Meat eaters try to convince vegan that what he’s doing is POINTLESS.
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In today's video, I sit down to debate veganism with two students at Boston University. Throughout the debate the students continuously push back against my arguments and even though morally they find themselves agreeing with me, they still question what the point of going vegan would even be.
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Great on your part @ed.winters. The interviewees, not so much. Too much listening to respond. 0 listening to understand.
Define "VEGANISM".
@@TheVeganVicar
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They don't know how many people did go vegan because of Earthling Ed.
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I became vegan earlier, not knowing Ed yet, but since I have seen his content I have learned so much more. He's pretty kind and good.
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I always wondered if these people go back and watch themselves on RUclips and have any self awareness to how their arguments sound
It's a really good question. I'm sure at least some of them have seen their debates.
I too have wondered this
00:07 unattractive beta guy says "he cares more about his academic more than the life of an animal.." well the news is his academics doesn't matter to anyone, he wasn't born rich and he is not alpha too, so girl don't care neither!
Probably he ends working hard all his life as an average Joe, then becomes redpill at old age! 😂
Thank God we have the Elite to keep these in check!
They probably don’t care that much, probably thinking that most people that are gonna watch this will be triggered carnists that will agree with every nonsensical argument they tried to put forward.
Right... the "coversation" (if you can call it that) is so difficult to follow because blue jumper at some points literally just says random words that are in no way related to the topic or make any logical sense. Pretty sure if you open up the top of his head you'll find a monkey with cymbals.
8:59 "my busy schedule" 😂
Dude just sat down to argue with a vegan for half an hour...
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and he admitted there are convenient vegan options lol
@aaronmerkel5216 and he admitted he would rather have the animal option
So Lazy! They are everywhere else except for the present moment.
This is why they should live with vegans. I mean, it is kind of annoying. Where are the people? Anyway I don't know.
I'm glad I'm sober, if I did a drinking game now where I drank for every logical fallacy I heard from a non-vegan I'd be fertilizer at this point.
😂, cheers, you earned yourself a drink💚
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@@VeganSemihCyprus33dis, dat, andy udder ting?
Why don’t you mention one?
"it's moral because it happens" is one of the craziest takes I've heard so far 💀 why do people pretend they have the reasoning skills of a 4 year old when arguing against veganism?
The moral inconsistency of people in their argument is actually a reflection of our laws in a carnist society. Remember, it's illegal to do cruel acts against dogs and cats in people's houses but if they are pigs, cows and chickens on a farm for money, their wellbeing doesn't matter. Even if you take a cow out of a factory farm and on green pastures, they still have to go to a slaughter house if you want to eat her.
It definitely caught me off guard, I think he said it in a rush to find an argument. It wasn't something he thought about clearly.. but yeah I've never heard that one before and it's clearly a pretty awful argument.
I think he was confusing morality with social consent to something
@@allandm
Though somewhat aggravating, it's interesting watching someone experiencing cognitive dissonance go in logical circles making the same fallacious arguments over and over.
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Yes...Ed is aggravating to watch...he says the same crap over and over and over and over and over and over
@ Trolloftruth Yet you are still here following his videos and in the comment section…
@paulb8251 enjoy watching vegans fail
@Trolloftruth you have 100+ comments on this channel. He can't be that aggravating to you if you keep coming back over and over and over 🤔
Grey jumper seemed to be actually interested in the discussion, but blue jumper just would not stop with the ridiculous arguments.
ALMOST as ridiculous as Edward's definition of "veganism".
No not at all , grey shirt guy even mentioned that he wanted to be vegeterian by himself in the past so there wasnt much to convice there probaly just wanted to hear some facts for the little push to try vegan or vegeterian "diet" , however blue jumper guy's views are more realistic compared to the average human , i think that is what makes the convo interesting
@@absolutedomination5254 I get that, blue jumper being a stand in for most carnists is one way to look at it. It's just irritating to see that Ed had the possibility to help someone make a more compassionate change but was steamrolled over because of blue jumper. That was my takeaway from the video, at least
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@@TheVeganVicar what is ed's definition?
can't stand the guy on the left
I wouldn't expect better behavior from a closed minded and spoiled rich daddy's boy from Dubai.
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@@arioca wow. not judgemental at all.
@@VeganSemihCyprus33dis, dat, andy udder ting?
Are you the kind of person who wants to end violence or perpetuate it. Your actions showcase who you are as a person.
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Are you the kind of person who is naive enough to believe there's some utopia in the future or have you ventured outside before?
@@aero203 There will never be a perfect world, but making choices and trying to guide society down routes that cause the least amount of suffering and allowing for more peace isn't a unworthy venture just because perfection can't be reached. Just because I know that there will likely never be a world that murder doesn't happen, doesn't mean I shouldn't act to prevent it.
Dude when us your next video coming
yeh right, the violence perpetuated by the crop protection industry to protect your precious vegan slop so you can virtue signal your faux moral superiority in the comment section
Guy on the left was smug, arrogant and dare I say it... stupid.
And/or ignorant, when choosing to not educate oneself is ignorant?
To call someone stupid because they don't agree with your viewpoint is I dare say...stupid.
@@stevenmeyer9674 You must think rapist and paedophiles aren't stupid. Odd outlook you have.
@@_Bush_Bush_sadly people that eat flesh support those type of people because they aren’t a non human and deserves rights. I had two flesh eaters say they are heals at a higher standard than a chicken. It’s sad. Humans are too far gone.
Nah. They were both relatively polite and engaged in the convo. You can't expect them to have the best arguments because it's clearly not something they have given much thought. Of course they're gonna be a little defensive on the topic - it's an emotive issue. The average knuckle dragger on the street faced with this question would be like "bro bro f*** that, brooo"
He is against hunting but is pro factory farming. Will say any nonsense to try and justify himself because he went into this debate with his mind made up
Factory farming is more sustainable
Explain how@@omnivacuous162
Ending animal agriculture in favor of a plant-based food system would be a lot more sustainable than factory farmed animal agriculture. Better for the environment, better for biodiversity, would feed more people, and waste a lot fewer natural resources.
@@someguy2135 Factory farming is more sustainable than hunting. That is the only claim I am making.
Hunting is bad but on an ethical scale it's infinitely better than farming animals
925 million humans (1 in 9) suffer from hunger, yet 80 billion unnaturally bred animals on farms are given enough human edible food that could support 4 billion humans directly. -University of Minnesota
They threw every arguement in the book at Ed and he responded so respectfully
Ed normally seems to effortlessly keep his cool…in this video, it sounded like Ed really had to make an effort to not scream at these guys 😂
There were even so many new arguments there that I've never heard before. 'it happens, so it's ethical' huh? 😂
I noticed their arguments always came back to fear of “big changes” so it might be helpful to mention the “big changes” is usually just picking the option on the left instead of the right on the menu lol
20:47 THIS !! After being vegan for almost 4 years now, each day I find more and more people who are vegan, I see more and more vegan options around me, and that's in part due to the choices I have made individually. The saddest part is that you feel like you aren't doing anything at all, which is what makes it hard to stick to but hindsight shows is working.
Yes! Also me being vegan without activly trying to get other people to become vegan still changed their amount of meat and overall animal product consumption (Milk).
you're all doing great stay true ❤ not everyone has it in them to do activism. just support those who can and each time you buy something ethical / vegan it DOES contribute.
Its not pointless ed turned countless people vegan saving soooo many animals
@@Dylitube yes. are you ok?
Well it's not pointless it's criminal actually, when the system brainwashes you to believe that you should eat grass and make everyone else do the same and ignore your own natural senses.
I wish we will live in a vegan world someday. Thank you Ed for what you do :)
"why should I stop doing something I think is wrong if someone else might not think it's wrong"
It's disappointing to see young people, specially students who're supposed to be more open minded, ideologic and aspiring to do better and change the World in a positive manner with such closed-minded, egocentric, powerless and defeatist attitude.
@arioca Ok, then how about lets have a real discussion. Maybe you can answer some of these REAL vegan critiques?
Please explain to me how killing a million insects or more to fund your salad habit to be a vegan is better in any way (health, nature etc) than just eating unfertilized eggs from pet chickens that you love and would never harm? Thats what I do. Or could you possibly explain why Faux leather, which turns into microplastics in the sea, is better than biodegradable leather? The cow can die a natural death. You can still get leather. No toxic chemicals or even murder needed! You kill more animals driving to work than I do to eat a meat based diet. I kill 1 bison a year, feeds the entire family too, so its only 1/4 death for each of us. LOL. How many bugs hit your windshield this morning?
@@Dylitube Raising animals for food and leather requires huge amounts of feed, pastureland, water, and fossil fuels. Animals on factory farms produce 130 times as much excrement as the entire human population, without the benefit of waste treatment plants. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has even acknowledged that livestock pollution is the greatest threat to our waterways.
Although some leather makers deceptively tout their products as “eco-friendly,” turning skin into leather also requires massive amounts of energy and dangerous chemicals, including mineral salts, formaldehyde, coal-tar derivatives, and various oils, dyes, and finishes, some of them cyanide-based. Most leather produced in the U.S. is chrome-tanned, and all wastes containing chromium are considered hazardous by the EPA.
Tannery waste contains large amounts of pollutants, such as salt, lime sludge, sulfides, and acids. The process of tanning stabilizes the collagen or protein fibers in skins so that they stop biodegrading-otherwise, the leather would rot right in your closet.
People who work in and live near tanneries suffer, too. Many die of cancer possibly caused by exposure to toxic chemicals used to process and dye the leather. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that the incidence of leukemia among residents in an area near one tannery in Kentucky was five times the U.S. average.
Arsenic, a common tannery chemical, has long been associated with lung cancer in workers who are exposed to it on a regular basis. Studies of leather-tannery workers in Sweden and Italy found cancer risks “between 20% and 50% above [those] expected.”
In addition, raising the animals whose skin eventually becomes leather requires vast quantities of water and wide tracts of pastureland, which must be cleared of trees. In fact, in the last half century, 70 percent of the Amazon rainforest has been cleared to make way for pastures or for growing feed crops. This mass deforestation causes habitat loss for millions of species, eliminates the Earth’s tree canopy, and drives climate change. Animal agriculture and its methane- and nitrous oxide-rich products, including leather, are leading contributors to climate change.
Runoff from feedlots and dairy farms also creates a major source of water pollution. Leather has one of the greatest impacts on eutrophication of all materials used for fashion, a serious ecological problem in which runoff waste creates an overgrowth of plant life in water systems, which suffocates animals by depleting oxygen levels in the water and is the leading cause of hypoxic zones, also known as “dead zones.” The EPA has confirmed that factory farms account for 70 percent of the water pollution in the U.S. By some estimates, animal agriculture is responsible for more greenhouse gases than all of the world’s transportation systems combined.
Huge amounts of fossil fuels are consumed in livestock production as well, and cow-derived leather has almost three times the negative environmental impact as its synthetic counterparts, including polyurethane (PU) leather.
The production of leather hurts animals, the environment, and the workers who manufacture it. The only ones who benefit are people who profit from the misery and suffering of others. Thankfully, there are plenty of sustainable vegan leather options to choose from today that mimic the properties of leather without the cruelty to animals or environmental devastation.
And there is lab grown leather that does'nt involve the exploitation and use of animals in any way at all. Maybe do your research instead of trolling vegan channels with your uneducated nonsense.
@@Dylitube More collateral deaths of wildlife are caused by growing and harvesting crops to feed 90 billion farm animals every day.🤷
@@Dylitube No bugs on my windscreen as pesticides have killed so many of them. 🤷
@@Dylitube Is this a serious question? You need only look at the 1st law of thermodynamics to understand why your "solution" kills thousands more insects than a full plant based diet lmao
Great work as always, Ed.
Confidence. It's the food of the wise man but the liquor of the fool. - Vikram The Office(US)
"Better to be a happy idiot than someone who knows the truth" - Michael Scott The Office (US)
I've killed chicken, goats, and fish for "food."
I grew up with gang violence and abusive/neglectful parents. After high school, I joined the U.S. Marines. These kids are very privileged and are capable of easily being vegan.
After leaving the U.S. Marines I started questioning many things. (Dark times post multiple deployments, finally properly processing my childhood trauma and then my experiences in war)
After much reflection, I eventually went vegan in 2018. I concluded that I've been through and have caused enough suffering in my life.
I used to say I could never go vegan because I wasn't willing to change.
If I can do it. Anyone can!
Thank you for sharing!
Your path in life could've gone so bad but you changed and that is an amazing achievement.
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@@piaogilvie8463 Thank you. Life has been a rough journey, but I'm doing what I can to make life better for everyone, human and non-human alike.
"Rome wasn't built in a day."
@@Lorenzo_That_Vegan_Dad
For many years I worked with children and teenagers who had, like you, been dealt really bad cards in life.
Many of them can't change. Many of them fight their way through life.
I have so much respect for you
Whenever someone asks “what difference can one person make?” I say “A lot.” I ask them to think about how much money they spend on food in one year. How many thousands of dollars they are giving to companies that torture and exploit animals. That money can go to vegan businesses and strengthen their position. The actions of one person does make a difference.
Every person kills 100 animals in one year on average.
8000 during all life.
Why would I want to support a vegan business when I could support a regenerative farm with animals?
@@Dylitube if you like things that are regenerative then because vegan alternatives are regenerative
@@nerdwisdomyo9563 huh? "vegan" farming by definition is not regenerative because it requires chemical fertilizers and kills the soil. Think about it. If a vegan farm had even just 50 chickens per acre, and was a small farm at only 100 acres, then thats 5000 chickens. Which is 100000 dozen eggs/year. Why would any sane farmer or person let 1.2 million eggs a year go to waste to be a vegan? Let all the starving children die because of your vegan religion and just let all those eggs go to waste? No way. They just skip the chicken part and use fertilizer. Its stupid.
@@DylitubeBecause regenerative farming is not anywhere near as effective as its proponents suggest. What would be significantly more effective, would be the reduction of overall agricultural land use and the rewilding of that agricultural land. Wild spaces, particularly forests, are significantly larger carbon sinks than some grass with some cows on it
Appreciate the two young lads trying to understand your perspective, felt like they were trying to learn the truth...
Hope they learn & make a change for the betterment of everyone
ahh bro you're so cool because you don't consider the feelings of others you're soooo cool bro
tHeY aRe BrEaD fOr ChIcKeN wInGs 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
babe wake up new earthling ed video dropped
Not only a new video, a new DISCUSSION video
Let babe sleep. The video will still be there. Sleep eludes us sometimes. We're a sleep deprived species.
Very sweet💚
@@Lorenzo_That_Vegan_Dadwake babe up, she's lazy and needs to get a job
Your comment is as tired and hackneyed as the « I’m a simple man…» comment.
He should first start out by showing them videos of slaughter houses Until people see the reality they just can’t comprehend the horrors
I agree. It's a very abstract, hazy, non-specific idea of what happens in slaughterhouses. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
Yeah, was thinking about that too
Seen it don't care it's food
@@rondarkman.i agree, meat is healthy and good, it also tastes amazing, maybe we should make sharks go on a plant based diet to save the fish
Exactly! Sharks cannot eat plants. I was vegan but your argument has convinced me to switch.
i cant be vegan cuz of a tribe of people living in the forest. >_>.
You made them think, for the guy on the left about three issues for the first time. All you can really do. Most vegans were once naive and arrogant about our habits. There's a lot of hope here.
"People can avoid smoking, but they still smoke, therefore eating meat is good." The case for veganism is watertight, but we need to get of our arses and disabuse people. The guy on the left concedes early on, if only tacitly, that it'd be best to be vegan (but his position is that he isn't vegan because his proverbial vote doesn't matter). Thank you, Ed.
Hey I'm from Asia. Stop using us as an excuse to continue to harm animals. The question is why aren't you vegan not why aren't the poor from an underdeveloped nation vegan. Also, if you care so much about the poor, then you shouldn't be eating meat. Food sources are diverted for livestock rather than for direct human consumption.
Beautiful Comment!
Don't deflect. Just because you don't have a valid counterargument doesn't mean you have to make it personal.
Proposition: Why aren’t YOU vegan?
Them: What about poor people in other countries?
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@@VeganSemihCyprus33dis, dat, andy udder ting?
Many such cases
That is a great argument to use because vegans have no counterargument and simply deflect.
America's youth -- God help us. Self-serving, bereft of moral balance... very depressing. Thanks Ed for continuing to fight the fight.
The guy in the dark blue hoodie has a smirk on his face constantly, he didn't give a crap from beginning to end, but light grey shirt person actually wanted information. If light grey went vegan, the darker shirt would defs try to stop lighter shirt, or keep convincing them to be like him. Lighter grey shirt looks like he would go vegan if he didn't have dark blue hoodie holding him back from growth.
The blue hoodie shirt person was using whataboutism & fallacies like crazy, & can't win the moral/ethical argument so they argue EVERYTHING else. Grey shirt recognizes, & is almost there. I wish Ed brought up vegetarianism is far worse & I'd argue go vegan & why vegetariansim is worse & why.
Dark blue hoodie also keeps trying to take more space, physically overtaking light grey shirt. It feels like dark hoodie is trying to keep a barrier between Ed & light grey, dark shirt. It's as if they are afraid of losing, losing his friend, getting defensive more, no reason for the physical actions except aggitation, fear, whatever he was feeling building up & when he had no more agruments & still lost, he was so raring to get going.
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I was a vegetarian for 30 years and never took B12 but I have since I went vegan 8 years ago. It’s not a big deal to take a couple supplements. It helps saves animals from torture and death.
That guy on the left might possibly be the dumbest person I’ve seen argue with Ed. And that’s honestly saying a lot.
To me it seemed like he was somehow partly arguing against having to become a vegan activist.
I worked a Plant-Based Treaty table at the two universities here in Winnipeg and was pleasantly surprised at how many students were either vegan or vegetarian and aware of the devastating impacts of animal agriculture. But it appears there are still many myths floating around out there. Thanx for the convo, Ed!
@@Dylitube Funny how the plant rights activists only pipe up when their flesh eating is challenged. Hmm. Weird . . . but predictable.
@@Dylitubewhat do you think farmed animals eat, genius?
@@Dylitube The vast majority of chickens in the world are factory farmed. They don't have a choice of what to eat.🤷
This bro acts like you need to get a PhD in veganism before you can eat plant-based. wtf? lol
A PhD and 72 hour days
"Why aren't YOU vegan" "because people in other countries can't be" ...wtf
They'll do some biased websearches, find degrass tyson talking about plants feeling pain and feel utterly justified
It's truly depressing how few males understand the responsibility of a MAN to work to make the world a better place. Not working towards peace? Not caring about morals? What exactly are you alive for? Trashy nights in Vegas? Man up and protect your one and only world.
Beautiful comment
this is probably the only time i can agree with this gendered and male centric rhetoric lol. everyone should work towards to create change in our world, but i still agree with ur point.
its not just the responsibility of only men but yeah
@@shibainu1428 I think this kind of rhetoric works better if you specifically target it towards men. Because the "alpha male" stuff will just repel if you also talk about women for them
Exactly this!
The thing that seperates Ed is that he is compassionate, when talking to non-vegans. He is there to educate, not to win the argument.
Animal agriculture uses 83% of farmland and only provides 18% of calories. When we switch to a plant based food system, we can restore/reforest 76% of farmland AND be able to feed everyone. -J. Poore, Oxford, journal Science
Sometime I don't get why they even go to university if they think that an individual can't change anything in the world
Crazy good take
Whatever uni the dark blue hoodie guy got into must have a really really low threshold to get in.
Ed, you have more patience than anyone on the planet!
Almost every conversation has at some point the meat eaters talking about plants, lions, "everybody" or like in this conversation cars.
Ed, you're a master at getting people back to the topic at hand and holding them accountable.
Brilliant as always 💡
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some carnivores start looking like what they eat.
So vegans look like plants now?
Lol
Yeah we're called humans.
@@gabrielascensotomas that's a different kind of eating.
@@rangv733 eventually we all will.
"Yeah, the chicken in front of me right now... but... ...but the Tesla cars in India!" - well, that escalated quickly ! :)
Jeez they have no clue how easy it is to eat a plant based diet!!!
but its not. you do have to invest time, you have to decline food, you have to tell family and freiend who might react badly ... is it that easy? idk
Its definitely not easy. I try to eat organic non sprayed and its really difficult to get my hands on quality organic produce even here in europe. And its expensive. Every producer should be focusing on organic growing. pesticides are killing people
It isn't easy at all. Your privilege is showing
If it was that easy to eat a plant based died why are u eating fake looking meat products whitch are filled with more awful stuff like fat sugar and its loads more expensive its bland & tasteless than a meat diet
@@Yorker1998what makes it so hard for you?
My vegan Bingo card got filled up quickly on this one.
you can't convince people like this because taste>animal harm. they just don't give a fuck.
Yup I do not care animals are food its all good
@@rondarkman. i disagree obviously but this is the rationale for about 95% of everyone
Please keep posting these debating videos. We can see the fallacies of non vegan arguments so much easier. I went vegan because of these type of videos
Heard the same thing from my dad. I am still vegan nine years later.
Heard the same thing from my dad...I'm still omnivore 9 yrs later
It’s like watching religious debates… I keep hoping to hear a good argument against reason but it just never comes
How does eating or not eating chickens effect his studies?
The brian runs on chickens
Studies show that 84% quit veganism.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 not true
@@SlipperyManBean It's true. Can you dig it?
How is he supposed to study if he's hungry?
A stronger argument would be to use a voting analogy. For example, imagine you're a Trump supporter, and you know Biden is almost certainly going to win. Would you still cast your vote for Trump? Most likely, yes, because even if it doesn't change the outcome, you want to stand by what you believe is right. Similarly, choosing to go vegan isn't just about immediate change-it's about aligning your actions with your values, regardless of the larger outcome.
your local municipality (any govt body) isn't handling waste collection properly. and it has come to a situation where people are dumping their garbage in certain public places causing a lot of issues. the sight of these sites piled with garbage bags has become common. would you join others and dispose the garbage from your house too there even when there are alternative better options available and just because just me not choosing to not do it wont change the issue? you know very well how much problem its causing to everyone. so what do you think would you do in such a situation.
might be a good point to ask.
Unfortunately that happens even in voting. Like alot of people say they prefer RFK Jr. over the other candidates, he still gets less support because most ppl don’t believe he has a chance of winning
Meat eaters for Kamala!
@@Theedeadman If people choose not to support candidates they believe in because they think they won't win, it undermines the very principles of standing by what you think is right. If everyone thought this way, we wouldn't see any progress or representation for alternative views. Believing in something and taking a stand for it is important, regardless of the immediate outcome.
Ed you’re my best friend and we’ve never even met.
😂😂😂😂simp
Left guy thinks he's smart, even he says things that aren't lol
Carnists with the same tired arguments as usual. Props to you Ed for having to listen to these lot
Don't need to argue animals are food
@@Dylitube Veganism is NOT a diet. We've no need to consume animal products to live healthily. Plus it's better for biodiversity and the climate too.🤷
@@Dylitube Vegetarians support animal abuse in the dairy and egg industries.😏
@@chrissiehorsley304 well thats maybe true. You can live MORE healthily by eating eggs and salmon roe and ghee. to be fair, i agree its not a diet. its a weird religion. also, the health problem is less the lack of animal foods and the increase in chemicals, fertilizers, plastics and dead soil. that being said, salmon roe is infinitely better for you than flax seeds. and why can't you eat an unfertilized egg or fermented milk, nothing is being harmed, tortured or killed? You are killing insects to grow the veggies, and you are killing other plants (weeds). Its not even morally superior. So at the end of the day you kill more stuff and you are less healthy. I don't see the point of it. Could you enlighten me? Plus, if you are a fan of spinach or kale, you really should add a little kefir to "cream" it. If you dont, then you are essentially poisoning yourself with oxalates. All you have to do is add a little bit of dairy and boom its healthy for you. Since I know you won't do that, PLEASE at least add some mustard seeds and lemon to it and never eat them raw.
@@Dylitube If you are being genuine when you say "could you enlighten me", I would suggest watching videos of dairy cows and the egg industry. You may not have seen this footage before based on the statement "nothing is being harmed, tortured, or killed". Male chicks are useless in the egg industry and are thus macerated and minced up alive within minutes of being born. Dairy cows have their calves taken away from them seconds after giving birth and they are forcably impregnated by us humans year after year in order for us to steal their milk (not to mention their premature death when they are sent to slaughter because they no longer produce enough milk to be profitable). You also mention that insects and plants are still being killed regardless, which is true, but when you think about the fact that most of the crops we produce are used specifically to feed animals being bred into existence by us humans, by arguing that we should reduce the amount of plants we kill, you are actually advocating for plant-based nutrition and veganism anyway (since more plants are killed for the purpose of animal feed). Again, if you are being genuine, I recommend watching Ed's TedX Talk called Every Argument Against Veganism.
A masterclass in how not to take personal accountability for one's own actions.
You know what frustrates me.
In sooooo many discussions like this, it very quickly moves away from the most vital and important point that exploiting , abusing and killing other sentient beings is wrong, and moves on to politics, capitalism, anything to dodge and avoid sticking with what sentientism and veganism is about.
Ed, you always amaze me with your compassionate, yet steadfast way of speaking with people. Thank you for what you do!!!
they are nhilist materialist npcs. what a patience ed
I find this too frustrating to finish. I don't know how Ed can sit through such pathetic excuses and poorly formed arguments.
The guy on the left saying he lives in Dubai explained everything. Incredible how you keep your patience and cool.
Guy on the left thought he’d come on this for a joke but is realising he’s (pardon the pun) getting cooked. This is why he keeps looking out to the crowd, because he’s embarrassed and dying inside
Ed, Just wanted to say that i love the way you connect towards people, your passive/professional way of approach and communication is just marvelous and should be copied all over the globe. I'm a meat eater still sadly, though i 100% agree with you on every aspect on this subject. Keep up the good work, and perhaps one day I'll be able to completely quit eating meat as well. Thanks for your vids. Love.
One day is not a day of the week. Pick a day and make the transition! You can practice a handful of recipes before going full vegan. And when you decide on the day, which can easily be within weeks from now, you will already have the knowledge and skills to do it. The single biggest regret of every vegan is they didn't start sooner when they all knew they easily could have.
Whenever the 🔵 guy is talking, I'm losing brain cells.
A summary of the students' argument: 'BUT I DON'T WANNAAAAA'
I have to clarify that veganism isn't "better" and eating animal products "ok". Eating animal products is incredibly cruel and wrong and veganism is ok. Veganism isn't even good yet. We should try to communicate that more clearly, since people don't want to do something wrong way more than they want to do something good. So becoming vegan isn't acting even better, it's acting in an acceptable way for the first time in your life.
Peace is the ultimate goal ❤Animals want to be left alone and not exploited and murdered!! Good Lord ❤
I always think about all of the horribly sad footage of animals dying when someone is trying to justify eating meat. I really think people need to witness that to understand what we vegans mean. They are so removed from the actual murder that happens and it makes them look so insensitive without them realizing it.
Ed I appreciate you so much
Ed I think you did great like usual! A small point I was hoping you'd make was an argument for individual impact.
Even if we assume nothing ever did change on a macro scale we can at least know with a high degree of certainty that every time we choose not to buy animal products directly translates into less demand and less animal suffering overall.
I'm curious: Do you avoid that argument because it's not effective or too complex to explain?
20:19 "who gives a fuck about my opinion" yourself??? ah to be a passive young man fulfiling the life the market tells you to live
I've never understood the argument of 'one person will never make a difference'. One person can make a huge difference, all change starts with an individual.
4:26 my man is saying the east is not privileged to be vegan...doesnt realize china and india are very vegatarian in their diets lol
While I agree with your sentiment, I'm sorry but China are absolutely NOT very vegetarian in the diets. It's a big country so some places will be, but generally the Chinese are VERRRRY meat/animal-centric in their diets.
China? I don't think so
@@FromTheFens219 buddhism is popular in china so there has been cultural vegetarianism for thousands of years, rice and soy are staples, and traditional rural diets have little meat due to cost
23:38 'i live in dubai' - of course you do 😂
Rich kids for sure
Grey jumper is a serious thinker. The blue jumper is just making silly excuses. High chance that the the seed with sprout in the grey jumper guy.
I became vegan because of Ed.
Dude.. Ed.. You have the patience of a saint. Truly admirable. Thank you for your work.
I wrote a song about slaughter called Only For Slaughter. Animal rights activists/vegans might be able to use it to plant seeds in peoples head to help them think about their choices. Ed, you're doing important work and so much good for the world. Much love.
I was skeptical, but I'm glad I checked it out! Very beautiful song.
Where can we hear your song?
@piaogilvie8463 I clicked on their profile pic and went to their profile and then found the song under their videos.
@@JoshuaMakar
Thank you, Joshua!
It's awsome to eat veal to cheers❤❤😂
"Is it bad to kill an animal when we don't have to?" That long pause says it all. We're all sentient beings, and we share this planet. To rape, beat, starve, all the bullshit that takes place in their lives is unnecessary and uncalled for. That's slave shit. That's prejudice. Education and comprehending the fact that it's wrong is common sense. People need to stop beating around the bush, be an adult, and take responsibility for the senseless violence we cause.
Let's keep it pushin', Ed. One step at a time makes all the difference.
Well said.
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@rondarkman. Does that emoji indicate you find slavery something to be mocked? I mean, we can get into it if you care to have an intelligent, grown ass conversation. Or you can continue to look like a damn fool since that seems to be all. You. Do.
@rondarkman. Do you find some shit funny about slavery? Elaborate it for me because I damn sure want to know.
@@Angela_Clark
Slaves tho , they are not slaves they are animals bred for consumption
Veganism is not a diet. Veganism is about living without EXPLOITING (using) animals.
But most of your messaging is about eating animals.... why is that?
I also saw on one of your latest video that you cant find a strong argument against people eating backyard hens if the hens are treated well, have you forgotten that you have once said 'we need to stop viewing animals as commodities'?
Animals are here with us, not FOR us. It is that simple. 🤷♂️
It certainly is a diet.
Exactly! It's so annoying to look at a person who has so much influence not convey a vegan message... People hetalk to have NO idea what Veganism means after leaving the convention.
@@unlimitedhangout5Certainly not. But Ed convey it like it is, which is frustrating and disrespectful to the movement and its objective.
@@unlimitedhangout5 did you get that idea from watching Ed's MISINFORMED videos?
Winters has never accepted the concept of veganism. He only defends Peter Singer's utilitarianism.
Go Ed! Best horse in the stable...
I can't imagine thinking like them. Way to go, Ed. As always he stays kind and patient.
You have so much patience!
Priceless
Futility at best!
UK is very vegan friendly! I visited there in summer and it was amazing! US is way behind in this context.
17:40 The guy is equivocating between torturing a sentient being who lacks legal protection for their whole life and then steal that life for a moment of taste pleasure, and releasing exhaust on a daily commute, which kills or exploits no one, and is may be critical to going to work.
Patience of a saint. Thanks for this, Ed. You inspire me to be more patient. 😇🫡
"Why should i care about a chicken" The fact that this kid has to ask that question out loud tells you how little he thinks of animals. What kind of person kills animals when they don't to?
God the guy on the left obviously grew up entitled. People like these guys are why Idiocracy is starting to come true.
'Supplements? They're scaaarrrryyy' ......
In conversations like this it is so often difficult to get people to concentrate on their ownership actions.
"It died a good death" he says... while averting his eyes 😂
Their whole argument was basically "the entire world might not go fully vegan, therefore I don't care about my own moral standpoint"
love watching you getting meat eaters in a cognitive twist
I want a person like ed rule my country.... Kind and smart.... ♥️
I live in Dubai is all I needed to hear