Videos left until the audio is fixed.... 3. I realized it wasn't the Mic settings that messed up the sound like I thought, it's that my camera somehow set back to default & was recording the audio through the camera instead of the microphone 😑 lol. SORRY!
This is why we love you Abbey! You do the research! I’ve tried on my own so many times to get definitive answers and now for the month of September 2023 I feel I am as informed as I can get until there’s more data. Thank you 🥰
I appreciate your due diligence on this Abby. Too many creators just don't give out correct information or care that what they post could literally be harmful to some people. And this why I love your content, because its researched & correct. And updated when needed 😊 I personally have been using biosannce copper peptides & squalene along with tretinoin 0.5% for a year now with no issues, and I've got dry sensitive skin to start off with. Keep up the good work 👏
I appreciate your integrity. While I think any of us could make similar assumptions, the fact that you were mortified and not only corrected yourself but provided us with multiple references for our own follow up speaks volumes.
@@elliegreen7647 I apply copper peptides at night. Ideally, I apply it an hour or so before Tret to avoid any potential interactions. I'm still reluctant to apply copper peptides alongside vitamin C serums (ascorbic acid) as they tend to be formulated with a low pH, whereas copper peptides serums tend to be formulated at a neutral / slightly alkaline pH.
I have used my Multi-peptides + Cu with tretanoin .05% and started with .025 before, with zero issues. I know that copper peptides MAY increase flushing in the skin, thereby increasing efficacy and side effects of Tretinoin. I'm older and my skin rarely flush/blushes. I will continue to use it together💗💗💗
TY, TY, TY for all your investigations! Very helpful. Please don’t be embarrassed by short, natural nails. They are not ugly. As a young RN, nail polish & long nails used to be strictly prohibited. We are so fortunate to have use of our hands! I write this with a warm hug. You have a very interesting and informative channel. I look forward to your postings and have come to know your expert guidance. I use Tretinoin and Ordinary copper peptides in my night routine and now breathe a sigh of relief. 😅 Keep it coming!!! 😊❤ PS I did use Revitalash and developed dry eye. Very uncomfortable! 😢
If you're interested in fermented ingredients like galactomyces, you should definitely try Numbuzin skin softerning serum It has both galactomyces and bifida ferment filtrate
This is awesome, Abbey! I feel like The Ordinary can be overly cautious in their recommendations when it comes to listing potential contraindications between their products (e.g., niacinamide and vitamin C), and I had a hard time finding good straightforward information regarding safe/effective use of copper peptides. This is the first video I've seen that actually took a deep dive. Thank you for taking the time to do this!
Thank you for showing publicly that we can always learn more and educate ourselves. Appreciate your ethical and unbiased approach and can tell you care about your viewers!
I appreciate how you’re framing this. As with many things, generally people can get pretty intolerant when companies change their stance on something. It’s so important that when the body of knowledge grows, we are able to pivot and accept new conclusions that may not align with previous ones. Sooo many people point fingers and I just love that you’re not bashing them here. Knowledge, science, medicine, these are all constantly evolving topics. I did take out peptides immediately when I saw your post, and I’m not totally sure where they will fit in moving forward and I now have a vitamin C im really enjoying (anyone else like the Mad Hippie?). As always, your attention to detail is just SPOT ON ❤ And go Steven for all the info!
Thank you so much for this video. I've been doing the same thing (just with vitamin c in the morning and copper peptides and tretinoin in the night) since I found the vids by Doctorly and Dr. Dray where they both said they saw no prob with CPs and Tret that I left you in the comments on your last skincare routine vid. I've had no irritation whatsoever and they both seem to be working great! Thank you so much for all your research and all your sweet anxiety about possibly giving us inaccurate info. You are amazing, Abbey. We really trust you so much (at least your real ones do!). We all have learned so much from you and starting using amazing products because of YOU. We trust that even if you make a mistake, you'll correct it. And we trust that you would never "sell us" something that you didn't love yourself just to make money and screw us over. You're the best! PS I've lived in Madison for the last 12 years. Go Badgers!
All I can say is, ”DANG….your dedication is real!” Thank you for doing the research that we all want to know about but are too overwhelmed and confused to follow up with 😂 -Love from another Twin Cities girlie ❤
why would you say your natural nails look hideous? as long as they are clean and healthy they look good. We wouldn't say that to a little girl so why say it to ourselves? xoxo
I was having problems with something oxidizing in my skincare routine & giving me an orange tint around my hairline, so I did some research. I came across the topic of mixing copper peptides with vitamin C, & that was definitely one of the issues. Another problem was too high of a concentration of niacinamide as well. Once I stopped using the Biossance Squalane + Copper Peptide Rapid Plumping Serum in the morning with my vitamin C, as well as dropped my niacinamide percentage from 10% to 4%, & I don't have the oxidation problem anymore.
@@JustaregularoldplumbusI know that you didn't ask me lol. But I've seen loads of knowledgeable people say that around 4% of niacinamide is the sweet spot! 10% has the potential for irritation and the possibility of issues. Niacinamide is definitely one of those ingredients where less definitely is not more. Hope this helps💕
That is some serious dedication to your skin. I have issues I'd like to correct with my skin but there's just no way i could financially dedicate this much product to my face. I do think I'll look into apostrophe and maybe i can at least clear up my facial redness. I do wear spf 50 every day but i seriously have to like run to the bathroom and very quickly remove my sunscreen and makeup while my toddler is occupied and the mornings are unpredictable in nature. If i don't have time to put on my sunscreen i keep extra in my purse and take care of it at work. Thank you for all you do!
I usually don’t stick to the same skincare routine every day. I kind of have a skincare cycle. Some days I use my acids then the next day vitamin C Then peptides and so on. I try not to mix things too much because it gets too complicated.
@@okipullup6316but its better to pick a few ingredients that is scientifically proven to work and just use those forever..be super consistent.. if you keep switching a bunch of diff ingredients, youre wasting your time I use to use AHA, BHA, retinol, niacinamide..and it was more expensive, and slow to show any result Now I use tretinoin and urea, generic.. its way cheaper than my old routine +5% niacinamide toner twice a day. Thats all i use now and its super cheap
@@okipullup6316also with tretinoin, the result will be better than combining a bunch of different ingredients.. Tretinoin will transform your skin in just 4-6 months
Thanks for the clarification! I use Niod's CAIS and that product is so pricey there is no way I'm risking having at it denatured or rendered ineffective even if some formulators argue it's technically possible. I think that ultimately this comes down to us being reluctant to have a simple routine. It's ok to just use copper peptides as a single serum in a routine and alternate other ingredients on other days/nights. ❤
I used to use NIOD’s copper peptide product too (I went thru 3 bottles). Eventually I finally decided to try the Ordinary’s version instead-I wanted to see if I noticed any difference since Niod’s is so much pricier. After going thru 2 bottles, I have to say that while copper peptides definitely have a positive effect on my skin overall, I can’t see any difference since I changed to the less expensive product. Just something to consider! (For reference, I’m in my late 30s , and have a fairly in depth skincare routine, maybe a bit less involved compared to Abbey’s-hope you find this helpful!)
@ynnaz06131986 Hey, I've tried the Ordinary's version too, and quite like it 🙂 I guess Niod edges out in my preferences because I have very oily skin and the thinner formulation of CAIS sinks into my skin a lot better. But I agree that the Ordinary's is a great option for those that want a more affordable yet still effective formulation.
Thank you so much. As a new derm PA, I love having this evidenced based advice with expert input. I feel like your channel is an actual resource I can turn to to develop solid advice on skincare tips for patients with cosmetic questions
Just my $0.02 re: using copper peptides and retinoids together: I have been using the Medik8 Liquid Peptides serum (which contains copper palmitoyl heptapeptide-14), and I contacted Medik8 directly about using this product alongside tretinoin at night. They said that it was perfectly fine to layer this product under/over tretinoin or any other vitamin A product (such as their crystal retinal line) as long as the skin tolerated it, and that there shouldn’t be any sort of clash between the ingredients. So far, I have been enjoying using the two together!
Hi Abbey, you MUST SEE "The Budget Dermatologist's" video from a few months ago named: 'Beware: Lash serums & side effects....' where she interviews an ophthalmologist on the risk of lash serums + alternative solutions!!! It's really good & informative 😊
We need more research on cosmetics/skincare and dry eye disease. Im in my early thirties and have severe dry eye disease and can't even wear contact lenses at this point. "Eye school with Dr D" has some interesting videos about it.
I'm so sorry to hear about your dry eye disease. I know it's painful. I love Dr D's channel. I avoid anything with retinoids & the preservatives phenoxyethanol & ethylhexylglycerin near my eyes. They've all been shown to destroy the cells of the oil glands of the eyes (in living cell, test tube research). Lash growth serums with those preservatives are a big no-no for me.
I understand this, completely! I have severely dry eyes as well. I had laser eye surgery back in 2005 and that made my eyes very dry. I had to quit wearing contacts too. I also have MGD disease (oil glands blocked or clogged), and ocular rosacea/chronic blepharitis. Yikes!! I have to use Refresh PM ointment that's how bad mine is! 😑 It sucks!! Just a tip. I take omega 3's twice a day and that can help with dry eyes. It does for me. Take care.
Yeah what is up with that. My eyes dried up in my 30s while the rest of my face remained combo/oily. Maybe this is karma for me being one of those flippant "you don't need a separate eye cream~" types of people in my 20s lol. I even stopped wearing mascara and eyeshadow at one point because it got so bad. Now I can do it once in a while if I baby my eyes the days before and after.
@@Faithandlove24 I have severe mgd as well. Omegas help me some as well.. I also do warm compress massage and preservative free eye drops multiple times a day.
@@Emmie1 same! I'm still on the fence about eye creams and even if I were going to try some idk what ingredients are even "safe" for around the eyes. As of now I'm using vanicream moisturizer but it has bht which I'm not sure is okay for the eyes.
I have been using copper peptides since you started using it on your channel…in all of my research online, contacting The Ordinary directly and speaking to my dermatologist all of them advised against using Ascorbic Acid in the same routine but encouraged the use of Vitamin C derivatives with copper peptides…I am now using a derivative GOODAL - Green Tangerine Vita-C Dark Spot Care Serum in the same routine with great results. For background I was using the Timeless Vitamin C and introduced the copper peptides and was having some strange reactions on my skin (odd color and smell on my face) within a week which prompted my research. Thank you for clearing things up on your routine and info about using hypoclorous acid. I introduced that product into my routine awhile ago without doing any research! I will have to make some changes now and will try using it midday as you suggested. So much to learn here thank you!
FYI for anyone considering a lash lift and tint, you don't need to use lash GROWTH serum if you do a lash lift and tint. in fact, it's recommend you don't use it for 10 days prior and 10 days after depending on the product used. I've been an esthetician for 4 years, and I've used multiple lash lift brands (just incase anyone is curious on my background). What I usually recommend my clients to use are lash serums that target nourishment. I love the WB&Co one, I also love plain ol argan or jojoba oil because they're light. Some of my clients swear by coconut or castor, which is not my cup of tea but their lashes are still strong and healthy after multiple lifts and thats all Im looking for. Some lash lift brands have their own nourishing products as well, and those work jamazingly-but usually come at a higher price tag.
Abbey love your deep dives into the science. I also learn a lot from Angie at Hot n Flashy. Her dad is a cosmetic chemist so her content regarding skin care ingredients is also very researched.
I use vitamin c in the morning. Then I'll spray the hypoclorous acid on my face, neck and chest after my workout in the late afternoon/early evening. It helps calm my skin from the heat and flushing and helps with breakouts. And I feel like spacing them out in this way won't cause issues with my morning skincare that I applied hours ago. Win win!
I can’t thank you enough for this video. I wanted this info so so badly. I am beyond thrilled that I can now use my vitamin c again in the morning and copper peptides and tretiinoin together in my night routine. The exact routine I love but avoided. I hope I have it all right, it was a lot to grasp. Again Thank you
Abbey, I really like No 7 vit c capsules. They are 20% ascorbic acid with vit e and single use, so the vit c stays stable. The serum feels like silk! Very affordable, especially on sale.
I like the itemized list format at the round up of all of your routines! I can't wait for your research into Vit C! There's so many new forms of Vit C that are very stable and lipid soluble.
The essence of healthy toner works amazing for me and I’m surprised more people don’t talk about it. I’ve never used the SKII and I’m not even sure if I should try it now. I’d be curious to hear your comparison on them if you ever decide to try it. I am on my fifth bottle of the essence of healthy and I have seen visible brightening in my skin. So much so that I stopped using vitamin c because in the Florida weather they always oxidized quickly on me. I use the psa skin visible improvement for my antioxidants instead of vitamin c. Thanks so much for your honesty and integrity!
I had never heard of it I'm so glad I saw the comment!! Good idea- I got footage of my skin before to capture afters, but I'll also get afters when I try that too!
I noticed more visible brightening/ evening of tone with the physicians formula essence than the Neogen real ferment micro essence. Crazy. Too bad I ran out and have a ton of Neogen left to finish before I repurchase PF lol. I really hope they don’t discontinue it. It’s hard to find
tbh i’ve used the ordinary lash growth and it works for my lashes and eyebrows. i’ve also used etude house’s lash growth serum before and that also works, both don’t have prostaglandins. if anyone wants to try lash growth serums without prostaglandins and haven’t found success in the ordinary they can try asian beauty brands because there are a bunch like rom&nd, canmake, clio, holika holika, heroine make, majorika, dhc, shiseido… just double check ingredients but i’ve found prostaglandins in lash serums to be a western thing
I've had *very* thin and weak nails my entire life and I recently decided to start a nail routine! I purchased a metal cuticle pusher, Sally Hansen Instant Cuticle Remover, OPI Nail Envy Nail Strengthener, and some Biotin supplements and the results are absolutely blowing my mind with how long and healthy my nails are from these products! The routine itself is so simple, one to two times a week I will use the Sally Hansen Instant Cuticle Remover to push back my cuticles, I never cut anything off, and then I'll apply 1 - 2 coats of the OPI Nail Envy Nail Strengthener, and in a few days when that starts chipping is when I know it's time to remove the OPI Nail Envy Nail Strengthener with nail polish remover and start the routine over again. And of course Biotin every day :)
LOVE THIS VIDEO! I will say though about the SKII essence; Galactomyces is actually just the genus of the fungi, and there are dozens (if not hundreds) of different species like the Pitera that SKII has trademarked. The other products you mentioned have a type of galactomyces ingredient but they aren't actually required to disclose which species they're using, and the different species do have different effects on skin. I have found SKII sadly works a lot better than any of the others I have tried, but for some people the COSRX one works better so its really all about your skin type. But they really are two different ingredients. Aliceintherabbithole has a great science-based video on the SKII essence.
Hypochlorous acid works by oxidizing anaerobic bacteria, a similar mechanism to benzoyl peroxide, which also oxidizes/cancels out antioxidant skincare ingredients. Instead of a hypochlorous acid spray, I use a benzoyl peroxide gel as short contact therapy before washing my face with a gentle cleanser so that it doesn’t interact with all of my antioxidant products
I am using tretinoin 0.5 with copper peptides with no issues in same routine from a month without any issues, my skin is looking far more radiant and healthy.
I think the best approach is to rotate. Keep in mind you can still get the full benefits from using most products a couple times of week. The only two that I feel make sense for every morning are vitamin c or other antioxidants and sunscreen because you need protection every day which those provide. Everything else you can rotate. If anyone is curious I can break down my routine on how I rotate. You can also use products that don’t play nice together if you wait 30 minutes between application. For example on my days off (that’s when I have time) I will apply SA, wait 30 minutes then put on my vitamin C.
Knew I had heard it from 1 of the dermatologists here on youtube or Penn Smith, Master Esthetician, so went and looked. Derm Review has a study showing that l-ascorbic acid, once applied, absorbs right into your skin and remains in the skin for 72 hours. I've been alternating mornings: one day L-ascorbic acid routine, next morning copper peptide routine. If l-ascorbic acid is in the skin working for 72 hours after application: alternating seems a good option for me :)
I love that you read your comments and address them! I had some of these questions so I appreciate it so much! You’re such a go to for recommendations ❤
I love you Abbey but do we need so many products? I can’t afford that many - could you do a save or splurge version like you did with your hair products? Or what products you would say were the most important? Thanks for such an informative video - your skin and hair are glowing. Also thank you for being so true and honest and real with us ❤❤❤
You definitely don't need them all! I just love testing out products so I go crazy with skincare haha. I am definitely planning to make an affordable only skincare routine! xoxo
Thanks for the update. I think like most science, more knowledge and more studies mean things change. you were operating on the best knowledge you had at the time and I really appreciate the time you took to not only research and talk to experts in the field, but to then film a well thought out update.
Anecdotal, but I've been using Latisse for over 2 years, and I've had no issue with side effects. From my understanding, the side effects people are scared about happened when the drops were being put directly into the eye for glaucoma. Latisse for lash growth is put on the lash line and can not be compared to the drops being put directly in the eye. I believe Dr. Dray has a video on Bimatoprost in depth.
This is really interesting to me. I’ve used revitalash for 3 years and never had any side effects at all. I’m SUPER careful and apply the tiniest amount (like I wipe the brush off completely) so that it doesn’t get on my skin much or in my eye at all. I get my eyes checked annually and I’m always told my eyes are healthy. 🤷♀️
Vitamin C in the morning(Geek and Gorgeous), SPF cream during the day(you have many options here), retinol at night(Avene: retinal). And a good cleanser (CeraVe) moisturizer (with hyaluronic acid& niacinamide:Avene Activ B3 for example). That's it! But don't expect miracles, you will just get better looking skin. I gave up on thinking that it would improve my wrinkles a long time ago!!! Peptides are trendy, but they don't have enough scientific backup yet, so if you don't want to complicate your routine you can skip them and just use the ingredients I mentioned above. Hope you find my response useful ❤
Tretinoin...definitely. Start at .025 if necessary. I'm 68 and started at .05 years ago. I constantly get complimented on my skin. Seriously. Tretinoin. (NOT retinal products, but Tretinoin, the real thing) Vitamin C, Antioxidants, Peptides, especially Copper Peptides. Good Moisturizers, oil to top it off at night. It's never too late and this IS a simple routine.
Abbey, you are a Godsend! I've been using copper peptides along with my retinoids with no issues for a while now, so I'll freely continue to do that! Thank you for clarifying everything for your viewers!
Gothamista confirmed the same. I asked this question from her in comments, where she talked about her evening routine, if it is ok to use copper peptides + retinoids in same routine. She said yes, it is fine, she is doing it and the only thing is if your skin is irritated by this combo, then don´t, otherwise, go ahead. She is using those 2 in the same routine and her skin looks so good.
Great video, Abbey! The Dime Beauty lash growth serum is another prostaglandin free serum. I personally can't use it because of acne rosacea and blepharitis (any eyelash serum besides straight castor oil makes my lids itching and swollen - the blepharitis,) but at least it's another option!
Omg I used latisse and bimatoprost and others for 6 years and had no idea how badly it messed the skin up around my eyes and still does. I had alot if facial fat loss from it as well
I use copper peptides in the morning and tret in evening. In morning vitamin C derivative works because as per ordinary no direct vitamin C should be applied
I have decided not to use any of the contra indications with my copper peptides. I use the Deciem version and for that price I am not going to use anything which could damage the efficacy of my copper peptides.
My derm recommends me to use vitamin C at night with retin A and copper in the mornings. He said vitamin C has been shown to make retinoods even more effective when combined.
I know this is an old vid but it just popped up in my feed. On the cuticle treatment part, I have found amazing results using castor oil! I use it daily and wow the difference in my nails being so much stronger! Also for healthy nails try using dazzle dry nail polish system. I’ve been using it for years. Your nails will thank you!
Great educational video! Thank you! ❤ I’m with Dr Luke on hypochloric acid, knowing that it is a prooxidant (a LOT of disinfectants are, it’s part of why/how they work) it’s only logical to hypothesize that using it with antioxidants may be contrainductive (sorry, English is not my first language, I might be wording that wrong, but I hope you the reader understand what I’m trying to say 😊)
As a lazy cuticle girlie who does my own nails. I use the Vaseline lip oil and then schmear the rest on my cuticles after. But I have tiny bottles of oil and lotion everywhere so I can moisturize and then use a drop of oil no matter where I am.
My experience with using a lash serum (I think I used the same one as Abbey): first off, it discoloured my eye lid. I had a brownish line, kind if of like a subtle eyliner where I was applying it. Not a biggy but still weird. Then, when I ran out of the product and didn't purchase a replacement, all my newly super long and georgeous lashes fell out. It wasn't like I lost all my lashes at once, but it was rapid and concerning and not at all fun. So yeah, never again. It's not worth it. Edit to say the same thing happened to my sister
Thank you for making this video. It shows so much goodwill, and gives me a lot of respect and trust in your channel. It really answered some exact questions I had, and I really appreciate that you were avid in finding answers. Thanks!
Thank you so so much for this video! Love your due diligence on skin and hair care as always. I’ve been using copper peptides in the am and tretinoin in the pm for a few months now and it’s made such a positive difference to my skin without any issues 😊
Thank you so much for being so thorough! It is so helpful to have a creator who is willing to make corrections based on scientific research because her followers have questions. I think I'm going to switch up my routine a bit as well now. I'm currently using a copper peptide solution in the AM and because of that, I discontinued the use of vitamin C. Now I'm going to reintroduce vitamin C and move my peptides to the PM alongside my Adapalene. I do use the Good Molecules Overnight Exfoliating serum 2x per week so that will replace my peptides and Adapalene two nights of the week. And I will use my hypochlorous acid spray midday to refresh. Now I'm off to buy some Vitamin C!
This is a great video! Thank you! I have sensitive skin and have been using anti-aging skin care for 5 years. My skin was fine with ascorbic acid until I started using tret. Then it caused too much irritation, but tret did miracles for my skin. Now I use the vanicream vitamin c with THD and that is a non irritating and a non acidic form. I love it. That said I've been using the ordinary buffet with copper peptides for a couple of years but my skin finds them irritating. So I successfully alternate nights with tret and copper peptides And the vanicream in the morning. My skin has never looked better.
Wow-this is so helpful! I use the Tower 28 spray several times a day-and as someone who is allergic to all forms of topical Vitamin C, I have started using NIOD’s Survival O as my protection against environmental aggression in the am as I was led to believe that was a good replacement. So, I am assuming those shouldn’t be used w/each other? Thank you for watching out for our faces!!! We love your’s!!!
You may want to watch the video again...specifically the part where the dude was giving his scientific findings.. He said that it's fine to use copper peptides with any of those ingredients..
I am in complete alignment with how you roll. I am following Steven, but 🙏 you for the long list of links in the description box. 💫 I personally buy Stratia’s Interface formula because it formulates Copper Palmitoyl Heptapeptide-14 with Glycolic & Lactic acid, while throwing in some Rose Hip Oil. It also pairs nicely with their Liquid Gold product and is made in the U.S. I do wonder if all of the ingredients are made in the U.S. 🤔 I’m never out of questions. Btw, 💕 the Halloween 🎃 decor.
OK this is amazing!! I'm really inconsistent with buffet as I was told not to use actives/vit C with it so struggled to fit it in! Great news. Thank you!
Something I find interesting is comparing the burden of proof for products being “okay” and “not okay.” If there is no scientific evidence saying that combining X and Y is bad, then it’s “okay” based on other accumulated knowledge about the body/biology. However, in the “clean beauty” sphere, if there is no scientific evidence saying that ingredient X is bad, everyone says it’s lunacy to try and avoid ingredient X, despite there being biological/physiological evidence for ingredient X being *potentially* harmful. Just an interesting observation about the relationship between skincare users and science. Thanks for the video!!!
Thank you for this great information. I’m impressed by your commitment to your community and the science behind skin care. And your skin is gorgeous. Because I have highly reactive skin, I alternate certain products to reduce the chance of irritation. For example, I alternate nights for my retinoid and copper peptide. I never use copper peptide in the morning even though the C serum I use is a derivative not l-ascorbic acid and might not be problematic. And I exfoliate on a night when I don’t use any actives. I want to note that my decision to alternate a retinoid with a copper peptide was actually serendipitous. I can’t use a retinoid every night because my skin can’t handle it. So, I choose to use to use a copper peptide on the nights when I use Bakuchiol because my skin doesn’t react to Bakuchiol the way it does to retinoids.
BLESS you for confirming this information about copper peptides. I JUST started using this serum and even after doing research I still had questions. So thank you thank you thank you!!!
lol I actually just throw everything on my skin, and have no problems 🤷🏻♀️ I start with a salicylic acid cleanser, then I use an AHA/BHA toner, salicylic acid serum, lactic acid serum, lots of peptides, and Tretinoin. If I don’t use all these acids, my face has so much texture it looks awful. I love the look of my skin when I use lots of actives on it. It’s so smooth and soft. I’m so surprised I don’t see more people using the Numbuzin No. 3 essence. That has over 50 fermented ingredients in it. It works SO GOOD on my skin. I can definitely see a difference if I stop using it. It brightens up the face so much, and also over time lightens dark spots. I won’t be without it. I’ve probably purchased it 10 times. I use acids with antioxidants and peptides all the time and I don’t see any reduction in efficacy of my products 🤷🏻♀️
Thanks so much for posting this - I've been using RevitaLash for about 4 years and when I saw your video I immediately threw it out and purchased the Olaplex one instead. I think I have been experiencing the increased pigmentation around the eyelids/semi dry eye (my eyes water a lot especially at night!) and it's been so long I can't remember if this is normal! This video was so helpful!!!
Thank you SO MUCH for this!! I've been going crazy trying to figure out where I can fit copper peptides in my routine! Thank you for sharing your work with us. 🙏🏼💖
One thing I would highly recommend to you is switching out your face wash and salicylic acid for 1. A sulfer face wash (leaving on for about 5 min) and glycolic acid. I used to use cera ve salicylic face wash and my skin is much more “cleared out” using a sulfer face wash. And I am sooooooo happy I now use glycolic. My favorite I’ve found in actually L’Oréal revitalift serum 10% glycolic. I am telling you that I have brand new skin in the morning now after I switched from salicylic to glycolic. Just freaking try it. For reference the products I use are sulfer face wash, timeless vitamin c, L’Oréal glycolic, some sort of Korean essence (I like to switch those up just to have a little fun with my routine, Klairs midnight blue drops (peptides), Missha probio ampoule, hydroquinone or Tret depending on what cycle I am in, Careprost for lash/brow growth, la roche-posay double repair moisturizer, some Korean SPF depending on what finish I want, and elf whoa glow spf for the glow. Just try it for one bottle instead of salicylic. It’ll change your liiiiiiiife. Thank you for your videos and integrity.
Kelly Driscoll focuses on Korean skincare mostly on her channel and she (and a few others I’ve watched) recommended Secret Key Starting Treatment Essence as a substitute for the ridiculously priced SK-II. I am using, and enjoying it. As she described, I can feel my skin drinking it in. I am going to check out the others mentioned. I think I have used the CosRX before…I currently use their snail mucin. This was an incredible amount of work you’ve done in the name of our skin
Also, COSNORI has a good lash serum and the applicator is a dream. The Ordinarys applicator kind of dried out hard and hurts my lash line when I apply it. It’s available of yesstyle and Stylevana, I know you love Asian spfs so thought you might be able to give this one a try too :)
This is so interesting, and it actually makes a lot of sense to me because when I use hypochlorous acid spray on its own, I get the best results with my acne. When I’ve used it with other products besides sunscreen, I always got irritated and my acne didn’t heal faster. Thanks Abbey! Personally though, I wouldn’t use salicylic acid cleanser and then a salicylic acid serum because you are getting the benefits from the cleanser. I’m curious as to why you do that?
I've been using the hypochlorous acid spray after washing before I use my Current Body mask. So far, that has been working really well for me. The Geek and Gorgeous Vitamin C is really, really good. I like it just as much as the Drmtlgy one.
I think that's the best way to use it- on clean skin, whether face or body (backne etc) before anything else. I'm a beauty therapist and encourage my facial clients with a compromised skin barrier/sensitive skin/rosacea/acne etc to use it first thing after cleansing💜
Hypochlorous Acid is used in the medical settings for wounds and works by direct contact on the microbe. I have used various brands that contain this active ingredient and attended multiple "in service" education events on these products. The overall theme is it needs to be applied to clean skin in order to be effective. Anything that creates a barrier needs to be removed before application. It is only active while wet. Once it dries the antimicrobial properties are no longer active. So the correct way is to use after cleansing and before anything else and allow it to dry naturally. Once it dries it should not react with any other products.
the ordinary serum has really worked for me and made my lashes grow a lot! i even have one rogue lash that grows super long and I need to trim haha. I think it just depends on consistency and the person. I started using twice a day and now use it once and the results have stayed consistent. Please keep us updated on the lash serums you try!
I really appreciate your follow up video. Thank you for answering my questions and going above and beyond in your research. It’s much more fun to learn from you than to read a scientific publication!
Thank you Abbey! I’ll be interested to hear your review on SK-ll PITERA. I purchased a bottle to try, fully expecting to de-bunk the hype and be completely unimpressed. To my complete surprise, I fell in love with it. The moisture retention and glow are beyond amazing. I’ve heard other brands with galactomyces (Cosrx, numbuzin etc) just cannot deliver the same results as SK-II. I’ll be waiting for your video review!!
As always, so much good info! Thank you for the thorough video and update. I've been using the Glow For It lash serum for about 4 months now with amazing results and no side effects. I love it! I've started using the CosRX essence 2 years ago after seeing videos from James Welsh and Kelly Driscoll about it and I can't be without! Works wonder on my skin (and I'm 20 years older than you :)).
Hey Abbey, several months ago when I had a visit with my dermatologist I asked her about this subject. She said if you had been using retinol/tretinoin products for awhile it would be ok to us them with other lactic, glycol acids. She also said it would be best to just use copper peptides in a.m. and your retinols p.m. thats just my 2 cents worth.
I have seen the same information being shared by derms - retinol/tretinoin products + acids CAN in fact be used in the same routine, if skin tolerates. I imagine it may be a bit difficult to tolerate, especially if you are using tret or if you are just starting skin care. But I think we have had too many fearmongering happening. People who are experienced in skin care - we want to know the whole story. I do not want to miss out good ingredient combos in fear it MAY irritate my skin, but which my skin can tolerate just fine. Each persons skin is different. I think these recommendations from manufacturers should be more specific and they should not play it safe and consider that everyones skin is sensitive. We can make our own decisions, skin care junkies that we are :D
Oh you are my hero!!! You just answered all my questions. Thank you so much. Wow I am very impressed with all the research you have done. You bringing reliable information to us from the experts is just impressive. I just have one question. What about using hypochlorus acid in the night? Would it deactivate other products as well?
Thank you for your research! I am a licensed esthetician and still building my knowledge on ingredients. I found this interesting because the brand Image has an Ormedic Balancing Antioxidant Serum with Copper PCA. I’m sure they were formulated to play well together just like some product formulations have both retinol and vitamin c.
Videos left until the audio is fixed.... 3. I realized it wasn't the Mic settings that messed up the sound like I thought, it's that my camera somehow set back to default & was recording the audio through the camera instead of the microphone 😑 lol. SORRY!
It’s no biggie :)
This is why we love you Abbey! You do the research! I’ve tried on my own so many times to get definitive answers and now for the month of September 2023 I feel I am as informed as I can get until there’s more data.
Thank you 🥰
@@avablue6062I’m so glad!! ❤
What mascara are you wearing in this video? And you don’t know how happy your background made me! 🧡
Abbey, I’m so impressed by all the research and follow up you did on these topics. ❤ Thank for your follow up!
I appreciate your due diligence on this Abby. Too many creators just don't give out correct information or care that what they post could literally be harmful to some people. And this why I love your content, because its researched & correct. And updated when needed 😊
I personally have been using biosannce copper peptides & squalene along with tretinoin 0.5% for a year now with no issues, and I've got dry sensitive skin to start off with. Keep up the good work 👏
Aww thank you so much ❤
I appreciate your integrity. While I think any of us could make similar assumptions, the fact that you were mortified and not only corrected yourself but provided us with multiple references for our own follow up speaks volumes.
Thank you for being ethical, not many content creators are. The Ordinary did nothing for my lashes. I like your Halloween decor.
that serum made my eyebrow hairs grow LONG
Of course! And yay me too xx
I'll tell you what works... Latisse
@@BoudicaisbackThat one has dangerous side effects because it contains prostaglandins.
@@ramonarodriguez149 Really? Like what? I've been using it for months
Amen sistah! Fitting copper peptides into my routine alongside vit c and tret has been the bane of my existence.
Sorry to jump on such an old comment - where do you personally put the copper??
@@elliegreen7647 I apply copper peptides at night. Ideally, I apply it an hour or so before Tret to avoid any potential interactions. I'm still reluctant to apply copper peptides alongside vitamin C serums (ascorbic acid) as they tend to be formulated with a low pH, whereas copper peptides serums tend to be formulated at a neutral / slightly alkaline pH.
I have used my Multi-peptides + Cu with tretanoin .05% and started with .025 before, with zero issues. I know that copper peptides MAY increase flushing in the skin, thereby increasing efficacy and side effects of Tretinoin. I'm older and my skin rarely flush/blushes. I will continue to use it together💗💗💗
TY, TY, TY for all your investigations! Very helpful. Please don’t be embarrassed by short, natural nails. They are not ugly. As a young RN, nail polish & long nails used to be strictly prohibited. We are so fortunate to have use of our hands! I write this with a warm hug. You have a very interesting and informative channel. I look forward to your postings and have come to know your expert guidance. I use Tretinoin and Ordinary copper peptides in my night routine and now breathe a sigh of relief. 😅 Keep it coming!!! 😊❤ PS I did use Revitalash and developed dry eye. Very uncomfortable! 😢
Ohhh I love short natural nails when they’re nice!! Mine are just flaking off up close right now bc they’re so damaged 😂
@@AbbeyYung Oh 😳!!! I get it - been there myself!
If you're interested in fermented ingredients like galactomyces, you should definitely try Numbuzin skin softerning serum
It has both galactomyces and bifida ferment filtrate
I’ve heard of that brand, hope to give it a try in the future! 👍
Yessss!! This one is my holy grail!! Its sooo amazing right!!
Or sk-II! The goat of all fermented skincare products
Thanks for the recommendation, going to check it out!
The numbuzin toner is the best fermented product I’ve tried!
This is awesome, Abbey! I feel like The Ordinary can be overly cautious in their recommendations when it comes to listing potential contraindications between their products (e.g., niacinamide and vitamin C), and I had a hard time finding good straightforward information regarding safe/effective use of copper peptides. This is the first video I've seen that actually took a deep dive. Thank you for taking the time to do this!
Totally I feel like many brands are also overly cautious!
Thank you for showing publicly that we can always learn more and educate ourselves. Appreciate your ethical and unbiased approach and can tell you care about your viewers!
I appreciate how you’re framing this. As with many things, generally people can get pretty intolerant when companies change their stance on something. It’s so important that when the body of knowledge grows, we are able to pivot and accept new conclusions that may not align with previous ones. Sooo many people point fingers and I just love that you’re not bashing them here. Knowledge, science, medicine, these are all constantly evolving topics. I did take out peptides immediately when I saw your post, and I’m not totally sure where they will fit in moving forward and I now have a vitamin C im really enjoying (anyone else like the Mad Hippie?). As always, your attention to detail is just SPOT ON ❤
And go Steven for all the info!
Thank you so much for this video. I've been doing the same thing (just with vitamin c in the morning and copper peptides and tretinoin in the night) since I found the vids by Doctorly and Dr. Dray where they both said they saw no prob with CPs and Tret that I left you in the comments on your last skincare routine vid. I've had no irritation whatsoever and they both seem to be working great!
Thank you so much for all your research and all your sweet anxiety about possibly giving us inaccurate info. You are amazing, Abbey. We really trust you so much (at least your real ones do!). We all have learned so much from you and starting using amazing products because of YOU. We trust that even if you make a mistake, you'll correct it. And we trust that you would never "sell us" something that you didn't love yourself just to make money and screw us over. You're the best! PS I've lived in Madison for the last 12 years. Go Badgers!
All I can say is, ”DANG….your dedication is real!” Thank you for doing the research that we all want to know about but are too overwhelmed and confused to follow up with 😂
-Love from another Twin Cities girlie ❤
Omg of COURSE ❤ it is completely overwhelming I get it 😂
why would you say your natural nails look hideous? as long as they are clean and healthy they look good. We wouldn't say that to a little girl so why say it to ourselves? xoxo
Shut up
I was having problems with something oxidizing in my skincare routine & giving me an orange tint around my hairline, so I did some research. I came across the topic of mixing copper peptides with vitamin C, & that was definitely one of the issues. Another problem was too high of a concentration of niacinamide as well. Once I stopped using the Biossance Squalane + Copper Peptide Rapid Plumping Serum in the morning with my vitamin C, as well as dropped my niacinamide percentage from 10% to 4%, & I don't have the oxidation problem anymore.
Ohhh this is so good to know!
Question, what changes did you notice between 10% nia and 4%? Which results are better
@@JustaregularoldplumbusI know that you didn't ask me lol. But I've seen loads of knowledgeable people say that around 4% of niacinamide is the sweet spot! 10% has the potential for irritation and the possibility of issues. Niacinamide is definitely one of those ingredients where less definitely is not more. Hope this helps💕
That is some serious dedication to your skin. I have issues I'd like to correct with my skin but there's just no way i could financially dedicate this much product to my face. I do think I'll look into apostrophe and maybe i can at least clear up my facial redness. I do wear spf 50 every day but i seriously have to like run to the bathroom and very quickly remove my sunscreen and makeup while my toddler is occupied and the mornings are unpredictable in nature. If i don't have time to put on my sunscreen i keep extra in my purse and take care of it at work.
Thank you for all you do!
I usually don’t stick to the same skincare routine every day. I kind of have a skincare cycle. Some days I use my acids then the next day vitamin C Then peptides and so on. I try not to mix things too much because it gets too complicated.
same
@@okipullup6316but its better to pick a few ingredients that is scientifically proven to work and just use those forever..be super consistent..
if you keep switching a bunch of diff ingredients, youre wasting your time
I use to use AHA, BHA, retinol, niacinamide..and it was more expensive, and slow to show any result
Now I use tretinoin and urea, generic.. its way cheaper than my old routine
+5% niacinamide toner twice a day. Thats all i use now and its super cheap
@@okipullup6316also with tretinoin, the result will be better than combining a bunch of different ingredients..
Tretinoin will transform your skin in just 4-6 months
Same here
Same here, plus I have rosacea-sensitive skin. I couldn't use all these products, Abbey uses on my skin. I love her recommendations though!
Thanks for the clarification! I use Niod's CAIS and that product is so pricey there is no way I'm risking having at it denatured or rendered ineffective even if some formulators argue it's technically possible. I think that ultimately this comes down to us being reluctant to have a simple routine. It's ok to just use copper peptides as a single serum in a routine and alternate other ingredients on other days/nights. ❤
I used to use NIOD’s copper peptide product too (I went thru 3 bottles). Eventually I finally decided to try the Ordinary’s version instead-I wanted to see if I noticed any difference since Niod’s is so much pricier. After going thru 2 bottles, I have to say that while copper peptides definitely have a positive effect on my skin overall, I can’t see any difference since I changed to the less expensive product. Just something to consider! (For reference, I’m in my late 30s , and have a fairly in depth skincare routine, maybe a bit less involved compared to Abbey’s-hope you find this helpful!)
@ynnaz06131986 Hey, I've tried the Ordinary's version too, and quite like it 🙂 I guess Niod edges out in my preferences because I have very oily skin and the thinner formulation of CAIS sinks into my skin a lot better. But I agree that the Ordinary's is a great option for those that want a more affordable yet still effective formulation.
Thank you so much. As a new derm PA, I love having this evidenced based advice with expert input. I feel like your channel is an actual resource I can turn to to develop solid advice on skincare tips for patients with cosmetic questions
Abbey is the GOAT in research!! She's actually becoming a licensed Trichologist finally 😍
WOW this made my day thank you so much!
Just my $0.02 re: using copper peptides and retinoids together: I have been using the Medik8 Liquid Peptides serum (which contains copper palmitoyl heptapeptide-14), and I contacted Medik8 directly about using this product alongside tretinoin at night. They said that it was perfectly fine to layer this product under/over tretinoin or any other vitamin A product (such as their crystal retinal line) as long as the skin tolerated it, and that there shouldn’t be any sort of clash between the ingredients. So far, I have been enjoying using the two together!
That's great! I haven't had any issues with the two together so far!
Medic8s is encapsulated though making it safe. They do say not to use it with ascorbic acid! You have to use the c lux which is tetra
Hi Abbey, you MUST SEE "The Budget Dermatologist's" video from a few months ago named: 'Beware: Lash serums & side effects....' where she interviews an ophthalmologist on the risk of lash serums + alternative solutions!!! It's really good & informative 😊
Thank you for coming back with the info, lots of influencers really never care about actually getting the correct info.
We need more research on cosmetics/skincare and dry eye disease. Im in my early thirties and have severe dry eye disease and can't even wear contact lenses at this point. "Eye school with Dr D" has some interesting videos about it.
I'm so sorry to hear about your dry eye disease. I know it's painful. I love Dr D's channel. I avoid anything with retinoids & the preservatives phenoxyethanol & ethylhexylglycerin near my eyes. They've all been shown to destroy the cells of the oil glands of the eyes (in living cell, test tube research). Lash growth serums with those preservatives are a big no-no for me.
I understand this, completely! I have severely dry eyes as well. I had laser eye surgery back in 2005 and that made my eyes very dry. I had to quit wearing contacts too. I also have MGD disease (oil glands blocked or clogged), and ocular rosacea/chronic blepharitis. Yikes!! I have to use Refresh PM ointment that's how bad mine is! 😑 It sucks!! Just a tip. I take omega 3's twice a day and that can help with dry eyes. It does for me. Take care.
Yeah what is up with that. My eyes dried up in my 30s while the rest of my face remained combo/oily. Maybe this is karma for me being one of those flippant "you don't need a separate eye cream~" types of people in my 20s lol. I even stopped wearing mascara and eyeshadow at one point because it got so bad. Now I can do it once in a while if I baby my eyes the days before and after.
@@Faithandlove24 I have severe mgd as well. Omegas help me some as well.. I also do warm compress massage and preservative free eye drops multiple times a day.
@@Emmie1 same! I'm still on the fence about eye creams and even if I were going to try some idk what ingredients are even "safe" for around the eyes. As of now I'm using vanicream moisturizer but it has bht which I'm not sure is okay for the eyes.
I have been using copper peptides since you started using it on your channel…in all of my research online, contacting The Ordinary directly and speaking to my dermatologist all of them advised against using Ascorbic Acid in the same routine but encouraged the use of Vitamin C derivatives with copper peptides…I am now using a derivative GOODAL - Green Tangerine Vita-C Dark Spot Care Serum in the same routine with great results. For background I was using the Timeless Vitamin C and introduced the copper peptides and was having some strange reactions on my skin (odd color and smell on my face) within a week which prompted my research. Thank you for clearing things up on your routine and info about using hypoclorous acid. I introduced that product into my routine awhile ago without doing any research! I will have to make some changes now and will try using it midday as you suggested. So much to learn here thank you!
FYI for anyone considering a lash lift and tint, you don't need to use lash GROWTH serum if you do a lash lift and tint. in fact, it's recommend you don't use it for 10 days prior and 10 days after depending on the product used. I've been an esthetician for 4 years, and I've used multiple lash lift brands (just incase anyone is curious on my background). What I usually recommend my clients to use are lash serums that target nourishment. I love the WB&Co one, I also love plain ol argan or jojoba oil because they're light. Some of my clients swear by coconut or castor, which is not my cup of tea but their lashes are still strong and healthy after multiple lifts and thats all Im looking for. Some lash lift brands have their own nourishing products as well, and those work jamazingly-but usually come at a higher price tag.
Abbey love your deep dives into the science. I also learn a lot from Angie at Hot n Flashy. Her dad is a cosmetic chemist so her content regarding skin care ingredients is also very researched.
I use vitamin c in the morning. Then I'll spray the hypoclorous acid on my face, neck and chest after my workout in the late afternoon/early evening. It helps calm my skin from the heat and flushing and helps with breakouts. And I feel like spacing them out in this way won't cause issues with my morning skincare that I applied hours ago. Win win!
Do you think applying the hypochlorous acid at 1pm in the afternoon after applying vitamin c at about 7-8am in the morning is spaced out enough?
I have used copper peptides with tretinoin for three years without any problem.
I can’t thank you enough for this video. I wanted this info so so badly. I am beyond thrilled that I can now use my vitamin c again in the morning and copper peptides and tretiinoin together in my night routine. The exact routine I love but avoided. I hope I have it all right, it was a lot to grasp. Again Thank you
Abbey, I really like No 7 vit c capsules. They are 20% ascorbic acid with vit e and single use, so the vit c stays stable. The serum feels like silk! Very affordable, especially on sale.
I like the itemized list format at the round up of all of your routines! I can't wait for your research into Vit C! There's so many new forms of Vit C that are very stable and lipid soluble.
I love a good list lol. And same I'm geeking out just thinking about it lol
The essence of healthy toner works amazing for me and I’m surprised more people don’t talk about it. I’ve never used the SKII and I’m not even sure if I should try it now. I’d be curious to hear your comparison on them if you ever decide to try it. I am on my fifth bottle of the essence of healthy and I have seen visible brightening in my skin. So much so that I stopped using vitamin c because in the Florida weather they always oxidized quickly on me. I use the psa skin visible improvement for my antioxidants instead of vitamin c. Thanks so much for your honesty and integrity!
I’ve always wanted someone to compare the Physicians Formula toner to the SKII!
I had never heard of it I'm so glad I saw the comment!! Good idea- I got footage of my skin before to capture afters, but I'll also get afters when I try that too!
I noticed more visible brightening/ evening of tone with the physicians formula essence than the Neogen real ferment micro essence. Crazy. Too bad I ran out and have a ton of Neogen left to finish before I repurchase PF lol. I really hope they don’t discontinue it. It’s hard to find
Neogen did nothing for me. I heard so many great things and I just never noticed anything! @@Justaregularoldplumbus
@@Justaregularoldplumbus I saw absolutely nothing with the Neogen and the Iope essences.
tbh i’ve used the ordinary lash growth and it works for my lashes and eyebrows. i’ve also used etude house’s lash growth serum before and that also works, both don’t have prostaglandins. if anyone wants to try lash growth serums without prostaglandins and haven’t found success in the ordinary they can try asian beauty brands because there are a bunch like rom&nd, canmake, clio, holika holika, heroine make, majorika, dhc, shiseido… just double check ingredients but i’ve found prostaglandins in lash serums to be a western thing
I've had *very* thin and weak nails my entire life and I recently decided to start a nail routine! I purchased a metal cuticle pusher, Sally Hansen Instant Cuticle Remover, OPI Nail Envy Nail Strengthener, and some Biotin supplements and the results are absolutely blowing my mind with how long and healthy my nails are from these products! The routine itself is so simple, one to two times a week I will use the Sally Hansen Instant Cuticle Remover to push back my cuticles, I never cut anything off, and then I'll apply 1 - 2 coats of the OPI Nail Envy Nail Strengthener, and in a few days when that starts chipping is when I know it's time to remove the OPI Nail Envy Nail Strengthener with nail polish remover and start the routine over again. And of course Biotin every day :)
You should consider taking collagen + vitamin C
Be sure to let your primary care provider know you're taking biotin, as they can skew lab test. ❤
love this, i just started using the copper peptides with my tretinoin and my skin seems to be doing fine
LOVE THIS VIDEO!
I will say though about the SKII essence; Galactomyces is actually just the genus of the fungi, and there are dozens (if not hundreds) of different species like the Pitera that SKII has trademarked. The other products you mentioned have a type of galactomyces ingredient but they aren't actually required to disclose which species they're using, and the different species do have different effects on skin. I have found SKII sadly works a lot better than any of the others I have tried, but for some people the COSRX one works better so its really all about your skin type. But they really are two different ingredients. Aliceintherabbithole has a great science-based video on the SKII essence.
Hypochlorous acid works by oxidizing anaerobic bacteria, a similar mechanism to benzoyl peroxide, which also oxidizes/cancels out antioxidant skincare ingredients. Instead of a hypochlorous acid spray, I use a benzoyl peroxide gel as short contact therapy before washing my face with a gentle cleanser so that it doesn’t interact with all of my antioxidant products
I stopped Latisse, and switched to Scorolash. Not expecting any results- but wow, it really works. Highly recommend trying this one!
I am using tretinoin 0.5 with copper peptides with no issues in same routine from a month without any issues, my skin is looking far more radiant and healthy.
I've also had no issues so far!
it's 0.05% 0.5% would melt your face off lol
I think the best approach is to rotate. Keep in mind you can still get the full benefits from using most products a couple times of week. The only two that I feel make sense for every morning are vitamin c or other antioxidants and sunscreen because you need protection every day which those provide. Everything else you can rotate. If anyone is curious I can break down my routine on how I rotate. You can also use products that don’t play nice together if you wait 30 minutes between application. For example on my days off (that’s when I have time) I will apply SA, wait 30 minutes then put on my vitamin C.
Knew I had heard it from 1 of the dermatologists here on youtube or Penn Smith, Master Esthetician, so went and looked. Derm Review has a study showing that l-ascorbic acid, once applied, absorbs right into your skin and remains in the skin for 72 hours. I've been alternating mornings: one day L-ascorbic acid routine, next morning copper peptide routine. If l-ascorbic acid is in the skin working for 72 hours after application: alternating seems a good option for me :)
@@tracyverba2691 yes definitely
Setting social media content standards high! 👏💜
I love that you read your comments and address them! I had some of these questions so I appreciate it so much! You’re such a go to for recommendations ❤
I love you Abbey but do we need so many products? I can’t afford that many - could you do a save or splurge version like you did with your hair products? Or what products you would say were the most important? Thanks for such an informative video - your skin and hair are glowing. Also thank you for being so true and honest and real with us ❤❤❤
You definitely don't need them all! I just love testing out products so I go crazy with skincare haha. I am definitely planning to make an affordable only skincare routine! xoxo
Thanks for the update. I think like most science, more knowledge and more studies mean things change. you were operating on the best knowledge you had at the time and I really appreciate the time you took to not only research and talk to experts in the field, but to then film a well thought out update.
Such a good point! We are always going to see updates in the world of skincare
Remember when you didn’t need a phd in chemistry to apply your night cream before bed…?
So just blindly believing brand marketing instead of being informed and educated? Lol
@@elliebellie1127it was a joke. It just means we’ve come so far I think
Thanks!
Just now seeing this- thank you so so much ❤️
THANK YOU IVE BEEN SO CONFUSED
Anecdotal, but I've been using Latisse for over 2 years, and I've had no issue with side effects. From my understanding, the side effects people are scared about happened when the drops were being put directly into the eye for glaucoma. Latisse for lash growth is put on the lash line and can not be compared to the drops being put directly in the eye. I believe Dr. Dray has a video on Bimatoprost in depth.
This is really interesting to me. I’ve used revitalash for 3 years and never had any side effects at all. I’m SUPER careful and apply the tiniest amount (like I wipe the brush off completely) so that it doesn’t get on my skin much or in my eye at all. I get my eyes checked annually and I’m always told my eyes are healthy. 🤷♀️
I love how you really get into everything . You are my go to for skin care as well as hair.
I’m going to keep my routine for my 68 yr old skin as simple as possible, there’s just too many products to get confused about 🤷🏼♀️
Haha literally!!!
Vitamin C in the morning(Geek and Gorgeous), SPF cream during the day(you have many options here), retinol at night(Avene: retinal). And a good cleanser (CeraVe) moisturizer (with hyaluronic acid& niacinamide:Avene Activ B3 for example). That's it! But don't expect miracles, you will just get better looking skin. I gave up on thinking that it would improve my wrinkles a long time ago!!!
Peptides are trendy, but they don't have enough scientific backup yet, so if you don't want to complicate your routine you can skip them and just use the ingredients I mentioned above. Hope you find my response useful ❤
Yes! It's so much to keep track of. I feel like I need charts and graphs!
Tretinoin...definitely. Start at .025 if necessary. I'm 68 and started at .05 years ago. I constantly get complimented on my skin. Seriously. Tretinoin. (NOT retinal products, but Tretinoin, the real thing) Vitamin C, Antioxidants, Peptides, especially Copper Peptides. Good Moisturizers, oil to top it off at night. It's never too late and this IS a simple routine.
Thank you for doing your homework! These topics are so slippery. Also I LOVE that your Halloween swag is out. Spooky time for the win.
Abbey, you are a Godsend! I've been using copper peptides along with my retinoids with no issues for a while now, so I'll freely continue to do that! Thank you for clarifying everything for your viewers!
Of course!! So far I've also had zero issues with it!
Same here! I've been using copper peptides along with my 0.1% tretinoin and my skin looks and feels great
Gothamista confirmed the same. I asked this question from her in comments, where she talked about her evening routine, if it is ok to use copper peptides + retinoids in same routine. She said yes, it is fine, she is doing it and the only thing is if your skin is irritated by this combo, then don´t, otherwise, go ahead. She is using those 2 in the same routine and her skin looks so good.
Great video, Abbey! The Dime Beauty lash growth serum is another prostaglandin free serum. I personally can't use it because of acne rosacea and blepharitis (any eyelash serum besides straight castor oil makes my lids itching and swollen - the blepharitis,) but at least it's another option!
Omg I used latisse and bimatoprost and others for 6 years and had no idea how badly it messed the skin up around my eyes and still does. I had alot if facial fat loss from it as well
One of the most helpful, well-researched videos I've seen in a long time from anyone on any subject. Thank you, I appreciate this!
Thank you so so much! So glad to help
I use copper peptides in the morning and tret in evening. In morning vitamin C derivative works because as per ordinary no direct vitamin C should be applied
I have decided not to use any of the contra indications with my copper peptides. I use the Deciem version and for that price I am not going to use anything which could damage the efficacy of my copper peptides.
My derm recommends me to use vitamin C at night with retin A and copper in the mornings. He said vitamin C has been shown to make retinoods even more effective when combined.
I know this is an old vid but it just popped up in my feed. On the cuticle treatment part, I have found amazing results using castor oil! I use it daily and wow the difference in my nails being so much stronger! Also for healthy nails try using dazzle dry nail polish system. I’ve been using it for years. Your nails will thank you!
Great educational video! Thank you! ❤
I’m with Dr Luke on hypochloric acid, knowing that it is a prooxidant (a LOT of disinfectants are, it’s part of why/how they work) it’s only logical to hypothesize that using it with antioxidants may be contrainductive (sorry, English is not my first language, I might be wording that wrong, but I hope you the reader understand what I’m trying to say 😊)
As a lazy cuticle girlie who does my own nails. I use the Vaseline lip oil and then schmear the rest on my cuticles after. But I have tiny bottles of oil and lotion everywhere so I can moisturize and then use a drop of oil no matter where I am.
My experience with using a lash serum (I think I used the same one as Abbey): first off, it discoloured my eye lid. I had a brownish line, kind if of like a subtle eyliner where I was applying it. Not a biggy but still weird. Then, when I ran out of the product and didn't purchase a replacement, all my newly super long and georgeous lashes fell out. It wasn't like I lost all my lashes at once, but it was rapid and concerning and not at all fun. So yeah, never again. It's not worth it. Edit to say the same thing happened to my sister
Thank you for making this video. It shows so much goodwill, and gives me a lot of respect and trust in your channel. It really answered some exact questions I had, and I really appreciate that you were avid in finding answers. Thanks!
Thank you for the update, love your channel and appreciate all of your beauty advice so dang much! Also love the spooky decor :)
Good luck with your new routines! I'm going to continue avoiding all 3 of them but I hope they work out for you!
Thank you for all of the effort you put into your videos, Abbey! I feel like we are all trying to figure this stuff out! 💜
Of course!! Totally... group effort here & I love it lol
Thank you so so much for this video! Love your due diligence on skin and hair care as always. I’ve been using copper peptides in the am and tretinoin in the pm for a few months now and it’s made such a positive difference to my skin without any issues 😊
Thank you so much for being so thorough! It is so helpful to have a creator who is willing to make corrections based on scientific research because her followers have questions.
I think I'm going to switch up my routine a bit as well now. I'm currently using a copper peptide solution in the AM and because of that, I discontinued the use of vitamin C. Now I'm going to reintroduce vitamin C and move my peptides to the PM alongside my Adapalene. I do use the Good Molecules Overnight Exfoliating serum 2x per week so that will replace my peptides and Adapalene two nights of the week. And I will use my hypochlorous acid spray midday to refresh. Now I'm off to buy some Vitamin C!
This is a great video! Thank you! I have sensitive skin and have been using anti-aging skin care for 5 years. My skin was fine with ascorbic acid until I started using tret. Then it caused too much irritation, but tret did miracles for my skin. Now I use the vanicream vitamin c with THD and that is a non irritating and a non acidic form. I love it. That said I've been using the ordinary buffet with copper peptides for a couple of years but my skin finds them irritating. So I successfully alternate nights with tret and copper peptides And the vanicream in the morning. My skin has never looked better.
Note to those with fungal acne. Galactomyces ferment isn't recommended for you as it can worsen acne.
Wow-this is so helpful! I use the Tower 28 spray several times a day-and as someone who is allergic to all forms of topical Vitamin C, I have started using NIOD’s Survival O as my protection against environmental aggression in the am as I was led to believe that was a good replacement. So, I am assuming those shouldn’t be used w/each other? Thank you for watching out for our faces!!! We love your’s!!!
You may want to watch the video again...specifically the part where the dude was giving his scientific findings.. He said that it's fine to use copper peptides with any of those ingredients..
I am in complete alignment with how you roll. I am following Steven, but 🙏 you for the long list of links in the description box. 💫
I personally buy Stratia’s Interface formula because it formulates Copper Palmitoyl Heptapeptide-14 with Glycolic & Lactic acid, while throwing in some Rose Hip Oil. It also pairs nicely with their Liquid Gold product and is made in the U.S. I do wonder if all of the ingredients are made in the U.S. 🤔 I’m never out of questions.
Btw, 💕 the Halloween 🎃 decor.
OK this is amazing!! I'm really inconsistent with buffet as I was told not to use actives/vit C with it so struggled to fit it in! Great news. Thank you!
Something I find interesting is comparing the burden of proof for products being “okay” and “not okay.”
If there is no scientific evidence saying that combining X and Y is bad, then it’s “okay” based on other accumulated knowledge about the body/biology. However, in the “clean beauty” sphere, if there is no scientific evidence saying that ingredient X is bad, everyone says it’s lunacy to try and avoid ingredient X, despite there being biological/physiological evidence for ingredient X being *potentially* harmful.
Just an interesting observation about the relationship between skincare users and science. Thanks for the video!!!
Thank you for this great information. I’m impressed by your commitment to your community and the science behind skin care. And your skin is gorgeous.
Because I have highly reactive skin, I alternate certain products to reduce the chance of irritation. For example, I alternate nights for my retinoid and copper peptide. I never use copper peptide in the morning even though the C serum I use is a derivative not l-ascorbic acid and might not be problematic. And I exfoliate on a night when I don’t use any actives. I want to note that my decision to alternate a retinoid with a copper peptide was actually serendipitous. I can’t use a retinoid every night because my skin can’t handle it. So, I choose to use to use a copper peptide on the nights when I use Bakuchiol because my skin doesn’t react to Bakuchiol the way it does to retinoids.
BLESS you for confirming this information about copper peptides. I JUST started using this serum and even after doing research I still had questions. So thank you thank you thank you!!!
lol I actually just throw everything on my skin, and have no problems 🤷🏻♀️ I start with a salicylic acid cleanser, then I use an AHA/BHA toner, salicylic acid serum, lactic acid serum, lots of peptides, and Tretinoin. If I don’t use all these acids, my face has so much texture it looks awful. I love the look of my skin when I use lots of actives on it. It’s so smooth and soft.
I’m so surprised I don’t see more people using the Numbuzin No. 3 essence. That has over 50 fermented ingredients in it. It works SO GOOD on my skin. I can definitely see a difference if I stop using it. It brightens up the face so much, and also over time lightens dark spots. I won’t be without it. I’ve probably purchased it 10 times.
I use acids with antioxidants and peptides all the time and I don’t see any reduction in efficacy of my products 🤷🏻♀️
The number 3 is AMAZING!!!
Thank you for making this update! Going above and beyond ❤❤
Of course ❤
Thanks so much for posting this - I've been using RevitaLash for about 4 years and when I saw your video I immediately threw it out and purchased the Olaplex one instead. I think I have been experiencing the increased pigmentation around the eyelids/semi dry eye (my eyes water a lot especially at night!) and it's been so long I can't remember if this is normal! This video was so helpful!!!
I have looked everywhere for a clarification that is broken down like this, thank you!!
Such a great video!!! Def going to add copper peptides to my pm routine now.
Thank you SO MUCH for this!! I've been going crazy trying to figure out where I can fit copper peptides in my routine! Thank you for sharing your work with us. 🙏🏼💖
One thing I would highly recommend to you is switching out your face wash and salicylic acid for 1. A sulfer face wash (leaving on for about 5 min) and glycolic acid. I used to use cera ve salicylic face wash and my skin is much more “cleared out” using a sulfer face wash. And I am sooooooo happy I now use glycolic. My favorite I’ve found in actually L’Oréal revitalift serum 10% glycolic. I am telling you that I have brand new skin in the morning now after I switched from salicylic to glycolic. Just freaking try it. For reference the products I use are sulfer face wash, timeless vitamin c, L’Oréal glycolic, some sort of Korean essence (I like to switch those up just to have a little fun with my routine, Klairs midnight blue drops (peptides), Missha probio ampoule, hydroquinone or Tret depending on what cycle I am in, Careprost for lash/brow growth, la roche-posay double repair moisturizer, some Korean SPF depending on what finish I want, and elf whoa glow spf for the glow. Just try it for one bottle instead of salicylic. It’ll change your liiiiiiiife. Thank you for your videos and integrity.
Try the Reviv lash and brow serum no prostaglandin. I have had great results with it for lash growth
Kelly Driscoll focuses on Korean skincare mostly on her channel and she (and a few others I’ve watched) recommended Secret Key Starting Treatment Essence as a substitute for the ridiculously priced SK-II. I am using, and enjoying it. As she described, I can feel my skin drinking it in. I am going to check out the others mentioned. I think I have used the CosRX before…I currently use their snail mucin.
This was an incredible amount of work you’ve done in the name of our skin
Also, COSNORI has a good lash serum and the applicator is a dream. The Ordinarys applicator kind of dried out hard and hurts my lash line when I apply it. It’s available of yesstyle and Stylevana, I know you love Asian spfs so thought you might be able to give this one a try too :)
This is so interesting, and it actually makes a lot of sense to me because when I use hypochlorous acid spray on its own, I get the best results with my acne. When I’ve used it with other products besides sunscreen, I always got irritated and my acne didn’t heal faster. Thanks Abbey!
Personally though, I wouldn’t use salicylic acid cleanser and then a salicylic acid serum because you are getting the benefits from the cleanser. I’m curious as to why you do that?
Do u use it on a separate day alone? Or same day you use other skincare, just different time?
The benefit from the cleanser is minimal since you're just rinsing it off..
@@meganNefarious wrong. Salicylic immediately starts working upon contact with skin.
@@juhnetmickerdy I said it's minimal... not completely gone.. adding a leave on product will definitely add benefit...
one of my favorite videos!! you truly care and listen to your viewers to make sure you give us the most accurate advice.. thanks girly !!!
Abbey pls pls do an updated skincare routine ! Let us know if the copper peptides are working well the tret in your updated routine !!
I've been using the hypochlorous acid spray after washing before I use my Current Body mask. So far, that has been working really well for me. The Geek and Gorgeous Vitamin C is really, really good. I like it just as much as the Drmtlgy one.
That's a great idea!
I think that's the best way to use it- on clean skin, whether face or body (backne etc) before anything else. I'm a beauty therapist and encourage my facial clients with a compromised skin barrier/sensitive skin/rosacea/acne etc to use it first thing after cleansing💜
Hypochlorous Acid is used in the medical settings for wounds and works by direct contact on the microbe. I have used various brands that contain this active ingredient and attended multiple "in service" education events on these products. The overall theme is it needs to be applied to clean skin in order to be effective. Anything that creates a barrier needs to be removed before application. It is only active while wet. Once it dries the antimicrobial properties are no longer active. So the correct way is to use after cleansing and before anything else and allow it to dry naturally. Once it dries it should not react with any other products.
the ordinary serum has really worked for me and made my lashes grow a lot! i even have one rogue lash that grows super long and I need to trim haha. I think it just depends on consistency and the person. I started using twice a day and now use it once and the results have stayed consistent. Please keep us updated on the lash serums you try!
I have fallen in love with the Physician's Formula toner. Its harder to find now. Definitely cant/wont live without it!!! ❤❤❤😊
I really appreciate your follow up video. Thank you for answering my questions and going above and beyond in your research. It’s much more fun to learn from you than to read a scientific publication!
Thank you Abbey! I’ll be interested to hear your review on SK-ll PITERA. I purchased a bottle to try, fully expecting to de-bunk the hype and be completely unimpressed. To my complete surprise, I fell in love with it. The moisture retention and glow are beyond amazing. I’ve heard other brands with galactomyces (Cosrx, numbuzin etc) just cannot deliver the same results as SK-II. I’ll be waiting for your video review!!
Abbey thank you so much for the update. I trust you so much and your content, I really appreciate you being so dedicated to providing good advice.
As always, so much good info! Thank you for the thorough video and update. I've been using the Glow For It lash serum for about 4 months now with amazing results and no side effects. I love it! I've started using the CosRX essence 2 years ago after seeing videos from James Welsh and Kelly Driscoll about it and I can't be without! Works wonder on my skin (and I'm 20 years older than you :)).
Hey Abbey, several months ago when I had a visit with my dermatologist I asked her about this subject. She said if you had been using retinol/tretinoin products for awhile it would be ok to us them with other lactic, glycol acids. She also said it would be best to just use copper peptides in a.m. and your retinols p.m. thats just my 2 cents worth.
Interesting!! ok ok definitely something to consider
I have seen the same information being shared by derms - retinol/tretinoin products + acids CAN in fact be used in the same routine, if skin tolerates. I imagine it may be a bit difficult to tolerate, especially if you are using tret or if you are just starting skin care. But I think we have had too many fearmongering happening. People who are experienced in skin care - we want to know the whole story. I do not want to miss out good ingredient combos in fear it MAY irritate my skin, but which my skin can tolerate just fine. Each persons skin is different. I think these recommendations from manufacturers should be more specific and they should not play it safe and consider that everyones skin is sensitive. We can make our own decisions, skin care junkies that we are :D
Oh you are my hero!!! You just answered all my questions. Thank you so much. Wow I am very impressed with all the research you have done. You bringing reliable information to us from the experts is just impressive. I just have one question. What about using hypochlorus acid in the night? Would it deactivate other products as well?
Very helpful. Thank you for all the time you put in to this information! 🤩
Abbey! Love the way you did your eyes makeup today!!❤❤ Stunning beautiful
Thank you!! ❤
Thank you for your research! I am a licensed esthetician and still building my knowledge on ingredients. I found this interesting because the brand Image has an Ormedic Balancing Antioxidant Serum with Copper PCA. I’m sure they were formulated to play well together just like some product formulations have both retinol and vitamin c.