
A lot of people grew up in worst family conditions but we don’t see them killing their families.