Hope you guys enjoy this one! I also wanted to let you know that this will be my last pre-Scarlet and Violet video, and I will begin covering the games with my next upload on Saturday!! There's gonna be so much exciting stuff to talk about, so I hope you'll tune in over the next few weeks for lots of awesome videos! :) I will also be giving out spoiler warnings where appropriate, so you won't have to worry about getting spoiled while watching my content either! So I'll see you then, and I hope everyone has an amazing time with the games when they pick them up! :)
I could be wrong but I assume it’s because that “lost” dragon Pokémon is commonly talked about. There were only 1 or 2 in the video I’ve actually heard about.
The animal that Corphish and Crawdaunt are based on ( Red Swamp Crayfish) naturally lives in the Southern United States and Northern Mexico. So, if we ever get a region based on either of those areas than that would be the perfect opportunity to give us the original forms of Corphish and Crawdaunt.
@@hamburgler9839 Yes, but it's mainly based on one state( New York). I actually don't eat them and the specific species that Corphish is based on can only be found naturally in the South and Northern Mexico.
About Corphish: Being originated from another regions doesn't always mean there's a regional variant in place from the get-go. They're definitely invasive species, like Yungoos, but there's no way to indicate if Corphish itself has a different form based on their native region. We've had this happen before, where a certain Pokemon is obtained through rare means in a given region and then we discover they're endemic to another one and can be found in the wild, like Lapras, Kangaskhan, Tauros, etc. This is most likely the case for the base Corphish. Crawdaunt could be the regional variant judging from this. Kind of like an Alolan Marowak situation, where Cubone doesn't change but the evolution suits the new region. Of course, we've got yet to see what it comes out of it if anything.
Pikachu, for example, was clearly only native to Kanto until Gen 6. Only available in the Safari Zone and Trophy Garden in Hoenn and Sinnoh respectively, and not available in Johto or Unova at all.
Yah I agree, it didn't say anything about different forms, were just assuming. However I don't see the resemblance between crawdaunt and sharpedo. Unless there's more info, based purely on appearance, it doesn't look all that similar imo
The funny thing is that there is actually a slug Pokémon that used to have a shell in ancient times. It’s just that it’s not Gastrodon; it’s Sliggo and Goodra. Makes you wonder if there are any connections between the two lines.
@@callmesilver2683 I think that's what they're saying. Sligoo and Goodra are slugs in modern times, but in Hisuian times were snails, whereas Gastrodon was already a slug in Hisuian times
Legends Arceus doesn't take place in ancient times. Between the cultural aesthetic, the active immigration from other regions, and the technology level (disregarding the Arc Phone), it was most likely the equivalent of the late 1800's, the Meiji Restoration era. Hisuian Sliggoo and Goodra probably existed at the same time as their Kalosian brethren, they simply died out before modern times.
The interesting thing about Magnezone is in Legends Arceus, it's the only one of its line that spawns outside the distortions. This can lead one to believe that Magnemite and Magneton are a side effect of the existence of Magnezone and environmental changes. It also means evolving it could theoretically be possible BECAUSE it originally didn't evolve from the Pokemon they do now.
To be fair, sometimes a Pokémon is said to evolve FROM, as in "Magnezone evolves from Magneton". We should check what the japanese text stays to see if it clears it up.
@@igottoomanypets Perhaps unknowingly. I would think the Scientists of the Pokemon multiverse could determine where there's evolution potential, even if they're unaware of the necessary mechanics behind it.
In pokemon scarlet there a paradox past form of magnezone but not it pre or post evolution If I am not mixing up the names An I did mixed them up with magneton still interesting to think about tho since it almost definitely related to magnezone
I think Poipole's dex entry is referring to the Ultra Recon Squad choosing it as a partner. It's mentioned throughout the game that Pokémon battling isn't a thing in their world, which is why they needed outside help subduing Necrozma.
There's a replacement we can use for Poipole however. It's Necrozma. So Necrozma has like 3 other forms but none of those are actually Necrozma's TRUE form. It could be argued that Ultra Necrozma is, in fact, it's true form but in the dex it says that form is "a new form that even Necrozma had never taken until now." So that kind of leaves a gray area of what Necrozma looked like before it's light leaked out so I mean it's not really a secret pokemon just a secret form that I hope we'll see in a future game sometime.
Yet poipole states in it evolved form are exactly as the starters based stats, not to mention its the weakest amongst the other ultra beast so it is possible there are others that are like the starters in there world.
The term Partner is often used in several pieces of Pokemon media (particularly the Japanese anime) to refer to someone's starter Pokemon or their ace (eg. Ash/Satoshi often referring to Pikachu as his partner and not giving the same title to his others). Even if Pokemon battling wasn't much of a thing in their universe, the dex entry still suggests it's the starter Pokemon for what tasks are often expected of Pokemon there.
Some of these are a stretch. The dex entry for Magnezone says the attempt to evolve it failed, so there is no evolution that ever existed. Corphish just got imported from another region as it is and it spread its numbers. There’s no suggestion it’s a different form. It’s like taking a Bulbasaur from Kanto and putting it in the wild in Sinnoh - it’s not native to the region but there’s no regional form
Was really hoping to see Cubone on this list. Cubone is so intriguing because the entire concept of the Pokémon is the trauma of its parent dying. What would this Pokémon be without that traumatic experience? The Dex entry implies that such a thing exists. Of course most of us think that goes into Kangaskhan. But still we don’t see the baby in the pouch as it’s own Pokémon and would be nice to finally have that connection more cannon.
The theory that’s going around is that cubone and marowak kind of split off from Kangaskan after the orphan thing Even if not all of them are orphans by now Could just be a game mechanic thing, really
I love the theory that all of the fossil Pokemon are only near approximations of their original forms. The reason they all have rock type is because they are still partially still fossils. I would love to see true forms of them via some sort of time travel mechanic. As Scarlet and Violet seem to be trying to do both past and future, I doubt they will dive too deeply into ancient Pokemon as it would favor Scarlet over Violet. Now, if they do another Legends style game, we could see a time rift with new forms of the fossils.
@@henriquealves3086 The theory was before gen 8, but it could be that combining 2 different fossils provides enough extra genetic material to not be part fossil/rock.
One other interesting form (if it counts as one) that has been mentioned in the Pokedex is 3 headed Weezing. "Though very rare, triplets have been found" according to multiple of its dex entries. That'd be cool to see.
Yeah, I was surprised this one wasn’t mentioned. I know it’s not as “secret” as the other ones but I think it’s still interesting enough to at least mention
Dunno if it’s been mentioned already but the Magikarp entry makes me think of the alpha Magikarp in PLA, because it is far stronger than regular Karp, but still easy to deal with. Thus only being slightly stronger.
i think it would be cool if they do a reverse Magikarp/Gyarados thing where the olden time Magikarp was its stronger form and got weaker when it evolved
In addition for Dreepy (since I know this video was released before SV came out), its Violet dex entry states "It has a habit of biting at Clauncher even though it doesn't feed on them. This is said to be vestigial behavior from when Dreepy was alive." Meaning that it was a predator that preyed upon Clauncher (and likely its evolutions hunted Clawitzer). This also means that Clauncher existed during the same time period as Dreepy's prehistoric form.
In the anime there was an episode where all of Kanto's/the city's (can't remember which) Magnemite joined together to create a giant eye-looking hive mind. Leading up to the conclusion of the episode Professor Cerise theorised they were about to evolve into something before being halted, that could link to the magnezone evolution somehow
With the introduction of paradox Pokemon, I'd love to see paradox forms for genesect. A past form, showing what genesect was originally, and a future form where it's become fully synthetic would be really cool!
Look, I don't want to be that guy, but do you _really_ think they're going to revisit paradox Pokémon again considering the franchise's history with past gimmick Pokémon like ultra beasts? Sorry if this comment came off as a bit rude, I'm just not sure if they'll revisit the idea of these guys outside of scarlet and violet.
@@strongest-avenger0096 kabutops is rock water and I dont see how it would gain a bug type so I think genesect was modified from a different and similar pokemon unless the rock type was forced onto it via fossil revival which i don't think is the case
For the Arbok forms, they could implement it by the pokemon's nature. There are (currently) 24 different natures that a pokemon can have, and the pokedex entry says that there are 'over twenty' different variations, so it could line up nicely with the pokemon's nature. It could also encourage breeding to find all the different types
@@nigelschonberger8022 mints dont actually overwrite the true nature, they just cover it with another so this really isnt the issue it might look to be
@@nigelschonberger8022 actually no, because changing a pokemon's nature with mints doesn't actually change nature, just the bonuses. for breeding purposes they still have their original one, and Toxtricity doesn't change form on using a mint either.
I don't think it's official canon, but there's a cool theory about Graveller/Golem swapping DNA with Machoke/Machamp when they trade. Hence Machamp having Graveller's extra arms and Golem gaining Machoke's lizard head. So I wonder what a un-spliced third evolution for these lines would look like?
I heard this before too, but its not like you have to trade a graveler for a machoke to evolve both. The gen 1 creators probably thought something like the dna swapping stuff would be cool but ultimately decided to scrap it, since you can see some resmblance to this in escavalier/accelgor.
I remember hearing theories that the red lines on Machoke's arms are its muscles expanding to accomodate for their increased physical power, which likely fits into this theory as well: Machoke gets dna from Graveler to solve the excess power issue by growing extra arms, however I fail to see how exactly getting Machoke dna affects Golem. (also I'm unsure how Alolan Graveler/Golem fits into the equation)
@@SonnyFRST Five months later but-- it doesn't necessarily have to be an advantage, it could just be something that happens if they're just shuffling dna by accident. It doesn't give it any advantages, but you can definitely see how it would fit - it loses the extra arms and gains lizardlike features that it didn't have in its first two evolutions. Much like mutations in actual creatures, dna errors don't necessarily have to have an -advantage- to be visible!
Great video! Another thing to consider are the Gen 8 fossile fragment pokémon (I hate them so much). There are 4 Pokémon (I think it were 4?) hidden right there and mutilated beyond any recognition.
some people have always believed that dragonite and gyarados flipped spots in the pokedex (gen 1 was kind of weird with stuff like that and butterfree/venomoth) and that magikarp was to evolve into dragonite originally and dragonair into gyarados
Not only did Gastrodon have a huge shell, but it (and Shellos) only ever diverged into two forms when Mount Coronet divided them, so historically there was a single variant of Gastrodon with a shell, which may or may not have lost it before its descendants diverged
@Thomas Lilkendey evolution is very gradual. Before becoming different species, they will always become two different sub species. But the differences in the sub species is still a result of evolution
It would really cool to see some of these incorporated into a potential Scarlet/Violet DLC. The original Magikarp/Dreepy/Genesect forms in Scarlet, and the successful future evolution, de-corruption and curing of Magnezone/Porygon-Z/Parasect respectively.
Poipole is probably not a traditional 1-of-3 starter, based solely on the typing and fact that it is a two stage evolution Pokemon. It's more likely that Poipole is like the Pikachu of its world, where it wasn't the normal starter but is very popular and counted among the starters due to a special circumstance.
@@SolstaceWinters This is Pokémon, where a salamander with a candle for a tail can become a giant not-dragon. That's not the most bizzare transformation in my book.
In the Journeys anime there was an episode of a ton of Magnemite combining together and was going to create a new evolution. I mean 1000s of them! It was nuts. It didn’t happen but it was cool.
I think the PLA entry for Parasect is referring to Parasect corpses, with the soft mushroom having been eaten by other pokemon or withered/rotten away and leaving only an (empty) exoskeleton (hence unmoving. They could even still be twitching or otherwise moving depending on how their nerve system works). Mushroom-less Paras might be a thing, if there was a way to prevent the mushroom spores from infecting the paras egg/embryo/baby. And I see Poipole more like an early-game bird/rodent/bug or Eevee than part of a starter set. Compared to the rest of the known ultra beasts, Poipole is a cute, easy to handle and relatively safe option to start with.
Agree with Paras/Parasect, but, cannot agree with the Poipole part. Poipole is actually to strong to be an early-route mon to catch. In reality, I feel like Poipole might actually have a pre-evolution we have never seen, as Poipole is as strong as MID level evolutions. Meanwhile, Naganadel is comparative in strength to the final stages of starters, not the final stages of early-route mons.
@@forgerofsouls9126 You also have to keep in mind that in their own world the Ultra Beasts are super common (save for Guzzlord I think). So trying to gauge the strength of an UB homeworld with the strength of Pokemon's world is quite flawed I would think. Poipole could easily be an early route mon in its homeworld. It could be quite weak at home (as evident that it lives in nests like an insect hive) but is quite strong outside of it.
If Poipole is a starter, the most likely scenario is that its counterparts are Grass and Ground-type to make a trio. Poison beats Grass, which beats Ground, which beats Poison.
I've always just theory crafted the look of the other starters and also had the idea of the Grass, Ground and Poison core. But based on the Poipole evolving to Naganadel, it is essentially a big Bee or Beedrill haha. So I considered maybe the grass starter will be like a bird ultra beast resembling Fearow and the ground starter will be represented by a large rat as in Raticate. All of them evolve into Dragon types so each starter can fight back against the other.
@@minaashido518 Yeah like many Pokemon games only have one Starter or Two, however I’m pretty sure only Yellow and Let’s Go has the starter actually given by an actual Professor. In XD: Gale of Darkness, we know Eevee isn’t given by the region’s professor, but rather Michael’s (the progatonist) father
With Magnezone it’s more likely they tried to make it evolve beyond the natural limits of Pokémon possibly by making into a new subspecies or mega evolution.
THANK YOU for bringing attention to Gastrodon!! I have always had that entry in the back of my mind! I wish we could get a variant OR. A 3rd evolution! It’s one of my faves! 😍
I feel like a Porygon3 (coming out of Porygon2) could be really cool. Whilst still keeping the same colour scheme, it could look like a regular animal (duck?)/pokemon, perfecting what it was originally meant to be.
For the Paras/Parasect entries, I took it as baby versions don't have mushrooms just like how baby vulpix has 1 tail. The mushroomless Parasects sound like it dying/shedding and leaving behind a husk. This could mean a 3rd evolution where the Mushroom comes to life or a ghost version of Parasect.
Interesting. I read the Parasect entry in that they were simply stating that the mushroom less versions are unmoving because the mushroom was removed and so they are essentially brain dead. Though that could be to your point in that the mushroom grew strong enough so that it no longer needs the bug to exist. Maybe this could end up being similar to Ninjask where the Parasect could become a new Shedninja. Ooh name it Sector 😂😂
@@jarviscooper3215 I would say they are too big and a different kind of Mushroom. But if slowpoke can evolve by fusing with another pokemon idk why paras cant
You forgot dunsparce. In its Sword dex entry it says "This Pokémon's tiny wings have some scientists saying that Dunsparce used to fly through the sky in ancient times" this suggests another form
....it has tiny wings and it problably ised to fly. But due to evolution it has no reason to fly since it landed in a place where (in his generation) its easier to burrow underground and rravel than fly. Because of the mountains. Never said it looked different. Dunsparce has its wings. He just stopped using them he didnt look different.
I really hope that we're getting more paradox Pokémon in future DLCs. There are so many Dreepy in Area Zero, I was so disappointed there was no paradox form of it.
we won't be seeing paradox pokemon after this. they were a gimmick for this gen alone based on the lore of this gen. technically, they don't even exist under normal circumstances, and really only live in area zero.
It's hypothesized that the reverse-fossilization process adds rock typing to prehistoric Pokemon. If so, Kabutops and Genesect could share an original forme as well. Also, where did you get the prehistoric Genesect art? It looks sick.
The Magikarp would even predate Hisui since we saw regular Magikarp there. Would love to see a Porygon 3 but it would need to be of similar stats to Porygon Z to be fair. Maybe a more defensive version
it could also be just a regional variant too. leaves possibility for a gyrados variant too without it being all over the world, it being more op than the normal one it already wreaks havoc regularly?
Or mayve Porygon 3 could be an evolution to Porygon Z, by purging the virus. And then its stats could either be an *extremely* offensive attacker or make it into a flat out *wall* of defensiveness
It would be nice to see them further explore the ancestral forms of Pokémon like they did with the Hisuian forms of some of the modern Pokémon like Voltorb
Here's another thought. Since Poipole is a starter, maybe where it's from there's an item meant to help it and its other starters to evolve to a third state.;)
Just because scientists tried to make magnezone evolve, doesn't mean that there's even the possibility of an evolved magnezone. They could have just been a group of idiots. Corphish doesn't have to have a regional variant to be an invasive species. There are lots of pokemon that are the same form in whatever region they appear in. There's no mention of it adapting to new environments, just that it's hardy and works in many environments. There's no reason to think that there are co-starters with poipole. The 3 starter choices are a quirk of game design to make the games more fun and versatile. That entry is likely just there to reference how friendly and trainable poipole is.
Along the lines of “ancient form pokemon”I was really hoping we’d get “Prime Pokémon” which was their ancient or original forms like the fossil Pokémon without the rock typing (or like Gastro) and see what they were like back when they roamed the world
In a similar vein to Arbok, one of the pokedex entries for mantyke states that they have different back patterns depending on the region where the mantyke is found.
the spindula pokemon actually have different patterns in gen 3. I wish they'd do the same with the other pokemon that they mention having multiple patterns
I kind of hope Scarlet and Violet explore this type of stuff in DLC given what we have seen so far in game thanks to Scarlet with a few select Pokémon.
Interestingly enough you can see Paras remove their Mushrooms in the first Anime Season, alongside several other flopped over Paras with their Shrooms already removed. This suggests that despite the Pokédex often depicting the relation between the Tochucaso and Paras/Parasect as parasitic, it actually appears that the Pokémon fully depends on the Mushroom to survive and reproduce, making the relationship more of a symbiotic kind.
@@adrianmcbride1666 Yes, but as Laventon's Pokédex Entry implies, it also absolutely needs that Mushroom to do literally anything, because if it develops without one, it just dies.
The way I see it is that Paras insect has a mutualistic relationship with the Paras fungi (like the fungi does most of the digestion and aids the insect's movement by being embedded in its muscles), whereas in Parasect the fungi acts more like a parasitoid and effectively takes over all the functions of the insect.
Paras likely can do things on its own, the mushroom hasn't taken over it yet, and the fact that they're *Parasects* that lie immobile in forests, so Paras can survive and even reproduce on its own (there wouldn't be many mushroomless Paras otherwise), it's only when it evolves into Parasect that it actually needs the mushroom
In a really cool episode of the anime, magnemite almost evolved into a new giant sized pokemon that required fusing hundreds of magnemites together who had to first charge themselves with an entire city of electricity.
Unfortunately, the Paras situation would be a much harder situation to fix. Even if in the earliest pokemon game chronologically the baby-est Paras don't *seem* to have mushrooms yet, that's because the spores haven't yet grown. They are still there, just haven't become visible to the human eye.
Well if you see a mushroom, that is a fruiting body, with the rest of the mycelium being underneath. So the mycelium are present within the host organism before you see a mushroom
I feel like the paras prevo would have been a great way to show a Pokémon using a parasitic mushroom as a den that eventually takes over the host. This could be seen as a pure bug time originally and when it evolves and is taken over it gains the grass typing to reflect the internal change.
There's also the original forms of the other Prehistoric Pokémon (and I'm not just talking about the _Sword_ and _Shield_ shenanigans). Tyrantrum and Aerodactyl's Pokédex entries indicate there's a glitch in the resurrection process that results in the clones not appearing exactly as they were in-life.
tyrantrum's dex entry implies no such thing. the only one that KIND of does is it's ultra sun dex entry, and even then it just says it was covered in feathers, which more is a reference to how dinosaurs are related to birds. that means literally nothing. aerodactyl MAYBE, but it's a very intense MAYBE because all of it's other dex entries make no mention of the "perfect specimen" that it's sword entry makes.
you talked about corpish being the first regional form as it is imported from another region, but I'd like to add two things: the first is that it may not have changed form after being imported, and the second is that this has likely happened before. in gen 1, there are pokémon that can only be found in the safari zone and nowhere else. this indicates that those pokemon are not originally from kanto, and were brought over and kept in a nature preserve, to not disrupt kanto's ecology -- like they do in real life zoos. so those may very well be the first regional forms, or at least the first pokémon that were introduced in a region that's not their original region, just like corpish. pinsir is a pokémon that gives credit to this theory, since it's based on a real life bug that lives in deserts and there are no deserts in kanto. scyther, in its turn, exists in hisui and has a different evolution, so we can assume that's its original region.
People claiming current gen designs are cuter are going to flip when they see the baby Nidoran designs from 1996 proving it was not a new design philosophy lol.
Yeah, the “original” dragon or whatever. I could’ve sworn it was brought up more than once in the games. EDIT: I don’t think it’s mentioned in the Pokédex, though.
Sizzlipede's and Skorupi's ancient ancestor could be Anorith and Armaldo! Anorith looks somewhat close to your interpretation of the ancestor's first stage.
Just want to drop a comment, I think you mis-interpreted the Parasect Pokedex entry. I think it meant that it was left unmoving because the mushroom was gone (possibly eaten by another Pokémon) and so it stayed there unmoving and dead. Hence giving credence to the idea that the Pokémon is controlled by the mushroom, since without the mushroom it was basically dead. I am also of the opinion that newborn Paras are not born without the mushrooms, but much like in mushroom that are still basically just a spore, the mushrooms haven't grown enough to be visible on the Pokémon, as they haven't broken through the outer shell, and every Paras that is born has thos spores on it.
I think the Paras dex entry isn't meant to imply a fungus-less Paras, and rather that other Pokemon eat the fungus (likely Stantler, which inhabit the same areas).
I think that the idea of a whole game utilizing the Ultra Beasts as an entire Dex would be amazing. Maybe it could have a futuristic look to it mainly with the region or World you would be exploring underwent a cataclysm centuries earlier that mashed all the Ultra Worlds together into the region you explore. It would be a messy idea to organize, sure but I wouldn't expect it until at least Sun/Moon/US/UM remakes come out, it could be their Legends Arceus title, Legends Necrozma or something, maybe make the big light dragon the centerpiece of why the world is the way it is. Hell it could even be Ultramegaopolis or whatever it was as the main/starting town
Poipole as a starter? that's an intriguing concept considering that Poipole is the only Ultra Beast that has an evolution (even if it's just a single stage evolution. Now I'm wondering what the 2nd stage evolution would look like if Naganadel could evolve). Now how would a Pokemon game set in Ultra Megalopolis/Ultra Space look like? Who would be the starters (aside from Poipole)? What pokemon would there be to catch/befriend there? Would there be a Pokedex? What would the story look like, Legends Arceus-style, or mainline-style? How would the obedience mechanic look/behave?
It shocks me how much you sound like poketips lol. That is a good thing! Love your narration and plenty of details on subjects. Keep it up! Earned my sub 💯
But, like, doesn't it already exist? Team Rocket made it, then it was saved, it's programming changed, so it wouldn't be forced to do evil things, and then it became Porygon Z. But Team Rocket called their form Porygon 3
What about the ancient Tao Dragon? We know that Kyurem, Reshiram and Zekrom were originally one Pokemon. When the brothers it followed grew apart, it ripped itself apart to follow them both, leaving it's body behind in the form of Kyurem. We also know that Kyurem can absorb Zekrom and Reshiram back to regain it's powers. But we have only seen it absorb one of them. I personally hope that we get to see it in the Gen 5 remakes
The pokedex entry for magnizone can be explained easily by them referencing the next game's generation's gimmick bring mega evolution. We know gamefreak plans these games years in advance so it's not out of the realm of possibility that, they could have originally planed a mega magnizone but ultimately scraped it in development leaving this as the only reference.
on the official Pokémon RUclips channel it’s says in Magikarps song “Maybe in ancient times It was really strong That’s what the rumors say But they’re probably wrong” So it’s possible that pokedex entry is speculative or a total joke on Magikarp.
For what the Legends Arceus entry implies, more than a "Mushroom-less Paras evolving into a Mushroom-less Parasect", it's that the Mushroom-less Parasects are dead, just corpses. So the mushroom goes to inhabit other specimens (probably splitting into smaller ones or something to invade baby Paras) and leaves the original host rotting.
Toxicroak and Seismatoad were mentioned to be similar species in the Sword and Shield Pokedex entries, which kinda implies that them and their pre-evolutions are likey more closely related to each other than they are to other amphibian Pokemon, such as the Poliwag line or Mudkip line( which mostly based off of Axolotls), their ancestors could have even diverged into the Pokemon that would eventually become them or at least co existed alongside each other.
Can't believe... The true dragon wasn't mentioned in this video, it's really one of the other most commonly known secret pokemon since it is a huge plot point in B/W/B2/W2
I think there’s a chance for dreepys past form to be seen in scarlet/ violet. They have been confirmed in the latest trailer, and they did reveal the past / future forms of pokemon.
Regarding Magikarp, it could actually be that the Dex entry is referring to Gyarados. Which sounds disappointing at first, but it might actually paint a very interesting ecological picture. Pokémon ecology does get weird and challenging to talk about, thanks to evolution, but I'll try my hand. Suppose for a moment that Gyarados was the original form, just by itself. Magikarp then emerged later-in a similar manner to how Baby Pokémon occur. However, Magikarp proved to be such a successful form (likely due to resource efficiency or better reproductive performance, I'd hazard) that it eventually evolved (in the Darwinian sense) to become the regular unevolved form of Gyarados-eliminating the need for whatever item was originally used. Whether this survival strategy was just adapting to their environment and better reproductive competition, or perhaps was some biological stroke of luck during some great disaster or mass extinction that enabled the species to survive is hard to say. It also begs the question of whether the Gyarados of today are unchanged from their ancient ancestors-I imagine most would suggest (accepting everything thus far as true) that the Gyarados of yore were the stronger ones, though I myself am fond of the idea that this specialization of the species has enabled those few Magikarp that do become Gyarados to grow even stronger than they once were.
I'm thinking for the poipole one, the other starters types are grass and ground, poison-->grass-->ground, they are the only type matchups I could think of so it's interesting to me
One more. Scarlet and Violet have past paradox forms, they should have made an ancient Magikarp. Boosted stats, good typing, even make it good competitively! It would have been awesome!
The paradox pokemon as such a wasted concept. Could have had magikarp, genesect, dreepy, the SwSh fossils, ect. Even the future ones could have had a stable Porygon Z.
For magnezone maybe they were hinting at a possible mega evolution that got scrapped? It would also be cool to see “regional variants” of porygon, where you can get different “upgrade” items for it depending on what region you’re in. Region exclusive items to evolve or change the forms of Pokémon like rotom and sinistea would be interesting too.
Isn’t crawduant just an invasive species? The “turned up in the wild” just means the ‘pets’ got out and over ran the environment. This is like how Coperoja is not from Galar; it’s not a regional variant and was just brought there (maybe from an India based region)
Remember though, the Pokédex isn't pure truth from the developers, it's canonically just data collected from trainers and professors. These are just pokémon that are thought to exist in-universe.
I always viewed it as in the distant past (prehistoric maybe) magikarp had a much stronger form aka gyrados. And it essentially devolved over time into the weak thing it is today, but luckily it can still evolve into its strong form again with training and experience
I think the Corphish line and its regional variant parallels invasive species irl, especially with the line about it greatly increasing its population. A lot of invasive species have to change and adapt to new environments they’re brought into, mimicking evolutionary traits of species around it. I’d be curious to check their catch rates to see if similar to irl they overpopulate areas and start killing off native species either by predation or more commonly food competition. Little swamp nerd rant there but it’s an interesting concept to bring up in Pokémon
a while ago, i did actually make a concept for a mushroom-less paras and its evolution. since paras and parasect are based on cicada nymphs, i imagined the shroomless paras being a bit larger than the shroomed version (due to the extra nutrients it has to grow), and then evolving into a new form at level 40: cicasect, a bug/dragon type with the ability soundproof.
13:40 I think the intended meaning of the dex entry is that they found dead parascets without mushrooms, which was confirmation that the mushroom was piloting them. Although that doesn't dispute the existence of living mushroom-free paras/Parasects. What scarred me about the entry was the that they never explained why they didn't have mushrooms. They could have been eaten, but then why was the bodies left alone? I propose the (highly unlikely) idea that once the mushrooms get big enough, maybe they turn into a whole new pokemon detaching from Parasects body and scattering into the wildness. The idea of mushroom-free paras/Parasect is much more wholesome and I do prefer that over living monster shrooms.
Since Magikarp is based off a koi that became a dragon I think the stronger version of Magikarp and it's evolution should be dragon type to be a bigger nod to the inspiration to the pair, and maybe have this unseen Magikarp and it's evolution have different colorations if it's found in different areas as a nod to koi fish having so many colorations themselves.
With the Dreepy line it could actually imply 2 possible alternate Pokemon. What it was like in the distant past, but also a possible Fossil Pokemon variant. Probably Rock/Dragon if following the classic Fossil Pokemon trend. With that thought process you could maybe include all the Fossil Pokemon on this list if you follow theory that the reviving process isn't perfect and alters their appearence. (Most noteably woth Aerodactyl) Also facinating going back and watching these months or years after they were originally uploaded. Seeing what predictions come true or not.
You missed the point of the Magnezone and Parasect entries. The Magnezone entry is just their way of reinforcing the "3 stage is max stage" rule. The Parasect entry is just stating that the mushroom has moved on and left behind a husk/corpse of the adult paras. Either due to being eaten by something else, or the host dying outright. The Paras entry doesn't state "IF" just when. So the real story behind the Paras line is that they're entire species are just doomed to forever sprout mind control mushrooms and die.
I am interested in extraterrestrial Pokemon and the species that they would call trainers on their home planets. Poipole does imply that it's a starter Pokemon to something. Humans are a weird exception in the Pokemon world, being so closely related to pokemon and either intermarrying or having previously been Pokemon themselves (depending on how you chose to translate that text).
Pretty sure people are pokemon too. Think of the anime, flamethrower to the face results in a soot coating but no damage. In the Johto games a team rocket member is merely dazed from a dragonite hyper beam. In the shadow games Wes took a straight up haymaker from a Makuhita and barely flinched. These are not Homo Sapiens.
@@Skullhawk13 Yeah, I think it's similar to humans in fantasy settings where they really wouldn't be considered human because of how different they are from us. I do like to think that humans in this world are descended from Pokemon. It is weird that humans are the only species in the setting to not hatch from eggs (as far as we know).
Maaan, they really should've used that Magikarp entry when they made Legends Arceus. Hisuian-Magikarp with beefy stats, then turn Gyarados into a proper psuedo-legendary.
I like the idea of the video.. will that ever happen..? Probably not!! But for someone who took the time to read each pokemon dex entre and provide visuals for what they would have looked like.. GOOD JOB MAN!!
If the alternate universe also has 3 starter Pokémon, with Poipole being one of them, and if they also form a rock-paper-scissors relationship, then we can assume the group consists of a Ground type, a Grass type and Poipole. If they are also equal in power level and evolve just once, then we can deduce there is an evolution for these implied Pokémon that may or may not add a secondary type. Considering Naganadel's secondary Dragon type also having an advantage over Grass type, then the Grass type's secondary type (if any), might be Water or Ice for the offensive advantage over Ground starter; Bug or Flying for the resistances. Though I think Ice is unlikely because it would give Grass starter an advantage over both other starters and, while that isn't unheard of (Sinnoh starters, for example), I think it's not a good idea. The Ground type starter's second type (if any) would be Psychic (offensive advantage); Rock, Steel or Ghost (resistances). We know Naganadel is part Dragon type, so we can also use that to deduce any other type that may be added when taking Naganadel into account. That would add Ice as a possibility. The hypothetical starter trio would be: 1- Naganadel 2- One of the following: Grass Grass/Water Grass/Ice Grass/Bug Grass/Flying 3- One of these: Ground Ground/Rock Ground/Steel Ground/Ghost Ground/Ice
![Lethal Company Music Video 🎵 "Follow The Orders" [VERSION A]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QeooZB4Z7RA/mqdefault.jpg)
Hope you guys enjoy this one! I also wanted to let you know that this will be my last pre-Scarlet and Violet video, and I will begin covering the games with my next upload on Saturday!! There's gonna be so much exciting stuff to talk about, so I hope you'll tune in over the next few weeks for lots of awesome videos! :) I will also be giving out spoiler warnings where appropriate, so you won't have to worry about getting spoiled while watching my content either! So I'll see you then, and I hope everyone has an amazing time with the games when they pick them up! :)
Only 3 days left
Looking at your design for the skorupi ancestor, you could probably throw the joltik line into the mix
Paradox Magikarp would be cool though
I was waiting for the original dragon that split into Reshiram and Zekrom to come up...
I mean even if genesect was kabutops it isn’t normal it’s called genesect not kabusect it just doesn’t match up
Technically, the first regional variant we ever encounter is Exeggutor, since they were originally native to Alola and imported to Kanto
Nah, it was just retconed later in its existence.
@@JacktheRah Hence why he said "technically".
Same with Zigzagoon!
Alolan exeggutor was actually shown way before gen 7, there was a card which had one around gen 1/2.
@@jaschabull2365 do you know where i could find a pic of this card?
I'm really surprised you didn't talk about the ancient dragon that split off into Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem.
I could be wrong but I assume it’s because that “lost” dragon Pokémon is commonly talked about. There were only 1 or 2 in the video I’ve actually heard about.
@@xSeulgi true. And we might be seeing that og dragon form eventually
The animal that Corphish and Crawdaunt are based on ( Red Swamp Crayfish) naturally lives in the Southern United States and Northern Mexico. So, if we ever get a region based on either of those areas than that would be the perfect opportunity to give us the original forms of Corphish and Crawdaunt.
They could also be from Paldea, what do you think about it
unova is the United States. GEN 5. Crayfish are in every damn river the south isn’t special. You guys just eat them
@@hamburgler9839 Yes, but it's mainly based on one state( New York). I actually don't eat them and the specific species that Corphish is based on can only be found naturally in the South and Northern Mexico.
@@ethandollarhide7943 los Vegas is in new york???
There’s 9 species of crayfish in NY
About Corphish: Being originated from another regions doesn't always mean there's a regional variant in place from the get-go. They're definitely invasive species, like Yungoos, but there's no way to indicate if Corphish itself has a different form based on their native region.
We've had this happen before, where a certain Pokemon is obtained through rare means in a given region and then we discover they're endemic to another one and can be found in the wild, like Lapras, Kangaskhan, Tauros, etc.
This is most likely the case for the base Corphish.
Crawdaunt could be the regional variant judging from this. Kind of like an Alolan Marowak situation, where Cubone doesn't change but the evolution suits the new region.
Of course, we've got yet to see what it comes out of it if anything.
Could just be a locational based evolution (real not pokemon) and clauncher is its "regional variant"
Agreed.
Pikachu, for example, was clearly only native to Kanto until Gen 6. Only available in the Safari Zone and Trophy Garden in Hoenn and Sinnoh respectively, and not available in Johto or Unova at all.
Yah I agree, it didn't say anything about different forms, were just assuming.
However I don't see the resemblance between crawdaunt and sharpedo. Unless there's more info, based purely on appearance, it doesn't look all that similar imo
One thing about Mikon (Baby Vulpix)
Is that it's three tails are growing out from a single tail, so it still fits that early pokedex entry.
The funny thing is that there is actually a slug Pokémon that used to have a shell in ancient times. It’s just that it’s not Gastrodon; it’s Sliggo and Goodra. Makes you wonder if there are any connections between the two lines.
Hisuian sliggoo and goodra have shells too
@@callmesilver2683 I think that's what they're saying. Sligoo and Goodra are slugs in modern times, but in Hisuian times were snails, whereas Gastrodon was already a slug in Hisuian times
Omanyte?
@@donovanberserk4993 1) Omanyte is not a snail
2) Omanyte is never presented without a shell in modern times
Legends Arceus doesn't take place in ancient times. Between the cultural aesthetic, the active immigration from other regions, and the technology level (disregarding the Arc Phone), it was most likely the equivalent of the late 1800's, the Meiji Restoration era. Hisuian Sliggoo and Goodra probably existed at the same time as their Kalosian brethren, they simply died out before modern times.
The interesting thing about Magnezone is in Legends Arceus, it's the only one of its line that spawns outside the distortions. This can lead one to believe that Magnemite and Magneton are a side effect of the existence of Magnezone and environmental changes. It also means evolving it could theoretically be possible BECAUSE it originally didn't evolve from the Pokemon they do now.
Magneton is school form wishiwashi for gen 1
To be fair, sometimes a Pokémon is said to evolve FROM, as in "Magnezone evolves from Magneton".
We should check what the japanese text stays to see if it clears it up.
or it they could have been trying to make it mega evolve
@@igottoomanypets Perhaps unknowingly. I would think the Scientists of the Pokemon multiverse could determine where there's evolution potential, even if they're unaware of the necessary mechanics behind it.
In pokemon scarlet there a paradox past form of magnezone but not it pre or post evolution
If I am not mixing up the names
An I did mixed them up with magneton still interesting to think about tho since it almost definitely related to magnezone
I think Poipole's dex entry is referring to the Ultra Recon Squad choosing it as a partner. It's mentioned throughout the game that Pokémon battling isn't a thing in their world, which is why they needed outside help subduing Necrozma.
They also said that Pokémon is the starter Pokémon for their dimension. But I wonder if there’s other starters as well.
There's a replacement we can use for Poipole however. It's Necrozma. So Necrozma has like 3 other forms but none of those are actually Necrozma's TRUE form. It could be argued that Ultra Necrozma is, in fact, it's true form but in the dex it says that form is "a new form that even Necrozma had never taken until now." So that kind of leaves a gray area of what Necrozma looked like before it's light leaked out so I mean it's not really a secret pokemon just a secret form that I hope we'll see in a future game sometime.
Yet poipole states in it evolved form are exactly as the starters based stats, not to mention its the weakest amongst the other ultra beast so it is possible there are others that are like the starters in there world.
The term Partner is often used in several pieces of Pokemon media (particularly the Japanese anime) to refer to someone's starter Pokemon or their ace (eg. Ash/Satoshi often referring to Pikachu as his partner and not giving the same title to his others). Even if Pokemon battling wasn't much of a thing in their universe, the dex entry still suggests it's the starter Pokemon for what tasks are often expected of Pokemon there.
Some of these are a stretch.
The dex entry for Magnezone says the attempt to evolve it failed, so there is no evolution that ever existed.
Corphish just got imported from another region as it is and it spread its numbers. There’s no suggestion it’s a different form. It’s like taking a Bulbasaur from Kanto and putting it in the wild in Sinnoh - it’s not native to the region but there’s no regional form
Was really hoping to see Cubone on this list. Cubone is so intriguing because the entire concept of the Pokémon is the trauma of its parent dying. What would this Pokémon be without that traumatic experience? The Dex entry implies that such a thing exists. Of course most of us think that goes into Kangaskhan. But still we don’t see the baby in the pouch as it’s own Pokémon and would be nice to finally have that connection more cannon.
It's strange, too, because we can, since Gen 2, produce Cubones whose parents are definitely _not_ dead.
The theory that’s going around is that cubone and marowak kind of split off from Kangaskan after the orphan thing
Even if not all of them are orphans by now
Could just be a game mechanic thing, really
I love the theory that all of the fossil Pokemon are only near approximations of their original forms. The reason they all have rock type is because they are still partially still fossils. I would love to see true forms of them via some sort of time travel mechanic. As Scarlet and Violet seem to be trying to do both past and future, I doubt they will dive too deeply into ancient Pokemon as it would favor Scarlet over Violet.
Now, if they do another Legends style game, we could see a time rift with new forms of the fossils.
Mega Aerodactyl is apparently more true to it's original self iirc
"the reason they are ALL rock types"
Gen8 fossils: are you sure about that?
@@henriquealves3086 The theory was before gen 8, but it could be that combining 2 different fossils provides enough extra genetic material to not be part fossil/rock.
@@godlyeffect8504 yup
Well that's true. Didn't someone mention how the process was still being worked on in the earlier gens? Maybe by later the process was improved.
One other interesting form (if it counts as one) that has been mentioned in the Pokedex is 3 headed Weezing. "Though very rare, triplets have been found" according to multiple of its dex entries. That'd be cool to see.
Koffing, Weezing, Chokking
dyying
@@HistoryandReviews that should be an extra evo like Annihilape or Kingambit
@@IkanaMaskedMan yeah. And maybe it has a crown as a play on choking snd ChoKING
They could have did it like they did with Dudunsparce
For the next video, you should include the "Original Dragon," which is the mix of Kyurem, Zekrom, and Reshiram
Yeah, I was surprised this one wasn’t mentioned. I know it’s not as “secret” as the other ones but I think it’s still interesting enough to at least mention
I was surprised it wasn't in this
I was surprised too
really hoping we see it one day in like a legends unova or something
@@Greenomb 434354333433334435e3334543344
Dunno if it’s been mentioned already but the Magikarp entry makes me think of the alpha Magikarp in PLA, because it is far stronger than regular Karp, but still easy to deal with. Thus only being slightly stronger.
Although, theres still normal Magikarp, so this old Magikarp has to be before LA, maybe atleast 300 years before?
My theory is someone encountered Basculegion and misidentified as Magikarp.
i think it would be cool if they do a reverse Magikarp/Gyarados thing where the olden time Magikarp was its stronger form and got weaker when it evolved
@@evenhartwick4422 but nobody would ever evolve it, Plus eviolite
I'm pretty disappointed we didn't get an Ancient Gastrodon in Hisui since that would have made most sense
In addition for Dreepy (since I know this video was released before SV came out), its Violet dex entry states
"It has a habit of biting at Clauncher even though it doesn't feed on them. This is said to be vestigial behavior from when Dreepy was alive."
Meaning that it was a predator that preyed upon Clauncher (and likely its evolutions hunted Clawitzer). This also means that Clauncher existed during the same time period as Dreepy's prehistoric form.
In the anime there was an episode where all of Kanto's/the city's (can't remember which) Magnemite joined together to create a giant eye-looking hive mind. Leading up to the conclusion of the episode Professor Cerise theorised they were about to evolve into something before being halted, that could link to the magnezone evolution somehow
With the introduction of paradox Pokemon, I'd love to see paradox forms for genesect. A past form, showing what genesect was originally, and a future form where it's become fully synthetic would be really cool!
I want a paradox magikarp nowwwww
Kabutops is the past variant and Genesect is the future. Just look at them you can see the similarities. We need the present form.
Look, I don't want to be that guy, but do you _really_ think they're going to revisit paradox Pokémon again considering the franchise's history with past gimmick Pokémon like ultra beasts?
Sorry if this comment came off as a bit rude, I'm just not sure if they'll revisit the idea of these guys outside of scarlet and violet.
Paradox for all the fossil pokemon since we know not everything was rock type back then.
@@strongest-avenger0096 kabutops is rock water and I dont see how it would gain a bug type so I think genesect was modified from a different and similar pokemon unless the rock type was forced onto it via fossil revival which i don't think is the case
For the Arbok forms, they could implement it by the pokemon's nature. There are (currently) 24 different natures that a pokemon can have, and the pokedex entry says that there are 'over twenty' different variations, so it could line up nicely with the pokemon's nature. It could also encourage breeding to find all the different types
Adding onto that idea, it could also be IV dependent, which could make it 24 variations + the additional 6 that is IV dependent combinations
problem is mints etc
@@nigelschonberger8022 mints dont actually overwrite the true nature, they just cover it with another so this really isnt the issue it might look to be
I remember the Dark Arbok from the old pokemon cards, it had a different pattern on it's chest
@@nigelschonberger8022 actually no, because changing a pokemon's nature with mints doesn't actually change nature, just the bonuses. for breeding purposes they still have their original one, and Toxtricity doesn't change form on using a mint either.
I don't think it's official canon, but there's a cool theory about Graveller/Golem swapping DNA with Machoke/Machamp when they trade. Hence Machamp having Graveller's extra arms and Golem gaining Machoke's lizard head. So I wonder what a un-spliced third evolution for these lines would look like?
I heard this before too, but its not like you have to trade a graveler for a machoke to evolve both. The gen 1 creators probably thought something like the dna swapping stuff would be cool but ultimately decided to scrap it, since you can see some resmblance to this in escavalier/accelgor.
I remember hearing theories that the red lines on Machoke's arms are its muscles expanding to accomodate for their increased physical power, which likely fits into this theory as well: Machoke gets dna from Graveler to solve the excess power issue by growing extra arms, however I fail to see how exactly getting Machoke dna affects Golem.
(also I'm unsure how Alolan Graveler/Golem fits into the equation)
@@SonnyFRST Five months later but-- it doesn't necessarily have to be an advantage, it could just be something that happens if they're just shuffling dna by accident. It doesn't give it any advantages, but you can definitely see how it would fit - it loses the extra arms and gains lizardlike features that it didn't have in its first two evolutions. Much like mutations in actual creatures, dna errors don't necessarily have to have an -advantage- to be visible!
@@vivaldi_is_dreaming Well if we're speaking strictly about reptilian features, Golem's exterior is actually a shell sort of like a turtle.
Great video! Another thing to consider are the Gen 8 fossile fragment pokémon (I hate them so much). There are 4 Pokémon (I think it were 4?) hidden right there and mutilated beyond any recognition.
If you take lore inspiration into account , there should be a kind-hearted dragon type Gyarados.
And I'm going to pet it..
some people have always believed that dragonite and gyarados flipped spots in the pokedex (gen 1 was kind of weird with stuff like that and butterfree/venomoth) and that magikarp was to evolve into dragonite originally and dragonair into gyarados
@@sapnupua5I understand what you're saying with the dex flipping, but design wise it doesn't make sense for Gyarados and Dragonite
@@sapnupua5Dragonite’s line is based on a Korean myth. It and Magikarp are as they always were intended to be
@@Gloomdrake gyrados is also based on a dragon, so itd still fit the myth
Not only did Gastrodon have a huge shell, but it (and Shellos) only ever diverged into two forms when Mount Coronet divided them, so historically there was a single variant of Gastrodon with a shell, which may or may not have lost it before its descendants diverged
This is neat to think about when you realize that Legends:Arceus has Mt Coronet so the original form of Gastrodon was WAY back
This is also neat because it follows a real life type of evolution called allopatric speciation
@Thomas Lilkendey evolution is very gradual. Before becoming different species, they will always become two different sub species. But the differences in the sub species is still a result of evolution
@Thomas Lilkendey yes accurate way to put it
It would really cool to see some of these incorporated into a potential Scarlet/Violet DLC. The original Magikarp/Dreepy/Genesect forms in Scarlet, and the successful future evolution, de-corruption and curing of Magnezone/Porygon-Z/Parasect respectively.
I dont see Magikarp getting regional variant because dataminers stated that it had a convegent version and not a regional variant.
You can't cure parasect, it's already dead
@@courage1363they were talking about paradox mons not regional forms. But agreed, probably not likely
I think Magikarp as a fossil pokemon would be cool
Poipole is probably not a traditional 1-of-3 starter, based solely on the typing and fact that it is a two stage evolution Pokemon. It's more likely that Poipole is like the Pikachu of its world, where it wasn't the normal starter but is very popular and counted among the starters due to a special circumstance.
Except instead of evolving into a cute larger version of itself, it becomes a giant nightmare elmar's glue wasp.
@@SolstaceWinters This is Pokémon, where a salamander with a candle for a tail can become a giant not-dragon. That's not the most bizzare transformation in my book.
In the Journeys anime there was an episode of a ton of Magnemite combining together and was going to create a new evolution. I mean 1000s of them! It was nuts. It didn’t happen but it was cool.
I think the PLA entry for Parasect is referring to Parasect corpses, with the soft mushroom having been eaten by other pokemon or withered/rotten away and leaving only an (empty) exoskeleton (hence unmoving. They could even still be twitching or otherwise moving depending on how their nerve system works). Mushroom-less Paras might be a thing, if there was a way to prevent the mushroom spores from infecting the paras egg/embryo/baby.
And I see Poipole more like an early-game bird/rodent/bug or Eevee than part of a starter set. Compared to the rest of the known ultra beasts, Poipole is a cute, easy to handle and relatively safe option to start with.
Poipole is also the only Ultra Beast (besides the Legendaries) to evolve.
Agree with Paras/Parasect, but, cannot agree with the Poipole part.
Poipole is actually to strong to be an early-route mon to catch. In reality, I feel like Poipole might actually have a pre-evolution we have never seen, as Poipole is as strong as MID level evolutions. Meanwhile, Naganadel is comparative in strength to the final stages of starters, not the final stages of early-route mons.
Paras actually can take off their mushrooms and pass it to other paras like how Hermit crabs pass their shells as seen in the anime
@@forgerofsouls9126 You also have to keep in mind that in their own world the Ultra Beasts are super common (save for Guzzlord I think). So trying to gauge the strength of an UB homeworld with the strength of Pokemon's world is quite flawed I would think. Poipole could easily be an early route mon in its homeworld. It could be quite weak at home (as evident that it lives in nests like an insect hive) but is quite strong outside of it.
@@callmesilver2683 just cause its in the anime doesn’t necessarily mean that they can, if it hasn’t been shown in the games then that’s not confirmed
If Poipole is a starter, the most likely scenario is that its counterparts are Grass and Ground-type to make a trio. Poison beats Grass, which beats Ground, which beats Poison.
Though it isn’t necessary that they have a starter trio, could be a duo or even just Poipole
@@matheussandbakk9959 yes
@@matheussandbakk9959 I did say "most likely". Trios are generally favored, but there's no reason why they'd need to be a requirement.
I've always just theory crafted the look of the other starters and also had the idea of the Grass, Ground and Poison core. But based on the Poipole evolving to Naganadel, it is essentially a big Bee or Beedrill haha. So I considered maybe the grass starter will be like a bird ultra beast resembling Fearow and the ground starter will be represented by a large rat as in Raticate. All of them evolve into Dragon types so each starter can fight back against the other.
@@minaashido518 Yeah like many Pokemon games only have one Starter or Two, however I’m pretty sure only Yellow and Let’s Go has the starter actually given by an actual Professor. In XD: Gale of Darkness, we know Eevee isn’t given by the region’s professor, but rather Michael’s (the progatonist) father
With Magnezone it’s more likely they tried to make it evolve beyond the natural limits of Pokémon possibly by making into a new subspecies or mega evolution.
Idk a recent Pokémon episode a wave from the sun made 1000 magnemite grouping up and almost evolved before ash stopped them
@@thebigl4855 sounds like an alternative evolution to Magnemite rather than Magnezone though.
@@thebigl4855 Was it a recent episode??
@@thebigl4855 Ash had to ruin everything smh. We could have had a megamagneton and he had to get in the way of progress
@@thebigl4855someone really needs to make a what if where that succeeds
THANK YOU for bringing attention to Gastrodon!! I have always had that entry in the back of my mind! I wish we could get a variant OR. A 3rd evolution! It’s one of my faves! 😍
I'd like the idea of there being a "Paradox" magikarp in some future DLC with features of Mega Gyarados
I’m surprised there isn’t one considering the Violet Pokédex entry for it references the past version of Magikarp.
I feel like a Porygon3 (coming out of Porygon2) could be really cool. Whilst still keeping the same colour scheme, it could look like a regular animal (duck?)/pokemon, perfecting what it was originally meant to be.
I think i would be a cool idea to create Porygon that actually fulfill thei purposes. So a space traveling and a dimension hopping Porygon.
A pink and blue typical bird in a duck type form but implies the graphics did improve so Porygon 3 is a switch graphics pink and blue duck.
I say Porygon3 would look similar to porygon2 but more aerodynamic so it can travel to space.
For the Paras/Parasect entries, I took it as baby versions don't have mushrooms just like how baby vulpix has 1 tail. The mushroomless Parasects sound like it dying/shedding and leaving behind a husk. This could mean a 3rd evolution where the Mushroom comes to life or a ghost version of Parasect.
Perhaps Paras shares an ancestor with Nincada (as they're both cicadas), which could allow for a rare ghost evolution.
Interesting. I read the Parasect entry in that they were simply stating that the mushroom less versions are unmoving because the mushroom was removed and so they are essentially brain dead. Though that could be to your point in that the mushroom grew strong enough so that it no longer needs the bug to exist. Maybe this could end up being similar to Ninjask where the Parasect could become a new Shedninja.
Ooh name it Sector 😂😂
@@n00blar2006 exactly. This would far be the first pokemon do evolve Vai death. My most recent favorite is Annihilape
Hear me out........could those mushrooms be toedscool
@@jarviscooper3215 I would say they are too big and a different kind of Mushroom. But if slowpoke can evolve by fusing with another pokemon idk why paras cant
You forgot dunsparce. In its Sword dex entry it says "This Pokémon's tiny wings have some scientists saying that Dunsparce used to fly through the sky in ancient times" this suggests another form
Haha you’d be suprised now to see it’s evolution
@@ryanrustvold5367 oh goodness... just found out about dudunsparce
...
I dont personally like it but oh well
@@capuchinosofia4771 basically bigger or something?
....it has tiny wings and it problably ised to fly. But due to evolution it has no reason to fly since it landed in a place where (in his generation) its easier to burrow underground and rravel than fly. Because of the mountains.
Never said it looked different.
Dunsparce has its wings. He just stopped using them he didnt look different.
@@phantom_servant7980 L O N G D U N S P A R C E
I really hope that we're getting more paradox Pokémon in future DLCs. There are so many Dreepy in Area Zero, I was so disappointed there was no paradox form of it.
we won't be seeing paradox pokemon after this. they were a gimmick for this gen alone based on the lore of this gen. technically, they don't even exist under normal circumstances, and really only live in area zero.
It's hypothesized that the reverse-fossilization process adds rock typing to prehistoric Pokemon.
If so, Kabutops and Genesect could share an original forme as well.
Also, where did you get the prehistoric Genesect art? It looks sick.
The Magikarp would even predate Hisui since we saw regular Magikarp there. Would love to see a Porygon 3 but it would need to be of similar stats to Porygon Z to be fair. Maybe a more defensive version
it could also be just a regional variant too. leaves possibility for a gyrados variant too without it being all over the world, it being more op than the normal one it already wreaks havoc regularly?
Or mayve Porygon 3 could be an evolution to Porygon Z, by purging the virus. And then its stats could either be an *extremely* offensive attacker or make it into a flat out *wall* of defensiveness
It would be nice to see them further explore the ancestral forms of Pokémon like they did with the Hisuian forms of some of the modern Pokémon like Voltorb
Here's another thought. Since Poipole is a starter, maybe where it's from there's an item meant to help it and its other starters to evolve to a third state.;)
Just because scientists tried to make magnezone evolve, doesn't mean that there's even the possibility of an evolved magnezone. They could have just been a group of idiots.
Corphish doesn't have to have a regional variant to be an invasive species. There are lots of pokemon that are the same form in whatever region they appear in. There's no mention of it adapting to new environments, just that it's hardy and works in many environments.
There's no reason to think that there are co-starters with poipole. The 3 starter choices are a quirk of game design to make the games more fun and versatile. That entry is likely just there to reference how friendly and trainable poipole is.
Along the lines of “ancient form pokemon”I was really hoping we’d get “Prime Pokémon” which was their ancient or original forms like the fossil Pokémon without the rock typing (or like Gastro) and see what they were like back when they roamed the world
In a similar vein to Arbok, one of the pokedex entries for mantyke states that they have different back patterns depending on the region where the mantyke is found.
the spindula pokemon actually have different patterns in gen 3. I wish they'd do the same with the other pokemon that they mention having multiple patterns
I kind of hope Scarlet and Violet explore this type of stuff in DLC given what we have seen so far in game thanks to Scarlet with a few select Pokémon.
Interestingly enough you can see Paras remove their Mushrooms in the first Anime Season, alongside several other flopped over Paras with their Shrooms already removed. This suggests that despite the Pokédex often depicting the relation between the Tochucaso and Paras/Parasect as parasitic, it actually appears that the Pokémon fully depends on the Mushroom to survive and reproduce, making the relationship more of a symbiotic kind.
Um, the shroom has apparently taken over parasect so...
@@adrianmcbride1666 Yes, but as Laventon's Pokédex Entry implies, it also absolutely needs that Mushroom to do literally anything, because if it develops without one, it just dies.
The way I see it is that Paras insect has a mutualistic relationship with the Paras fungi (like the fungi does most of the digestion and aids the insect's movement by being embedded in its muscles), whereas in Parasect the fungi acts more like a parasitoid and effectively takes over all the functions of the insect.
@@LuxurioMusicparasect has dead eyes too. The pupils are gone
Paras likely can do things on its own, the mushroom hasn't taken over it yet, and the fact that they're *Parasects* that lie immobile in forests, so Paras can survive and even reproduce on its own (there wouldn't be many mushroomless Paras otherwise), it's only when it evolves into Parasect that it actually needs the mushroom
You named your Torchic KFC…I’d call that shameful but then realized that I named mine Nugget.
In a really cool episode of the anime, magnemite almost evolved into a new giant sized pokemon that required fusing hundreds of magnemites together who had to first charge themselves with an entire city of electricity.
Unfortunately, the Paras situation would be a much harder situation to fix. Even if in the earliest pokemon game chronologically the baby-est Paras don't *seem* to have mushrooms yet, that's because the spores haven't yet grown. They are still there, just haven't become visible to the human eye.
Well if you see a mushroom, that is a fruiting body, with the rest of the mycelium being underneath. So the mycelium are present within the host organism before you see a mushroom
I feel like the paras prevo would have been a great way to show a Pokémon using a parasitic mushroom as a den that eventually takes over the host. This could be seen as a pure bug time originally and when it evolves and is taken over it gains the grass typing to reflect the internal change.
There's also the original forms of the other Prehistoric Pokémon (and I'm not just talking about the _Sword_ and _Shield_ shenanigans). Tyrantrum and Aerodactyl's Pokédex entries indicate there's a glitch in the resurrection process that results in the clones not appearing exactly as they were in-life.
tyrantrum's dex entry implies no such thing. the only one that KIND of does is it's ultra sun dex entry, and even then it just says it was covered in feathers, which more is a reference to how dinosaurs are related to birds. that means literally nothing.
aerodactyl MAYBE, but it's a very intense MAYBE because all of it's other dex entries make no mention of the "perfect specimen" that it's sword entry makes.
you talked about corpish being the first regional form as it is imported from another region, but I'd like to add two things: the first is that it may not have changed form after being imported, and the second is that this has likely happened before. in gen 1, there are pokémon that can only be found in the safari zone and nowhere else. this indicates that those pokemon are not originally from kanto, and were brought over and kept in a nature preserve, to not disrupt kanto's ecology -- like they do in real life zoos. so those may very well be the first regional forms, or at least the first pokémon that were introduced in a region that's not their original region, just like corpish. pinsir is a pokémon that gives credit to this theory, since it's based on a real life bug that lives in deserts and there are no deserts in kanto. scyther, in its turn, exists in hisui and has a different evolution, so we can assume that's its original region.
People claiming current gen designs are cuter are going to flip when they see the baby Nidoran designs from 1996 proving it was not a new design philosophy lol.
Surprised you didn't mention Complete Kyurem, the form before Reshiram and Zekrom fissioned off from it
Yeah, the “original” dragon or whatever. I could’ve sworn it was brought up more than once in the games.
EDIT: I don’t think it’s mentioned in the Pokédex, though.
That one's tricky because Kyurem wasn't designed with fusion in mind so it might be only retroactively connected to the others
Sizzlipede's and Skorupi's ancient ancestor could be Anorith and Armaldo! Anorith looks somewhat close to your interpretation of the ancestor's first stage.
less new pokemon tho
Mew
Makes sense about Dreepy, it's form greatly resembles the giant prehistoric salamander Diplocaulus.
Just want to drop a comment, I think you mis-interpreted the Parasect Pokedex entry. I think it meant that it was left unmoving because the mushroom was gone (possibly eaten by another Pokémon) and so it stayed there unmoving and dead. Hence giving credence to the idea that the Pokémon is controlled by the mushroom, since without the mushroom it was basically dead. I am also of the opinion that newborn Paras are not born without the mushrooms, but much like in mushroom that are still basically just a spore, the mushrooms haven't grown enough to be visible on the Pokémon, as they haven't broken through the outer shell, and every Paras that is born has thos spores on it.
I think the Paras dex entry isn't meant to imply a fungus-less Paras, and rather that other Pokemon eat the fungus (likely Stantler, which inhabit the same areas).
I will never forget in Pokémon yellow/red/blue when that random dude in Misty's city tell you that Raichu you traded him went off and evolved.
I remember that. I hope GameFreak remembers that eventually...
I really hope they make gorochu canon at some point but i doubt it
It's because the Raichu trade was originally a different Mon. They changed the Mon you traded, but didn't change the followup dialog.
I think that the idea of a whole game utilizing the Ultra Beasts as an entire Dex would be amazing. Maybe it could have a futuristic look to it mainly with the region or World you would be exploring underwent a cataclysm centuries earlier that mashed all the Ultra Worlds together into the region you explore. It would be a messy idea to organize, sure but I wouldn't expect it until at least Sun/Moon/US/UM remakes come out, it could be their Legends Arceus title, Legends Necrozma or something, maybe make the big light dragon the centerpiece of why the world is the way it is. Hell it could even be Ultramegaopolis or whatever it was as the main/starting town
All of the ultra beast designs are incredibly creative and interesting. I'd love a whole dex
Poipole as a starter? that's an intriguing concept considering that Poipole is the only Ultra Beast that has an evolution (even if it's just a single stage evolution. Now I'm wondering what the 2nd stage evolution would look like if Naganadel could evolve).
Now how would a Pokemon game set in Ultra Megalopolis/Ultra Space look like?
Who would be the starters (aside from Poipole)?
What pokemon would there be to catch/befriend there?
Would there be a Pokedex?
What would the story look like, Legends Arceus-style, or mainline-style?
How would the obedience mechanic look/behave?
It shocks me how much you sound like poketips lol.
That is a good thing! Love your narration and plenty of details on subjects.
Keep it up! Earned my sub 💯
I’ve wanted a porygon-3 for years, would be such a cool mon
Me too, me too
If you think about porygon should have so many branch offs and extra installments like theyre iPhones or something.
@@PaintedHoundie that’s what they did to my guy rotom
@@PaintedHoundie Introducing the New Porygon-14 Ultra
But, like, doesn't it already exist? Team Rocket made it, then it was saved, it's programming changed, so it wouldn't be forced to do evil things, and then it became Porygon Z. But Team Rocket called their form Porygon 3
What about the ancient Tao Dragon?
We know that Kyurem, Reshiram and Zekrom were originally one Pokemon. When the brothers it followed grew apart, it ripped itself apart to follow them both, leaving it's body behind in the form of Kyurem.
We also know that Kyurem can absorb Zekrom and Reshiram back to regain it's powers. But we have only seen it absorb one of them.
I personally hope that we get to see it in the Gen 5 remakes
The pokedex entry for magnizone can be explained easily by them referencing the next game's generation's gimmick bring mega evolution. We know gamefreak plans these games years in advance so it's not out of the realm of possibility that, they could have originally planed a mega magnizone but ultimately scraped it in development leaving this as the only reference.
on the official Pokémon RUclips channel it’s says in Magikarps song “Maybe in ancient times
It was really strong
That’s what the rumors say
But they’re probably wrong”
So it’s possible that pokedex entry is speculative or a total joke on Magikarp.
For what the Legends Arceus entry implies, more than a "Mushroom-less Paras evolving into a Mushroom-less Parasect", it's that the Mushroom-less Parasects are dead, just corpses. So the mushroom goes to inhabit other specimens (probably splitting into smaller ones or something to invade baby Paras) and leaves the original host rotting.
Toxicroak and Seismatoad were mentioned to be similar species in the Sword and Shield Pokedex entries, which kinda implies that them and their pre-evolutions are likey more closely related to each other than they are to other amphibian Pokemon, such as the Poliwag line or Mudkip line( which mostly based off of Axolotls), their ancestors could have even diverged into the Pokemon that would eventually become them or at least co existed alongside each other.
I think you mean wooper, not poliwag. But yeah, I agree!
Can't believe... The true dragon wasn't mentioned in this video, it's really one of the other most commonly known secret pokemon since it is a huge plot point in B/W/B2/W2
commonly known secret... like vegan meat... cold fire...
Commonly known “secret Pokémon”
Dreepy was definitely a diplocaulus and that’s cool as hell!
Paradox Magikarp called Floppy Fish
Lol
I love that you predicted the ancient form Pokémon from Scarlet and Violet right!
I think there’s a chance for dreepys past form to be seen in scarlet/ violet. They have been confirmed in the latest trailer, and they did reveal the past / future forms of pokemon.
The game's been datamined, so the answer is already out there. If you're trying to go in spoiler free, be careful.
@@EitherProductions yeah I’m avoiding spoilers as much as possible
Are we sure Dreepy isn't just Armaldo?
@@jacobblanton5179 typing doesn’t match.also dragapult doesn’t have big claws like armaldo. They’ve also never shared a region
Maybe Magnazone was an early reference to Mega Evolution.
Yeah the Gen 5 remakes may update the dex entry to mention mega evolution.
Seeing Corphish and Crawdaunt having “hidden” forms makes me happy, as those two are among my favorite Hoenn Pokémon.
I bet you loved when their hidden ability made them actually GOOD
Regarding Magikarp, it could actually be that the Dex entry is referring to Gyarados. Which sounds disappointing at first, but it might actually paint a very interesting ecological picture.
Pokémon ecology does get weird and challenging to talk about, thanks to evolution, but I'll try my hand. Suppose for a moment that Gyarados was the original form, just by itself. Magikarp then emerged later-in a similar manner to how Baby Pokémon occur. However, Magikarp proved to be such a successful form (likely due to resource efficiency or better reproductive performance, I'd hazard) that it eventually evolved (in the Darwinian sense) to become the regular unevolved form of Gyarados-eliminating the need for whatever item was originally used.
Whether this survival strategy was just adapting to their environment and better reproductive competition, or perhaps was some biological stroke of luck during some great disaster or mass extinction that enabled the species to survive is hard to say. It also begs the question of whether the Gyarados of today are unchanged from their ancient ancestors-I imagine most would suggest (accepting everything thus far as true) that the Gyarados of yore were the stronger ones, though I myself am fond of the idea that this specialization of the species has enabled those few Magikarp that do become Gyarados to grow even stronger than they once were.
The mushroomless specimens lying unmoving on the forest floor are probably either dead or molted shells.
I'm thinking for the poipole one, the other starters types are grass and ground, poison-->grass-->ground, they are the only type matchups I could think of so it's interesting to me
One more. Scarlet and Violet have past paradox forms, they should have made an ancient Magikarp. Boosted stats, good typing, even make it good competitively! It would have been awesome!
The paradox pokemon as such a wasted concept. Could have had magikarp, genesect, dreepy, the SwSh fossils, ect. Even the future ones could have had a stable Porygon Z.
Y'know, there is that goldfish legendary. So maybe that's where Magi descended from?
@@bradleythomas3 ok
For magnezone maybe they were hinting at a possible mega evolution that got scrapped?
It would also be cool to see “regional variants” of porygon, where you can get different “upgrade” items for it depending on what region you’re in.
Region exclusive items to evolve or change the forms of Pokémon like rotom and sinistea would be interesting too.
Isn’t crawduant just an invasive species? The “turned up in the wild” just means the ‘pets’ got out and over ran the environment. This is like how Coperoja is not from Galar; it’s not a regional variant and was just brought there (maybe from an India based region)
Remember though, the Pokédex isn't pure truth from the developers, it's canonically just data collected from trainers and professors. These are just pokémon that are thought to exist in-universe.
No trust me bro the 10-year-old s got this info on lock
I always viewed it as in the distant past (prehistoric maybe) magikarp had a much stronger form aka gyrados. And it essentially devolved over time into the weak thing it is today, but luckily it can still evolve into its strong form again with training and experience
I think the Corphish line and its regional variant parallels invasive species irl, especially with the line about it greatly increasing its population. A lot of invasive species have to change and adapt to new environments they’re brought into, mimicking evolutionary traits of species around it. I’d be curious to check their catch rates to see if similar to irl they overpopulate areas and start killing off native species either by predation or more commonly food competition. Little swamp nerd rant there but it’s an interesting concept to bring up in Pokémon
Never knew the Pokedex has so many secret Pokemon
I think you misunderstood parasect’s entry, it means the Pokémon dies without the mushroom not that it can live with no mushroom
It was a huge missed opportunity in Legends arcus that they didn't make Magikarp far more powerful.
a while ago, i did actually make a concept for a mushroom-less paras and its evolution. since paras and parasect are based on cicada nymphs, i imagined the shroomless paras being a bit larger than the shroomed version (due to the extra nutrients it has to grow), and then evolving into a new form at level 40: cicasect, a bug/dragon type with the ability soundproof.
that's actually so cool! did you ever make any concept art? I'd love to see it!
13:40 I think the intended meaning of the dex entry is that they found dead parascets without mushrooms, which was confirmation that the mushroom was piloting them.
Although that doesn't dispute the existence of living mushroom-free paras/Parasects. What scarred me about the entry was the that they never explained why they didn't have mushrooms. They could have been eaten, but then why was the bodies left alone? I propose the (highly unlikely) idea that once the mushrooms get big enough, maybe they turn into a whole new pokemon detaching from Parasects body and scattering into the wildness.
The idea of mushroom-free paras/Parasect is much more wholesome and I do prefer that over living monster shrooms.
Since Magikarp is based off a koi that became a dragon I think the stronger version of Magikarp and it's evolution should be dragon type to be a bigger nod to the inspiration to the pair, and maybe have this unseen Magikarp and it's evolution have different colorations if it's found in different areas as a nod to koi fish having so many colorations themselves.
Magikarp does have plenty of colorations thanks to Magikarp Jump. Just transfer them over to a new game.
With the Dreepy line it could actually imply 2 possible alternate Pokemon. What it was like in the distant past, but also a possible Fossil Pokemon variant. Probably Rock/Dragon if following the classic Fossil Pokemon trend.
With that thought process you could maybe include all the Fossil Pokemon on this list if you follow theory that the reviving process isn't perfect and alters their appearence. (Most noteably woth Aerodactyl)
Also facinating going back and watching these months or years after they were originally uploaded. Seeing what predictions come true or not.
You missed the point of the Magnezone and Parasect entries. The Magnezone entry is just their way of reinforcing the "3 stage is max stage" rule. The Parasect entry is just stating that the mushroom has moved on and left behind a husk/corpse of the adult paras. Either due to being eaten by something else, or the host dying outright. The Paras entry doesn't state "IF" just when. So the real story behind the Paras line is that they're entire species are just doomed to forever sprout mind control mushrooms and die.
imagine a very strong prehistoric Magikarp that cannot evolve in Scarlet, and a stronger futuristic Gyarados in Violet
That would be awesome ngl
The magikarp now feels like a missed opportunity for scarlet and violet
I am interested in extraterrestrial Pokemon and the species that they would call trainers on their home planets. Poipole does imply that it's a starter Pokemon to something.
Humans are a weird exception in the Pokemon world, being so closely related to pokemon and either intermarrying or having previously been Pokemon themselves (depending on how you chose to translate that text).
Pretty sure people are pokemon too. Think of the anime, flamethrower to the face results in a soot coating but no damage. In the Johto games a team rocket member is merely dazed from a dragonite hyper beam. In the shadow games Wes took a straight up haymaker from a Makuhita and barely flinched. These are not Homo Sapiens.
@@Skullhawk13 Yeah, I think it's similar to humans in fantasy settings where they really wouldn't be considered human because of how different they are from us.
I do like to think that humans in this world are descended from Pokemon. It is weird that humans are the only species in the setting to not hatch from eggs (as far as we know).
Maaan, they really should've used that Magikarp entry when they made Legends Arceus. Hisuian-Magikarp with beefy stats, then turn Gyarados into a proper psuedo-legendary.
I like the idea of the video.. will that ever happen..? Probably not!! But for someone who took the time to read each pokemon dex entre and provide visuals for what they would have looked like.. GOOD JOB MAN!!
I love the arbok patterns. Hope to get a regional
Would been dope if for Scarlet/Violet DLC they add these as Paradox Pokémon
If the alternate universe also has 3 starter Pokémon, with Poipole being one of them, and if they also form a rock-paper-scissors relationship, then we can assume the group consists of a Ground type, a Grass type and Poipole.
If they are also equal in power level and evolve just once, then we can deduce there is an evolution for these implied Pokémon that may or may not add a secondary type.
Considering Naganadel's secondary Dragon type also having an advantage over Grass type, then the Grass type's secondary type (if any), might be Water or Ice for the offensive advantage over Ground starter; Bug or Flying for the resistances. Though I think Ice is unlikely because it would give Grass starter an advantage over both other starters and, while that isn't unheard of (Sinnoh starters, for example), I think it's not a good idea.
The Ground type starter's second type (if any) would be Psychic (offensive advantage); Rock, Steel or Ghost (resistances). We know Naganadel is part Dragon type, so we can also use that to deduce any other type that may be added when taking Naganadel into account. That would add Ice as a possibility.
The hypothetical starter trio would be:
1- Naganadel
2- One of the following:
Grass
Grass/Water
Grass/Ice
Grass/Bug
Grass/Flying
3- One of these:
Ground
Ground/Rock
Ground/Steel
Ground/Ghost
Ground/Ice
What about Ground/Fairy for an immunity, just like Grass/Flying has?
I really appreciate the footage used during Magnezone, that had characters name Haruhi and Mikuru
Paradox Pokémon from the past interest me more because there’s a chance to see these lore entries and current fossil Pokémon in their true forms