Cubone and Marowak absolutely still deserve that final evo. It locks in the kanga connection, its a terrific design and it rounds out the line's "story" as it were
No, it makes absolutely no sense for cubone to have the skull already.... I think it's better thinking that the cubone marowak line is what happens when baby kangaskhan loses his mom too soon.
@@reitairue2073 In fairness, the official backsprite might not even be carrying a baby, it certainly seems to have something going on - either very weird arm or carrying something - but it's impossible to make out if there is a baby. let alone if such a baby is wearing a skull. I do agree that that particular aspect of the fan art doesn't make sense but the actual pokemon itself seems really cool.
Gorochu would work really well as mega or form change. A regional variant of Raichu or a split evo could work to but it really does look like a upgrade/evo of Raichu.
I was thinking a regional variant that is Electric/Fighting type. Using it's powerful tail to fight with and explaining why Pikachu has a higher physical attack stat compared to the special stat.
They were probably cut the first time just for time or space or something and then revisited for Gen 2, but again cut once they conceptualized the legendary beasts
this would also suggest that the legendary beast of gold silver and cristal might have had an evolution line beside the idea that they are effects of revived eeveelutions.
They said Gorochu got cut for balance reasons. Gen 1 does not have any 3rd stage electric types. Maybe they were worried that electric types were too powerful, or that Zapdos was enough.
Give the player access to an electric type for misty if they're lucky or if they get stuck griding viridian forest for Brock with a Charmander, so they don't get frustrated and quit at misty. Don't give them a grass type yet, that comes north of misty, assuming they grind, and we want the player to get a reduction in difficulty, not a change to easy mode. Then don't teach them that it can evolve until stone evolutions are introduced with electric types at Surge. We also want the charmander trainers to get a weakness if they over leveled by the time they reach surge by ignoring the grass type and the electric type grinds.
Wild to me they didn’t revisit Omega when they came up with the Paradox Pokemon. Just make it a robot Kangaskhan from the future and have its lore be that it was supposedly created to be a robotic nanny.
Those games are 26 years apart and even more considering that Gen 1 was in development years prior. The people working in scarlet and violet are not the same people who worked in gen 1
I kind of like the idea of ponyta first being a normal horse. That then turns into fire type. It captures a unique sense of wonder. You see this regular horse that most people would and often do just walk by but for those who tame it are graced with a beautiful and 'rare' fire horse. I personally think that would have definitely make that evolution line stand out against all the other pokemon both back then and now.
Tyranitar is apparently based on an "official Fakemon" Junichi Masuda designed for a magazine article. He said that they weren't supposed to be any actual Pokemon but "maybe something from an alternate reality." One of them very obviously looks like Tyranitar though. Another one looks like Tirtouga, and was most likely the inspiration for it.
My wife, who runs an Etsy shop where she makes plushies, got a request to make Raitora and Flambear. So if you look them up, you can own a physical version of a couple of these Pokémon
@@Dylan-jp9mr I keep trying to post the link, but I’m not sure it’s sticking. Her shop is called FluffyNugCrochet, and if you search Raitora plush it’s the only one in existence lol
@@kimolingo the name of the Etsy shop is: FluffyNugCrochet That’s my husband who mentioned me lol, he said he tried to post the link but it wasn’t working 😆
I've seen some of these designs, of course, but never saw anything quite so well presented as this. I think about half of these were new to me, as well. I appreciate you putting this together!
I read from dr lava with newer translation that rhydon, lapras & clafairy are the first 3 pokemon ever designed & other sources that basically say pokemon were originally kaijus & more monster like
Atsuko couldn't have been more wrong. Taking a little, scrappy pokemon and watching it get stronger and better with time is one of the most satisfying things about the games.
Knowing wartortle was not intended to evolve into blastsoise makes so much sense. Even as a kid I always thought those two never made sense as an evolutionary line
@@truly_sonic7410 idk squirtle gets those ears and wavey things then just loses them for cannons ? Never made sense to me. Not to mention the head shape is completely different on blastoise compared to the other two.
I wish they would gradually bring these scrapped Pokémon back - new designs are cool and all, but restoring cut designs is awesome. HAL Laboratory did it with a concept Meta Knight design, repurposing it for the character Morpho Knight.
Barunda might later on having inspired Drifloon as well. Kotora line is 100% in the game now. Just look at the stripes on its back and compare those with the Litten line - exactly the same Look at the tail and the stripes compared to the Litten line - exactly the same.
There's only so many ways you can draw a cartoony cat with stripes. It is highly unlikely any of the scrapped Gen 1 pokemon were providing inspiration further than Gen 4.
4:25 I highly doubt "Mikon" means "three fox barks" and I wonder where that translation is coming from..? It's just the number of tails: three-tails, six-tails, nine-tails. 5:00 That's Gyopin not "jaiopin" - gyo means fish, not goldfish, and pin is pin. 7:35 "Gyaohn" not "Gayuhn". I wonder if it turned into Tyranitar? Anyways, we can only hope we'll get more "leaks" in the future, because these designs are really intersting. I hope we'd see some of them make it someday.
"Kon" can be used as an onomatopoeia for the sound of a fox, though it's not really a bark per se. So the "Mi" can be goroawase reading of 3 and "Kon" would be a "fox bark" but I don't really think that's the intent.
He mispronounced it, it's pronounced more like "Puchicorn". Like in unicorn. And puchi/pucchi is just how Japanese people write and pronounce "petite". So if its name was unchanged and just localized, it would've probably been called Peticorn or something. But most Pokémon have completely different names in Japanese and English, so probably would've had something completely different.
honestly even with these leaks im still surprised just the fact that gengar was the only planned ghost type. Honestly i wouldve preferred if blastoise was its own line if i had to be honest since being the squirtle line ending with blastoise has always felt really weird and i wouldve loved to see wartortle’s ears and tails be more expanded since seeing it just turn into cat ears and a basic tail has been a bit dissapointing for me also kottorra shouldve been in the game such a loss
It's because the gengar line was really supposed to be ghosts, and not necessarily a whole type. Similar story with the dragon type. It was designed to be unique.
There is one blurred out Pokémon that might’ve been Twinz, who appeared in the Gen 2 beta leak and are clearly ghosts (though it was Normal/Dark in the G/S beta, Dark didn’t exist in Gen 1 so it likely would’ve been a Ghost Type.)
Maybe the third evolution of the electric tiger was cut from Gen 2 because of Raikou, perhaps they cut the third evolution (and probably the entire line) because it would be too similar to Raikou.
Since all mon were originally going to have three forms and we know some scrapped content was reworked and reused in later gens, I’m convinced that Ho-Oh is a rework for a Fearow evo. The head and giant wings are very similar.
Gorochu having been considered and designed but ultimately scrapped probably explains why that one person who wants to trade on Cinnabar Island says the Raichu you traded them evolved. It's kind of strange, having Pikachu evolve via Thunder Stone then Raichu into Gorochu via trade, but that dialogue was probably left in there by mistake as obviously, Raichu does not and has never evolved further and we instead later got Pichu, but what if? What if instead it went Pikachu, Raichu, Gorochu? That dialogue from the person on Cinnabar Island who wanted to trade saying the Raichu you traded them evolved would be telling the player that that's how you do it, and I don't recall any other NPC in Gen I saying how certain Pokemon evolve. And I remember being driven nuts by it. Why bother trying to catch and evolve more than one Pikachu except to trade Raichu to that person, only to have them tell you if speaking them to after the trade that it evolved and no matter what you try, the one you still have doesn't? It just doesn't. Infuriating. Oh, and don't get me started on Pikablu, which later turned out to be Marill. That's what for the longest time when Gen I was all we had that people first thought Raichu was supposed to have evolved into, even though it made no sense for it to have gone from Electric-type to Water-type, and then after Gen II was revealed but before it launched what Marill was supposed to have been called. Now, having learned about Gorochu, I don't dislike Pichu, they're actually cute, but we got robbed and the dialogue from that one NPC in Gen I drives me nuts all over again.
I like it better if the Pikachu line had a unique way of evolving. Instead of leveling up, they have evolve in unique way. For example, Pichu evolves into Pikachu when his friendship is high, Pikachu evolves into Raichu when using the Thunderstone, Raichu evolves into Gorochu when being traded.
That dialogue is not a result of them scrapping Gorochu- That dialogue is the result of that trade being changed in the international version without also changing the dialogue. In the original Japanese Blue, it was a Kadabra for a Graveler, both of which evolve by trade. In the international version, it was changed to match the original Japanese Red and Green- Raichu for Electrode. Also "Pikablu" was never related to the Pikachu line. Marill wasn't even blue when it was first designed, it was pink.
The species table in gens 1 & 2 is still laid out in order of implementation (the gen 2 pokemon were inserted wherever gaps existed in the table from gen 1) so you can actually see what order pokemon were added to gen 1
That's not true for Gen 2, only Gen 1. The index number of Gen 2 matches the pokedex number, barring a few glitch pokemon and the Bad Egg present after Celebi
Early designs of Politoed from the gen 2 scratchpads show a front sprite with a topknot and red cheeks like the two sumo frogs in the gen 1 beta. I'm guessing it was a blastoise-like situation where one line was cut because there was already a frog line. That said, I don't think any of their DNA survives in the current politoed design.
Just letting you know Ultraman and Pokemon have a lot more in common than you think. the whole monster coming out of tiny object thing came from UltraSeven. the sequel series of Ultraman.
those last two that you mentioned (evolved wartortle/pre-evolved blastoise) is actually really good for explaining how some of these cut mons did eventually make it into the games, just in different ways; for example, the Kotora/Raitora line very clearly serves as design inspiration for Alolan mewoth/persian, and was probably cut after being redisigned into Raichu (this would also explain why the first 2 evolutions were still in the gen 2 demo files but the 3rd is missing). The "chinese water dragon" line imo might've been an early iteration of the bulbasaur line, especially looking at that first back sprite, which seems like it has the line's iconic flowebud on its back (and maybe even explains the "-saur" suffix when most people agree the line looks more froglike). Its also likely that Tyranitar (in addition to Subby) was developed from Gyaoon, esp given Game Freak has made at least 3 different mecha/robot forms of it, similar to Omega.
You can even see how some of the scrapped ones inspired later Pokemon like the Yeti one looking a bit like Abomasnow in terms of color or even the thunder tiger being a start point for the Luxray line.
I easily liked and subed for driving home that the amazing images are SPEULATIVE. Thank you! People spread these like they are fact, and while they are fun, this is inappropriate for providing of any information. I thank you for your respect to make sure viewers know.
I remember reading a videogame magazine back then, before Gold and Silver were released, that had concept art for some of the new Pokémon. It was a magical time.
The problem is, that's just an artist's rendition. The front sprite looks ridiculously close to Wartortle already. I wouldn't be surprised if they were worried that it just looked like "Bigger Wartortle" (which they already did with the Bulbasaur line).
just to be contrarian and silly: imagine they didnt use elephants design until gen8 for copperajah, or gen9 for great tusk and iron treads (THIS IS ALL A JOKE THOUGHT)
Since the Kantonian Meowth has a pre-evolved form, what happened to Alolan Konya and Galarian Konya, the pre-evolved form of Alolan Meowth and pre-evolved form of Galarian Meowth. I want to see Alolan Konya and Galarian Konya.
Let's face it. Kotora, and Gorochu would both be terrible in modern pokemon. Back before the special split, they would be great. But physical electric types are terrible
@@ceulgai2817 i think you need to google things before you post them. Raichu has 90 attack and 90 special attack. He has always been a mixed attacker. You do realize that physical electric moves did not exist until gen 4? His attack stat was mainly used for normal moves or dig/irontail.
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TWO SLIGHT GOOFS IN THE BEGINNING.
Psyduck Evo and magnemite Evo are supposed to say MIDDLE EVOLUTION and NOT pre evolution.
Actually, it was originally 300 before it was cut down to 190 but only 151 was decided
@@ianhardy9375 250-300 planned originally, 190 made and put into the games code
@@kimolingo sounds about right
You should do cut pokemon for gen 2
@@ianhardy9375I will! :)
I love that early Pokemon had really creative names like Deer, Elephant, and Seel
At least we do got Persian and at least we do have a pokemon named Seel.
It was a shock for me, as a Portuguese speaking person, when I found out that Pokemon names were simply English or Japanese words.
@@GaryNacyes, the Pokémon still being named seel is the joke...
Tbf it sounds more exotic in Japan in the same way Shika, Zou and Azarashi sound unique to the west.
@@solentforest yeah but they have different names in Japan
Cubone and Marowak absolutely still deserve that final evo. It locks in the kanga connection, its a terrific design and it rounds out the line's "story" as it were
Agree
No, it makes absolutely no sense for cubone to have the skull already.... I think it's better thinking that the cubone marowak line is what happens when baby kangaskhan loses his mom too soon.
@@reitairue2073 agreed
@@reitairue2073 In fairness, the official backsprite might not even be carrying a baby, it certainly seems to have something going on - either very weird arm or carrying something - but it's impossible to make out if there is a baby. let alone if such a baby is wearing a skull. I do agree that that particular aspect of the fan art doesn't make sense but the actual pokemon itself seems really cool.
@@Slayerlord13 Okay fair, I was going off the fan art lol
i want gorochu. WE WERE ROBBED.
Unless raichu gets a mega we ain’t getting it unfortunately.
They should have made it a Paradox mon. :/
A Pokemon x Mortal Combat crossover would be amazing, they're both fighting games, it could work.
@@misteral9045 we have pokken
Seriously. Gorochu looks dope as hell
I 100% clicked on this video under the assumption it was a list of Pokemon from Gen who could learn the HM 1 Cut.
I was pleasantly surprised
After rereading the title I see how you came to that conclusion.
I laughed out loud
same :(
Lol same
A tier list of that would be interesting
Smh. You really should work on your critical thinking
Gorochu would work really well as mega or form change. A regional variant of Raichu or a split evo could work to but it really does look like a upgrade/evo of Raichu.
I was thinking a regional variant that is Electric/Fighting type. Using it's powerful tail to fight with and explaining why Pikachu has a higher physical attack stat compared to the special stat.
I want him so much!
Megas, regional variants and the like are a crime against God. This is Pokémon, *not* Digimon. Repent.
Fire electric or electric dragon
I'm wondering if maybe the idea for Kotora and Raitora wasn't abandoned completely, instead becoming the basis for a bigger electric cat - Raikou.
They were probably cut the first time just for time or space or something and then revisited for Gen 2, but again cut once they conceptualized the legendary beasts
This is very possible!
They coexist with early Raikou in the gen 2 betas. Though Raikou looked different then.
They were in the gen 2 beta so they got shelved twice
this would also suggest that the legendary beast of gold silver and cristal might have had an evolution line beside the idea that they are effects of revived eeveelutions.
They said Gorochu got cut for balance reasons. Gen 1 does not have any 3rd stage electric types. Maybe they were worried that electric types were too powerful, or that Zapdos was enough.
Give the player access to an electric type for misty if they're lucky or if they get stuck griding viridian forest for Brock with a Charmander, so they don't get frustrated and quit at misty. Don't give them a grass type yet, that comes north of misty, assuming they grind, and we want the player to get a reduction in difficulty, not a change to easy mode.
Then don't teach them that it can evolve until stone evolutions are introduced with electric types at Surge. We also want the charmander trainers to get a weakness if they over leveled by the time they reach surge by ignoring the grass type and the electric type grinds.
You can get oddish or bellsprout above Cerulean without fighting Misty
@@MeanderingSlackerif you had to grind to beat misty you shouldn't be playing the game regardless who you started with .
@@bobbybobstar1496 The times were different in the 90's, the children were small and stupid. The only thing we knew was dragon go fire.
Are there any 3rd stage electric types in the entire game?
3:37 Magnemite rocking that BBL
Wild to me they didn’t revisit Omega when they came up with the Paradox Pokemon. Just make it a robot Kangaskhan from the future and have its lore be that it was supposedly created to be a robotic nanny.
They kinda did with Iron Thorns
Those games are 26 years apart and even more considering that Gen 1 was in development years prior. The people working in scarlet and violet are not the same people who worked in gen 1
I think it was the main inspiration for Paradox Tyranitar.
I kind of like the idea of ponyta first being a normal horse. That then turns into fire type. It captures a unique sense of wonder. You see this regular horse that most people would and often do just walk by but for those who tame it are graced with a beautiful and 'rare' fire horse. I personally think that would have definitely make that evolution line stand out against all the other pokemon both back then and now.
The name “Puchikoon” would’ve got millions of children sent to the principal’s office
Its the latanized japanese name, it likely would be called a different name if localized
Why do I like that Zubat pre evolution so much lol I'd call it "boobat"
Baby zubat!!
Zubat is my favorite early game flying type, I know what you're saying!
I have always thought Gayoon became Tyranitar. It's supposed prevo has Larvitar vibes as well.
Absolutely, especially since Tyranitar is evocative of Godzilla as well
@@333PunkRock Tyranitar looks way more like Bemular from Ultraman than Godzilla.
Tyranitar is apparently based on an "official Fakemon" Junichi Masuda designed for a magazine article. He said that they weren't supposed to be any actual Pokemon but "maybe something from an alternate reality." One of them very obviously looks like Tyranitar though. Another one looks like Tirtouga, and was most likely the inspiration for it.
My wife, who runs an Etsy shop where she makes plushies, got a request to make Raitora and Flambear. So if you look them up, you can own a physical version of a couple of these Pokémon
Link?
People are gonna wanna see this!
@@Dylan-jp9mr I keep trying to post the link, but I’m not sure it’s sticking. Her shop is called FluffyNugCrochet, and if you search Raitora plush it’s the only one in existence lol
@@kimolingo the name of the Etsy shop is: FluffyNugCrochet
That’s my husband who mentioned me lol, he said he tried to post the link but it wasn’t working 😆
@@kimolingoit’s FluffyNugCrochet!
I so want Mikon and Konya as baby pokemon, they're so cute!
I've seen some of these designs, of course, but never saw anything quite so well presented as this. I think about half of these were new to me, as well. I appreciate you putting this together!
Thank you so much! I'm very glad you enjoyed it!
Incredible how the art based on the Deer seems like a fusion of hitmonlee, kangaskhan, smearlgle, stantler...
I read from dr lava with newer translation that rhydon, lapras & clafairy are the first 3 pokemon ever designed & other sources that basically say pokemon were originally kaijus & more monster like
Dr.Lava has done an INCREDIBLE job in covering lost pokemon content, anything you read from him is very credible
edited like a true magician, such a shame some of these never made the cut when they looked so promising. FreeZeti, Kotora & the GOAT Crocky ofc
Atsuko couldn't have been more wrong. Taking a little, scrappy pokemon and watching it get stronger and better with time is one of the most satisfying things about the games.
More respect to the artists of Pokémon. Imagine making 200+ designs for them to cut over 50 of them.
That thumbnail reminds me of one of those stroke simulation photos where everything looks eerily familiar but you can’t actually recognize anything
This is going on the list for best comments I've seen on my videos
Knowing wartortle was not intended to evolve into blastsoise makes so much sense. Even as a kid I always thought those two never made sense as an evolutionary line
What???😂
They made sense to me tbh
Hm...
@@truly_sonic7410 idk squirtle gets those ears and wavey things then just loses them for cannons ? Never made sense to me. Not to mention the head shape is completely different on blastoise compared to the other two.
Unpopular Opinion: I would rather have had Wartortle's original evolution building on the features it was growing instead of Blastoise.
I wish they would gradually bring these scrapped Pokémon back - new designs are cool and all, but restoring cut designs is awesome.
HAL Laboratory did it with a concept Meta Knight design, repurposing it for the character Morpho Knight.
Crocky? More like Cracky.
I love some of these old designs. They're adorable.
Love the banjo Kazooie music, didn’t realize how much I needed the crossover of my two favorite franchises 🥲
I thought I was the only one who noticed 😂
It's worth looking in to Guaoon being reused as Tyranitar
Oh man, Dark Electric pikachu evolution would have been awesome! Imagine if Pikachu was like Eevee and had multiple final evolutions.
Lol before I clicked on the video I for some reason thought it was going to be a video of all the gen 1 pokemon that could learn Cut. I'm faded
You must be really starved for content if you clicked for that reason lmao
@@stoopidapples1596 you have no idea.
[imagine a video here]
bulbasaur, ivysaur, venusaur, charmander, charmelon, charizard, beedrill, sandshrew, sandslash, oddish, gloom, vileplume, paras, parasect, diglett, dugtrio, bellsprout, weepinbell, victreebell, tentacool, tentacruel, farfetchd, krabby, kingler, lickitung, tangela, scyther, pinsir, kabutops, mew
@FissionCube is that really all the gen 1 pokemon who can learn cut? You really did that for me?
@xParaLyZe Blueboyphin has done an excellent job diving into Pokémon facts, definitely recommend checking his channel out!
Barunda might later on having inspired Drifloon as well.
Kotora line is 100% in the game now.
Just look at the stripes on its back and compare those with the Litten line - exactly the same
Look at the tail and the stripes compared to the Litten line - exactly the same.
Lost weight and changed type
@@Venemofthe888 and changed big cat its based off
There's only so many ways you can draw a cartoony cat with stripes. It is highly unlikely any of the scrapped Gen 1 pokemon were providing inspiration further than Gen 4.
4:25 I highly doubt "Mikon" means "three fox barks" and I wonder where that translation is coming from..?
It's just the number of tails: three-tails, six-tails, nine-tails.
5:00 That's Gyopin not "jaiopin" - gyo means fish, not goldfish, and pin is pin.
7:35 "Gyaohn" not "Gayuhn". I wonder if it turned into Tyranitar?
Anyways, we can only hope we'll get more "leaks" in the future, because these designs are really intersting. I hope we'd see some of them make it someday.
No one asked
Bet bro took like a hour to type that but then got destroyed in seconds
@@StoneTheCr0w I asked.
"Kon" can be used as an onomatopoeia for the sound of a fox, though it's not really a bark per se. So the "Mi" can be goroawase reading of 3 and "Kon" would be a "fox bark" but I don't really think that's the intent.
@@RaphaelWiggumno you didn’t lol
That concept art at 1:48 is straight up Fuecoco vs. Munkidori.... like seriously its frighteningly close.
9:36 Crocky? More like Cracky. Homie is wired
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Puchikoon’s name would’ve definitely needed reworking in the West 😂
Honestly I feel like we need this pokemon!!!
I just really dislike certain colors of people!!!
Coochiepoon
Kuchipoon... No wait, that's much worse.
He mispronounced it, it's pronounced more like "Puchicorn". Like in unicorn. And puchi/pucchi is just how Japanese people write and pronounce "petite". So if its name was unchanged and just localized, it would've probably been called Peticorn or something. But most Pokémon have completely different names in Japanese and English, so probably would've had something completely different.
The cut version of Wartortle’s evolution was pretty decent, love the extension of its tail
I wish there is Mega Totartle and Gigantamax Totartle.
Sneaking a hidden Pokémon is clever mew is perfect in design. Not sure if others think it’s design holds up. But I still love it.
I’m pretty sure Crocky has seen some sh!t!
The raciebeep art is top notch. Really outstanding work.
Ngl could make a whole new region and game out of scrapped pokemon
honestly even with these leaks im still surprised just the fact that gengar was the only planned ghost type.
Honestly i wouldve preferred if blastoise was its own line if i had to be honest since being the squirtle line ending with blastoise has always felt really weird and i wouldve loved to see wartortle’s ears and tails be more expanded since seeing it just turn into cat ears and a basic tail has been a bit dissapointing for me
also kottorra shouldve been in the game such a loss
It's because the gengar line was really supposed to be ghosts, and not necessarily a whole type.
Similar story with the dragon type. It was designed to be unique.
@@Ezullof Makes sense for gengar but honestly the dragon really did seem it was meant for some scrapped mons and even for others
There is one blurred out Pokémon that might’ve been Twinz, who appeared in the Gen 2 beta leak and are clearly ghosts (though it was Normal/Dark in the G/S beta, Dark didn’t exist in Gen 1 so it likely would’ve been a Ghost Type.)
That magnimite pre evolution better chill 😅😂🍑
Not ever getting Garochu still hurts me in my 30 year old bones
Maybe the third evolution of the electric tiger was cut from Gen 2 because of Raikou, perhaps they cut the third evolution (and probably the entire line) because it would be too similar to Raikou.
Great video! This video has some tidbits ive never heard of. And great editing!
Thank you so much!
Likeable video for the sheer fact of providing sources in such thorough way!
Since all mon were originally going to have three forms and we know some scrapped content was reworked and reused in later gens, I’m convinced that Ho-Oh is a rework for a Fearow evo. The head and giant wings are very similar.
How good would a Pokémon game be set in an area populated by lost/requested Pokémon
I love the Banjo-Kazooie music in the background! You've unlocked a core memory lol
I wish gorochu was in the games, I love it so much
So basically all of these could be brought in to modern gens instead of tea cups and food and stuff
Gorochu having been considered and designed but ultimately scrapped probably explains why that one person who wants to trade on Cinnabar Island says the Raichu you traded them evolved. It's kind of strange, having Pikachu evolve via Thunder Stone then Raichu into Gorochu via trade, but that dialogue was probably left in there by mistake as obviously, Raichu does not and has never evolved further and we instead later got Pichu, but what if? What if instead it went Pikachu, Raichu, Gorochu? That dialogue from the person on Cinnabar Island who wanted to trade saying the Raichu you traded them evolved would be telling the player that that's how you do it, and I don't recall any other NPC in Gen I saying how certain Pokemon evolve. And I remember being driven nuts by it. Why bother trying to catch and evolve more than one Pikachu except to trade Raichu to that person, only to have them tell you if speaking them to after the trade that it evolved and no matter what you try, the one you still have doesn't? It just doesn't. Infuriating. Oh, and don't get me started on Pikablu, which later turned out to be Marill. That's what for the longest time when Gen I was all we had that people first thought Raichu was supposed to have evolved into, even though it made no sense for it to have gone from Electric-type to Water-type, and then after Gen II was revealed but before it launched what Marill was supposed to have been called. Now, having learned about Gorochu, I don't dislike Pichu, they're actually cute, but we got robbed and the dialogue from that one NPC in Gen I drives me nuts all over again.
I like it better if the Pikachu line had a unique way of evolving. Instead of leveling up, they have evolve in unique way. For example, Pichu evolves into Pikachu when his friendship is high, Pikachu evolves into Raichu when using the Thunderstone, Raichu evolves into Gorochu when being traded.
I like it better if the Pikachu line is 4-stage evolution, just like Zubat and Magnemite, who are 4-stage evolution.
It would be interesting if 4-stage evolution can rival the power of the Legendary Pokemon.
That dialogue is not a result of them scrapping Gorochu- That dialogue is the result of that trade being changed in the international version without also changing the dialogue. In the original Japanese Blue, it was a Kadabra for a Graveler, both of which evolve by trade. In the international version, it was changed to match the original Japanese Red and Green- Raichu for Electrode.
Also "Pikablu" was never related to the Pikachu line. Marill wasn't even blue when it was first designed, it was pink.
The species table in gens 1 & 2 is still laid out in order of implementation (the gen 2 pokemon were inserted wherever gaps existed in the table from gen 1) so you can actually see what order pokemon were added to gen 1
That's not true for Gen 2, only Gen 1. The index number of Gen 2 matches the pokedex number, barring a few glitch pokemon and the Bad Egg present after Celebi
Early designs of Politoed from the gen 2 scratchpads show a front sprite with a topknot and red cheeks like the two sumo frogs in the gen 1 beta. I'm guessing it was a blastoise-like situation where one line was cut because there was already a frog line. That said, I don't think any of their DNA survives in the current politoed design.
Damn I thought this was like “Pokemon who could learn HM cut in gen 1” and still clicked I love you vids so much! Your idea was way better tho lol
These are better than most of the new designs.
Great use of visuals! Love it!
Just letting you know Ultraman and Pokemon have a lot more in common than you think. the whole monster coming out of tiny object thing came from UltraSeven. the sequel series of Ultraman.
This was so cool. Thanks for the video! Right in the nostalgia.
If they expand on Paradox Pokemon in later gens it would be cool to see some of these designs brought back.
Gotta be honest. I am pretty glad a lot of these were cut
I wonder if Gyaoon and it's pre evolution became either larvitar and tyranitar. It also looks like nidoking and Nidoqueen too
those last two that you mentioned (evolved wartortle/pre-evolved blastoise) is actually really good for explaining how some of these cut mons did eventually make it into the games, just in different ways; for example, the Kotora/Raitora line very clearly serves as design inspiration for Alolan mewoth/persian, and was probably cut after being redisigned into Raichu (this would also explain why the first 2 evolutions were still in the gen 2 demo files but the 3rd is missing). The "chinese water dragon" line imo might've been an early iteration of the bulbasaur line, especially looking at that first back sprite, which seems like it has the line's iconic flowebud on its back (and maybe even explains the "-saur" suffix when most people agree the line looks more froglike). Its also likely that Tyranitar (in addition to Subby) was developed from Gyaoon, esp given Game Freak has made at least 3 different mecha/robot forms of it, similar to Omega.
Crocky, more like cracky.
Grunty lair (underwater) in the background is great!
3:35 DAYYYUUUMMM
You can even see how some of the scrapped ones inspired later Pokemon like the Yeti one looking a bit like Abomasnow in terms of color or even the thunder tiger being a start point for the Luxray line.
Love this art style. Pokémon designs have been radically changed but this is cute. ❤
I easily liked and subed for driving home that the amazing images are SPEULATIVE. Thank you! People spread these like they are fact, and while they are fun, this is inappropriate for providing of any information. I thank you for your respect to make sure viewers know.
These look way better than modern designs. If they’ve gotten so lazy then why not just use these. There were plenty good tossed ideas
womp womp
You have nostalgia glasses.
These artists did an absolute beautiful job
I remember reading a videogame magazine back then, before Gold and Silver were released, that had concept art for some of the new Pokémon. It was a magical time.
magnemite banned for carrying WAY too much cake
Kotora for Gen 11, you cowards!
Why 11 I want it for gen 10 lol
I remember as a kid my cousin trolling the early internet n printing out pages of supposed "cut out" pokemon from gen 1, n none of them are here 😂
Mewthree was real, world just isn't ready to hear about it
oak the "professor" thought there were 150. he had no eye on history or even on the present
the baby meowth’s floating coins were likely intended to just show different coin designs they could go with on his head
The evolved line of warturtle is sick
I've never been a fan of Blastoise, so that evo looks so much more fitting imo and I'm sad it's not the real one :(
@@bubbles5306 same
@@bubbles5306 all of a sudden nobodies a fan of blastoise
The problem is, that's just an artist's rendition. The front sprite looks ridiculously close to Wartortle already. I wouldn't be surprised if they were worried that it just looked like "Bigger Wartortle" (which they already did with the Bulbasaur line).
just to be contrarian and silly: imagine they didnt use elephants design until gen8 for copperajah, or gen9 for great tusk and iron treads (THIS IS ALL A JOKE THOUGHT)
Mikon (3)- Vulpix (6) - Ninetales(9)
Sad it really fits though
That one guy on Cinnabar Island has the only Gorochu.
gotta hate how instead of bringing any of these back as originally designed they came out with an ice cream pokemon
Great info! Thanks for making this 🙏
Konya is so baby, we were ROBBED
Since the Kantonian Meowth has a pre-evolved form, what happened to Alolan Konya and Galarian Konya, the pre-evolved form of Alolan Meowth and pre-evolved form of Galarian Meowth. I want to see Alolan Konya and Galarian Konya.
We were robbed of the regional variant of scrapped Pokemon such as the pre-evolved form of the Galarian Ponyta.
Great vid, i love the mystique of the secret 'mons
Freezeti would have been a better option to include in the games instead of Jynk and it wouldn’t have caused controversy
Idk I can still see some big blackface minstrel 'lips' on Freezeti...
11:03 my theory is they were supposed to be the prototype pokemon for poliwhirl and poliwrath
More like magthickmite
Wicked video man. Gorochu is cool as fuuuuuuuaccckkkk lol
Neat video, but good lord, the pronunciation of the names is painful
Oh no! Anyways
back when pokemon look like pokemon, now pokemon look like digimon
The more baby pokemon cut from the game the better imo.
The Banjo Kazzooie music was a great choice on the editors part.
Let's face it. Kotora, and Gorochu would both be terrible in modern pokemon. Back before the special split, they would be great. But physical electric types are terrible
Physical Electric types were terrible back then too
@ceulgai2817 they literally did not exist. Electric is a special type and they all are special attackers from gen 1-3
@@thefreshvince879 Raichu is a physical Electric type. What are you on?
@@ceulgai2817 i think you need to google things before you post them. Raichu has 90 attack and 90 special attack. He has always been a mixed attacker. You do realize that physical electric moves did not exist until gen 4? His attack stat was mainly used for normal moves or dig/irontail.
Jaggu beats sharpedo
2:15. I choose you! Go go gangnam style!
The fact they keeped Jynx over some of these ...
Not too much on Jynx. She's a queen
I really like your artwork for Freezeti. It could be a legitimate Pokemon in the next gen.
0:24 that's complete BS because Mewtwo is based on Mew.