Had a clean licence for over 10 years now. Got caught in a 20mph zone going 24mph and got 3 points and a fine (police woman on a bike with a speed gun caught me). I think I’ll be biter about this for the rest of my life. Good video by the way. Subbed.
Me too 34 in a 30. I was caught accelerating on the edge of a 30 going into a 50. The miserable **** was stood 2 yards inside the limit. I live life now as convicted criminal 🙄
What really annoys me is the road work signs left behind sometime years after everything has been finished. The police also leave their temporary 'Accident' signs around months after the incident! These things can cause accidents as local people already aware of these things can run into somebody unaware slamming their brakes on when seeing the signs!
@@dillansibandaidk if this is satire or some lame attempt at a joke, uk roads have claimed the lives of dozens of cars mate, tyres, and bottom of vehicles been getting destroyed now for ages, driving in the uk is like playing minesweeper …
I once saw one those early boxy speed cameras ( mounted on a pole with markers on the road etc ) was crashed into and the impact had knocked it over and someone had left a bunch of flowers and a note saying 'missing you at 90 mph! "
Luckily for me, the town i live in have fully dismantled all speed cameras and replaced them with a warning digital speed boards, which for me, actually works better than a punishment of a fine. As you approach the board it tells you, and every driver behind you , what speed you are doing. Its also a good way to check your speedometer is correct. The town I live in did this because they said they weren't getting the revenue back from the treasury from the fines they were generating, and it was costing the town more to maintain, run and process the fines, than it was getting back. It must be, I would say 12 to 15 years ago now that all speed cameras disappeared in my town. Can give you a false scence of security when driving through a neighbouring town, as they all still have them, and you can forget until you see that big orange box approaching.
Bear in mind that it's not an accurate way to check your Speedo is correct. You'd need to be driving DIRECTLY toward the laser for it to be correct, if you're driving off to the side of the scanner, it will be a lower number than your true speed.
Speedometers usually aren't correct, they are "out" from the factory, unless you have it calibrated (like police vehicles) it will typically over-read by 1-2mph as a rough guide. I had a car that over read by 3mph, and the last car I had over-read by 2mph. Legally they can't under-read (i.e display 30 on the speedo if you are doing 35) as the manufacturer would be liable to be sued in civil court for any speeding fines issued to anyone driving their cars.
All I can tell you is that, in my town, no radar trap is set so you drive at an angle towards it, well not in the town i live in anyway. That would surely defeat the purpose, why would any authority want to monitor your speed at a skewed angle? All the radar speed boards are set on straight roads, so you are always travelling straight towards them and can see them further down the road in the distance as you approach them and not around the next bend etc. And all I can, Also tell you is that from every radar speed notification board in my town, when iam approaching it and it lights up the speed it says iam travelling towards it at, what ever that speed may read, my speedometer agrees Wih the board. So if it flashes 30mph, I look at my speedometer, and low and behold it matches 30mph. If on a separate radar speed board I am approaching it. Straight on another long road, you have to slow down because its a school area, so approaching it at 20mph according to my speedometer, and low and behold again, this other independent radar speed board flashes up 20mph. Now that means of the 20 or so radar speed boards in my town, nearly all around schools, that they are all calibrated to my speedometer and all the radar speed boards are wrong :-J . Or? Now it may be someone else travelling towards these same radar boards may flash up 23mph, but when they double check their speedometer it still telling them 20mph. I should imagine that all these radar speed boards are calibrated correctly, as they are bounce back radar signals, and can easily be re-fitted with cameras again to be used in a court of law. As I say, all these radar boards did initially have cameras attached for prosecution of speeders, until my town deactivated all the cameras on them and just rely on. The radar information board to educate instead of just prosecuting.
@@garry1454 The way the radar is projected outwards and forwards from the radar means it is possible to set one off driving towards it, I've done exactly that with a Gatso a few years back. Flashed me driving towards it, no other cars on the road and nobody else about. I don't recall whether I was going above the limit at the time but I just recall it flashing at me. The main thing is at the moment, to my knowledge you cannot be prosecuted for it as they are only approved for rear-facing photography.
An informative job there. I'm all for road safety, but I can't help but feel that the authorities are missing a trick. It amazes me how most people prosecuted for speeding are decent law-abiding citizens, probably doing a small amount over the posted limit, who are no doubt concentrating on the road conditions rather than looking at their dashboard to check and compute mentally (which all takes vital seconds) that they are within the limit. All this does, is, create a dislike towards the police, (which they definitely do not need) who I think do an amazing job, and I know that they don’t make the rules, only enforce them. I also think that the limits are so inconsistent, I know about repeater signs and where there's streetlights etc. but, you get very similar entry/exits into and from towns and villages that have different limits; there doesn't seem to be much uniformity to them. It’s a pity that they don’t reimburse the person who was driving/riding extremely safely, albeit marginally over the 30mph limit, when this very same person is driving/riding at 18mph in a 30mph limit due to the number of hazards they have detected. The police would gain far more credibility. A few points here, I hope they make sense. As I said I am all for being safe on the roads, I just wish that there were as much emphasis on further driver/rider training as there is on these sorts of fines.
Completely with you on that - and HATE average speed cameras because I spend far too much time looking at the speedo and not watching the real issue of what's going on around me. I'm guilty of driving according to the conditions, traffic density etc, with an often assumed awareness of the speed limit, but only really sticking to it (+10% +1mph with cruise control set) when I know that there's a risk of cameras. Spent the last 30 years with somewhere between 0 and 3 points on licence at any one time and rarely get involved in any incidents despite doing 25 - 35k miles per year (used to be 80k as a truck driver). The issue is not speed - just inappropriate use of it and sadly we're all emasculated because of the idiots that can't work that out themselves.
There’s a ridiculous and very dangerous speed limit drop going out of Bath… it suddenly drops from a 60mph (National limit) to a 30mph, and the 30mph sign is hidden behind trees on a corner. Had to slam the breaks as soon as I saw the sign (no one behind luckily). Road is still fairly open so wouldn’t have expected a 30mph anyway
@@kimjongbingbongtingtong4430 fully agreed. The whole setup seems like a money making scheme for the authorities and a headache for drivers. We should find a way to get heard. Any suggestions who to approach
i work as a delivery driver , and i always drive on a road with around 6 cameras , got 2 speeding tickets in 2 months this year... i drive around 80 times in front of that cameras everyday, and yeah pretty hard not to go past 30mph
As a worker for Chevron of 30+ years I can help clarify why. We are usually only allowed to commence work during the lowest periods that the road is used for. Unless unavoidable. The lowest times for most roads are 10pm -4am
@@thedrvn In that case, the speed cameras should be turned OFF when there are no workmen present, especially if they are behind the continuous concrete barriers.
@@neillambton4065 It's not only about the workers... its about temporary barriers etc as well, eg a temporary barrier may only be able to withstand an impact up to 50
I don’t have a problem with them on housing estates and outside schools where kids are. But at the end of a straight road hidden on a slight bend is just cash raping the motorist. If the other crimes were down to an acceptable level, then I don’t mind traffic violations. But it’s just greed.!! Workers on roadworks?? I thought they were extinct.?
Here we go,🙄 Let me guess, you’ve never ever gone over the speed limit??. If you say no, your a liar. I drive my 5 classic cars as the roads allow. As I said, in built up areas where public and kids are, you stick to the limits. If I’m on a motorway at 2am, then yes I go more than 70. (report me if you want).
@@citroenfil never said that, but then if I get caught that's my problem. I broke the rules. I won't be a cretin and blame everyone else for my failure.
Neil Williams The bloke is questioning said rules. He also gave quite a reasonable example in his original comment as to why it’s about generating revenue rather than road safety.
@@qasimmir7117 point still stands though. If you break the posted limit then you put yourself in a position to get caught. They can't generate revenue if you don't break it. Whether you feel it is a reasonable limit or not is immaterial. If you disagree with a sleeving limit then lobby the relevant authority, don't just ignore it then bitch when you're punished.
I have lived in more than 10 countries, and I can testify that british drivers are the most friendly and sensible drivers, I remember in the beginning, how drivers practically race you to give you way, even though they priority on you, it was so confusing, but yeah they are still a lot of english gentlemen around, 👍🏾
What he means is they should use the average speed check cameras inside school zones because they actually work, unlike the revenue generating cameras.
Somebody I work with said years ago when he first started driving, he had a black box and was doing 20mph in a 20 zone and actually got overtook by a police car 😳
Only reason people don’t abide by them is because often(not all of them) are temp speed limits when the orange lights flash and it’s not against the law to go over them, only to go over the set speed limit
I live in london and boroughs are independently putting a 20mph limit on the roads. Thank heavens at the moment they are not being enforced. Driving at night on a duel carriageway at 20 with not another person or vehicle in sight is infact dangerous, your mind wanders and road watching is secondary.
Watch out for Croydon Council sending out wrong speeding fines with a demand payment. Their operators can’t even read the number plates correctly and check if the vehicle make corresponds. They sent me one of these with a photo of a white van - my vehicle was in fact a car. I recommended the operators be retrained ad visit Specsavers 😆
They would work a lot better if nobody knew where they were; as they stand drivers come speeding up then slam the brakes on just before risking more accidents. Which to me means they aren't about safety but milking the cash cow that is the car driver.
If that was the case then why dont they place those big black cameras that show a dig red "30MPH" on housing estates ,on major roads instead of nicking you?As they say "prevention is better than cure"?
@@johnbower7452 you've missed the entire point. Smart motorways get rid of the hard shoulder. The only safe place on a road that's full of cars doing 70 and 44ton lorrys doing 60.. If you break down or have an emergency, and pull into the hard shoulder (which is now a lane for doing 70mph) you're dead. Plenty of people have died, and it even paused the rollout if smart motorways
@@johnbower7452 also most of the gantrys don't actually have cameras there. I think it's something like 1 in every 5 gantrys You can see the white/yellow cameras to the left, hanging off the side There will be lines on the road, but there's no camera
North Wales speed cameras are enough to detour the tourists, they're hidden just round bends mainly outside small villages where the speed limit drops to 30mph, Dick Turpin would have been proud of this kind of highway robbery.
If you follow the Highway Code you should be doing the speed limit when you enter that zone. I.e going from a 50 to 30 you should be doing 30 or under when you enter that if road conditions allow it. If SPECS cameras are in place you have to at designated speed limit when either entering zone or leaving. Prime example A9 Scotland. Going from 70 dual carriageway to a single carriageway 60, SPECS cameras are sometimes positioned just after you leave 70 zone going into a 60. Good app digihub gives you your exact speed. I use it all the time. You’ll find that when you speedo shows you going 60 your actually going 56 or 57 on app. My dashcam records my speed and show my going 3mph less then my speedo.
@@allythevan Agreed but it's just too easy to drift slightly over the speed limit and get prosecuted for a moment's loss of concentration, that's what's wrong with the system especially when money is involved and we all know that's the main reason.
@@leeandjancruise can’t argue with that. Done it myself and still do it. Driving back Saturday down the A9 from dropping my son off had to check my dashcam to see what speed I was going past a SPECS camera got distracted for a sec it happens even though I had my cruise control on. I tend to stick to speed limits if in a strange area anyways but yes speed can creep up.
@@allythevan that's a gps speed reading.. Google maps also does it, as does waze and a traditional tomtom satnav Speedos are often set to under read, to account for tyre wear etc It's illegal for a car to overread but not under read I have calibrated my speedo using GPS so it's bang on. Tested with those radar things that show your speed as you approach them
Very informative and well presented. thank you. if my teachers had been as good as you at passing on knowledge in such a clear and down to earth way, I might have attended more often.
Pretty accurate! Gatso road markings are called secondary check markings at 0.5m spacing and the two shots are exactly one second apart. True, each camera costs around £20k so only have a few. They use dummy cameras in other locations which also flash but don’t record. 10%+2 is true for most. Car speedo of course over indicates speed so these nutcases who have to touch the brakes even though at 30 are actually around 6mph below trigger speed. Good video!
Its interesting with the classic Gatso. I've been "flashed" by speed cameras a far amount, but only actually done once and required to go on a speed awarenesses course. On that occasion I was caught doing 27mph in a 20mph zone. I thought that sounded odd as I'm fairly certain I must've actually been going faster when I initially set the camera off. My theory behind this, and why I haven't been done on other occasions, is precisely the "2 flashes" - When the first flash goes off the instinct is to immediately hit the breaks. If I'm going 35mph, set the camera off, slam the breaks on and drop 10mph before the 2nd flash, they'll clock me at around 30mph and ticket me. I reckon many of those other times I've set off the cameras I was probably going about 27mph, got flashed once, slammed the breaks, dropped 10mph to 17mph by the 2nd flash, making them clock me at a little over 20mph and not enough to actually ticket me.
Pretty sure you won't drop 10Mph between the first and second flash. They are usually half a second apart. Doubt you are dropping 10Mph in speed in half a second. Also it doesn't quite work like that. Some cameras have secondary verification lines on the road, they use them and can see which line you are at in the first photograph, and then again which line you are at in the second photograph. As the lines are a set distance apart they can calculate the distance you have travelled in the time between the two flashes, which is usually half a second to 1 second maximum. Usually the smaller lines on the road by the camera are something like 1 metre apart and the wider lines are 5 metres apart, although this varies from site to site. On sites that don't use this, it will have a radar unit but no lines, the two photos are to prove the vehicle, one is a close up of the plate typically, (to prevent any argument that it wasn't your registration as it's "not clear" in the photograph) and the other photo is a wide angle view of the vehicle and shows the road and sometimes the pavement to the side, depending on where the camera is located. The HADECS (motorway) cameras have double radar units fitted to them, which removes the need for the secondary white road verification lines you see. Some of them still have these lines but legally they aren't required as the HADECS cameras have two radar units independent of each other, and if both are activated or "Triggered" it essentially means you are definitely speeding above the threshold limit. A camera with one radar unit might accidentally go off if you weren't speeding, because it only has x level of room for error. But two radar units both independently detecting a speeding vehicle has twice the room for error, and is pretty much guaranteed not to activate for a vehicle that isn't speeding. HADECS are the ones you see mounted typically at the side of the gantry, the ones with the blindingly bright flash if you see someone set one off travelling on the motorway in the other direction, they are usually only active when there are temporary or variable speed limits, but often if you pass through at high enough speed (perhaps in excess of say 90Mph) they will be triggered. Also, for what it's worth, ANPR cameras do not flash or "activate", they record images of every vehicle passing capturing the number plate by manipulating the black text against the background of the plate to perform a "Read". These are stored in a database along with a timestamp, i.e 23:54:46 GMT. When you pass the second camera that the first ANPR camera is paired to it performs another read, with another timestamp, as the cameras are at known fixed locations the software automatically calculates the distance covered and the amount of time taken, from this they calculate your average speed. Some people think if they slow down AT the average speed camera, but then speed up when they drive past it, and slow for the next one, they will fool it, these people don't know what "Average" means or how they work. The ANPR cameras are paired, you could have 4 ANPR cameras, the first two cameras might be paired, and cameras 3 and 4 paired. Or it could be cameras 1 & 3, 2 & 4.. or 1 & 4, 2 & 3, as there's no way to know it's best just to stick to the speed limit.
@@thefiestaguy8831 Interesting. Yeah, I was specifically talking about the cameras with lines in the road (I think they're called GATSO) and they're everywhere around where I live still. I think you'll find that breaking hard between the 1st & 2nd flash with those specific cameras does kind of work how I described and you can slow down quicker than you think (so long as nobody is directly behind you, lol). I mean, that's the whole point of the 2sec rule on motorways and that is at speeds of 70mph. The cameras with lines in the road are usually used in 30mph and 20mph zones and I believe, especially with a modern car, you could easily drop 10mph in 1 sec (give or take a couple mph depending on how good your brakes are). That's the only way I can explain why they clocked me going slower than I actually was by at least 5mph (I guess it could also be in the inaccuracies and human error of actually deciphering lines painted on a road maybe). Anyway, it was over 5 years ago since I got done and I 've learned my lesson now .... honest, guv!
@@matthewwalker5430 It's not though, is it. Do you honestly think your car will stop from 70 to 0 in 2 seconds? It won't. The point of the 2 second rule is to give you enough of a gap to the car in front, so that if it suddenly brakes, you have time to react, if you are literally right behind it there's little to no time to react and you're now in their boot. If an animal ran across a motorway or dual carriageway, and stood still in the lane you were in and you applied the brakes at 70, and it was approximately "two seconds" gap from your car, there's no way you are stopping in time, even swerving at that speed to avoid it would likely result in a loss of control and crash. I once had a deer run across an unguarded dual carriageway right next to a wooded area. I hit the brakes so hard I hurt my foot, and veered to the right as the deer panicked and froze still in the middle of the road. Luckily I was a bit more than 2 seconds from it and had time to react and plan. The 2 second rule is just to give you time to react to the car in front, it's not "2 seconds to stop". You've got to remember even if the car in front brakes, causing you to do so, as you are slowing but still moving, the car in front is too. The car in front won't go from 70 to 0 in an instant, it will still be braking and slowing as you are with a 2 second gap behind it. Plenty of cameras use lines in the road, and it's everywhere not just 20 or 30 zones. I've seen Gatsos on a motorway with secondary verification lines. They're nothing to do with the function of the camera, it's literally just a set of painted white lines each being a set distance apart, to prove a car was or was not speeding in the two photographs the camera takes. Also, when you consider thinking time and reaction time alone is usually 1 second or slightly over, I doubt you are dropping 10mph in half a second. Unless you started braking before the first flash went off.
@@thefiestaguy8831 The flashes are 1 second apart, human reaction time is 0.1 second. Modern brakes activate instantly. if you've ever had to do an emergency stop at 30mph, then you will know that a modern car will come to a full stop in a fraction of a second. If you are not excessively speeding then braking hard as a reaction to that first flash will drastically slow you down, enough to bring you're average speed during that second down to the legal limit.
@@talibong9518 Depends on the camera. I set off a HADECS camera the other day doing 80mph by my speedo on the M25 near Cobham Services - never seen them flash at that speed (more likely actually 78/79mph once speedo inaccuracy is taken into account). No signs showing on gantry and no speed limit displayed either - it was simply unlit. Sure enough as I passed double flash. Waiting the dreaded 14 days now. NEVER seen them flash people at that low over the speed limit when not displaying variable speed, seen people bomb it past them at 100+ and they don't flash. GATSO might be 1 second apart but HADECS isn't, the flashes were no more than 1/2 second apart. Interestingly it took ages to flash me, as I passed under the gantry it waited 2 seconds before the first flash even occurred, pretty sure they normally flash quicker than that - but that said i've never previously set a camera off in the direction it is enforcing, in the 11.5 years i've had a full UK license. Even with great reactions, nobody is reacting, moving their foot, applying the brakes and slowing by enough speed in that situation to prevent it going off.
A word from here in France, I moved here in 2003 after many years visiting and the Gendarmes were not too bothered about speeding unless you took the piss. In the last 10 or so years they installed lots of static cameras & use mobile devices regularly. Me & my wife have been caught many times since. My last one was on a long straight road near me and I know all the hiding niches, I got a ticket in the post, I checked the history on my dashcam to confirm the rozzers were not visible. They must have been hiding among the trees of a wooded section.
Except for 30 mph zones (see Highway Code re 30 applies if lamp=posts are x yards apart or less, (if no lamp-posts, must be repeater signs) for a speed limit to be enforcable there have to be repeater signs at a given distance advising of the limit on the road (not including motorways of course). A road near to my home encountered a problem a number of years back. It was discovered that the repeater signs (if indeed there were any) weren't at the specified distance apart. I believe quite a few speeding fines had to be refunded because of the non compliance with the signage regulations. .
You missed something with the HADECS system which is a useful warning you're approaching one. A bit before the actual camera (about 50-100m), about the same height and on the left on the verge will always be a bank of 3 or 4 white cameras that look like regular CCTV. I believe these are for capturing additional video evidence of the 'offence' and for demonstrating that the reduced speed limit on the gantry was working at the time the camera went off. I always keep an eye out for these too as sometimes the speed camera on the gantry is hidden behind a bridge or foliage.
i’ve noticed them as well, especially on the m62 and m1, i always thought these 3-4 cameras were monitoring each different lane and did an average speed check from the moment you enter the first bank of camera until you get to the yellow cameras on the gantry which captured you, that’s my only theory for them but i could be wrong
@Ultra Obama 1st of all just for your and everybody’s knowledge, you won’t see a 30MP/H sign on motorway. On the motorways Minimum sign you’ll be seeing overhead is 40miles “at least for the UK” And for those who didn’t know, the motorway speed cameras are synced with the display sign overhead. If it shows 40/50 don’t think you can do the national speed 70miles because you’re on motorway. It will flash ya. “ “Talking from my accidental experience. Not paying attention to the 50 displayed sign and got caught on 58” “ Luckily just a awareness course
@@arian7436 i did see both 30 and even 20 mph on motorways. 30 several times on the left line when there are congestions/accidents on a slip road. 20 ive seen only once in Scotland in the middle of a night with no traffic around. Not sure why was that put in place apart from weather warning maybe?
@@zilalapsa I believe that because last week I did see the 20 displayed on the left lane in the middle of the night somewhere near Milton Keynes. I’m over 35 and that was the first time in my life seeing that on motorway 😳 I guess we do learn something new every day after all … PS: i do take the previous comment back.
Good explanation with few add ons: 1) The speedometer of many cars is generally far from accurate so, when your car reads 70mph it is highly likely your actual speed is lower than that speed (some of this can be easily contrasted by checking what your speedometer says while you are driving and what your GPS mobile tracker speed says, (which is also not 100% accurate by the way)). That is the reason why the "international" guidelines for traffic speed checking, must allow for a "cushion", which is that 10% extra between what the max allowance and enforced speed is about and what the driver "thinks" his speed is about. 2) The SPECS, or average speed camera, work by stamping at time mark to your Reg plate reading at one point (time zero "0") and contrasting that with the second measurement taken by the second camera (and third and fourth and so on..) and calculating how much "time" has passed between the two readings. Thus, after a plate is read by the first camera, nothing prevents from that car to go crazy up to 150 mph if the driver wants to, then make a "stop" on the side road before the second SPEC camera reading, and get away with not being fined. Of course, this would be an extremely inconvenient situation and defeats the purpose of speeding after all, and the main reason why these cameras do manage to slow you down, as it is the "average time passed between them" (equal to the average speed you drove by), what actually counts.
@@robsayer8028 You odometer (Speedo to me and you only needs to be +/- 10% this is why they under rate them. Odometers need to be accurate within plus or minus 10 percent. Example: If a customer drives 100 miles and the odometer is three miles off, that would be a three percent error, which is within the design parameters for this component and would indicate no need to replace the odometer.
@@andrewstevenson1449 when you say they need be accurate with in so many percent +\- they are allowed to more inaccurate if they read high than if they read low.
Great video, thanks. DORSET POLICE - my wife and I travelled for 3.5 hours to get to Bournemouth for a long weekend break there ( first ever visit). It was a long drive there all along the south coast in heavy traffic, with numberless roundabouts, traffic light junctions, the dual carriageways. Speed limits changing constantly. I was watching my speed very carefully throughout. Having to hold back the car, burn more fuel since driving at uneconomical speeds. The we finally get within striking distance of Bournemouth and start down the A338 dual carriageway, Lovely clear road, nice sunny day. I notice there is a 50 mph speed limit comes into play, on a wide dual carriageway, plus speed camera signs, and the average speed check. These are always a problem but fair enough if there are road works - BUT THERE ARE NO ROADWORKS - they just make it a 50mph speed limit on this dual carriageway. WHY ? Anyway, I obeyed the speed limit I thought, driving in 4th not 5th gear. AFTER THE WEEKEND away I get a letter from Dorset Police - they say I was recorded as doing 58mph in that 50mph area. Now, do I just accEpt the ticket ( FPN) pay the fine (£100 I suppose) and accept 3 points on my licence - or do I opt to go to court ? ( I am 73 yrs young, been driving since I was 17 yrs old, and driving a Nissan Note these days). Driving for me has now become a nightmare. I already have 3 points on my license from another speeding offence - doing 37 mph on a dual carriageway where the speed limit suddenly dropped to 30 mph from 40mph on the approach to green traffic light junction. Is this all a plot to make people give up driving all together !!!??? I am never going back to Bournemouth. Really fed up. My Insurance premiums go up for the next 4-5 years- highly punitive. Mamma Mia !! ( Other words/expleteives held back since this is RUclips !!).
If you have no evidence you werent speeding (such as dashcam footage with GPS calculated speed recorded on it) then I wouldnt risk going to court as you have no defence.
@@davidhall7811 Thank you for that David. Yes, I cannot argue against the photographic evidence they would produce. I just have to go for the fixed penalty. If I am going to be doing distance driving I think I will need some onboard technology of my own - more expense !
@@sunnylotus1 I installed dashcams in both of my vehicles after being falsely charged by Avon and Somerset police. I was fortunate in that they offered a speed awareness course which I took up as I had no evidence to defend myself with. Installing the dashcam helped absolve us of any blame a couple of years later when I was involved in a head-on collision involving three cars but caused by a 4th who didnt stop, so I would always recommend getting one anyway.
Why aren’t speed cameras outside every school. ? There meant to be on a stretch of road that has had 3 accidents but they are everywhere. Another Tax 🤷🏼
The thing is why does anyone need to speed past a school? cameras shouldn't be there, but because we have people who don't care they speed everywhere and it's these inconsiderate arses that these cameras are set up.
@@A190xx you should see how quick people flew down the road where my school was you will be surprised. The road has like 3 other schools as well. About 3 people were hit by a car from speeding lucky they were all fine. But if it was a primary school kid that would be a different story.
I didn’t think you could speed past a school with the amount of cars parked dropping off children on both side of the road I thought they narrowed the road down to one lane
Good video, Just to add and might be mentioned elsewhere. I have entered a speed averaging stretch without paying attention then realising down the road that I was going way too fast so had to slow right down below the average speed set, for some distance to offset the distance already covered. Kind of requires a bit of mental arithmatic to visualise it but hey it passes the time 😁 Speed = Distance ÷ by time
When speed radars were first introduced in NZ they had to put a sign 1/2 a mile down the road warning you and in Japan speed cameras must be have warnings and while this may seem pointless it does do what the camera is meant to do - slow cars down - only without the fine that goes with the camera ticket.
Thank you, for your very informative video, I never intentionally speed, but obviously everyone some times inadvertently goes over the speed limit. I believe it was Tony Blair that said all speed cameras should be painted yellow...But I don't know if it became law.
There's a layby in Somerset where they often put a camera van surveying an empty 400 yard stretch. No houses, no junctions. So, in the crazy mind of the plod, exceeding 40mph is more dangerous there than it is further along where there's a series of tight bends on which idiots DO try to overtake. Safety? BS.
266k views.Even if only 1% of viewers did not get a ticket just by watching this video,that is still 2600 people you saved money and points. Well done sir !
Interesting thought process, I've robbed the government of a considerable amount of revenue, but they won't care because their main aim is to "make the road safe"
@@CorpsMedia Any type of camera that issues fines is a money making scheme pure and simple. Us motorists already pay ridiculous sums of money to be on roads.
They are placed for revenue because speed cameras are funded by "Safety Camera Partnerships" that are funded by running the courses which you can choose to go on instead of getting 3 points on your licence (if its your first speeding ticket)
Not always if its your first speeding ticket ... my Dad got caught once and once only, 10mph over in a 50 zone. He wasn't offered a course, just got the 3 points and a fine.
@@CooCuMbEr That period is 3 years. The record of you having attended a driver training class stays on the NDRS database however for 6 years... (National Driver Retraining Scheme). I went on a speed awareness course in August 2015. I was quite fortunate and was right on the very limit. 42mph in a 30 in Croydon in mid 2015 by a traffic officer. 43 was 3 points + fine. Took forever to hear back, ended up waiting around 6 weeks to receive an offer of a course. Paid the £100 and attended it a month or so later.
@@phillwainewright4221 10Mph is usually too far over the threshold for a course. I got one for 42 in a 30 in 2015 but that was in the Met's territory and back then I believe they issued courses up to 42mph in a 30, 43 would literally have been points and a fine.
Hi there! First off, great video! I'm from the West Midlands (old South Staffs actually) so I understood your accent perfectly - just in case some people whinge about your accent! LOL I've been driving since 1975 and hold both a full car and motor cycle licence. Most of my working life was spent in the motor trade and during that 'life' I covered many, many hundreds of miles on road test - some(!) of those miles at speeds that were, shall we say, a little north of legal! Also - during that time - I was 'done' only once for speeding (more by luck than judgement!) and since leaving the motor trade proper, I have fallen foul of a speed camera (one in a van) once as well. As a matter of interest, I've been involved in a few minor accidents too down the years - ALL at speeds BELOW 30mph! As someone who has been interested in driving since I was a young child (I have pictures of me in a pedal car at 'Uncle Eric's pedal car track in Rhyl, North Wales dating back to the early '60's!) I have become ever more annoyed by the way cameras have been used to sneakily extort money from the easiest target/cash-cow of all - the motorist. I totally agree that if someone is driving dangerously, then they should be penalised for it - but speed ISN'T always the issue! BAD DRIVING is! A proficient driver doing 100mph at 3am on an empty motorway is surely no more dangerous than a tw*t doing 40 in a 30 at 3pm in a school zone! I drive for a living now, and on a daily basis, I see people out there who really shouldn't be in charge of a loaded wheel barrow - let alone a motor vehicle! FFS, why do they insist on teaching people to drive at 20mph? When I was learning, I'd get a b*llocking from my instructor, for not making adequate progress! LOL No, in my opinion, the major issues with motoring and speeding today are thus: 1/ Too many people think holding a driving licence is their 'right' It ISN'T, its a privilege to be earned! 2/ The powers that be see this attitude as acceptable and a sure fire way to bring in revenue and thus are okay with drivers passing their tests whether they are good enough to do so or not.. 3/ Not enough mitigation is possible with a poxy 'safety' (read speed/cash generating) camera. I could go on, but lets see what kind of feedback we get to this comment before I do. Once again, many thanks for the video. :-)
Very informative, especially the legal side as I thought all cameras had to be clearly visible. Ah well just goes to show how are driving habits will need to be more discipled in the future!
Good job, man. Thanks for this. Been driving independently for nearly six years and still learning. You always learn new things when driving, regardless of how long you've been driving for. I never break the speed limit, I always say to people the limit is the maximum. That's why it's called a speed limit and not a speed target. For example, just because a road is say 40, it doesn't always mean it's safe to do the full 40. It's just the driver has the use common sense. Again, thanks for the video, man. Keep up the good work.
Trajectory average speed checking is the latest fashion. You can dodge static camera's (by knowing where they are) you can dodge mobile camera's (with apps) but not the trajectory ones. They are built as mouse traps, with only one way in and one way out and without the possibility to turn left or right before the 2nd camera.
In Australia the rules about speedometers were changed in 2007. Since then most new cars have speedos set 7-9% fast so if you're actually doing 100km/hr your speedo can be reading 107+, which doesn't give you an excuse if picked up for being 1km/hr over the limit. Our speed cameras use laser beams to detect the speed and can be forcing the oncoming vehicle or facing the rear, which means motorcyclist can be picked up even though they don't have a front licence plate. In some areas we have average speed cameras, but I know of one set where, unfortunately, there's a rest point in the middle. Even so, plenty of people have been charged with having an average speed well over the limit.
I remember when I was riding quick, came off a corner at around 120mph and sped up to around 140mph before realising their was a mobile speed camera, I slowed right down to the 60mph speed limit and had no choice but to ride past it, so as I got near it I done a wheelie for about a quarter of a mile until I got round a bend, never got a ticket. And I’ve never got a ticket since and never will😁
Also big note, You can get points and a fine by a speed camera while you are on a push cycle, electric cycle, skateboard, rollerskating, rollerblading etc. You can get points on your licence even if you have no pink(full) or green(provisional). It is not 12 points for disqualify. It is 12 points in a three year period, and points come off on year four, leaving a possible window of one year to get more than 12 points and not be disqualified. Also on year four you have to apply and pay (£20 basic admin fee) DVLA to have the points removed else they will be still valid and on your licence. This rule does not apply to new drivers where it is six points total in first two years and you will need to retake your test to get your licence back.
Not quite true their. The instant bann after acquiring 12 points within a 3 year period is "advisory", but any judge has the power to overule said advice, and allow a driver to keep their license (most don`t). I`ve read cases where people have had more than 20 points on their licenses before getting caught and getting yet more points before being banned. Also, points on your license are valid for 3 years, not four, but will remain on your license for 5 years, even though they have no legal value. Last of all, if a driver has held a license for less than 2 years (new driver), and they acquire 6 points within any 6 month period within that 2 years, they have the option of doing their test again, OR accepting a 6 month bann, but keep their full license active, which was what happened to someone i know.
Not sure where you got that information from, but it's completely wrong. You can't get points on your license for "speeding" on a bicycle or a skateboard etc because the road traffic act which governs this ONLY applies to motor vehicles. A skateboard or a pedal cycle isn't deemed as a motor vehicle and as such the legislation does not apply. On your logic, if you ran past a speed camera and set it off, you'd be liable for points on your driving license too? Running is deeemd no different to being on a pedal cycle when the road traffic act "motor vehicle" element is present. Most pedal cycles or even rollerbladers, skateboarders etc won't set off a camera anyway, they're designed to activate on larger vehicles, so there's no guarantee you'll even set it off even if you are speeding. If you are prosecuted, it won't be for "speeding" it would just be "wanton riding" or "riding a bicycle without due care/attention" there's certain legislation that still applies to bicycles and non-motor vehicles however speeding and speed cameras don't apply to it. The part about points is mostly correct, for the majority of offences it's 4 years on the license, with a 5 year as an "admin" year for them to be removed but they aren't "valid" during that admin year. There are exceptions though, for drink driving and causing death by either dangerous or careless driving, the points remain on your license for 11 years.
@@thefiestaguy8831 🤣 I say to you. In UK you can get points by speeding on a push bike. Source: Legislation Gov website. Your source - = your mythical brain.
@@pqrstzxerty1296 Please link me to the part where it says you can get points for speeding on a push bike? Speeding offences relate to motor vehicles, a push bike isn't a motor vehicle. You can't be prosecuted for speeding on a push bike, rollerblade, etc but you can be done for other offences such as dangerous riding (cycling) or wanton riding (essentially riding in a furious way). If a push bike was a motor vehicle, then it would require insurance, since we know push bikes don't require insurance to be used on the road, they aren't motor vehicles as deemed by the legislation that governs it.
Now one country where there is no yellow painting on the speed control material is Belgium where those "are anonymous". Their colour is grey or dark green in woods, forests etc .... roads.
Outstanding presentation chap! Bravo!! I personally feel that if as driver’s in the first instance....had better attitudes with one and another!! The Law would not carry such weight with the continued Road safety chest nuts!! Road safety should be respectful attitude towards each other while operating a potential death machine!! We really do need to Demand Law Reform!!! And all calm down out on the public highway!! Chill!!! Peace Solidarity Truth!! Best wishes! Cheers
I travel a lot along the M25, M1, M6 and M5. What is frustrating are the overhead speed signs that are often incorrect almost as if they have not been updated - advising of road debris or a stranded vehicle no longer there. Sometimes, signs can also be contradictory, particularly through roadworks. I don’t condone speeding but some violations are due to confusion.
Brilliant video mate and thank you for explaining about the cameras I must say I got caught in a 30 mile an hour zone doing 34 Castle Durham being a key worker at the time I am very upset about this situation the van was not my it was just a white van with Noddy there with his camera I am not paying it I feel absolutely disgusted I have argued with them they have put it back I cannot do speed awareness course until April but to be truthful mate I go want to do that I had livestock on board could not break there were just fields at the side of me before town centre which obviously I slow down to the best of my ability feel then absolutely disgusting I am arguing with them at this moment I am not going to pay for it and I am not going on a speed awareness they can rock on
The 10% + 2mph rule is to allow for tolerance in speedometer inaccuracy. However, as pointed out in the video, you can be prosecuted if your 1mph above the limit. This relies on you admitting to knowing you were over the limit so the answer to the question, when asked, "do you know what speed you were going?" Is always "no". Its up to the courts to decide if a case is heard or not, not the police's. All the police can do is present the evidence to the court, who will then decide if to prosecute or not. If your within the 10% + 2mph the chances are your money is safe in your pocket. It is a risk, as the cost of the fpn is far lower than you could be fined in court, however, any solicitor worth their weight would have the conviction thrown out before you had to step anywhere near a court. Accepting a fpn at the roadside is not an admission of guilt and does not have to be paid if you wish to challenge it and risk going to court. There's a very useful drivers guide (the name currently escapes me and I don't have my copy to hand) which gives you lots of information on the do's and dont's when interacting with the police at the roadside, as far as I'm aware it's still available. If I find my copy I'll update this with the title.
From Fraser, husband of Leslie Don't forget that every "student" sent to a Speed Awareness Course nets the police £40 out of the £100 charge. A "nice little eaner" !
The police don't profit from that money it funds the mobile speed enforcement operations and they barely brake even but any money that is left over is ring fenced and used for road safety campaigns.
@@glockeva1 Not always easy. I was changing lanes at traffic lights in Worcester.. The signage for lane was at the lights, me in wrong lane, i sped up slightly on bike to get in right lane to cross bridge with lots of traffic rushing up behind. Totally unaware there was a speed camera watching the lights for this very purpose. Three lane one way road is poorly signed at 30mph. Third of folks on the speed awareness course caught by this camera. SAC was total waste of time. I later rode the route, the two 30mph signs hidden in bushes. The road should have 30 painted on them.
I am 62 yrs old now and have been driving safely since I was 20 yrs old. I find driving now so stressful because you cannot just drive to conditions and ability anymore you have to be constantly watching your speed and watching out for cameras of all kinds. I am not sure it is safer in fact I am sure it is less safe for the average driver with good intent.
I am of the same mindset. My instincts and learning over the years have been to drive to conditions. My first speeding fine was for doing 34 in a 30 on an urban dual carriageway, going downhill, when it was dark, raining heavily and lots of traffic all round. Very difficult to spend time looking down at your speedometer in those conditions. Yes, I went over the limit, people say and say if the conditions were difficult I should have been going slower- but in my book I was driving to conditions and concentrating so hard on driving safely - and the difference between 30 and 34 is marginal in the scheme of things. We are essentially being conditioned to drive like robots....
Got to love the pious replies on here saying " if you don't speed you don't get caught". Have you never lost attention for a moment and gone 2 or 3 mph over a limit. If not you are incredible driver's and I bow down to you. The police / revenue raising partnerships lose any position if respect when they ticket people for being nominal amounts over a limit because it is so easy to do unintentionally. It is simply an easy way to police and has removed a level of judgement that a traditional copper would use.
Enforcement starts at 10%+2 so nobody is getting a ticket for 2 or 3mph over. Also the police make no profit from speed enforcement so money is not their incentive, most of the mobile sites are community concern areas where local communities request their presence due to problems with speeding.
Julian - I have been driving for over fifty years and have never had even a blip on my license nor a fine of any type - it's not hard to do, so thank you for bowing down to me.
Your comment is a bit moot though. That's why the tolerances exist. You don't often get prosecuted for 2-3 mph over. Most people who have been prosecuted for that typically are from years ago. NPCC guidance was bought in quite a while back (I believe 2014) and most forces now never prosecute below 10%+ typically 2mph... so "slightly straying" over the limit wouldn't trigger a camera.
There is one important type of new camera you missed out. This works on "Pizzo electric" which means it has sensors under the road which are triggered by the weight of the car or motorbike. they go by a wire under the road to the camera and cannot be tampered with or signal jammed, and work in all weathers.
Ron Angel ... I wonder if they catch and report police drivers who unlawfully break the speed limits on our roads every day of the week and in or on, every single vehicle... (yes .. of course, when not on an emergency call!) We should campaign to have ALL drivers prosecuted!
@Michael MurrayInduction coil on earlier ones "Piezoelectric" sensor on these. induction coil can be jammed from the car with a powerful electric field or radio type signal on the same frequency they work on from under the car, a bit like magnetic mine units on WWII ships to give wrong or unreliable readings." Piezoelectric" cant as sending shielded signal generated from the weight of vehicle size-independent directly by wire to control unit. ( PS: I am a retired electronics and electrical engineer)
@@thepianoman1010 How do you know they aren't. As a police driver myself... most of the public are completely clueless about our exemptions. No - we don't need to use blue lights or sirens to make use of ANY of the exemptions - there's guidance to state we should but ultimately it's not a breach of law if we don't, and there are certain situations when I've seen it done (including overtaking a car on a residential road without warning equipment), it's perfectly legal to do so but not advisable. If we're going to a job, and the driver doesn't need to use the blues, or the siren, they might choose not to. Obviously this increases the chance of a collision due to the fact we're less visible if the speed is there, but it's rarely done but does ocassionally happen. People are often also wrong and quote "Must be going to an emergency call" to make use of exemptions. This is also wrong. The actual reality is "Must be for a policing purpose". If it was for an "emergency call only" none of the police escort vehicles which escort VIPs and government officials around the city on blue lights, would be able to use their blue lights or make use of exemptions, because they're not "going to an emergency call". Ultimately the driver of the vehicle is the one who must justify their actions to not only a police disciplinary panel, but also a court of law if necessary. I've seen police drivers innappropriately use their exemptions before in the past, and I won't say it doesn't happen, because it does. But the reality is the majority of drivers use their exemptions sensibly and as per policy. The rule about using warning equipment is IF to NOT use them would "Hinder progress". In other words if we're going to be stuck in traffic without them, whilst say going to a call, then it's beneficial to use them. If however it's 2am and there's an empty clear road ahead, then someone might decide not to use them, in practise they're almost always used even on clear empty roads but it's not a legal obligation. If you've ever been on a police response drive it's an entirely different way of driving, taught to the roadcraft system we're usually told not to exceed "double plus 10", i.e 70 in a 30, 90 in a 40. Again there's nothing saying we can't but it increases the chances of our traffic department giving us points on our job driving permits if we're involved in a collision, and of course worseness any damage or injury.
If you use a speed camera detection system like Road Angle and act upon the information or use a radar jammer and get caught, you can be prosecuted. However having a satnav like TomTom, with speed camera locations built into the system, thats a different matter.
Laser jammers are legal to own & fit. BUT they are illegal to actually use. If you do use one, then you are actively perverting the course of justice. Owning and acting upon a detector (like the Valentine 1 I have) is NOT illegal in the UK. In France it is illegal to even have one in the car not switched on. Italy & Spain have made them illegal too. There was a time back in the 1980's & 1990's when you COULD be prosecuted under the the Wireless & Telegraphy Act 1949 for using a radar detector. Then after successful appeals, prosecutions were stopped. Check out your facts before posting. www.radar-detectors.co.uk/page/radar-detector-law
It's NPCC (formerly ACPO) guidance and forces don't have to follow it. In practise they do but they can prosecute below if there are other aggravating factors it's more likely. Intrigued to know when this was. I got a SAC for 42 in a 30 in the Met's area in 2015. I was quite lucky to say the least as 43 in a 30 would have been 3 pts + fine.
So for all these infrared cameras, you’ll find shinning an infrared light (invisible to the naked eye) at your plates will completely white them out when captured. Similar to how a reflective transparent material will obscure anything it’s placed on or over when captured by a flash.
The myth about cameras having to be painted yellow was born out of a 'treaty' (for want of a better word) between some police forces, in that they agreed to paint them yellow to be more of a deterrent. Not all forces/agencies signed up to it and kept them at their standard grey
5:20.....I read an article a few weeks ago, a police officer interviewed stated that there is no legal requirement for them to be visible. They could park up and camouflage themselves if they wanted to and they wouldn't be breaking any rules. What the officer did say was that they try and be 'fair' with drivers. Which I disagree with. I had an incident a few weeks ago with a speed van (wasn't caught thankfully) but where the van was positioned was very deliberate - on a bend just next to the carriageway that runs downhill, and in a location of the road where at that time of the morning the sun is up high blinding the drivers if there is no cloud. There was no cloud on this morning but thankfully I wasn't speeding - but it was very late before I saw the van at the side of the road owing to the frigging sun!! They are always very clever in how they position themselves I have noticed. Insidious!!
There’s a section of the A35 near Puddletown on the Puddletown Bypass where they always seem to place a speed camera van. It’s usually in a lay-by, on a bend, at the bottom of a steep hill, and there’s no signs telling you what the speed limit is. Also, of a morning or late evening, the sun gets in your eyes so you can’t see the speedometer properly. Apparently, someone was clocked by a van parked there doing 105MPH. Ridiculous and only there to make money.
I find the carrot works better than the stick. If you come into town from a NSL road and make flashing sign thanks you for slowing down to 30 then you're likely to stay at 30. It it's a speed camera then your speed will begin to creep up once the 'danger' has passed.
Need to correct you my friend. Average speed cameras with 40 limit for example- if you go past the first camera at 60 then realise the speed limit and slow to 20 for equal amount of distance then your average speed will be 40.
No it won't, your average speed will not be 40mph (but it will make you safe from fine). First a question to see if you understand averages: Suppose you cover 1 mile at 30 mph, what speed must you travel the next mile so that the average speed for the two miles is 60 mph? Now let's look at your suggestion of 20mph: let's suppose you travel 1mile at 60mph and then 1 mile (the same distance) at 20mph. The time taken to cover the 2 miles is 1mile/60mph + 1mile/20mph = 1 min+ 3 min = 4 mins. Average speed for the 2miles is 2miles/4 mins = 30mph To average 40mph you need to cover the 2 miles in 2 miles/40mph = 3 mins, which means the second mile needs to be covered in 2 mins (as the first was covered in 1 minute at 60 mph), therefore 1mile/2mins = 30 mph - drive the same distance at 30mph that you did at 60mph and your average speed will be 40mph. However this assumes instantaneous speed changes from 60mph to 30 mph; it will in reality be a continuous decrease. Now back to the question I asked. To cover the 2 miles at 60mph requires you to cover the 2 miles in 2 minutes, but at 30mph it takes 2 minutes to cover 1 mile. This you have to cover the 2nd mile on no time at all - "infinitely fast". Realistically it can't be done. Speeds are "averages" themselves - you cannot average speeds. (And someone commented on the poor teaching of averages...there's also a lack of understanding of ratios and fractions).
I know the UK has a target to issue 1,000,000 speeding tickets this year just in London alone, last year 360,000 were issued. I find that bizarre but I assume this is applicable throughout the whole UK and not just London as I've noticed 3-4 flashes on the m1 per hour when I drive on it. I don't remember it being like that last year. Anyway, I just discovered my car has cruise control so I set it to 70 and chill, when I lived in Cardiff and travelled to Swansea I'd bolt it 100 the whole way through on the m4, it's a miracle I've never been issued a speeding ticket tbh but it's quite nice to set the cruise and just relax and not worry about cameras
@@CorpsMedia I saw it published a few mainstream articles (which nowadays means jack) but this is the exact text from the 'evening standard': "Chief Superintendent Simon Ovens of the Met’s Roads and Transport Policing Command, speaking at a meeting of the London Assembly transport committee on Tuesday, said TfL has “a clear position to get to a target of one million prosecutions a year for speeding”. He said there were more than 360,000 prosecutions for speeding offences in London during 2021 and 263,000 during 2020."
@@Ayoutubeaccount3 I did some research on it, I think its crazy to set a quota to catch speeders. I guess the only way to up the anti would be to put them in more tricky and deceptive places
Those are Watchman cameras, owned and operated by Tameside council. All they can do report you to police for an alleged violation. The registered keeper of the vehicle MUST receive the NIP within 7 days of the offense for it to be enforceable. Tameside council are incapable of doing anything that fast!
@@barnseyfrommossley Since when? NIPs have always been "served within 14 days" not 7. Note that it says "served" not "Delivered". Served just means posted, and it is deemed "served" one day after it is posted as they use first class post to send them out. If it is sent out on day 6 but doesn't arrive until day 16 due to a postal delay it's still valid. It's only when they send it out really close to the 14th day (i.e post it out on the 13th day) it can be argued it's not valid when it invariably arrives later than day 14. And yes, you are correct, those are Watchman cameras.
A new trick in the north east/yorkshire area on A roads you pass a mobile van,speed up thinking you're safe about 1/5 to 1 mile later there's a second mobile van usually just round a bend.Got ya
All we need to do now is design a camera to go off if people are plodding along at 15-20 mph below the speed limit......it works both ways....speed doesn't kill....inappropriate speed kills 😉
Near where I live... There is a tree that catches a fair few speeders. The tree is on the exit of an off camber corner in town just past a 20mph school zone... But it also sits at the end of a 4 mile straight urban road. The speed limit for the majority is 40mph, this drops to 30 and them to 20 for the school, then sits the corner.... We had a mobile speed trap van once, talking to the dude.... He said he'd caught 140 exceeding 40mph in just 1 hour. The tree catches around 1 night time speeder a month.. In January, it caught a dude and his mate, exceeding 120mph. His car was cut in half and looked like a shredded bean can. 1 less knob on the road. The tree lost a little bark. Tree scored another last night... His cakky Corsa is still in bits by the roadside along with a pile of plastic n glass. Driving standards have certainly tumbled over recent years. There's far too many knobs on the roads and as cars have got safer people drive faster in search of excitement.
Years ago on the Radio 4 program Genius the guest judge suggested that we should remove airbags and place a spike facing the driver on the steering wheel - that would concentrate the mind on safer driving...
Driving in average speed check zones is quite unpleasant. You spend way too much time watching your speedo, overtaking takes forever with everyone doing almost exactly the same speed (so drivers end up in each other’s blind spots for ages), tailgating seems even more prolific than normal, and it’s not like the 70mph speed limit is particularly fast to begin with. If you’re stuck for miles doing 50 its completely mind-numbing. Speed limits and their enforcement are a blunt instrument set with regard for the worst drivers, driving the worst cars, in the worst conditions. People are not the same, neither are their cars, and on any given day the conditions will be different. Speed limits are often far too arbitrary to warrant police enforcement in my opinion. Save the time and money for tackling bigger problems.
On top of that, the speed limits are from a time when car accidents were still routinely lethal. Heavy cars with mile long breaking distance, no airbag and not crumble zone, and often not even seat belts. Cars now are many times safer, even at higher speeds, we can afford to have higher limits.
Er no. If it takes forever to overtake then it's not worth overtaking so don't. Don't stare at the speedometer just chill and drive at the required speed. Anyway engine sound and 'feel' of the car tells an experienced driver how fast he/she is going. Bad driving kills 2,000 people a year and makes life a misery for tens of thousands.
@@StarlasAiko Cars are safer yes, mostly for the people inside the car, but what if you crash into a car that isnt as modern and safe? Or a pedestrian?
There is Gatso speed camera (I believe)* near where I live in sussex, it places in middle of dual carriage way, so it can turn to catch drivers for example one month it could be facing wsst bound and three months later it can be turn around to face east bound, which means it could flash a driver going opposite way of spreading driver, also I noticed that with Gatso camera (also I believe)*, is if a emergency services vehicle going towards the camera and they over take a vehicle and going on the opposite side of the road the camera will flashes. * these cameras are yellow box with camera painted on the back off then
I was told that the new craze is to break into the power supply at the base of the post, rip out the fuse and cut the control cables. The other craze is to superglue the lock on the access door as this costs the councils in having to get the locks replaced.....these people hate the police and the councils.
Haha try that on the lower M6 new ones they are set in 1½metre thick concrete. We made the main posts for the project around 30 of them. Thank God I don't live anywhere near the M6 🤔🤣😂
I wouldn’t do anything like that myself....but the police haters go around causing damage and inconvenience. They’ve moved on from setting fire to tyres on cameras to trying to incapacitate them with spray paint , glue and even eggs !! Apparently they leave a horrible slimy gel on the lense.
Yeah cameras are great for gathering money and I agree the average speed type are the best option. All this is great for traffic. What worries me more is that the trend is not to use cameras instead of policing which like the speed camera is only of any use when it's too late.
The other one the gasto ones I know they can't flash when you drive towards them. I've had this happern to me at night when someone got caught and it flashed so I was blinded and nearly lost control of my coach. I was going towards it can't do anything about that
Had a lovely chat with a copper here in Ireland who was explaining to me that they were "trying to save lives" with their speed traps. I suggested to them if that was the case, he should join the Samaritans as twice as many people die by suicide than on the roads. When I pushed him a little on it, he suddenly decided it wasn't about saving lives after-all. Odd that.
speed vans warning the camera can be facing from the back or the sides of the van there are cctv on all sides of the vans and they are fitted with anpr ... not saying all of the vans are like this but alot are becomming like this
Things to look out for, speed limit signs and the number showing on your speedo, if the latter is the same or lower than the former, then you'll be fine
i was a boy racer for a year and a half then Got caught 53 in a 30 on the wrong side of the road ( it doesn't register the other lane, or so i thought it just registers the direction of traffic) realised there were a camera and tried to avoid it last second, was stupid, went to court got 5 points and £295 fine due to needing my licence for work. Don't drive stupid, you'll get caught one day tm, i just admitted what i did, i didn't try and fight it or get a solicitor, i wrote in the letter that i was sorry and behaviour was stupid i wrote the reason i needed a car and it worked out in my favour, i believe the system is kinder to people who can admit when there in the wrong, so don't try and fight it.
We had something a few weeks ago - it was a new 20 limit (dropping from national speed limit), with signs at the side on the way into a village (one covered by trees) and with a 30 limit still painted on the road. I only realised when I saw a 20 sign further down the road - I'd just gone past a camera, and I was doing 26-28. I'd been sticking to what I thought was a 30 limit... Now I guess I just wait for the letter... I have no issue with enforcing the 30-40 limits, they often make sense. But some of the new "stealth" 20 limits really bother me. I'd go 20 near a school, or down a high street, but it's gotta be well signposted.
If they were truly only about road safety, they would have put the speed limit on the back of the Gatso box, then people wouldn't be slamming on the brakes on a 40 or 50 road trying to get down to 30 just in case.
In N Wales those new roadside cameras on bright yellow poles must be painted with special paint,because at night they are totally invisible while grey lamp posts are easily seen.
In wales 1mph over and your booked. 0 % tolerance there. Got caught on way back from anglesey track and i was 1mph over in van. Had to do the course🙈🤦♂️
That's where I got my ticket. I was doing 60 on the motorway and missed a 50 variable speed sign. I was in the inside lane with no traffic in the picture they sent me. I could only assume that is was an error that the variable speed was on as there was no indication as to why!
@@CorpsMedia there doesn't have to be a visible reason for the limit changes, its deemed for safety, wether it be on the road in question or a nearby roadway/junction
ANPR camera, tiny ones on lampposts, mainly black, and look like Crows, but has a wifi aerial. Gets power from the lampost and uses wifi to transmit data, uses internal infrared. These do ANPR checks, but also can do speed if setup, no flash needed, no film (again does inverse, take photos of all, if reg plate and speed ok, it will delete, so dirty plates or hidden hairsprayed plates the photos will be kept and analyised by a person doing digital adjustments on the photo to get your reg plate. Some now in 2020 2021 have a yellow plastic covering which looks like the old blue Trafficmaster transmitters for fm traffic news, most thou are tiny black cameras hidden ( say 10cm x 4cm x 4cm (+ 4cm wifi aerial) ) on lampposts - you never see them unless you really look and you think it a bird like a Crow on the Lamppost. SPECS / SPARCS - been told all reg plates have been photos, and can do ANPR check if setup to do them too. If you car is not speeding or not wanted by Police, then deletes your car photo. This means if you go throu the first speeding, and somehow evaide the next camera, longside a truck in blindspot or go cross country, your first photo will be kept for manual checking by a person. Also for SPECS / SPARCS - only a first and other camera is needed. To save money resources, multiple posts with camera are setup on that road. You will not know which is the first or last camera that the averge speed will be calculated from. They all could be dummies, or two are real the rest are dummies, or all are real. Council cctv - it has been said their new digital systems can do everything a ANPR can if setup to do so, as the cctv picture feed just put in a live computer running the software for reg plate gathering for mot, tax, insurance, warrants, disqualified owner, tracking of vehicle for police knowledge, parking and SPEED.
Average speed cameras were introduced on the A9 Inverness to Dunblane road in 2014, 27 different cameras over a 136 mile stretch of road. Without doubt, these cameras slow drivers down and save lives, within 24 months, fatal accidents had reduced by 68%. Prior to the 27 new cameras, there were 2 Gatso cameras on the 136 miles of road.
Additionally, they have made driving the A9 much more pleasurable as they also raised the HGV speed limit from the normal single carriageway 40 to 50mph
@@KentReynolds Well, yes, but it's such a fine margin as to not be worth it as you'd need to be over by just one or two mph to get away with it. The cameras clock the time it takes to pass between them, not the speed you're doing, and can work out the average speed you're doing by simply taking the time it took to pass the two cameras. To bore you with the maths: If two cameras are placed 2 miles apart and the average speed limit is 50mph, then it would take 2:30 to pass between them. If you were doing 60mph, you'd do it in two minutes. To bring your average down to the legal limit, you'd effectively have to stop completely for 30 seconds. At 70, you'd cover the distance in a little over 1:40, meaning you'd have to stop completely for almost 50 seconds. This kind of defeats the purpose of speeding in the first place. TL;DR - It's very difficult to beat them, so don't bother trying.
Average speed cameras - you do not "need to be going at a constant speed". Where I live, the (A24 Box Hill) traffic often plods along at 40mph for half the distance, then on the two lane section, you can do 60mph to average 50mph. You can also speed past either camera with no repercussions.
I remember some bikers being reported in MCN for speeding along a main A road in the peak district, where the local authority put a some average speed cameras. They got off with it, because the halfwits that installed them put them on a twisty "long way round" route, yet did`nt realise, there was a local lane that cut straight through the main long route, the lane being at national speed limit for a single carraigeway road being 60mph. The main route road was 40. The local police tried to claim the bikers were doing in excess of 100mph, which even isle of man racers would have been hard to acheive.
Rubbish! The purpose is to slow traffic and reduce accident's, on average 5 people over day die on uk roads per day. Fact. If they wanted to raise money they'd put a camera van on every corner.......
I remember more than 20 years ago, i was living in Kent and going to Brands hatch on my bike to the WSB round. I came off the A2 at whet was the then Tolgate junction and headed up through Meopham. As i left the A2, i tagged on to a group of about 20 bikers all en route to Brands. We were`nt hanging about, and coming out of Meopham village, heading to Meopham Green, there was a speed camera positioned a few yards past the "Camer Corner" junction which was facing at us. We did`nt slow down, and the thing went mad, i thought it was going to blow up.
There needs to be general review of speed limits as they were set in the 70s and a woefully out of date. It's ridiculous that small vans are subject to lower speed limits than SUVs and 4x4s. Drivers of small vans like Peugeot Partners and VW Caddies are being unfairly targeted by a system that expects them to know that they are subject to lower limits than cars while allowing drivers of tank like SUVs to travel 10mph faster.
@@raithrover1976 Unfair? Of course they should be expected to know if they are driving a car derived vehicle or a commercial vehicle. If you are behind the wheel it's YOUR responsibility.
@@bws833 It's unfair. The old Vauxhall Combo was classed as car-derived but the new one isn't despite being roughly the same size. Even police officers I've asked as well as managers within the transport industry seem confused about what's classed as car-derived and what's not. It often comes down to which box the dealership ticked when they were registering the vehicle. The lower speed limits for vans dates back to the 70s when van drivers were behind the wheel Sherpas and Bedfords (horrible things with a high centre of gravity and useless brakes). Personally, I'd simplify the speed limit system and have just two types of vehicle classification: light and heavy with 3.5t being the dividing line between them.
Had a clean licence for over 10 years now. Got caught in a 20mph zone going 24mph and got 3 points and a fine (police woman on a bike with a speed gun caught me). I think I’ll be biter about this for the rest of my life. Good video by the way. Subbed.
Were you not offered the speed awareness course?
I've just been "CAUGHT"
doing exactly the same speed as you. Very suspicious.
I'm not bitter either
What police jurisdiction were you in for them not to offer you a speed awareness course for such a minor offence?
Me too 34 in a 30. I was caught accelerating on the edge of a 30 going into a 50. The miserable **** was stood 2 yards inside the limit. I live life now as convicted criminal 🙄
That's shocking
you will never run a worker over on the motorway there is never anyone working
Yes your right they repair themselves….. duh
And on country roads where I live. Typical protocol: Cordon off 1 Lane of the road, dig a hole, leave for 4 months, then come back and fill it in.
@@mac243877 😂😂 haven't seen or heard "duh" in a while now. Thanks
@@malcolmabram2957 ..Those cones don't just magically appear over night... somebody has to put them out 🤣 !
What really annoys me is the road work signs left behind sometime years after everything has been finished. The police also leave their temporary 'Accident' signs around months after the incident! These things can cause accidents as local people already aware of these things can run into somebody unaware slamming their brakes on when seeing the signs!
I'm too busy avoiding pot holes. Focussed thirty yards in front is not safe focus on the road ahead
The UK has NO potholes! Visit other countries and see actual potholes
@@dillansibanda Where on earth do you live in the UK that has no potholes? Take me there 😂 there’s millions around where i live 😅
@@dillansibandaidk if this is satire or some lame attempt at a joke, uk roads have claimed the lives of dozens of cars mate, tyres, and bottom of vehicles been getting destroyed now for ages, driving in the uk is like playing minesweeper …
@saskiaw.6776 what you call pothole are literally nothing, I have seen real potholes
@@YStizz yall need to travel a bit further in order to appreciate what you have
I once saw one those early boxy speed cameras ( mounted on a pole with markers on the road etc ) was crashed into and the impact had knocked it over and someone had left a bunch of flowers and a note saying
'missing you at 90 mph! "
Luckily for me, the town i live in have fully dismantled all speed cameras and replaced them with a warning digital speed boards, which for me, actually works better than a punishment of a fine. As you approach the board it tells you, and every driver behind you , what speed you are doing. Its also a good way to check your speedometer is correct. The town I live in did this because they said they weren't getting the revenue back from the treasury from the fines they were generating, and it was costing the town more to maintain, run and process the fines, than it was getting back. It must be, I would say 12 to 15 years ago now that all speed cameras disappeared in my town. Can give you a false scence of security when driving through a neighbouring town, as they all still have them, and you can forget until you see that big orange box approaching.
Bear in mind that it's not an accurate way to check your Speedo is correct.
You'd need to be driving DIRECTLY toward the laser for it to be correct, if you're driving off to the side of the scanner, it will be a lower number than your true speed.
Speedometers usually aren't correct, they are "out" from the factory, unless you have it calibrated (like police vehicles) it will typically over-read by 1-2mph as a rough guide. I had a car that over read by 3mph, and the last car I had over-read by 2mph. Legally they can't under-read (i.e display 30 on the speedo if you are doing 35) as the manufacturer would be liable to be sued in civil court for any speeding fines issued to anyone driving their cars.
All I can tell you is that, in my town, no radar trap is set so you drive at an angle towards it, well not in the town i live in anyway. That would surely defeat the purpose, why would any authority want to monitor your speed at a skewed angle? All the radar speed boards are set on straight roads, so you are always travelling straight towards them and can see them further down the road in the distance as you approach them and not around the next bend etc. And all I can, Also tell you is that from every radar speed notification board in my town, when iam approaching it and it lights up the speed it says iam travelling towards it at, what ever that speed may read, my speedometer agrees Wih the board. So if it flashes 30mph, I look at my speedometer, and low and behold it matches 30mph. If on a separate radar speed board I am approaching it. Straight on another long road, you have to slow down because its a school area, so approaching it at 20mph according to my speedometer, and low and behold again, this other independent radar speed board flashes up 20mph. Now that means of the 20 or so radar speed boards in my town, nearly all around schools, that they are all calibrated to my speedometer and all the radar speed boards are wrong :-J . Or? Now it may be someone else travelling towards these same radar boards may flash up 23mph, but when they double check their speedometer it still telling them 20mph. I should imagine that all these radar speed boards are calibrated correctly, as they are bounce back radar signals, and can easily be re-fitted with cameras again to be used in a court of law. As I say, all these radar boards did initially have cameras attached for prosecution of speeders, until my town deactivated all the cameras on them and just rely on. The radar information board to educate instead of just prosecuting.
@@garry1454 The way the radar is projected outwards and forwards from the radar means it is possible to set one off driving towards it, I've done exactly that with a Gatso a few years back. Flashed me driving towards it, no other cars on the road and nobody else about.
I don't recall whether I was going above the limit at the time but I just recall it flashing at me. The main thing is at the moment, to my knowledge you cannot be prosecuted for it as they are only approved for rear-facing photography.
An informative job there.
I'm all for road safety, but I can't help but feel that the authorities are missing a trick. It amazes me how most people prosecuted for speeding are decent law-abiding citizens, probably doing a small amount over the posted limit, who are no doubt concentrating on the road conditions rather than looking at their dashboard to check and compute mentally (which all takes vital seconds) that they are within the limit.
All this does, is, create a dislike towards the police, (which they definitely do not need) who I think do an amazing job, and I know that they don’t make the rules, only enforce them.
I also think that the limits are so inconsistent, I know about repeater signs and where there's streetlights etc. but, you get very similar entry/exits into and from towns and villages that have different limits; there doesn't seem to be much uniformity to them.
It’s a pity that they don’t reimburse the person who was driving/riding extremely safely, albeit marginally over the 30mph limit, when this very same person is driving/riding at 18mph in a 30mph limit due to the number of hazards they have detected. The police would gain far more credibility.
A few points here, I hope they make sense. As I said I am all for being safe on the roads, I just wish that there were as much emphasis on further driver/rider training as there is on these sorts of fines.
Completely with you on that - and HATE average speed cameras because I spend far too much time looking at the speedo and not watching the real issue of what's going on around me. I'm guilty of driving according to the conditions, traffic density etc, with an often assumed awareness of the speed limit, but only really sticking to it (+10% +1mph with cruise control set) when I know that there's a risk of cameras. Spent the last 30 years with somewhere between 0 and 3 points on licence at any one time and rarely get involved in any incidents despite doing 25 - 35k miles per year (used to be 80k as a truck driver). The issue is not speed - just inappropriate use of it and sadly we're all emasculated because of the idiots that can't work that out themselves.
Spot on..
There’s a ridiculous and very dangerous speed limit drop going out of Bath… it suddenly drops from a 60mph (National limit) to a 30mph, and the 30mph sign is hidden behind trees on a corner. Had to slam the breaks as soon as I saw the sign (no one behind luckily). Road is still fairly open so wouldn’t have expected a 30mph anyway
@@kimjongbingbongtingtong4430 fully agreed. The whole setup seems like a money making scheme for the authorities and a headache for drivers. We should find a way to get heard. Any suggestions who to approach
i work as a delivery driver , and i always drive on a road with around 6 cameras , got 2 speeding tickets in 2 months this year... i drive around 80 times in front of that cameras everyday, and yeah pretty hard not to go past 30mph
Workers in road works , that’s a laugh , have driven miles on closed lanes on motorways , no form of life working ,
As a worker for Chevron of 30+ years I can help clarify why. We are usually only allowed to commence work during the lowest periods that the road is used for. Unless unavoidable. The lowest times for most roads are 10pm -4am
@@thedrvn In that case, the speed cameras should be turned OFF when there are no workmen present, especially if they are behind the continuous concrete barriers.
@@neillambton4065 It's not only about the workers... its about temporary barriers etc as well, eg a temporary barrier may only be able to withstand an impact up to 50
@David Crouch lololol.
Don't worry you mean mice that you can't see
I don’t have a problem with them on housing estates and outside schools where kids are. But at the end of a straight road hidden on a slight bend is just cash raping the motorist. If the other crimes were down to an acceptable level, then I don’t mind traffic violations. But it’s just greed.!! Workers on roadworks?? I thought they were extinct.?
So your saying that you can't drive properly and maintain appropriate speed then.
Here we go,🙄 Let me guess, you’ve never ever gone over the speed limit??. If you say no, your a liar. I drive my 5 classic cars as the roads allow. As I said, in built up areas where public and kids are, you stick to the limits. If I’m on a motorway at 2am, then yes I go more than 70. (report me if you want).
@@citroenfil never said that, but then if I get caught that's my problem. I broke the rules. I won't be a cretin and blame everyone else for my failure.
Neil Williams
The bloke is questioning said rules. He also gave quite a reasonable example in his original comment as to why it’s about generating revenue rather than road safety.
@@qasimmir7117 point still stands though. If you break the posted limit then you put yourself in a position to get caught. They can't generate revenue if you don't break it. Whether you feel it is a reasonable limit or not is immaterial. If you disagree with a sleeving limit then lobby the relevant authority, don't just ignore it then bitch when you're punished.
I have lived in more than 10 countries, and I can testify that british drivers are the most friendly and sensible drivers, I remember in the beginning, how drivers practically race you to give you way, even though they priority on you, it was so confusing, but yeah they are still a lot of english gentlemen around, 👍🏾
Red light cameras - Here in Essex (and other areas) these have been converted to digital cameras that also act as speed camera all the time
The thing is they need them around school zones, I’ve never seen anyone abide by the 20mph speed limit, not even police
What he means is they should use the average speed check cameras inside school zones because they actually work, unlike the revenue generating cameras.
Somebody I work with said years ago when he first started driving, he had a black box and was doing 20mph in a 20 zone and actually got overtook by a police car 😳
@@jacklawson8246 madness, not sure if there’s a point in them anymore
agreed and the parents also.
Only reason people don’t abide by them is because often(not all of them) are temp speed limits when the orange lights flash and it’s not against the law to go over them, only to go over the set speed limit
I live in london and boroughs are independently putting a 20mph limit on the roads. Thank heavens at the moment they are not being enforced. Driving at night on a duel carriageway at 20 with not another person or vehicle in sight is infact dangerous, your mind wanders and road watching is secondary.
Watch out for Croydon Council sending out wrong speeding fines with a demand payment. Their operators can’t even read the number plates correctly and check if the vehicle make corresponds. They sent me one of these with a photo of a white van - my vehicle was in fact a car. I recommended the operators be retrained ad visit Specsavers 😆
The camera near my house has had it's lenses spray painted loads of times 😂😂😂
Saw one in horsforth leeds on fire with a tyre around it” necklaces” like a South African zulu
Speed cameras have anti vandal paint proof lenses so no matter how many times you paint over the lenses it will still catch you
Use drain cleaner on a long paint brush
A cardboard disc seems to work around here........
@@simonbaker9386 Cling Film is what a certain loud swearing rude British TV chef uses.
The justification for speed camera is to reduce accidents and save lives? Smart motorways anyone?
They would work a lot better if nobody knew where they were; as they stand drivers come speeding up then slam the brakes on just before risking more accidents. Which to me means they aren't about safety but milking the cash cow that is the car driver.
If that was the case then why dont they place those big black cameras that show a dig red "30MPH" on housing estates ,on major roads instead of nicking you?As they say "prevention is better than cure"?
I have never used the hard shoulder when it's 'live', it's dead 'ly'.
@@johnbower7452 you've missed the entire point.
Smart motorways get rid of the hard shoulder. The only safe place on a road that's full of cars doing 70 and 44ton lorrys doing 60..
If you break down or have an emergency, and pull into the hard shoulder (which is now a lane for doing 70mph) you're dead.
Plenty of people have died, and it even paused the rollout if smart motorways
@@johnbower7452 also most of the gantrys don't actually have cameras there. I think it's something like 1 in every 5 gantrys
You can see the white/yellow cameras to the left, hanging off the side
There will be lines on the road, but there's no camera
North Wales speed cameras are enough to detour the tourists, they're hidden just round bends mainly outside small villages where the speed limit drops to 30mph, Dick Turpin would have been proud of this kind of highway robbery.
If you follow the Highway Code you should be doing the speed limit when you enter that zone. I.e going from a 50 to 30 you should be doing 30 or under when you enter that if road conditions allow it. If SPECS cameras are in place you have to at designated speed limit when either entering zone or leaving. Prime example A9 Scotland. Going from 70 dual carriageway to a single carriageway 60, SPECS cameras are sometimes positioned just after you leave 70 zone going into a 60. Good app digihub gives you your exact speed. I use it all the time. You’ll find that when you speedo shows you going 60 your actually going 56 or 57 on app. My dashcam records my speed and show my going 3mph less then my speedo.
@@allythevan Agreed but it's just too easy to drift slightly over the speed limit and get prosecuted for a moment's loss of concentration, that's what's wrong with the system especially when money is involved and we all know that's the main reason.
@@leeandjancruise can’t argue with that. Done it myself and still do it. Driving back Saturday down the A9 from dropping my son off had to check my dashcam to see what speed I was going past a SPECS camera got distracted for a sec it happens even though I had my cruise control on. I tend to stick to speed limits if in a strange area anyways but yes speed can creep up.
Yes and their bright yellow posts are totally INVISIBLE at night.Must use special paint?
@@allythevan that's a gps speed reading.. Google maps also does it, as does waze and a traditional tomtom satnav
Speedos are often set to under read, to account for tyre wear etc
It's illegal for a car to overread but not under read
I have calibrated my speedo using GPS so it's bang on. Tested with those radar things that show your speed as you approach them
Been driving 32 years did not know how many types of cameras out there.
where have you been driving? up and down your driveway
@@tonysoprano5433 😆
Very informative and well presented. thank you. if my teachers had been as good as you at passing on knowledge in such a clear and down to earth way, I might have attended more often.
What, speed awareness course? Lol.
Pretty accurate!
Gatso road markings are called secondary check markings at 0.5m spacing and the two shots are exactly one second apart. True, each camera costs around £20k so only have a few. They use dummy cameras in other locations which also flash but don’t record.
10%+2 is true for most. Car speedo of course over indicates speed so these nutcases who have to touch the brakes even though at 30 are actually around 6mph below trigger speed.
Good video!
Its interesting with the classic Gatso. I've been "flashed" by speed cameras a far amount, but only actually done once and required to go on a speed awarenesses course. On that occasion I was caught doing 27mph in a 20mph zone. I thought that sounded odd as I'm fairly certain I must've actually been going faster when I initially set the camera off. My theory behind this, and why I haven't been done on other occasions, is precisely the "2 flashes" - When the first flash goes off the instinct is to immediately hit the breaks. If I'm going 35mph, set the camera off, slam the breaks on and drop 10mph before the 2nd flash, they'll clock me at around 30mph and ticket me. I reckon many of those other times I've set off the cameras I was probably going about 27mph, got flashed once, slammed the breaks, dropped 10mph to 17mph by the 2nd flash, making them clock me at a little over 20mph and not enough to actually ticket me.
Pretty sure you won't drop 10Mph between the first and second flash. They are usually half a second apart. Doubt you are dropping 10Mph in speed in half a second.
Also it doesn't quite work like that. Some cameras have secondary verification lines on the road, they use them and can see which line you are at in the first photograph, and then again which line you are at in the second photograph. As the lines are a set distance apart they can calculate the distance you have travelled in the time between the two flashes, which is usually half a second to 1 second maximum. Usually the smaller lines on the road by the camera are something like 1 metre apart and the wider lines are 5 metres apart, although this varies from site to site.
On sites that don't use this, it will have a radar unit but no lines, the two photos are to prove the vehicle, one is a close up of the plate typically, (to prevent any argument that it wasn't your registration as it's "not clear" in the photograph) and the other photo is a wide angle view of the vehicle and shows the road and sometimes the pavement to the side, depending on where the camera is located.
The HADECS (motorway) cameras have double radar units fitted to them, which removes the need for the secondary white road verification lines you see. Some of them still have these lines but legally they aren't required as the HADECS cameras have two radar units independent of each other, and if both are activated or "Triggered" it essentially means you are definitely speeding above the threshold limit.
A camera with one radar unit might accidentally go off if you weren't speeding, because it only has x level of room for error. But two radar units both independently detecting a speeding vehicle has twice the room for error, and is pretty much guaranteed not to activate for a vehicle that isn't speeding. HADECS are the ones you see mounted typically at the side of the gantry, the ones with the blindingly bright flash if you see someone set one off travelling on the motorway in the other direction, they are usually only active when there are temporary or variable speed limits, but often if you pass through at high enough speed (perhaps in excess of say 90Mph) they will be triggered.
Also, for what it's worth, ANPR cameras do not flash or "activate", they record images of every vehicle passing capturing the number plate by manipulating the black text against the background of the plate to perform a "Read". These are stored in a database along with a timestamp, i.e 23:54:46 GMT. When you pass the second camera that the first ANPR camera is paired to it performs another read, with another timestamp, as the cameras are at known fixed locations the software automatically calculates the distance covered and the amount of time taken, from this they calculate your average speed. Some people think if they slow down AT the average speed camera, but then speed up when they drive past it, and slow for the next one, they will fool it, these people don't know what "Average" means or how they work.
The ANPR cameras are paired, you could have 4 ANPR cameras, the first two cameras might be paired, and cameras 3 and 4 paired. Or it could be cameras 1 & 3, 2 & 4.. or 1 & 4, 2 & 3, as there's no way to know it's best just to stick to the speed limit.
@@thefiestaguy8831 Interesting. Yeah, I was specifically talking about the cameras with lines in the road (I think they're called GATSO) and they're everywhere around where I live still. I think you'll find that breaking hard between the 1st & 2nd flash with those specific cameras does kind of work how I described and you can slow down quicker than you think (so long as nobody is directly behind you, lol). I mean, that's the whole point of the 2sec rule on motorways and that is at speeds of 70mph. The cameras with lines in the road are usually used in 30mph and 20mph zones and I believe, especially with a modern car, you could easily drop 10mph in 1 sec (give or take a couple mph depending on how good your brakes are). That's the only way I can explain why they clocked me going slower than I actually was by at least 5mph (I guess it could also be in the inaccuracies and human error of actually deciphering lines painted on a road maybe). Anyway, it was over 5 years ago since I got done and I 've learned my lesson now .... honest, guv!
@@matthewwalker5430 It's not though, is it.
Do you honestly think your car will stop from 70 to 0 in 2 seconds? It won't.
The point of the 2 second rule is to give you enough of a gap to the car in front, so that if it suddenly brakes, you have time to react, if you are literally right behind it there's little to no time to react and you're now in their boot.
If an animal ran across a motorway or dual carriageway, and stood still in the lane you were in and you applied the brakes at 70, and it was approximately "two seconds" gap from your car, there's no way you are stopping in time, even swerving at that speed to avoid it would likely result in a loss of control and crash. I once had a deer run across an unguarded dual carriageway right next to a wooded area. I hit the brakes so hard I hurt my foot, and veered to the right as the deer panicked and froze still in the middle of the road. Luckily I was a bit more than 2 seconds from it and had time to react and plan.
The 2 second rule is just to give you time to react to the car in front, it's not "2 seconds to stop". You've got to remember even if the car in front brakes, causing you to do so, as you are slowing but still moving, the car in front is too. The car in front won't go from 70 to 0 in an instant, it will still be braking and slowing as you are with a 2 second gap behind it.
Plenty of cameras use lines in the road, and it's everywhere not just 20 or 30 zones. I've seen Gatsos on a motorway with secondary verification lines. They're nothing to do with the function of the camera, it's literally just a set of painted white lines each being a set distance apart, to prove a car was or was not speeding in the two photographs the camera takes.
Also, when you consider thinking time and reaction time alone is usually 1 second or slightly over, I doubt you are dropping 10mph in half a second. Unless you started braking before the first flash went off.
@@thefiestaguy8831 The flashes are 1 second apart, human reaction time is 0.1 second. Modern brakes activate instantly. if you've ever had to do an emergency stop at 30mph, then you will know that a modern car will come to a full stop in a fraction of a second. If you are not excessively speeding then braking hard as a reaction to that first flash will drastically slow you down, enough to bring you're average speed during that second down to the legal limit.
@@talibong9518 Depends on the camera. I set off a HADECS camera the other day doing 80mph by my speedo on the M25 near Cobham Services - never seen them flash at that speed (more likely actually 78/79mph once speedo inaccuracy is taken into account). No signs showing on gantry and no speed limit displayed either - it was simply unlit. Sure enough as I passed double flash. Waiting the dreaded 14 days now.
NEVER seen them flash people at that low over the speed limit when not displaying variable speed, seen people bomb it past them at 100+ and they don't flash.
GATSO might be 1 second apart but HADECS isn't, the flashes were no more than 1/2 second apart. Interestingly it took ages to flash me, as I passed under the gantry it waited 2 seconds before the first flash even occurred, pretty sure they normally flash quicker than that - but that said i've never previously set a camera off in the direction it is enforcing, in the 11.5 years i've had a full UK license.
Even with great reactions, nobody is reacting, moving their foot, applying the brakes and slowing by enough speed in that situation to prevent it going off.
A word from here in France, I moved here in 2003 after many years visiting and the Gendarmes were not too bothered about speeding unless you took the piss. In the last 10 or so years they installed lots of static cameras & use mobile devices regularly. Me & my wife have been caught many times since.
My last one was on a long straight road near me and I know all the hiding niches, I got a ticket in the post, I checked the history on my dashcam to confirm the rozzers were not visible. They must have been hiding among the trees of a wooded section.
Unfortunately, it's money for old rope for them! Not fair but whatcha gonna do?
I might've wrong but ,it seems as more and more cameras go up,less and less speed limit signs are on the roads
Except for 30 mph zones (see Highway Code re 30 applies if lamp=posts are x yards apart or less, (if no lamp-posts, must be repeater signs) for a speed limit to be enforcable there have to be repeater signs at a given distance advising of the limit on the road (not including motorways of course). A road near to my home encountered a problem a number of years back. It was discovered that the repeater signs (if indeed there were any) weren't at the specified distance apart. I believe quite a few speeding fines had to be refunded because of the non compliance with the signage regulations. .
You missed something with the HADECS system which is a useful warning you're approaching one. A bit before the actual camera (about 50-100m), about the same height and on the left on the verge will always be a bank of 3 or 4 white cameras that look like regular CCTV. I believe these are for capturing additional video evidence of the 'offence' and for demonstrating that the reduced speed limit on the gantry was working at the time the camera went off. I always keep an eye out for these too as sometimes the speed camera on the gantry is hidden behind a bridge or foliage.
Correct. For visual verification that the gantry was displaying the reduced speed, makes the case water tight and frankly there can be no arguments.
i’ve noticed them as well, especially on the m62 and m1, i always thought these 3-4 cameras were monitoring each different lane and did an average speed check from the moment you enter the first bank of camera until you get to the yellow cameras on the gantry which captured you, that’s my only theory for them but i could be wrong
@Ultra Obama 1st of all just for your and everybody’s knowledge, you won’t see a
30MP/H sign on motorway.
On the motorways Minimum sign you’ll be seeing overhead is 40miles “at least for the UK”
And for those who didn’t know, the motorway speed cameras are synced with the display sign overhead.
If it shows 40/50 don’t think you can do the national speed 70miles because you’re on motorway. It will flash ya.
“ “Talking from my accidental experience. Not paying attention to the 50 displayed sign and got caught on 58” “
Luckily just a awareness course
@@arian7436 i did see both 30 and even 20 mph on motorways. 30 several times on the left line when there are congestions/accidents on a slip road.
20 ive seen only once in Scotland in the middle of a night with no traffic around. Not sure why was that put in place apart from weather warning maybe?
@@zilalapsa I believe that because last week I did see the 20 displayed on the left lane in the middle of the night somewhere near Milton Keynes.
I’m over 35 and that was the first time in my life seeing that on motorway 😳
I guess we do learn something new every day after all …
PS: i do take the previous comment back.
Good explanation with few add ons:
1) The speedometer of many cars is generally far from accurate so, when your car reads 70mph it is highly likely your actual speed is lower than that speed (some of this can be easily contrasted by checking what your speedometer says while you are driving and what your GPS mobile tracker speed says, (which is also not 100% accurate by the way)). That is the reason why the "international" guidelines for traffic speed checking, must allow for a "cushion", which is that 10% extra between what the max allowance and enforced speed is about and what the driver "thinks" his speed is about.
2) The SPECS, or average speed camera, work by stamping at time mark to your Reg plate reading at one point (time zero "0") and contrasting that with the second measurement taken by the second camera (and third and fourth and so on..) and calculating how much "time" has passed between the two readings. Thus, after a plate is read by the first camera, nothing prevents from that car to go crazy up to 150 mph if the driver wants to, then make a "stop" on the side road before the second SPEC camera reading, and get away with not being fined. Of course, this would be an extremely inconvenient situation and defeats the purpose of speeding after all, and the main reason why these cameras do manage to slow you down, as it is the "average time passed between them" (equal to the average speed you drove by), what actually counts.
Absolutely true!! The car manufacturers always make the speedometers read slightly high so that they can't be involved in litigation.
@@robsayer8028 You odometer (Speedo to me and you only needs to be +/- 10% this is why they under rate them. Odometers need to be accurate within plus or minus 10 percent. Example: If a customer drives 100 miles and the odometer is three miles off, that would be a three percent error, which is within the design parameters for this component and would indicate no need to replace the odometer.
@@andrewstevenson1449 when you say they need be accurate with in so many percent +\- they are allowed to more inaccurate if they read high than if they read low.
Clear, informative and arse well covered. Well done sir.
5:52 Unlike these chaps
Great video, thanks. DORSET POLICE - my wife and I travelled for 3.5 hours to get to Bournemouth for a long weekend break there ( first ever visit). It was a long drive there all along the south coast in heavy traffic, with numberless roundabouts, traffic light junctions, the dual carriageways. Speed limits changing constantly. I was watching my speed very carefully throughout. Having to hold back the car, burn more fuel since driving at uneconomical speeds. The we finally get within striking distance of Bournemouth and start down the A338 dual carriageway, Lovely clear road, nice sunny day. I notice there is a 50 mph speed limit comes into play, on a wide dual carriageway, plus speed camera signs, and the average speed check. These are always a problem but fair enough if there are road works - BUT THERE ARE NO ROADWORKS - they just make it a 50mph speed limit on this dual carriageway. WHY ? Anyway, I obeyed the speed limit I thought, driving in 4th not 5th gear. AFTER THE WEEKEND away I get a letter from Dorset Police - they say I was recorded as doing 58mph in that 50mph area. Now, do I just accEpt the ticket ( FPN) pay the fine (£100 I suppose) and accept 3 points on my licence - or do I opt to go to court ? ( I am 73 yrs young, been driving since I was 17 yrs old, and driving a Nissan Note these days). Driving for me has now become a nightmare. I already have 3 points on my license from another speeding offence - doing 37 mph on a dual carriageway where the speed limit suddenly dropped to 30 mph from 40mph on the approach to green traffic light junction. Is this all a plot to make people give up driving all together !!!??? I am never going back to Bournemouth. Really fed up. My Insurance premiums go up for the next 4-5 years- highly punitive. Mamma Mia !! ( Other words/expleteives held back since this is RUclips !!).
If you have no evidence you werent speeding (such as dashcam footage with GPS calculated speed recorded on it) then I wouldnt risk going to court as you have no defence.
@@davidhall7811 Thank you for that David. Yes, I cannot argue against the photographic evidence they would produce. I just have to go for the fixed penalty. If I am going to be doing distance driving I think I will need some onboard technology of my own - more expense !
@@sunnylotus1 I installed dashcams in both of my vehicles after being falsely charged by Avon and Somerset police. I was fortunate in that they offered a speed awareness course which I took up as I had no evidence to defend myself with. Installing the dashcam helped absolve us of any blame a couple of years later when I was involved in a head-on collision involving three cars but caused by a 4th who didnt stop, so I would always recommend getting one anyway.
Why aren’t speed cameras outside every school. ? There meant to be on a stretch of road that has had 3 accidents but they are everywhere. Another Tax 🤷🏼
There are a load of speed cameras around my old school because it's a busy road.
The thing is why does anyone need to speed past a school? cameras shouldn't be there, but because we have people who don't care they speed everywhere and it's these inconsiderate arses that these cameras are set up.
Many accidents outside schools are not caused by drivers exceeding the limit, but more about not having due regard to the risks.
@@A190xx you should see how quick people flew down the road where my school was you will be surprised. The road has like 3 other schools as well. About 3 people were hit by a car from speeding lucky they were all fine. But if it was a primary school kid that would be a different story.
I didn’t think you could speed past a school with the amount of cars parked dropping off children on both side of the road I thought they narrowed the road down to one lane
Good video, Just to add and might be mentioned elsewhere. I have entered a speed averaging stretch without paying attention then realising down the road that I was going way too fast so had to slow right down below the average speed set, for some distance to offset the distance already covered. Kind of requires a bit of mental arithmatic to visualise it but hey it passes the time 😁 Speed = Distance ÷ by time
When speed radars were first introduced in NZ they had to put a sign 1/2 a mile down the road warning you and in Japan speed cameras must be have warnings and while this may seem pointless it does do what the camera is meant to do - slow cars down - only without the fine that goes with the camera ticket.
In some countries there have been cases where folk have put expanding foam inside them.
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Thank you, for your very informative video, I never intentionally speed, but obviously everyone some times inadvertently goes over the speed limit. I believe it was Tony Blair that said all speed cameras should be painted yellow...But I don't know if it became law.
Very informative I ride a motorcycle good watch 👍
There's a layby in Somerset where they often put a camera van surveying an empty 400 yard stretch. No houses, no junctions. So, in the crazy mind of the plod, exceeding 40mph is more dangerous there than it is further along where there's a series of tight bends on which idiots DO try to overtake.
Safety? BS.
so presumably the motorists are then thinking about and adjusting their speed prior to the series of dangerous bends?
Cash cow. 💩
Same as the 417/419 in Gloucestershire.
@@markdouglas5310 it's the only safe overtaking spot for a couple of miles, ppl can't do it there so they wait for the unwatched twisty bit. Madness.
It's not the Police that put out speed cameras, it's a Road Safety Partnership.
My years old Snooper S5R has paid for itself a thousand time over. Very useful gadget.
266k views.Even if only 1% of viewers did not get a ticket just by watching this video,that is still 2600 people you saved money and points. Well done sir !
Interesting thought process, I've robbed the government of a considerable amount of revenue, but they won't care because their main aim is to "make the road safe"
@@CorpsMedia Any type of camera that issues fines is a money making scheme pure and simple. Us motorists already pay ridiculous sums of money to be on roads.
They are placed for revenue because speed cameras are funded by "Safety Camera Partnerships" that are funded by running the courses which you can choose to go on instead of getting 3 points on your licence (if its your first speeding ticket)
Not always if its your first speeding ticket ... my Dad got caught once and once only, 10mph over in a 50 zone. He wasn't offered a course, just got the 3 points and a fine.
a friend got caught and done the course.......then got caught and done the course again
theres a period i between
@@CooCuMbEr That period is 3 years. The record of you having attended a driver training class stays on the NDRS database however for 6 years... (National Driver Retraining Scheme). I went on a speed awareness course in August 2015. I was quite fortunate and was right on the very limit. 42mph in a 30 in Croydon in mid 2015 by a traffic officer. 43 was 3 points + fine. Took forever to hear back, ended up waiting around 6 weeks to receive an offer of a course. Paid the £100 and attended it a month or so later.
@@phillwainewright4221 10Mph is usually too far over the threshold for a course. I got one for 42 in a 30 in 2015 but that was in the Met's territory and back then I believe they issued courses up to 42mph in a 30, 43 would literally have been points and a fine.
Hi there! First off, great video! I'm from the West Midlands (old South Staffs actually) so I understood your accent perfectly - just in case some people whinge about your accent! LOL
I've been driving since 1975 and hold both a full car and motor cycle licence. Most of my working life was spent in the motor trade and during that 'life' I covered many, many hundreds of miles on road test - some(!) of those miles at speeds that were, shall we say, a little north of legal! Also - during that time - I was 'done' only once for speeding (more by luck than judgement!) and since leaving the motor trade proper, I have fallen foul of a speed camera (one in a van) once as well. As a matter of interest, I've been involved in a few minor accidents too down the years - ALL at speeds BELOW 30mph!
As someone who has been interested in driving since I was a young child (I have pictures of me in a pedal car at 'Uncle Eric's pedal car track in Rhyl, North Wales dating back to the early '60's!) I have become ever more annoyed by the way cameras have been used to sneakily extort money from the easiest target/cash-cow of all - the motorist.
I totally agree that if someone is driving dangerously, then they should be penalised for it - but speed ISN'T always the issue! BAD DRIVING is!
A proficient driver doing 100mph at 3am on an empty motorway is surely no more dangerous than a tw*t doing 40 in a 30 at 3pm in a school zone!
I drive for a living now, and on a daily basis, I see people out there who really shouldn't be in charge of a loaded wheel barrow - let alone a motor vehicle! FFS, why do they insist on teaching people to drive at 20mph? When I was learning, I'd get a b*llocking from my instructor, for not making adequate progress! LOL
No, in my opinion, the major issues with motoring and speeding today are thus:
1/ Too many people think holding a driving licence is their 'right' It ISN'T, its a privilege to be earned!
2/ The powers that be see this attitude as acceptable and a sure fire way to bring in revenue and thus are okay with drivers passing their tests whether they are good enough to do so or not..
3/ Not enough mitigation is possible with a poxy 'safety' (read speed/cash generating) camera.
I could go on, but lets see what kind of feedback we get to this comment before I do.
Once again, many thanks for the video. :-)
Great video mate, no time wasting, and straight to the point......
Very informative, especially the legal side as I thought all cameras had to be clearly visible. Ah well just goes to show how are driving habits will need to be more discipled in the future!
Good job, man. Thanks for this. Been driving independently for nearly six years and still learning. You always learn new things when driving, regardless of how long you've been driving for. I never break the speed limit, I always say to people the limit is the maximum. That's why it's called a speed limit and not a speed target. For example, just because a road is say 40, it doesn't always mean it's safe to do the full 40. It's just the driver has the use common sense. Again, thanks for the video, man. Keep up the good work.
I've been driving longer
Pro-tip: Speeding is safe, fun, and effective. The posted limit is at least 10 mph below what you should truly be going.
Absolute nerd
Straight to the point,
I didn’t know there was so much different cameras 😮
Thanks for keeping us informed
Trajectory average speed checking is the latest fashion. You can dodge static camera's (by knowing where they are) you can dodge mobile camera's (with apps) but not the trajectory ones. They are built as mouse traps, with only one way in and one way out and without the possibility to turn left or right before the 2nd camera.
They tried them in the US a few places still have them but maintenance is a pain with people shooting them, and spray painting them, etc.
This is why the UK needs guns so we can shoot down speed cameras.
In Australia the rules about speedometers were changed in 2007. Since then most new cars have speedos set 7-9% fast so if you're actually doing 100km/hr your speedo can be reading 107+, which doesn't give you an excuse if picked up for being 1km/hr over the limit. Our speed cameras use laser beams to detect the speed and can be forcing the oncoming vehicle or facing the rear, which means motorcyclist can be picked up even though they don't have a front licence plate. In some areas we have average speed cameras, but I know of one set where, unfortunately, there's a rest point in the middle. Even so, plenty of people have been charged with having an average speed well over the limit.
I remember when I was riding quick, came off a corner at around 120mph and sped up to around 140mph before realising their was a mobile speed camera, I slowed right down to the 60mph speed limit and had no choice but to ride past it, so as I got near it I done a wheelie for about a quarter of a mile until I got round a bend, never got a ticket. And I’ve never got a ticket since and never will😁
On your NSU Quickly then?
yes i tuned it up go faster sticker on it.
Which Car? Fixed camera has a disadvantage once you are aware of their location you can speed past it.
Also big note,
You can get points and a fine by a speed camera while you are on a push cycle, electric cycle, skateboard, rollerskating, rollerblading etc.
You can get points on your licence even if you have no pink(full) or green(provisional).
It is not 12 points for disqualify. It is 12 points in a three year period, and points come off on year four, leaving a possible window of one year to get more than 12 points and not be disqualified. Also on year four you have to apply and pay (£20 basic admin fee) DVLA to have the points removed else they will be still valid and on your licence. This rule does not apply to new drivers where it is six points total in first two years and you will need to retake your test to get your licence back.
Not quite true their. The instant bann after acquiring 12 points within a 3 year period is "advisory", but any judge has the power to overule said advice, and allow a driver to keep their license (most don`t). I`ve read cases where people have had more than 20 points on their licenses before getting caught and getting yet more points before being banned. Also, points on your license are valid for 3 years, not four, but will remain on your license for 5 years, even though they have no legal value. Last of all, if a driver has held a license for less than 2 years (new driver), and they acquire 6 points within any 6 month period within that 2 years, they have the option of doing their test again, OR accepting a 6 month bann, but keep their full license active, which was what happened to someone i know.
Not sure where you got that information from, but it's completely wrong.
You can't get points on your license for "speeding" on a bicycle or a skateboard etc because the road traffic act which governs this ONLY applies to motor vehicles. A skateboard or a pedal cycle isn't deemed as a motor vehicle and as such the legislation does not apply. On your logic, if you ran past a speed camera and set it off, you'd be liable for points on your driving license too? Running is deeemd no different to being on a pedal cycle when the road traffic act "motor vehicle" element is present.
Most pedal cycles or even rollerbladers, skateboarders etc won't set off a camera anyway, they're designed to activate on larger vehicles, so there's no guarantee you'll even set it off even if you are speeding.
If you are prosecuted, it won't be for "speeding" it would just be "wanton riding" or "riding a bicycle without due care/attention" there's certain legislation that still applies to bicycles and non-motor vehicles however speeding and speed cameras don't apply to it.
The part about points is mostly correct, for the majority of offences it's 4 years on the license, with a 5 year as an "admin" year for them to be removed but they aren't "valid" during that admin year. There are exceptions though, for drink driving and causing death by either dangerous or careless driving, the points remain on your license for 11 years.
@@thefiestaguy8831 🤣 I say to you.
In UK you can get points by speeding on a push bike.
Source: Legislation Gov website.
Your source - = your mythical brain.
@@pqrstzxerty1296 Please link me to the part where it says you can get points for speeding on a push bike?
Speeding offences relate to motor vehicles, a push bike isn't a motor vehicle.
You can't be prosecuted for speeding on a push bike, rollerblade, etc but you can be done for other offences such as dangerous riding (cycling) or wanton riding (essentially riding in a furious way).
If a push bike was a motor vehicle, then it would require insurance, since we know push bikes don't require insurance to be used on the road, they aren't motor vehicles as deemed by the legislation that governs it.
@@thefiestaguy8831 Local Bylaws set by the Local Authority.
More to do with making money and the amount that they collect proves the point. 💷💷💷💷
I think the amount of money they make proves that there are too many people speeding. they've never got a penny out of me..😁
My doctor says my anal canal is baggier than it should be.
@@penelopeoates511 he maybe wrong ..I'm quite good at inspecting things like this 👍
The biggest champion more for making money than anything else is France.
Now one country where there is no yellow painting on the speed control material is Belgium where those "are anonymous". Their colour is grey or dark green in woods, forests etc .... roads.
Outstanding presentation chap! Bravo!! I personally feel that if as driver’s in the first instance....had better attitudes with one and another!! The Law would not carry such weight with the continued Road safety chest nuts!! Road safety should be respectful attitude towards each other while operating a potential death machine!! We really do need to Demand Law Reform!!! And all calm down out on the public highway!! Chill!!! Peace Solidarity Truth!! Best wishes! Cheers
I agree 100% if it wasn’t about raking in revenue they would simply put average speed checks everywhere
I travel a lot along the M25, M1, M6 and M5. What is frustrating are the overhead speed signs that are often incorrect almost as if they have not been updated - advising of road debris or a stranded vehicle no longer there. Sometimes, signs can also be contradictory, particularly through roadworks. I don’t condone speeding but some violations are due to confusion.
Doughnut revenue collection cameras
Thank you, that was great. Made me aware specifically of the average speed cameras and how they work. Good job mate
Brilliant video mate and thank you for explaining about the cameras I must say I got caught in a 30 mile an hour zone doing 34 Castle Durham being a key worker at the time I am very upset about this situation the van was not my it was just a white van with Noddy there with his camera I am not paying it I feel absolutely disgusted I have argued with them they have put it back I cannot do speed awareness course until April but to be truthful mate I go want to do that I had livestock on board could not break there were just fields at the side of me before town centre which obviously I slow down to the best of my ability feel then absolutely disgusting I am arguing with them at this moment I am not going to pay for it and I am not going on a speed awareness they can rock on
The 10% + 2mph rule is to allow for tolerance in speedometer inaccuracy. However, as pointed out in the video, you can be prosecuted if your 1mph above the limit. This relies on you admitting to knowing you were over the limit so the answer to the question, when asked, "do you know what speed you were going?" Is always "no". Its up to the courts to decide if a case is heard or not, not the police's. All the police can do is present the evidence to the court, who will then decide if to prosecute or not. If your within the 10% + 2mph the chances are your money is safe in your pocket. It is a risk, as the cost of the fpn is far lower than you could be fined in court, however, any solicitor worth their weight would have the conviction thrown out before you had to step anywhere near a court.
Accepting a fpn at the roadside is not an admission of guilt and does not have to be paid if you wish to challenge it and risk going to court.
There's a very useful drivers guide (the name currently escapes me and I don't have my copy to hand) which gives you lots of information on the do's and dont's when interacting with the police at the roadside, as far as I'm aware it's still available. If I find my copy I'll update this with the title.
From Fraser, husband of Leslie
Don't forget that every "student" sent to a Speed Awareness Course nets the police £40 out of the £100 charge. A "nice little eaner" !
The police don't profit from that money it funds the mobile speed enforcement operations and they barely brake even but any money that is left over is ring fenced and used for road safety campaigns.
Same in Ireland.We don't have many fixed ones,but plenty off those mobile speed van ones.Just a revenue generator operated by a private company.
But you don't have to pay anything if you keep to the speed limit
Just dont speed, no speeding = no fine, its that simple!
@@glockeva1 Not always easy. I was changing lanes at traffic lights in Worcester.. The signage for lane was at the lights, me in wrong lane, i sped up slightly on bike to get in right lane to cross bridge with lots of traffic rushing up behind. Totally unaware there was a speed camera watching the lights for this very purpose. Three lane one way road is poorly signed at 30mph. Third of folks on the speed awareness course caught by this camera. SAC was total waste of time. I later rode the route, the two 30mph signs hidden in bushes. The road should have 30 painted on them.
Subbed.. just got back to riding Superbikes after 30 years off so this was very informative and just going to binge your Library now 👍👌
I am 62 yrs old now and have been driving safely since I was 20 yrs old. I find driving now so stressful because you cannot just drive to conditions and ability anymore you have to be constantly watching your speed and watching out for cameras of all kinds. I am not sure it is safer in fact I am sure it is less safe for the average driver with good intent.
I am of the same mindset. My instincts and learning over the years have been to drive to conditions. My first speeding fine was for doing 34 in a 30 on an urban dual carriageway, going downhill, when it was dark, raining heavily and lots of traffic all round. Very difficult to spend time looking down at your speedometer in those conditions. Yes, I went over the limit, people say and say if the conditions were difficult I should have been going slower- but in my book I was driving to conditions and concentrating so hard on driving safely - and the difference between 30 and 34 is marginal in the scheme of things. We are essentially being conditioned to drive like robots....
I was in London yesterday and have never seen so many cameras never mind the speed limit in some areas 20mph.
Wales is now trying to make all 30 mph zones into 20 mph zones. !!
@@davefrance3721 I hate 20 zones with a passion. Not many drivers would listen to that I'd bet.
Thankyou for Information .So many camera's about so the motorist needs to know what is going on.
Thanks for the comment dude 💎
Got to love the pious replies on here saying " if you don't speed you don't get caught". Have you never lost attention for a moment and gone 2 or 3 mph over a limit. If not you are incredible driver's and I bow down to you.
The police / revenue raising partnerships lose any position if respect when they ticket people for being nominal amounts over a limit because it is so easy to do unintentionally.
It is simply an easy way to police and has removed a level of judgement that a traditional copper would use.
Enforcement starts at 10%+2 so nobody is getting a ticket for 2 or 3mph over. Also the police make no profit from speed enforcement so money is not their incentive, most of the mobile sites are community concern areas where local communities request their presence due to problems with speeding.
Julian - I have been driving for over fifty years and have never had even a blip on my license nor a fine of any type - it's not hard to do, so thank you for bowing down to me.
Your comment is a bit moot though. That's why the tolerances exist. You don't often get prosecuted for 2-3 mph over. Most people who have been prosecuted for that typically are from years ago. NPCC guidance was bought in quite a while back (I believe 2014) and most forces now never prosecute below 10%+ typically 2mph... so "slightly straying" over the limit wouldn't trigger a camera.
There is one important type of new camera you missed out. This works on "Pizzo electric" which means it has sensors under the road which are triggered by the weight of the car or motorbike. they go by a wire under the road to the camera and cannot be tampered with or signal jammed, and work in all weathers.
they would still have a camera attached, so the camera can always be blocked with duct tape / coloured glue / clingfilm / etc.
Ron Angel ... I wonder if they catch and report police drivers who unlawfully break the speed limits on our roads every day of the week and in or on, every single vehicle... (yes .. of course, when not on an emergency call!) We should campaign to have ALL drivers prosecuted!
@Michael MurrayInduction coil on earlier ones "Piezoelectric" sensor on these. induction coil can be jammed from the car with a powerful electric field or radio type signal on the same frequency they work on from under the car, a bit like magnetic mine units on WWII ships to give wrong or unreliable readings." Piezoelectric" cant as sending shielded signal generated from the weight of vehicle size-independent directly by wire to control unit. ( PS: I am a retired electronics and electrical engineer)
@@thepianoman1010 How do you know they aren't.
As a police driver myself... most of the public are completely clueless about our exemptions.
No - we don't need to use blue lights or sirens to make use of ANY of the exemptions - there's guidance to state we should but ultimately it's not a breach of law if we don't, and there are certain situations when I've seen it done (including overtaking a car on a residential road without warning equipment), it's perfectly legal to do so but not advisable.
If we're going to a job, and the driver doesn't need to use the blues, or the siren, they might choose not to. Obviously this increases the chance of a collision due to the fact we're less visible if the speed is there, but it's rarely done but does ocassionally happen. People are often also wrong and quote "Must be going to an emergency call" to make use of exemptions. This is also wrong. The actual reality is "Must be for a policing purpose".
If it was for an "emergency call only" none of the police escort vehicles which escort VIPs and government officials around the city on blue lights, would be able to use their blue lights or make use of exemptions, because they're not "going to an emergency call".
Ultimately the driver of the vehicle is the one who must justify their actions to not only a police disciplinary panel, but also a court of law if necessary. I've seen police drivers innappropriately use their exemptions before in the past, and I won't say it doesn't happen, because it does. But the reality is the majority of drivers use their exemptions sensibly and as per policy.
The rule about using warning equipment is IF to NOT use them would "Hinder progress". In other words if we're going to be stuck in traffic without them, whilst say going to a call, then it's beneficial to use them.
If however it's 2am and there's an empty clear road ahead, then someone might decide not to use them, in practise they're almost always used even on clear empty roads but it's not a legal obligation. If you've ever been on a police response drive it's an entirely different way of driving, taught to the roadcraft system we're usually told not to exceed "double plus 10", i.e 70 in a 30, 90 in a 40. Again there's nothing saying we can't but it increases the chances of our traffic department giving us points on our job driving permits if we're involved in a collision, and of course worseness any damage or injury.
If you use a speed camera detection system like Road Angle and act upon the information or use a radar jammer and get caught, you can be prosecuted. However having a satnav like TomTom, with speed camera locations built into the system, thats a different matter.
Laser jammers are legal to own & fit. BUT they are illegal to actually use. If you do use one, then you are actively perverting the course of justice. Owning and acting upon a detector (like the Valentine 1 I have) is NOT illegal in the UK. In France it is illegal to even have one in the car not switched on. Italy & Spain have made them illegal too. There was a time back in the 1980's & 1990's when you COULD be prosecuted under the the Wireless & Telegraphy Act 1949 for using a radar detector. Then after successful appeals, prosecutions were stopped. Check out your facts before posting. www.radar-detectors.co.uk/page/radar-detector-law
I was caught doing 33 in a 30 and had to do a speed awareness course. So the 10% rule plus 2mph didn't apply. Good video.
10% is in Legislation the + is up to the force in question some even use +3
@@NoBody-gf8ie guess I need to be under 33.
It's NPCC (formerly ACPO) guidance and forces don't have to follow it. In practise they do but they can prosecute below if there are other aggravating factors it's more likely.
Intrigued to know when this was. I got a SAC for 42 in a 30 in the Met's area in 2015. I was quite lucky to say the least as 43 in a 30 would have been 3 pts + fine.
Genuinely a really good video!
Thanks man, don't forget to sub
So for all these infrared cameras, you’ll find shinning an infrared light (invisible to the naked eye) at your plates will completely white them out when captured. Similar to how a reflective transparent material will obscure anything it’s placed on or over when captured by a flash.
The myth about cameras having to be painted yellow was born out of a 'treaty' (for want of a better word) between some police forces, in that they agreed to paint them yellow to be more of a deterrent. Not all forces/agencies signed up to it and kept them at their standard grey
5:20.....I read an article a few weeks ago, a police officer interviewed stated that there is no legal requirement for them to be visible. They could park up and camouflage themselves if they wanted to and they wouldn't be breaking any rules. What the officer did say was that they try and be 'fair' with drivers. Which I disagree with. I had an incident a few weeks ago with a speed van (wasn't caught thankfully) but where the van was positioned was very deliberate - on a bend just next to the carriageway that runs downhill, and in a location of the road where at that time of the morning the sun is up high blinding the drivers if there is no cloud. There was no cloud on this morning but thankfully I wasn't speeding - but it was very late before I saw the van at the side of the road owing to the frigging sun!!
They are always very clever in how they position themselves I have noticed. Insidious!!
Look at all the videos of them on RUclips they are very rarely hidden, they simply park where they can park.
There’s a section of the A35 near Puddletown on the Puddletown Bypass where they always seem to place a speed camera van. It’s usually in a lay-by, on a bend, at the bottom of a steep hill, and there’s no signs telling you what the speed limit is. Also, of a morning or late evening, the sun gets in your eyes so you can’t see the speedometer properly. Apparently, someone was clocked by a van parked there doing 105MPH. Ridiculous and only there to make money.
Maybe you could investigate any myths around number plate alterations that people use to avoid being captured
Very good idea. I'll do that
I want to know where we can get revolving numberplates! LOL
I find the carrot works better than the stick. If you come into town from a NSL road and make flashing sign thanks you for slowing down to 30 then you're likely to stay at 30. It it's a speed camera then your speed will begin to creep up once the 'danger' has passed.
Need to correct you my friend. Average speed cameras with 40 limit for example- if you go past the first camera at 60 then realise the speed limit and slow to 20 for equal amount of distance then your average speed will be 40.
Yes I agree, my point is that it's a distance over time measurement.
No it won't, your average speed will not be 40mph (but it will make you safe from fine).
First a question to see if you understand averages:
Suppose you cover 1 mile at 30 mph, what speed must you travel the next mile so that the average speed for the two miles is 60 mph?
Now let's look at your suggestion of 20mph:
let's suppose you travel 1mile at 60mph and then 1 mile (the same distance) at 20mph. The time taken to cover the 2 miles is 1mile/60mph + 1mile/20mph = 1 min+ 3 min = 4 mins.
Average speed for the 2miles is 2miles/4 mins = 30mph
To average 40mph you need to cover the 2 miles in 2 miles/40mph = 3 mins, which means the second mile needs to be covered in 2 mins (as the first was covered in 1 minute at 60 mph), therefore 1mile/2mins = 30 mph - drive the same distance at 30mph that you did at 60mph and your average speed will be 40mph.
However this assumes instantaneous speed changes from 60mph to 30 mph; it will in reality be a continuous decrease.
Now back to the question I asked.
To cover the 2 miles at 60mph requires you to cover the 2 miles in 2 minutes, but at 30mph it takes 2 minutes to cover 1 mile. This you have to cover the 2nd mile on no time at all - "infinitely fast". Realistically it can't be done.
Speeds are "averages" themselves - you cannot average speeds.
(And someone commented on the poor teaching of averages...there's also a lack of understanding of ratios and fractions).
wow im beat
Thank you for sharing this information. Blessings ever from Belfast, Northern Ireland.
Good video however you missed out the newest cams which also pic up seat belts phones ect.
Really?! Didn't know that
I know the UK has a target to issue 1,000,000 speeding tickets this year just in London alone, last year 360,000 were issued. I find that bizarre but I assume this is applicable throughout the whole UK and not just London as I've noticed 3-4 flashes on the m1 per hour when I drive on it. I don't remember it being like that last year. Anyway, I just discovered my car has cruise control so I set it to 70 and chill, when I lived in Cardiff and travelled to Swansea I'd bolt it 100 the whole way through on the m4, it's a miracle I've never been issued a speeding ticket tbh but it's quite nice to set the cruise and just relax and not worry about cameras
Where did you hear that they are planning to issue 1million tickets? Is ot a credible source ?
@@CorpsMedia I saw it published a few mainstream articles (which nowadays means jack) but this is the exact text from the 'evening standard':
"Chief Superintendent Simon Ovens of the Met’s Roads and Transport Policing Command, speaking at a meeting of the London Assembly transport committee on Tuesday, said TfL has “a clear position to get to a target of one million prosecutions a year for speeding”.
He said there were more than 360,000 prosecutions for speeding offences in London during 2021 and 263,000 during 2020."
@@Ayoutubeaccount3 I did some research on it, I think its crazy to set a quota to catch speeders. I guess the only way to up the anti would be to put them in more tricky and deceptive places
Cameras in Glossop are painted green to blend in with the surroundings
Those are Watchman cameras, owned and operated by Tameside council. All they can do report you to police for an alleged violation.
The registered keeper of the vehicle MUST receive the NIP within 7 days of the offense for it to be enforceable. Tameside council are incapable of doing anything that fast!
@@barnseyfrommossley Since when? NIPs have always been "served within 14 days" not 7. Note that it says "served" not "Delivered". Served just means posted, and it is deemed "served" one day after it is posted as they use first class post to send them out. If it is sent out on day 6 but doesn't arrive until day 16 due to a postal delay it's still valid.
It's only when they send it out really close to the 14th day (i.e post it out on the 13th day) it can be argued it's not valid when it invariably arrives later than day 14.
And yes, you are correct, those are Watchman cameras.
@@thefiestaguy8831 It's always been 7 days, you are incorrect on this.
A new trick in the north east/yorkshire area on A roads you pass a mobile van,speed up thinking you're safe about 1/5 to 1 mile later there's a second mobile van usually just round a bend.Got ya
yes and in radio contact so they can pull you in and you wonder why pick me youve been picked 1/2 mile back tuff.
All we need to do now is design a camera to go off if people are plodding along at 15-20 mph below the speed limit......it works both ways....speed doesn't kill....inappropriate speed kills 😉
Near where I live... There is a tree that catches a fair few speeders.
The tree is on the exit of an off camber corner in town just past a 20mph school zone... But it also sits at the end of a 4 mile straight urban road. The speed limit for the majority is 40mph, this drops to 30 and them to 20 for the school, then sits the corner....
We had a mobile speed trap van once, talking to the dude.... He said he'd caught 140 exceeding 40mph in just 1 hour.
The tree catches around 1 night time speeder a month.. In January, it caught a dude and his mate, exceeding 120mph. His car was cut in half and looked like a shredded bean can. 1 less knob on the road.
The tree lost a little bark.
Tree scored another last night... His cakky Corsa is still in bits by the roadside along with a pile of plastic n glass.
Driving standards have certainly tumbled over recent years. There's far too many knobs on the roads and as cars have got safer people drive faster in search of excitement.
Years ago on the Radio 4 program Genius the guest judge suggested that we should remove airbags and place a spike facing the driver on the steering wheel - that would concentrate the mind on safer driving...
Those are my favourite kind of trees!
Driving in average speed check zones is quite unpleasant. You spend way too much time watching your speedo, overtaking takes forever with everyone doing almost exactly the same speed (so drivers end up in each other’s blind spots for ages), tailgating seems even more prolific than normal, and it’s not like the 70mph speed limit is particularly fast to begin with. If you’re stuck for miles doing 50 its completely mind-numbing.
Speed limits and their enforcement are a blunt instrument set with regard for the worst drivers, driving the worst cars, in the worst conditions. People are not the same, neither are their cars, and on any given day the conditions will be different. Speed limits are often far too arbitrary to warrant police enforcement in my opinion. Save the time and money for tackling bigger problems.
And continually watching your speedometer instead of the road and traffic ahead is extremely dangerous with a much greater risk of having an accident.
On top of that, the speed limits are from a time when car accidents were still routinely lethal. Heavy cars with mile long breaking distance, no airbag and not crumble zone, and often not even seat belts. Cars now are many times safer, even at higher speeds, we can afford to have higher limits.
Er no. If it takes forever to overtake then it's not worth overtaking so don't. Don't stare at the speedometer just chill and drive at the required speed. Anyway engine sound and 'feel' of the car tells an experienced driver how fast he/she is going. Bad driving kills 2,000 people a year and makes life a misery for tens of thousands.
I use my cruise control in these instances.Takes away the stress
@@StarlasAiko Cars are safer yes, mostly for the people inside the car, but what if you crash into a car that isnt as modern and safe? Or a pedestrian?
There is Gatso speed camera (I believe)* near where I live in sussex, it places in middle of dual carriage way, so it can turn to catch drivers for example one month it could be facing wsst bound and three months later it can be turn around to face east bound, which means it could flash a driver going opposite way of spreading driver, also I noticed that with Gatso camera (also I believe)*, is if a emergency services vehicle going towards the camera and they over take a vehicle and going on the opposite side of the road the camera will flashes.
* these cameras are yellow box with camera painted on the back off then
I was told that the new craze is to break into the power supply at the base of the post, rip out the fuse and cut the control cables. The other craze is to superglue the lock on the access door as this costs the councils in having to get the locks replaced.....these people hate the police and the councils.
Haha try that on the lower M6 new ones they are set in 1½metre thick concrete. We made the main posts for the project around 30 of them. Thank God I don't live anywhere near the M6 🤔🤣😂
I wouldn’t do anything like that myself....but the police haters go around causing damage and inconvenience. They’ve moved on from setting fire to tyres on cameras to trying to incapacitate them with spray paint , glue and even eggs !! Apparently they leave a horrible slimy gel on the lense.
Yeah cameras are great for gathering money and I agree the average speed type are the best option. All this is great for traffic. What worries me more is that the trend is not to use cameras instead of policing which like the speed camera is only of any use when it's too late.
The other one the gasto ones I know they can't flash when you drive towards them. I've had this happern to me at night when someone got caught and it flashed so I was blinded and nearly lost control of my coach. I was going towards it can't do anything about that
Yes it can. I've triggered one at night in the opposite direction. Fun to watch it in the mirror flashing the empty road!
Had a lovely chat with a copper here in Ireland who was explaining to me that they were "trying to save lives" with their speed traps. I suggested to them if that was the case, he should join the Samaritans as twice as many people die by suicide than on the roads. When I pushed him a little on it, he suddenly decided it wasn't about saving lives after-all. Odd that.
No he didn't. And why would police deal with criminal offences like speed!
@@NoBody-gf8ie You've not been blessed with much imagination have you?
@@casinodelonge no clearly I don't have your story telling skills and ability to spout nonsense.
speed vans warning the camera can be facing from the back or the sides of the van there are cctv on all sides of the vans and they are fitted with anpr ... not saying all of the vans are like this but alot are becomming like this
Set light to the bloody things.
Things to look out for, speed limit signs and the number showing on your speedo, if the latter is the same or lower than the former, then you'll be fine
i was a boy racer for a year and a half then Got caught 53 in a 30 on the wrong side of the road ( it doesn't register the other lane, or so i thought it just registers the direction of traffic) realised there were a camera and tried to avoid it last second, was stupid, went to court got 5 points and £295 fine due to needing my licence for work. Don't drive stupid, you'll get caught one day tm, i just admitted what i did, i didn't try and fight it or get a solicitor, i wrote in the letter that i was sorry and behaviour was stupid i wrote the reason i needed a car and it worked out in my favour, i believe the system is kinder to people who can admit when there in the wrong, so don't try and fight it.
Well said, someone who has been caught who isn't playing the victim!!!!
Don’t they give 6 points
We had something a few weeks ago - it was a new 20 limit (dropping from national speed limit), with signs at the side on the way into a village (one covered by trees) and with a 30 limit still painted on the road. I only realised when I saw a 20 sign further down the road - I'd just gone past a camera, and I was doing 26-28. I'd been sticking to what I thought was a 30 limit... Now I guess I just wait for the letter... I have no issue with enforcing the 30-40 limits, they often make sense. But some of the new "stealth" 20 limits really bother me. I'd go 20 near a school, or down a high street, but it's gotta be well signposted.
My thoughts of Speed cameras are @ 5:50 😀
Yes enjoyed the video and already was aware of some of the cameras, but not all.
If they were truly only about road safety, they would have put the speed limit on the back of the Gatso box, then people wouldn't be slamming on the brakes on a 40 or 50 road trying to get down to 30 just in case.
Very true
seriously, if driver is not aware of the current speed limit, they really shouldn't be on the road...
Even when the limits are marked on the box, people still hit the anchors to get below 30 when the limits are higher.
In N Wales those new roadside cameras on bright yellow poles must be painted with special paint,because at night they are totally invisible while grey lamp posts are easily seen.
In wales 1mph over and your booked. 0 % tolerance there. Got caught on way back from anglesey track and i was 1mph over in van. Had to do the course🙈🤦♂️
That's where I got my ticket. I was doing 60 on the motorway and missed a 50 variable speed sign.
I was in the inside lane with no traffic in the picture they sent me. I could only assume that is was an error that the variable speed was on as there was no indication as to why!
@@CorpsMedia there doesn't have to be a visible reason for the limit changes, its deemed for safety, wether it be on the road in question or a nearby roadway/junction
@@CorpsMedia I got a ticket for exactly the same as you, missed the change to 50 mph on the M5 (Cribbs - Avonmouth variable speed section). Gutted!!
Thieves.
ANPR camera, tiny ones on lampposts, mainly black, and look like Crows, but has a wifi aerial. Gets power from the lampost and uses wifi to transmit data, uses internal infrared. These do ANPR checks, but also can do speed if setup, no flash needed, no film (again does inverse, take photos of all, if reg plate and speed ok, it will delete, so dirty plates or hidden hairsprayed plates the photos will be kept and analyised by a person doing digital adjustments on the photo to get your reg plate. Some now in 2020 2021 have a yellow plastic covering which looks like the old blue Trafficmaster transmitters for fm traffic news, most thou are tiny black cameras hidden ( say 10cm x 4cm x 4cm (+ 4cm wifi aerial) ) on lampposts - you never see them unless you really look and you think it a bird like a Crow on the Lamppost.
SPECS / SPARCS - been told all reg plates have been photos, and can do ANPR check if setup to do them too. If you car is not speeding or not wanted by Police, then deletes your car photo. This means if you go throu the first speeding, and somehow evaide the next camera, longside a truck in blindspot or go cross country, your first photo will be kept for manual checking by a person.
Also for SPECS / SPARCS - only a first and other camera is needed. To save money resources, multiple posts with camera are setup on that road. You will not know which is the first or last camera that the averge speed will be calculated from. They all could be dummies, or two are real the rest are dummies, or all are real.
Council cctv - it has been said their new digital systems can do everything a ANPR can if setup to do so, as the cctv picture feed just put in a live computer running the software for reg plate gathering for mot, tax, insurance, warrants, disqualified owner, tracking of vehicle for police knowledge, parking and SPEED.
Average speed cameras were introduced on the A9 Inverness to Dunblane road in 2014, 27 different cameras over a 136 mile stretch of road.
Without doubt, these cameras slow drivers down and save lives, within 24 months, fatal accidents had reduced by 68%.
Prior to the 27 new cameras, there were 2 Gatso cameras on the 136 miles of road.
Additionally, they have made driving the A9 much more pleasurable as they also raised the HGV speed limit from the normal single carriageway 40 to 50mph
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Your welcome this video has been updated so do check that out as some of the info is mistaken
SPECS cameras are the most misunderstood by motorists. I constantly see drivers slowing down and speeding up before/after the camera.
Yeah, that always makes me laugh, watching them hammer on the brakes like it makes a difference 😂
@@leopold7562 it might though if slowing down reduces the average speed enough not to be above the guidance for prosecution.
@@KentReynolds Well, yes, but it's such a fine margin as to not be worth it as you'd need to be over by just one or two mph to get away with it. The cameras clock the time it takes to pass between them, not the speed you're doing, and can work out the average speed you're doing by simply taking the time it took to pass the two cameras.
To bore you with the maths: If two cameras are placed 2 miles apart and the average speed limit is 50mph, then it would take 2:30 to pass between them. If you were doing 60mph, you'd do it in two minutes. To bring your average down to the legal limit, you'd effectively have to stop completely for 30 seconds. At 70, you'd cover the distance in a little over 1:40, meaning you'd have to stop completely for almost 50 seconds. This kind of defeats the purpose of speeding in the first place.
TL;DR - It's very difficult to beat them, so don't bother trying.
Average speed cameras - you do not "need to be going at a constant speed". Where I live, the (A24 Box Hill) traffic often plods along at 40mph for half the distance, then on the two lane section, you can do 60mph to average 50mph. You can also speed past either camera with no repercussions.
I remember some bikers being reported in MCN for speeding along a main A road in the peak district, where the local authority put a some average speed cameras. They got off with it, because the halfwits that installed them put them on a twisty "long way round" route, yet did`nt realise, there was a local lane that cut straight through the main long route, the lane being at national speed limit for a single carraigeway road being 60mph. The main route road was 40. The local police tried to claim the bikers were doing in excess of 100mph, which even isle of man racers would have been hard to acheive.
The justification for speed cameras is to make loads of easy revenue off easy targets like a stealth tax.. 😂😂
Don't speed, can't be filmed. Simple
@@neilwilliams3298 That’s no Fun 😂👍
If you had your child killed by a motorist you later found was speeding you wouldn’t say that.
@@kingspunkbubble and if you had your child killed by a motorist transfixed on his Speedo rather than looking at the road, you wouldn't say that 🤷🏻♂️
Rubbish! The purpose is to slow traffic and reduce accident's, on average 5 people over day die on uk roads per day. Fact. If they wanted to raise money they'd put a camera van on every corner.......
I remember more than 20 years ago, i was living in Kent and going to Brands hatch on my bike to the WSB round. I came off the A2 at whet was the then Tolgate junction and headed up through Meopham. As i left the A2, i tagged on to a group of about 20 bikers all en route to Brands. We were`nt hanging about, and coming out of Meopham village, heading to Meopham Green, there was a speed camera positioned a few yards past the "Camer Corner" junction which was facing at us. We did`nt slow down, and the thing went mad, i thought it was going to blow up.
Day & night speed limits should be a thing
There needs to be general review of speed limits as they were set in the 70s and a woefully out of date. It's ridiculous that small vans are subject to lower speed limits than SUVs and 4x4s. Drivers of small vans like Peugeot Partners and VW Caddies are being unfairly targeted by a system that expects them to know that they are subject to lower limits than cars while allowing drivers of tank like SUVs to travel 10mph faster.
@@raithrover1976 Unfair? Of course they should be expected to know if they are driving a car derived vehicle or a commercial vehicle. If you are behind the wheel it's YOUR responsibility.
@@bws833 It's unfair. The old Vauxhall Combo was classed as car-derived but the new one isn't despite being roughly the same size. Even police officers I've asked as well as managers within the transport industry seem confused about what's classed as car-derived and what's not. It often comes down to which box the dealership ticked when they were registering the vehicle. The lower speed limits for vans dates back to the 70s when van drivers were behind the wheel Sherpas and Bedfords (horrible things with a high centre of gravity and useless brakes).
Personally, I'd simplify the speed limit system and have just two types of vehicle classification: light and heavy with 3.5t being the dividing line between them.