The Rise of Panic! at the Disco

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  • Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
  • Panic! at the Disco have been one of the most popular bands in music scene for years. After the success of their debut album A Fever You Can't Sweat Out, and it's lead single I Write Sins Not Tragedies the band and it's frontman Brendon Urie, would go on to have a very successful career. This is the story of how they began....
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    Chapters:
    0:00 - Intro
    0:52 - Early Years
    4:22 - A Fever You Can't Sweat Out/Decaydance Signing
    9:23 - Brent Wilson/AFYCSO Touring Cycle
    15:02 - Cricket and Clover
    18:30 - Lead up to Pretty. Odd.
    24:57 - The Release of Pretty. Odd.
    29:11 - The Split...
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  • @bandprevail
    @bandprevail  Год назад +28

    ruclips.net/video/f0qnDrIhg5s/видео.html

  • @trystero1729
    @trystero1729 Год назад +926

    Ryan Ross was a genius, musically and lyrically. The first two Panic! albums (Pretty. Odd. especially) are absolutely brilliant records. I truly believe that Ryan’s retreat from music is the 21st century analog to Brian Wilson getting into bed.

    • @sadboihours808
      @sadboihours808 Год назад +22

      I very much agree with you on that Brian Wilson analog, every time I think about cricket and clovers it reminds me of the original smile album and that just hurts me in a way

    • @theunexpectedua
      @theunexpectedua Год назад +4

      Just wondering, if he's such a genius, why did he quit music?

    • @QBert904
      @QBert904 Год назад +19

      @@theunexpectedua idk maybe he didn’t want to do it professionally anymore for a reason?

    • @amberwood6423
      @amberwood6423 Год назад +16

      @@theunexpectedua he didn’t

    • @justkencontrol
      @justkencontrol Год назад +10

      @@theunexpectedua he didn't

  • @emma-hv4rv
    @emma-hv4rv Год назад +212

    ryan ross is for the arts not the charts

  • @KrDrummer15
    @KrDrummer15 11 месяцев назад +111

    AFYCSO is easily one of my favorite albums of all time. The writing was phenomenal and instrumentally it’s impressive for bands in that genre. It’s an album with 0 skips. Also, the tour for the album and the Live in Denver show was great.

    • @MimiBlackbird
      @MimiBlackbird 11 месяцев назад +2

      I absolutely agree!! I am a Denver native and I was at the first show at the Fillmore and it was surreal, I wish I could go back and relive it. I miss their small venue shows like the other one at ogden. What a time to be alive lol

  • @baz7295
    @baz7295 10 месяцев назад +25

    at least once a month i remember AFYSCO exists and thank 17 year old ryan ross for writing this masterpiece of an album

  • @terryblysorry
    @terryblysorry Год назад +124

    When you said some fans still regard Pretty Odd as their favorite album because either they have just listened to the band and die-hard for them since day one or they just like Ryan Ross, I laughed so hard because YES.

    • @sophieh.4097
      @sophieh.4097 Год назад +2

      most fans I talk to literally have Pretty Odd as their fav album

  • @h077y
    @h077y Год назад +54

    You can hear how some of the melody of “this true love” made it into “nine in the afternoon”

    • @pxllbug
      @pxllbug Год назад +2

      RIGHT I was just thinking about it

  • @aj2627
    @aj2627 Год назад +244

    Very very impressive video. I love this. I don't think anybody has done a "documentary" style video on this band like this at least from what I've seen. This is amazing work my friend. However many hours was put into filming and editing, I respect it heavily. It was worth it. Looking forward to part 2!! Please make one! Keep up the great work. Much love❤️💕🤟🏻🤙🏻

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +9

      thank you so much brother!! part 2 is gonna come out in mid january so stay tuned :)

    • @renanm5504
      @renanm5504 Год назад +5

      The cozy representative did an hour long video about them in 2021

  • @Ty-mu7gl
    @Ty-mu7gl Год назад +136

    I started listening to P! in 2017 out of sheer curiosity, and even then, not knowing a thing about the band's history, the internet made it very clear to me that Ryan's departure was very much a sensitive topic still.
    So crazy to think about this band's trajectory, especially considering the most recent news. The cautionary tales about rockstars and fame and money and addiction really do materialize into an actual tragedy (not a sin) for some musical acts. It's just so bittersweet for the fans, but knowing what I know now, I can tell it's been that way almost from the get-go

  • @dannygoblin5579
    @dannygoblin5579 Год назад +169

    Pretty Odd is a masterpiece, I feel like it's their best album by FAR

    • @ranchlord77
      @ranchlord77 Год назад +2

      SAME lmao and I fkn love Folkin Around
      LMAO

    • @agschwarze
      @agschwarze Год назад +1

      100% agree

    • @demifolk8940
      @demifolk8940 Год назад +2

      pretty sure this guy likes their new stuff, he barely complimented any of these albums and was simping for fucking death of a bachelor. which i understand it has more mainstream appeal, and its honestly not a bad album at all. its actually quite good. but damn ryan is a genius and these albums really show it.

    • @losh_mi87
      @losh_mi87 Год назад

      Agree man

    • @quentinmonroe
      @quentinmonroe Год назад +1

      Its a fantastic album and their last great album. Everything Brendan did was diminishing returns. Just a bunch of cheap at times catchy pop songs.

  • @bladeeshotgf5500
    @bladeeshotgf5500 Год назад +26

    I hope king Ryan Ross is having a good day today

  • @dereklynch5304
    @dereklynch5304 Год назад +24

    I saw them in Milwaukee on the Honda civic tour. I still remember they played Folkin Around (already the least popular song on PO) and Ryan made sure before AND AFTER the song to remind everyone that Brendan wrote that one. I didn't know much of what was going on behind the scenes at the time, but even then it was really heavy-handedly passive aggressive

  • @otterlly4981
    @otterlly4981 Год назад +47

    Oh man! I remember being in middle school with my friends going through our emo phase, we were obsessed with FOB, MCR, Paramore and Panic! And when Pretty. Odd. came out I LOVED it. Replayed it on my cd player and in the car constantly. My mom loved it too and I still replay it as an adult with her when we go on drives. She loves Infinity on High and Brand New Eyes too. I miss my CDs! Can't believe they're considered old now lol.

  • @kidwaryodproduction
    @kidwaryodproduction 8 месяцев назад +9

    Fun Fact : In 80s there's also have a band from English/German named "Picnic at the Whitehouse"
    and Edwin Hind, Lead singer from this group. Very much lookalike Brendon in some point.

  • @jessi773
    @jessi773 Год назад +20

    They broke up on my 15th birthday and I can’t even begin to explain how devastated I was. My poor lil teeny bopper heart. 💔

    • @danab5473
      @danab5473 9 месяцев назад +2

      same thing happened to me and mcr! I bet we'll see Brandon solo projects in the future

  • @cicada.k
    @cicada.k Год назад +84

    I remember stealing my sisters “a fever” album when I was about 8 years old and listened to it on repeat in my Walkman until it was too scratched to play. I still love it to this day and just gave it a listen for the first time in years last week. It’s timeless especially for those who grew up in that era and kind of “get it”
    The production of this video is great, keep up the good work!!

  • @yayebalay731
    @yayebalay731 Год назад +21

    this is literally the only "story of Panic at the Disco" video out here and I love that but

  • @jojothegreat7
    @jojothegreat7 10 месяцев назад +26

    Love him or hate him you have to credit Brendon for keeping the band relevant after Spencer departure for almost 15 years salute to panic and retirement

  • @dash2048
    @dash2048 Год назад +53

    dude I'm so impressed with the quality of this video. I actually haven't seen such a good video in a long time. keep up the great work !!

    • @placeholderblankspace
      @placeholderblankspace Год назад +1

      Crazy part about it is that they can actually just cover the whole lifespan of the band now

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +3

      thank you!!! i have part 2 of this video up now!!! go check it out

  • @WhiscashGirl
    @WhiscashGirl Год назад +30

    I think I felt my soul leave my body when you said Pretty Odd came out 14 years ago lol 💀 great video though! so much nostalgia, I vaguely remembered the original bassist suing them but I never heard about him getting arrested, that's wild. very excited to check out part 2 now!

  • @clarke3193
    @clarke3193 Год назад +14

    God I love the demo versions

  • @mojahidm
    @mojahidm Год назад +19

    Perfect time to release part 2.

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +4

      i just got it back from my editor right now it’ll be up soon

  • @imasimpforbandsmembers420
    @imasimpforbandsmembers420 Год назад +41

    U should do on my chemical romance

  • @nofunclub3248
    @nofunclub3248 Год назад +9

    I would love to see a video on Dallon Weekes/I Don't Know ow But They Found Me/The Brobecks

  • @xovux
    @xovux Год назад +22

    Im 32 panic has been my fav band since i was a teen. Love it and Brendon is an amazing singer. Sadly it recently disbanded; but all good things come to an end.

  • @AwesomeStarGamer
    @AwesomeStarGamer Год назад +2

    I’ve been looking for a video like this forever si great plz make a part 2

  • @romandelatorre
    @romandelatorre Год назад +1

    this is exactly the type of video I was looking for! thank you this is amazing

  • @julesc9279
    @julesc9279 Год назад +5

    This was super well-written and you totally deserve more views. Thanks for the hard work!

  • @runi3747
    @runi3747 Год назад +5

    Amazing video dude! Hats off, very dynamic and informative, such good blend of their clips and narration
    Really hope it gets more views

  • @Jameo32
    @Jameo32 Год назад +19

    awesome video! I need to know part 2 tho!!! there aren't any other vids explaining panic's history this good except this one and it just so happens to have this cliff hanger 😂 please continue, I need to know more 😭🙏

  • @yayebalay731
    @yayebalay731 Год назад +2

    I KNEW THAT THIS VIDEO WAS GONNA GET PICKED UP sooner or later, congrats man

  • @MessyNess_
    @MessyNess_ Год назад +56

    You are going places, you deserve so much more recognition. Excellent video as always!

  • @aironnocturnal5365
    @aironnocturnal5365 Год назад

    Just stopping in to say this is a brilliant video, keep up the great work!

  • @dollvains
    @dollvains Год назад +48

    Pretty Odd is the peak fight me ! RYAN ROSS SUPREMACY!

  • @Ty-mu7gl
    @Ty-mu7gl Год назад +4

    Lmaooo I never realized how big the exclamation mark thing was 😭😭 I picture it as if tøp decided to use a regular O in their abbreviation

  • @SuperImprovGal
    @SuperImprovGal Год назад +2

    Dude you deserve way more subs! This is fantastic

  • @ashlynneroper8726
    @ashlynneroper8726 3 месяца назад

    this video is great! so many details. thank you!

  • @stevenwilson5988
    @stevenwilson5988 Год назад +28

    These videos look incredibly time consuming. Great content! Under appreciated channel! Keep it up! This channel will blow up with the scene Era being brought back!

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +5

      about 70 hours total with what my editor does and all the stuff i do 😅 thank you so much

  • @theunexpectedua
    @theunexpectedua Год назад +1

    Even though I don't listen to this band, the amount of work you put into this video - mad respect 🤘

  • @albertomartinez3862
    @albertomartinez3862 Год назад +10

    man keep up these videos they’re so fucken good and we’ll detailed thank you h honestly don’t give up on youtube you going somewhere, somewhere far 🙏

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +1

      hey! i really appreciate this!! comments like these always make all the work seem worth it so thank you sm for that :)

  • @iloveurmom9175
    @iloveurmom9175 Год назад

    Please never stop making these videos

  • @zaccrosby9653
    @zaccrosby9653 Год назад +8

    I actually couldn’t believe there was mixed opinion on Pretty! Odd receiving mixed reviews at the time. I was too young to care about reviews at the time, but it is still to this day one of my all timers. But it is a studio album, great for a front to back listen on a long car ride or work day. Also folk music kicks ass

  • @hair.goblinnn
    @hair.goblinnn Год назад +6

    I remember the first time I heard I Write Sins on the radio. My sister and I debated if it was Fall Out Boy or some weird My Chem song.

  • @jaredcantu1840
    @jaredcantu1840 Год назад +2

    I can’t wait till this channel blows up

  • @JOK3RC4RDx
    @JOK3RC4RDx Год назад +6

    Panic at the disco will always have a special place in my heart I remember being a kid watching the music video for lying is the most fun you can have with out teming ur clothes of off on MTV hit list the fish bowl concept was always interesting

  • @g1rlfriend_34
    @g1rlfriend_34 Год назад

    Love this vid!

  • @bradleyjameslaw
    @bradleyjameslaw 21 день назад

    97k views for this vid is not enough its so good bro well done

  • @calieveritt3576
    @calieveritt3576 Год назад

    i love your videos sm 🥰 please do sleeping with sirens!

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +1

      thank you so much for the nice words!! they’re definitely on the list :)

  • @danielxsstuf
    @danielxsstuf Год назад +15

    You know, with the recent news that Panic! disbanded, this was really needed for me. Thanks for the vid.

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +1

      of course!! you should check out part 2 as well

    • @danielxsstuf
      @danielxsstuf Год назад

      Already did bro, thanks for that.

  • @alonzor557
    @alonzor557 Год назад +16

    And yes I am indeed a die hard Panic fan that has listened since day 1 😊

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +3

      haha so true, you should check out part 2 of the video as well!!

    • @alonzor557
      @alonzor557 Год назад

      @@bandprevail yes I did! I enjoyed it well done sir keep up the good work 💯

  • @victordominguez8310
    @victordominguez8310 Год назад +5

    dude I love your content! this was so well thought out. just a piece of constructive criticism, I think your script could benefit from another set of eyes looking it over for word choice! You are killing it though, keep it up!

    • @blameitonyaboi
      @blameitonyaboi Год назад +1

      yeah, a lot of un needed mistakes, like he's just reading a script he didnt read beforehand :/

  • @ditzvbnml5269
    @ditzvbnml5269 Год назад

    great video essay! I would really love it if you would do one on motion city soundtrack :^)

  • @bowlseedreal
    @bowlseedreal Год назад +2

    ur back

  • @ben7798
    @ben7798 Год назад +3

    pretty odd has always been my favorite, fever #2 and vices #3

  • @shawngallagher8764
    @shawngallagher8764 24 дня назад

    Pretty Odd and Vices and Virtues are my fav Panic albums. It’s a shame Odd is so overlooked

  • @losh_mi87
    @losh_mi87 Год назад

    Amazing !

  • @ThePhantomKingX
    @ThePhantomKingX Год назад

    Yo I see you bumping streambeats! Great video.

  • @SBSMusicChannel
    @SBSMusicChannel Год назад +2

    Damn.. what a spot to end at. I was just wondering if there was a part 2 😂

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +1

      i just uploaded part 2!! go check it out 💗

    • @SBSMusicChannel
      @SBSMusicChannel Год назад

      @@bandprevail it’s like you knew they were about to call it quits 😂

  • @maddieieieieieie
    @maddieieieieieie Год назад

    i love this so much

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +1

      part 2 is out now!! would love if you checked it out

    • @maddieieieieieie
      @maddieieieieieie Год назад

      @@bandprevail i will!! also did you hear about the news? ☹️ bittersweet

  • @Bugplanet8840
    @Bugplanet8840 7 месяцев назад +1

    No one ever talks about them having a song (Mercenary) in Arkham city the album. It’s pretty catchy

  • @ribs4lyfe
    @ribs4lyfe Год назад +3

    pretty odd is number 2 of all their albums for me its amazing

  • @placeholderblankspace
    @placeholderblankspace Год назад +17

    Well this aged like milk.

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +7

      in part 2 of the video which i just uploaded i talk about how they got to where they are now!! go watch

    • @toriseiko3126
      @toriseiko3126 Год назад +3

      milk fic

  • @yvngxd3xth
    @yvngxd3xth Год назад +3

    love how youtube recommended me this a week after panic broke up

  • @trina8255
    @trina8255 Месяц назад

    As someone who was obsessed with this band in middle and high school, ever since AFYCSO was released in 2005 (after hearing about them on MySpace), this is very well researched and really brought me back. Panic! was my very first concert ever on their Nothing Rhymes with Circus tour.
    Fun fact: The year they went on the Honda Civic tour, I didn't have enough money for tickets. This would have been my first time missing them coming to my city since 2006, which was DEVASTATING at the time, so I begged my mom for the money. She said, and I quote:
    "Panic at the disco isn't going anywhere."
    One year later I have her SO much shit for that comment.

  • @ItsGibsy
    @ItsGibsy Год назад +24

    Panic!'s sound for the last 2 albums felt like a slap in the face.

    • @jr4560
      @jr4560 Год назад +1

      honestly, the most poppy feel for Pray for the Wicked and VLV are nice for me, not as good as things beforehand but yk

  • @blazehaze233
    @blazehaze233 Год назад

    This is so interesting

  • @hope.world.mp3845
    @hope.world.mp3845 Год назад +5

    But let’s be for real, panic! Wouldn’t be Panic! Without the exclamation mark 😭

  • @svetlanasolos
    @svetlanasolos 6 месяцев назад +1

    does anyone know the song playing in the background in the begging of "lead up to pretty. odd."???

  • @rem672
    @rem672 Год назад +1

    The exclamation point part was hilarious

  • @marinkerker933
    @marinkerker933 Год назад +2

    Camisado is my favorite song to ever exist

  • @spntageous5249
    @spntageous5249 Год назад +4

    Great video! Very interested to see such video on Fall Out Boy or My Chemical Romance!

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +3

      fall out boy video is actually coming soon 👀

    • @spntageous5249
      @spntageous5249 Год назад

      @@bandprevail definitely subscribing to you

  • @absurdgal
    @absurdgal Год назад

    this is very good work! loved it. kudos!

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад

      thank you so much!! remember to check out part 2 now !!

  • @truecrimerip7936
    @truecrimerip7936 Год назад +7

    Now 30, I have never listened to an album more than Pretty Odd

  • @nanapoohsmom4927
    @nanapoohsmom4927 5 месяцев назад

    15:15 FINALLY SOMEONES TALKING ABOUT THE CABIN ALBUM

  • @Jc124
    @Jc124 Год назад +36

    Brandon Urie made panic at disco and ruined panic at the disco at the same time

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +5

      i talked all about that in part 2 which i just uploaded!! go check it out

    • @eternalbliss330
      @eternalbliss330 Год назад +21

      ryan ross is the core of panic, brendon didnt do shit besides be the face of the band for the last decade and a half 😭

    • @ninarod890
      @ninarod890 Год назад +1

      It’s so frustrating because he’s insanely talented but his own cockiness ruined him. he would be much more liked & respected had he let go of the the name and went solo. He probably wouldn’t have felt the pressure to continue to sing like that anymore. Great voice but he can’t hit the same notes consistently. a good overall performer but it’s extremely obvious Ryan was the core of panic!

    • @MimiBlackbird
      @MimiBlackbird 11 месяцев назад

      Totally

  • @alexlikesnape
    @alexlikesnape Год назад

    This is the best video about PATD

  • @shayaan7584
    @shayaan7584 Год назад

    can you please tell me where you found the song hey matt, the front of my car’s got your name on it. PLEASEE!!

  • @alltimecharlotte
    @alltimecharlotte Год назад +1

    god i never thought i'd see the pic of ryan eating a burrito again, it's been years

  • @bolywherm
    @bolywherm Год назад +1

    welcome back everyone

  • @ronnieblanchet4072
    @ronnieblanchet4072 7 месяцев назад

    Good work!
    God bless you!
    SOLI DEO GLORIA
    (To The Glory Of God Alone)
    Father, Son & Holy Spirit
    -Ronnie

  • @itisntevenagoodone
    @itisntevenagoodone Год назад +2

    I'm glad that Ryan and John left because I like A Fever and Vice and Virtues way more than Pretty Odd and I would be so sad if Vices and Virtues didn't happen. I'm not hating on Pretty Odd but Vices and Virtues is just so much better

  • @JValiant123
    @JValiant123 Год назад +5

    Please do Fall Out Boy

  • @MaosTL
    @MaosTL Год назад +2

    Fucking love Pretty Odd. My first album of theirs though was DoAB, so blew it off as a beach boys jerk fest at first. Now it’s one of my favorites ever lol

  • @KateSmiths-zh1nx
    @KateSmiths-zh1nx 7 месяцев назад +1

    I love AFYCSO and Pretty Odd I don't care it's amazing

  • @aranelnemonia6376
    @aranelnemonia6376 Год назад +1

    Would you be willing to do Within Temptation or Halestorm at some point? I know you mostly do pop-punk but Within Temptation is symphonic metal, and Halestorm is basically just metal.

  • @koolsanthony623
    @koolsanthony623 Год назад +1

    Can you do one on Hawthorne Heights please!!!

  • @tylerpoirier3699
    @tylerpoirier3699 Год назад +2

    Great video, just gonna say not everything after the split was a decline though….

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +2

      i like post split panic! better than pre split tbh

  • @delanieolin
    @delanieolin Год назад +2

    who else watching this after the ’breakup’

  • @Alex-di9kr
    @Alex-di9kr Год назад +1

    To be fair the summer league is a pretty sick name for a band

  • @cattmartyr8156
    @cattmartyr8156 Год назад +1

    if you’re getting kicked out of a band, you’re the last one to know it’s coming. plenty of conversations happened leading up to it, you’re just not a part of them.

  • @jazzflash1997
    @jazzflash1997 Год назад +5

    And now he's calling it quits. sad day

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад

      very sad, part 2 of this video is out now you should go check it out!!

  • @user-nk6wt9tp2x
    @user-nk6wt9tp2x 4 месяца назад

    Brendon is an engel man ,and we are never gonna see brendon again, r,i.p🌐 goodbye to an icon

  • @tyrererepos3077
    @tyrererepos3077 Год назад +2

    WELL

  • @kevenquinlan
    @kevenquinlan 9 месяцев назад

    Aw, this was a really informative video- thanks. Yeah, I couldn't stand the 2nd album. After feeling like the first one was just a Masterpiece (I also didn't know Ryan Wrote all the lyrics= GREAT LYRICS) it was just TOO different. If they had been a different band and put that out- they probably would've had a following but the album was just SO different. I wouldn't get into music like that and people who would= wouldn't have liked their first album, simple as that. It would've been interesting in hindsight if Ryan hadn't gone in the life direction that he did and was still in the same line of thought as he was when he did the first album, I can only imagine the EPIC stuff that could've been created- but that's just hypothesizing, Also- You HAVE TO have the Exclamation mark. If you are a writer or a reader punctuation is a form of traffic sign that helps you figure out where the writer is going- it's Literally why we have punctuation. When you have PANIC w/ the exclamation= it frames it as an attached yet separate word from the sentence- Like PANIC is something major happening- a frenzied commotion. Then at the disco directs you to the location of the Panic. When you remove the exclamation- it's more ambiguous. There's panic at the disco, what kind of panic, what does it mean, and how 'panicky' was it? It melds too much with the rest of the sentence and takes away from the emphasis of the panic's intensity so you can actually read it a few different ways w/o the exclamation= you CAN'T read it any other way then how I described when the exclamation is there. I wasn't tripping about it when they decided to do it- but it wasn't necessary to remove it but it belonged.

  • @losh_mi87
    @losh_mi87 Год назад

    I ADORE PRETTY OFF COME ON..!!!

  • @makrusnormendez357
    @makrusnormendez357 Год назад +2

    Before it came out, pretty odd style of music is not something id listen too. But once it dropped it was easily my favourite.

  • @opokalipsa
    @opokalipsa Год назад +4

    I think you should do some feat. With TheCozyRepresentative.
    And you need a bigger audience.

  • @LogaLolDJ
    @LogaLolDJ Год назад +1

    I want a Part 2, Where is it?

    • @bandprevail
      @bandprevail  Год назад +3

      give it about a week 👀 follow me on twitter @bandprevail and i’ll tweet right when it drops

  • @runawayy99
    @runawayy99 Год назад +1

    Cool video but at times the background music was a little too loud

  • @daresh5064
    @daresh5064 Год назад

    This dude knew something