You as well. Thanks for seeing the light. The non-human homies appreciate it. We have similar backgrounds too, nice sunset. Haha @@ChrisGaultHealthyLiving
I went vegan last year in February and now I feel like I've been vegan my whole life lol. I can never go back to hurting others for something as stupid as taste/texture.
I attended an extremely conservative christian college and was the only Peter Singer fan. I wrote an essay on veganism and the grading bias was so blatant I lost a lot of respect for that professor. If you want to be intellectually honest, be vegan!!
It’s honestly not much better in more progressive academic spaces. I went vegan as a teen and had a rather unique childhood that allowed me to experience schooling on both sides of the aisle. I lived in a very conservative area of AZ until age 16, then went to a private performing art school in MA for a year followed by a year at a public high school in MA. Personally, I’ve always been a very passionate progressive and like most of my political beliefs, my veganism was at best dismissed but more often outright ridiculed by my teachers and peers in AZ schools. My attempt to get a vegan lunch option at my high school was ignored and when I tried to start multiple social clubs, one dedicated to environmentalism and the other to vegan activism, I couldn’t even find a teacher to sponsor them. I was also a very good student, so when I tried to include animal rights in an essay or research project, I noticed right away the tendency for my grades to suffer. At both the private and public schools I attended in MA, a significantly more politically progressive community, I found that all of my political opinions were more acceptable except for my veganism. Naively, I thought that since the dress code was more relaxed and there were rainbow flags in many of the classrooms that I could have productive conversations about animal rights with my teachers and classmates. I was wrong. I brought up animal rights during a Socratic session in US history and my teacher immediately shut me down. Later, I wrote a meticulously researched final paper analyzing the parallels between the industrialized killing of humans and the bigotry that enabled it during the Armenian g€nocide and later WWII, and the industrial slaughter of non humans and the speciesism that enables it. The paper was for a class titled “H0locausts and G€nocides” and the prompt for the paper was to analyze a contemporary injustice that is relevant to the h0locaust. There could not have been a more appropriate scenario to include animal rights. But my grade in that class went from a 98% to a 66%, my teacher marked the assignment as not submitted, and had a private conversation with my about how disgusting and disrespectful my paper was. I tried to argue the validity of my position, but I had to go over the teacher to the Vice principal to force him to even accept the paper. And it wasn’t until after I showed them the dozen h0locaust survivors whom I cited and quoted in my paper (yeah the teacher hadn’t even read the whole thing or checked my sources before he decided to give me a zero). And even then, I could tell the vice principal supported me begrudgingly and even after accepting my paper, the teacher still gave me a D. I still think that politically progressive minds are far more likely to accept veganism than conservatives. But in the year 2024, veganism seems to be one of the few issues that both the left and right come together to be against.
Same for me. Grew up as a vegetarian, never had meat, but still had dairy and eggs every now and then, but it's wasn't until 6-7 years ago (28 atm) someone finally pointed out my hypocrisy, and I finally saw it and acted upon it.
@@Luftgitarrenprofi I mean as a fly on the wall without him having prepared anything. But yeah, as a bit on his show it would very much play out as you describe.
I was in that hypocritical state for 6 years. 6 years ago I decided to go vegan cold turkey, but quite soon after that I started eating some animal products again and became vegetarian, which I stayed for those 6 years. All this time I knew it was extremely hypocritical of me and I that I was still supporting animals suffering, even though I didn't eat meat. Well, now finally 3 months ago I went completely vegan and I'm extremely happy that now my diet and my lifestyle are aligned with my values.
@@DiamondCake2I don’t know if I should laugh (because your comment is funny if it’s purposefully dumb) or if English is not your first language and you don’t know what cold turkey means? 👀
Ben sounds like a manipulator to me. He knew he would be seen as a hypocrite, so he defused the question by quickly identifying as the worst possible option. That way, the questioner has nothing worse to throw at him, and is essentially silenced. Ben has said, by both his words and actions, that he will never be vegan. The truth is, he just cares that much more about himself and his own pleasure than about that of others. This makes it clear to me that he is a man of “Do as I say, not as I do” which makes him completely untrustworthy and not worthy of listening to. He has a talent for shutting people down by speaking really fast. But fast doesn’t mean right, and this is not the first time I have seen him shut someone down who actually had a good point, but just couldn’t get a word in edgewise.
Government don't change anything until the majority of the population supports it. This is a waste of time. It's all about the grassroots, not bureaucrats with agendas.
@@Empathy4Animals411 PBT is a _grassroots_ initiative creating bottom-up pressure for the negotiation of a global Plant Based Treaty as a companion to the UNFCCC Paris Agreement.
If animal products were better for the environment than plants, vegans would still not eat animals. Environmentalism has no meaningful affect on veganism as a philosophy.
@@bruise_willis well that's kind of the opposite of the point I was making. That would just mean you wouldn't be considered a vegan OR an environmentalist.
@@maaaaaap Correct. You would be an environmentalist. Let me give you an example: If tomorrow you woke up and discovered the climate crisis was solved, and the animal ag industry had figured out a way to raise and kill animals with net zero emissions, would you go back to eating animals? Because a vegan (someone who is against the exploitation of animals) would not, but a non-vegan plant-based environmentalist might.
I eat a WF omni. diet with an entirely clear conscience: Physiology before ideology! No intention of voluntarily entering the V jail. .. & I'm a Christian, so God's got my back!
@@bhavikasicka3098 I didn't make Him up. The HB is internally consistent, to those who choose eternal life, through faith in Christ Jesus. I'm not answerable to my peers, neither am I responsible for their choices. Those who are happy to be mere blips, in both time & space, are free to take that route.
@@Luftgitarrenprofi We'll see! The collection of texts which He directed are proving to be prophetically accurate, so hold on to your hummus, as we ain't gonna reach a Garden of Vegan. Peas!🙏
Ah, yes, the "meat tastes good "argument. No, it doesn't. Meat is just the platform for the flavor profile you're looking for. Think about this: you slaughter a cow and chop it up. From that same cow, you can make Mexican food, French cuisine, German food, Portuguese food, American food, Asian cuisine, British food, Italian dishes, etc. All those different styles of food from the same animal. It's not the meat that tastes good; it's the spices, sauces, and cooking methods that give it its flavor. If you've ever been to a barbecue cooking contest, the most important thing is the barbecue sauce.
if you simply cook meat (without anything added to it) it still tastes fine, if not good, the same as any other plant would without special seasonings. The same thing can be done with different plants but the underlying premise is that the plant/fruit etc itself still tastes good. I understand the argument for veganism but the argument saying meat doesn't taste good makes no sense.
This is why people hate vegans. You can say that you support vegans but you still get attacked by them. It is better to just call out the insanity of vegans every opportunity you get because there is no way to satisfy them.
I get the motivation of Shapiro not aligning his moral behaviour (not only eating habits) with his moral standards due to his political location on the right: It has a tactical background because vegans are considered as left and woke (soy boy meme). I'm a right winger too in Germany and I refused to put tactical issues above the lives the others - it's just not worth it, the price the animal are paying day by day for political strategies is to high so I went vegan two years ago. So you see: it is possible to be vegan as a rightwinger - it just depends on the hierarchy of your values besides your standard not to be a hipocrite.
How do you square defending systems and structures that harm and exploit people with your vegan morals? P.S.: Quickly looking at your channel you are just trying to be a token... Tip: AfD and their allies won't care about you, they are racist and they despise you regardless of your support. Stop being so gullible.
yoo du hier? Da sieht man mal dass die gradlose Einstufung in links und rechts manchmal schwierig ist. Ich bin politisch genauso eingestellt wie du aber bin vegetarier - davor veganer. Weniger für die Moral sondern eher für die Gesundheit. Auf jeden fall sehr cool dich bei solchen Kanälen kommentieren zu sehen :D
Yes, I'm a Hindu (conservative, in a religious sense) but vegan (transitioning), even though veganism is radically revolutionary in Hinduism, because our culture and religion have historically relied on cow slavery and carnist myths (e.g., the cow being a kaamdhenu, who GIVES her milk, even though, as vegans, we know that is a lie, she cannot consent, her milk is TAKEN without her ability to consent).
The problem is guys like me enjoy meat and other animals products And my faith allows it so to think that your opinions of deciding not to eat Chicken is going to prevent me from throwing a few Chicken wings in the frier is nothing but pure comedy to me
@@Veegan4theanimals it's not lack of empathy it's just nature bruv we were designed by nature to eat meat too, you know i can make the Same argument about plants right
@@Veegan4theanimals One has to accept that your way to see morality is not shared by most people. We are humans, we have to get by. Meat and eggs are a great protein source and if you care about the process of making it should be the decision of everyone themselves.
@@andewprod I have been vegan for 15 years. I'm not rich. I'm just a simple person. I grew up in Brasil. The more money we had the more meat during the week we ate. Eating animal body parts seems to be related to status, especially in my country. Unless you are in a desert island where there is nothing but ice I think you can justify them eating animals. Other than that you are just participating in the animal Holocaust. The worst , oldest and longest Holocaust in the history of earth. " As long as there are slaughter houses there will be battlefields." Leo Tolstoy
The whole point here is if you know that you're a hypocrite about something then you start to change and that's how maturity growth happens. I do appreciate that Ben is being honest but by not changing and staying a hypocrite trillions of animals are horrifically suffering and dying for people's taste buds and that is not acceptable. I am vegan for the animals first and foremost. They deserve a life of Happiness just like people do.
You rightfully bring up his Good Ranchers ad, but I think it’s also worth discussing that this is a major revenue source for him. I’ve listened to several Daily Wire host podcasts and they always have ads for Good Ranchers. Lots of ad money coming in from this company. If Ben went vegan, he would lose a lot monetarily speaking. It’s the same reason even an otherwise very thoughtful and self reflective farmer might go out of his way not to understand the arguments a vegan is making to him. He just doesn’t know how he will earn his living if he accepts that it’s wrong to kill animals, so he refuses to accept it. This, in my opinion, is another reason why Ben would rather live acknowledging his hypocrisy but pretending he has no obligation to correct it. The Daily Wire’s far right rhetoric is often highly inflammatory (and I say that as a person who listens from time to time because I’m actually fairly conservative in many of my views (and also vegan for many years!) It must be difficult to secure consistent ad revenue, and to alienate a sponsor of all his shows by using his platform to promote veganism (which he would do just by becoming vegan) would be a very difficult thing to do. It would also be the right thing to do, and he really should do it. But it would certainly be difficult.
I would love to see a debate between Ed and Ben. Not that the two are even slightly comparable in terms of critical thinking... Ben is a freaking propagandist.
As far as the right goes. I see Ben as one of the better ones. The debate between them would be a waste of time. I don't think Ben would disagree with Ed.
@@florencejin I would like to see that too, but the problem with Peterson is that he became almost incapable of sustaining a debate. In the last years he got less and less mentally lucid...
Ben is correct about gender identity and somewhat correct about abortion. He is also favorable toward Vegans. Other than being associated with the Daily Wire, and schizos like Peterson he's fine.
12:02 this is such a great insight Ed. Carnism needs to reinforce itself not only through accepting and embracing certain ideas but by cultivating identities that reject the antithesis (veganism).
I do think recognising one's hypocrisy is the first step to change. I may not like Ben Shapiro. I may not care for his hypocrisy. BUT I do respect his intellectual honesty, because as least it offers the possibility of change. He recognises what the right thing to do is. He just needs to finally 'take the plunge' so to speak. I suppose the problem are those people who are comfortable with their own hypocrisy but I'm not sure Shapiro is. He's such a high-profile figure and as this video demonstrates, he is being held to account by others for his hypocrisy, so, eventually, it feels like he may have no choice but to change. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but it's certainly preferable to someone who ties themselves in knots trying to 'intellectually' defend the indefensible in order to 'justify' their own lifestyle.
Great vid Ed highlighting the blatant and obvious hypocrisy of Shapiro’s position! Re: that ad - IMO most branding and marketing is manipulation that appeals to values and identity politics. A smart PR campaign could easily promote the ethics of veganism to align with conservative patriotic values of the right.
I watch a lot of Ben's content, so I've actually seen A LOT of segments over the years that showed he has some sympathy for the animals unalived for meat. A couple of months ago, Ben did a youtube short reacting to Gary Yourofsky debunking a meat eater argument, and his response wasn't a full embrace, but implied that Gary basically ate in that argument. There was another video where he reacts to Thanksgiving TikToks, and one of the clips was a person with a pet turkey alongside a cooked turkey in the oven, which is supposed to be funny in some people's eyes, and he thought it was sad and mentioned he is one of the people that would like for lab grown meat to happen. While we all (vegans) wish he would embrace what he clearly knows what is the ethical choice, I still think it's huge to have a person with his large of a platform (let alone conservative) even just acknowledging that there is a moral dilemma in unaliving animals. It shows he is a lot more honest than he has to be and seems to think it's important enough to vocalize to his audience on multiple occasions. Ben doing that is better than most people, so I have to give credit on that.
I like the video he did where he openly mocks and misgenders trans people to his audience of braindead sheep! Ben Shapiro is not even sympathetic to other humans, don't count on him becoming any kind of vegan activist.
Hearing some of Shapiro's reasoning, it is the same for Same Harris. I'm big fan of Sam as public intellectual, listening to his podcast and meditation app. But his position on veganism was always hard to bend with his other views. Here are some: supporter of cultivated meat, admitting moral inconsistency and hypocrisy of eating meat but doing so anyway, tried being vegetarian when younger and felt "miserable without energy", teaching buddhist-inspired compassion and kindness, as neuroscientist he's convinced at minimum mammals (maybe birds) are conscious with capacity to suffer and feel joy ... Ed, I recommend to do similar analysis on Sam. It would be more complex landscape than Shapiro's case, for sure.
"at minimum mammals and maybe birds" ??? yikes .. i'd say the evidence is unequivocal for birds, for various aquatic animals .. piling up for even simpler fish, for reptiles, for insects lol .. I'd hope Sam Harris has gotten past mammals and birds by now
Maybe you should watch this video again. Ed wasn't trying to prove Ben was a hypocrite about veganism if Ben said it. Ed was trying to call Ben to act on his supposed beliefs if he is for veganism. But Ben was hypocritical in other ways which Ed talked about. Such as Ben saying people get over offended when he got overly offended at PETA calling the mass daily systemic killing of livestock a Holocaust. Ed also criticized Ben for other things like getting hung on words and semantics too much when that doesn't change reality, like animal abuse. And Ben also claimed to care about truth and reality, but Ben fell prey to getting offended, distracted, and tangled in words too much. Ed also talked about the problem of how some people use admitting they're hypocritical as a excuse to not have action. Also, how do you know Ben wasn't just giving lip service to the man who called Ben out to his face? And that maybe Ben didn't plan to act on his views for veganism.
Quite a lot of my non-vegan Christian prolife friends have admitted I am being consistent as a vegan (I am equally involved in prolife work as in animal rights) and yet frustratingly they do not go vegan! But how many vegans admit they are not consistent when it comes to respect for human life in the womb? A great many in my experience
I could never eat animals regardless of if people think they taste nice, to me I just feel 🤢🤮 plus Animals are amazing and need our protection and care. Animal Rights Now!
28:34 Excellent point about punishing animals, and in a horrible way, for something humans have done. People commit this fallacy or similar often and it's sad.
I said to people I am a hippocrite when I was vegetarian, because I knew veganism was the right thing to do, but I just loved cheese so much I could not bring myself to give it up (I am swiss for context, we have an eating culture revolving heavily around cheese). After 8 years vegetarianism, I ginally succeeded in going vegan. but I still crave cheese very much, even now 5 years vegan.
You can tell when people have a conscience. Also, Ben admitted he was bullied and picked on as a kid, so he inherently knows what it's like to be abused and I think that he's clearly got the capacity to have empathy for animals. I hope Ben one day realizes this, makes the connection and has the courage to live his values regardless of if his conservative audience don't share them.
Most right-wing personalities dont even have the bravery of conceding that veganism has a point, so kudos to him for that. I'm a social-liberal and I couldnt care less about the political ideology of my peers. I'd love to have Ben as fellow vegan. Even though veganism is evidently a progressive idea, it is also alligned with a couple of conservative values. Personal responsibility, as Ed mentions, is one of them. The sanctity of life is another one. Also, veganism is not revolutionary, it is reformist. We are not trying to create a new morality from scratch, but rather just expand the existing moral circle so it includes all sentient individuals. Be brave, Ben. Protect the innocent, don't take advantage of their vulnerability. You know it's the right thing to do.
yeah honestly i get what Ed is saying, but I'm astonished ben has even said half the stuff he said about veganism. most left wingers don't even do that. so definitely scraping the bottom of the barrel here for sure, but credit where credit is due.
Why were you bullying Ben initials? It was petty, irrelevant to veganism, and makes veganism look bad. There's other people with the initials BS too. So you would be bullying them too.
Trying to cause the least amount of harm to other living beings is not a new concept and if you define veganism that way then It's definitely not a new concept. Being politically conservative or liberal has nothing to do with it either. The people that make it about that have a fault in themselves and it's their trip not reality. Btw, i found the young man calling out Ben to be judgemental and biased. Most everyone has hypocrisy within themselves unless you're a saint so to point fingers at someone's hypocrisy as if you're above it in that tone doesn't sit well with me.
@@Mich-G I'm firmly in the sphere camp, as the elegant laws of physics are God's laws. Job 26:7 (KJV): '7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.'
@@Mich-G The statement that God 'hangeth the earth upon nothing' is an accurate description of physical reality. I began reading the HB while studying to become a fizzix teacher & didn't sense that I'd have to choose between faith & science. They belong to complementary dimensions, rather than being mutually exclusive.
Agreed with your comments surrounding Veganism being tied into the sociopolitical rhetoric where the true definition of veganism from a purely ethical point of view ends up being misrepresented. It’s a very simple philosophical stance, avoid harming non human animals as far as practicable and possible. Keeping the argument simple, makes for less nonsense rhetoric that takes focus away from the core issue.
9:52 I think this is a bit reaching, he didn’t say he was a good person on this specific topic, he admitted he was hypocritical about it, and he did not “virtue signal” around it
He said he was a hypocrite. If he was a vegan, then he wouldn’t be a hypocrite. I am a vegan now, but for many years, although I knew I was in the wrong morally, I couldn’t bring myself to give up consuming animal products. Moreover, I was overweight and desperate to lose weight all my adult life, but stress drove me to overeat and eat junk food. I totally get what Ben is saying. What we want to do, and what we can manage are two very different things.
Thank you, you seem very reasonable - so many here bashing Ben when they were once hypocrites too. I'm a fan of just about all of his views, I really want him to be vegan.
@@Paul-Johnathan I am whole food plant based. For the first time in my adult life weight is not a problem. Did you eat a lot of processed vegan food? I eat a lot of nuts and my weight does go up a bit when I do so.
@@Paul-Johnathan Well, I can only tell you what happened to me. I am 66, and had struggled with being overweight since my mid teens. It got a lot better when I retired (at 60) because I cut out all processed food (though I was still an omnivore). I realised, at this point, that my inability to do this before I retired was because of chronic stress. I had tried very hard to lose weight all my adult life, but never succeeded for long. After 60, I lost weight but I still had to keep an eye on my weight, as it would creep up, especially if I was under stress. About 2 years ago I became a whole food vegan and I lost a further stone without trying. And now, although my weight does fluctuate, it always stays on the low side. For the first time since my teens, I can forget about my weight, as it looks after itself.
How hard can it be, just put 'plant based' in your supermarket website search ? Find Richmond No chicken and This isn't Chicken - tastes better than chicken and it isn't grown in a lab. Have to say well done to the Israelis who have turned Vegan, it was relevent the factory farms being like concentration camps to many of the survivors of the holocaust, more so for them. I heard they got inspired by a reality show Vegan.
Assuming Ben's response in that audience Q&A is the most recent words he's spoken on the subject, it sounds like he's moving towards veganism over time. It took me two years to go from understanding my moral hypocrisy, to vegetarianism, to veganism. Now I'm 7 years vegan. It's just hard to give up something you enjoy. Maybe he'll get there...
19:15 - Speaking of bugs, I'm curious of what vegans and veggies think of household pest extermination. I've been veggie for roughly 25 years and vegan a couple years and this subject has been troubling me. As much as I hate the idea of harming living creatures, I don't wanna share a kitchen with ants, roaches, spiders etc. Although I have yet to research this issue, I haven't seen any vegan/veggie vids regarding this issue...yet.
Veganism doesn't limit your political spectrum though guys, I hope everyone understands that. And vegan DOES NOT mean woke or radical leftest, lets break the stereotypes!!! I am Vegan and a right leaning moderate I believe the left has very insane views of some things.
Unfortunately the majority of people (in any area of their lives) live in cognitive dissonance for their whole lives and never act on it. For example, it can range from something like ‘I should exercise for my health’ to ‘my partner isn’t right for me’ to ‘I don’t agree with eating animal parts or byproducts’. Most people never act on these core beliefs they have. I’m not sure how that can be fixed besides cultural awareness and societal shift in knowing your level of personal accountability for what is personally important to you
Ben openly admitted that he is a hypocrite in this context / moral issue. I raise my hat for his straightfoward answer. One can debate why his is no a vegan, but this is a decision, which is entirely up to Ben. Personally I would love to see Ben joining the vegan community.
“Consuming animal products is a ‘choice’ only insofar as society allows you to choose to do things that are obviously and indisputably morally wrong. Are you free to choose to hold racist views? Yes, you are. Is it morally wrong to judge others solely by their skin colou? Yes, of course it is. So saying that something is a ‘choice’ says nothing about its morality. We cannot morally justify consuming animal products. Period. Consuming those products may be a matter of ‘choice’ but only in a most superficial sense. It is not a matter of choice for anyone who takes morality seriously.” - Gary Francione
Rather you have no hat than use it to commend anyone that stands by all that defines fame, lies, impertinence, disrespect to gather fans! Is that the new measure? Hello! I just love murdering women! BravoI at least owns up to it! what next? This kind of twerp is not an example for anything. His team is for all that is wrong with the world. Under the guise of lies and deceit he gets a front row seat to push his disgusting agenda. Grow up!
Spot on! Thank you. Daily I find my sanity and values protected by brilliant, sensitive,ethical people who adhere to humanism. Our evolution is necessary to protect our species and that of all animals. Nature’s work of art!
@@deannabollo170 Humanism is by definition speciesist. And what does it mean to believe our species is a work of art, considering the systems of extreme violence we create, and which people teach their children to perpetuate?
@@fading_trails where did I say anything reporting to your answer? Reminded of those hanging from buses and trains? You’re a fake. Humanism speciesist! Blimey what a nonsense response. Please do not reply any more. A poseur soiling my space.
As someone from Texas, I relate to when you talk about the identity politics in America and its relation to meat consumption. Thanks for the meaningful content!
It's naiv to think that knowing for the "better" mean that you Automaticly act accordingly for the "better". This asumption is BS, been a hypocrite is No Motivation,and our society is full of exemples
Though conservatives are known for not being vegan (I'm more of an anomaly, I guess), it's not like liberals are predominantly vegan either. It's a shame not more people are vegan, regardless of political views.
this bothers me so much we are always lumped in with the left so most conservatives hate veganism by default. but the left is just as against veganism most of the time lol
@@princeofmayonnaise and the reason the left is against veganism is because the left is all about if it feels good you should be able to do it. Even if it destroys your body and makes you morbidly obese/
I’m curious about this topic and have some questions that came up whilst watching , full disclosure I’m not vegan and so please excuse my ignorance if this is insensitive . How do vegans feel about parasites ? Because Parasites cause suffering and pain and death even to many animals. Sadly I had first hand experience of a horrible parasite killing an animal . However the parasite is a living as well. What do vegans propose we do about parasites. Of course parasites affect humans as well. If u get a parasite would you kill it or let it take its natural course even if that has a huge negative affect on your health , death even ?
I'm not personally conservative nor republican but I knew a group in my community who were strict ethical vegans and ultra strict conservative religious fanatics. They were pretty much hated by everyone left and right alike but I respected them for their Veganism at least.
It is absolutely concerning how many people here seem to "like Ben Shapiro". I recently lost my role as an organiser for an activist organisation because of transphobia that had infected the higher management of the group. If you don't support the rights of other humans, which he doesn't, then you are not vegan. It's antithetical to the message of causing as little harm possible to sentient creatures.
Why do we have to consider transgender people when we are discussing an issue (veganism) that has nothing to do with them? There may be vegans who support transgender rights and those who don’t. Veganism is to do with ending animal suffering, not sex transitions for humans.
@@TheFunnyCave Veganism is about not killing, exploiting or commodifying animals because we recognize that, despite their differences, they are worthy of that consideration and the maximization of their well-being. Opposing trans people's existence and thereby their well-being goes against this unless you are so bigoted you see trans people somehow lacking something animals have.
I think once we recognize the hipocrisy between our thoughts and our actions, it becomes stressful to continue the same behavior that we engaged in prior to new information.
Before I write what I want to write, I just want to say a huge thank you for this video and all of the previous ones. Brilliant! I would like to only mention sth about the last point you've made: causing harm to the planet is indirectly leads us to cause harm to sentient beings, too. Both humans and non humans.so it is not just a biproduct of vegan philosophy, it is the same in my opinion. The only difference is that one is direct and the other one is indirect. Bigup!!❤
It’s great that ben is so open to it IMO. Right and left opinions are secondary to the animals for me. He didn’t say he was not going to do anything about it. He was thankful for the reminder and said he was going to think more on it. To me, he should be encouraged rather than criticised. There are a lot of left wing politicians who “love their meat”. Let’s keep politics out of this? I’m not a fan of his by the way.
Love you Ed but I can't watch this. Ben Shapiro is a horrendous individual, on par with Piers Morgan whose entire life is just spreading lies and hate. What a pitiful existence.
How ridiculous. They're nothing alike and Ben does NOT spread hate, just truth. He admits he's a hypocrite until he becomes vegan also, who else does that, did you?
@carmadefries3729 Define "everything" -- oh, you mean he's anti-Woke? Thank God for at least that. Did you admit you were hypocrite before you went vegan?
@@mikethats4thebirds600 Define woke? Anyone who uses the terms wokeism/wokeness/woke is instantly discredited as an intellectual. I don't know about who you're asking the question to, but I do accept that I was a hypocrite before I went vegan, because I was.
@@RoidRage-yc7yg No? He's done debates on TV, which are most of his debates. His street videos are not supposed to be the vegan version of "owning the libs", they're a demonstration of street advocacy, where the goals is actually to change the mind of the person who you talk to, not to get rhetoric victories.
@@RoidRage-yc7yg Which debates has he lost then? Or are you just saying stuff, framing it as a matter of winning or losing, so you don't have to think about the arguments?
To be honest, and trust me, I dislike Ben Shapiro as much as the next guy, but at least he's honest about his hypocrisy. I have to give it to him. I mean, I remember when I used to justify my consumption of animal products, then started admitting it was wrong but I couldn't/didn't want to stop, and then I went vegan. Who knows, maybe I'm giving the guy too much credit, but most meat eaters would rather stay in their comfortable congnitive dissonance before admitting what they're doing is, at the very least, questionable.
I'm pretty far right-leaning, and there's actually quite a few vegans on the right. So many, that there's been a bunch of hit pieces on conservative vegans (and vegetarians) in mainstream media. I don't like Ben much, personally. But one notable conservative vegan is Liz Wheeler. She's been vegan and conservative for ages.
I also want to say, I think veganism better lines up with conservatism. We value all life, no matter how big, small, or where it's located. Of course, human life is infinitely more important than any other life, as we have a moral compass and we're able to make decisions that impact the rest of eternity for all life. We also tend to be more financially focused. Supply and demand. Don't buy things you don't want to support. Conservatives tend to have so much love for their own dogs (as a stereotype, but stereotypes are partially true). But unfortunately, they are often unable to connect other animals to this same concept of compassion simply because humans have slapped the label of "man's best friend" to dogs. But I don't have any conservative friends who disagree with me when I talk about veganism, they just don't really believe it to be safe because they've been kind of manipulated to believe you need constant meat to be healthy.
@@vela-6 I've found many conservatives think like this too, especially Christians who value life. I say this as a liberal but it's a strange one that can divide Conservatives as well as liberals within their own groups (for some weird reason, and I find that odd when surely it's a great value that should bring our ideals together)
@@sarajohnstone7128 For sure. The worst I get from the few conservatives I know, they'll crack a joke about me lacking protein. But they know that I know more about nutrition than them, so they'll still ask me questions. The big problem is that nobody wants ideology shoved down their throat, so it's hard to find a time, place, and manner to discuss and hopefully influence others to make better choices.
A rare breed of conservative from my experience. Most of the conservatives I encounter in life are of the type that have no moral concern for anyone but themselves, their possessions and their closest circle of friends/family. Tribalism, essentially and a conservation of traditional values, a key one being the consumption of eating whatever they feel like.
I would love to see a one-on-one debate about veganism between you and Ben Shapiro. I think this would potentially draw a lot of his political followers to watch which are the right folks that should be exposed to what you're saying (while here on your channel and Ben not personally in the video there are probably more vegans watching than followers of Ben)
All humans are imperfect and hypocritical in multiple ways to different levels with some of these things being more culturally acceptable than others. That can be through diet, choice of material possessions, the way we treat each other, carbon footprint, politics, lifestyle etc etc. Having a healthy debate, reflecting, and trying to be better everyday is what matters.
It is probably also crucial for Ben Shapiro to be very clear on the "fact" that God gave humans "dominion" over animals (read: we can do whatever the ... we want to them). He touches on that with his abortion remark. If we wavers on that it will cost him half of his audience.
That’s the unfortunate truth, if he wants to keep his livelihood (he does), this is why he hasn’t went vegan and he will continue to live in cognitive dissonance as a result. He’s kind of pigeonholed himself.
Thank you Ed, what a great video! Iv been seeing a lot of posts on social media that are very right wing, bashing veganism and promoting the consumption of meat, especially beef. So this video makes a lot of sense for why this is so prevalent right now. Being part of right wing identity. Your video has helped me understand some of this so thank you ❤
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Hey Ed I am not sure if you had mentioned or discussed? What is your opinion on Alex O Connor not being a vegan anymore?
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Glad I went vegan 5 years ago! Keep fighting the good fight, Ed!
Hell yea! Feb. 2018 for me.
@@Lorenzo_That_Vegan_Dad Awesome! Congrats!
You as well. Thanks for seeing the light. The non-human homies appreciate it. We have similar backgrounds too, nice sunset. Haha @@ChrisGaultHealthyLiving
I went vegan last year in February and now I feel like I've been vegan my whole life lol. I can never go back to hurting others for something as stupid as taste/texture.
@@organicjoe6568🌱💪🏽🖖🏽✌🏽
I attended an extremely conservative christian college and was the only Peter Singer fan. I wrote an essay on veganism and the grading bias was so blatant I lost a lot of respect for that professor. If you want to be intellectually honest, be vegan!!
I wish I had a girlfriend like you.
My respect for you.
It’s honestly not much better in more progressive academic spaces. I went vegan as a teen and had a rather unique childhood that allowed me to experience schooling on both sides of the aisle. I lived in a very conservative area of AZ until age 16, then went to a private performing art school in MA for a year followed by a year at a public high school in MA. Personally, I’ve always been a very passionate progressive and like most of my political beliefs, my veganism was at best dismissed but more often outright ridiculed by my teachers and peers in AZ schools. My attempt to get a vegan lunch option at my high school was ignored and when I tried to start multiple social clubs, one dedicated to environmentalism and the other to vegan activism, I couldn’t even find a teacher to sponsor them. I was also a very good student, so when I tried to include animal rights in an essay or research project, I noticed right away the tendency for my grades to suffer.
At both the private and public schools I attended in MA, a significantly more politically progressive community, I found that all of my political opinions were more acceptable except for my veganism. Naively, I thought that since the dress code was more relaxed and there were rainbow flags in many of the classrooms that I could have productive conversations about animal rights with my teachers and classmates. I was wrong. I brought up animal rights during a Socratic session in US history and my teacher immediately shut me down. Later, I wrote a meticulously researched final paper analyzing the parallels between the industrialized killing of humans and the bigotry that enabled it during the Armenian g€nocide and later WWII, and the industrial slaughter of non humans and the speciesism that enables it. The paper was for a class titled “H0locausts and G€nocides” and the prompt for the paper was to analyze a contemporary injustice that is relevant to the h0locaust. There could not have been a more appropriate scenario to include animal rights. But my grade in that class went from a 98% to a 66%, my teacher marked the assignment as not submitted, and had a private conversation with my about how disgusting and disrespectful my paper was. I tried to argue the validity of my position, but I had to go over the teacher to the Vice principal to force him to even accept the paper. And it wasn’t until after I showed them the dozen h0locaust survivors whom I cited and quoted in my paper (yeah the teacher hadn’t even read the whole thing or checked my sources before he decided to give me a zero). And even then, I could tell the vice principal supported me begrudgingly and even after accepting my paper, the teacher still gave me a D.
I still think that politically progressive minds are far more likely to accept veganism than conservatives. But in the year 2024, veganism seems to be one of the few issues that both the left and right come together to be against.
@@missanthropy6174Thankyou for sharing this 👋💚👍
Cheers to you! Indeed, be vegan! (unlike Mr. Singer lol)
It was recognizing my hypocrisy as a vegetarian that helped me go vegan. But only after 12 years. And now it's been 12 years since I went vegan.
Same for me. Grew up as a vegetarian, never had meat, but still had dairy and eggs every now and then, but it's wasn't until 6-7 years ago (28 atm) someone finally pointed out my hypocrisy, and I finally saw it and acted upon it.
@RamseyRimkeit
I'll stick with all the delicious products animals offer us
@@rondarkman. They don't offer.
@@isabellezablocki7447
Oh well ,they are farmed for a reason
@@rondarkman. they still don’t offer
Im new to veganism and its the best decision ive ever made in my life
Great!
I’m new too. I’m coming up on my first year❤
Good for you!
@@SurTrailDoesAll I think youtube is broken. Shouldn't everyone be arguing in here?
@@Master_Roachhaha that was the old ways. This is the new system. 😅 we listen and try to come to an agreement. This is what humans call progress.😂
I'd pay a lot to see Ben watching this video
Yeah me too. He does a lot of reaction videos so maybe he’ll catch wind of this one and chime in.
i am watching
And then what? He'll come up with extremely dumb dodges/fallacies and act high and mighty, like always and his audience will buy it.
@@Luftgitarrenprofi I mean as a fly on the wall without him having prepared anything. But yeah, as a bit on his show it would very much play out as you describe.
@@burkuschgoldberg Start sending it to him everywhere you can. Eventually he'll have to address it
I was in that hypocritical state for 6 years.
6 years ago I decided to go vegan cold turkey, but quite soon after that I started eating some animal products again and became vegetarian, which I stayed for those 6 years. All this time I knew it was extremely hypocritical of me and I that I was still supporting animals suffering, even though I didn't eat meat.
Well, now finally 3 months ago I went completely vegan and I'm extremely happy that now my diet and my lifestyle are aligned with my values.
i relate to this
I don’t think it counts as vegan if you’re eating cold turkey wtf?
@@DiamondCake2I don’t know if I should laugh (because your comment is funny if it’s purposefully dumb) or if English is not your first language and you don’t know what cold turkey means? 👀
@@adrianacernochova Just being silly :)
I was more of a hypocrite as a vegan (5 years) than I am as a herbivore.
Ben sounds like a manipulator to me. He knew he would be seen as a hypocrite, so he defused the question by quickly identifying as the worst possible option. That way, the questioner has nothing worse to throw at him, and is essentially silenced. Ben has said, by both his words and actions, that he will never be vegan. The truth is, he just cares that much more about himself and his own pleasure than about that of others.
This makes it clear to me that he is a man of “Do as I say, not as I do” which makes him completely untrustworthy and not worthy of listening to.
He has a talent for shutting people down by speaking really fast. But fast doesn’t mean right, and this is not the first time I have seen him shut someone down who actually had a good point, but just couldn’t get a word in edgewise.
👍 Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!
*Ask your city government to sign the Plant Based Treaty!* 🖖
I’ve never heard of that. I live in a college town and maybe our town would like it.
Government don't change anything until the majority of the population supports it. This is a waste of time. It's all about the grassroots, not bureaucrats with agendas.
@@Empathy4Animals411 PBT is a _grassroots_ initiative creating bottom-up pressure for the negotiation of a global Plant Based Treaty as a companion to the UNFCCC Paris Agreement.
@@lorah3005 look my guy eat egg plants all you want just don't try to force me into it 😂
Vegans eat tasty food@@rugbystories3344
If animal products were better for the environment than plants, vegans would still not eat animals. Environmentalism has no meaningful affect on veganism as a philosophy.
I can turn it back - if plants are better for environment, I still won't give up meat.
@@bruise_willis well that's kind of the opposite of the point I was making. That would just mean you wouldn't be considered a vegan OR an environmentalist.
@@vegan_vignettes so if you are a vegan because of environmental reasons, you are not a vegan?
@@bruise_willis i dont know why you felt the need to say this lol. this is what most people do.
@@maaaaaap Correct. You would be an environmentalist. Let me give you an example: If tomorrow you woke up and discovered the climate crisis was solved, and the animal ag industry had figured out a way to raise and kill animals with net zero emissions, would you go back to eating animals? Because a vegan (someone who is against the exploitation of animals) would not, but a non-vegan plant-based environmentalist might.
Exactly , many people just say "I'm a hypocrite" and get along , as if it was an "out of jail" card.
I eat a WF omni. diet with an entirely clear conscience: Physiology before ideology! No intention of voluntarily entering the V jail.
.. & I'm a Christian, so God's got my back!
@@Unmasking_Viandalisme Making up a violent god does not magically justify violent actions. :) A true God would not condone animal slavery.
@@bhavikasicka3098 I didn't make Him up. The HB is internally consistent, to those who choose eternal life, through faith in Christ Jesus.
I'm not answerable to my peers, neither am I responsible for their choices. Those who are happy to be mere blips, in both time & space, are free to take that route.
@@Unmasking_ViandalismeSorry, but you did make "him" up.
@@Luftgitarrenprofi We'll see! The collection of texts which He directed are proving to be prophetically accurate, so hold on to your hummus, as we ain't gonna reach a Garden of Vegan. Peas!🙏
Ah, yes, the "meat tastes good "argument. No, it doesn't. Meat is just the platform for the flavor profile you're looking for. Think about this: you slaughter a cow and chop it up. From that same cow, you can make Mexican food, French cuisine, German food, Portuguese food, American food, Asian cuisine, British food, Italian dishes, etc. All those different styles of food from the same animal. It's not the meat that tastes good; it's the spices, sauces, and cooking methods that give it its flavor. If you've ever been to a barbecue cooking contest, the most important thing is the barbecue sauce.
Carnivores literally like the taste of blood and the thrill/rush it gives them.
if you simply cook meat (without anything added to it) it still tastes fine, if not good, the same as any other plant would without special seasonings. The same thing can be done with different plants but the underlying premise is that the plant/fruit etc itself still tastes good. I understand the argument for veganism but the argument saying meat doesn't taste good makes no sense.
salmon? prawns? Oysters, all delicious without anything
I absolutely love a rare steak with just a little salt tbh
@@gatosospechosop3
Absolutely
He needs to quit the hypocrisy and go vegan now💚💚💚🙏
Not happening
As long as he believes his sky daddy made everything to benefit him, he'll never change.
@@Lorenzo_That_Vegan_Dad or...he just don't want to
This is why people hate vegans. You can say that you support vegans but you still get attacked by them. It is better to just call out the insanity of vegans every opportunity you get because there is no way to satisfy them.
Hell, yeah! Vegan for the victims. 👍👍👍
I get the motivation of Shapiro not aligning his moral behaviour (not only eating habits) with his moral standards due to his political location on the right: It has a tactical background because vegans are considered as left and woke (soy boy meme). I'm a right winger too in Germany and I refused to put tactical issues above the lives the others - it's just not worth it, the price the animal are paying day by day for political strategies is to high so I went vegan two years ago.
So you see: it is possible to be vegan as a rightwinger - it just depends on the hierarchy of your values besides your standard not to be a hipocrite.
How do you square defending systems and structures that harm and exploit people with your vegan morals?
P.S.: Quickly looking at your channel you are just trying to be a token... Tip: AfD and their allies won't care about you, they are racist and they despise you regardless of your support. Stop being so gullible.
yoo du hier? Da sieht man mal dass die gradlose Einstufung in links und rechts manchmal schwierig ist. Ich bin politisch genauso eingestellt wie du aber bin vegetarier - davor veganer. Weniger für die Moral sondern eher für die Gesundheit. Auf jeden fall sehr cool dich bei solchen Kanälen kommentieren zu sehen :D
@@andewprod yikes
Respekt, aber Dein AfD-Content is mega-cringe - die right-wing Opfer ham Dich hart verarscht.
Yes, I'm a Hindu (conservative, in a religious sense) but vegan (transitioning), even though veganism is radically revolutionary in Hinduism, because our culture and religion have historically relied on cow slavery and carnist myths (e.g., the cow being a kaamdhenu, who GIVES her milk, even though, as vegans, we know that is a lie, she cannot consent, her milk is TAKEN without her ability to consent).
Sam Harris also says he should be vegan but is not. Very strange mentality for someone that is supposed to be an expert in morality.
@@RichardKotze He also said that he fears he wouldn't get enough protein, revealing his ignorance on nutrition and diet.
You need to upload more so you can cover more audience. We need a good vegan activist with over a million subs. Thanks for the video.
The problem is guys like me enjoy meat and other animals products And my faith allows it so to think that your opinions of deciding not to eat Chicken is going to prevent me from throwing a few Chicken wings in the frier is nothing but pure comedy to me
@@rugbystories3344 not everyone has such lack of empathy. Most people understands but lacks the will, and others are just on the psychopathy spectrum.
@@Veegan4theanimals it's not lack of empathy it's just nature bruv we were designed by nature to eat meat too, you know i can make the Same argument about plants right
@@Veegan4theanimals One has to accept that your way to see morality is not shared by most people. We are humans, we have to get by. Meat and eggs are a great protein source and if you care about the process of making it should be the decision of everyone themselves.
@@andewprod I have been vegan for 15 years. I'm not rich. I'm just a simple person. I grew up in Brasil. The more money we had the more meat during the week we ate. Eating animal body parts seems to be related to status, especially in my country. Unless you are in a desert island where there is nothing but ice I think you can justify them eating animals. Other than that you are just participating in the animal Holocaust. The worst , oldest and longest Holocaust in the history of earth.
" As long as there are slaughter houses there will be battlefields." Leo Tolstoy
Whoooooop whoop, new earthling ed video dropped
The whole point here is if you know that you're a hypocrite about something then you start to change and that's how maturity growth happens. I do appreciate that Ben is being honest but by not changing and staying a hypocrite trillions of animals are horrifically suffering and dying for people's taste buds and that is not acceptable. I am vegan for the animals first and foremost. They deserve a life of Happiness just like people do.
You have to be doing something wrong to be a hypocrite.
I will not be vegan and neither will the rest of mankind. Can you dig it?
I said I was a hypocrite long before I went vegan, but I had to go through the stage I recognized my hypocrisy before I became vegan.
I have quite a few friends who are like, ah yeah when lab meat comes ill go for that. It's kind of annoying
Yeah most people have no sense of urgency on the matter. It's sad.
Get them to go half way at least. Buying the occasional vegan product helps. Or they could learn a recipe that doesn't involve meat.
I'll just stick to the good animals
@@rondarkman. Okay Satan
@allandm
Lol satan ? Why
You rightfully bring up his Good Ranchers ad, but I think it’s also worth discussing that this is a major revenue source for him. I’ve listened to several Daily Wire host podcasts and they always have ads for Good Ranchers. Lots of ad money coming in from this company. If Ben went vegan, he would lose a lot monetarily speaking. It’s the same reason even an otherwise very thoughtful and self reflective farmer might go out of his way not to understand the arguments a vegan is making to him. He just doesn’t know how he will earn his living if he accepts that it’s wrong to kill animals, so he refuses to accept it. This, in my opinion, is another reason why Ben would rather live acknowledging his hypocrisy but pretending he has no obligation to correct it. The Daily Wire’s far right rhetoric is often highly inflammatory (and I say that as a person who listens from time to time because I’m actually fairly conservative in many of my views (and also vegan for many years!) It must be difficult to secure consistent ad revenue, and to alienate a sponsor of all his shows by using his platform to promote veganism (which he would do just by becoming vegan) would be a very difficult thing to do. It would also be the right thing to do, and he really should do it. But it would certainly be difficult.
This comment 💯💯💯
It is particularly sickening when these commentators prioritize their grifting over their conscience…
@@florencejin making money isn't "grifting".
@@Phoenix51291 Sure buddy
Fantastic to hear you speaking up for invertebrate animals, and against the utterly ludicrous idea that veganism involves eating them. Great job. 👍
I would love to see a debate between Ed and Ben. Not that the two are even slightly comparable in terms of critical thinking... Ben is a freaking propagandist.
As far as the right goes. I see Ben as one of the better ones. The debate between them would be a waste of time. I don't think Ben would disagree with Ed.
@@uncoiledfish2561 I agree, Ben is really not the worst out there.
@@Corilo91Probably a debate between Ed and someone like Jordan Peterson, an avid carnist, would be more interesting 🤔
@@florencejin I would like to see that too, but the problem with Peterson is that he became almost incapable of sustaining a debate. In the last years he got less and less mentally lucid...
Ben is correct about gender identity and somewhat correct about abortion. He is also favorable toward Vegans. Other than being associated with the Daily Wire, and schizos like Peterson he's fine.
Almost 7 months vegan! 🌱
12:02 this is such a great insight Ed. Carnism needs to reinforce itself not only through accepting and embracing certain ideas but by cultivating identities that reject the antithesis (veganism).
I do think recognising one's hypocrisy is the first step to change. I may not like Ben Shapiro. I may not care for his hypocrisy. BUT I do respect his intellectual honesty, because as least it offers the possibility of change. He recognises what the right thing to do is. He just needs to finally 'take the plunge' so to speak.
I suppose the problem are those people who are comfortable with their own hypocrisy but I'm not sure Shapiro is. He's such a high-profile figure and as this video demonstrates, he is being held to account by others for his hypocrisy, so, eventually, it feels like he may have no choice but to change. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but it's certainly preferable to someone who ties themselves in knots trying to 'intellectually' defend the indefensible in order to 'justify' their own lifestyle.
Great vid Ed highlighting the blatant and obvious hypocrisy of Shapiro’s position! Re: that ad - IMO most branding and marketing is manipulation that appeals to values and identity politics. A smart PR campaign could easily promote the ethics of veganism to align with conservative patriotic values of the right.
He’s also a major Zionist.
Awareness does not equal caring unfortunately
I cook my animal products with great care
I watch a lot of Ben's content, so I've actually seen A LOT of segments over the years that showed he has some sympathy for the animals unalived for meat. A couple of months ago, Ben did a youtube short reacting to Gary Yourofsky debunking a meat eater argument, and his response wasn't a full embrace, but implied that Gary basically ate in that argument. There was another video where he reacts to Thanksgiving TikToks, and one of the clips was a person with a pet turkey alongside a cooked turkey in the oven, which is supposed to be funny in some people's eyes, and he thought it was sad and mentioned he is one of the people that would like for lab grown meat to happen.
While we all (vegans) wish he would embrace what he clearly knows what is the ethical choice, I still think it's huge to have a person with his large of a platform (let alone conservative) even just acknowledging that there is a moral dilemma in unaliving animals. It shows he is a lot more honest than he has to be and seems to think it's important enough to vocalize to his audience on multiple occasions. Ben doing that is better than most people, so I have to give credit on that.
I like the video he did where he openly mocks and misgenders trans people to his audience of braindead sheep! Ben Shapiro is not even sympathetic to other humans, don't count on him becoming any kind of vegan activist.
For the algorithm
😂😂😂 brave warrior 😂😂😂
Hearing some of Shapiro's reasoning, it is the same for Same Harris. I'm big fan of Sam as public intellectual, listening to his podcast and meditation app. But his position on veganism was always hard to bend with his other views. Here are some: supporter of cultivated meat, admitting moral inconsistency and hypocrisy of eating meat but doing so anyway, tried being vegetarian when younger and felt "miserable without energy", teaching buddhist-inspired compassion and kindness, as neuroscientist he's convinced at minimum mammals (maybe birds) are conscious with capacity to suffer and feel joy ...
Ed, I recommend to do similar analysis on Sam. It would be more complex landscape than Shapiro's case, for sure.
"at minimum mammals and maybe birds" ??? yikes .. i'd say the evidence is unequivocal for birds, for various aquatic animals .. piling up for even simpler fish, for reptiles, for insects lol .. I'd hope Sam Harris has gotten past mammals and birds by now
Great video Ed! miss your campus debates!
what's the point of trying to prove that he's a hypocrite when he already said so himself?
Maybe you should watch this video again. Ed wasn't trying to prove Ben was a hypocrite about veganism if Ben said it.
Ed was trying to call Ben to act on his supposed beliefs if he is for veganism.
But Ben was hypocritical in other ways which Ed talked about. Such as Ben saying people get over offended when he got overly offended at PETA calling the mass daily systemic killing of livestock a Holocaust.
Ed also criticized Ben for other things like getting hung on words and semantics too much when that doesn't change reality, like animal abuse.
And Ben also claimed to care about truth and reality, but Ben fell prey to getting offended, distracted, and tangled in words too much.
Ed also talked about the problem of how some people use admitting they're hypocritical as a excuse to not have action.
Also, how do you know Ben wasn't just giving lip service to the man who called Ben out to his face? And that maybe Ben didn't plan to act on his views for veganism.
Quite a lot of my non-vegan Christian prolife friends have admitted I am being consistent as a vegan (I am equally involved in prolife work as in animal rights) and yet frustratingly they do not go vegan! But how many vegans admit they are not consistent when it comes to respect for human life in the womb? A great many in my experience
I could never eat animals regardless of if people think they taste nice, to me I just feel 🤢🤮 plus Animals are amazing and need our protection and care. Animal Rights Now!
Damn straight. After a while the idea of eating dead flesh feels right up there with the idea of eating excrement. Not my kind of thing.
Animal rights in 10 minutes once I’ve finished this burger thanks!
Non-human animals don’t have rights that they can’t claim, nor can they claim rights that they don’t have.
I thought this too until I had my first burger after 5 years 🍔🤤
@@Paul-Johnathan Yeah, plant-based burgers are great. Have you tried VFC plant-based chicken, too? 🍔🤤
28:34 Excellent point about punishing animals, and in a horrible way, for something humans have done. People commit this fallacy or similar often and it's sad.
I said to people I am a hippocrite when I was vegetarian, because I knew veganism was the right thing to do, but I just loved cheese so much I could not bring myself to give it up (I am swiss for context, we have an eating culture revolving heavily around cheese). After 8 years vegetarianism, I ginally succeeded in going vegan. but I still crave cheese very much, even now 5 years vegan.
The part about his feelings...burrrnnnn🔥 🔥 🔥
You can tell when people have a conscience. Also, Ben admitted he was bullied and picked on as a kid, so he inherently knows what it's like to be abused and I think that he's clearly got the capacity to have empathy for animals. I hope Ben one day realizes this, makes the connection and has the courage to live his values regardless of if his conservative audience don't share them.
What a nice comment. I genuinely like Ben, support most of his views, and I do hope so, too.
"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious" - Oscar Wilde
28:15 this really, really resonated with me. It is baffling that people do this, huh?
Ben is a product, one I have no interest in buying AT ALL.
Thanks for what you do, Ed! Vegan for life ☮️
I posted this video on Ben’s X page 🌱🐾
Most right-wing personalities dont even have the bravery of conceding that veganism has a point, so kudos to him for that. I'm a social-liberal and I couldnt care less about the political ideology of my peers. I'd love to have Ben as fellow vegan. Even though veganism is evidently a progressive idea, it is also alligned with a couple of conservative values. Personal responsibility, as Ed mentions, is one of them. The sanctity of life is another one. Also, veganism is not revolutionary, it is reformist. We are not trying to create a new morality from scratch, but rather just expand the existing moral circle so it includes all sentient individuals. Be brave, Ben. Protect the innocent, don't take advantage of their vulnerability. You know it's the right thing to do.
yeah honestly i get what Ed is saying, but I'm astonished ben has even said half the stuff he said about veganism. most left wingers don't even do that. so definitely scraping the bottom of the barrel here for sure, but credit where credit is due.
Danke!
His initials are BS. That tells us all we need to know.
Why were you bullying Ben initials? It was petty, irrelevant to veganism, and makes veganism look bad.
There's other people with the initials BS too. So you would be bullying them too.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c because he is a constant spouter of the bs.
Trying to cause the least amount of harm to other living beings is not a new concept and if you define veganism that way then It's definitely not a new concept. Being politically conservative or liberal has nothing to do with it either. The people that make it about that have a fault in themselves and it's their trip not reality. Btw, i found the young man calling out Ben to be judgemental and biased. Most everyone has hypocrisy within themselves unless you're a saint so to point fingers at someone's hypocrisy as if you're above it in that tone doesn't sit well with me.
Ben Shapiro's views on many things are a bit.. wonky
many things? lol.
to put it mildly
I like his free market views on the economy.
@@stephenshuman1 spoiler alert there never has been and never will be a free market.
@@stephenshuman1 "Free market" lol. More like a licence to exploit others.
Ben also believes that there is a magic man in the sky who wants Ben to wear a silly little hat.
As a Christian, I eat "meat" with a clear conscience but, of course, you're welcome to your opinion.
@@Mich-G The originator of this thread.
@@Mich-G Hat people believe Exodus 12 & Leviticus 11 &.. lots of OT stuff. There's no V in the OT.. or the NT.
@@Mich-G I'm firmly in the sphere camp, as the elegant laws of physics are God's laws.
Job 26:7 (KJV):
'7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.'
@@Mich-G The statement that God 'hangeth the earth upon nothing' is an accurate description of physical reality.
I began reading the HB while studying to become a fizzix teacher & didn't sense that I'd have to choose between faith & science. They belong to complementary dimensions, rather than being mutually exclusive.
Agreed with your comments surrounding Veganism being tied into the sociopolitical rhetoric where the true definition of veganism from a purely ethical point of view ends up being misrepresented.
It’s a very simple philosophical stance, avoid harming non human animals as far as practicable and possible. Keeping the argument simple, makes for less nonsense rhetoric that takes focus away from the core issue.
Ed makes so many great points here. I had to write them down so that the next time I'm confronted with stupidity, I can respond effectively.
yes this idea that we cant be moral and personally responsible until its 'easy' for us.. isn't that the definition of immoral?
I did a vid on this a while back. Well said Ed! You put it better than me.
Ben's God is cruel so as long as that's a fact it gives Ben an out. Ben's God enjoys a burnt offering.
9:52 I think this is a bit reaching, he didn’t say he was a good person on this specific topic, he admitted he was hypocritical about it, and he did not “virtue signal” around it
He said he was a hypocrite. If he was a vegan, then he wouldn’t be a hypocrite.
I am a vegan now, but for many years, although I knew I was in the wrong morally, I couldn’t bring myself to give up consuming animal products.
Moreover, I was overweight and desperate to lose weight all my adult life, but stress drove me to overeat and eat junk food.
I totally get what Ben is saying. What we want to do, and what we can manage are two very different things.
Thank you, you seem very reasonable - so many here bashing Ben when they were once hypocrites too. I'm a fan of just about all of his views, I really want him to be vegan.
@@pmw3839 weird I was way more overweight as a vegan
@@Paul-Johnathan I am whole food plant based. For the first time in my adult life weight is not a problem. Did you eat a lot of processed vegan food? I eat a lot of nuts and my weight does go up a bit when I do so.
@@pmw3839 yes I ate whatever I wanted to just like I do in a herbivore diet.
@@Paul-Johnathan Well, I can only tell you what happened to me. I am 66, and had struggled with being overweight since my mid teens. It got a lot better when I retired (at 60) because I cut out all processed food (though I was still an omnivore).
I realised, at this point, that my inability to do this before I retired was because of chronic stress. I had tried very hard to lose weight all my adult life, but never succeeded for long.
After 60, I lost weight but I still had to keep an eye on my weight, as it would creep up, especially if I was under stress.
About 2 years ago I became a whole food vegan and I lost a further stone without trying. And now, although my weight does fluctuate, it always stays on the low side. For the first time since my teens, I can forget about my weight, as it looks after itself.
How hard can it be, just put 'plant based' in your supermarket website search ? Find Richmond No chicken and This isn't Chicken - tastes better than chicken and it isn't grown in a lab. Have to say well done to the Israelis who have turned Vegan, it was relevent the factory farms being like concentration camps to many of the survivors of the holocaust, more so for them. I heard they got inspired by a reality show Vegan.
Assuming Ben's response in that audience Q&A is the most recent words he's spoken on the subject, it sounds like he's moving towards veganism over time. It took me two years to go from understanding my moral hypocrisy, to vegetarianism, to veganism. Now I'm 7 years vegan. It's just hard to give up something you enjoy. Maybe he'll get there...
19:15 - Speaking of bugs, I'm curious of what vegans and veggies think of household pest extermination. I've been veggie for roughly 25 years and vegan a couple years and this subject has been troubling me. As much as I hate the idea of harming living creatures, I don't wanna share a kitchen with ants, roaches, spiders etc. Although I have yet to research this issue, I haven't seen any vegan/veggie vids regarding this issue...yet.
I haven’t seen any videos either, but you might want to check out the posts about it on the vegan subreddit
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Veganism doesn't limit your political spectrum though guys, I hope everyone understands that. And vegan DOES NOT mean woke or radical leftest, lets break the stereotypes!!! I am Vegan and a right leaning moderate I believe the left has very insane views of some things.
Veganism is an arm of the woke LGBT conspiracy...
It is contradictory to defend the animal liberation while upholding the oppression and exploitation of humans (who are also animals)
Ed, I am vegan 🌱 for three years now!!! All thanks to you!!! ❤
Unfortunately the majority of people (in any area of their lives) live in cognitive dissonance for their whole lives and never act on it. For example, it can range from something like ‘I should exercise for my health’ to ‘my partner isn’t right for me’ to ‘I don’t agree with eating animal parts or byproducts’. Most people never act on these core beliefs they have. I’m not sure how that can be fixed besides cultural awareness and societal shift in knowing your level of personal accountability for what is personally important to you
Ben openly admitted that he is a hypocrite in this context / moral issue. I raise my hat for his straightfoward answer. One can debate why his is no a vegan, but this is a decision, which is entirely up to Ben. Personally I would love to see Ben joining the vegan community.
“Consuming animal products is a ‘choice’ only insofar as society allows you to choose to do things that are obviously and indisputably morally wrong. Are you free to choose to hold racist views? Yes, you are. Is it morally wrong to judge others solely by their skin colou? Yes, of course it is. So saying that something is a ‘choice’ says nothing about its morality. We cannot morally justify consuming animal products. Period. Consuming those products may be a matter of ‘choice’ but only in a most superficial sense. It is not a matter of choice for anyone who takes morality seriously.” - Gary Francione
Rather you have no hat than use it to commend anyone that stands by all that defines fame, lies, impertinence, disrespect to gather fans! Is that the new measure? Hello! I just love murdering women! BravoI at least owns up to it! what next? This kind of twerp is not an example for anything. His team is for all that is wrong with the world. Under the guise of lies and deceit he gets a front row seat to push his disgusting agenda. Grow up!
Spot on! Thank you. Daily I find my sanity and values protected by brilliant, sensitive,ethical people who adhere to humanism. Our evolution is necessary to protect our species and that of all animals. Nature’s work of art!
@@deannabollo170 Humanism is by definition speciesist.
And what does it mean to believe our species is a work of art, considering the systems of extreme violence we create, and which people teach their children to perpetuate?
@@fading_trails where did I say anything reporting to your answer? Reminded of those hanging from buses and trains? You’re a fake. Humanism speciesist! Blimey what a nonsense response. Please do not reply any more. A poseur soiling my space.
As someone from Texas, I relate to when you talk about the identity politics in America and its relation to meat consumption. Thanks for the meaningful content!
Ben's views on EVERYTHING are an absolute mess.
Why did you post 2 comments about Ben being a mess - under 2 different names? You must hate anti-wokeism
@@mikethats4thebirds600 I didn't. You must be trumptarded.
@@mikethats4thebirds600 Anti-wokeism is a thing really worth hating!
It's naiv to think that knowing for the "better" mean that you Automaticly act accordingly for the "better".
This asumption is BS, been a hypocrite is No Motivation,and our society is full of exemples
"Facts don't care about your feelings" yet he is a clown who doesn't want to change,just brushes past these things.
For a facts over feelings guy he acts a hell of a lot on his feelings & doesn't even look at the facts, when they hurt his fee-fees
Cant wait for Ben to Dishapiro
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Though conservatives are known for not being vegan (I'm more of an anomaly, I guess), it's not like liberals are predominantly vegan either. It's a shame not more people are vegan, regardless of political views.
Veganism IS a political view. That's why most vegans are far left radicals.
It's a shame more people aren't less right wing, regardless of their views on veganism.
this bothers me so much we are always lumped in with the left so most conservatives hate veganism by default. but the left is just as against veganism most of the time lol
@@princeofmayonnaise and the reason the left is against veganism is because the left is all about if it feels good you should be able to do it. Even if it destroys your body and makes you morbidly obese/
I’m curious about this topic and have some questions that came up whilst watching , full disclosure I’m not vegan and so please excuse my ignorance if this is insensitive . How do vegans feel about parasites ? Because Parasites cause suffering and pain and death even to many animals. Sadly I had first hand experience of a horrible parasite killing an animal . However the parasite is a living as well. What do vegans propose we do about parasites. Of course parasites affect humans as well. If u get a parasite would you kill it or let it take its natural course even if that has a huge negative affect on your health , death even ?
Please do a video about the plant-based menu at the Paris Olympics. The media are perpetuating so much misinformation at the moment.
I'm not personally conservative nor republican but I knew a group in my community who were strict ethical vegans and ultra strict conservative religious fanatics. They were pretty much hated by everyone left and right alike but I respected them for their Veganism at least.
It is absolutely concerning how many people here seem to "like Ben Shapiro". I recently lost my role as an organiser for an activist organisation because of transphobia that had infected the higher management of the group. If you don't support the rights of other humans, which he doesn't, then you are not vegan. It's antithetical to the message of causing as little harm possible to sentient creatures.
Agreed
What rights does Ben not support? As far as I'm aware, he's never called for trans people to be deprived of any rights.
@@Phoenix51291 He questions their very existence. Don't be naïve.
Why do we have to consider transgender people when we are discussing an issue (veganism) that has nothing to do with them? There may be vegans who support transgender rights and those who don’t. Veganism is to do with ending animal suffering, not sex transitions for humans.
@@TheFunnyCave Veganism is about not killing, exploiting or commodifying animals because we recognize that, despite their differences, they are worthy of that consideration and the maximization of their well-being. Opposing trans people's existence and thereby their well-being goes against this unless you are so bigoted you see trans people somehow lacking something animals have.
I think once we recognize the hipocrisy between our thoughts and our actions, it becomes stressful to continue the same behavior that we engaged in prior to new information.
He might actually be Vegan, but doesn't want to reveal that.
Doubt it but yeah there's a huge cost in terms of viewer appeal given his viewer base
He definitely isn't. I'm a fan of his but not of his beliefs on eating animals.
@@govegmofomakeamuffin6620 a lot of Zionists are plant based, not vegan. Murdering children wholesale doesn't seem like a vegan value.
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@@EngineersQuesthow can you je a fan of ben lmao he's a horrible person
Thanks Ed! Your points are spot on.
Before I write what I want to write, I just want to say a huge thank you for this video and all of the previous ones. Brilliant!
I would like to only mention sth about the last point you've made: causing harm to the planet is indirectly leads us to cause harm to sentient beings, too. Both humans and non humans.so it is not just a biproduct of vegan philosophy, it is the same in my opinion. The only difference is that one is direct and the other one is indirect.
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It’s great that ben is so open to it IMO. Right and left opinions are secondary to the animals for me. He didn’t say he was not going to do anything about it. He was thankful for the reminder and said he was going to think more on it. To me, he should be encouraged rather than criticised. There are a lot of left wing politicians who “love their meat”. Let’s keep politics out of this? I’m not a fan of his by the way.
4 and a half years vegan now ed thanks to you and Joey! My husband and I love it 😊❤❤🙏✌️
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Love you Ed but I can't watch this. Ben Shapiro is a horrendous individual, on par with Piers Morgan whose entire life is just spreading lies and hate. What a pitiful existence.
How ridiculous. They're nothing alike and Ben does NOT spread hate, just truth. He admits he's a hypocrite until he becomes vegan also, who else does that, did you?
Ben Shapiro is 100% hypocritical about everything.
I disagree. He is surely hypocritical on some topics, and wrong on others. Still, he has some good opinions.
You can just say you don't like him no need to be dramatic dawg. FB tier comment
@@govegmofomakeamuffin6620 that wasn't dramatic at all, dawg.(your response was more dramatic). Lol
FB teir response.
@carmadefries3729 Define "everything" -- oh, you mean he's anti-Woke? Thank God for at least that. Did you admit you were hypocrite before you went vegan?
@@mikethats4thebirds600 Define woke? Anyone who uses the terms wokeism/wokeness/woke is instantly discredited as an intellectual.
I don't know about who you're asking the question to, but I do accept that I was a hypocrite before I went vegan, because I was.
Eloquence and irrefutable ethics and logic. Ed for President of the World.
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People don’t realize how big of an industry hunting and fishing are. Zero shot that happens
So sad that Ben only dares to argue with random college students who don't have any of his media training
Ummm...Ed does the same thing.
@@RoidRage-yc7yg No? He's done debates on TV, which are most of his debates. His street videos are not supposed to be the vegan version of "owning the libs", they're a demonstration of street advocacy, where the goals is actually to change the mind of the person who you talk to, not to get rhetoric victories.
@@The8BitPianist And Ed always loses whenever he debates on TV. The only time he can ever win a debate is against random college students.
@@RoidRage-yc7yg Which debates has he lost then? Or are you just saying stuff, framing it as a matter of winning or losing, so you don't have to think about the arguments?
To be honest, and trust me, I dislike Ben Shapiro as much as the next guy, but at least he's honest about his hypocrisy. I have to give it to him. I mean, I remember when I used to justify my consumption of animal products, then started admitting it was wrong but I couldn't/didn't want to stop, and then I went vegan.
Who knows, maybe I'm giving the guy too much credit, but most meat eaters would rather stay in their comfortable congnitive dissonance before admitting what they're doing is, at the very least, questionable.
Thank you for fighting the good fight, Ed. I find your way of speaking and clear use of logic very powerful. I'm so glad we have you!
I'm pretty far right-leaning, and there's actually quite a few vegans on the right. So many, that there's been a bunch of hit pieces on conservative vegans (and vegetarians) in mainstream media. I don't like Ben much, personally. But one notable conservative vegan is Liz Wheeler. She's been vegan and conservative for ages.
I also want to say, I think veganism better lines up with conservatism. We value all life, no matter how big, small, or where it's located. Of course, human life is infinitely more important than any other life, as we have a moral compass and we're able to make decisions that impact the rest of eternity for all life. We also tend to be more financially focused. Supply and demand. Don't buy things you don't want to support. Conservatives tend to have so much love for their own dogs (as a stereotype, but stereotypes are partially true). But unfortunately, they are often unable to connect other animals to this same concept of compassion simply because humans have slapped the label of "man's best friend" to dogs. But I don't have any conservative friends who disagree with me when I talk about veganism, they just don't really believe it to be safe because they've been kind of manipulated to believe you need constant meat to be healthy.
@@vela-6 I've found many conservatives think like this too, especially Christians who value life. I say this as a liberal but it's a strange one that can divide Conservatives as well as liberals within their own groups (for some weird reason, and I find that odd when surely it's a great value that should bring our ideals together)
@@sarajohnstone7128 For sure. The worst I get from the few conservatives I know, they'll crack a joke about me lacking protein. But they know that I know more about nutrition than them, so they'll still ask me questions. The big problem is that nobody wants ideology shoved down their throat, so it's hard to find a time, place, and manner to discuss and hopefully influence others to make better choices.
yea. from what i can tell the right leaning ones focus more on individual failings while left leaning ones focus more on systems.
A rare breed of conservative from my experience. Most of the conservatives I encounter in life are of the type that have no moral concern for anyone but themselves, their possessions and their closest circle of friends/family. Tribalism, essentially and a conservation of traditional values, a key one being the consumption of eating whatever they feel like.
Thank you! Great segment!
I would love to see a one-on-one debate about veganism between you and Ben Shapiro. I think this would potentially draw a lot of his political followers to watch which are the right folks that should be exposed to what you're saying (while here on your channel and Ben not personally in the video there are probably more vegans watching than followers of Ben)
I wonder whether that happened as a result of Ed speaking with that idiot gun girl from Alex Jones' channel.
Earthling Ed video interrupted by KFC advert... good job RUclips!
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KFC was, and maybe still is Ed's favorite food.
Did you go out and buy KFC
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@@KasskadeKing haha 😂
All humans are imperfect and hypocritical in multiple ways to different levels with some of these things being more culturally acceptable than others. That can be through diet, choice of material possessions, the way we treat each other, carbon footprint, politics, lifestyle etc etc. Having a healthy debate, reflecting, and trying to be better everyday is what matters.
True. So incredibly true.
It is probably also crucial for Ben Shapiro to be very clear on the "fact" that God gave humans "dominion" over animals (read: we can do whatever the ... we want to them). He touches on that with his abortion remark. If we wavers on that it will cost him half of his audience.
That’s the unfortunate truth, if he wants to keep his livelihood (he does), this is why he hasn’t went vegan and he will continue to live in cognitive dissonance as a result. He’s kind of pigeonholed himself.
Thank you Ed, what a great video! Iv been seeing a lot of posts on social media that are very right wing, bashing veganism and promoting the consumption of meat, especially beef. So this video makes a lot of sense for why this is so prevalent right now. Being part of right wing identity. Your video has helped me understand some of this so thank you ❤
How can you admit being a hypocrite by eating meat but then carry on eating meat?
Because that's what hypocrisy is.
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This is the first time I've heard Shapiros voice...now I can't get the Simpsons or South Park out of my head..He'd do well in that industry...
Ed you should run for parliament
Ed's a conman. He'll fit right in.