that's so awesome!! I had been out of high school for a year or two when Pretty. Odd. came out + I remember rushing to buy it the day it came out. Loved it then, even after being obsessed w Fever in HS. love it even more now. so amazing to see this band transcending age/ different generations + that their music means so much to so many of us
that’s awesome man, my first album I bought, not my first rock related record I owned but first that I bought with my money was for my 13th birthday I got some money and I bought What It Is To Burn by Finch, this was in 2003, man they were such an underrated band
I honestly think that the huge gap difference between the first and second album is what makes them great. They were able to pull this album off SO well. They're able to wear different faces and make it work for them. Pretty. Odd. has always been my favorite PATD album. Ryan Ross brought SO much talent to this group. Brendan Urie is great, don't get me wrong, but Ryan AND Brendan together? You just can't beat that.
To me, the emotional shift between fever and pretty odd always made sense, seeing how young they were when creating fever and how young they still were, but also significantly older they were when creating fever. Fever was the teenage rage and self grandiousness (this one carried on to the cabin album), while pretty odd was the freedom of a young adult underpined by all the baggage still carried.
Personally, I feel like when Ryan and Jon left, Panic was no more. There was the Brendon and Spencer era but that was short lived, and wasn't really interesting in my opinion. To me, its just The Brendon Urie Solo Project now. Panic At The Disco to me will ALWAYS be Ryan, Brendon, Spencer, and Jon.
PATD lastest album was horrible (the grammy winner one 💀) but imo Vices and Virtues and Too Weird To Live To Rare To Die were amazing. A couple of songs on Death Of The Bachelor were great too. I really can’t say I don’t like the post-Ryan songs.
I liked the Dallon Era Panic, but it too was short lived. Only one album (Too Weird to live..). Vices and Virtues was okay, some songs like Sarah Smiles, Ballad of Mona Lisa, and Nearly Witches were really good. He should have dropped the name after Spencer left, keeping the name in my eyes would be like if Dave Grohl were to call his band "Nirvana" or if Paul McCartney would go around touring as "the Beatles", it just doesn't feel right to me.
Wait, Folie à Deux *isn't* universally loved?? I'm not into Fall Out Boy enough to know a lot about their history, but most of my favorite FOB songs come from that album, it never ocurred to me that it was their Pretty. Odd. lol
@@mariaah3073 Ohhhh yeah, when it came out everyone HATED it because it was their hugest departure from their original sound. I mean, the features aren’t listed, but there IS a Lil Wayne feature and some production from Pharrell, so she is an oddball for sure. But it’s my fav and sounds like one of yours too, thankfully there’s a lot more love for it in the fandom now (just like Pretty. Odd.) and I think it’s maybe due to the fact that we’re used to both bands having wayyyy more commercial sounds now, so it’s not as huge of a shock? She’s My Winona, Headfirst Slide, What a Catch, 20 Dollar Nosebleed, all top tier FOB tracks imo!
Pretty Odd is such an underrated era (I'm also biased because this is the era that I saw live, and it remains one of my favorite concert memories) and was such a bold move - I mean, a Myspace scene band going from baroque electro-pop to Beatelesque 60's nostalgia, AND doing it well? Who knew. I only hope we hear more material like this now that Ryan's apparently returned to making music...
The amount of respect I feel for you every time you refer to P!ATD as "Ryan's band" is unexplainable......I cannot wrap my head around how it's possible that there are actually people who claim 2b huge fans of AFYCSO yet give Brendan the credit for everything including lyrics & think it was always Brendan's band...It irks me 2 the core... Ryans always been UNDERRATED but more now than ever. He's a musical genius. I love how smart & interesting his writing is. Even tho Brendan's the lead vocalist I feel like Ryan was the frontman. Just like Pete Wentz is to FOB. Especially in the AFYCSO era. He was usually the lead speaker in interviews, was the artistic visionary behind the music & lyrics. It was HIS band. & That's why nothing Brendan has done since compares 2 P!ATD. I don't think it was right 2 keep the name. Ryan did an interview expressing his negative feelings 4 Brendan continuing as Panic & still performing the songs he wrote. I 2 love Ryan's voice & wish he sang more on PO & that sounded more similar 2 the live performances of it cuz I love how Ryan actually has lines in the live shows & the contrast between thier voices is perfection. I also wish there had been @least 1 more P!ATD album w/Ryan: the genius of P!ATD. I agree a bridge would've been gr8. It irks me how it seems like Ryan's wasted his talent 4 so many years since after Take A Vacation & given up. I feel like if Brendan hadn't continued using the name there would've been a reunion by now & probably even an album cuz of 2019 when Spencer, Jon, & Ryan said they missed performing w/ their friends & missed the band. Idk why people always compare PO to The Beatles. IMO Take A Vacation sounds like The Beatles but PO? Not really....only hear influences of em. If u haven't heard 'Where I Belong' by Ryan Ross, check it out. IMO it's his best solo song. He Wears his heart on his sleeve in it & expresses his feelings on 2009-2015 career wise. BTW THANK YOU!!!! I hadn't ever heard any of AFYCSO or PRETTY ODD besides Lying Is The Most Fun & I Write Sins until the video u did on the bands start & the way u put alot of focus on Ryan & refered to him as a genius intrigued me so I got the vinyl of AFYCSO & PO the next day & became a big P!ATD 05-09 fan thanks 2U! 2nd time I've found a top 5 album through someone on RUclips. 1st was The Black Parade cuz of ARTV & now AFYCSO cuz of u.
Well…. Brendan has written the past 3 albums of P!ATD…. And they were amazing. Brendan is an amazing song writer as well, and I absolutely love the direction he’s taken the band in. To be completely honest, I’m not sure P!ATD would still even be relevant, if it weren’t for Brendans song writing these past 3 albums.
I don't think you would have gotten a different result from the core P!ATD fanbase even if Brendon Urie & Spencer Smith had picked a new name for their duo at the same time that Ryan Ross & Jon Walker changed theirs to The Young Veins. Ultimately, The Young Veins was a psychedelic, 1st wave BritPop(1960s-ish) inspired band musically while P!ATD, under Urie & Smith, used Vices & Virtues to call back to AFYCSO pretty heavily. It felt like the Urie/Smith duo was trying to re-engage with the original thing fans fell in love with whereas Ross wanted to go further in the direction of P.O. and took their new band well out of the pop-punk wheelhouse that PATD thrived in. You can argue that neither duo should have kept the name but the duos split in June 2009. In August 2009 they had a contractual obligation to open Blink-182's Summer Tour. Urie/Smith did it. And after the tour, they kept the name. They'd already presented themselves, in public, as the remnants of P!ATD by doing the tour. Either way both sides retained the rights to play any P!ATD songs so long as they paid royalties to the other(s) -- so, in this case, Urie/Smith or Urie performs them and pays royalties on ticket sales or puts them online and pays on Spotify streams, etc. -- as all of P!ATD contributed at least some elements to the albums. Ross could perform the songs if he chose to do so. Since then, P!ATD -- which now is simply Urie due to Smith's unfortunate struggle with sobriety -- has kept up the showmanship, power, and the pop punk roots of the band. While he has an amazing voice and can play a ton of instruments, Urie's main contribution to "being P!ATD" is embodying the showmanship that built the Panic! brand in the first place with AFYCSO. He's a very good showman and that's the connective tissue between all his newer work and the original album. The band's changed some, becoming more smooth, more pop elements, added some jazz and big band elements, but it has been 16 years and 6 studio albums. All bands evolve in that time. If you don't like how they evolved that's cool. Personally, I wasn't much interested in Take A Vacation as I'm not into the 1st Wave BritPop sound. Tho, no, I don't think there would have been a reunion. Urie's been asked and he's answered with a straight "Nah". So, if P!ATD did ever reunite they'd have to do it without Urie. They might also have to fight for use of the name as when you don't use a trademark you lose it. Only Urie's kept using the trademark.
fwiw when i first heard pretty odd i instantly could recognize the similarities to the beatles specifically the Sgt. Pepper’s album. listen to sgt pepper’s and then PO and the inspiration is so striking. esp with songs like “Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band” (we’re so starving is literally EXACTLY like it, from the crowd cheering, festival/carnival theme to the perfect transition to the next song) and “Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite” which is totally psychedelic and carnival pop and reminds me a lot of songs like She Had the World. Sgt Pepper’s is a perfect example of a psychedelic baroque/carnival pop concept album and so is Pretty Odd so the inspiration/similarities are def there! i totally agree with the rest of your comment
It seriously had to grow on you. I remember being so disappointed when it came out. Like peak emo period and my favorite band went folk overnight. But the more I listened to it over the years, the more I loved it. It’s a mood for sure. It’s a great album and totally holds up today.
This is how I felt too, it's just so drastically different from their first album that it probably turned off a lot of people. I've grown to like and appricate pretty odd. over time as I got older
Same. I remember buying the album just because it was a panic album. But when i first listened to the songs I was like, what is this trash? But after listening to it repeatedly, I was like, hey I kinda love this afterall. For me, Fever and Pretty Odd are panic's masterpiece lol
Me too. This album was a big disappointment at first but they pulled it off so well I had no choice but to listen to it all the time and it grew on me. Never reached the amazing, psychedelic, over the top mish-mash of the styles and emotions of the first album but I have great memories of it still.
As you talk about the complete and total change in sound between the two albums, I think something that needs to be considered is how young these guys were when writing Fever. You grow up fast between 18 and 21. I appreciate them staying close to what they wanted to produce instead of what was expected of them to produce. It makes the music feel more authentic.
hearing those snippets of "it's true love" makes me long for cricket and clover so much OH MY GOD it sounds so cool. i would give a limb to hear those 5 demos
Jon Walker still has those demos, he tweeted about it maybe 1-2 years ago lol. However, I doubt he could have everyone from the band or label or whoever to consent on dropping it.
Ryan was the brains of the group. Brendon can write some good lyrics, but Panic! made two masterpieces when they left all the songwriting to Ryan. Panic! died when he left.
Ryan wrote lyrics for fever but Spencer and Brendon helped a ton. It was them a trio (Brent didn't do shit). Pretty. Odd. was written by the trio plus Jon. NOT just Ryan. It's insane how many people really think early Panic was all Ryan. It wasn't.
Sounds like what happened to MCR with Danger Days, scrapping a whole album and making an awesome album that was under appreciated for being weird or outside the warped tour sound
Even after all these years Pretty.Odd is still the best album to cruise to the beach with your windows down blasting. I really appreciated the shift in style back in the day, and I think this album is still my favorite from them.
Panic at The Disco was always weirdly synched with whatever I was into, with those first two albums at least. For the first one, I was getting into the emo phase and loved the aesthetic of the 1900’s - they make that album and it was a holy shit moment. Then with Pretty Odd, I was super into the Beatles and Alice in Wonderland and they release that, once again a holy shit moment... I remember Pretty Odd weirded a lot of people out, but me I was like “they’ve done it again ! 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 “ Me and Ryan Ross go through the same phases at the same time I guess 😹 EDIT: After watching the end and how you perfectly stated it still has people shook to this day lol I stopped listening to Panic after Pretty Odd, without realizing Ryan and John had left. I guess cos I had left my emo phase behind at that time. I remember when that song for Jennifer’s Body came out 2 years later (I think) and saw just Brendon and Spencer in the promo photos I was like “....” After that song I have no idea what was made, up until “High Hopes” cos everyone had to hear that against their will, when I saw it was only Brendon by then I was like “?!” Can’t wait to see the video you make explaining that one lol I always say I loved Panic at The Disco...when it was still 4 guys xD
I feel this 100%! I was emerging from an emo phase and more into psychedelic rock naturally and this album was so fundamental to my life because it showed “Hey the bands you love also grow and try new stuff, you don’t have to stay in the pop punk world.” Additionally, the press for this tour straight up changed my life. They covered The Weight by The Band during some live sessions and I went to the record store and bought 2 The Band albums… and that was it, I was on a whole new musical journey. The people who hate this album and era, to me, just really emphasize how much some don’t want our favorite artists to change. But y’all, that is sad, don’t ever project your expectations onto artists that you claim to love!
this album is so happy and refreshing but it makes me sad for some reason. maybe it’s because it’s the second and last true panic! at the disco record we got. or maybe it’s the emotion in the live performances. i’m not sure, but i think there definitely is a melancholic tone weaved into it. if i could describe pretty odd in one word, it would be bittersweet. but everything aside, this album is a masterpiece and ryan ross is a genius ;)
“You don’t have to worry we’re still the same band” is also borrowed heavily from the Beatles Concept album Sgt. peppers lonely hearts club band. They ripped off the Beatles admirably and with courage and a genuine heart. Pretty Odd is brilliant.
Pretty. Odd. Is one of the most special, weird, and wonderful albums I’ve ever listened to. No other album comes close to giving me the overwhelmingly positive feelings that this album always brings.
This album era was certainly interesting. At the time it felt like the perfect album for 19 year old me; I was very much starting to age out of the Hot Topic scene kid aesthetic and getting into more diverse and vintage sounds. The transitional period between my teenage emo years and my college age hipster years was just as awkward and abrupt as the change from Fever to Pretty Odd, so it kinda feels like a metaphor for my life, haha. Still love the album to this day, it’s such a unique snapshot in time.
This album came out during my senior year of high school. I absolutely loved it immediately. It just hit different. I love Northern Downpour so much. Great video.
Same lol. It's funny, that was the year I left my emo phase and started listening to classic shit, like Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Stones, Dylon, Kinks, The Doors, etc, then Panic released Pretty Odd 😂 It was the perfect fit for what I was into at the time. Love that album
I wish you mentioned the website before releasing Pretty odd, where they would show one piece of a puzzle a time, so you would have to guess the album name and what the album cover would look like :D I remember the hype :D
Or the weird MTV documentary they made in promo for the album. I find album cycle promotions so interesting! They had us looking through their website source codes for any information we could about the new album. It was really cool.
Pretty. Odd. wasn't really an album with a message or statement other than "we're going to make this music because we think it sounds good and that people might want to hear it" and I'm really ok with that, not every album has to have a message. For what it's worth Pretty. Odd. will always have a place in my heart for being genuinely good music that is well... odd. I think it's very cool that when faced with so much pressure and expectation for their second album panic! went "here's this album that isn't pop punk and it isn't emo and it isn't what we did before. its what we wanted to do and what we thought sounded good so we're releasing it."
@thecozyrepresentative rank the panic! Albums…. This is a major point of contention among the fandom lol Mine is: 1. AFYCSO 2. Vices & Virtues (extended) 3. Pretty odd 4. TWTLTRTD! 5. Death of a bachelor …. That’s it. There are no other albums by panic at the disco.
thats a good way to put it-- that it sounds more like a new beginning than a continuation because you're totally totally right. and we 100% needed more Ryan ross era content
so glad to see I wasn’t the only one digging this album then and honestly now it’s the only album I consistently come back too from them, Ryan leaving really changed a lot of what I thought separated them from similar acts
It’s True Love was performed live and you can see clips of Clover songs in Calender Business The Making of Pretty Odd the video that came with the Pretty Odd deluxe edition. It used to be in YT but it’s still on Vimeo.
If I remember right, Jon Walker said on Twitter a few years ago that everything done for Cricket and Clover is still sitting on a hard drive somewhere. I really hope we could hear some of those tracks someday, I'm in love with that demo of Nearly Witches. Pretty Odd is still such a bittersweet album for me, I love the songwriting and compositional choices and that's what makes it even more painful that it's the last we would see of Ryan and Jon era Panic.
I think the drastic jump from Fever to Pretty. Odd. is what makes the record great. In an era where so many bands sound the same (and have aged very poorly), I love that this band switched styles and explored a sound that plenty of people from their fanbase might find too old or "dad rock" sounding. When executed properly, folk and "dad rock" music is miles better than any pop punk record, and I appreciate that this band went in that territory.
One of my favorite albums!! I totally agree w/ you that despite the sun-shiney exterior, these songs feel dark and twisted and strange. I really appreciate the way you describe the music, both in this video and the previous video about A Fever You Can't Sweat Out. It's disappointing to read reviews of Pretty Odd from when it came out, because it seems like a lot of music critics at the time didn't take their music completely seriously (though I really liked the quote you included from the SPIN review). This album is so much more than Beatles pastiche.... Ryan's songwriting and Brendon's theatrical, gorgeous vocals combined with super lush and intricate production...aside from the nonsensical lyrics that just come across as goofy at times, this album is perfect in my opinion. Thanks for the video!
*pushes glasses up nose* The (presumably) demo version of Nearly Witches was also released on Fall Out Boy's Obama '08 mixtape "Welcome to the New Administration" under the pseudonym The Paul Revere Jumpsuit Apparatus but you better believe my 17-year-old ears knew Brendon Urie when they heard him
This album, Fever, and Vices will forever be some of the most comfy and nostalgic music to me. Its like a warm blanket that takes you right back to where you were when you were listening to bands like Panic, All Time Low, and MCR.
Ironically, Pretty. Odd. is an incredibly ambitious album for a mainstream pop act. It has so many shades of the Beatles and Beach Boys. Most music snobs i know, have come to love the album years later, and its aged really well. From my POV it was a masterpiece, and one of the best modern pop albums to come out of that decade. I was lucky enough to catch them on that tour, and was blown away by the whole production. So it makes me really sad that this record was such a sore spot for the band, and ultimately led to them disbanding. At least from the state where I lived, I remember many fans hating it because it wasn't dark/emo enough. While I respect Urie continuing the band after the fact, it's pretty much just a solo act. And it's sad to see him purposefully undo everything that the Pretty. Odd. era established. Even that stupid ! is back into the mix. And for what? Like what does it actually add? But him bringing it back was clearly a move to show he was trying to forget the Pretty. Odd. era.
This album made me change my whole perspective of music when it came out. My family didn’t listen to rock at all so I never grew up with classic bands like the Beatles or any classic rock at all, so my gut reaction was to hate it, but panic was my favorite band ever so I gave it a chance and loved it so much. I loved them even more for staying truly unpredictable and beyond talented lol Ryan Ross panic needed at least one more album 😩😩
I’ve always been confused as to why there is such denial of anything from Cricket and Clover existing, * cough cough, Brendon. * Anybody who has seen The Calendar Business: The making of Pretty.Odd., knows that there is in fact little snippets of some of the songs. I believe Ryan has said that the computer everything was on was ruined, but what about the footage? I find it hard to believe those few snippets we saw were it. Zack keeps literally everything. There haaaaaas to be more demos of those songs somewhere. SET THEM FREE
Jon Walker announed back in 2018 that he actually has most of the old demos. He is worried about leaking them though for CR reasons and presumably because there is probably a lot unflattering banter or something.
Jon brought this up again relatively recently. I think he probably has most of them and he’s been reminiscing on social media for quite some time now. Maybe one day!
You said no one was doing anything similar to Beatles worship music but The Black Parade is dark Sgt Pepper costume and Bowie/Queen music (both being heavily inspired by The Beatles)
The Black Parade isn't exactly sonicly Beatles, Queen or Bowie worship, it just takes rudametrary pieces from those artist and heavily filters it though MCR's emo rock and lyrical/stylistic asthetic. Pretty Odds worship in parts could almost be indistinguishable from something you'd hear on a Beatles or Stones album. Can't really say that for MCR
Have you ever thought about doing a video on Motion City Soundtrack? I’ve been saying for years that their songs were miles ahead of their contemporaries in the sense of maturity and wit. I think they never really caught on due to them being significantly older than most other bands in the scene coupled with their lyrics dealing with alcoholism and self loathing which was just a little too adult for most of their target audience.
Everything is Alright and My Favorite Accident really got to me a lot as a teenager. I felt like I was listening to something much more adult and honest and I loved it. My Favorite Accident still gives me goosebumps 15 years later.
@@Aster_Risk Check out Justin Courtney Pierre’s solo EP Anthropologist On Mars if you haven’t already. It was produced by Josh Cain so it sounds a hell of a lot like Commit This To Memory and I Am The Movie.
During the Rock Band tour Hot Topic sponsored a small show with them and The Cab in Boise. Tickets were "free" with the purchase of a t-shirt or CD and they played on a little grassy spot of the mall parking lot. They did a signing too but I didn't make it to that. Hands down, of the best shows I've ever been to. 😌
At first I didn't thought this album was gonna go well even after listening to AFYCSO. After giving it a chance, heard it many times, I thought this album was "pretty good" lol. I understand changing a new sound. My fav track from the album is mad as rabbits. Just the old panic brings back so many good memories. They were like my brothers growing up.
Been feeling very nostalgic for pre-split Panic lately. Pretty. Odd. remains as one of my favorite albums of all time. Wish to hear more music from Ryan Ross, he is a very talented songwriter.
I was so surprised to hear Folkin’ Around came from Cricket and Clover. It’s my favorite song (aside from She Had The World. They both have such a nostalgic feel to me) and idk, I guess I just wasn’t expecting it.
Pretty.odd. Was the album that got me into PATD. Makes sense since I am a huge fan of the Beatles. Man, I sure miss Ryan’s version of the band. Dude is a legend.
The SMiLE comparison to Cricket & Clover is as on point as it gets, at least for what we know about CAC; I can only hope it gets a similar treatment and Ryan can one day finish it for us to hear. And now that I mentioned Ryan, I can't think of anyone that of a musical genius at this type of music and at such a young age as Brian Wilson was too, it's kind of eerie how well this all fit.
ryan and jon both went on to create the record Take A Vacation! under the name The Young Veins with two other band members. Its has some of my favorite songs EVER, such as The Other Girl and Dangerous Blues. It takes the beatles inspired sounds of Pretty. Odd. and cranks it up to 40 with mildly depressing vibes and beautiful lyricism. just listen to the Young Veins plsss
can you imagine, I started to be fan of panic since pretty odd and heavily invested in everything they do. I feel like pretty odd ticks all the criteria I want in song and album and pretty odd is *the one* (as cliche as it sounds lol) I think i listen to this album everyday, I memorise every song lyrics. as much as the fun goes, a year later 2 members left 😭😭💀 that was a hell roller coaster ride. I was 14 when pretty odd came out, my English comprehension wasn't that great. when I listen to pretty odd, it left me speechless bcos I'm not sure if my English was that bad or the song just not convey that well?? 14 years later I could understand a bit. and recently I just revisited the album. play it in my car and holy cow how much nostalgia I got from just listened to it 😭😭 whoever haven't listened to this album yet, they has missed a huge great thing in life! I was very upset when Ryan and Jon left. although the production of the album has immensely gave them stress, yet they still look happy. Brendon really enjoy performing them. missing panic as a whole band ☹️☹️ poor Spencer he was battling with dr*gs & alc*hol... so he never tried drugs but somehow during pretty odd onwards, he kinda just abuse using them ever since 😳
It was crazy in 2006/2007 i was 16 and rocking all the EMo stuff but was also super into the Dresden dolls and then 2008 i was 17 turning 18 and discovered psychedelics and really got into the 60s got into the Beatles and went on a world tour visiting so many different countries. But i always hid that i loved this album Pretty. odd. Because people in the groups i ran in thought it was really corny but i loved it. Good to know people actually appreciate it now!
I’ve really enjoyed these “exploring the …. Era” videos. You do a great job. I look forward to seeing your videos on the vices era and fall out boy eras. I’ve been a panic fan since 05 and Pretty. Odd. Is my favorite of theirs. I love the era and the aesthetic as well. If you haven’t thought about a young veins exploration you should check them out!
just started listening to it this week and literally obsessed! after a year of listening to sgt pepper and magical mystery tour (i swear ryan took inspiration from paul mccartney's wardrobe from the time haha), you can see the inspiration on first listen lol. love the nonsensical lyrics, def have that ryan touch. going on one of your points, i really wished to have more ryan vocals in the songs (or in general, i tend to take a while to listen to stuff so really bummed to find two really good albums and not having much after that). nothing can top that feeling of listening to do you know what i'm seeing and behind the sea for the first time. ok ramble over!
Recently got a copy of The Young Veins Take a Vacation! on vinyl. Great album that Ryan and Jon did after the break up. Check it out if Pretty. Odd. is more your vibe 😎
i LOVED this video!! and i'm going to dump out my thoughts/feelings lol apologies for the ridiculously long comment this is the first video i've seen of yours and i really love how it's not just about the album, exploring the era is so valuable! this was my absolute favourite patd era, i got into them during afycso and i loved that era too, but 2007-2009 is when i was deeply obsessed and pretty. odd was probably the height. it's still one of my favourite albums ever, possibly my favourite 2000s album (which is saying something given that's when most of my favourite albums were released), and the appreciation it gets now is so validating bc it was criminally underappreciated back then. which is also why exploring this era matters to me! behind the sea and northern downpour in particular are still some of my very favourite songs. behind the sea is just transcendent to me and i loved what you said about it - especially about ryan's vocals! that made me so happy! i always ADORED ryan's voice, which was such an unpopular opinion at the time (in my experience, maybe i was extra sensitive to it lol) and getting to hear him on an actual album was exactly what i wanted. i really feel like pretty. odd showed ryan and brendon at their best, it was a perfect mix of what they brought to the band. and i just wanna touch on the fan reception bc oof. haha. the album definitely grew on people but my god so many fans hated it. it felt like literally everyone wanted afycso 2. i still remember when they first played true love and we were like wtf is this lmao, it was so unlike them, it seemed so uncomplicated and basic. and then omg when they randomly dropped we're so starving on january 1st. people were horrified lmao, after a few listens i got into it ironically and then i understood what they were doing, but given how little we knew about the album it really didn't seem like a good sign, it was such a step down from fever. everything so far felt, lyrically and conceptually, like a step down. we were so ready to be disappointed. and then nine in the afternoon!! and the album!! i was immediately in love with both, and i felt like an outlier - even if people liked it, it was always 'but afycso is better'. on the one hand i totally get it, i usually hate change, but on the other i can't imagine being pigeonholed into something you did as a teenager and being met with resistance from your core support when you experiment or change. (i do totally agree that they probably should've released at least some of the cabin demos as an ep; i feel like their/ryan's perfectionism - or maybe label interference?? - got in the way which i very much understand but am sad about.) and this was never going to be a band who stayed the same. (they also never did really fit with pop punk at all haha i'm glad you mentioned that!) (and ahhh the nearly witches demo! omfg i was obsessed with that when it was on the fob mixtape in late 2008! i was pleased with the eventual evolution onto vices & virtues but obviously it wasn't the same, that early demo was sooo good and i've always wanted to hear the rest of it. gah. i wish they'd done that one live instead of true love lol 😭) (also. the cottage core lesbians comment made me think. tbh... i feel like there's a vaguely queer reading to be made in a lot of pretty. odd. songs if one tried/wanted to see it. for me, at 18, just uncovering my own queerness, playing in the shallow end, i can see a lot of stuff in it that resonated with me then for that reason. which is very interesting to me but has always felt somewhat taboo to mention. so i'm burying it here in this long comment no one will bother to read lmao) also with touring - they toured australia in august 2008, they headlined with the academy is and cobra starship, two of my other fave bands - that was the first time i went to multiple dates of a tour and it was probably the best week of my life atp hahaha. seeing behind the sea live was my favourite live experience for the longest time :') anyway. that spin quote is so apt :') just, overall i feel like ryan deserves so much more credit than he got for what he did with those first two patd albums. like yeah his influences were always extremely obvious but he was very innovative and clever, especially given his age. i know he DOES get credit lmao but his creative vision was so immense and he was thrown into something incredibly intense (they all were) and i wish he was recognised on the same level as all of that. which is why this video made me so happy!!
Thank you for this video, this is everything I have ever wanted to say, Pretty. Odd. is a masterpiece and my favourite album of all time. It never gets old. Panic! should have ended when the split happened, for me personally that's when it did. Ryan was the heart of the band and I am so fucking gutted that he's not the one releasing regular albums and touring the world. He's so fucking talented and it's a waste, I live in the UK and my dream is to see him live, I swear to God I would get a loan and fly to the US haha. I waited patiently for John Frusciante to rejoin the Chili's and it actually happened, I just need to keep on manifesting the return of Ryan Ross haha.
To me this is their greatest musical achievement. This was my favourite album of all time for so long, but sadly 2 albums pushed them out of the top spot but it’s still third! I think not having a bridge between the two extremes was great! It made the band unpredictable and I think unpredictable is what a band needs to make interesting and complex music. I remember in 2016 when I got into panic I fell in love with Fever and Death of a Bachelor and thought Pretty. Odd. Was cool but that was only according to the single tracks. Then finally I got the album on CD and I kinda just fell into it. I think it was my first moment of really maturing, because I started to distance myself from most emo and punk music. Pretty. Odd. Was my gateway drug to psychedelic music, indie folk and experimental rock which are now my favourite genres and the Beatles worship led me to listen to the Beatles and now they are my favourite band ever. This album is a lyrical and musical triumph that no band in the scene at the time could of matched (Black Parade was the only album that got close, I do think it’s a better album but I prefer PO) Ryan Ross was the most interesting song writer in the world at that time and I just think if the band fell in line behind him what greatness they could of achieved. Instead we got a very good but foundational debut from The Young Veins which was never expanded upon, 3 very okay records from Brendon that all had a lot of problems in the musical and lyrical departments. One terrible fucking album in the form of Pray for the Wicked, and Ryan, who’s pretty much gone radio silent since 2011, but supposedly he has been working on a full length debut album since 2019 but the pandemic could have slowed that down. We are living in the worst reality possible
Oh and a PS: If the band did fall in line behind Ryan, I definitely think the band would’ve faded out of popular culture and became an indie band, pitchfork darlings but still would’ve had a little pop appeal but yeah. What could’ve been
Oh awesome! I remember the pretty odd days and thinking it was a cool album :-) you might mention it in the vid, but wasn't there also a scrapped record before pretty odd? Also I have officially watched every vid on the channel :-)
I thought I knew everything about panic until i watched your videos. such a detailed breakdown, your jokes had me cracking up too, love you content man!
holy cow. i remember hearing a live version of the demo it's true love and it gets stuck in my head at random times to this day. i remember my 12 year old self was disappointed it didn't make the album. i remember sitting on the floor in my room with my cd player after getting home from best buy on release day. definitely cried when hearing norther downpour - remains my favorite on the album. i think about the line from she had the world "i don't love you, i'm just passing the time" quite often - definitely speaks to the dating app culture of today. this album is gold. if i ever mention panic, my mother says they only ever had 1 good album (this one). it's the beatles vibe for her. side note: the hulu documentary thing with paul mccartney that was released recently was super interesting. highly recommend. gave me a newfound respect for the beatles. speaking of my mother, july 6th is her birthday and she likes to renew her license on her birthday. she had dragged myself and my sister to the dmv with her and we were walking to the car when i got a text message from twitter (remember when you could get the tweets you followed texted to you?) on my flip phone about the split up and i immediately went into oh no oh no oh no mode. i felt very bad for being such a downer on my mother's birthday. how pathetic that i still remember that! i still have my northern downpour membership card... (and my santi's little helper card too)
Great video! Was never a big Panic fan, but when they dropped Pretty Odd I thought it was so different than anything released on the scene at the time and a really great throwback to a Beatles sounding era. Always thought it was really underrated and was curious of the story behind it.
I saw Ryan Ross perform Northern Downpour for the first time in nearly 10 years during the Dead End Kids Club tour in 2019. It feels like such a niche flex. Got to meet him too, Ryan's such a sweet guy.
Thoughts: - It’s so funny that Forgive Durden did a musical album the following year after the cabin album was scrapped! - Danny Elfman almost produced Pretty Odd, fun fact - On the Jon Walker Podcast, it was revealed that Jon actually wrote Nine in the Afternoon in 2003 - Pretty Odd remains my favourite Ryan Ross era album (because nothing afterwards matters) and I miss being 15 and analysing those lyrics for fun 🤣
As a huge Beatles nerd, I really don’t think that Pretty. Odd. is that much of a “Beatles worship” album. It’s what people who don’t listen to The Beatles think that The Beatles sound like, but they never put anything out that sounded like this. If anything, Pretty Odd is a Beach Boys’ Pet Sounds worship album. I still don’t think that’s true tho. I think this album just wanted to be an album version of Alice in Wonderland
@ptrckwntz!atthedisco i think We're So Starving/Nine In The Afternoon definitely is, but I don't really feel like much else from the album resembles the Beatles
Great job with this video, I was obsessed with this album when it came out and I still love it so much. I definitely think you could have gone deeper into examples of how this album is reminiscent of The Beatles and 60s/70s music (which I think I’m gonna include as a reply to my own comment). Also, could have mentioned that The Young Veins had a song called “Cape Town” when mentioning that last tour in Cape Town, just as a little fun fact. But really the only thing I tend to disagree with people with this album is: You mentioned needing an album between Fever and Pretty. Odd. to “bridge the gap”, but I feel like the 2nd half of Fever is that bridge. Fever goes from electo-pop punk to vaudeville circus, that’s a MUCH bigger leap than going from vaudeville circus to psychedelic fairytale. And putting Cricket and Clover between them would have added to the whiplash people had about their change in sound. I also adamantly believe that if PATD had continued to dress the same from Fever to PO, people wouldn’t have noticed or minded the change as much.
take a vacation by the young veins is equally if not more panic (ryan + jon + ryan's lyrics) than the actual panic albums from this point on. way better too :)
making the choice to listen to pretty odd at the age of 12 has formed so many of my interests and personality traits lmfaoo. im not even joking, and its still one of my favorite albums of all time. i love p!atd as a whole, and even went to a concert two years ago, but pretty odd is above all of their music, in my opinion. i hold it so closely to my heart.
I really love these videos. I would love to see another video about panic at the disco that moreso goes through their whole career, kind of like the never shout never video. Goes through the drama they've been through on top of their musical career. would be really cool to watch!
First album I bought and a fucking masterpiece
My fav panic album
that's so awesome!! I had been out of high school for a year or two when Pretty. Odd. came out + I remember rushing to buy it the day it came out. Loved it then, even after being obsessed w Fever in HS. love it even more now. so amazing to see this band transcending age/ different generations + that their music means so much to so many of us
Hello Johnnie (^._.^)ﾉ
that’s awesome man, my first album I bought, not my first rock related record I owned but first that I bought with my money was for my 13th birthday I got some money and I bought What It Is To Burn by Finch, this was in 2003, man they were such an underrated band
oh hey
I honestly think that the huge gap difference between the first and second album is what makes them great. They were able to pull this album off SO well. They're able to wear different faces and make it work for them. Pretty. Odd. has always been my favorite PATD album. Ryan Ross brought SO much talent to this group. Brendan Urie is great, don't get me wrong, but Ryan AND Brendan together? You just can't beat that.
avey tare and panda bear >
*Brendon bruhh 🤦♀️
@@mariyastoyanova31 why do u care
Brendon*
To me, the emotional shift between fever and pretty odd always made sense, seeing how young they were when creating fever and how young they still were, but also significantly older they were when creating fever. Fever was the teenage rage and self grandiousness (this one carried on to the cabin album), while pretty odd was the freedom of a young adult underpined by all the baggage still carried.
please do the young veins too!! we need more ryan ross content
yes please!
yes please cozy we need this!
underrated album. I love cape town
Agreed
Personally, I feel like when Ryan and Jon left, Panic was no more. There was the Brendon and Spencer era but that was short lived, and wasn't really interesting in my opinion. To me, its just The Brendon Urie Solo Project now. Panic At The Disco to me will ALWAYS be Ryan, Brendon, Spencer, and Jon.
I agree. Everything after Pretty Odd was pretty mediocre IMO
Now it's just Brendon at the Broadway.
PATD lastest album was horrible (the grammy winner one 💀) but imo Vices and Virtues and Too Weird To Live To Rare To Die were amazing. A couple of songs on Death Of The Bachelor were great too. I really can’t say I don’t like the post-Ryan songs.
I liked the Dallon Era Panic, but it too was short lived. Only one album (Too Weird to live..). Vices and Virtues was okay, some songs like Sarah Smiles, Ballad of Mona Lisa, and Nearly Witches were really good. He should have dropped the name after Spencer left, keeping the name in my eyes would be like if Dave Grohl were to call his band "Nirvana" or if Paul McCartney would go around touring as "the Beatles", it just doesn't feel right to me.
@@Tom-bs3zh Well it's clear he's keeping it for brand recognition.
Pretty. Odd. 🤝 Folie à Deux
✨Being their bands' best AND most controversial album✨
Wait, Folie à Deux *isn't* universally loved?? I'm not into Fall Out Boy enough to know a lot about their history, but most of my favorite FOB songs come from that album, it never ocurred to me that it was their Pretty. Odd. lol
@@mariaah3073 Ohhhh yeah, when it came out everyone HATED it because it was their hugest departure from their original sound. I mean, the features aren’t listed, but there IS a Lil Wayne feature and some production from Pharrell, so she is an oddball for sure. But it’s my fav and sounds like one of yours too, thankfully there’s a lot more love for it in the fandom now (just like Pretty. Odd.) and I think it’s maybe due to the fact that we’re used to both bands having wayyyy more commercial sounds now, so it’s not as huge of a shock? She’s My Winona, Headfirst Slide, What a Catch, 20 Dollar Nosebleed, all top tier FOB tracks imo!
@@mariaah3073 it kinda is
It just wasn't at the time
It didn't sell well at all compared to their prior two albums
Pretty.Odd is loved even though it's so much different from Panic's debut album. While Folie is kinda hated by some fans.
Pretty Odd is such an underrated era (I'm also biased because this is the era that I saw live, and it remains one of my favorite concert memories) and was such a bold move - I mean, a Myspace scene band going from baroque electro-pop to Beatelesque 60's nostalgia, AND doing it well? Who knew. I only hope we hear more material like this now that Ryan's apparently returned to making music...
The amount of respect I feel for you every time you refer to P!ATD as "Ryan's band" is unexplainable......I cannot wrap my head around how it's possible that there are actually people who claim 2b huge fans of AFYCSO yet give Brendan the credit for everything including lyrics & think it was always Brendan's band...It irks me 2 the core... Ryans always been UNDERRATED but more now than ever. He's a musical genius. I love how smart & interesting his writing is.
Even tho Brendan's the lead vocalist I feel like Ryan was the frontman. Just like Pete Wentz is to FOB. Especially in the AFYCSO era. He was usually the lead speaker in interviews, was the artistic visionary behind the music & lyrics. It was HIS band. & That's why nothing Brendan has done since compares 2 P!ATD. I don't think it was right 2 keep the name. Ryan did an interview expressing his negative feelings 4 Brendan continuing as Panic & still performing the songs he wrote.
I 2 love Ryan's voice & wish he sang more on PO & that sounded more similar 2 the live performances of it cuz I love how Ryan actually has lines in the live shows & the contrast between thier voices is perfection. I also wish there had been @least 1 more P!ATD album w/Ryan: the genius of P!ATD. I agree a bridge would've been gr8. It irks me how it seems like Ryan's wasted his talent 4 so many years since after Take A Vacation & given up. I feel like if Brendan hadn't continued using the name there would've been a reunion by now & probably even an album cuz of 2019 when Spencer, Jon, & Ryan said they missed performing w/ their friends & missed the band.
Idk why people always compare PO to The Beatles. IMO Take A Vacation sounds like The Beatles but PO? Not really....only hear influences of em.
If u haven't heard 'Where I Belong' by Ryan Ross, check it out. IMO it's his best solo song. He Wears his heart on his sleeve in it & expresses his feelings on 2009-2015 career wise.
BTW THANK YOU!!!! I hadn't ever heard any of AFYCSO or PRETTY ODD besides Lying Is The Most Fun & I Write Sins until the video u did on the bands start & the way u put alot of focus on Ryan & refered to him as a genius intrigued me so I got the vinyl of AFYCSO & PO the next day & became a big P!ATD 05-09 fan thanks 2U! 2nd time I've found a top 5 album through someone on RUclips. 1st was The Black Parade cuz of ARTV & now AFYCSO cuz of u.
Wish Ryan would put out some more music
Well…. Brendan has written the past 3 albums of P!ATD…. And they were amazing. Brendan is an amazing song writer as well, and I absolutely love the direction he’s taken the band in. To be completely honest, I’m not sure P!ATD would still even be relevant, if it weren’t for Brendans song writing these past 3 albums.
I don't think you would have gotten a different result from the core P!ATD fanbase even if Brendon Urie & Spencer Smith had picked a new name for their duo at the same time that Ryan Ross & Jon Walker changed theirs to The Young Veins. Ultimately, The Young Veins was a psychedelic, 1st wave BritPop(1960s-ish) inspired band musically while P!ATD, under Urie & Smith, used Vices & Virtues to call back to AFYCSO pretty heavily. It felt like the Urie/Smith duo was trying to re-engage with the original thing fans fell in love with whereas Ross wanted to go further in the direction of P.O. and took their new band well out of the pop-punk wheelhouse that PATD thrived in.
You can argue that neither duo should have kept the name but the duos split in June 2009. In August 2009 they had a contractual obligation to open Blink-182's Summer Tour. Urie/Smith did it. And after the tour, they kept the name. They'd already presented themselves, in public, as the remnants of P!ATD by doing the tour. Either way both sides retained the rights to play any P!ATD songs so long as they paid royalties to the other(s) -- so, in this case, Urie/Smith or Urie performs them and pays royalties on ticket sales or puts them online and pays on Spotify streams, etc. -- as all of P!ATD contributed at least some elements to the albums. Ross could perform the songs if he chose to do so.
Since then, P!ATD -- which now is simply Urie due to Smith's unfortunate struggle with sobriety -- has kept up the showmanship, power, and the pop punk roots of the band. While he has an amazing voice and can play a ton of instruments, Urie's main contribution to "being P!ATD" is embodying the showmanship that built the Panic! brand in the first place with AFYCSO. He's a very good showman and that's the connective tissue between all his newer work and the original album. The band's changed some, becoming more smooth, more pop elements, added some jazz and big band elements, but it has been 16 years and 6 studio albums. All bands evolve in that time. If you don't like how they evolved that's cool. Personally, I wasn't much interested in Take A Vacation as I'm not into the 1st Wave BritPop sound.
Tho, no, I don't think there would have been a reunion. Urie's been asked and he's answered with a straight "Nah". So, if P!ATD did ever reunite they'd have to do it without Urie. They might also have to fight for use of the name as when you don't use a trademark you lose it. Only Urie's kept using the trademark.
fwiw when i first heard pretty odd i instantly could recognize the similarities to the beatles specifically the Sgt. Pepper’s album. listen to sgt pepper’s and then PO and the inspiration is so striking. esp with songs like “Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band” (we’re so starving is literally EXACTLY like it, from the crowd cheering, festival/carnival theme to the perfect transition to the next song) and “Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite” which is totally psychedelic and carnival pop and reminds me a lot of songs like She Had the World. Sgt Pepper’s is a perfect example of a psychedelic baroque/carnival pop concept album and so is Pretty Odd so the inspiration/similarities are def there! i totally agree with the rest of your comment
@@anakaliahaoa2551 This is spot on!
It seriously had to grow on you. I remember being so disappointed when it came out. Like peak emo period and my favorite band went folk overnight. But the more I listened to it over the years, the more I loved it. It’s a mood for sure. It’s a great album and totally holds up today.
This is how I felt too, it's just so drastically different from their first album that it probably turned off a lot of people. I've grown to like and appricate pretty odd. over time as I got older
It never grew on me, because I just don't find the songs interesting. A lot of people love it, but it wasn't for many of us.
Same. I remember buying the album just because it was a panic album. But when i first listened to the songs I was like, what is this trash? But after listening to it repeatedly, I was like, hey I kinda love this afterall. For me, Fever and Pretty Odd are panic's masterpiece lol
Me too. This album was a big disappointment at first but they pulled it off so well I had no choice but to listen to it all the time and it grew on me. Never reached the amazing, psychedelic, over the top mish-mash of the styles and emotions of the first album but I have great memories of it still.
As you talk about the complete and total change in sound between the two albums, I think something that needs to be considered is how young these guys were when writing Fever. You grow up fast between 18 and 21. I appreciate them staying close to what they wanted to produce instead of what was expected of them to produce. It makes the music feel more authentic.
hearing those snippets of "it's true love" makes me long for cricket and clover so much OH MY GOD it sounds so cool. i would give a limb to hear those 5 demos
Jon Walker still has those demos, he tweeted about it maybe 1-2 years ago lol. However, I doubt he could have everyone from the band or label or whoever to consent on dropping it.
@@iPatkice I wonder if now that Panic? is no more if it'll come out. Why not at this point?
Ryan was the brains of the group. Brendon can write some good lyrics, but Panic! made two masterpieces when they left all the songwriting to Ryan. Panic! died when he left.
But Ryan didn’t write all of Pretty Odd. Brendon wrote 2 songs and it’s my understanding everyone contributed on Pretty Odd.
Ryan wrote lyrics for fever but Spencer and Brendon helped a ton. It was them a trio (Brent didn't do shit). Pretty. Odd. was written by the trio plus Jon. NOT just Ryan. It's insane how many people really think early Panic was all Ryan. It wasn't.
Well, they said "Swear to shake it up, you swear to listen".. you had to expect more experimental stuff
Sounds like what happened to MCR with Danger Days, scrapping a whole album and making an awesome album that was under appreciated for being weird or outside the warped tour sound
Even after all these years Pretty.Odd is still the best album to cruise to the beach with your windows down blasting.
I really appreciated the shift in style back in the day, and I think this album is still my favorite from them.
I love this album so much still
Panic at The Disco was always weirdly synched with whatever I was into, with those first two albums at least. For the first one, I was getting into the emo phase and loved the aesthetic of the 1900’s - they make that album and it was a holy shit moment. Then with Pretty Odd, I was super into the Beatles and Alice in Wonderland and they release that, once again a holy shit moment...
I remember Pretty Odd weirded a lot of people out, but me I was like “they’ve done it again ! 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 “ Me and Ryan Ross go through the same phases at the same time I guess 😹
EDIT: After watching the end and how you perfectly stated it still has people shook to this day lol I stopped listening to Panic after Pretty Odd, without realizing Ryan and John had left. I guess cos I had left my emo phase behind at that time. I remember when that song for Jennifer’s Body came out 2 years later (I think) and saw just Brendon and Spencer in the promo photos I was like “....” After that song I have no idea what was made, up until “High Hopes” cos everyone had to hear that against their will, when I saw it was only Brendon by then I was like “?!” Can’t wait to see the video you make explaining that one lol
I always say I loved Panic at The Disco...when it was still 4 guys xD
I feel this 100%! I was emerging from an emo phase and more into psychedelic rock naturally and this album was so fundamental to my life because it showed “Hey the bands you love also grow and try new stuff, you don’t have to stay in the pop punk world.” Additionally, the press for this tour straight up changed my life. They covered The Weight by The Band during some live sessions and I went to the record store and bought 2 The Band albums… and that was it, I was on a whole new musical journey.
The people who hate this album and era, to me, just really emphasize how much some don’t want our favorite artists to change. But y’all, that is sad, don’t ever project your expectations onto artists that you claim to love!
this album is so happy and refreshing but it makes me sad for some reason. maybe it’s because it’s the second and last true panic! at the disco record we got. or maybe it’s the emotion in the live performances. i’m not sure, but i think there definitely is a melancholic tone weaved into it. if i could describe pretty odd in one word, it would be bittersweet. but everything aside, this album is a masterpiece and ryan ross is a genius ;)
“You don’t have to worry we’re still the same band” is also borrowed heavily from the Beatles Concept album Sgt. peppers lonely hearts club band. They ripped off the Beatles admirably and with courage and a genuine heart. Pretty Odd is brilliant.
this is where the fun begins
Hello there!
Damn where have you been?! Lol
but a welcome one
Consuming Ryan Ross and Panic! contents in 2021 really just makes me emotional lol I miss Ryan a lot
Pretty. Odd. Is one of the most special, weird, and wonderful albums I’ve ever listened to. No other album comes close to giving me the overwhelmingly positive feelings that this album always brings.
One of my favorite albums by them so great. When The Day Met The Night is such a beautiful song.
I am so ready. I love the Ryan/Brendon dynamic duo vibe. They really were quite the pair
This album era was certainly interesting. At the time it felt like the perfect album for 19 year old me; I was very much starting to age out of the Hot Topic scene kid aesthetic and getting into more diverse and vintage sounds. The transitional period between my teenage emo years and my college age hipster years was just as awkward and abrupt as the change from Fever to Pretty Odd, so it kinda feels like a metaphor for my life, haha. Still love the album to this day, it’s such a unique snapshot in time.
This album came out during my senior year of high school. I absolutely loved it immediately. It just hit different. I love Northern Downpour so much. Great video.
Same lol. It's funny, that was the year I left my emo phase and started listening to classic shit, like Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Stones, Dylon, Kinks, The Doors, etc, then Panic released Pretty Odd 😂 It was the perfect fit for what I was into at the time. Love that album
I wish you mentioned the website before releasing Pretty odd, where they would show one piece of a puzzle a time, so you would have to guess the album name and what the album cover would look like :D I remember the hype :D
That’s so true!
omg are there any pictures from that website?
Or the weird MTV documentary they made in promo for the album. I find album cycle promotions so interesting! They had us looking through their website source codes for any information we could about the new album. It was really cool.
Pretty. Odd. wasn't really an album with a message or statement other than "we're going to make this music because we think it sounds good and that people might want to hear it" and I'm really ok with that, not every album has to have a message. For what it's worth Pretty. Odd. will always have a place in my heart for being genuinely good music that is well... odd. I think it's very cool that when faced with so much pressure and expectation for their second album panic! went "here's this album that isn't pop punk and it isn't emo and it isn't what we did before. its what we wanted to do and what we thought sounded good so we're releasing it."
I hope one day 10-15 years from now, we see a Brendon & Ryan reunion for a weezer worship album called “the panic album”
I really hope nothing like that ever happens.
My wet dream
I think Panic was best when they were together, I hope that happens, but I doubt it.
@thecozyrepresentative rank the panic! Albums…. This is a major point of contention among the fandom lol
Mine is:
1. AFYCSO
2. Vices & Virtues (extended)
3. Pretty odd
4. TWTLTRTD!
5. Death of a bachelor
…. That’s it.
There are no other albums by panic at the disco.
@@NameBrandCody we don’t talk about pray for the wicked…
Honestly? I'd sell my kidney to hear a finished version of cricket and clover
me too
thats a good way to put it-- that it sounds more like a new beginning than a continuation because you're totally totally right. and we 100% needed more Ryan ross era content
so glad to see I wasn’t the only one digging this album then and honestly now it’s the only album I consistently come back too from them, Ryan leaving really changed a lot of what I thought separated them from similar acts
It’s True Love was performed live and you can see clips of Clover songs in Calender Business The Making of Pretty Odd the video that came with the Pretty Odd deluxe edition. It used to be in YT but it’s still on Vimeo.
thank you! this is still one of my all time fave album. it sounds so seamless esp the outro of I Have Friends in Holy Spaces to Northern Downpour.
If I remember right, Jon Walker said on Twitter a few years ago that everything done for Cricket and Clover is still sitting on a hard drive somewhere. I really hope we could hear some of those tracks someday, I'm in love with that demo of Nearly Witches. Pretty Odd is still such a bittersweet album for me, I love the songwriting and compositional choices and that's what makes it even more painful that it's the last we would see of Ryan and Jon era Panic.
Are you going to do this for every album? :)
I second this!!!!
pls!!!
I think the drastic jump from Fever to Pretty. Odd. is what makes the record great. In an era where so many bands sound the same (and have aged very poorly), I love that this band switched styles and explored a sound that plenty of people from their fanbase might find too old or "dad rock" sounding. When executed properly, folk and "dad rock" music is miles better than any pop punk record, and I appreciate that this band went in that territory.
One of my favorite albums!! I totally agree w/ you that despite the sun-shiney exterior, these songs feel dark and twisted and strange. I really appreciate the way you describe the music, both in this video and the previous video about A Fever You Can't Sweat Out. It's disappointing to read reviews of Pretty Odd from when it came out, because it seems like a lot of music critics at the time didn't take their music completely seriously (though I really liked the quote you included from the SPIN review). This album is so much more than Beatles pastiche.... Ryan's songwriting and Brendon's theatrical, gorgeous vocals combined with super lush and intricate production...aside from the nonsensical lyrics that just come across as goofy at times, this album is perfect in my opinion. Thanks for the video!
This album will always be my favorite of theirs. A masterpiece in my opinion.
favorite album of theirs! awesome video as always
*pushes glasses up nose* The (presumably) demo version of Nearly Witches was also released on Fall Out Boy's Obama '08 mixtape "Welcome to the New Administration" under the pseudonym The Paul Revere Jumpsuit Apparatus but you better believe my 17-year-old ears knew Brendon Urie when they heard him
YES!! so bummed i totally forgot about that while making this vid haha. that mixtape was wiiiiiiild
This album, Fever, and Vices will forever be some of the most comfy and nostalgic music to me. Its like a warm blanket that takes you right back to where you were when you were listening to bands like Panic, All Time Low, and MCR.
He left his heart in capetown
Ironically, Pretty. Odd. is an incredibly ambitious album for a mainstream pop act. It has so many shades of the Beatles and Beach Boys. Most music snobs i know, have come to love the album years later, and its aged really well.
From my POV it was a masterpiece, and one of the best modern pop albums to come out of that decade. I was lucky enough to catch them on that tour, and was blown away by the whole production.
So it makes me really sad that this record was such a sore spot for the band, and ultimately led to them disbanding. At least from the state where I lived, I remember many fans hating it because it wasn't dark/emo enough. While I respect Urie continuing the band after the fact, it's pretty much just a solo act. And it's sad to see him purposefully undo everything that the Pretty. Odd. era established.
Even that stupid ! is back into the mix. And for what? Like what does it actually add? But him bringing it back was clearly a move to show he was trying to forget the Pretty. Odd. era.
This album made me change my whole perspective of music when it came out. My family didn’t listen to rock at all so I never grew up with classic bands like the Beatles or any classic rock at all, so my gut reaction was to hate it, but panic was my favorite band ever so I gave it a chance and loved it so much. I loved them even more for staying truly unpredictable and beyond talented lol Ryan Ross panic needed at least one more album 😩😩
Honorable mention of New Perspective from Jennifer’s Body lol I always group it with Pretty Odd era
I’ve always been confused as to why there is such denial of anything from Cricket and Clover existing, * cough cough, Brendon. * Anybody who has seen The Calendar Business: The making of Pretty.Odd., knows that there is in fact little snippets of some of the songs. I believe Ryan has said that the computer everything was on was ruined, but what about the footage? I find it hard to believe those few snippets we saw were it. Zack keeps literally everything. There haaaaaas to be more demos of those songs somewhere. SET THEM FREE
Jon Walker announed back in 2018 that he actually has most of the old demos. He is worried about leaking them though for CR reasons and presumably because there is probably a lot unflattering banter or something.
Jon brought this up again relatively recently. I think he probably has most of them and he’s been reminiscing on social media for quite some time now. Maybe one day!
This album is amazing. Really showed their talent with this sophomore effort
You said no one was doing anything similar to Beatles worship music but The Black Parade is dark Sgt Pepper costume and Bowie/Queen music (both being heavily inspired by The Beatles)
The Black Parade isn't exactly sonicly Beatles, Queen or Bowie worship, it just takes rudametrary pieces from those artist and heavily filters it though MCR's emo rock and lyrical/stylistic asthetic. Pretty Odds worship in parts could almost be indistinguishable from something you'd hear on a Beatles or Stones album. Can't really say that for MCR
Okay but I 100% wanna see this series continue till @ least Vices and Virues
Missed a t whoops
I lost MY MIND when they dropped the exclamation point, 17 year old me was enraged
I was a such a burnout at 18 that I didn't even notice they threw out the exclamation point 🤣🤣
I miss Fever and Pretty Odd Era, but still love brendon's new songs 😭
Have you ever thought about doing a video on Motion City Soundtrack? I’ve been saying for years that their songs were miles ahead of their contemporaries in the sense of maturity and wit. I think they never really caught on due to them being significantly older than most other bands in the scene coupled with their lyrics dealing with alcoholism and self loathing which was just a little too adult for most of their target audience.
Everything is Alright and My Favorite Accident really got to me a lot as a teenager. I felt like I was listening to something much more adult and honest and I loved it. My Favorite Accident still gives me goosebumps 15 years later.
@@Aster_Risk Check out Justin Courtney Pierre’s solo EP Anthropologist On Mars if you haven’t already. It was produced by Josh Cain so it sounds a hell of a lot like Commit This To Memory and I Am The Movie.
During the Rock Band tour Hot Topic sponsored a small show with them and The Cab in Boise. Tickets were "free" with the purchase of a t-shirt or CD and they played on a little grassy spot of the mall parking lot. They did a signing too but I didn't make it to that. Hands down, of the best shows I've ever been to. 😌
At first I didn't thought this album was gonna go well even after listening to AFYCSO. After giving it a chance, heard it many times, I thought this album was "pretty good" lol. I understand changing a new sound. My fav track from the album is mad as rabbits. Just the old panic brings back so many good memories. They were like my brothers growing up.
genuinely one of my favourite albums ever. Every time I feel down it just puts a smile on my face ♥
Been feeling very nostalgic for pre-split Panic lately. Pretty. Odd. remains as one of my favorite albums of all time. Wish to hear more music from Ryan Ross, he is a very talented songwriter.
I was so surprised to hear Folkin’ Around came from Cricket and Clover. It’s my favorite song (aside from She Had The World. They both have such a nostalgic feel to me) and idk, I guess I just wasn’t expecting it.
Pretty.odd. Was the album that got me into PATD. Makes sense since I am a huge fan of the Beatles. Man, I sure miss Ryan’s version of the band. Dude is a legend.
when you said "cape town" i had a physical reaction even after all these years. oh my gosh hahaha
Dude, I only got into panic! 2 years ago. I’m even upset about that break up.
Cozy came through with the Pretty Odd video! 😁😁😁
in conclusion, ryan ross
Even though it’s a shame that Ryan and Jon left after Pretty Odd album- I still love Panic even if it’s only Brendon in it. Haha
The SMiLE comparison to Cricket & Clover is as on point as it gets, at least for what we know about CAC; I can only hope it gets a similar treatment and Ryan can one day finish it for us to hear. And now that I mentioned Ryan, I can't think of anyone that of a musical genius at this type of music and at such a young age as Brian Wilson was too, it's kind of eerie how well this all fit.
ryan and jon both went on to create the record Take A Vacation! under the name The Young Veins with two other band members. Its has some of my favorite songs EVER, such as The Other Girl and Dangerous Blues. It takes the beatles inspired sounds of Pretty. Odd. and cranks it up to 40 with mildly depressing vibes and beautiful lyricism. just listen to the Young Veins plsss
Was waiting for this since the afycso video
can you imagine, I started to be fan of panic since pretty odd and heavily invested in everything they do. I feel like pretty odd ticks all the criteria I want in song and album
and pretty odd is *the one* (as cliche as it sounds lol) I think i listen to this album everyday, I memorise every song lyrics. as much as the fun goes, a year later 2 members left 😭😭💀 that was a hell roller coaster ride. I was 14 when pretty odd came out, my English comprehension wasn't that great. when I listen to pretty odd, it left me speechless bcos I'm not sure if my English was that bad or the song just not convey that well??
14 years later I could understand a bit. and recently I just revisited the album. play it in my car and holy cow how much nostalgia I got from just listened to it 😭😭 whoever haven't listened to this album yet, they has missed a huge great thing in life! I was very upset when Ryan and Jon left. although the production of the album has immensely gave them stress, yet they still look happy. Brendon really enjoy performing them. missing panic as a whole band ☹️☹️ poor Spencer he was battling with dr*gs & alc*hol... so he never tried drugs but somehow during pretty odd onwards, he kinda just abuse using them ever since 😳
It was crazy in 2006/2007 i was 16 and rocking all the EMo stuff but was also super into the Dresden dolls and then 2008 i was 17 turning 18 and discovered psychedelics and really got into the 60s got into the Beatles and went on a world tour visiting so many different countries. But i always hid that i loved this album Pretty. odd. Because people in the groups i ran in thought it was really corny but i loved it. Good to know people actually appreciate it now!
I’ve really enjoyed these “exploring the …. Era” videos. You do a great job. I look forward to seeing your videos on the vices era and fall out boy eras.
I’ve been a panic fan since 05 and Pretty. Odd. Is my favorite of theirs. I love the era and the aesthetic as well. If you haven’t thought about a young veins exploration you should check them out!
just started listening to it this week and literally obsessed! after a year of listening to sgt pepper and magical mystery tour (i swear ryan took inspiration from paul mccartney's wardrobe from the time haha), you can see the inspiration on first listen lol. love the nonsensical lyrics, def have that ryan touch. going on one of your points, i really wished to have more ryan vocals in the songs (or in general, i tend to take a while to listen to stuff so really bummed to find two really good albums and not having much after that). nothing can top that feeling of listening to do you know what i'm seeing and behind the sea for the first time. ok ramble over!
Recently got a copy of The Young Veins Take a Vacation! on vinyl. Great album that Ryan and Jon did after the break up. Check it out if Pretty. Odd. is more your vibe 😎
i LOVED this video!! and i'm going to dump out my thoughts/feelings lol apologies for the ridiculously long comment
this is the first video i've seen of yours and i really love how it's not just about the album, exploring the era is so valuable! this was my absolute favourite patd era, i got into them during afycso and i loved that era too, but 2007-2009 is when i was deeply obsessed and pretty. odd was probably the height. it's still one of my favourite albums ever, possibly my favourite 2000s album (which is saying something given that's when most of my favourite albums were released), and the appreciation it gets now is so validating bc it was criminally underappreciated back then. which is also why exploring this era matters to me!
behind the sea and northern downpour in particular are still some of my very favourite songs. behind the sea is just transcendent to me and i loved what you said about it - especially about ryan's vocals! that made me so happy! i always ADORED ryan's voice, which was such an unpopular opinion at the time (in my experience, maybe i was extra sensitive to it lol) and getting to hear him on an actual album was exactly what i wanted. i really feel like pretty. odd showed ryan and brendon at their best, it was a perfect mix of what they brought to the band.
and i just wanna touch on the fan reception bc oof. haha. the album definitely grew on people but my god so many fans hated it. it felt like literally everyone wanted afycso 2. i still remember when they first played true love and we were like wtf is this lmao, it was so unlike them, it seemed so uncomplicated and basic. and then omg when they randomly dropped we're so starving on january 1st. people were horrified lmao, after a few listens i got into it ironically and then i understood what they were doing, but given how little we knew about the album it really didn't seem like a good sign, it was such a step down from fever. everything so far felt, lyrically and conceptually, like a step down. we were so ready to be disappointed. and then nine in the afternoon!! and the album!! i was immediately in love with both, and i felt like an outlier - even if people liked it, it was always 'but afycso is better'. on the one hand i totally get it, i usually hate change, but on the other i can't imagine being pigeonholed into something you did as a teenager and being met with resistance from your core support when you experiment or change. (i do totally agree that they probably should've released at least some of the cabin demos as an ep; i feel like their/ryan's perfectionism - or maybe label interference?? - got in the way which i very much understand but am sad about.) and this was never going to be a band who stayed the same. (they also never did really fit with pop punk at all haha i'm glad you mentioned that!)
(and ahhh the nearly witches demo! omfg i was obsessed with that when it was on the fob mixtape in late 2008! i was pleased with the eventual evolution onto vices & virtues but obviously it wasn't the same, that early demo was sooo good and i've always wanted to hear the rest of it. gah. i wish they'd done that one live instead of true love lol 😭)
(also. the cottage core lesbians comment made me think. tbh... i feel like there's a vaguely queer reading to be made in a lot of pretty. odd. songs if one tried/wanted to see it. for me, at 18, just uncovering my own queerness, playing in the shallow end, i can see a lot of stuff in it that resonated with me then for that reason. which is very interesting to me but has always felt somewhat taboo to mention. so i'm burying it here in this long comment no one will bother to read lmao)
also with touring - they toured australia in august 2008, they headlined with the academy is and cobra starship, two of my other fave bands - that was the first time i went to multiple dates of a tour and it was probably the best week of my life atp hahaha. seeing behind the sea live was my favourite live experience for the longest time :')
anyway. that spin quote is so apt :') just, overall i feel like ryan deserves so much more credit than he got for what he did with those first two patd albums. like yeah his influences were always extremely obvious but he was very innovative and clever, especially given his age. i know he DOES get credit lmao but his creative vision was so immense and he was thrown into something incredibly intense (they all were) and i wish he was recognised on the same level as all of that. which is why this video made me so happy!!
Thank you for this video, this is everything I have ever wanted to say, Pretty. Odd. is a masterpiece and my favourite album of all time. It never gets old.
Panic! should have ended when the split happened, for me personally that's when it did. Ryan was the heart of the band and I am so fucking gutted that he's not the one releasing regular albums and touring the world. He's so fucking talented and it's a waste, I live in the UK and my dream is to see him live, I swear to God I would get a loan and fly to the US haha. I waited patiently for John Frusciante to rejoin the Chili's and it actually happened, I just need to keep on manifesting the return of Ryan Ross haha.
To me this is their greatest musical achievement. This was my favourite album of all time for so long, but sadly 2 albums pushed them out of the top spot but it’s still third! I think not having a bridge between the two extremes was great! It made the band unpredictable and I think unpredictable is what a band needs to make interesting and complex music. I remember in 2016 when I got into panic I fell in love with Fever and Death of a Bachelor and thought Pretty. Odd. Was cool but that was only according to the single tracks. Then finally I got the album on CD and I kinda just fell into it. I think it was my first moment of really maturing, because I started to distance myself from most emo and punk music. Pretty. Odd. Was my gateway drug to psychedelic music, indie folk and experimental rock which are now my favourite genres and the Beatles worship led me to listen to the Beatles and now they are my favourite band ever. This album is a lyrical and musical triumph that no band in the scene at the time could of matched (Black Parade was the only album that got close, I do think it’s a better album but I prefer PO) Ryan Ross was the most interesting song writer in the world at that time and I just think if the band fell in line behind him what greatness they could of achieved. Instead we got a very good but foundational debut from The Young Veins which was never expanded upon, 3 very okay records from Brendon that all had a lot of problems in the musical and lyrical departments. One terrible fucking album in the form of Pray for the Wicked, and Ryan, who’s pretty much gone radio silent since 2011, but supposedly he has been working on a full length debut album since 2019 but the pandemic could have slowed that down. We are living in the worst reality possible
Oh and a PS:
If the band did fall in line behind Ryan, I definitely think the band would’ve faded out of popular culture and became an indie band, pitchfork darlings but still would’ve had a little pop appeal but yeah. What could’ve been
I hope Ryan is having a very good day today
Oh awesome! I remember the pretty odd days and thinking it was a cool album :-) you might mention it in the vid, but wasn't there also a scrapped record before pretty odd? Also I have officially watched every vid on the channel :-)
thanks for having activate the eng subs
Yooo, you gonna do that compare/contrast/breakdown of Take A Vacation and Vices and Virtues.. Would love to see it 🤞🏽✌🏽👍🏽
My all time favorite album! Thank you for doing this!!
I thought I knew everything about panic until i watched your videos. such a detailed breakdown, your jokes had me cracking up too, love you content man!
holy cow. i remember hearing a live version of the demo it's true love and it gets stuck in my head at random times to this day. i remember my 12 year old self was disappointed it didn't make the album. i remember sitting on the floor in my room with my cd player after getting home from best buy on release day. definitely cried when hearing norther downpour - remains my favorite on the album. i think about the line from she had the world "i don't love you, i'm just passing the time" quite often - definitely speaks to the dating app culture of today.
this album is gold. if i ever mention panic, my mother says they only ever had 1 good album (this one). it's the beatles vibe for her. side note: the hulu documentary thing with paul mccartney that was released recently was super interesting. highly recommend. gave me a newfound respect for the beatles. speaking of my mother, july 6th is her birthday and she likes to renew her license on her birthday. she had dragged myself and my sister to the dmv with her and we were walking to the car when i got a text message from twitter (remember when you could get the tweets you followed texted to you?) on my flip phone about the split up and i immediately went into oh no oh no oh no mode. i felt very bad for being such a downer on my mother's birthday. how pathetic that i still remember that!
i still have my northern downpour membership card... (and my santi's little helper card too)
Great video! Was never a big Panic fan, but when they dropped Pretty Odd I thought it was so different than anything released on the scene at the time and a really great throwback to a Beatles sounding era. Always thought it was really underrated and was curious of the story behind it.
Just what I needed for the day. Thank you sir
I saw Ryan Ross perform Northern Downpour for the first time in nearly 10 years during the Dead End Kids Club tour in 2019. It feels like such a niche flex. Got to meet him too, Ryan's such a sweet guy.
Thoughts:
- It’s so funny that Forgive Durden did a musical album the following year after the cabin album was scrapped!
- Danny Elfman almost produced Pretty Odd, fun fact
- On the Jon Walker Podcast, it was revealed that Jon actually wrote Nine in the Afternoon in 2003
- Pretty Odd remains my favourite Ryan Ross era album (because nothing afterwards matters) and I miss being 15 and analysing those lyrics for fun 🤣
As a huge Beatles nerd, I really don’t think that Pretty. Odd. is that much of a “Beatles worship” album. It’s what people who don’t listen to The Beatles think that The Beatles sound like, but they never put anything out that sounded like this. If anything, Pretty Odd is a Beach Boys’ Pet Sounds worship album. I still don’t think that’s true tho. I think this album just wanted to be an album version of Alice in Wonderland
@ptrckwntz!atthedisco i think We're So Starving/Nine In The Afternoon definitely is, but I don't really feel like much else from the album resembles the Beatles
@ptrckwntz!atthedisco i love pretty odd. its my favorite album of all time
HELPP no wonder cricket & clover didnt work the idea was so wack
The vibe I've gotten from your videos is that Ryan Ross is the Jack Kirby to Brendon Urie's Stan Lee. 😂
The Pretty. Odd. Era was my most memorable era in high school years. I was so obsessed with it
will always be one of my fav albums ever
July 6th, 13 years ago today and I found your video. Serendipitous!
Great job with this video, I was obsessed with this album when it came out and I still love it so much. I definitely think you could have gone deeper into examples of how this album is reminiscent of The Beatles and 60s/70s music (which I think I’m gonna include as a reply to my own comment). Also, could have mentioned that The Young Veins had a song called “Cape Town” when mentioning that last tour in Cape Town, just as a little fun fact.
But really the only thing I tend to disagree with people with this album is:
You mentioned needing an album between Fever and Pretty. Odd. to “bridge the gap”, but I feel like the 2nd half of Fever is that bridge. Fever goes from electo-pop punk to vaudeville circus, that’s a MUCH bigger leap than going from vaudeville circus to psychedelic fairytale. And putting Cricket and Clover between them would have added to the whiplash people had about their change in sound. I also adamantly believe that if PATD had continued to dress the same from Fever to PO, people wouldn’t have noticed or minded the change as much.
take a vacation by the young veins is equally if not more panic (ryan + jon + ryan's lyrics) than the actual panic albums from this point on. way better too :)
Amen!
This was cozy as fuck, I listened to this album so much as a kid.
Thanks for writing this up!!
Every time you make one of these videos, I go back and listen to each song you mention and it’s such a freaking good time
making the choice to listen to pretty odd at the age of 12 has formed so many of my interests and personality traits lmfaoo. im not even joking, and its still one of my favorite albums of all time. i love p!atd as a whole, and even went to a concert two years ago, but pretty odd is above all of their music, in my opinion. i hold it so closely to my heart.
just found you and can tell you put a lot of time and effort into your videos :)
I really love these videos. I would love to see another video about panic at the disco that moreso goes through their whole career, kind of like the never shout never video. Goes through the drama they've been through on top of their musical career. would be really cool to watch!
I’m surprised you never brought up The Young Veins