BookkeeperBill she probably focussed on one word in your argument because as soon as you called her hitler the rest of your argument lost any validity.
@BookkeeperBill Lmao Have you ever seen a farm and a slaughterhouse mate, change animals for humans and ''presto'' we have the holocaust. Your logic is funny
Super interesting to listen to the guy talk, I also grew up on a cattle farm (which my father still has) and I always saw the cows with their mums wondering outside, I even went with my dad at 3 am in the morning to helped my dad deliver a calf that was stuck during birth. I saw all the beauty of these animals, so peaceful not harming anyone, with their families, giving birth to their children in pain but welcoming their babies once they saw them. For 27 years I never made the connection to their lives being taken from them in fear, pain, confusion, likely desperate for mercy once they realised they were going to die in a slaughterhouse or smelt the blood of others that had died where they were going to be killed. I never made the connection to what was lying on my plate, what I had picked up care free at the supermarket that morning thinking about 'Dinner', that my money had paid for someone so beautiful, that loved its family to die. To be killed because I had ordered their life to be stolen from them. Never again. Never ever again.
BookkeeperBill methinks you project too much. What about what OP said makes you think they actually need psychiatric help, and a better question - what makes you qualified to make that assertion?
@BookkeeperBill You'll have to clarify why you actually think that? I'm quite interested to hear why what I have said has raised alarms. Or are you just trolling around youtube trying to make people feel bad that they don't want anyone ( as in any living, sentient being ) to be killed.
@BookkeeperBill WHAT :D haha, Daddy issues? My Dad is a seriously wonderful guy with a great heart. Strange statement to gather from my comment, are you sure you don't have some strange daddy issues that you're projecting onto my comment :D haha! Oh my goodness, sorry, but this is a hilarious assumption to make out of the fact that my Dad is a farmer that breeds cows, and then sells them to a slaughterhouse for people to kill, for people (consumers) to pay for that flesh at a super market. In terms of the occupation of an animal farmer I do not agree with it, even if the person is a wonderful good person the occupation of breeding living animals to trade them to a slaughterhouse is an immoral occupation. So in terms of his choice of occupation you definitely have a point there strange Bookeeper bill, my issue is that I do believe his choice of occupation is immoral and that I'm opposed to it, and I am opposed to killing which will happen to any farmed livestock animal eventually. I think your comment is manipulative, or you are just completely unable to fathom that people open their eyes to how horrific the Meat and Dairy industry is, if you don't believe what I have written above really happens then please, please go inform your apparently smart self and watch any slaughterhouse footage ( I dare you, I DOUBLE dare you 'Dude' ) of any animal. And please, you did not clarify what extract phrase you are referring to that I wrote that wrangled up all this psychological genius in you to write your reply. I presume you're just weaving around like the little internet troll you are, back into your cave you go now little lonely troll :)
@@og7277 are you referring to where I wrote 'I saw all the beauty of these animals, so peaceful not harming anyone,' or which phrase in my comment are you referring to?
I like how you let them talk and they start to realise about that their own convictions don't match with their behaviour. The Socratic method actually works!
@BookkeeperBill I recomend you look in to a dialectical method called "Street Epistemology". It was based on the socratic method and is highly effective in conversations about a wide range of topics. It was originally made to have nonconfrontational conversations about matters of faith and specifically god.
@Alex Orozco you would probably enjoy using Street epistemology. Just search it in youtube and you'll find the method. It's usually used for matters of religion but it can be adapted to other topics.
Credit to the lad, he's not well read on this subject but he's willing to debate it openly and with respect. Hopefully this will give him food for thought. Plus Ed must have deltoids of steel holding that mic up for so long 😂💪
@@mangomariel I think he meant when he'd holding the mic with his right hand. No kneee support and you can see his arms getting tired and he's trying to use his other arm to support it
That's what it reminded me of too. "I have no idea what I'm talking about, let's just ramble on about this random concept I've heard about once." He did make some decent comments at the start though before he realised what he got himself into.
Some on told me that the definition of murder is "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another human being." I guess it only applies to the human species alone.
@@MistahUnknown Words adapt to circumstances. When slavery was around, the word "property" could be used to designate a human being. Today, the circumstances are that human beings are not property, and can never be by law or culture (at least in most countries). Considering the vegan philosophy, it is only natural that a word like "murder" would be semantically extended to include the unnecessary killing of animals. It helps make the emotional connection with the victims.
@Doomsday Dictionary.com - murder, 6. to kill brutally Merriam-Webster - murder verb murdered; murdering\ ˈmər-d(ə-)riŋ \ 2 : to slaughter wantonly : SLAY Words are just words, imagine them as some kind of magnetic field that can expand or contract depending on circumstances. Extending "murder" to animals is not just acceptable, according to the very authority you are appealing to (dictionaries :D), it is also perfectly reasonable in the context of the vegan discourse. :) In fact, according to Merriam-Webster's second definition of the verb "to murder", which is "to slaughter wantonly", "murder" happens to be the most suited verb to use in this context!
This is really a nice format! Don't be harsh to the guy. He was open minded to seat down and have a comversation with Ed. This conversation was another step to bring him closer to veganism.
Most meat eaters are unwilling to watch any of the videos related to veganism, farm or otherwise, because they don't wan't to see the cruelty. Cognitive Dissonance.
@Doomsday you said you've yet to see any cruelty, is there not cruelty within that video? men holding lambs and slamming their heads against the ground, kicking and beating cows and pigs etc. how is that propaganda when it's video evidence of animal cruelty...
@Doomsday It doesn't claim that whatsoever. If I recall correctly, there's no mention of small farms. It's not propaganda, it's purely showing what generally happens behind closed doors in farms that are mass producing animal products in Australia. But the point is you said you've never seen any videos showcasing cruelty and now you have
@@paulombinya If you eat animals you eat more plants indirectly, it's simple physics. Animals have to eat plants, and only 10% of the energy they gain from plants get transferred to you when you eat the animal (it's called trophic levels in biology). So, by eating animals you indirectly eat 10x more plants on average. Also, plants have less consciousness than animals - that's simply a scientific fact.
@@laurentvegetale5923 About your numbers point of view, consider that lying is wrong, no matter how many lies you tell. There's nothing like acting 'less morally' or 'more morally'. There's only 'morality' and 'immorality'. If killing for food is wrong, you're immoral even if you kill one living thing. About consciousness, plants have the capacity to be harmed by virtue of being LIVING things. Consciousness has nothing to do with it.
I have had to stop watching to make this comment at 12.30, lets be clear we are not fine without our Mum's, the heart break is there for a reason. I will continue to watch now, I am wandering does this young man have a Mum ! How can he say such a thing.
My mum left me and my dad when I was 3, and I'm still here and it's not the worst thing ever. Where I disagree with this guy is it is not my decision or anyone else's whether another being should live without their mother or not. They may be fine, they may not be, but humans impose this on farm animals and that is cruel.
The thing that bugged me about it (and I can't believe Ed didn't mention it) was that the babies aren't fine after they're taken away, most of them get killed very shortly after they're taken.
Animals are not humans. You don't know for how long a calf needs its mum and you don't know if it needs it at all if it is instead placed with other animals like it. Again, animals are not humans. Cows are not humans. They are not apes either.
@@nevilleoreilly3106 Oh and your point about vegan diet being impossible, yes it is impossible to be 100% vegan, just like we can't be 100% plastic free(very hard anyway) but that doesn't mean we might as well use all the plastic we can. It's all about being practical and trying your best
Matt Lam exactly. This was pretty much my response when that same person comment the same comment on Ed’s last video. That person just doesn’t understand, but hopefully hey will one day!😊
Sk1son//FPVillain I believe that he took something away from the conversation. He said that he would consider giving up, or even just limiting, meat consumption. That is a big step, and I found the conversation encouraging
@@paulombinya well if you REALLY care about the welfare of plants, you should go vegan! Because animals that we raise to give products kill WAY more plants than humans do. 💚
@@victoriakathleen01 telling 10 lies is just as immoral as telling 100 lies. If killing members of other species for food is wrong, the number shouldn't really matter.
@@paulombinya I don't think that's true though. I think the number of individuals hurt by your actions matter. Of course, you don't actually care about plant rights. It's just a silly, illogical argument used to dispute veganism. But I hope you have a good day regardless 💚💚☺️
Before i start the video, I would like to say thanks Ed. Your outreach has really made an impact in society and my life. I was going down a bad path, and now I only lament I was not raised plant based. You are also one of a few rare personalities that embody all the traits of effective re education and activism, You look cool, you drop truth bombs coated in fluffy clouds of eloquence and competence. Your mental ram is pretty good too, you never let anyone sidetrack or use false arguments... Bravo. It also seems no one can walk away from the convo hating you. Only their own cognitive dissonance. I wish you all the best, and I will try and visit The unity diner after work tomorrow.. I hope the price range fits my demographic. Update, I went to Unity Diner, It is located in a trendy part of London, and the atmosphere fit perfectly, I got the loaded fries with vegan cheese, and it was the lick. Way better than I expected. I stood out like a sore thumb as soon as I walked in haha. At £8.95 or £4.50 per portion it is slightly above my social class, and based on my experience I would not have minded paying around £7. Overall highly recommended, and the proceeds help fund spreading the word, so that's cool. Ps, if the lady with the funny laugh is reading, i had a mega headache and at first it pissed me off, but after the 4th outburst i found it cute.
Those who claim to love animals while eating them experience cognitive dissonance - the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. Everyone needs a different amount of time to realize this, but once you do - there's no going back. The future is vegan, let's just keep planting those seeds. 🌱💙
What about the animal product u r using right now for posting on this thread. Your cell phone or computer is made with stearic acid that comes from pork, beef and poultry. It is an emulsifier that is used in the production of rubber, plastic, diodes, capacitors and many other components to assemble your electronic device. So, is it okay for animals to die for your conveniences in life or is it all about eating animals?
@@jeremysnow9034 When everyone stop consuming & buying animal flesh and other animal products, the meat, dairy, and egg industries will be no more(or will transform into plant-based industries) so no more animals will be bred, tortured, and killed, which means that there won't be any animal by-products to use in smartphones and other things. With the comment above you're just trying to somehow justify your habits, I've seen it so many times. Nobody can be 100% vegan in today's world, unfortunately, BUT we can do as much as we can to stop animal exploitation, like not eat their bodies for starters?
@@AnaMercury so, it isn't ok? If that's the case, then why do u indulge in animal products u don't need to live? U don't need a cellphone or computer to live and yet u r using one. It is fact they are not needed to live. They are just life indulgences. On another note, how do u know, if the animal industry was no more, that products made with animals would convert to using plants? How do u know they would work? Can u provide proof? Is this just ur opinion or do u have fact to back it up? U do realize the number of products made with animals, correct? What about all the health benefits? Look at vaccines and medicinal purposes. U do realize that u r free of killer diseases because of vaccines that come from animals. I don't think U r thinking this thru very thoroughly. Also, u can't say "it will just change to planted based" without proof. Since u said that, please explain and provide proof. Thanks.
Ana Mercury ; Exactly! And, once there is no more meat eating, or wearing of other animals’ skins and/or furs, and there are no more animal by-products, all the plastics, electronics components, etc. can just be made from plant & metal/earthen products only.
Julie Cooper...so...lets just take the electronics aspect of this example. Of course, there are 1000s upon 1000s of products that are made from animals..but let just stick with this example. Let me educate you on something about stearic acid and electronics. Stearic acid is used, not because it is just readily available form slaughterhouses, but because of it's chemical properties. The example Jeremy Snow gave above is absolutely true. This acid is an emulsifier to use in production of components to assemble your electronic device. The reason it is used is because it has very high and tight tolerances to heat, pressure, and friction. If it weren't for Stearic Acid...from animals....your electronic device would not work properly and be a pile of worthless garbage in a short period of time (it would overheat and stop functioning). There is not a plant substitute on this plant that can compete with the density and tolerance of Stearic Acid. Therefore, if it weren't for Stearic Acid...or....lets put it in simple terms for your understanding...dead animals...you wouldn't have a cellphone, computer, or tv to preach your activism. Now....I have a background in Chemical Engineering...so..if you want more precision in my response, it might go over your head from an education standpoint. So, you can either chose to believe me or not. However, the point is this. Vegans are using a non-vegan product, made by non-vegans, to preach their movement against non-vegans for being non-vegan. Now, if you want to talk about other products such as gas, oil, medicines, vaccines, cosmetics (which is my favorite as most state "cruelty free" but they are only referring to testing...not animal usage), ink, your automobile (which has one the largest concentration of animal usage), and too many others to just keep listing, then you let me know and we will discuss. I think the problem with Vegans is they only pick and chose what they want to debate when it comes to animal liberation and, then, with the other things I have mentioned, they want to use the excuse of the definition of veganism or some fallacy nonsense..OR..just not want to discuss it at all because they can not answer effectively and don't want to make hard choices in life to live without their conveniences. You say products can be made from plants. I want you to prove this theory of yours. If you can provide me how animal by-products can be replaced by plant products in a vast number of products, then please enlighten me. I want to know how you can make and produce certain life conveniences (such as your electronics), medicines, and too many others to list that can be made without animals for human benefit. You made the statement above that it can be done....so...I am asking you to prove it. Thank you.
@@Jibbuns nah I think he's just unaware. a lot of us had to learn all our info from youtubers, right? i think he just needs to be educated and he's clearly very open to it.
'Female genital mutilation' ... "What like Jack the ripper" ...🙄 Where did he find this guy. The majority of what he was saying was completely nonsensical
I was vegetarian from when I was born to when I turned 12 this year and that's when I went fully vegan as you helped me realise being vegetarian does not do anything for the animals.
It's not about eating Animals or treating them "humanely" or even liking or loving them. It's about not using them because it is immoral. We should be mindful of the language we use as it may convey the wrong message.
@@SincerelyShireen how so? Your concepts of right and wrong are almost definitely different to mine. Additionally there is not correct morals as they can change over time.
I really don't mean to be the only negative comment here but I got the impression this young man thinks dolphins are fish. Dolphins are mammals like cows are too.
@@TheFettuck they are not sentient because they don't have a brain. Anyone who equates carrots and mushrooms to sentient beings don't just not have a brain but they also don't have a heart
Wow this guy was side stepping all day, extremely difficult to listen to. Great job Ed. For me I have the urge to get them to actually answer questions directly and point out illogical points. This made me cringe endlessly.
Edis Delgado Every single time the interviewee was pointed out how illogical one of his points was, he went on a tangential spree of mumbo jumbo. I was holding my breathe waiting for ed to point out the man’s dissonance and repeat the question until the man admitted to realizing he was wrong. Had I been in Ed’s place, I would hammered those points into him. Not sure why he went so soft on him.
I grew up in a rural area and on a small farm. Still went vegan. Also @Doomsday dude ignorance is bliss but without the awareness of what is going on how on earth can you make an informed choice with what you eat or how you live your life. You do your research before you buy a new tech product so why not do it for something as simple as what you eat, use, wear?
Laurent Faurite You don’t need an excuse to kill beings who want to live just as much as you do unnecessarily?? So do serial killers not need any excuse either just because killing humans brings them pleasure?
I live opposite a small, family, free range, organic farm, I have witnessed violent beating of the cows as well as calves in cages for weeks at a time, amongst many other cruel things. The practices are THE SAME.
I do have some very short footage that I took in the summer, I will put it up. I didn’t catch the beating on film but I have footage of the calves in cages.
Southy no I agree the guy literally about to drop dead of a heart attack because he can't stop stuffing his gullet with dog corpses, destroying the planet, and stealing food from poor people is a lot more stable ;)
If we go to the free range organic model, we will need far more cows because it doesn't crank out the amount of animal protein of factory farms. We'll have to grow the cows on Mars and ship the meat back to Earth.
@@nevilleoreilly3106 Bone meal is used because it is abundant and cheap. If we didn't kill 70 billion animals every year, it wouldn't be so abundant, and we would find another type of fertilizer, like compost, soybean meal, alfalfa meal, kelp extract, etc.
@@nevilleoreilly3106 What makes you think that vegans are either (i) 'left wing'; (ii) 'socialist'; or (iii) 'hippie'? I find Stephen Tkacs counter-point compelling - can you substantiate your argument?
OK I just want to say that these videos are so helpful to me!! All these people that you talk to you have very similar views to the people that I talk to about and the way you respond is so calm and collected that it helps me learn how to keep my cool and be informative at the same time.
A vegan diet seeks to reduce suffering as much as possible. Feeding animals for meat takes at least 10 times more plants than it would take to just feed the plants to people, so even if there's some bone fertilizer involved, veganism would reduce the amount needed. There are also other fertilizers, bone isn't the only option. You're right in principle though that there are certain aspects of our life we don't yet have the ability to eliminate animal products entirely. But new inventions and breakthroughs are coming along constantly. This is an uphill battle, not some moral gold star purity cult. Every little bit helps. I'm sure many vegans are socialists but I don't know what relevance that has to animal suffering. Like is that really your argument here, the socialist boogeyman? Why not address what you disagree with with facts instead of feelings?
Ive been asking people lately and I feel its really getting people thinking is this “Do you guys think animals want to be harmed or abused or slaughteredfor meat, dairy, eggs and animal products?”
Even though i've seen loads of these types of conversations, and Ed is an absolutely amazing advocate.. I am still amazed by the lack of connection people have with their food.. they just can't see what is right in front of them or if they can they refuse to accept it. it's fascinating. at the beginning when Ed asks his guest about the origin of milk and poses the question are cows artificially inseminated? his guests response is 'maybe, but then humans are too'.. and even when Ed replies "with consent".. the guest then changes the topic and says 'ahh well it's for the advancement of humans, like plastic,' and then he says 'we need protein' - sidetracking.. The skill of Eds debating is he allows his guest to sidetrack and then he takes them back to look at the artificial insemination bit again.. and he does this so calmly until his point is made.. total respect.
This all started with "you can't love animals and eat them" and he ended up at a "I don't value animal life on the level of human life". So there's no love there then.
"you need protein to make you stronger, you need all that stuff to make you, healthy or whatever." Please do not listen to people who do not understand what they are talking about. I'm so grateful for Earthling Ed because he has the patience vegans need to make the difference we need to make in this upside down world.
you have every right to question cultures ,and if you disagree with it then you can change ,it's not difficult,please people rethink what you define as food.
When I’m having a bad day and feel like I’m a crap human I feel a little better knowing I’m doing what I can. I watch your videos and I’m reminded that we’re not all mad by being vegan. We’re just doing what we can to reduce a problem we see. Vegans aren’t the most judgemental people. We’re just very aware and want others to be aware too. Sorry if this wasn’t coherent.
I love the way that he gets them to make the connection themselves by asking questions. He lets this guy talk more than he does rather than explaining everything to him. It’s simple but brilliant.
I think the beautiful thing in this is that the interviewee is engaging with the topic and educating himself on this issue. His relative word wizardry is pretty irrelevant. Let's support everyone who wants to make themselves better.
I changed my mind and lifestyle the second I watched what the health. I don’t get the cognitive dissonance of people who have seen these documentaries and just continue on their way. Funny how he said we need protein and milk to be healthier yet he’s well overweight.
What?! A cow isn't going to produce milk "for anyone", a cow doesn't walk up to a baby crocodile (let alone a baby human) and say: "Forget about my baby cow, you are more important!"
Mikey Grande Yeahh sorry I read it as "Why do you have so many subs" and thought you meant it as in "Who would want to subscribe to someone like you" idk though I've been making videos for a while and I've had a few end up somehow getting a lot of views and I guess most of the subscribers came from those 😹
‘We just have to come together to find a solution to stop intensive farming and the cruelty of dairy’ is essentially what he’s saying. We have a word for that already, mate. It’s called veganism
It beyond me that some people can’t just realize that a life is a life. It’s not anyone’s to take. How can you not put yourself in that position? Man contradicted himself about caring for animals every other statement. It’s mad how brainwashing actually works. I was brainwashed too.
TheFettuck if that’s what makes your inherent guilt sleep better at night mate. You can clearly hear and see an animals pain and relate to it. If you can’t because you think microorganisms are the same. You’re an idiot.
TheFettuck I can go round in circles on the all day. Microorganisms are not the same as a whole cow or a pig. These animals have been proven to have a conscience. Proven by many scientists, one being Stephen Hawkings but let me tell you this. You really don’t need science to tell you they can think and feel as we do. It’s obvious. The only reason it’s not for you is because you kill but society has told you “it’s ok”. Tough stuff brainwashing. But I use to down milk everyday and eat meat just like you. You have your whole life to change. Unfortunately farm animals usually don’t get past their infancy. Just have a little bit of remorse pal.
@@TheFettuck Sentience & necessity mate. No one is going to embrace ebola virus or other diseases. Veganism is not a zero sum game where there are no suffering at all. It is to strive as much as practically possible to reduce needless harm.
@@TheFettuck Yup I agree if you in a position or situation that allows you to pick/cut plants then yeah do it. Obviously, everyone have different circumstances & should strive to do as best as they could to be make more ethical decisions. Cheers mate :)
I grew up on a working ranch in n. CA foothills. My best friend was our breeder sow. She was so sweet and affectionate. She would let ride around on her. One day she was gone. Years later when I asked my dad what happened to her, his response was "I fed her to you". Becoming vegan was the easiest choice I've ever made
Great talk ed, you're seriously the best in the game at this. One little thing though, when you ask something about the difference in morality of killing one animal and another, and they start talking about how morality is subjective and different for everyone, you should bring it back to it being about THEIR moral view. I find this happens a lot, they'll start bringing up different cultures and viewpoints when what I want to know is what THEIR beliefs are.
It is a shame, that my english is not good, I try to understand but it is so fast to me, I hope soon your videos are in spanish for me is very important everything about your information, thank you!!
I read through the comment section and just had this idea that if we are here because we respect and appreciate Ed's approach and his methods, perhaps a good way to show it would be through adapting the very same approach to his speakers in the comments. I can imagine being such a person who, thanks to a conversation like this, starts rethinking their stance on veganism and their own choices, is grateful that someone talked to him in such a polite and informed manner, but then sees the video on yt, reads through the comments, and feels deceived and disappointed with the community because it turns out that he has been respected during the interview only to be mocked, looked down on and scorned in the comments. My point is, if we are here because we are impressed with Ed's way of approaching conversations with non-vegans and we think this is an effective form of activism, then, to be consistent, maybe we should try to apply this approach in our comments.
I'm doing it for animal welfare. I've decided I can't love animals and also eat them. The journey is long and tough but I am determined to succeed with it.
Dear Ed! Do you feel this 'change my mind' approach is more effective than your other activism? Will you check out this amazing activist Humane Hancock's street interviews? :D Much Love!!
We live next to a biodynamic farm. The brother of friends of ours runs it. He's a lovely guy. My son's class go and work on the farm, helping to harvest veg for veg boxes. There were four beautiful pigs in a pen by the farm entrance. They'd run to you, eager to be fed and to be petted. On Monday, the kids arrived and the pigs were gone. My youngest asked where. And I could see the disbelief on his face that these beautiful, friendly, characterful animals are no longer there because people want to kill and eat them.
Great video Ed! I’ve been vegan for about 3 months now since watching your videos. I am so happy when I see passionate vegans speak about their compassion for animals but I really hope you all feel the same way when you see black people unnecessarily killed by the police and Mexicans tear gassed at US Borders. A lot of vegans are educated when it comes to the suffering of animals but don’t know a single thing about the suffering of our fellow man.
Phantastic Drago That may seem like a given however the definition of a vegan is “a person who does not eat or use animal products.” I’m sure there are plenty of vegans who think all human suffering is wrong but we can’t deny the fact that it is possible to be racist, sexist or homophobic and still be vegan.
Phantastic Drago Why is it so hard to take criticism. You know what I’m saying is true but you’d rather act like being a vegan automatically makes you a good person.
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It is so touching when someone can take you valid points, admit them as such and really allow their mind to be broadened or changed. By the end he was telling you how to use ethical education to help people change as he just had. Pretty great.
I don't even like animals and i still think that it's wrong to eat them, so unless the person really thinks they need animal products for survival they really don't have a leg to stand on.
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Ed, you're a patient, gracious, articulate and intelligent man.
He really is ❤️
@Paul Semmens He made an argument, you answered with an assertion. Useless.
I have been vegan for three months and you have been my biggest inspiration over that time. Keep up the incredible work. :)
Well Done! You will fall in love with it more and more! ❤️
You keep up the incredible work, many beings thank you. Amitābh
@@azoresplayah Thank you :)
@@positivekarolina1260 thanks! :)
Thank you Lydia!
"I've got nothing against vegans." I hear that all the time. Oh you don't object to me not killing? That's big of you man.
BookkeeperBill she probably focussed on one word in your argument because as soon as you called her hitler the rest of your argument lost any validity.
@BookkeeperBill Lmao Have you ever seen a farm and a slaughterhouse mate, change animals for humans and ''presto'' we have the holocaust. Your logic is funny
@BookkeeperBill oh so you object to Leslie's objection about someone not objecting to veganism.
@OP alas, there are also some who do.. looks like you've found some already
Theres 2 sides to that coin
Super interesting to listen to the guy talk, I also grew up on a cattle farm (which my father still has) and I always saw the cows with their mums wondering outside, I even went with my dad at 3 am in the morning to helped my dad deliver a calf that was stuck during birth. I saw all the beauty of these animals, so peaceful not harming anyone, with their families, giving birth to their children in pain but welcoming their babies once they saw them. For 27 years I never made the connection to their lives being taken from them in fear, pain, confusion, likely desperate for mercy once they realised they were going to die in a slaughterhouse or smelt the blood of others that had died where they were going to be killed. I never made the connection to what was lying on my plate, what I had picked up care free at the supermarket that morning thinking about 'Dinner', that my money had paid for someone so beautiful, that loved its family to die. To be killed because I had ordered their life to be stolen from them. Never again. Never ever again.
BookkeeperBill methinks you project too much. What about what OP said makes you think they actually need psychiatric help, and a better question - what makes you qualified to make that assertion?
@BookkeeperBill You'll have to clarify why you actually think that? I'm quite interested to hear why what I have said has raised alarms. Or are you just trolling around youtube trying to make people feel bad that they don't want anyone ( as in any living, sentient being ) to be killed.
@@CLGevers Why are you using the word "anyone"? I do not think you can apply this word to animals.
@BookkeeperBill WHAT :D haha, Daddy issues? My Dad is a seriously wonderful guy with a great heart. Strange statement to gather from my comment, are you sure you don't have some strange daddy issues that you're projecting onto my comment :D haha! Oh my goodness, sorry, but this is a hilarious assumption to make out of the fact that my Dad is a farmer that breeds cows, and then sells them to a slaughterhouse for people to kill, for people (consumers) to pay for that flesh at a super market. In terms of the occupation of an animal farmer I do not agree with it, even if the person is a wonderful good person the occupation of breeding living animals to trade them to a slaughterhouse is an immoral occupation. So in terms of his choice of occupation you definitely have a point there strange Bookeeper bill, my issue is that I do believe his choice of occupation is immoral and that I'm opposed to it, and I am opposed to killing which will happen to any farmed livestock animal eventually. I think your comment is manipulative, or you are just completely unable to fathom that people open their eyes to how horrific the Meat and Dairy industry is, if you don't believe what I have written above really happens then please, please go inform your apparently smart self and watch any slaughterhouse footage ( I dare you, I DOUBLE dare you 'Dude' ) of any animal. And please, you did not clarify what extract phrase you are referring to that I wrote that wrangled up all this psychological genius in you to write your reply. I presume you're just weaving around like the little internet troll you are, back into your cave you go now little lonely troll :)
@@og7277 are you referring to where I wrote 'I saw all the beauty of these animals, so peaceful not harming anyone,' or which phrase in my comment are you referring to?
I like how you let them talk and they start to realise about that their own convictions don't match with their behaviour. The Socratic method actually works!
Socratic method????
@BookkeeperBill I recomend you look in to a dialectical method called "Street Epistemology". It was based on the socratic method and is highly effective in conversations about a wide range of topics. It was originally made to have nonconfrontational conversations about matters of faith and specifically god.
@Alex Orozco you would probably enjoy using Street epistemology. Just search it in youtube and you'll find the method. It's usually used for matters of religion but it can be adapted to other topics.
I like it too. You can notice they are like oh shit your right lol
TIL about the socratic method, thank you.
How good of Daisy to produce milk for the local community 😂😂😂
Credit to the lad, he's not well read on this subject but he's willing to debate it openly and with respect. Hopefully this will give him food for thought.
Plus Ed must have deltoids of steel holding that mic up for so long 😂💪
Ed coming in strong with the vegan gains!
I wish Ed would invest in a couple of clip-on mics :-)
Must be in the lack of protein haha!
He is resting his elbow on his knee.
@@mangomariel I think he meant when he'd holding the mic with his right hand. No kneee support and you can see his arms getting tired and he's trying to use his other arm to support it
I feel so bad for him. It takes me back to school when I forgot it was my turn to present and I had no idea what I was on about but just kept going :D
That's what it reminded me of too. "I have no idea what I'm talking about, let's just ramble on about this random concept I've heard about once."
He did make some decent comments at the start though before he realised what he got himself into.
lol
Sounds like you just done that
Lmaoooo
He faces a professionnal (!) activist so it's not a fair confrontation.
I feel Ed held back on this one. He rightly sensed this guy was in over his head
Ed, the vegan one punch man, giving his opponent a chance.
I think it was more to meet this man where he is and do his best to relate the man. Way better chance to actually help the man to make connections.
"Murder house", a lot more accurate than "slaughterhouse". We should start using this new terminology.
Some on told me that the definition of murder is "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another human being." I guess it only applies to the human species alone.
@@MistahUnknown Words adapt to circumstances. When slavery was around, the word "property" could be used to designate a human being. Today, the circumstances are that human beings are not property, and can never be by law or culture (at least in most countries).
Considering the vegan philosophy, it is only natural that a word like "murder" would be semantically extended to include the unnecessary killing of animals. It helps make the emotional connection with the victims.
@Doomsday not true, you're cherry picking the definition that suits you. Murder is premeditated unnecessary killing in general.
@Doomsday Dictionary.com - murder, 6. to kill brutally
Merriam-Webster - murder verb
murdered; murdering\ ˈmər-d(ə-)riŋ \
2 : to slaughter wantonly : SLAY
Words are just words, imagine them as some kind of magnetic field that can expand or contract depending on circumstances. Extending "murder" to animals is not just acceptable, according to the very authority you are appealing to (dictionaries :D), it is also perfectly reasonable in the context of the vegan discourse. :)
In fact, according to Merriam-Webster's second definition of the verb "to murder", which is "to slaughter wantonly", "murder" happens to be the most suited verb to use in this context!
Alex Roma I suggest you ignore this imbecile and don't waste your time and intelligence. They're clearly a lowly troll.
This is really a nice format! Don't be harsh to the guy. He was open minded to seat down and have a comversation with Ed. This conversation was another step to bring him closer to veganism.
Victoria Z. No one is being harsh to him..?
this guy loves his documentaries
xD
Most meat eaters are unwilling to watch any of the videos related to veganism, farm or otherwise, because they don't wan't to see the cruelty. Cognitive Dissonance.
TheFettuck
Most vegans have a concept on the hierarchies or consciousness.
I mean I am watching this video and I am eating my steak while watching it. It tastes good 🥩🥩🥩😋
@Doomsday go watch dominion, it's on youtube.
@Doomsday you said you've yet to see any cruelty, is there not cruelty within that video? men holding lambs and slamming their heads against the ground, kicking and beating cows and pigs etc. how is that propaganda when it's video evidence of animal cruelty...
@Doomsday It doesn't claim that whatsoever.
If I recall correctly, there's no mention of small farms. It's not propaganda, it's purely showing what generally happens behind closed doors in farms that are mass producing animal products in Australia.
But the point is you said you've never seen any videos showcasing cruelty and now you have
"Greggs would go out of business" "Or theyd go vegan"
This comment aged well.
Thank you in teaching me how to not yell at everyone who says "but bacon tho"
Honestly I never understood what the big deal is with bacon. I always thought it was gross even back when I used to eat meat 😹😷
@@PsychedelicKitten same so fatty and greasy 🤢
But dogs though 😂
Jenny Horsburgh exactly why I always hated it, and the smell as well, makes me gag it's awful 😷
But plants have feelings too!
Doing my first work of public activism on Sunday! So excited! Thank you Ed, for everything.
Vegans kill plants! Both plants and animals are living things. Why do you think the life of one group is more important than the other?
@@paulombinya If you eat animals you eat more plants indirectly, it's simple physics. Animals have to eat plants, and only 10% of the energy they gain from plants get transferred to you when you eat the animal (it's called trophic levels in biology). So, by eating animals you indirectly eat 10x more plants on average. Also, plants have less consciousness than animals - that's simply a scientific fact.
@@laurentvegetale5923 About your numbers point of view, consider that lying is wrong, no matter how many lies you tell. There's nothing like acting 'less morally' or 'more morally'. There's only 'morality' and 'immorality'. If killing for food is wrong, you're immoral even if you kill one living thing.
About consciousness, plants have the capacity to be harmed by virtue of being LIVING things. Consciousness has nothing to do with it.
I've never heard of anyone thinking that babies don't need their mums ... I completely disagree ... but interesting
Yeah crazy comment
Yeah the dissonance is huge with this ome
After watching a bunch of your videos I went vegan on Thanksgiving and since then my brother has gone vegan too! Never looking back 🐮🌱
great to hear! :)
Whoohoo!! Good on ya!!!.💚
That is wonderful to hear! So happy to have you both on the right side of justice! Have a great journey! :)
This is the power of truth!!! 💚🌱🌱🌱🌱
That is wonderful! Neither your brother or you are going to regret this decision!
Luv all that you do, Ed.....but miss those awesome street interviews ! ;)
Great Ed. The only way to get the message across is exactly how you do, calmly, without judgement and with all the info at hand ♡
Exactly
I have had to stop watching to make this comment at 12.30, lets be clear we are not fine without our Mum's, the heart break is there for a reason. I will continue to watch now, I am wandering does this young man have a Mum ! How can he say such a thing.
My mum left me and my dad when I was 3, and I'm still here and it's not the worst thing ever. Where I disagree with this guy is it is not my decision or anyone else's whether another being should live without their mother or not. They may be fine, they may not be, but humans impose this on farm animals and that is cruel.
angela lynch ; Good question... 😞💔🐮💔😞
The thing that bugged me about it (and I can't believe Ed didn't mention it) was that the babies aren't fine after they're taken away, most of them get killed very shortly after they're taken.
Animals are not humans. You don't know for how long a calf needs its mum and you don't know if it needs it at all if it is instead placed with other animals like it. Again, animals are not humans. Cows are not humans. They are not apes either.
@@CostasAn But why do we get to decide what happens to a calf and mother? Shouldn't we just let them be as nature intended?
Love everything you do, thank you so much for being so calm and patient!✌️
neville oreilly what if you grow your own food?
@@nevilleoreilly3106 LOL vegans voted for brexit. I love it when meat eater comes up with shit like this
@@nevilleoreilly3106 Oh and your point about vegan diet being impossible, yes it is impossible to be 100% vegan, just like we can't be 100% plastic free(very hard anyway) but that doesn't mean we might as well use all the plastic we can. It's all about being practical and trying your best
Matt Lam exactly. This was pretty much my response when that same person comment the same comment on Ed’s last video. That person just doesn’t understand, but hopefully hey will one day!😊
i wheezed when he called slaughter houses 'man slaughter'
Me2 haha
Haa! Amazing moment
poor guy didn't know what he got himself into ;)
what an original comment.
James Washington you sure are commenting a lot. Are you triggered?
Sylke lmfao seriously 😆
Unfortunately I believe he still walked away clueless.
Sk1son//FPVillain I believe that he took something away from the conversation. He said that he would consider giving up, or even just limiting, meat consumption. That is a big step, and I found the conversation encouraging
"Making me feel like..." all he's doing is telling the truth aka facts, if you feel a certain way thats on you.
Projecting/reflecting 😹
Vegans kill plants! Both plants and animals are living things. Why do you think the life of one group is more important than the other?
@@paulombinya well if you REALLY care about the welfare of plants, you should go vegan! Because animals that we raise to give products kill WAY more plants than humans do. 💚
@@victoriakathleen01 telling 10 lies is just as immoral as telling 100 lies. If killing members of other species for food is wrong, the number shouldn't really matter.
@@paulombinya I don't think that's true though. I think the number of individuals hurt by your actions matter. Of course, you don't actually care about plant rights. It's just a silly, illogical argument used to dispute veganism. But I hope you have a good day regardless 💚💚☺️
Before i start the video, I would like to say thanks Ed. Your outreach has really made an impact in society and my life.
I was going down a bad path, and now I only lament I was not raised plant based.
You are also one of a few rare personalities that embody all the traits of effective re education and activism, You look cool, you drop truth bombs coated in fluffy clouds of eloquence and competence. Your mental ram is pretty good too, you never let anyone sidetrack or use false arguments... Bravo.
It also seems no one can walk away from the convo hating you. Only their own cognitive dissonance.
I wish you all the best, and I will try and visit The unity diner after work tomorrow.. I hope the price range fits my demographic.
Update, I went to Unity Diner, It is located in a trendy part of London, and the atmosphere fit perfectly, I got the loaded fries with vegan cheese, and it was the lick. Way better than I expected.
I stood out like a sore thumb as soon as I walked in haha. At £8.95 or £4.50 per portion it is slightly above my social class, and based on my experience I would not have minded paying around £7.
Overall highly recommended, and the proceeds help fund spreading the word, so that's cool.
Ps, if the lady with the funny laugh is reading, i had a mega headache and at first it pissed me off, but after the 4th outburst i found it cute.
Those who claim to love animals while eating them experience cognitive dissonance - the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. Everyone needs a different amount of time to realize this, but once you do - there's no going back.
The future is vegan, let's just keep planting those seeds. 🌱💙
What about the animal product u r using right now for posting on this thread. Your cell phone or computer is made with stearic acid that comes from pork, beef and poultry. It is an emulsifier that is used in the production of rubber, plastic, diodes, capacitors and many other components to assemble your electronic device. So, is it okay for animals to die for your conveniences in life or is it all about eating animals?
@@jeremysnow9034 When everyone stop consuming & buying animal flesh and other animal products, the meat, dairy, and egg industries will be no more(or will transform into plant-based industries) so no more animals will be bred, tortured, and killed, which means that there won't be any animal by-products to use in smartphones and other things.
With the comment above you're just trying to somehow justify your habits, I've seen it so many times. Nobody can be 100% vegan in today's world, unfortunately, BUT we can do as much as we can to stop animal exploitation, like not eat their bodies for starters?
@@AnaMercury so, it isn't ok? If that's the case, then why do u indulge in animal products u don't need to live? U don't need a cellphone or computer to live and yet u r using one. It is fact they are not needed to live. They are just life indulgences.
On another note, how do u know, if the animal industry was no more, that products made with animals would convert to using plants? How do u know they would work? Can u provide proof? Is this just ur opinion or do u have fact to back it up? U do realize the number of products made with animals, correct? What about all the health benefits? Look at vaccines and medicinal purposes. U do realize that u r free of killer diseases because of vaccines that come from animals.
I don't think U r thinking this thru very thoroughly. Also, u can't say "it will just change to planted based" without proof. Since u said that, please explain and provide proof. Thanks.
Ana Mercury ; Exactly! And, once there is no more meat eating, or wearing of other animals’ skins and/or furs, and there are no more animal by-products, all the plastics, electronics components, etc. can just be made from plant & metal/earthen products only.
Julie Cooper...so...lets just take the electronics aspect of this example. Of course, there are 1000s upon 1000s of products that are made from animals..but let just stick with this example. Let me educate you on something about stearic acid and electronics. Stearic acid is used, not because it is just readily available form slaughterhouses, but because of it's chemical properties. The example Jeremy Snow gave above is absolutely true. This acid is an emulsifier to use in production of components to assemble your electronic device. The reason it is used is because it has very high and tight tolerances to heat, pressure, and friction. If it weren't for Stearic Acid...from animals....your electronic device would not work properly and be a pile of worthless garbage in a short period of time (it would overheat and stop functioning). There is not a plant substitute on this plant that can compete with the density and tolerance of Stearic Acid. Therefore, if it weren't for Stearic Acid...or....lets put it in simple terms for your understanding...dead animals...you wouldn't have a cellphone, computer, or tv to preach your activism. Now....I have a background in Chemical Engineering...so..if you want more precision in my response, it might go over your head from an education standpoint. So, you can either chose to believe me or not. However, the point is this. Vegans are using a non-vegan product, made by non-vegans, to preach their movement against non-vegans for being non-vegan. Now, if you want to talk about other products such as gas, oil, medicines, vaccines, cosmetics (which is my favorite as most state "cruelty free" but they are only referring to testing...not animal usage), ink, your automobile (which has one the largest concentration of animal usage), and too many others to just keep listing, then you let me know and we will discuss. I think the problem with Vegans is they only pick and chose what they want to debate when it comes to animal liberation and, then, with the other things I have mentioned, they want to use the excuse of the definition of veganism or some fallacy nonsense..OR..just not want to discuss it at all because they can not answer effectively and don't want to make hard choices in life to live without their conveniences. You say products can be made from plants. I want you to prove this theory of yours. If you can provide me how animal by-products can be replaced by plant products in a vast number of products, then please enlighten me. I want to know how you can make and produce certain life conveniences (such as your electronics), medicines, and too many others to list that can be made without animals for human benefit. You made the statement above that it can be done....so...I am asking you to prove it. Thank you.
This guys arguments were so strange, i don't even know if i could debate him properly, he kinda just talked about irrelevant stuff.
Like being on a plane and putting your mask on before a child? That made me laugh.
It was all just fluff 🐏 but at least he was respectful!!
dude is a moron, even frustrating to listen to
@@Jibbuns nah I think he's just unaware. a lot of us had to learn all our info from youtubers, right? i think he just needs to be educated and he's clearly very open to it.
actually, any argument against veganism is dump... :D
'Female genital mutilation' ... "What like Jack the ripper" ...🙄 Where did he find this guy. The majority of what he was saying was completely nonsensical
I was vegetarian from when I was born to when I turned 12 this year and that's when I went fully vegan as you helped me realise being vegetarian does not do anything for the animals.
His analogies are hilarious. They serve no point other than to change the subject.
Yes, I thought that many times. Between his evasions, he brings up hokey bunkum like Gregg's (a baker) not having sausages and going out of business.
Agreed, pure ignorance.
Aww I thought they were cute. I liked him even if he does eat meat 😜
How many grams of fiber have you had today?
@@magetaaaaaa How many fibres of today have grams had of you...go vegan.
That guy is not very bright, but he is a great dancer...Around questions.
Not "dancer.. around questions" 😂
Condescending
The more he spoke, the more he just didn't make any sense! Nice enough lad though 👍
Trust me, he knows. Most of us have been in denial so we've been there. I think it made him reevaluate
@maya moon he says that in order to appear somewhat consistent in his supposed argumentation. He knew he was losing the argument half way through.
this guy is a total drip
@@Jibbuns what one
@@chrisclark2356 not Ed
It's not about eating Animals or treating them "humanely" or even liking or loving them. It's about not using them because it is immoral. We should be mindful of the language we use as it may convey the wrong message.
Morality is subjective.
And
If using something is immoral then are you opposed to manual labour or work?
@@BOBBOB-ft1ij finally a person with sense
If someone doesn't like animals, why would they care about not using them?
@@BOBBOB-ft1ij Morality is NOT subjective. 🙄
@@SincerelyShireen how so? Your concepts of right and wrong are almost definitely different to mine. Additionally there is not correct morals as they can change over time.
I really don't mean to be the only negative comment here but I got the impression this young man thinks dolphins are fish. Dolphins are mammals like cows are too.
Cristiana Cabral ; I guess he took “You are what you eat” literally. So, I guess he thinks the dolphins are fish & also that he is a cow? Lol! 😉💜🐬🐮🐬💜😄
@@TheFettuck they are not sentient because they don't have a brain. Anyone who equates carrots and mushrooms to sentient beings don't just not have a brain but they also don't have a heart
Allusive Ashly this person is a troll 👆👆👆 don’t waste your time 🌱
Wow this guy was side stepping all day, extremely difficult to listen to. Great job Ed. For me I have the urge to get them to actually answer questions directly and point out illogical points. This made me cringe endlessly.
Edis Delgado Every single time the interviewee was pointed out how illogical one of his points was, he went on a tangential spree of mumbo jumbo. I was holding my breathe waiting for ed to point out the man’s dissonance and repeat the question until the man admitted to realizing he was wrong. Had I been in Ed’s place, I would hammered those points into him. Not sure why he went so soft on him.
Just because you grew up in a farm area doesn't make that a valid excuse. Your patience amazes me every time, Ed.
I grew up in a rural area and on a small farm. Still went vegan. Also @Doomsday dude ignorance is bliss but without the awareness of what is going on how on earth can you make an informed choice with what you eat or how you live your life. You do your research before you buy a new tech product so why not do it for something as simple as what you eat, use, wear?
@@phantasticdrago230 Because you are a soy boy
We don't need excuses to eat meat.
G M R boohoo tree hugger
Laurent Faurite You don’t need an excuse to kill beings who want to live just as much as you do unnecessarily?? So do serial killers not need any excuse either just because killing humans brings them pleasure?
I turned vegan 4 months ago and 2 weeks ago my mom and my sister went vegan too. My father is vegetarien, at least. 🙂
Well done, this made me smile.
@@longstrandna1 💚🌍🌳
I'm watching this while eating...
A soy vanilla pudding😊 It's deliciuos
@ambidextrousfapper Dude, you killed the joke!
@ambidextrousfapper Medium raped? Wtf
maybe look into the soy farming industry, it's not so great
i've only just discovered the information about it myself
Medium raped, suppose it beats well done raped
Soy pudding tastes of shit, just eat some ice cream
I live opposite a small, family, free range, organic farm, I have witnessed violent beating of the cows as well as calves in cages for weeks at a time, amongst many other cruel things. The practices are THE SAME.
w3sb do you have any pictures or videos we’d love to see
@@tom4412 Just put "waitrose organic dairy farm" into youtube and marvel at the "humane" treatment of calves...
@@tom4412 You want to see baby cows get beaten? That's sick.
I do have some very short footage that I took in the summer, I will put it up. I didn’t catch the beating on film but I have footage of the calves in cages.
Video is now up on my channel.
how does he watch so many documentaries and know so little?
Ed so intellectually merciful to the merciless.
Southy no I agree the guy literally about to drop dead of a heart attack because he can't stop stuffing his gullet with dog corpses, destroying the planet, and stealing food from poor people is a lot more stable ;)
Southy carb changed his ways, obviously. heart attack guy still on radio promoting the above. good argument, tho. keep at it ;)
where there's a mass amount of animal eaters there's a mass amount of mass production
Tru dat
Sharon strikes again with another gem of wisdom!
If we go to the free range organic model, we will need far more cows because it doesn't crank out the amount of animal protein of factory farms. We'll have to grow the cows on Mars and ship the meat back to Earth.
These videos are brilliant ed
@@nevilleoreilly3106 Bone meal is used because it is abundant and cheap. If we didn't kill 70 billion animals every year, it wouldn't be so abundant, and we would find another type of fertilizer, like compost, soybean meal, alfalfa meal, kelp extract, etc.
@@nevilleoreilly3106 What makes you think that vegans are either (i) 'left wing'; (ii) 'socialist'; or (iii) 'hippie'?
I find Stephen Tkacs counter-point compelling - can you substantiate your argument?
why did the ad have to be a literal steak cooking class.... sort this out RUclips
river I mean look at it this way, they're advertising on a channel that doesn't support them 🌱
9 out of 10 times I watch vegan content on youtube, the ad is for an animal based food product/service. 🙄
@@pri.sci.lla. awesome perspective
When I watch a meat channel the ad is for vegan food. RUclips is trolling
Berserker Fate what do you mean wtf
Vegan channels get meat commercials
Keto/carnivore channels get vegan commercials
Someone at RUclips is trolling
OK I just want to say that these videos are so helpful to me!! All these people that you talk to you have very similar views to the people that I talk to about and the way you respond is so calm and collected that it helps me learn how to keep my cool and be informative at the same time.
A vegan diet seeks to reduce suffering as much as possible.
Feeding animals for meat takes at least 10 times more plants than it would take to just feed the plants to people, so even if there's some bone fertilizer involved, veganism would reduce the amount needed.
There are also other fertilizers, bone isn't the only option. You're right in principle though that there are certain aspects of our life we don't yet have the ability to eliminate animal products entirely. But new inventions and breakthroughs are coming along constantly. This is an uphill battle, not some moral gold star purity cult. Every little bit helps.
I'm sure many vegans are socialists but I don't know what relevance that has to animal suffering. Like is that really your argument here, the socialist boogeyman? Why not address what you disagree with with facts instead of feelings?
This guy's random analogies over and over again, damn. 😵😵
: ''cognitive dissonance has entered the chat''
Ive been asking people lately and I feel its really getting people thinking is this “Do you guys think animals want to be harmed or abused or slaughteredfor meat, dairy, eggs and animal products?”
Even though i've seen loads of these types of conversations, and Ed is an absolutely amazing advocate.. I am still amazed by the lack of connection people have with their food.. they just can't see what is right in front of them or if they can they refuse to accept it. it's fascinating. at the beginning when Ed asks his guest about the origin of milk and poses the question are cows artificially inseminated? his guests response is 'maybe, but then humans are too'.. and even when Ed replies "with consent".. the guest then changes the topic and says 'ahh well it's for the advancement of humans, like plastic,' and then he says 'we need protein' - sidetracking.. The skill of Eds debating is he allows his guest to sidetrack and then he takes them back to look at the artificial insemination bit again.. and he does this so calmly until his point is made.. total respect.
This all started with "you can't love animals and eat them" and he ended up at a "I don't value animal life on the level of human life". So there's no love there then.
A lot of rambling and not a lot of valid arguments from this guy. He can't seem to grasp what Ed is trying to tell him.
"you need protein to make you stronger, you need all that stuff to make you, healthy or whatever." Please do not listen to people who do not understand what they are talking about. I'm so grateful for Earthling Ed because he has the patience vegans need to make the difference we need to make in this upside down world.
Facts and logic destroy carnist nonsense every time
There's no logic in veganism.
you have every right to question cultures ,and if you disagree with it then you can change ,it's not difficult,please people rethink what you define as food.
you get around it by going vegan simple, that's the solution
TheFettuck that's not getting around it that's getting out of it
@@TheFettuck omg I've said stuff like this before and it always freaks people out lol
When I’m having a bad day and feel like I’m a crap human I feel a little better knowing I’m doing what I can.
I watch your videos and I’m reminded that we’re not all mad by being vegan. We’re just doing what we can to reduce a problem we see. Vegans aren’t the most judgemental people. We’re just very aware and want others to be aware too.
Sorry if this wasn’t coherent.
Frankie Mia very wise words thankyou ,and merry Xmas👍❤
I love the way that he gets them to make the connection themselves by asking questions. He lets this guy talk more than he does rather than explaining everything to him. It’s simple but brilliant.
smh i got a steak ad.. youtube obviously not the best at advertising to the correct audience
His analogies are so random and hilarious!
This was truly painful to listen to, the conversation was too complicated for this fella
Bip Rilly I agree, show him some happy piggies and then some horrible slaughter footage and I reckon he’ll turn
At least he was respectful!!
Totally agree Jessie
I think the beautiful thing in this is that the interviewee is engaging with the topic and educating himself on this issue. His relative word wizardry is pretty irrelevant. Let's support everyone who wants to make themselves better.
You'd think that'd be simple logic for most people that does not need any debates but most humans are "special".
Can you eat meat and still love your family? Assuming you agree humans are animals?
I changed my mind and lifestyle the second I watched what the health. I don’t get the cognitive dissonance of people who have seen these documentaries and just continue on their way.
Funny how he said we need protein and milk to be healthier yet he’s well overweight.
i love at the very end, he's convinced. you're awesome
This video should've ended at 0:35 lol
What?! A cow isn't going to produce milk "for anyone", a cow doesn't walk up to a baby crocodile (let alone a baby human) and say: "Forget about my baby cow, you are more important!"
been watching since you were at 5k and i’m so frickin proud of you man keep up the amazing work💖💗💕
way to go ed! really love these type of conversations!
Ironically I was actually watching part 1 about an hour or so ago before I subscribed 💞
Great timing! 😂
Yay enjoy his channel, Ed is a brilliant activist!!!!
Psychedelic Kitten how do you get so many subs ?!
Psychedelic Kitten didn’t mean to be rude just trying to grow my channel and curious!!
Mikey Grande Yeahh sorry I read it as "Why do you have so many subs" and thought you meant it as in "Who would want to subscribe to someone like you" idk though I've been making videos for a while and I've had a few end up somehow getting a lot of views and I guess most of the subscribers came from those 😹
love team vegan - thank you - peacefully fighting for animals is powerful
‘We just have to come together to find a solution to stop intensive farming and the cruelty of dairy’ is essentially what he’s saying. We have a word for that already, mate. It’s called veganism
Loved this interview, finally a rational argument from both sides without the usual idiocy about plants feeling pain and canines and all that crap
This guy's strategy is to be as unclear as he can be. Meh!
This is so helpful for people who are vegan and it helps know how to answer questions fired at you with confidence 🤓
It beyond me that some people can’t just realize that a life is a life. It’s not anyone’s to take. How can you not put yourself in that position?
Man contradicted himself about caring for animals every other statement.
It’s mad how brainwashing actually works. I was brainwashed too.
Ps Ed’s a legend
TheFettuck mate. These animals scream and fight for their lives just as we do. Why is that not justification enough for you? Wacky.
TheFettuck this is exactly what I mean about brain washing. No matter how evident a fact is, it is constantly denied.
TheFettuck if that’s what makes your inherent guilt sleep better at night mate. You can clearly hear and see an animals pain and relate to it. If you can’t because you think microorganisms are the same. You’re an idiot.
TheFettuck I can go round in circles on the all day. Microorganisms are not the same as a whole cow or a pig. These animals have been proven to have a conscience. Proven by many scientists, one being Stephen Hawkings but let me tell you this. You really don’t need science to tell you they can think and feel as we do. It’s obvious. The only reason it’s not for you is because you kill but society has told you “it’s ok”. Tough stuff brainwashing. But I use to down milk everyday and eat meat just like you. You have your whole life to change. Unfortunately farm animals usually don’t get past their infancy. Just have a little bit of remorse pal.
Is there an ethically or humanely way to discriminate or bully or kill or rape? Apparently putting the word 'humane' first justify an act.
@@TheFettuck Sentience & necessity mate. No one is going to embrace ebola virus or other diseases. Veganism is not a zero sum game where there are no suffering at all. It is to strive as much as practically possible to reduce needless harm.
@@TheFettuck Yup I agree if you in a position or situation that allows you to pick/cut plants then yeah do it. Obviously, everyone have different circumstances & should strive to do as best as they could to be make more ethical decisions. Cheers mate :)
I grew up on a working ranch in n. CA foothills. My best friend was our breeder sow. She was so sweet and affectionate. She would let ride around on her. One day she was gone. Years later when I asked my dad what happened to her, his response was "I fed her to you". Becoming vegan was the easiest choice I've ever made
Great talk ed, you're seriously the best in the game at this. One little thing though, when you ask something about the difference in morality of killing one animal and another, and they start talking about how morality is subjective and different for everyone, you should bring it back to it being about THEIR moral view. I find this happens a lot, they'll start bringing up different cultures and viewpoints when what I want to know is what THEIR beliefs are.
Amazing activism, thank you so much for all that you do for the animals! Love you, Ed! 💜💚
Murderhouse, interesting that he used that word to describe what we do to animals, yet continues to defend...
Vegans kill plants! Both plants and animals are living things. Why do you think the life of one group is more important than the other?
Not try a be harsh but 8:00 “One man and three husbands” 😂😂😂😂 and “mass produshion”
He was talking so much Eds arm was falling off
He had to hold it up 😂😭😂
This guys whole argument made me lose a couple brain cells. Great job to Ed for not laughing at him the whole time.
It is a shame, that my english is not good, I try to understand but it is so fast to me, I hope soon your videos are in spanish for me is very important everything about your information, thank you!!
MARIA EUGENIA ROMERO BERTONI ¿Has intentado usar subtítulos en español o ralentizar el video?
@@roonatalie908 gracias!! Lo intenté cuando lo vi, pero no había subtítulos, ya los veo ahora!! ;)
I read through the comment section and just had this idea that if we are here because we respect and appreciate Ed's approach and his methods, perhaps a good way to show it would be through adapting the very same approach to his speakers in the comments. I can imagine being such a person who, thanks to a conversation like this, starts rethinking their stance on veganism and their own choices, is grateful that someone talked to him in such a polite and informed manner, but then sees the video on yt, reads through the comments, and feels deceived and disappointed with the community because it turns out that he has been respected during the interview only to be mocked, looked down on and scorned in the comments. My point is, if we are here because we are impressed with Ed's way of approaching conversations with non-vegans and we think this is an effective form of activism, then, to be consistent, maybe we should try to apply this approach in our comments.
This guy needs to educate himself.
I'm doing it for animal welfare. I've decided I can't love animals and also eat them. The journey is long and tough but I am determined to succeed with it.
Dear Ed! Do you feel this 'change my mind' approach is more effective than your other activism?
Will you check out this amazing activist Humane Hancock's street interviews? :D
Much Love!!
I will!! Thank you for the suggestion and namaste 💚
Love how he says people will pick flowers for their mum but before said we're fine without our mums... Lol
13:21 if ONLY there was a way to get around not drinking cow's milk !!! 🧐🤔🤔
Yep, clearly no alternatives lol
We live next to a biodynamic farm. The brother of friends of ours runs it. He's a lovely guy. My son's class go and work on the farm, helping to harvest veg for veg boxes. There were four beautiful pigs in a pen by the farm entrance. They'd run to you, eager to be fed and to be petted. On Monday, the kids arrived and the pigs were gone. My youngest asked where. And I could see the disbelief on his face that these beautiful, friendly, characterful animals are no longer there because people want to kill and eat them.
Great video Ed! I’ve been vegan for about 3 months now since watching your videos. I am so happy when I see passionate vegans speak about their compassion for animals but I really hope you all feel the same way when you see black people unnecessarily killed by the police and Mexicans tear gassed at US Borders. A lot of vegans are educated when it comes to the suffering of animals but don’t know a single thing about the suffering of our fellow man.
Vegans think all unnecessary suffering is wrong, that includes human suffering.
Phantastic Drago That may seem like a given however the definition of a vegan is “a person who does not eat or use animal products.” I’m sure there are plenty of vegans who think all human suffering is wrong but we can’t deny the fact that it is possible to be racist, sexist or homophobic and still be vegan.
@@t.6071 yeah ok, in any given population of people there are bad eggs.
Phantastic Drago Why is it so hard to take criticism. You know what I’m saying is true but you’d rather act like being a vegan automatically makes you a good person.
Humans are animals therefore vegans do not wish to cause harm to any animal......
LOL you were like GOTCHA when he mentioned oil and plastic. good one Ed
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I always see these ‘change my mind’ type videos and I’ve been saying for a while someone needs to do a vegan version of this! So glad it was you ed ❤️
Of course it's slightly different, THEY CERTAINLY ARE LIVING "Things".......... Another educated video Ed, GREAT!
“Greggs would go out of business”
“or they’d go vegan”
Greggs, January 3rd: vegan sausage rolls
They don’t love animals, they’re lying, that’s the bottom line.
It is so touching when someone can take you valid points, admit them as such and really allow their mind to be broadened or changed. By the end he was telling you how to use ethical education to help people change as he just had. Pretty great.
I don't even like animals and i still think that it's wrong to eat them, so unless the person really thinks they need animal products for survival they really don't have a leg to stand on.
U r using animal product right now
How can you not like animals?! I just can't understand
@@Elliestandsforpeace You don't have to like someone to not want to hurt them. 😎
Kudos to this guy for stepping bravely into the conversation, but wow was he in over his head.