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You are misinterpreting Magnezone's Pokedex entry: what it actually is trying to say is that scientists tried to make Magneton evolve into a Magnezone using laboratory means but failed, meaning that they are aware Magnezone exists but have not pinpointed the reason why. I know it's an awkward word syntax in that entry, but it would be consistent with other entries of earlier Pokedex enties
imagine Magicarp as this games psudo-legendary. gaining the 2nd dragon typing from the start it get's a trird evolution like zigzagoon got. I'm thinking a hydra with several heads but that might not bee weeb enough for this game.
There's _technically_ no written rule that an evolution line can't have more than three members; that's only what we've observed thus far. That being said, the potential for a Magnezone evolution or even the revival of Gorochu is still there, even if chances are low.
@@RGC_animation I mean you never know. They might just randomly decide to add an extra one to spice things up. Not to say it's going to happen. But it definitely isn't completely impossible I suppose.
I think it would be cool if they added a rare chance that when you get your Pokemon to lv. 100, it can evolve into a fourth evolution. Or if they used specific items to get fourth evolutions, it could add more post-game content!
I don't think that's the same thing. They had multi colored magikarps along with other pokemon in multiple colors for years , idk if you ever played pokemon stadium, but if you have, you'll get the reference.
If the evolution would've kept the bug rock typing it would've given shuckle the one buff it needs. It's HP stat. That alone would be massive. I love using shuckle and trolling legendary teams with it on Showdown. Imagine contrary shell smash on that Pokemon. Do tell me if such a varient of shuckle exists in a rom hack or fan game.
"My Raichu evolved" is the result of changing a trade of the original Japanese Blue for the Raichu trade. Originally, it was a trade between a Kadabra and a Graveler, which caused both to evolve. But changing it to the Raichu and electrode from red and green (now red and blue) without changing the texts, caused that funny quote.
That would be a fun concept. Instead of regional variants of the Pokémon they could introduce ancient variants of Pokémon via different fossils or some other mechanic.
I personally think that the second prototype pre evolution of Giraffarig is definitely worth bringing back as a regional variant. As for the concept of a fourth evolution stage for Pokemon, I really want it to be kept in a small roster so that they stand out more and feel super rare, especially in how you receive the really powerful ones! I know that Mega Evolution kinda does that, but the way their portrayed makes them feel like alternate forms opposed to an cold actual evolution. In any case, I just want Gorochu to be achieved. Just make it something you have to really work for. Like a really high level with a very specific move or something.
There doesn't appear to have been a second "Box Legendary" for the GS Beta. Ho-oh is featured on the title screen of both games' betas. But The Unown being next to that other Legendary actually makes me think about the 3rd Movie. Possibly a beta Entei? Or the earliest version of Arceus?
Ho-oh being used for both betas was probably a due last minute changes, if they didn't habe sprites for lugia its that or showcase a defunct Pokemon. They designed a Shishi to go along with Ho-oh being a fenguang, so it clearly was meant to be the box legendary and probably the original star of Spell of the Unknown at some point. Funny thing is that means they were dead set on a lion dog being Mollie's protector the entire time, so lugia's creation ultimately influenced not just one but two movies along with Entei's design.
@RobbEJay Lugia was created for the movie and only programmed in once the Pokemon's popularity was apparent. There are some really good videos on the matter. The Space World 97 demos predate the 1999 release of the movie and games by about 2 years. Keep in mind that they only had one key Legendary Pokemon in Kanto, Mewtwo. Also around this point the anime had just revealed Ho-oh for the first time, teasing the future of the franchise in the first episode. Either way, Box Legendaries weren't a thing in '97. What they were thinking back then is unknown to most, and we're still in the dark. Could the Pokemon be a Mythical? If Entei's origin in the movie was meant for this Pokemon, I would believe that's the original intention. However, I certainly believe more work needs to be done so we can learn for sure.
I personally would think the dogs were made as a result of scrapping the original silvery dog legendary. There could have even been plans to bring the silvery dog back in by catching the 3 legendary dogs kind of like an earlier version of the swords of justice. I get what you're saying about Ho-Oh especially as they made a point of telling the anime to add it in so early long before fans would have known what it was but I personally think the title screens was just a beta build thing and was always intended to be changed.
@@DeathByKappa Quite true. But I feel it's worth noting that with the recent revelation that the early anime was guided by a published PokeDex book, the placement of Unown between Ho-oh and the other Pokemon feels deliberate. If it and Ho-oh were intended to be interchangeable between versions, than they would group them together in a similar way to fossils, the Legendary Birds and Legendary Beasts. Instead, I feel it likely the silver Legendary was unlocked by finding all 26(at the time) Unown. Collecting the Unown always seemed anticlimactic. I honestly believe it was meant to be encountered after catching all 26, regardless of version.
We already have the beta designs for the legendary dogs, and beta Arceus back in gen 2 is extremely farfetched. Considering it's next to Unknown in the beta dex, it's possible it was supposed to replace Entei in the third pokemon movie.
The thing about the Gen 2 games that I think doesn't get mentioned too often and can explain why there are A) numerous cut Pokemon, and B) Less new Pokemon in general is the issue with memory. Around the time of Mr. Iwata's passing it became public knowledge that the gen 2 games were saved because he was able to compress the game data to clear the maximum allowed limit. It would make sense that this is why a lot of content was cut, in order to help Iwata as much as possible to meet the limit.
You're assuming there was going to be a legendary on the cover of Silver. Gen 2 was the first to have cover legends. They could have originally planned on putting the starters on the box again with ho-oh being a hidden legendary like mewtwo.
this is a good point. We don't really have any reason to think the story in GS originally had Lugia in it at all. the box art may have been a last-minute change from using the starters on the cover.
too bad they wont do something cool like ancient forms if they did i think itd be cool if they redesigned some of the beta designs into those forms too
I feel like slowly we'll be seeing most of those Pokémon in their revised forms. It has been so long and we are well on our way to 1000 Pokémon (which is crazy!) and with the rise of the Internet and people sharing all of this knowledge, I'm pretty sure we'll be seing references or revisions of these creature some time in the future! Awesome video Hoops!
I wonder if Nintendo will ever have the balls to make the connection between Kangaskhan and the Cubone being part of the same evolution family. It was hinted at in the pokedex entries but Nintendo has never had the balls to go through with it.
Egg and chick sound like they go with the rank titles, egg being the starting title (absolute beginning noob) chick being just going into the world and catching pokemon, etc.
Or just a single type water since it is a fish? Because it is stronger does not mean it's type would change. The "newer" Magikarp would still have the dual typing even if it evolved. Unless it is a regional thing.
The "failure" resulting from forced evolution attempts on Magnezone could be the cause of Meltan? Much like the "Mew clone experiments created Ditto" theory
If the two ghosts, evolved into girafferig, then evolved into that other leaked version when the other half is whole like catdog that's normal/ghost would of been one of the most unique Pokémon ever made and I definitely would of used it, instead of just catching girafferig and never ever, ever using it even one time
I imagine it like this. A normal type Giraffe pokemon egg was actually a pair of twins. One was more developed and absorbed the dying sibling trying its very best to survive, it got to see one glimpse of sun before tragically dying. Its soul, still conjoined with the other sibling desperately clung to life and emerged as a ghost type pokemon. It the goes on to possess a baby unknown Giraffe pokemon, but cannot completely do so with the other half of its soul so it mutates. The evolved form is a final culmination of the possession. Much like a parasect the host body has died out. It's eyes are milky white and the remnant of the the underdeveloped twin looks like a popped balloon on the tail. Its jaw is dislodged and you can see the ghostly spirit of the developed twin in agony where the tongue uses to be.
2:18 Could people _stop_ saying that Legends Arceus is set "in the distant past" because being set during Sinnoh being settled in, the existence of tiled roofs and the fact that it's not in isolation doesn't quite allow so much past...
Exactly what I was thinking. Legends Arceus looks like it might take place a couple hundred years ago at *most*. But people keep acting as though every mention of the past took place all at once. The past is a vague and lengthy time period, and ancient history is more towards a thousand years ago at least, not a couple hundred years ago. This is the more recent past, not ancient history.
The romhack "Pokémon Adventures: Red Chapter" has tons of betamon, fakemon, fusions, and more in it. The creator even made primal versions of the other legendaries along with Pokedex entries.
Theory: could there be Pokemon that have actually devolved? Like if Magikarp used to be stronger and it's evolution is already strong, does that mean that some Pokemon could have also had this reverse effect that then evolve into their stronger counter parts? It's a stretch but that would be an interesting thing to ponder
4:12 I used to assume that Shuckle evolved into Torkoal. They are both turtle Pokémon, and their names end with a "cull" sound. I saw them both in the anime first, and thought they were connected. It turns out though, that neither of them evolve. It's my own head canon that these are Pokémon are closely related.
The pic at timestamp 11:51 could be a mock up done by an Pokémon fan artist for the purpose of this video. I know Hoops has had those done for other videos in the past.
@@BlackMaleLion Right, no, I understand that. It's just that particular mock up looked a lot like a fusion-mon. Not saying that's a bad thing, just a random comment. :)
It's pretty obvious the "Egg" and "Chick" text strings, when viewed in conjunction with the other titles appearing just after them, are part of a ranking system. Possibly early ideas for something like the Battle Tower which didn't make it into Gold and Silver.
My theory for egg and chick: Expanding on yours that it’s a gen 1 version of showing that Pokémon come from eggs, I think it’s Togepi and togetic. Or the egg itself and togepi is the chick. Togepi was introduced in the gen 1 anime to show the same concept and then went on to be a gen 2 Pokémon introducing the egg mechanic to the games. I believe you are correct that egg and chick were gen ones concept of breeding, but that they weren’t lost Pokémon, they just got reworked into the gen 2 games.
I’d love it if the original form of Magikarp was a single stage Water/Dragon type Pokémon. Like a reverse of Corsola. If there had to be an evolution, I’d want it to be a dragon/flying type.
This explains why the Legendary dogs are related to Ho-Oh. That silver dog was intended for the main legendary for Silver and then turned into Entei, Suicuine and Raikou when Lugia became a thing.
3:01 Egg and Chick was togepi evolution before gen2. Egg was togepi in the egg and chick was togetic which was a reference to chick hatching from a egg.
Entei, Raikou and Suicune seem to possess characteristics of that supposedly original Silver Version Legendary. Like Entei kind of has the face and body build, Suicune kind of has the fur with it's mane or head and back fur along with it's ribbon like tail or ribbon like, tail like fur, while Raikou has the speed it seemingly would have.
That silver lion-dog one does seem like it could have been the original Silver legendary. Fits more with the towers than Lugia does as lion-dogs protect temples and such.
@@marhawkman303 Yeah. It's because Lugia was created as an anime exclusive. Kind of wish that they had kept the silver dog and just made Lugia a mythical.
I think the pkmn b4 lugia got into the picture could be that lion thing. either ho oh was supposed to be the bird trio leader or the team wanted to be creative/funny and wanted the lion one for the birds and ho oh for the beasts . a switchero if ya so will
7:04 I think that the original legendary Pokémon could’ve been something more akin to a Chinese/Japanese Dragon. The reason for this is bc the Ho-Oh is mainly based on the Fenghuang, a legendary Chinese bird sometimes called the “Chinese Phoenix” and the Fenghuang is often paired with the Chinese Dragon
if we were to go by real-world biology, the "stronger" Magikarp would've probably just been a Relicanth or a similar ancestor. Relicanth have existed for 100 million years (100 myr), so it is likely that a few individuals eventually migrated out of deeper waters causing them to adapt to new niches and evolve into many of the fish Pokemon we know today, including our boy Magikarp. Hope this was helpful.
Modern Magikarp could be a result of fish farming. We know from real life that farming fish does change the fish quite a lot. Salmon for example get some of the bright pink colour as a result of the farming methods. Natural salmon are greyish in colour. We know Magikarp is eating widely in the Pokemon world. It could be a case of these farm Magikarp escaping into the wild and breeding exponentially.
@@susear5939 good observation, Magikarp could definitely be farmed for consumption. However, the pigmentation of salmon isn't due to an evolutionary process, it has to do with feeding habits. If the Magikarp are already quite a brilliant orange in the wild, farmed Magikarp would likely be even more brilliant or would change their colour entirely (perhaps a theory on shiny variants?) due to whatever carotenoid their food source consists of.
If they make more legend games it's possible they might make extint varients to currently existing pokemond or new pokemon that have become extinct in the presemt of the pokemon world
Can't believe you didn't mention the most interesting thing about the first girafarig pre-evo: It's wobbuffet. Aside from it having the same name, they (kinda) kept the design in wobbuffet's tail.
"egg and chick" sounds like Togapi. That would explain why a gen 2 pokemon appeared in the anime so early. Like Donphan and Ho-oh the concept was always there.
@@mediumChungus69 the games weren't made on the day they were released lol. Production of second gen games began in 97. Ken Sugimori worked on both the game designs and anime. Ho-oh in the 1st episode was a Easter egg for the release of the 2nd gen games.
Wow never knew magikarp had that much power, and shuckle having an evolution would be very cool to see, and for crying out loud gamefreak pls out the beta pokemon as actual pokemon In the game and anime
I'm annoyed you mentioned Magikarp having a different form from the Pokedex, and Magnezone's entry in the Pokedex, and COMPLETELY skipped over Corphish - who has over half its Pokedex entries stating that its a foreign Pokemon imported to be a pet, escaped, and adapted to its environment.
I buy that lion being the box legend because it looks like a Pokemon that would be connected to the 3 dogs and it would make sense if originally Ho-Oh was connected to Articuno, Moltres and Zapdos
I assumed that Magnezone's pokedex entries were talking about they couldn't figure out how to force Magneton to evolve into Magnezone. Referencing how magnezone need(ed) to be in certain locations to evolve
I think egg and chick might have been an early consent for togepi and togetic. After all, misty had a togepi in the anime when it was set in Kanto so I don’t think it’s too far a stretch 😅
Gold and Silver were meant to be a single game, they were split towards the end of development. So, Ho-oh was the only legendary because it was the only one needed.
I really hope the legends game does well. And that they don't just do one time thing with Sinnoh. I may be asking for too much but if they did an anime series for this it would be awesome.
I ADORE the gold and silver box legendaries, and ‘Pokemon: The Power Of One’ is, has been since it came out when I was a little girl, and always WILL be my FAVORITE Pokémon movie (great animation, great music, great story, timeless message. The modern day rip off ‘Pokemon: The Power of Us’ was quite good too, VERY good actually, just not quite AS good.). However, I’m willing to admit I like the looks of that Pokemon that is rumored to be the original silver box legendary.
I agree with everything you said... I hope Netflix does an updated animated version of it like they did with the first one or put it on the list to be watched eventually...
@@drd2005channel actually…i wasn’t too big of a fan of the revamp of the original movie. It just WASN’T THE SAME. the original trilogy of pokemon movies are MASTERPIECES, and i don’t think the need a revamp I’m just a sentimental gen 1er tho. 😝 lol
Egg & Chick; by the looks of their placement, to me it seems like the two weren't Pokemon at all but actually items. Previous in the Pokemon games, there is established fact that Pokemon and regular animals exist simultaneously. These two were probably scrapped because they didn't fit into a quest mechanic Gamefreak probably wanted to do. Why would the player even carry around an egg or a chick in the firstplace? Pre-Lugia; Considering both the design of the sprite @7:48 and the fact that Ho-oh is a "real" myth we can infer 2 things. First that the sprite itself is for a tiger and second that it would have been an flying/metal/Ice type legendary. Why can we infer these things? Because Ho-oh is a Hou-ou, an Asian phoenix. In Feng Shu the Phoenix is Suzaku the vermillion bird representing cardinal direction South and the element of fire. Fallowing the same logic the sprite would be inspired by Byakko the white tiger representing the cardinal direction of West and the elements of wind and metal(Though in popculture Byakko is associated with Ice as well). Magnezone; If the from the Pokedex entry we can infer that an evolution *might* exist but was failed to be achieved, we can look at another example of how a 4th sage evolution was accomplished: Mega evolutions. Magnezone might have an inferred mega evolution.
Yanmega is honestly one of my favourite Pokemon. I get so hyped everytime someone mentions it lol. Nuzlockes really makes you feel attached man. Yanmega and Forretress have become my two favourite mons lol
The lion-dog was supposed to be the original silver artwork. It is the 2nd attempt at a lion-dog legendary, after the original concept being used for Arcanine, which was turned into a normal pokemon upon realizing how cute a smaller version of it would be (Growlithe) we finally got out lion-dog though so its ok
7:29 I would say the silver legendary might have been archanine since the sprite matches. Maybe introduction of lugia caused making archanine to be a pseudo legendary which clear the doubt of presents of archanine with legendary birds.
i think egg and chick were intended to be part of a ranking system along with everything else onward, so like a newbie would be egg and then as they'd get better they'd become chick, bronze, silver, etc.
I always figured the older more powerful magicarp were stronger defensively. In order to deter possible predators that wouldn’t be able to or want to use the effort to consume it. It also has the ability swift swim which it could have evolved along with the magicarp as their predators died off they didn’t need a thick hide and would shed their thick hide for more speed.
a cool thing they could do with girafarig, especially with scarlet and violet comin soon, is something SIMILAR to maybe umbreon and espeon or wurmple, a PV can give it one of two evos. One has the "tail" as the main head, in a sense of corruption. The other could maintain this normal girafarig, but maybe the tail gets smaller
Egg and Chick might have been a reference to Earthbound - in that game and Mother 3 you can pick up an item called Fresh Egg which will eventually hatch in your inventory into a Chick, then grow into a Chicken. the game doesn't actually tell you this has happened and the only indication is an intermittent beeping which is the chicken clucking
so now im gonna make a fin fossil that after reviveing turns into ansester of magikarp and feebas and you can use an special machine to evolve it into feebas or magikarp and his evolution to gyrados or milotic So its gonna look like mix bettwen those pokemon but with some rocks added
Wow, this video was fascinating! The reason why so many pokemon were cut from Gen 2 is very simple, the game could only hold up to 255 different Pokemon, and it already was using 253 out of 255 slots since it counted Eggs and missigno as their own entry. It literally only had space for 2 more entries, or maybe 3 if you removed missigno. So GF decided to cut evolutions (Piloswine's evo) or leave Pokes without evolutions (Yanma, Shuckle, etc) so they could fit in more new Pokemon. Hopefully we see more of those cut concepts someday, like what happened with Generation 4!
Yeah, Gen1 and Gen 2 were very limited in what they could do. Gen 1 nearly became vapor ware because of how hard it was to compact the code enough to force it to fit into the cart used. which led to some of the most famous video game bugs of all time.
It would makes sense for that silver lion pokemon to be the original box legend because A. it’s silver and B. Ho-oh is a bird but is the trio master of the legendary beasts, which means the silver lion would have been the trio master of the legendary birds. It might be possible that Ho-oh was meant to be trio master for the legendary birds but was swapped for some reason
Ho-oh was in Blue and Red, you see it flying in the binoculars on the second floor of those guard posts... not After Blue and Red.. plus Ash Saw Ho-oH episode one.... much earlier than you mentioned.
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You are misinterpreting Magnezone's Pokedex entry: what it actually is trying to say is that scientists tried to make Magneton evolve into a Magnezone using laboratory means but failed, meaning that they are aware Magnezone exists but have not pinpointed the reason why. I know it's an awkward word syntax in that entry, but it would be consistent with other entries of earlier Pokedex enties
imagine Magicarp as this games psudo-legendary. gaining the 2nd dragon typing from the start it get's a trird evolution like zigzagoon got. I'm thinking a hydra with several heads but that might not bee weeb enough for this game.
Whose concept art are you using in this video?
I feel like strong Magikarp, would of been a great addition to Legends Arceus
Should have made the shiny different from the one normally
Hey look, Joey, a magikarp! Did you know they can jump over mountains?!
Arceus Magikarp: Promptly tosses YOU over the mountain.
Still hoping we get some DLC that adds this
I know this was a while ago, but I hope we'll get something like this in Scarlet Violet
There's _technically_ no written rule that an evolution line can't have more than three members; that's only what we've observed thus far. That being said, the potential for a Magnezone evolution or even the revival of Gorochu is still there, even if chances are low.
It's so consistent at this point that it has became a rule.
@@RGC_animation I mean you never know. They might just randomly decide to add an extra one to spice things up. Not to say it's going to happen. But it definitely isn't completely impossible I suppose.
@@CarlytheWolf23 If they do, they'll probably add some kind of gimmics to it like Mega Evolution and Gigantamax.
I think it would be cool if they added a rare chance that when you get your Pokemon to lv. 100, it can evolve into a fourth evolution. Or if they used specific items to get fourth evolutions, it could add more post-game content!
@@GiantMushrooms One is an improvement, the other is just a change.
There are the other colors of magikarp from the mobile game Magikarp Jump that i dont see people talk about, but they aren't exactly "secret"
I don't think that's the same thing. They had multi colored magikarps along with other pokemon in multiple colors for years , idk if you ever played pokemon stadium, but if you have, you'll get the reference.
What the hell is your pfp? That thing is nightmare fuel
@@sup_my_bwana it looks like a spore creature lmao
what would those different colored magikarp look like if they decided to evolve
@@mrdeathclaw9929 they would look like gyrados
Well in Magikarp jump theres different Magikarp patterns it would be cool to see those appear in the game
Same as pokemon stadium, roughly 20 years ago
Magikarp was the most exciting Pokémon to level for me early in the game,gyradose is so good
Imagine those designs on a Gyarados
@@c0n22 imagine pokemon besides gyrados like completely new beasts. Same as feebas
pokemon polished crystal has them!
I remember seeing Ho-Oh in the first Episode of Pokémon and then never heard of until gold and silver lol.
more like you have seen some bird pokemon in the first episode which was then mentioned later in the anime/game as a legendary pokemon from gen2
When you realize that by scrapping Shuckle's evolution, GF was actually scrapping eviolite Shuckle...
If the evolution would've kept the bug rock typing it would've given shuckle the one buff it needs. It's HP stat. That alone would be massive. I love using shuckle and trolling legendary teams with it on Showdown. Imagine contrary shell smash on that Pokemon.
Do tell me if such a varient of shuckle exists in a rom hack or fan game.
It was for the best lol
oh dear god
@@Jynx9921 No kidding imagine a mon with 1228 as a defensive stat before modifiers.
@@paulolsen2197 Yeah, such a shuckle with a +6 maxed defensive stat would carry 9824 as its stat value
...if Pokemon Legend Arceus did have ancestors forms, I would love to see them
Same here and I wonder if there's an early Gyarados form as well
Ancestors for the fossil pokemon as well
Maybe even the original dragon and genesect
Well, we got something similar
Yeah, so about those ancestral forms...~
surprised no one pointed this out yet, but that beta “Mamoswine” cry is actually just Magcargo
Imagine this little Old Magikarp evolving Into a stronger version of Gyarados.
Primal Gyarados
a calm, more powerful Dragon Type Gyarados
Strictly speaking it fits that Gyarados hasn't changed much but it's a cool Pokémon so it's fun to see more done with it
But at level 100, since a strong magikarp’s true potential will be much higher than a weak magikarp which reaches it at level 20
@@M_Alexander okmkmmj no n ok
magnezone evolution is another "my raichu evolved" situation
That evolution looked like a Claydol and Magneton Pokéfusion
"My Raichu evolved" is the result of changing a trade of the original Japanese Blue for the Raichu trade. Originally, it was a trade between a Kadabra and a Graveler, which caused both to evolve. But changing it to the Raichu and electrode from red and green (now red and blue) without changing the texts, caused that funny quote.
So another region could a fossil Magikarp to revive or find in the wild or gift?
I'd like to see the evolution and if it's Gyarados or not.
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That would be a fun concept. Instead of regional variants of the Pokémon they could introduce ancient variants of Pokémon via different fossils or some other mechanic.
Also, see fossil pokemon pre-extinct forms like what they look like before they got fossilised, also give them pre-evolution as well
I personally think that the second prototype pre evolution of Giraffarig is definitely worth bringing back as a regional variant.
As for the concept of a fourth evolution stage for Pokemon, I really want it to be kept in a small roster so that they stand out more and feel super rare, especially in how you receive the really powerful ones!
I know that Mega Evolution kinda does that, but the way their portrayed makes them feel like alternate forms opposed to an cold actual evolution.
In any case, I just want Gorochu to be achieved.
Just make it something you have to really work for.
Like a really high level with a very specific move or something.
There doesn't appear to have been a second "Box Legendary" for the GS Beta. Ho-oh is featured on the title screen of both games' betas.
But The Unown being next to that other Legendary actually makes me think about the 3rd Movie. Possibly a beta Entei? Or the earliest version of Arceus?
Ho-oh being used for both betas was probably a due last minute changes, if they didn't habe sprites for lugia its that or showcase a defunct Pokemon.
They designed a Shishi to go along with Ho-oh being a fenguang, so it clearly was meant to be the box legendary and probably the original star of Spell of the Unknown at some point.
Funny thing is that means they were dead set on a lion dog being Mollie's protector the entire time, so lugia's creation ultimately influenced not just one but two movies along with Entei's design.
@RobbEJay Lugia was created for the movie and only programmed in once the Pokemon's popularity was apparent. There are some really good videos on the matter. The Space World 97 demos predate the 1999 release of the movie and games by about 2 years.
Keep in mind that they only had one key Legendary Pokemon in Kanto, Mewtwo. Also around this point the anime had just revealed Ho-oh for the first time, teasing the future of the franchise in the first episode. Either way, Box Legendaries weren't a thing in '97. What they were thinking back then is unknown to most, and we're still in the dark.
Could the Pokemon be a Mythical? If Entei's origin in the movie was meant for this Pokemon, I would believe that's the original intention. However, I certainly believe more work needs to be done so we can learn for sure.
I personally would think the dogs were made as a result of scrapping the original silvery dog legendary. There could have even been plans to bring the silvery dog back in by catching the 3 legendary dogs kind of like an earlier version of the swords of justice. I get what you're saying about Ho-Oh especially as they made a point of telling the anime to add it in so early long before fans would have known what it was but I personally think the title screens was just a beta build thing and was always intended to be changed.
@@DeathByKappa Quite true. But I feel it's worth noting that with the recent revelation that the early anime was guided by a published PokeDex book, the placement of Unown between Ho-oh and the other Pokemon feels deliberate. If it and Ho-oh were intended to be interchangeable between versions, than they would group them together in a similar way to fossils, the Legendary Birds and Legendary Beasts. Instead, I feel it likely the silver Legendary was unlocked by finding all 26(at the time) Unown. Collecting the Unown always seemed anticlimactic. I honestly believe it was meant to be encountered after catching all 26, regardless of version.
We already have the beta designs for the legendary dogs, and beta Arceus back in gen 2 is extremely farfetched.
Considering it's next to Unknown in the beta dex, it's possible it was supposed to replace Entei in the third pokemon movie.
"and an evo for girafarig" Welp, we got one now!!
The thing about the Gen 2 games that I think doesn't get mentioned too often and can explain why there are A) numerous cut Pokemon, and B) Less new Pokemon in general is the issue with memory. Around the time of Mr. Iwata's passing it became public knowledge that the gen 2 games were saved because he was able to compress the game data to clear the maximum allowed limit. It would make sense that this is why a lot of content was cut, in order to help Iwata as much as possible to meet the limit.
The "Egg and Chick" thing seems like possibly an early concept for Togepi and its evolutions as well as the eggs from breeding in gen 2
You're assuming there was going to be a legendary on the cover of Silver. Gen 2 was the first to have cover legends. They could have originally planned on putting the starters on the box again with ho-oh being a hidden legendary like mewtwo.
this is a good point. We don't really have any reason to think the story in GS originally had Lugia in it at all. the box art may have been a last-minute change from using the starters on the cover.
I wanna see that majikarp in legend arceus
Primal magikarp lol
Imagine this thing had moves like bite, agility, bubble beam, water gun, rock throw, rock slide, dig, amnesia
@Rhys its spelled magikarp but yeah i do to
too bad they wont do something cool like ancient forms
if they did i think itd be cool if they redesigned some of the beta designs into those forms too
@@bidoof367 good idea
I feel like slowly we'll be seeing most of those Pokémon in their revised forms. It has been so long and we are well on our way to 1000 Pokémon (which is crazy!) and with the rise of the Internet and people sharing all of this knowledge, I'm pretty sure we'll be seing references or revisions of these creature some time in the future!
Awesome video Hoops!
I wonder if Nintendo will ever have the balls to make the connection between Kangaskhan and the Cubone being part of the same evolution family. It was hinted at in the pokedex entries but Nintendo has never had the balls to go through with it.
I love to see Kangaskhan pre-evolution and have it tied to Cubans line, that would be cool tbh
@@bradwhite5884 well Cubone wears the skull of it's dead mother. Kangaskhan
Nintendo has said themselves that they aren't connected
@@OtakuDeju prove it
It'd be a downgrade going from Ground type to Normal Type.
As someone who loves Pokémon for the culture and inspiration behind each one, I would love to see all of these.
Sadly, eviolite makes it impossible for Shuckle to evolve.
@@toumabyakuya At first I thought you meant everstones, but then I realized what you meant by it.
Egg and chick sound like they go with the rank titles, egg being the starting title (absolute beginning noob) chick being just going into the world and catching pokemon, etc.
Or a rank for Pokémon, egg being level 1-10 and chick being 11-30
How about a psychic/fairy type Magikarp, then it would truly be a *magic carp.*
not another psychic fairy please
Psychic Fairy is too wide spread, water fairy or even dark fairy would be more interesting
Or just a single type water since it is a fish?
Because it is stronger does not mean it's type would change. The "newer" Magikarp would still have the dual typing even if it evolved. Unless it is a regional thing.
@@rule34artist33 it would definitely be water but i can see it having a second type, maybe like water/steel because steel is a strong type
@@ShinyCramorant Steel would make sense because of Magikarp's strong scales
I want that Pokedex book so bad sigh. It's like $300-400 though.
The "failure" resulting from forced evolution attempts on Magnezone could be the cause of Meltan? Much like the "Mew clone experiments created Ditto" theory
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If the two ghosts, evolved into girafferig, then evolved into that other leaked version when the other half is whole like catdog that's normal/ghost would of been one of the most unique Pokémon ever made and I definitely would of used it, instead of just catching girafferig and never ever, ever using it even one time
I imagine it like this. A normal type Giraffe pokemon egg was actually a pair of twins. One was more developed and absorbed the dying sibling trying its very best to survive, it got to see one glimpse of sun before tragically dying. Its soul, still conjoined with the other sibling desperately clung to life and emerged as a ghost type pokemon. It the goes on to possess a baby unknown Giraffe pokemon, but cannot completely do so with the other half of its soul so it mutates.
The evolved form is a final culmination of the possession. Much like a parasect the host body has died out. It's eyes are milky white and the remnant of the the underdeveloped twin looks like a popped balloon on the tail. Its jaw is dislodged and you can see the ghostly spirit of the developed twin in agony where the tongue uses to be.
Gamefreak missed the opportunity to add a strong Hisuian Magikarp to Legends Arceus.
2:18 Could people _stop_ saying that Legends Arceus is set "in the distant past" because being set during Sinnoh being settled in, the existence of tiled roofs and the fact that it's not in isolation doesn't quite allow so much past...
Exactly what I was thinking. Legends Arceus looks like it might take place a couple hundred years ago at *most*. But people keep acting as though every mention of the past took place all at once. The past is a vague and lengthy time period, and ancient history is more towards a thousand years ago at least, not a couple hundred years ago. This is the more recent past, not ancient history.
Luckily, Gnoggin does cover it in a video, deducing that LA must take place in what would be the late 1800s for us.
@@amesstarline5482 unluckily he hasnt killed himself like he promised years ago
The romhack "Pokémon Adventures: Red Chapter" has tons of betamon, fakemon, fusions, and more in it. The creator even made primal versions of the other legendaries along with Pokedex entries.
Egg and Chick sure sound a lot like Togepi and Togetic, whose name was technically mistranslated as it should've been Togechick
That's exactly what I thought
Hoops: "Ghost and Normal still hasn't been used yet"
Hisuin Zorua/Zoroark: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Theory: could there be Pokemon that have actually devolved? Like if Magikarp used to be stronger and it's evolution is already strong, does that mean that some Pokemon could have also had this reverse effect that then evolve into their stronger counter parts? It's a stretch but that would be an interesting thing to ponder
There is a devolution drink in the TCG, so that's something.
If we get another Legends game, I’d love to see an ancient Magikarp that just doesn’t evolve lmao
4:12 I used to assume that Shuckle evolved into Torkoal. They are both turtle Pokémon, and their names end with a "cull" sound. I saw them both in the anime first, and thought they were connected. It turns out though, that neither of them evolve. It's my own head canon that these are Pokémon are closely related.
So does this stronger Magikarp have a weaker Gyarados form? That would be weird
Imagine trading the weaker Gyarados to that guy in XY who requests that you trade your Gyarados for his Magikarp.
That Magnezone "evolution" looked more like a fusion of Magnezone and Claydol.
The pic at timestamp 11:51 could be a mock up done by an Pokémon fan artist for the purpose of this video. I know Hoops has had those done for other videos in the past.
@@BlackMaleLion Right, no, I understand that. It's just that particular mock up looked a lot like a fusion-mon. Not saying that's a bad thing, just a random comment. :)
I think egg and chick could be related to Togepi
It's pretty obvious the "Egg" and "Chick" text strings, when viewed in conjunction with the other titles appearing just after them, are part of a ranking system. Possibly early ideas for something like the Battle Tower which didn't make it into Gold and Silver.
My theory for egg and chick:
Expanding on yours that it’s a gen 1 version of showing that Pokémon come from eggs, I think it’s Togepi and togetic. Or the egg itself and togepi is the chick. Togepi was introduced in the gen 1 anime to show the same concept and then went on to be a gen 2 Pokémon introducing the egg mechanic to the games.
I believe you are correct that egg and chick were gen ones concept of breeding, but that they weren’t lost Pokémon, they just got reworked into the gen 2 games.
given that it's next to trainer titles... I'm going with Egg and Chick being unused trainer titles.
I’d love it if the original form of Magikarp was a single stage Water/Dragon type Pokémon. Like a reverse of Corsola. If there had to be an evolution, I’d want it to be a dragon/flying type.
9:37 I feel like the evolution level wasn't intended to be level 10, and that was likely a placeholder
This explains why the Legendary dogs are related to Ho-Oh. That silver dog was intended for the main legendary for Silver and then turned into Entei, Suicuine and Raikou when Lugia became a thing.
Entei is a lion, Raikou is a tiger, and Suicuine is a leopard... they're not dogs
Can we talk about how the Shuckle evolution has a lower base stat total than Shuckle
That's because you don't fuckle with the Shuckle.
He was born to be fodder for Shuckle to use Eviolite. Lol.
You know what I still want to Know. Is Kabutops REALLY the Pokémon used to create Genesect? As a kid I was never sure about that.
9:56 this cry was repurposed for Magcargo, i see..
3:01 Egg and Chick was togepi evolution before gen2. Egg was togepi in the egg and chick was togetic which was a reference to chick hatching from a egg.
Entei, Raikou and Suicune seem to possess characteristics of that supposedly original Silver Version Legendary. Like Entei kind of has the face and body build, Suicune kind of has the fur with it's mane or head and back fur along with it's ribbon like tail or ribbon like, tail like fur, while Raikou has the speed it seemingly would have.
yeah, that's kinda where I was going.... it's like a fourth legendary dog.
That silver lion-dog one does seem like it could have been the original Silver legendary. Fits more with the towers than Lugia does as lion-dogs protect temples and such.
yeah, all the legends in GS make sense... except Lugia. Lugia just... doesn't have a connection with the in-game story, it's kinda just... there.
@@marhawkman303 Yeah. It's because Lugia was created as an anime exclusive. Kind of wish that they had kept the silver dog and just made Lugia a mythical.
I think the pkmn b4 lugia got into the picture could be that lion thing. either ho oh was supposed to be the bird trio leader or the team wanted to be creative/funny and wanted the lion one for the birds and ho oh for the beasts . a switchero if ya so will
7:04 I think that the original legendary Pokémon could’ve been something more akin to a Chinese/Japanese Dragon. The reason for this is bc the Ho-Oh is mainly based on the Fenghuang, a legendary Chinese bird sometimes called the “Chinese Phoenix” and the Fenghuang is often paired with the Chinese Dragon
if we were to go by real-world biology, the "stronger" Magikarp would've probably just been a Relicanth or a similar ancestor. Relicanth have existed for 100 million years (100 myr), so it is likely that a few individuals eventually migrated out of deeper waters causing them to adapt to new niches and evolve into many of the fish Pokemon we know today, including our boy Magikarp.
Hope this was helpful.
Modern Magikarp could be a result of fish farming. We know from real life that farming fish does change the fish quite a lot. Salmon for example get some of the bright pink colour as a result of the farming methods. Natural salmon are greyish in colour. We know Magikarp is eating widely in the Pokemon world. It could be a case of these farm Magikarp escaping into the wild and breeding exponentially.
@@susear5939 good observation, Magikarp could definitely be farmed for consumption. However, the pigmentation of salmon isn't due to an evolutionary process, it has to do with feeding habits. If the Magikarp are already quite a brilliant orange in the wild, farmed Magikarp would likely be even more brilliant or would change their colour entirely (perhaps a theory on shiny variants?) due to whatever carotenoid their food source consists of.
@@Perro_Picante that's what I meant for the salmon. Regarding the Magikarp. That could be the case. In Magikarp jump we see Magikarp in many colours.
I just think the science experiment for Magnezone was sticking three together and seeing it if it evolves.
If they make more legend games it's possible they might make extint varients to currently existing pokemond or new pokemon that have become extinct in the presemt of the pokemon world
i always thought girafarig was kinda like wobba because of its tail and think that first sprite would make sense if that was the case
Yeah about Girafarig-
You sir just gave me a shivers down my spine with 2 words you made me think. Evolite shuckle
Can't believe you didn't mention the most interesting thing about the first girafarig pre-evo: It's wobbuffet. Aside from it having the same name, they (kinda) kept the design in wobbuffet's tail.
"egg and chick" sounds like Togapi. That would explain why a gen 2 pokemon appeared in the anime so early. Like Donphan and Ho-oh the concept was always there.
The second generation of games was out during the time the original anime was released.
@@turkey2003 No they weren't lol they came out in 99, 2000 in America, anime came out in 97, 98 in America
@@turkey2003 Togepi, Donphan, Ho-Oh, Marill, and Snubbull all debuted in the anime/movies.
@@mediumChungus69 the games weren't made on the day they were released lol. Production of second gen games began in 97. Ken Sugimori worked on both the game designs and anime. Ho-oh in the 1st episode was a Easter egg for the release of the 2nd gen games.
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Wow never knew magikarp had that much power, and shuckle having an evolution would be very cool to see, and for crying out loud gamefreak pls out the beta pokemon as actual pokemon In the game and anime
I'm annoyed you mentioned Magikarp having a different form from the Pokedex, and Magnezone's entry in the Pokedex, and COMPLETELY skipped over Corphish - who has over half its Pokedex entries stating that its a foreign Pokemon imported to be a pet, escaped, and adapted to its environment.
I buy that lion being the box legend because it looks like a Pokemon that would be connected to the 3 dogs and it would make sense if originally Ho-Oh was connected to Articuno, Moltres and Zapdos
I assumed that Magnezone's pokedex entries were talking about they couldn't figure out how to force Magneton to evolve into Magnezone. Referencing how magnezone need(ed) to be in certain locations to evolve
I think egg and chick might have been an early consent for togepi and togetic. After all, misty had a togepi in the anime when it was set in Kanto so I don’t think it’s too far a stretch 😅
Gold and Silver were meant to be a single game, they were split towards the end of development. So, Ho-oh was the only legendary because it was the only one needed.
That dude is legend not only did he create 2 of the best pokemon movies but gave us the most infamous mewtwo quote
I just imagine the evolution of that strange gyarados, it should be do OP
Edit: my writing skills suck
Yes they do
play Pokémon reborn, there's something called pulse Pokémon and there's a pulse magnezone that looks seriously epic!!!!
Imagine if shuckle did get an evolution! How can you improve on perfection though? They would have had to nerf shuckle to because of eviolite
I like the look of that alternate Silver Pokémon. I’d like to pet it 😊
Egg and Chick as Togepi and Togetic? Especially since it's obvious they, like Ho-Oh, were developed way before other Gen II pokes.
I really hope the legends game does well. And that they don't just do one time thing with Sinnoh. I may be asking for too much but if they did an anime series for this it would be awesome.
I ADORE the gold and silver box legendaries, and ‘Pokemon: The Power Of One’ is, has been since it came out when I was a little girl, and always WILL be my FAVORITE Pokémon movie (great animation, great music, great story, timeless message. The modern day rip off ‘Pokemon: The Power of Us’ was quite good too, VERY good actually, just not quite AS good.). However, I’m willing to admit I like the looks of that Pokemon that is rumored to be the original silver box legendary.
I agree with everything you said... I hope Netflix does an updated animated version of it like they did with the first one or put it on the list to be watched eventually...
@@drd2005channel actually…i wasn’t too big of a fan of the revamp of the original movie. It just WASN’T THE SAME. the original trilogy of pokemon movies are MASTERPIECES, and i don’t think the need a revamp I’m just a sentimental gen 1er tho. 😝 lol
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
the "OG" silver legendary also fits with the dog trio so the birds probably would have originally belonged to HO-OH.
Egg & Chick; by the looks of their placement, to me it seems like the two weren't Pokemon at all but actually items. Previous in the Pokemon games, there is established fact that Pokemon and regular animals exist simultaneously. These two were probably scrapped because they didn't fit into a quest mechanic Gamefreak probably wanted to do. Why would the player even carry around an egg or a chick in the firstplace?
Pre-Lugia; Considering both the design of the sprite @7:48 and the fact that Ho-oh is a "real" myth we can infer 2 things. First that the sprite itself is for a tiger and second that it would have been an flying/metal/Ice type legendary. Why can we infer these things? Because Ho-oh is a Hou-ou, an Asian phoenix. In Feng Shu the Phoenix is Suzaku the vermillion bird representing cardinal direction South and the element of fire. Fallowing the same logic the sprite would be inspired by Byakko the white tiger representing the cardinal direction of West and the elements of wind and metal(Though in popculture Byakko is associated with Ice as well).
Magnezone; If the from the Pokedex entry we can infer that an evolution *might* exist but was failed to be achieved, we can look at another example of how a 4th sage evolution was accomplished: Mega evolutions. Magnezone might have an inferred mega evolution.
Yanmega is honestly one of my favourite Pokemon. I get so hyped everytime someone mentions it lol. Nuzlockes really makes you feel attached man. Yanmega and Forretress have become my two favourite mons lol
I'm surprised you didn't include Kangaskhan's pre-evolution!
It would also be possible if the starter evolutions were originally planned for the boxart, or entei and raikou.
1:16 "that's what the rumours say, but they're probably wrong"
The lion-dog was supposed to be the original silver artwork.
It is the 2nd attempt at a lion-dog legendary, after the original concept being used for Arcanine, which was turned into a normal pokemon upon realizing how cute a smaller version of it would be (Growlithe)
we finally got out lion-dog though so its ok
7:29 I would say the silver legendary might have been archanine since the sprite matches.
Maybe introduction of lugia caused making archanine to be a pseudo legendary which clear the doubt of presents of archanine with legendary birds.
i think egg and chick were intended to be part of a ranking system along with everything else onward, so like a newbie would be egg and then as they'd get better they'd become chick, bronze, silver, etc.
yeah the location makes sense like this.
I always figured the older more powerful magicarp were stronger defensively. In order to deter possible predators that wouldn’t be able to or want to use the effort to consume it. It also has the ability swift swim which it could have evolved along with the magicarp as their predators died off they didn’t need a thick hide and would shed their thick hide for more speed.
Basculegion is the Magikarp. I’m thinking Basculegion spawns a life after death situation.
a cool thing they could do with girafarig, especially with scarlet and violet comin soon, is something SIMILAR to maybe umbreon and espeon or wurmple, a PV can give it one of two evos. One has the "tail" as the main head, in a sense of corruption. The other could maintain this normal girafarig, but maybe the tail gets smaller
Legends arceus: comes
Magikarp: lets just say I took that personally
Sad story about the Shuckle; I've always wanted an evolution for it.
Egg and Chick might have been a reference to Earthbound - in that game and Mother 3 you can pick up an item called Fresh Egg which will eventually hatch in your inventory into a Chick, then grow into a Chicken. the game doesn't actually tell you this has happened and the only indication is an intermittent beeping which is the chicken clucking
so now im gonna make a fin fossil that after reviveing turns into ansester of magikarp and feebas and you can use an special machine to evolve it into feebas or magikarp and his evolution to gyrados or milotic So its gonna look like mix bettwen those pokemon but with some rocks added
Suicune was going to be the other box art legend.
I just realized. Eviolite Shuckle.
Since magikarp are based on domestic koi, the original form could resemble the wild amur carp.
Magicarp is a Yelloweye rockfish
Ancestral variants would be so 🔥🔥🔥
Wow, this video was fascinating!
The reason why so many pokemon were cut from Gen 2 is very simple, the game could only hold up to 255 different Pokemon, and it already was using 253 out of 255 slots since it counted Eggs and missigno as their own entry. It literally only had space for 2 more entries, or maybe 3 if you removed missigno.
So GF decided to cut evolutions (Piloswine's evo) or leave Pokes without evolutions (Yanma, Shuckle, etc) so they could fit in more new Pokemon.
Hopefully we see more of those cut concepts someday, like what happened with Generation 4!
Yeah, Gen1 and Gen 2 were very limited in what they could do. Gen 1 nearly became vapor ware because of how hard it was to compact the code enough to force it to fit into the cart used. which led to some of the most famous video game bugs of all time.
Where can I find the Index list of Pokémon Gold and Silver of 1999?
It would makes sense for that silver lion pokemon to be the original box legend because A. it’s silver and B. Ho-oh is a bird but is the trio master of the legendary beasts, which means the silver lion would have been the trio master of the legendary birds. It might be possible that Ho-oh was meant to be trio master for the legendary birds but was swapped for some reason
I was already going insane not knowing what the original Gen 5 dragon looks like! Now I have to go insane from 10 other Pokemon?!
Ho-oh was in Blue and Red, you see it flying in the binoculars on the second floor of those guard posts... not After Blue and Red.. plus Ash Saw Ho-oH episode one.... much earlier than you mentioned.