"Correction: there was a reference in the video about images being sent to Australia for review. This is incorrect. To clarify, all offence images are reviewed by authorised reviewers in the UK and the data never leaves the UK. All images are encrypted with secure and robust security and privacy protocols. The systems and processes are GDPR compliant and follow all local laws, including in the UK.
Well we will soon find that out as i reported them for it as that's illegal and they've just been caught giving our data to Israel the criminals that they are. They were downloading peoples phones and the data was going to Israel which is disgusting and Illegal. The police are a disgrace.
Nonsense . You mislead and on purpose .. half truth=a lie. All DATA once on a patented /copyright system ... belongs by "association " to the patent holders.. where do you think most of the $trillions of derivatives market come from . ???people's DATA .. you better stop your misinformation .. and people should sue
@@jayhaynes5550 they're not allowed to send anything abroad they are taking the p1ss they are in court now for sending peoples data to Israel that they downloaded from their phones. They only stop when they get dragged through court.
@@jayhaynes5550 Yes, it probably would violate the GDPR, pictures of people that can identify them count as personal data, which means it requires the subject's permission to be sent to any country that is not also part of the GDPR laws, except in very specific circumstances.
@@rsg1699 of course you haven’t, I bet you’ve never seen a police officer running a red light, using excessive force, breaching human rights or abusing their powers. I bet the only time you’ve come across the police is when they’re giving out hi fives to children and telling you to stay in school.
I'm a lorry driver and I can see inside everyone's cars out on the road and i can honestly say that at least 75% of people these days have a phone in hand whilst driving its madness
Adrian has a point though because solving burglaries does not make any money but fines from phone use do and also the knock on effext is that your insurance premium rises so they screw you for more cash too so with the phone thing everyones a winner exept the driver but with burglary it’s time consuming and takes up resouces to solve these crimes whereas these vans just stand at the roadside and ping every passing vehicle and make money all day long it’s literally a mobile cash machine.. There was a cop on a speed awareness course i done some years ago and he even admitted they use the “road safety” banner to make money and its like as he said “picking off fish in a fish bowl”.. That was an honest cop and he never even tried to deny that was the real agenda infact I respected the guy for his honesty and he even admitted seat belt use should be at your own risk if you choose not to wear one becaue any law that takes away your right to a choice is not a law it’s a dictat.. No law is responsible for your safety thats your responsibility.. Also these laws are made by corrupt politicians who also know that the fines generated from these so called laws are lining the coffers so it would be accurate to say that compliance pays dividends if your the one on charge of making those laws
There's an endless amount of technology available when it comes to these glorified ticket machines, but apparently very little available for catching criminals.
It's funny isnt it. Whilst there appears to be endless funding and resource for this extra taxation upon the law abiding hard working citizen. When your car gets stolen all the police have is sympathy....
Bit of a stupid comment really. The difference is for every crime, or the vast majority of crimes to be fully dealt with, you'd need CCTV literally EVERYWHERE, every house on every street in the whole country. There's plenty of crimes that happen without witnesses in the middle of night by people wearing gloves so no DNA left behind. Where there are no witnesses, there's no CCTV and no forensics how can anyone possibly expect police to identify the suspect? This is one of the common things I hear and I never understand people's gripes.... without evidence there is no way for the police to prosecute. It isn't enough to state "oh well, Jimmy Smith is a known burglar in that area so it was definitely Jimmy Smith, there's no evidence in the form of DNA, CCTV or witnesses to the crime but it must have been him!". People moan about "innocent" people being in prison or arrested, but on the logic above this is exactly what would happen, anytime a burglary occurs without evidence any known burglar in that area would be unlawfully arrested (unlawful as there's no reasonable suspicion to suggest it was them). This then leaves the force wide open to be sued and slandered in the media further damaging public perception. I'd love to hear how you realistically expect burglars, thieves and robbers to be caught when there's no evidence. Suggesting or knowing it was a certain person is one thing, proving it is another. Without proof you've got nothing. People also forget that we as police go to FAR more calls than any other emergency service, believe me. Domestic incident - whether a crime or not. Often these are called in by a neighbour who hears shouting or banging coming from next door. Road traffic collision - whether fatal, slight injury or no injury. Mental health crisis - someone on the street/top of a multi-storey car park/bridge threatening to jump off. Robbery - Yes, where I serve we always deploy to them if the victim wants us to. Burglaries, as above, we always deploy if they want us to. Vehicle thefts - Again, as above. Suspects on - We go to them. Car on fire, house on fire? We go to that. Any crime related to violence - fight, stabbing, someone having been assaulted? We go to that. Sexual assaults - whether recent or historic - we go to them. Dealing with drunk people who can't have 5 pints without smashing someone's face in - we deal with them too. Welfare checks - we go to MANY of these, usually councils call in at 5:30 PM on a Friday as they are about to leave to go home for the weekend, and instead of doing their job properly and conducting a welfare check themselves on someone they are concerned about, they call us to do it for them. People at hospital - if you go to hospital, book in, wait 5 hours, get bored of not being seen within those 5 hours and leave, when a doctor comes to eventually see you and discovers you aren't there, they call the police and ask them to attend their address on a "welfare check" to make sure the person isn't dead and isn't seriously unwell. We deal with a LOT of these. Sudden unexpected deaths - A person dies, unexpectedly, whether they are 30 or they are 100, we still go to ensure the death is not suspicious and there is no suggestion of any foul play concerning the death. The paperwork for this job alone just once you leave scene (usually 1-2 hours later) takes around 2-3 hours, that's if it's straight forward and not "suspicious" if it is a crime scene goes on place and tape goes up, people at the address potentially get arrested... the whole process could take an entire 10 hours or more. They're just some of the crimes we deal with that a lot of services don't. Then you have to factor officers sitting in hospital with a prisoner who needs medical treatment, officers sitting in hospital with a patient under a mental health section so they don't run off and kill themselves (which would then be the officer's fault and the force would be blamed, and no doubt sued in civil court by the relatives of said person). Officers sitting on crime scenes for sometimes months on end. Officers sitting on a plastic chair outside a cell for 8-12 hours, doing nothing but watching a detainee either sleep, talking or repeatedly smashing their head on a wall and having to intervene, or trying to fight you and you spend 8 hours constantly having to restrain them - why? In case they kill themselves in their cell, then it's the police's fault. Front office reports - people walk into the front office to report stuff, this takes officers off the street to deal with it, unless there just happens to be an officer in the station at the time who is able to deal with it (i.e not restricted). People can think and say what they like but we deal with a far wider variety of calls than any other service, and deploy to many more calls. Unlike the fire service and the ambulance service the buck lies with the police. If the fire brigade refuse to attend a job, and the ambulance service also refuse to attend because "it's not in their remit", we HAVE to attend whether it's in our remit or not.
I think you already know the answer to that one as many others myself included do.. I see cops with no seatbelt I see cops speeding without sirens and lights just because they can and I see cops using onboard recording equipment whilst in a moving vehicle and I see it quite clearly sat up in a hgv yet i also see the rules don’t seem apply to them only the peasants because it’s one rule for us and another rule for them
@@philiprhodes5537 You're half right. There are indeed one law for us one law for them. Primarily to allow them to do their job. They do indeed have special dispensation when it comes to Seatbelts, etc.
Emergency use is exempted , but if they are using their Airwave sets , and soon the new ESN sets , then there is no offence because PMR is not covered .
@@philiprhodes5537 "Speeding without lights and sirens, because they can". Actually they are perfectly legally entitled to do so, SO LONG as they have a policing purpose for doing so. The legislation states they can make use of the three exemptions afforded to them WITHOUT utilising any warning equipment, provided they are a trained driver (not all officers are). Most people don't know this and get it wrong, then have the audacity to tell officers they are "breaking the law" by speeding with no lights or siren on... saw it many times when I was in the job for 10+ years.
I spend more time now worrying about the speed limit and looking for signs and cameras than watching the road....I feel more unsafe now I'm trying to be safer.....
That's not true, for example if you want to drive to London Stansted for example the motorway have various stretches that move from 50 to 30 to 70 and they are not always posted, and the satnav ses to either conflict with what the road is saying while other drivers seem to be overtaking you or giving you shit for going slow when the signs state the limit. Sometimes the satnav won't even have a limit on it......Its completely frustrating, so actually it not about 'Going to fast' it's about the roads being correctly marked. Total bollocks, I can't stand driving....but its a must sometimes.
@@eastpak2g6 or drinking a bottle of water, or basically anything....if you Google that it's now 6 points for a phone or a bottle of water...you can get prosecution for using a phone to pay in McDonald's drive through.....
"Correction: there was a reference in the video about images being sent to Australia for review. This is incorrect. To clarify, all offence images are reviewed by authorised reviewers in the UK and the data never leaves the UK. All images are encrypted with secure and robust security and privacy protocols. The systems and processes are GDPR compliant and follow all local laws, including in the UK.”
The government using these technologies to create money for their corporation. They are too much cameras on the street of England. They should use the traffic fines money to build more Schools and community centres and take the young people of the streets.
@@sdrest just doing a quick google on this and can see that the technology is an Australian development/creation. therefore the company providing it is most likely Australian and they will have a tech support team for issues in Australia, but will have trained analysts within the police force on how to use it. that's probably where the confusion was, as he said he was only introduced to it that same morning, and he's not tech so i can see that where this confusion would have come up. I work in IT and and it's always the same, the people showing him won't know the who and where of the data, and the governance. they just know how to use it etc etc.
If this is the case (and that is a big if) re shoot the video as it is still stated by the police officer in the video or take the video down as stated by you it is factually incorrect!
@@Otis19450 possibly, although it's in the description, the officer states multiple times he's only just been shown it too, and clearly shows he's not an authority of information on it and, although it's a police officer, it's still an independent youtube channel; not an official police or governmental release. maybe, and this is just a suggestion, don't use RUclips as your source of factually accurate information...if you want to be that specific and know all the details, or are actually concerned about your data (not that i have any idea why people are concerned about their data going abroad, it's not like cyber criminals only attack within their country) then contact your local authority or that police force for a FOI request about where the data is stored.
never understand why it's so hard to stay off your phone while driving. I'm only a young lad in my early 20's but as soon as I step into my car, my phone goes down and it doesn't get picked up until I'm at my destination and safely parked up. End of the day it's like people who DUI no one is bothered if you crash and hurt yourself it's the selfish act of potentially hurting or killing other people that matters.
Spot on. If a call is that Important then they will call back. When you get to where your going and you have a message then you can read them or call back. It's not difficult is it. Jeez
You are one of the few,but its not just youngsters ive seen many middle-aged folks using them too. And by the way a lot of young drivers are really good at driving. it's just a few that are bad. You have a great mindset; it goes a long way in life.
good for you Alex ive never used my phone while driving its just not worth the drivers life or someone else , pleased that you take care of your and other peoples lives ...take care
@@infiniteskulls1 I dont use waze, but google maps re-centre button centres the map on you, otherwise you will drive off the screen and it's useless, so you need to tap re-enter if it buggs out
This just isn't sustainable tbh, jumping straight to 6 points is insaity & will screw so many people & livelihoods. A fine with a stern warning & explanation of future consequences would be better for 1st offence at least.
@@bradley9856 Just trying to be realistic tbh as clearly the order from the top is to clamp down hard, but interestingly if you get flagged as driving without insurance via cameras you often just get a letter warning you/to check with the insurer before action is taken. A warning would be the correct thing logically, but clearly they want punishment & ££....which only creates more issues in a backlogged court system & dvla. What a world.
@@d.b.cooper1 I got 6 points for no insurance even tho I was insured I just forgot to update the plate from pre registered show room plates. Solicitor says it wasn’t worth pursuing. So if I got caught allegedly using my phone within those 2 years I’d get a totting up ban which means retaking my license again
I worry when another country starts informing Uk police about UK citizens driving on UK roads where they think we are breaking UK laws. Worst thing is a British officer seems very excited about it.
I get the feeling it’s an Australian company supplying these cameras, who then “own” the image, then send it to the police in the UK and get paid for doing so.
That’s probably true but after looking a bit deeper into this tube I did notice the Police officer did hesitate in saying the images are sent to Australia by firstly saying they they went up to the clouds somewhere. After UK data protection laws are taken into account the Police may find it hard to get a prosecution after a third-party outside to UK have had contact with the evidence. This could in some cases the accused taking legal action against the Police in return for breach of data protection
Anthony, I suspect the officer is very excited about reducing the number of times he has to contact parents to tell them their child is dead after a phone-related fatal RTA...
@@thedubwhisperer2157 you really Believe this will reduce anything, going by how many are caught speeding by camera vans every year the number goes up not down proving they’re not a deterrent?
Sometimes when I'm feeling down about living in a surveillance state here in America watching videos showing how worse the U.K. is always makes me feel better
The UK is the most cctv surveillance country in the world and it's insufferable. They want to install face recognition cameras as well so they can have 15 minute cities.
Give it a rest. You literally have sheriffs hiding in bushes or medians on the interstate waiting to pounce, sitting there doing radar all day. The US has it to a tee... the UK has a lot of CCTV, and surveillance. The US has a lot of officers sat in their cars with radars active, in the median, or hiding behind a bush/car at the side of the road waiting to pounce.
As you said, we are obsessed with checking our phones, even without messages! I appreciate the new system on my phone where it recognises driving so no notifications come through and cause a distraction!
@@bxxmb80 do you have to hold the device? Not allowed. Is it attached to the dashboard? Allowed - but consider whether you could have set the destination before setting off. At any point, if you are not fully in control of your vehicle that is another offence in itself
The thing is it is completely against the law to even touch any electronic device while driving and rightly so. Yet it's perfectly ok to have a giant tablet/iPad device nailed onto the dashboard that you have to look at to just find the heater controls. Just today I followed a new ev Mustang through the local town and I could clearly see the driver happily prodding/swiping away at the screen
Touching devices is still legal - "You can use devices with hands-free access, as long as you do not hold them at any time during usage." (gov.uk) If you have it in a holder and keep it in the holder, it's just the same as said car systems (in that while not illegal of itself, you can still be prosecuted/fined with points if your driving is impaired because you're distracted.)
My phone sits in a cradle on the air vents as I use it for Google maps. If I’m adjusting my AC directly below my phone on this camera it would very much look like I’m using my phone when I’m not… how could I prove my innocence if this gives me a false ticket?
it is all about staying in control of car. even on test they get you to do a task so see if if your able to do it in a safe area and stay in control. and phone in a holder you can touch it to end call or Like hitting no thanks or continue for a way point or when stupid google tries to change your planned route as long as it in holder it is legal but there catch you must stay in control of car, able to stay in lane and do it in safe place because police could do you for careless / dangerous so do it in safe places, if it cannot be done without straying out lane then you should not attempt it@@kukunamuniuityle
Seems reasonable as long as the final deployment uses police painted vans. One question though if you do a follow up on this. He said the pictures are sent to Australia. Are these kept under UK data protection laws? How long are they kept? If no phone or seatbelt misuse is seen, is the image discarded immediately?
Seems reasonable as long as the final deployment uses police painted vans Why? If your speeding you deserve a fine ,I personally think they should hide cameras etc aswell as keep moving them around.
Hi Owen, I was given the impression by a former Traffic officer that all mobile speed cameras have to display a warning, be clearly visible to the driver and illuminated if dark. Surely the same should apply to this tech otherwise it breaches Entrapment laws that date back to the year dot?
If you're not using your phone whilst driving, why do you need to know where cameras are ? and how is it breaching entrapment laws ? no one is tricking you into using your phone are they....
@@fetchstixRHD My point is, why do you need to be told where any cameras are if you're not speeding or using your phone ? We're one of the only country's in Europe that actually tells people where speed cameras are ! and morons STILL speed through them, blaming everyone but themselves.... If you don't speed or use your phone, then cameras shouldn't be an issue....
@Solid Snake Lol, the police won't even come to your house if you get burgled, their not going to bother trying to track down who 'Tom Y' is on a RUclips comments section 😂 😂
Let's be sure to look out for any of our public servants not waring seat belts or operating any devices while behind the wheel. Try not to forget they are there to serve the public and not just to generate revenue.
2:49 difference between mobile phone and using android auto or apple car play, should this also include having to use touchscreen device to turn heating on, fan speed etc as more car controls are placed and operated using touchscreen device?
I'm all for road safety and far too many people use phones whilst driving. However I find it worrying how complicated a lot of modern infotainment on cars is compared to a phone. These days I just use the driving focus mode when I'm driving. It auto texts everyone to let them know I'm driving. Nice and simple.
THIS One of the family cars is some modern audi (the only car in the fleet i refuse to lift the bonnet on) and it has so many buttons and is so confusing to use (theres about 30 buttons) that by the time youve found the one youre after youre set for a head on crash... Meanwhile i can get in the works van, put the phone in the holder, browse youtube, and still drive safer using only peripheral vision...
I drive for a living and spend a lot of the time on the motorways in the south. The largest number of in-use mobile phones i see is large Truck drivers. Their huge door mirrors allow you to see inside the truck when passing. Another crazy thing i saw the other day on the M3 near Bracknell was a young lady in small modern car and appeared to be on a Teams Meeting while driving at 70mph.
@@alirezazadeh Live video. I could see the other people on her phone as i passed. You are not allowed to have video of any kind playing in the UK while driving.
I dont use my phone whilst driving ever, and it always gets me in trouble work wise - i suspect alot of people on their phone whilst driving is work related boss pressure so thats a message the media campaign could spread, bosses leave employees alone when they know their driving 😅
Funny enough, I know a couple of companies where it's a requirement to not use a phone while driving, including for hands free calls (assumedly the spirit isn't meant to include sat-nav use without interaction), and that if you become aware that someone is driving when you're calling them, you're to hang up immediately. Of course, how it goes in practice, I'll leave for others to comment on, will say though that if your company is such that your boss would be happy that you hung up on them because they were driving, you're pretty lucky(!)
It is an offence for a company to hold a phone conversation with an employee while they are driving the company I work for has a message system on microlise devices in the cab but still no good when driving
Glad this is a thing! The amount of times I’ve seen people driving while on their phones, either going dangerously slow or all over the shop is ridiculous
Everyday feels like a new law the government pass that's turning us into robots putting more laws in place have stopped people from making decisions from their own will and a lot of people have lost a sense of their own moral compass, decisions shouldn't be made for us we should be using initiative and yes sometimes we need to learn the hard way which only pushes you to become a greater person
I think it's too much when even pedestrians walk into you because of their spastic plastic phones, but because I've a body like a Hummer to their Mini I don't move out the way. Ouch!
Unfortinatly you don't have a expectation of privacy in a public place so they and anyone can take pictures of anything they want without permisson and it won't breach the human rights act , except in public toilets where you have an expectation of privacy and having a CCTV camera in a public or private buisiness toilet is breaching the human rights act 1998.
Does it take pictures into the car regardless of whether you're using a mobile or not. If so isn't there a risk of this being used for other reasons or snooping into cars???
Easy. Deny you were driving. Still works even on speed cameras but you need to be adamant it wasn't your car and that you know where the car was that day. They automatically put it down to a stolen reg.
@@bigduphusaj162 If you were driving why lie? It will catch up to you eventually and turn out worse than if you told the truth in the first place. Be honest in all things that's the best way to live
i would’ve thought the younger generation would be better at wearing seatbelts, but it pains me to see someone on their phone at the wheel, usually bc they’re hogging the middle lane and are swerving
Investing peoples money in nonsense, go do your job and find pedos and murders . But no that would be too hard for ya so you just focus on people selling weed and people using their phones
Not true, Ievery person I see with a phone in hand is of any age, same for not wearing seatbelts (older people if anything) and hogging the middle lane is especially 40s+. Stop using the younger generations as a scapegoat, your theory was like 6 pages, no wonder all the dangerous oblivious drivers are older
@@seriousgameofficial i’m under 25 so don’t even try that one, and i was saying the seatbelt thing specifically in relation to young people because they’ve grown up with constant reinforcement of seatbelt seatbelt seatbelt. young people aren’t the biggest problem on the road, that’s definitely the older generation
@@mattjagger4360 sounds like you’re excusing the problem a bit. most accidents are at slow speeds so there’s a correlation there (granted not causation but hard to overlook)
What if you are sitting at a red traffic light and you change the song? The phone is on a dashboard mount and is basically the same as changing the radio station? I assume this is still an offence but don’t think it should be. Only if at a red light though.
Still an offence. You cannot use a phone if you're classed as driving ie waiting at a traffic light. And even if parked at the curb with your engine running.
@@hazyblue69 No, it's not an offence if the device is in a holder. If you caused an accident because you were too busy fiddling with the phone though, you could still be charged with not driving with due care and attention.
@@125brat: Correct, in fact the guidance is pretty clear: "You can use devices with hands-free access, as long as you do not hold them at any time during usage." Dashboard/windscreen holders/mounts count, but the device "...must not block your view of the road and traffic ahead", and you still "...must stay in full control of your vehicle at all times."
I went to a awareness course once and an the trainer who was a ex police officer said you can still get fined even for adjusting heating or radio. Sounds crazy right? He explained you have one hand of the steering and police can use this as their grounds to fine you. But they and us all know that would be petty
@@mrama405 With all these modern cars with touch-screen displays to control everything, I think it's going to end up causing a lot more problems and potentially offences.
Advice please, while driving to a local supermarket my free music app decided to play a video ad and a Police van right behind me. So I don't touch the phone to cancel and steering wheel button won't cancel. What is the offence here??? I explained to the officer whom did pull me over and fairly said if using that app put the phone out of visible view in future.
Can you please ask Owen if using my mobile through my entertainment system by Bluetooth, for example pressing a button on my steering wheel and asking by voice to call a certain person is legal.
Be very careful, the team in Australia gets it wrong too often because they dont check properly. I have personally seen fines with photos that have no phone in the picture at all instead it has mistaken the control panel on modern car steering wheel as a mobile phone .
I cannot even talk on handsfree without it affecting my driving. If caught, death by firing squad. I drive for a living and can spot a distracted driver a mile off. Some days I wish I had James Bond rockets in my front grill so I can rid the world of these problematic road users swiftly.
I was under the impression that it was ai? It makes no sense to send it to Australia? It’s obviously a private company… Hopefully we can buy it off this company and use our own forces
@@Euclidean3141 Thanks for the assumption that I don't prioritise road safety, I was more concerned about the HOW they've done this as opposed to the data actually being shared. I've since learned that the UK has a free trade agreement with Australia meaning data and information can flow freely. However a correct has been made stating that no data leaves the UK anyway. That being said the UK doesn't have free trade agreements with all countries and data can't flow freely, exposure of our personal information and data can be as much of a safety concern as road safety and being aware of where information about you is stored should take priority too.
You still will be prosecuted for touching a phone used for satnav. Double-standards as usuals. They allow car manufacturers to put basic stuff like the blower/aircon controls under menus on touchscreens so people have to constantly flick through them it's fine, but if a poor person wants to use a phone for satnav and touches it ones during driving gets 6 points.
no you won't, it is all about staying in control of car. even on test they get you to do a task so see if if your able to do it in a safe area and stay in control. and phone in a holder you can touch it to end call or Like hitting no thanks or continue for a way point or when stupid google tries to change your planned route as long as it in holder it is legal but there catch you must stay in control of car, able to stay in lane and do it in safe place because police could do you for careless / dangerous so do it in safe places, if it cannot be done without straying out lane then you should not attempt it@@user-Wojciech
@@stevekenilworth i had this opinion because of this copper, he spreads misinformation on RUclips "as soon as you touch a phone while driving, even in a cradle, you will be prosecuted". But BlackBeltBarrister has commented on this law a couple of months ago and said that if your phone is in a cradle then it stops being a handheld device and you can use it. Spokesperson for the Police continuously misinterpreting the law. Shows how much they know.
When I am driving, I tend to use my phone as a satnav or I have music playing with my phone unlocked. Since it only uses infrared detection, will it make a detection of using the phone whilst driving or is there a differentiation?
it is all about staying in control of car. even on test they get you to do a task so see if if your able to do it in a safe area and stay in control. and phone in a holder you can touch it to end call or Like hitting no thanks or continue for a way point or when stupid google tries to change your planned route as long as it in holder it is legal but there catch you must stay in control of car, able to stay in lane and do it in safe place because police could do you for careless / dangerous so do it in safe places, if it cannot be done without straying out lane then you should not attempt it
I saw one of these vans in October 2023 on the A5 at the layby near Atherstone, warwickshire where the closed down copper kettle cafe is. Being a hgv driver, i personally dont touch my mobile as im driving as we can blue tooth link it to the truck, controls on the steering wheel as well so legal for the time being. The penalty for a hgv driver using a mobile is a fine, driving ban (approx 6-8 weeks) then an interview with the dvsa area traffic commissioner where the driver has to literally beg for the return of their hgv entitlement to drive, although the car part is automatically returned.
Paul walker wore his seat belt when his car crashed his seat belt got stuck and he was burned alive, there’s many cases where a belt has also killed people.
@@Philljag I think an interesting study would be to look at the cases such as that to be able to prevent it from happening, things like seatbelt cutters could be inbuilt?
My mate was in a big crash he rolled a few times and wasn't wearing a seat belt, he had two broken ribs the doctors said he would of been worse if he had it on
Will this apply to the police who use mobiles whilst driving as well or is it only for the public? Also why does Austrlia have to have a check if it is a certain phone use while driving ofense and then send it to the UK. Can the UK not decide if its definately an ofender?
Anyone complaining about this has an obviously guilty conscience. It's pretty straightforward really. If you don't want to risk getting points and a fine, wear your seat belt and don't use your phone! Same with speed cameras. If you don't want the risk, don't speed. If you do something you know is illegal, you have to accept getting caught and punished as an occupational hazard. The end!
@@nathanaelwarden so why are they complaining that it’s clogging the court system up in Australia with false detections even after they’ve been examined by people? All you’d have to do is get chameleon window tint on your windscreen it won’t see through that 😂😂
All the new cars now have a big tablets with many options (like tesla) and people using it while driving and its ok to use that but when you have your phone on holder and touch it using navi for example that will be illegal?
Just because there's no laws that say you need a warning for this specific device apparently means that they can manipulate it that way to make money from catching you out. They're taking advantage of abstract laws. Sent from my iPhone while driving.
"You can use devices with hands-free access, as long as you do not hold them at any time during usage. Hands-free access means using, for example: (...) a dashboard holder or mat, a windscreen mount, a built-in sat nav." If someone got points for that, I'd suggest taking the government's own advice above and fighting it (provided of course that they didn't instead take issue with lack of control).
Owen, Have you done or are you thinking of doing a tutorial on the use of mobile phones in vehicles. I find a lot of the questions I get asked as a trainer are around proper control of a vehicle, the definition of that part of the legislation and types of devises used eg sat nav, radios etc. It would be brilliant if you could do a tutorial on the subject of devices used in a vehicle and the definition of proper control of a vehicle! Thanks Anjee
And not before time, its a big responsibility driving a vehicle keeping yourself safe and respecting other road users. There's loads of tech out there to link phones to vehicles handsfree, however some people won't and can't leave there phones alone for 2 minutes and still use them while driving and have them stuck up in the A zone of their windscreens so they don't miss out on gossip on social media. So here we are.... use your phone, pay the price! 👏👏👏👏
i hope they have a good trial period cos i for one would like to see this implemented across the uk, especially up here in the north of england where i live as i see this so often especially when people are turning corners or onto/off main roads
It’s been trailed in Warwickshire a few months back. How about they run with it. Tried and tested camera system, just get it rolled out across the country.
I was driving on a dual carriageway recently and saw a young woman who had both hands on her phone in front of the steering wheel. She was swerving left and right and it was completely obvious to any driver that she wasn’t paying attention. Very dangerous to have a car swerve from the edge of the road into the centre as often as she did and I only wish a police car was nearby because she had a total disregard for her safety and the drivers around her.
We encountered one of those today. Parked on an extremely wide bit of road with great visibility exiting a town where you could safely do double the speed limit they were there to enforce. They're the biggest joke to the real world since the politicians that thought they would be a good use of funding.
I use my phone for directions as multy drop driver I have it mounted on a magnetic stand as I need to see it to know where my next drop is this classed as offence. If so then there Will be a lot of couriers out of work.
Honestly majority of my experiences with bad drivers are always old people, I agree being glued to your phone while driving is bad but the way some of these pensioners drive is awful
I would imagine yes as you can legally record people's picture and number plate on RUclips and that gets send worldwide effectively. Providing you are on public land then even civilians can record what they like.
@@SoggyCabbages ahh ok, I more meant the original commenter, as they openly admitted to not wearing a seat belt, it baffles me that some people don't belt up, also young people's addiction to there device when driving, I'm 24 and I just connect the car play and chuck my phone in the centre console and forget about it
I have a question, we couriers or those who deliver cars and we need to call customers while driving if the phone is in sight why can't we do this Or if we have to find a gas station urgently,???
If a phone is mounted on the dash board and not in your hand. Surely touching the screen to accept a call or skip a track is exactly the same if not safer than navigating a complicated infotainment system? Please clarify this and explain if the above scenario is legal or not 👍
it is all about staying in control of car. even on test they get you to do a task so see if if your able to do it in a safe area and stay in control. and phone in a holder you can touch it to end call or Like hitting no thanks or continue for a way point or when stupid google tries to change your planned route as long as it in holder it is legal but there catch you must stay in control of car, able to stay in lane and do it in safe place because police could do you for careless / dangerous so do it in safe places, if it cannot be done without straying out lane then you should not attempt it
Fully in support of this, an argument can be made for speed cameras being a distraction and revenue generating tools, but people using phones when driving is a level of distraction that regularly affects the safety of me and other road users. It infuriates me people not paying attention to the road and driving dangerously for the sake of checking their social media.
In all honesty is anyone actually safe on the roads? A driver who has 2 hands on steering, in their speed limit, fully concentrating can hit you today! Tomorrow next week (I pray this don't happen ofcourse)
Every Phone connected to a SIM can be traced through GPS and Call History. Buy Apple Phone as Apple has DEFEATED UK LAW on MURDER Evidence through Privacy law on Victim.
I'm all for this. Its really not hard to put down your phone while driving. I'll never understand why people insist on texting when they're driving. Tbf tho its usually a German car driver... I ride with my quad lock usually so I can see everything but have it off when I'm not looking at maps on the way
As someone that is a part of the modified car community, I completely agree with this. People should not be on their phones while driving. I'm all for these cameras. At least this is actually doing something for road safety rather than handing out £200 fines for doing 32 in a 30.
My son has to use his phone to monitor his type 1 diabetes. This is done by touching a monitor on his arm with his mobile phone,although he is required to test his blood b4 driving which is ok on small journeys but if he is stuck in traffic he will need to test straight away if he feels unwell. I wonder how this would be dealt with by the police?
This Is amazing and if you are complaining you are part of the problem and clearly have never been hit or have someone you loved been killed by a distracted driver period
So when challenged in court your expert witness from Australia will be summoned to court. Thanks for the heads up on what constitutes being in the public interest. Let us know when you get a precedent setting case.
What if it starts to accuse innocent people like doing a gear shift at that exact time mistaking that for a phone could be bad for drivers. Also i want to know if under glow "LED's under the car" is legal here in the uk google says its okay to have it as long as its not distracting as long as they don't put out red or blue light and as long as they don't flash is this correct ?
"Correction: there was a reference in the video about images being sent to Australia for review. This is incorrect. To clarify, all offence images are reviewed by authorised reviewers in the UK and the data never leaves the UK. All images are encrypted with secure and robust security and privacy protocols. The systems and processes are GDPR compliant and follow all local laws, including in the UK.
Well we will soon find that out as i reported them for it as that's illegal and they've just been caught giving our data to Israel the criminals that they are. They were downloading peoples phones and the data was going to Israel which is disgusting and Illegal. The police are a disgrace.
Nonsense . You mislead and on purpose .. half truth=a lie. All DATA once on a patented /copyright system ... belongs by "association " to the patent holders.. where do you think most of the $trillions of derivatives market come from . ???people's DATA .. you better stop your misinformation .. and people should sue
Even if they were sending these pictures wouldn’t violate GDPR would it? They wouldn’t have details of the driver just a number plate?
@@jayhaynes5550 they're not allowed to send anything abroad they are taking the p1ss they are in court now for sending peoples data to Israel that they downloaded from their phones. They only stop when they get dragged through court.
@@jayhaynes5550 Yes, it probably would violate the GDPR, pictures of people that can identify them count as personal data, which means it requires the subject's permission to be sent to any country that is not also part of the GDPR laws, except in very specific circumstances.
I work in London and the amount of police officers in police cars I see using a mobile phone while driving is mind-blowing.
Too many police frequently commit road traffic offences whilst not attending a call.
Law to themselves nowadays, when it suits and all that, power of authority...
I live in London and have been here all my life, I’ve not seen one police officer using a mobile phone whilst driving
@@rsg1699 i live in london and i have, where do we go from here officer
@@rsg1699 of course you haven’t, I bet you’ve never seen a police officer running a red light, using excessive force, breaching human rights or abusing their powers. I bet the only time you’ve come across the police is when they’re giving out hi fives to children and telling you to stay in school.
I'm a lorry driver and I can see inside everyone's cars out on the road and i can honestly say that at least 75% of people these days have a phone in hand whilst driving its madness
I wouldn't say it's anywhere near 75% but the amount of people that do it is shocking
@@shaunbrasier774 watch cycling mikey, watch how many he catches I’d say it’s about 75%
@@shaunbrasier774 you're obviously concentrating on the road more than me then drive 🤣👍🏻
You lorry drivers are the worst for it 🤣
@@markdowzell4550 shhhhhhhhh you're not supposed to see up here
They can see you on your phone and it's a good thing, but no burglaries have been solved in the last 3yrs in the UK
I got defrauded & the police where just not interested
@@Euclidean3141 They solved the burglaries on my house, but if Adrian Phillips say they didn't then I must of imagined it all.
This post is not about burglary
No excuses Adrian, put your phone down.
Adrian has a point though because solving burglaries does not make any money but fines from phone use do and also the knock on effext is that your insurance premium rises so they screw you for more cash too so with the phone thing everyones a winner exept the driver but with burglary it’s time consuming and takes up resouces to solve these crimes whereas these vans just stand at the roadside and ping every passing vehicle and make money all day long it’s literally a mobile cash machine..
There was a cop on a speed awareness course i done some years ago and he even admitted they use the “road safety” banner to make money and its like as he said “picking off fish in a fish bowl”..
That was an honest cop and he never even tried to deny that was the real agenda infact I respected the guy for his honesty and he even admitted seat belt use should be at your own risk if you choose not to wear one becaue any law that takes away your right to a choice is not a law it’s a dictat..
No law is responsible for your safety thats your responsibility..
Also these laws are made by corrupt politicians who also know that the fines generated from these so called laws are lining the coffers so it would be accurate to say that compliance pays dividends if your the one on charge of making those laws
There's an endless amount of technology available when it comes to these glorified ticket machines, but apparently very little available for catching criminals.
There no easy coin to be made catching real criminals, easier to pick the low hanging fruit...
It's funny isnt it. Whilst there appears to be endless funding and resource for this extra taxation upon the law abiding hard working citizen.
When your car gets stolen all the police have is sympathy....
@@James-dj1xuwell said 👏
Bit of a stupid comment really.
The difference is for every crime, or the vast majority of crimes to be fully dealt with, you'd need CCTV literally EVERYWHERE, every house on every street in the whole country. There's plenty of crimes that happen without witnesses in the middle of night by people wearing gloves so no DNA left behind. Where there are no witnesses, there's no CCTV and no forensics how can anyone possibly expect police to identify the suspect?
This is one of the common things I hear and I never understand people's gripes.... without evidence there is no way for the police to prosecute. It isn't enough to state "oh well, Jimmy Smith is a known burglar in that area so it was definitely Jimmy Smith, there's no evidence in the form of DNA, CCTV or witnesses to the crime but it must have been him!".
People moan about "innocent" people being in prison or arrested, but on the logic above this is exactly what would happen, anytime a burglary occurs without evidence any known burglar in that area would be unlawfully arrested (unlawful as there's no reasonable suspicion to suggest it was them). This then leaves the force wide open to be sued and slandered in the media further damaging public perception.
I'd love to hear how you realistically expect burglars, thieves and robbers to be caught when there's no evidence. Suggesting or knowing it was a certain person is one thing, proving it is another. Without proof you've got nothing.
People also forget that we as police go to FAR more calls than any other emergency service, believe me.
Domestic incident - whether a crime or not. Often these are called in by a neighbour who hears shouting or banging coming from next door.
Road traffic collision - whether fatal, slight injury or no injury.
Mental health crisis - someone on the street/top of a multi-storey car park/bridge threatening to jump off.
Robbery - Yes, where I serve we always deploy to them if the victim wants us to.
Burglaries, as above, we always deploy if they want us to.
Vehicle thefts - Again, as above.
Suspects on - We go to them.
Car on fire, house on fire? We go to that.
Any crime related to violence - fight, stabbing, someone having been assaulted? We go to that.
Sexual assaults - whether recent or historic - we go to them.
Dealing with drunk people who can't have 5 pints without smashing someone's face in - we deal with them too.
Welfare checks - we go to MANY of these, usually councils call in at 5:30 PM on a Friday as they are about to leave to go home for the weekend, and instead of doing their job properly and conducting a welfare check themselves on someone they are concerned about, they call us to do it for them.
People at hospital - if you go to hospital, book in, wait 5 hours, get bored of not being seen within those 5 hours and leave, when a doctor comes to eventually see you and discovers you aren't there, they call the police and ask them to attend their address on a "welfare check" to make sure the person isn't dead and isn't seriously unwell. We deal with a LOT of these.
Sudden unexpected deaths - A person dies, unexpectedly, whether they are 30 or they are 100, we still go to ensure the death is not suspicious and there is no suggestion of any foul play concerning the death. The paperwork for this job alone just once you leave scene (usually 1-2 hours later) takes around 2-3 hours, that's if it's straight forward and not "suspicious" if it is a crime scene goes on place and tape goes up, people at the address potentially get arrested... the whole process could take an entire 10 hours or more.
They're just some of the crimes we deal with that a lot of services don't.
Then you have to factor officers sitting in hospital with a prisoner who needs medical treatment, officers sitting in hospital with a patient under a mental health section so they don't run off and kill themselves (which would then be the officer's fault and the force would be blamed, and no doubt sued in civil court by the relatives of said person).
Officers sitting on crime scenes for sometimes months on end.
Officers sitting on a plastic chair outside a cell for 8-12 hours, doing nothing but watching a detainee either sleep, talking or repeatedly smashing their head on a wall and having to intervene, or trying to fight you and you spend 8 hours constantly having to restrain them - why? In case they kill themselves in their cell, then it's the police's fault.
Front office reports - people walk into the front office to report stuff, this takes officers off the street to deal with it, unless there just happens to be an officer in the station at the time who is able to deal with it (i.e not restricted).
People can think and say what they like but we deal with a far wider variety of calls than any other service, and deploy to many more calls. Unlike the fire service and the ambulance service the buck lies with the police. If the fire brigade refuse to attend a job, and the ambulance service also refuse to attend because "it's not in their remit", we HAVE to attend whether it's in our remit or not.
All those missing children
Will this apply to plods who use mobiles whilst driving as well or is it 1 rule for us and another for them again?
I think you already know the answer to that one as many others myself included do..
I see cops with no seatbelt I see cops speeding without sirens and lights just because they can and I see cops using onboard recording equipment whilst in a moving vehicle and I see it quite clearly sat up in a hgv yet i also see the rules don’t seem apply to them only the peasants because it’s one rule for us and another rule for them
@@philiprhodes5537 You're half right.
There are indeed one law for us one law for them. Primarily to allow them to do their job. They do indeed have special dispensation when it comes to Seatbelts, etc.
It's one rule for us and another for them, there allowed to do it because of a loophole which makes there phones classed as radios and are exempt
Emergency use is exempted , but if they are using their Airwave sets , and soon the new ESN sets , then there is no offence because PMR is not covered .
@@philiprhodes5537 "Speeding without lights and sirens, because they can".
Actually they are perfectly legally entitled to do so, SO LONG as they have a policing purpose for doing so. The legislation states they can make use of the three exemptions afforded to them WITHOUT utilising any warning equipment, provided they are a trained driver (not all officers are).
Most people don't know this and get it wrong, then have the audacity to tell officers they are "breaking the law" by speeding with no lights or siren on... saw it many times when I was in the job for 10+ years.
If only they had these cameras and image quality on CCTV for crimes mad to think hey 🙈🤷♂️
CCTV doesn’t generate fines
Crazy isn’t it
Exactly! To catch muggers etc buuuuut nope!! Remember muggers and other scumbags don’t tend to pay fines
Wouldn’t make them money would it? They only invest on monetary solutions
Cctv robberies always look like Roblox
I drive for a living as my job. The amount of traffic officers I see overtake me using their phone is crazy so I hope they get caught too 😁
its one law for them whilst a different law for the rest of us ,didnt you know , Fletcher ??? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
They are allowed, i'm afraid.
@@tonyfearn2452 You are also allowed by law to use your phone while driving in an emergency.
Is it their phone or radio?
@@emanuelm6590 unfortunately they ain't allowed to whilst driving.
I spend more time now worrying about the speed limit and looking for signs and cameras than watching the road....I feel more unsafe now I'm trying to be safer.....
If you're worried about the speed limit, your going too fast 😆
you should only be worried it you're using your phone.
That's not true, for example if you want to drive to London Stansted for example the motorway have various stretches that move from 50 to 30 to 70 and they are not always posted, and the satnav ses to either conflict with what the road is saying while other drivers seem to be overtaking you or giving you shit for going slow when the signs state the limit. Sometimes the satnav won't even have a limit on it......Its completely frustrating, so actually it not about 'Going to fast' it's about the roads being correctly marked. Total bollocks, I can't stand driving....but its a must sometimes.
@@eastpak2g6 or drinking a bottle of water, or basically anything....if you Google that it's now 6 points for a phone or a bottle of water...you can get prosecution for using a phone to pay in McDonald's drive through.....
Just stick your speed limiter on or cruise control.
"Correction: there was a reference in the video about images being sent to Australia for review. This is incorrect. To clarify, all offence images are reviewed by authorised reviewers in the UK and the data never leaves the UK. All images are encrypted with secure and robust security and privacy protocols. The systems and processes are GDPR compliant and follow all local laws, including in the UK.”
The government using these technologies to create money for their corporation. They are too much cameras on the street of England. They should use the traffic fines money to build more Schools and community centres and take the young people of the streets.
@@sdrest just doing a quick google on this and can see that the technology is an Australian development/creation. therefore the company providing it is most likely Australian and they will have a tech support team for issues in Australia, but will have trained analysts within the police force on how to use it.
that's probably where the confusion was, as he said he was only introduced to it that same morning, and he's not tech so i can see that where this confusion would have come up.
I work in IT and and it's always the same, the people showing him won't know the who and where of the data, and the governance. they just know how to use it etc etc.
If this is the case (and that is a big if) re shoot the video as it is still stated by the police officer in the video or take the video down as stated by you it is factually incorrect!
@@Otis19450 possibly, although it's in the description, the officer states multiple times he's only just been shown it too, and clearly shows he's not an authority of information on it and, although it's a police officer, it's still an independent youtube channel; not an official police or governmental release.
maybe, and this is just a suggestion, don't use RUclips as your source of factually accurate information...if you want to be that specific and know all the details, or are actually concerned about your data (not that i have any idea why people are concerned about their data going abroad, it's not like cyber criminals only attack within their country) then contact your local authority or that police force for a FOI request about where the data is stored.
It's prob been delegated to your local CSO by now, coz he's no clue.
never understand why it's so hard to stay off your phone while driving. I'm only a young lad in my early 20's but as soon as I step into my car, my phone goes down and it doesn't get picked up until I'm at my destination and safely parked up. End of the day it's like people who DUI no one is bothered if you crash and hurt yourself it's the selfish act of potentially hurting or killing other people that matters.
Good lad 👍
Spot on pal 👌
Spot on. If a call is that Important then they will call back. When you get to where your going and you have a message then you can read them or call back. It's not difficult is it. Jeez
You are one of the few,but its not just youngsters ive seen many middle-aged folks using them too.
And by the way a lot of young drivers are really good at driving. it's just a few that are bad.
You have a great mindset; it goes a long way in life.
good for you Alex ive never used my phone while driving its just not worth the drivers life or someone else , pleased that you take care of your and other peoples lives ...take care
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Same 😂
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40 seconds in sounds like a ek4 Honda Civic vti giving it some vtec b16 power haha
Always wear a seat belt and don't text and drive. But if I'm turning down my AC or something similar I better not get a ticket 🤣
*clicks recentre on Waze* there goes your driving license young mister, did you not pay attention in driving class?
@@blanco7726 what r u on about
@@infiniteskulls1 I dont use waze, but google maps re-centre button centres the map on you, otherwise you will drive off the screen and it's useless, so you need to tap re-enter if it buggs out
@@bradley9856 ohhh okay thanks 😂
@@blanco7726 it’s all good Waze pre-warns us
The amount of false detections with these cameras is very bad, just search for it and you'll find many videos about it. Especially Australia
You have any idea why they send them to Australia
@@marlesy2k7 the company that's behind the scheme is based in Australia, probably a collaborative job with D&C police to try get into the UK market
@@DJAlexParker what’s the company name?
Good job it goes through humans to check if they are legit then.
yea a lady over here in Australia. a lady got done for having a chocolate covered ice cream
Been rear ended by a young driver looking down at their phone. Could see her in the mirror but nowhere to go to avoid.
what kind of friggin dystopia are we being turned into
Honestly.. any way to take money from people's pockets it seems
This just isn't sustainable tbh, jumping straight to 6 points is insaity & will screw so many people & livelihoods. A fine with a stern warning & explanation of future consequences would be better for 1st offence at least.
@@d.b.cooper1 totally, not even a fine, just a warning.
@@bradley9856 Just trying to be realistic tbh as clearly the order from the top is to clamp down hard, but interestingly if you get flagged as driving without insurance via cameras you often just get a letter warning you/to check with the insurer before action is taken. A warning would be the correct thing logically, but clearly they want punishment & ££....which only creates more issues in a backlogged court system & dvla. What a world.
@@d.b.cooper1 I got 6 points for no insurance even tho I was insured I just forgot to update the plate from pre registered show room plates. Solicitor says it wasn’t worth pursuing. So if I got caught allegedly using my phone within those 2 years I’d get a totting up ban which means retaking my license again
I worry when another country starts informing Uk police about UK citizens driving on UK roads where they think we are breaking UK laws. Worst thing is a British officer seems very excited about it.
I get the feeling it’s an Australian company supplying these cameras, who then “own” the image, then send it to the police in the UK and get paid for doing so.
That’s probably true but after looking a bit deeper into this tube I did notice the Police officer did hesitate in saying the images are sent to Australia by firstly saying they they went up to the clouds somewhere. After UK data protection laws are taken into account the Police may find it hard to get a prosecution after a third-party outside to UK have had contact with the evidence. This could in some cases the accused taking legal action against the Police in return for breach of data protection
Anthony, I suspect the officer is very excited about reducing the number of times he has to contact parents to tell them their child is dead after a phone-related fatal RTA...
@@thedubwhisperer2157 this exactly
@@thedubwhisperer2157 you really Believe this will reduce anything, going by how many are caught speeding by camera vans every year the number goes up not down proving they’re not a deterrent?
Yer plenty money wasting and cash grab on top of everything else well done this cash grab government.
Sometimes when I'm feeling down about living in a surveillance state here in America watching videos showing how worse the U.K. is always makes me feel better
The UK is the most cctv surveillance country in the world and it's insufferable. They want to install face recognition cameras as well so they can have 15 minute cities.
Little London has more cameras than the whole of America
Sure, but I'd rather have a speeding ticket than being a victim of mass shooting or drive-by.
It's a policed state. But one that is in choas. How can that be ? Unless the powers that be want it that way ? More crime = more control.
Give it a rest.
You literally have sheriffs hiding in bushes or medians on the interstate waiting to pounce, sitting there doing radar all day.
The US has it to a tee... the UK has a lot of CCTV, and surveillance. The US has a lot of officers sat in their cars with radars active, in the median, or hiding behind a bush/car at the side of the road waiting to pounce.
As you said, we are obsessed with checking our phones, even without messages! I appreciate the new system on my phone where it recognises driving so no notifications come through and cause a distraction!
What if I'm using the sat nav on my phone??
@@bxxmb80 do you have to hold the device? Not allowed. Is it attached to the dashboard? Allowed - but consider whether you could have set the destination before setting off. At any point, if you are not fully in control of your vehicle that is another offence in itself
@@cdroaima
Yes I do set it before I leave and it's attached on a phone holder on the windscreen..
The thing is it is completely against the law to even touch any electronic device while driving and rightly so. Yet it's perfectly ok to have a giant tablet/iPad device nailed onto the dashboard that you have to look at to just find the heater controls. Just today I followed a new ev Mustang through the local town and I could clearly see the driver happily prodding/swiping away at the screen
Touching devices is still legal - "You can use devices with hands-free access, as long as you do not hold them at any time during usage." (gov.uk) If you have it in a holder and keep it in the holder, it's just the same as said car systems (in that while not illegal of itself, you can still be prosecuted/fined with points if your driving is impaired because you're distracted.)
No it’s not aslong as a satnav is still on the cradle it’s not an offence 😂😂
My phone sits in a cradle on the air vents as I use it for Google maps. If I’m adjusting my AC directly below my phone on this camera it would very much look like I’m using my phone when I’m not… how could I prove my innocence if this gives me a false ticket?
Don't think u can unfortunately
Very good question
Using the phone in the cradle isn’t an offence
@@randomchannel5386 it is
it is all about staying in control of car. even on test they get you to do a task so see if if your able to do it in a safe area and stay in control. and phone in a holder you can touch it to end call or Like hitting no thanks or continue for a way point or when stupid google tries to change your planned route as long as it in holder it is legal but there catch you must stay in control of car, able to stay in lane and do it in safe place because police could do you for careless / dangerous so do it in safe places, if it cannot be done without straying out lane then you should not attempt it@@kukunamuniuityle
Seems reasonable as long as the final deployment uses police painted vans.
One question though if you do a follow up on this. He said the pictures are sent to Australia. Are these kept under UK data protection laws? How long are they kept? If no phone or seatbelt misuse is seen, is the image discarded immediately?
Seems reasonable as long as the final deployment uses police painted vans
Why?
If your speeding you deserve a fine ,I personally think they should hide cameras etc aswell as keep moving them around.
@@jadoon2981 maybe move to North Korea you’d love it there 👍
@@jadoon2981 so there is nowhere to hide for the drivers. There's a reason all the speed cameras have signs and are painted yellow.
Data Protection won't apply - a) you're out in public, b) a vehicle registration doesn't identify the driver.
@@CJ0175 data protection will apply as its information kept by a company/corporation.
So keep your phone low under steering wheel if you don't want to get caught. Thanks for the info
Just get a proper carpet and keep the phone docked in its cradle - as long as it is not handheld , there is no offence .
Sure I saw that on the A38 near Plymouth. I can't be certain as I was too busy eating my lunch and texting my mates....
Always hold your phone under the steering wheel or close to the right hand corner of the car under the dash and you will never get caught.
But you'll definitely crash eventually
Agreed :)
@@abunchofstuff7418 hopefully
better don't , keep it in the pocket
Hi Owen, I was given the impression by a former Traffic officer that all mobile speed cameras have to display a warning, be clearly visible to the driver and illuminated if dark. Surely the same should apply to this tech otherwise it breaches Entrapment laws that date back to the year dot?
That's not true, however you will often see fixed camera signs at points where mobile camera vans park.
If you're not using your phone whilst driving, why do you need to know where cameras are ? and how is it breaching entrapment laws ? no one is tricking you into using your phone are they....
Has anyone else thought about the distractions these vans might cause!
@@thediddymen1408: Well, replace "using your phone" with "speeding" and the same could surely be said, so why would one count and the other not?
@@fetchstixRHD My point is, why do you need to be told where any cameras are if you're not speeding or using your phone ? We're one of the only country's in Europe that actually tells people where speed cameras are ! and morons STILL speed through them, blaming everyone but themselves.... If you don't speed or use your phone, then cameras shouldn't be an issue....
Irony of me watching this driving home from work 😂
please tell me this is a joke 💀
@Solid Snake Lol, the police won't even come to your house if you get burgled, their not going to bother trying to track down who 'Tom Y' is on a RUclips comments section 😂 😂
Let's be sure to look out for any of our public servants not waring seat belts or operating any devices while behind the wheel. Try not to forget they are there to serve the public and not just to generate revenue.
We already do
2:49 difference between mobile phone and using android auto or apple car play, should this also include having to use touchscreen device to turn heating on, fan speed etc as more car controls are placed and operated using touchscreen device?
I'm all for road safety and far too many people use phones whilst driving. However I find it worrying how complicated a lot of modern infotainment on cars is compared to a phone.
These days I just use the driving focus mode when I'm driving. It auto texts everyone to let them know I'm driving. Nice and simple.
Well done
Thats the sort of technology that all vehicles should have then instead of punishing kids whove been brainwashed to behave that way.
@@Me-si6lf what's hard about to understand, don't use mobile phones while driving, they should be punished
I verbally ask my phone to read out my text messages and reply if i want to. Easy
THIS
One of the family cars is some modern audi (the only car in the fleet i refuse to lift the bonnet on) and it has so many buttons and is so confusing to use (theres about 30 buttons) that by the time youve found the one youre after youre set for a head on crash...
Meanwhile i can get in the works van, put the phone in the holder, browse youtube, and still drive safer using only peripheral vision...
I drive for a living and spend a lot of the time on the motorways in the south. The largest number of in-use mobile phones i see is large Truck drivers. Their huge door mirrors allow you to see inside the truck when passing. Another crazy thing i saw the other day on the M3 near Bracknell was a young lady in small modern car and appeared to be on a Teams Meeting while driving at 70mph.
What’s wrong with being in a teams meeting? It’s just a phone call? I trust she was on hands free?
@@alirezazadeh Live video. I could see the other people on her phone as i passed. You are not allowed to have video of any kind playing in the UK while driving.
@@TheSaabClinicUK Hmm
I dont use my phone whilst driving ever, and it always gets me in trouble work wise - i suspect alot of people on their phone whilst driving is work related boss pressure so thats a message the media campaign could spread, bosses leave employees alone when they know their driving 😅
This is true
Funny enough, I know a couple of companies where it's a requirement to not use a phone while driving, including for hands free calls (assumedly the spirit isn't meant to include sat-nav use without interaction), and that if you become aware that someone is driving when you're calling them, you're to hang up immediately. Of course, how it goes in practice, I'll leave for others to comment on, will say though that if your company is such that your boss would be happy that you hung up on them because they were driving, you're pretty lucky(!)
It is an offence for a company to hold a phone conversation with an employee while they are driving the company I work for has a message system on microlise devices in the cab but still no good when driving
Glad this is a thing!
The amount of times I’ve seen people driving while on their phones, either going dangerously slow or all over the shop is ridiculous
NPC 😂
I agree. This is going to deter more people, but it won’t solve it. People’s will just put their phones down near the cameras 😢
They’re already in use for quite a while in the city of london they’re mounted on posts by traffic lights
Everyday feels like a new law the government pass that's turning us into robots putting more laws in place have stopped people from making decisions from their own will and a lot of people have lost a sense of their own moral compass, decisions shouldn't be made for us we should be using initiative and yes sometimes we need to learn the hard way which only pushes you to become a greater person
Rubbish
What about taxi and delivery driver. Because they got only few 5 seconds to accept a jobs.
I feel like this is going to become an invasion of privacy. I’m not for people using their phones whilst driving but I think this is too much.
No it’s not, you are one of those do-gooders.
I think it's too much when even pedestrians walk into you because of their spastic plastic phones, but because I've a body like a Hummer to their Mini I don't move out the way.
Ouch!
@@MAX-tw3qz Good. 😂🤣😂
Unfortinatly you don't have a expectation of privacy in a public place so they and anyone can take pictures of anything they want without permisson and it won't breach the human rights act , except in public toilets where you have an expectation of privacy and having a CCTV camera in a public or private buisiness toilet is breaching the human rights act 1998.
@@MAX-tw3qz best comment here man no one's talking about the spastic pedestrians
Does it take pictures into the car regardless of whether you're using a mobile or not. If so isn't there a risk of this being used for other reasons or snooping into cars???
Can this system differentiate people who are using sat navs/ those who have their phones on holders for navigation reasons?
Thanks for telling us how to not get caught 😊❤
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you say that, but people are so engrossed in their phones that they forget that anything else exists....
Easy. Deny you were driving. Still works even on speed cameras but you need to be adamant it wasn't your car and that you know where the car was that day. They automatically put it down to a stolen reg.
@@bigduphusaj162 Nowadays with ring cameras on certain houses they’ll clock that, used to work but idk anymore
@@bigduphusaj162 If you were driving why lie? It will catch up to you eventually and turn out worse than if you told the truth in the first place. Be honest in all things that's the best way to live
i would’ve thought the younger generation would be better at wearing seatbelts, but it pains me to see someone on their phone at the wheel, usually bc they’re hogging the middle lane and are swerving
Investing peoples money in nonsense, go do your job and find pedos and murders . But no that would be too hard for ya so you just focus on people selling weed and people using their phones
Never seen that and I drive 300 miles a week.
Most people I see on a mobile phone are driving slowly and in a very controlled way
Not true, Ievery person I see with a phone in hand is of any age, same for not wearing seatbelts (older people if anything) and hogging the middle lane is especially 40s+. Stop using the younger generations as a scapegoat, your theory was like 6 pages, no wonder all the dangerous oblivious drivers are older
@@seriousgameofficial i’m under 25 so don’t even try that one, and i was saying the seatbelt thing specifically in relation to young people because they’ve grown up with constant reinforcement of seatbelt seatbelt seatbelt. young people aren’t the biggest problem on the road, that’s definitely the older generation
@@mattjagger4360 sounds like you’re excusing the problem a bit. most accidents are at slow speeds so there’s a correlation there (granted not causation but hard to overlook)
What if you are sitting at a red traffic light and you change the song? The phone is on a dashboard mount and is basically the same as changing the radio station? I assume this is still an offence but don’t think it should be. Only if at a red light though.
Still an offence. You cannot use a phone if you're classed as driving ie waiting at a traffic light. And even if parked at the curb with your engine running.
@@hazyblue69 No, it's not an offence if the device is in a holder. If you caused an accident because you were too busy fiddling with the phone though, you could still be charged with not driving with due care and attention.
@@125brat: Correct, in fact the guidance is pretty clear: "You can use devices with hands-free access, as long as you do not hold them at any time during usage." Dashboard/windscreen holders/mounts count, but the device "...must not block your view of the road and traffic ahead", and you still "...must stay in full control of your vehicle at all times."
I went to a awareness course once and an the trainer who was a ex police officer said you can still get fined even for adjusting heating or radio. Sounds crazy right? He explained you have one hand of the steering and police can use this as their grounds to fine you. But they and us all know that would be petty
@@mrama405 With all these modern cars with touch-screen displays to control everything, I think it's going to end up causing a lot more problems and potentially offences.
Advice please, while driving to a local supermarket my free music app decided to play a video ad and a Police van right behind me. So I don't touch the phone to cancel and steering wheel button won't cancel. What is the offence here??? I explained to the officer whom did pull me over and fairly said if using that app put the phone out of visible view in future.
Can you please ask Owen if using my mobile through my entertainment system by Bluetooth, for example pressing a button on my steering wheel and asking by voice to call a certain person is legal.
Yes it is legal.
So where is the best place to mount my phone so it will be out of sight?
The glove box
Up your arse
Will the same apply for police officers using their phones while driving
No it will not.
Yes - the same law applies to MOBILE PHONES. Radios are different and are not covered in the same legislation.
Be very careful, the team in Australia gets it wrong too often because they dont check properly. I have personally seen fines with photos that have no phone in the picture at all instead it has mistaken the control panel on modern car steering wheel as a mobile phone .
Why do they send it to Australia? Why can't they have a team here ?
@@benjaminhughes4022 It's probably an Australian company supplying the cameras.
@@LewisDesigns ah right
@@benjaminhughes4022 read the pinned comment from the channel
@@RichO1701e don't need to someone has already explained if you read the comments 👍
Ridiculous. Just more and more creeping into our lives at every possible opportunity. Leave us alone ffs
I cannot even talk on handsfree without it affecting my driving. If caught, death by firing squad. I drive for a living and can spot a distracted driver a mile off. Some days I wish I had James Bond rockets in my front grill so I can rid the world of these problematic road users swiftly.
Curious what information is being sent to Australia and how that affects with regards to data privacy laws such as GDPR?
I was under the impression that it was ai? It makes no sense to send it to Australia? It’s obviously a private company… Hopefully we can buy it off this company and use our own forces
@@Euclidean3141 Thanks for the assumption that I don't prioritise road safety, I was more concerned about the HOW they've done this as opposed to the data actually being shared. I've since learned that the UK has a free trade agreement with Australia meaning data and information can flow freely. However a correct has been made stating that no data leaves the UK anyway.
That being said the UK doesn't have free trade agreements with all countries and data can't flow freely, exposure of our personal information and data can be as much of a safety concern as road safety and being aware of where information about you is stored should take priority too.
what about using phone dash mounted for navigation?
You still will be prosecuted for touching a phone used for satnav.
Double-standards as usuals. They allow car manufacturers to put basic stuff like the blower/aircon controls under menus on touchscreens so people have to constantly flick through them it's fine, but if a poor person wants to use a phone for satnav and touches it ones during driving gets 6 points.
no you won't, it is all about staying in control of car. even on test they get you to do a task so see if if your able to do it in a safe area and stay in control. and phone in a holder you can touch it to end call or Like hitting no thanks or continue for a way point or when stupid google tries to change your planned route as long as it in holder it is legal but there catch you must stay in control of car, able to stay in lane and do it in safe place because police could do you for careless / dangerous so do it in safe places, if it cannot be done without straying out lane then you should not attempt it@@user-Wojciech
@@stevekenilworth i had this opinion because of this copper, he spreads misinformation on RUclips "as soon as you touch a phone while driving, even in a cradle, you will be prosecuted". But BlackBeltBarrister has commented on this law a couple of months ago and said that if your phone is in a cradle then it stops being a handheld device and you can use it.
Spokesperson for the Police continuously misinterpreting the law. Shows how much they know.
When I am driving, I tend to use my phone as a satnav or I have music playing with my phone unlocked. Since it only uses infrared detection, will it make a detection of using the phone whilst driving or is there a differentiation?
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it is all about staying in control of car. even on test they get you to do a task so see if if your able to do it in a safe area and stay in control. and phone in a holder you can touch it to end call or Like hitting no thanks or continue for a way point or when stupid google tries to change your planned route as long as it in holder it is legal but there catch you must stay in control of car, able to stay in lane and do it in safe place because police could do you for careless / dangerous so do it in safe places, if it cannot be done without straying out lane then you should not attempt it
The police are the worst ones for using their phones at the wheel
I saw one of these vans in October 2023 on the A5 at the layby near Atherstone, warwickshire where the closed down copper kettle cafe is. Being a hgv driver, i personally dont touch my mobile as im driving as we can blue tooth link it to the truck, controls on the steering wheel as well so legal for the time being. The penalty for a hgv driver using a mobile is a fine, driving ban (approx 6-8 weeks) then an interview with the dvsa area traffic commissioner where the driver has to literally beg for the return of their hgv entitlement to drive, although the car part is automatically returned.
I simply fail completely to understand people not wearing a seat belt! I never notice it but it is literally life saving
mostly not always
Paul walker wore his seat belt when his car crashed his seat belt got stuck and he was burned alive, there’s many cases where a belt has also killed people.
@@Philljag I think an interesting study would be to look at the cases such as that to be able to prevent it from happening, things like seatbelt cutters could be inbuilt?
I lnow of someone who ended up be choked by there seatbelt, all depends on speed the way the car crashes etc
My mate was in a big crash he rolled a few times and wasn't wearing a seat belt, he had two broken ribs the doctors said he would of been worse if he had it on
3 days to attend a theft or robbery if you bother attending at all. Good to know you've got your priorities straight.
Im all fore catching people driving illegally..however being inside of your car is your private space...is this bot also invasion of your privacy?
Not really as the police are there to enforce the law to make sure everyone is safe and prevent a horrible collision
Go sit outside a police station and film the police and they have a hissy fit about it but are happy to do it to the public 😂😂
@@Philljag why would you want to spend your time doing that? 😂 some people need a hobby lol
@@adiyoung I don’t, I just find it funny the police cry when they’re filmed but are happy to film others 😂😂
Will this apply to the police who use mobiles whilst driving as well or is it only for the public? Also why does Austrlia have to have a check if it is a certain phone use while driving ofense and then send it to the UK. Can the UK not decide if its definately an ofender?
What about couriers drivers who using handheld scanners during the day which is looking like phone but it’s not actual mobile phone?
You have admire the way monetisation is disguised as road safety 🤫
It’s more about control and surveillance than money or road safety.
Anyone complaining about this has an obviously guilty conscience. It's pretty straightforward really. If you don't want to risk getting points and a fine, wear your seat belt and don't use your phone! Same with speed cameras. If you don't want the risk, don't speed. If you do something you know is illegal, you have to accept getting caught and punished as an occupational hazard. The end!
Not really the number of false detections by these vans is crazy look it up!
@@Philljag which is why each picture is examined by two teams before notice of intended prosecution is sent out
@@nathanaelwarden so why are they complaining that it’s clogging the court system up in Australia with false detections
even after they’ve been examined by people?
All you’d have to do is get chameleon window tint on your windscreen it won’t see through that 😂😂
That's really a different issue. That's manpower management at a base level, nothing to do with the actual van detection system itself.
@@nathanaelwarden how, if the van wasn’t making false detections in the first place? 😂
Shouldn’t it be on top of a marked vehicle? I know it has high vis but like other camera cars they’re clear an yellow or other but not just white
Speed camera vans don’t even have to be marked by law
@@Philljag and neither should they same as the roadside ones, if your speeding and get caugth tough sh!t
@@jadoon2981 that’s why I flip my plate up on my bike 😂😂
@@Philljag wish I had a button🥲
what theyre not saying is that the phone strobes IR light and can very easily be seen if being held or used by the flash pattern
All the new cars now have a big tablets with many options (like tesla) and people using it while driving and its ok to use that but when you have your phone on holder and touch it using navi for example that will be illegal?
No it’s only illegal to hold it in your hand!
Just because there's no laws that say you need a warning for this specific device apparently means that they can manipulate it that way to make money from catching you out. They're taking advantage of abstract laws.
Sent from my iPhone while driving.
How is this manipulative?
A lot of people don’t have CarPlay and have their phone on a mount instead. Will people be getting points for that?
Yes, if you touch any device it’s 6 points no excuses.. but you can touch the screen and do what ever on that, for sure!! Don’t make sense
It’s all a money scam
"You can use devices with hands-free access, as long as you do not hold them at any time during usage. Hands-free access means using, for example: (...) a dashboard holder or mat, a windscreen mount, a built-in sat nav."
If someone got points for that, I'd suggest taking the government's own advice above and fighting it (provided of course that they didn't instead take issue with lack of control).
Owen, Have you done or are you thinking of doing a tutorial on the use of mobile phones in vehicles. I find a lot of the questions I get asked as a trainer are around proper control of a vehicle, the definition of that part of the legislation and types of devises used eg sat nav, radios etc.
It would be brilliant if you could do a tutorial on the subject of devices used in a vehicle and the definition of proper control of a vehicle!
Thanks
Anjee
How does it work with classic cars that don’t have seatbelts fitted due to there age?
Gonna have CCTV installed in our cars soon, dash cams were just the beginning 👀 Freedom? What freedom? 😂
And speed restrictors🤣🤦🏻♂️
Cheers For The Info. Il hide it behind my dash a bit more from now on. Cheers 😎 🍻
And not before time, its a big responsibility driving a vehicle keeping yourself safe and respecting other road users. There's loads of tech out there to link phones to vehicles handsfree, however some people won't and can't leave there phones alone for 2 minutes and still use them while driving and have them stuck up in the A zone of their windscreens so they don't miss out on gossip on social media. So here we are.... use your phone, pay the price! 👏👏👏👏
i hope they have a good trial period cos i for one would like to see this implemented across the uk, especially up here in the north of england where i live as i see this so often especially when people are turning corners or onto/off main roads
Speed camera vans also do this!
Good it's needed to many people are driving fully distracted by smart phones
But if you call them while being assaulted it'll take them 3 hours to call back and ask if you still need them.
It’s been trailed in Warwickshire a few months back. How about they run with it. Tried and tested camera system, just get it rolled out across the country.
I was driving on a dual carriageway recently and saw a young woman who had both hands on her phone in front of the steering wheel. She was swerving left and right and it was completely obvious to any driver that she wasn’t paying attention. Very dangerous to have a car swerve from the edge of the road into the centre as often as she did and I only wish a police car was nearby because she had a total disregard for her safety and the drivers around her.
"Safety" cameras, still makes me laugh everytime I hear it 🤣
We encountered one of those today. Parked on an extremely wide bit of road with great visibility exiting a town where you could safely do double the speed limit they were there to enforce. They're the biggest joke to the real world since the politicians that thought they would be a good use of funding.
Really unbelievable.
Police should pay attention to real crime.
I use my phone for directions as multy drop driver I have it mounted on a magnetic stand as I need to see it to know where my next drop is this classed as offence. If so then there Will be a lot of couriers out of work.
What about two way radio communications as its not illigal to use when driving in UK so how would the camera work this out
Honestly majority of my experiences with bad drivers are always old people, I agree being glued to your phone while driving is bad but the way some of these pensioners drive is awful
Sending your picture and number plate to Australia: Is that legal?
I would imagine yes as you can legally record people's picture and number plate on RUclips and that gets send worldwide effectively. Providing you are on public land then even civilians can record what they like.
@@benrampling812 isnt that only done by private individuals - ie not covered by GDPR?
i think he corrected the statement about pics going to Oz , the pics remain in UK according to his text description
We actually made a mistake. It doesn’t send them to Aus. Refer to our pinned comment.
This has been out for a while. I got caught last year on the A23 (Sussex) not wearing my seatbelt by one......they're called "safety Cameras" !!!!
Thanks for the heads up I drive that road often.
@@SoggyCabbages Normally on the bridge next to Hicksted Services 👍
Can I ask a legitimate question?, I'm not trying to provoke anyone, I just want to know what makes you not want to wear a seat belt?
@@alexbrodie6149 nah I meant the speeding and CarPlay. I always wear a belt.
@@SoggyCabbages ahh ok, I more meant the original commenter, as they openly admitted to not wearing a seat belt, it baffles me that some people don't belt up, also young people's addiction to there device when driving, I'm 24 and I just connect the car play and chuck my phone in the centre console and forget about it
I have a question, we couriers or those who deliver cars and we need to call customers while driving if the phone is in sight why can't we do this Or if we have to find a gas station urgently,???
If a phone is mounted on the dash board and not in your hand. Surely touching the screen to accept a call or skip a track is exactly the same if not safer than navigating a complicated infotainment system? Please clarify this and explain if the above scenario is legal or not 👍
it is all about staying in control of car. even on test they get you to do a task so see if if your able to do it in a safe area and stay in control. and phone in a holder you can touch it to end call or Like hitting no thanks or continue for a way point or when stupid google tries to change your planned route as long as it in holder it is legal but there catch you must stay in control of car, able to stay in lane and do it in safe place because police could do you for careless / dangerous so do it in safe places, if it cannot be done without straying out lane then you should not attempt it
Fully in support of this, an argument can be made for speed cameras being a distraction and revenue generating tools, but people using phones when driving is a level of distraction that regularly affects the safety of me and other road users. It infuriates me people not paying attention to the road and driving dangerously for the sake of checking their social media.
In all honesty is anyone actually safe on the roads? A driver who has 2 hands on steering, in their speed limit, fully concentrating can hit you today! Tomorrow next week (I pray this don't happen ofcourse)
Every Phone connected to a SIM can be traced through GPS and Call History.
Buy Apple Phone as Apple has DEFEATED UK LAW on MURDER Evidence through Privacy law on Victim.
I'm all for this. Its really not hard to put down your phone while driving. I'll never understand why people insist on texting when they're driving. Tbf tho its usually a German car driver... I ride with my quad lock usually so I can see everything but have it off when I'm not looking at maps on the way
Why does it have to be sent to Australia lol
As a biker I appreciate these, i see people all the time on my side of the road because they are on their phone
Yeah, I'm a biker too and concur.
Can you not get that reflective tint that will stop the camera image showing inside?
Should be a team in the UK , keeping the jobs local
little china need to be in control some how
@@torquetheprisoner little China? As in Australia??
@@jacksonbanks910 yep indigeree do
Will this count on police vehicles also
LOL
As someone that is a part of the modified car community, I completely agree with this. People should not be on their phones while driving. I'm all for these cameras. At least this is actually doing something for road safety rather than handing out £200 fines for doing 32 in a 30.
is it forbidden to control the radio in the car? I change the music with my phone ...
My son has to use his phone to monitor his type 1 diabetes. This is done by touching a monitor on his arm with his mobile phone,although he is required to test his blood b4 driving which is ok on small journeys but if he is stuck in traffic he will need to test straight away if he feels unwell. I wonder how this would be dealt with by the police?
These are being used on the A9 in Scotland, the ANPR cameras were changed a few months ago and 4 IR cameras added
I can tell you conclusively that you are talking poops.
That's 100% incorrect. A few of the average speed cameras have been upgraded, but this isn't in use in Scotland as of yet. Fact.
Driving deserves the FULL ATTENTION of the person behind the wheel. Wear a seat belt. Have some discipline. Keep safe. It's as simple as that.
This Is amazing and if you are complaining you are part of the problem and clearly have never been hit or have someone you loved been killed by a distracted driver period
So when challenged in court your expert witness from Australia will be summoned to court. Thanks for the heads up on what constitutes being in the public interest. Let us know when you get a precedent setting case.
Check out the pinned comment, nothing goes to Australia 👍🏻
What if it starts to accuse innocent people like doing a gear shift at that exact time mistaking that for a phone could be bad for drivers. Also i want to know if under glow "LED's under the car" is legal here in the uk google says its okay to have it as long as its not distracting as long as they don't put out red or blue light and as long as they don't flash is this correct ?