I absolutely love mine. It’s not the lightest but it’s very confidence inspiring in my hands. If I wasn’t so spoiled by the speed and lightness of my Colt Defender I’d carry it more often.
@@DanRussell-q8s indeed it really shines on the range. My defender is just so much lighter and easier to conceal. It’s also a double tap machine. That 3” 45 is the fastest of all my pistols including my commanders
Excellent review, Howard; thank you! With several decades of inconsequential experience, I really like Sigs; their quality, design, innovation, durability, accuracy and reliability are (imho) all first rate. In fact, my P226 is currently almost as close to me as my coffee cup. Therefore, the comment that follows is NOT Sig-focused; rather, it concerns .45 ACP barrel lengths. My first autoloaders were five-inch, .45 ACP, 1911A1s (Colt, two Springfield and a Kimber). That was a good many decades ago, I still own both Springfield’s, and I’m a lifelong devotee of the .45 ACP round. Many years later, I sadly purchased a Glock 36, due to it’s smaller size (3.78 inch barrel) and my foolish hope that it would be concealable and have decent ergonomics. That was the biggest error I ever made in acquiring a handgun. But a leaned some valuable things with that G36; the most important lesson was - even with Glock polygonal rifling - a 3.78 inch barrel is insufficient to ensure consistent and good JHP expansion . . . with some ammunitions AND at ranges in excess of maybe 15 or 20 yards (approximately). For this reason, I have a degree of skepticism regarding 230 grain, .45 ACP defensive loads fired from 4.25 (or shorter) barrels. Now to be very clear, my reservations do NOT extend to lighter (e.g., 200 and 185 grain) projectiles. However - and this very well may well be foolish traditionalism - aren’t .45 ACP rounds supposed to have 230 grain 😊projectiles (yeah, I’m aware the Saint John Browning’s original 1911 design was for a 200 grain bullet)? So, with all this said, the Sig FB looks like a fine firearm (presuming the sight alignment can be enhanced), however\, I would not want to engage a hostile threat at (let’s say) 50 yards, with it stoked with a randomly selected JHP. Of course, everything in this post is ONLY one fellow’s ill-educated musings.
Thanks Roy. for what it's worth, I prefer the 230 grain loadings too. Anything lighter seems like a compromise to me. I'm not too worried about expansion from a 4 1/4" barrel. Even if the bullet doesn't expand it's still producing a 45 caliber wound channel. Truthfully, when it comes to a 1911, I'm not TOO worried about running it with ball ammo (I know, I know, over-penetration, etc.). But for the greater degree of relaibility, and the aforementioned wound channel, it's a calculated risk.
Well written. I agree with most of what you wrote. However I feel the only real use for a JHP bullet is to mitigate overpenetration. When fired from a handgun there is simply not enough energy in any 9mm, 45ACP, 357, even 10mm, to cause additional damage from a permanent cavity. There is no hydrostatic shock from a firearm until velocities are well above 2k FPS. And a JHP, while the expansion provides a larger wound channel, doesn't expand enough to make a difference in most cases. After all we're still only talking about a couple tenths of an inch at most. It's for this reason I interpret the findings of ballistic testing to fail to show a real difference between most handgun calibers in their ability to stop a bad guy. The only way to stop a bad guy quickly is to break important bones, disconnect their nervous system, or put a hole in their heart/aorta. It's more effective to use the psychological stopping power inherent in all firearms. Bottom line is that I still use JHP defensive ammo in my carry guns, but it's not for the reasons that are most commonly espoused.
@@Blakgun I largely agree. “Normal” handguns really are marginal instantaneous deadly felony stoppers . . . IF the adversary is determined. Absent a CNS or heart hit, a LOT of catastrophic damage can occur, even if the felon has received repeated eventually-deadly wounds. To illustrate this, during the April, 1986, FBI Miami firefight, Platt was hit a dozen times, but - tragically - before he succumbed he murdered two FBI SA’s and seriously wounded several others. While projectile technology has improved in the last 35+ years, the foregoing truth remains fundamentally unaltered. Fortunately, a LOT of criminals are psychologically deterred; the mere sight of a firearm often immediately leads to broken contact, not to mention a round fired that misses the intend target. However, sometimes the felon persists, and then accuracy is paramount.
In shorter than 4.25 HST, I believe Punch, and 185 Golden Sabers and Critical Defense are the ones that will expand well. Lucky Gunners tests in less dense clear gel was w 3.64 cw45 . SEALS USED just shy of 4" polygonal barrel hk45c Mark 24s...hk barrels are fast and they supposedly were carrying 185plusP jhps on Bin Laden Raid. LAPD SIS had a lot of shootings with G30s...I don't know if still hyrdashoks that didn't always expand or Winchester jhps that would be interesting to know from coroner reports.
As always, a very good review by you. I understand your reluctance to say anything negative about this firearm without proof. So I will. I saw nothing to justify the rather high price tag other than the name on it.
Hr great review as always , you never appear to show a natural bias with 1911 platforms. Just getting into 1911s with a recent colt purchase myself. Stay blessed.
@@hrfunk An o1991 with medallion stag grips, the jewelry store I purchased from stated it didn’t appear used from previous owner. Upon cleaning n inspection appears correct. The price was too good to pass up cheaper than a new Springfield.
Thanks Chief! Great review. I own 5 1911s, one being a full size Sig. It's by far my favorite, and by far the almost the most reliable. In fact it's my main home pistol. Yes, California, so 10 round mags. Yes I'd rather have 10 rounds of .45 than 10 of 9mm. But it's accurate, perhaps two malfunctions including all kinds of hollow point in over 4000 rounds. Personally I think it's the Sig style extractor, but reliability wise it's second only to my higher end Les Baer in which I've had zero malfunctions in about 1500 rounds.
Great review as always, I've been a 1911 collector for many years and actually don't own one of these. Love the way they look, like the idea of the external extractor, and like Sig. BUT, just can't get around the series 80 thing.
I do like your evaluation protocol. I have shot 1911s for years. Over the years I noticed a tendency to pull left. I adjusted the rear sight to compensate for it. More recently I purchased a compact 1911, which I haven't owned in several years. I was pulling shots to the left again. Maybe it was my out of practice with that gun or perhaps it was my grip. You aren't the only one who encounters that problem. And Sig makes one of the nicer 1911s out there today. Pricey, but you get what you pay for. Keep up the good work.
Good morning, HRFUNK and family. Happy labor day weekend to all you there. Yes, ive ran into that a few times with shooting pistol and their grips panels. Its like my shadow systems MR920L pistol. They say the back strap thats installed on it is the neutral - ( M&P ) type angle thats on it. With me owning a Smith&Wesson M&P9 2.0 metal and having now over 4,000 rounds thru just that one, i know something didn't feel right. My shot placement was, crap. When i changed to thier - LOW - ( 1911 ) style grip back strap on my MR920L. 👌 shot placement was on point. To many people are quick to blame the pistol. Most of the time its something as simple as changing the stock grip setup to taller to your hands. So remember yourself on shadow systems pistols if you ever shoot one. If your having issues with the - neutral - ( M&P ) style back strap. Change to the - LOW - ( 1911 ) style back strap. 👌. Then youll be set
Thanks! I tend to cycle through backstraps/grip inserts to find the ones that work best for me. Since the Scorpion Carry was loaned to me, I didn't want to start changing things on it for this video.
Thanks for doing this review and all of your up close details! I've been on the lookout for one of these in my area, but as a Southpaw I certainly need to pay a little more attention to the ambi thumb safety for my needs. 🇺🇲
I wonder how you would like this safety arrangement? It seems to have been set up for a right-handed shooter who might have an occasional need to disengage the safety with the left hand.
@@hrfunk That's what I'm wondering: Bigger right side levers work good for lefties, but sometimes get swept off w/left-handed, body side carry. This smaller lever may help to avoid that, but it may also be harder to engage/disengage for regular use. I would need some trigger time to confirm. 👍
Several months ago I picked up a very nice 45ACP Sig Scorpion 1911, not the Emperor Scorpion, but the very similar model that predated it. It's a full size 5" barrel, very nicely finished, very well made, solid pistol. At 10 yards I am able to keep 1" groups with S&B target ammo. The sights are wonderful, still having most of the original tritium brightness to them, and the trigger is excellent. I measured the pull weight on a Wheeler digital gauge at an average of 3 lbs 12 oz across five pulls. If it wasn't such a heavy pistol it would be a fantastic carry gun, but it does make for a very nice home defense gun, or just a range toy. Your review seems to be spot on with my experience with the earlier model with it being a very solid and well built gun. Although I can't account for the leftward bullet impact drift you are having. I only mention this because it has inspired me to perhaps pick up the Emperor Scorpion Carry Fastback, as if I need yet ANOTHER carry gun. 🤣 Anyway, you and I seem to find similar things important, so I value your reviews. Thank you for taking the time to post these. By the way, one thing that I don't recall you mentioning is the proprietary slide profile that Sig used on most of their 1911 line. It makes it a bit more of a chore to find a holster. Does the Emperor Scorpion Carry have that profile as well?
THANKS for mentioning the slide profile! I did not know that about the SIGs. I already have a lot of money in "Colt" holsters and I was assuming that this SIG would , of course, fit in them.
@@frankhinkle5772 I've made my leather 1911 holsters fit the Sig without much of an issue. I just dampen the leather with tap water, wrap the Sig in wax paper, then jam it in the holster and let it dry 24 hrs. The Sig is very close to the standard profile so it doesn't take much. Don't be afraid of getting the leather too wet. Once it dries it will be fine. Just avoid oiling it or it will lose it's form and stretch out. Good quality leather doesn't need to be oiled, just cleaned with saddle soap when it gets dirty. I've found that my IWB leather holsters are still quite usable with the standard "Colt" profile even after being adjusted to fit the Sig. They are a bit loose but not enough to matter. My gun belt keeps things tight. I'm not sure I'd do the same thing with a open top leather OWB holster unless you had at least a snap retention on it. If you have kydex holsters you can do something similar using a heat gun or perhaps a hair dryer. Gently heat the kydex and work the gun in to the holster. Don't over heat the kydex or it will lose detail. Once the gun is in place then push the soft kydex into place with your fingers around the gun to where it fits well. Again, don't over heat it. Go slow. Hope this helps.🙂
Looked at the Full Size variant yesterday at a High End Range/Retailer..shy of $1500.00 before taxes. I'm a Sig Fan.. a 1911 Fanatic but a few things I cannot gravitate to. Not big on Commander or Compact 1911's as traditionally the reliability drops off with a size decrease. Your mileage may vary? Can't get but I'm willing to try the Sig 1911's with an External Extractor. The lack of an Optic Rail I find surprising , with all the other little modern upgrades involved. I'm going to withhold judgement on Hammer till more facts are available as to its method of manufacture. Nice review.
Completely off topic . . . please forgive me Howard. For years I have wanted an approximately 3.7 inch barrel, 9x19, as my Summer (perhaps, Winter, too) EDC. This size-class (imho) is a good compromise size between the (~3 inch barrel) micro compacts and the (~4 inch barrel) compacts. Earlier today, and after months of thinking and debating, I found a very good deal on a CZ P-07. I selected this autoloader due to CZ’s outstanding - and proven - ergonomics, durability, accuracy, reliability, and quality, plenty of capacity, decent sights, multiple back straps, interchangeable de-cocker / safety, Omega trigger, and my preference for traditional DA / SA / hammer fired semiautomatic designs. I’m certainly into trying to hijack this video, but I wanted to share this news.
Turn your left foot to the right a bit and it should take care of that left pull . It doesn't take a lot . I use to have the same problem and a Police Instructor told me this because your shoulders will follow your left foot if you are right handed .
Well might not be your fault. I find that I also hitting left of center with my sig 1911 scorpion. Didn’t seem to have that problem with my other 1911’s. I attempted to drift my rear sight after removing the set screw and using a sight pusher. Very difficult so I stopped before I might damage the weapon. So I’ll change my aim point slightly and try a different grip paying strict attention to grip and movement of my fire hand fingers to make sure that they don’t change on the squeeze and shoot.
the "internal" extractor milling doesnt go all the way down the slide. Its there just to hold the series 80 trigger block into place. And I noticed the same tendency to pull to the left on presentation with it as well. Thought something was odd when I shot mine for the first time last week. Might try swapping the G2 grips with some GI grips I have in the parts box and see how it handles afterwards.
HR, my carry is a Sug 1911 tuned up by the factory. Mine has a great trigger at just about 4 lb. I can say it is my favorite 1911. Good topic. Semper Fi.
Thanks for that test. I am in the market for a new carry pistol in that "Commander" model. I'll look at the SIG line, but I'm not feeling it with your review of this particular pistol.
I've read that Sig, like Kimber, originally avoided using the MIM process on all or most of their parts (opinions vary) when they first started making 1911ish pistols, but soon switched to MIM to keep costs down. Supposedly, the affected parts have included (at one point or another) their slide stop, hammer, sear, disconnector, mag catch, grip safety, thumb safety, and firing pin. Whatever the facts, at least the S&W 39 style curved butt looks better than the bobbed slant cut of so many other manufacturers.
@@hrfunk I agree. I have no intention of buying one. I think the Dan Wesson is a better built pistol. Heck, I think some of the Turkish 1911s can beat the Sig.
@@Paladin1873 Agreed that DW is a better pistol than the Sig 1911, in that the DW does not use any MIM parts. They are, however, very overpriced for a production gun (no matter what they advertise, they are production guns, feel free to ignore the BS claims of "hand fitting"). You can almost buy a Les Baer for the price of a DW. You're better off waiting and saving the extra few hundred dollars for the Baer, IMO.
@@joeblowfromidaho3642 We're not comparing top tier guns. The typical Baer, Wilson, or Brown is about a grand more than a comparably featured Dan Wesson, assuming you can find the model you want. Availability is very spotty. If you see any of them for a few hundred dollars more than a Wesson, then I suggest you snap it up. There are even higher grade pistols from outfits such s Guncrafter. And there's one chap who hand builds every part. If that's your cup of tea, go for it.
@@Paladin1873 Wilson or Brown (which I didn't mention) yes. Baer? No. They only recently went up to around $2600-$2700. DWs have reached up to $2200 or more. Les Baer isn't in the same league as Wilson Combat.
Regarding the internal extractor channel: It doesn’t actually go all the way through like a true internal extractor channel. The plug is there only to keep the Series 80 components in place, and if you remove it, you’ll see that the channel isn’t cut all the way through. Does help keep the classic aesthetics a bit more even with the external extractor. As for the external extractor itself, a replacement extractor doesn’t require as much fitting and tuning to get right than an internal extractor, so it’s easier to replace. I did fire my custom 1911, of which I took the slide off my Sig 1911, so much that the extractor wore out and I just dropped in an EGW replacement extractor and coil spring and it worked.
Thanks for the info. I’ve replaced both types of extractors. I don’t think either one is particularly difficult. The internal version doesn’t require driving a pin out/in, but as you mentioned, it might need a little tuning.
@@hrfunk Yeah. The need for an additional pin and spring for external extractors is why I think the military requested the external extractor (which were on Browning’s previous prototypes during the 11 year development of the 1911) to an internal one so there’s less small parts involved. But for me, driving out a pin requires a lot less finesse than tuning an internal extractor, so at this point I prefer that.
Nice review HR. Sig makes very liberal use of MIM parts in all of their newer guns, especially the 1911s, but the only complaint I've heard concerning those parts is that for what they cost people expect 'better' components, as was echoed in this review.
that's really my thoughts on the matter. As I stated, I'm not really opposed to the use of MIM parts (so long as they are made properly), but for the asking price of the Sig 1911's, I would expect forged parts. If Sig wants to use MIM parts, that's fine, but I think their prices should be more in line with other manufactures who do so.
Sig has followed FN and to many others to list on prices , this is a purpose built and ego pistol IMO thanks HR , Why wasn’t defensive HP ammunition used ?
With large mitts I would've thought you would've had no issues with the grips. I have G10's but they are thins and they are great but I have small hands.
Good morning HR. If that's a mim hammer it's definitely a turn off for me. I can live with some parts like grip safety or main spring housing. But I want forged hardened sear engagement surfaces. Do you think the bobtail frame may have contributed to shooting to the left? I would be interested to see how a similar bobtail Tisas at half the price compares. I bet it would shoot more than half as well.😂 Have a good time at HOP and act celebritorial. Enjoy the holiday weekend.
Thanks John! I don't have the first clue as to how to act "Celebritorial!" I really want to get one of the Tisas Stingray pistols to evaluate. They look great, and as you said, for the price they might just be a real sleeper.
@@hrfunk About six months ago I discovered Tisas. Since then I have purchased four different models (B9R, B45, Stingray, 1911A1) and shot them all extensively - over 1k rounds per gun (except for the 1911A1, that is only about 400 rounds so far) with a variety of ammo including JHPs of different brands, as well as Wilson, McCormick, Sig, Mecgar, and 8, 9, and 10 round factory magazines, depending on the caliber. To date, the ONLY failures I had, across all four pistols, were in the Stingray using 124 grain Speed Gold Dots. And that was only two failures to feed with the second magazine ever fired through that gun. Since then I have put another 100ish rounds of Gold Dots through it with no further issues. Combined that with the flawless performance of many hundreds of S&B, Federal HST, and a couple other brands, I have no reservations of carrying this pistol. The trigger is acceptable, the action is smooth, the recoil impulse is insignificant, the accuracy is acceptable, the sights are good, it conceals well, etc. It's a fine weapon. The only downside is that which it shares in common with all 1911 platforms, and that is the limited mag capacity. My experience with Tisas is that it is an exceptionally good value with no headaches, and I like there are no MIM parts in them - 100% forged parts. I have had much better luck with Tisas than I had with my recently acquired Springfield Ronin 10mm. It just returned yesterday from a seven week visit to the factory for several major issues, and it has a finish problem that I'm not going to worry about. I am looking forward to shooting it soon.
@@BlakgunI missed out on a used Ronin 10 mm on the website of a local shop a while ago. Ended up getting a Tisas D10 instead. I think I'm lucky it worked out that way. On the first magazine of Hornady XTPs the second round needed a nudge with my thumb to go into battery. Since then it's functioned flawlessly with FMJ and HP ammo. It's features and performance are way over it's price point. Hope your Ronin came back with the problems fixed and it works Ok for you.
@@johnherr3579 Sounds like you have a nice pistol there! I was looking hard at the D10 but went with the Ronin instead, so that's a funny coincidence. If built well, once you get past the first break in period they are fantastic guns. The 10mm is pretty much a do-it-all cartridge. It sees applications from Alaska wilderness bear repellent to medium game hunting, home defense and target shooting. Most factory loadings are fairly weak, but heavy loads are not hard to find and work well for defense purposes against 2 and 4 legged critters. I have a few 1911s in 10mm as well as a Sig P220 in 10mm. That Sig is a fantastic pistol by the way. It's expensive, but nice to have. Thank you for the well wishes on the Ronin. I really want to like that pistol so I'm looking forward to seeing how it performs after being serviced. It came back from the factory dirty as can be, like they put a hundred rounds through it, so I cleaned it and checked it out. So far, so good. The chamber was very tight and I was unable to extract Underwood ammo even before firing it. They reamed and polished the chamber and that seems to be fixed. The ramp was recut and polished and the extractor was tuned, so the feeding issues are hopefully fixed. The barrel was refitted and the slide stop was tuned. They also did something to the trigger as it seems to be more smooth and breaks clean just shy of 4 lbs. It was 5 lbs when I sent it off. I have high hopes! :)
Nightmare Carry commander 1911 in .357 SIG and the rounded butt night sights a favorite. Very reliable and accurate. Have been intrigued with this cartridge plus favor the 1911.
What's worse? Your Springfield Ronin's plastic trigger? Or Sig's MIM looking hammer? I think your bottom basement Tisas outshines them both in the quality dept. Good luck with that PVD finish. Does the 4.2"bbl. make its recoil spring replacement, a Sig proprietary part? Sig has Checkmate make their 1911 mags for them.
Interesting the way that pistol shot left. You could the right lung up again if you were short on targets, lol. Maybe some slimmer grips? Lok makes nice grips. I've got a set of Magpuls on my Sig 1911 - great texture, slim, and not expensive. Nice to see the pupper out with you. And that older guy looked like a fun dude, too. Take care, HR.
Your reviews are by far my favorite. All things that matter and none of the nonsense. I really don't care if it can hit at 100 yards, shoot upside down or if it's a race gun. I do love to see if it's a tack drive though. Sig Sauer is my favorite company. I own several, but I don't limit myself to one brand. Would like to have seen a comparison to the Raider which seems to have shot better.
I nearly made a video featuring that very comparison. I elected not to do so for reasons relating to time and video length. You can still get a pretty good idea by watching this video and my review of the Tank Commander.
Great review of a great pistol. I love mine. Even though it’s a Series 80, it’s hardly noticeable and I wouldn’t discredit it for that reason. Definitely nicer than a Tisas which many people keep plugging in the comments for some reason. Nothing against them, it’s just a higher quality pistol from sig. I got mine from europtics for 1140 and now I’m debating selling my Colt combat commander as it shoots much nicer. We will see though. Love that FDE finish with black hardware and barrel.
@@hrfunk well I’m not an expert and I don’t work for Sig or Tisas so I can’t definitively point out 100% what makes it better quality other than what my experience shows me. Fit and finish are huge. Tisas is a decent brand but I don’t think they put in as much work or detail into fit and finish. De burring, buffing, slide to frame fit, things like that. All of those things cost more money making it better quality at least in my mind. One could argue higher quality is subjective to the user. But you can’t argue that a Wilson Combat Custom Shop isn’t higher quality than a Taurus 1911… I guess it’s all in the eye of the beholder.
For $800 one could get a probably nicer Fusion Firearms, Bul, or Springfield Ronin though without night sight. It would have been interesting Howards if you would have done better w thinner none g10 grips on it...perhaps grip thickness and locking in off center and perhaps trigger reach combined was surprised to see that.
Love the 1911 and was a good review. But I have an off topic question for you and the group. I have a S&W model 57 no dash 8 3/8th and a 57-5 4" Mountain Gun. Can the 4" Mountain Gun barrel be installed on the 57 no dash? Better focused, can you swap a pinned barrel with a non pinned barrel?
I would not change anything on that original model 57. It's value is only going to increase. Lots of the old S+W models are selling for more than the new ones. If there's a problem with the 4", you would be better off getting it fixed and leaving the other one alone.
Id still love to see Howard run through a Bul Armory 1911. If they're good enough to supply stuff to IMI and Mag Research, it should be good. I like the bobtail on this gun. I understand why the slide is cut for internal extractor, they probably use the same slide forging for several models over the years. That external extractor sure kicks them our. I still can't wrap my head around mim parts at that price, especially for a carry gun. If you have the money for a bobtail frame and pvd coatings and the sig brand? You should get forged parts 🤷♂️
Nice pistol HR, Sig definently makes really nice 1911s. I am a fan of the fastback/rounded frame especially for concealment, more manufacturers need to offer that option. How is the trigger? My only "gripe" with Sig 1911s is that they come with series 80 trigger safeties.
The trigger on this one wasn’t bad. It was a little on the heavy side, and there was a tiny amount of creep, but overall it was pretty good for a carry pistol.
Totally unrelated but considering the cost of that Sig... A friend of my brought up a good point. After a justified defensive shooting which would you rather have sitting in an evidence locker for 2-3 years. Your $1300 Sig or your $350 Tisas. I though that was a good point.
Nice gun but it lost me at series 80. It's not hard to get good triggers even with the firing pin block but it's just an extra set of small delicate & unnecessary parts waiting to fail at the wrong time. Good to know Sig uses them but I'll probably give Tisas another look or just be happy with my Ruger Commander.
Kimbers have great triggers although being Series 80. The Series 80 firing pin block is easy to remove, but you run the risk of giving ammo to an over aggressive, anti 2A prosecutor if you use a modified pistol in a DGW.
@joeblowfromidaho3642 the Kimbers I've handled were overpriced & built too tight for reliability. Yes, one had a 2lb trigger but that didn't make it function until it had a long break in. Removal of any safety will absolutely increase your chances of problems in court. Add all that up & Kimbers are range toys at best.
I'm not left handed and don't like junk on a gun I don't use, I won't carry a gun cocked , well at least the sights look set , those are zeroed at 15 yds on sigs.I would bet the trigger is not great and heavy with creep.
Sig traditionally sights their pistols in at 25 yards. Nowhere near a match trigger. I'm glad Howard got a good one. Half the time, they are gritty, and with a ton of creep. Kimber triggers are much better, IME.
@@joeblowfromidaho3642 I'm not commenting on 1911s anymore, I can't stand them no matter how dolled up its just a old stale platform with zero to offer.
@@joeblowfromidaho3642 They have stated their non competition pistols are a 15yd , but they change and polymer may be different, my 226 with factory fixed sig light sights hits point of aim at 25 like you say.
I think the internal extractor milling still being present despite there being an external extractor has to do with the series 80 safety. It’s been a while, but if I recall correctly, on my series 80 Colt the firing pin block is retained in place by the internal extractor, so it was probably easier for them to retain that design and put something in there to retain it the original way rather than design a new way to retain it!
Sig 1911s aren't 1911s. lol. Extractor. Sorry. Had to. lol. Not saying they are bad. Just not 1911 correct. I handled one of these. A buddy has one. If I was getting a 1911 I would not get one of these personally. Right side looks wrong.
I used to own a lot of Sig 1911s, including a Nightmare Carry, which is the same pistol with a different finish. IMO, not worth the money. And yes, all internal parts are, indeed, MIM.
That thing is GORGEOUS!!! But.....I'm gonna have to purchase the Emissary.🤷♂️ I don't care what people say...for me, if it doesn't look good, I ain't buying. Which is one of the reasons why I won't touch a Hi-Point. 🫢..🤢..🤮🤮...🥵
"...in case you want to lock your firearm to your bicycle."😂
He's killing me!"
Hanging targets.
Here’s this packet of propaganda as well. We don’t need that! 😂 dude I was dying when he said that in the beginning.
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Good to see the 1911 still going strong.
You either like them, or you don't. I own two.😊
That ejection pattern was very impressive too. Those casings were f l y i n g
I absolutely love mine. It’s not the lightest but it’s very confidence inspiring in my hands. If I wasn’t so spoiled by the speed and lightness of my Colt Defender I’d carry it more often.
I welcome the extra weight because it virtually eliminates muzzle flip . The Sig is more fun to shoot than my Kimber CDP II Custom .
@@DanRussell-q8s indeed it really shines on the range. My defender is just so much lighter and easier to conceal. It’s also a double tap machine. That 3” 45 is the fastest of all my pistols including my commanders
I love mine.
Excellent review, Howard; thank you!
With several decades of inconsequential experience, I really like Sigs; their quality, design, innovation, durability, accuracy and reliability are (imho) all first rate. In fact, my P226 is currently almost as close to me as my coffee cup. Therefore, the comment that follows is NOT Sig-focused; rather, it concerns .45 ACP barrel lengths.
My first autoloaders were five-inch, .45 ACP, 1911A1s (Colt, two Springfield and a Kimber). That was a good many decades ago, I still own both Springfield’s, and I’m a lifelong devotee of the .45 ACP round. Many years later, I sadly purchased a Glock 36, due to it’s smaller size (3.78 inch barrel) and my foolish hope that it would be concealable and have decent ergonomics. That was the biggest error I ever made in acquiring a handgun.
But a leaned some valuable things with that G36; the most important lesson was - even with Glock polygonal rifling - a 3.78 inch barrel is insufficient to ensure consistent and good JHP expansion . . . with some ammunitions AND at ranges in excess of maybe 15 or 20 yards (approximately).
For this reason, I have a degree of skepticism regarding 230 grain, .45 ACP defensive loads fired from 4.25 (or shorter) barrels. Now to be very clear, my reservations do NOT extend to lighter (e.g., 200 and 185 grain) projectiles. However - and this very well may well be foolish traditionalism - aren’t .45 ACP rounds supposed to have 230 grain 😊projectiles (yeah, I’m aware the Saint John Browning’s original 1911 design was for a 200 grain bullet)?
So, with all this said, the Sig FB looks like a fine firearm (presuming the sight alignment can be enhanced), however\, I would not want to engage a hostile threat at (let’s say) 50 yards, with it stoked with a randomly selected JHP.
Of course, everything in this post is ONLY one fellow’s ill-educated musings.
Thanks Roy. for what it's worth, I prefer the 230 grain loadings too. Anything lighter seems like a compromise to me. I'm not too worried about expansion from a 4 1/4" barrel. Even if the bullet doesn't expand it's still producing a 45 caliber wound channel. Truthfully, when it comes to a 1911, I'm not TOO worried about running it with ball ammo (I know, I know, over-penetration, etc.). But for the greater degree of relaibility, and the aforementioned wound channel, it's a calculated risk.
Well written. I agree with most of what you wrote. However I feel the only real use for a JHP bullet is to mitigate overpenetration. When fired from a handgun there is simply not enough energy in any 9mm, 45ACP, 357, even 10mm, to cause additional damage from a permanent cavity. There is no hydrostatic shock from a firearm until velocities are well above 2k FPS. And a JHP, while the expansion provides a larger wound channel, doesn't expand enough to make a difference in most cases. After all we're still only talking about a couple tenths of an inch at most. It's for this reason I interpret the findings of ballistic testing to fail to show a real difference between most handgun calibers in their ability to stop a bad guy. The only way to stop a bad guy quickly is to break important bones, disconnect their nervous system, or put a hole in their heart/aorta. It's more effective to use the psychological stopping power inherent in all firearms.
Bottom line is that I still use JHP defensive ammo in my carry guns, but it's not for the reasons that are most commonly espoused.
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I largely agree. “Normal” handguns really are marginal instantaneous deadly felony stoppers . . . IF the adversary is determined. Absent a CNS or heart hit, a LOT of catastrophic damage can occur, even if the felon has received repeated eventually-deadly wounds. To illustrate this, during the April, 1986, FBI Miami firefight, Platt was hit a dozen times, but - tragically - before he succumbed he murdered two FBI SA’s and seriously wounded several others. While projectile technology has improved in the last 35+ years, the foregoing truth remains fundamentally unaltered.
Fortunately, a LOT of criminals are psychologically deterred; the mere sight of a firearm often immediately leads to broken contact, not to mention a round fired that misses the intend target. However, sometimes the felon persists, and then accuracy is paramount.
In shorter than 4.25 HST, I believe Punch, and 185 Golden Sabers and Critical Defense are the ones that will expand well. Lucky Gunners tests in less dense clear gel was w 3.64 cw45 . SEALS USED just shy of 4" polygonal barrel hk45c Mark 24s...hk barrels are fast and they supposedly were carrying 185plusP jhps on Bin Laden Raid. LAPD SIS had a lot of shootings with G30s...I don't know if still hyrdashoks that didn't always expand or Winchester jhps that would be interesting to know from coroner reports.
@@roykiefer7713 I agree. The psychological stop is very underrated.
As always, a very good review by you. I understand your reluctance to say anything negative about this firearm without proof. So I will. I saw nothing to justify the rather high price tag other than the name on it.
Something else I didn't notice until I was cleaning this pistol after completing the video; the FDE finish seems to be kind of fragile.
Hr great review as always , you never appear to show a natural bias with 1911 platforms. Just getting into 1911s with a recent colt purchase myself. Stay blessed.
Thank you! Which Colt did you get?
@@hrfunk An o1991 with medallion stag grips, the jewelry store I purchased from stated it didn’t appear used from previous owner. Upon cleaning n inspection appears correct. The price was too good to pass up cheaper than a new Springfield.
@@pauljernigan5125 Good for you. I hope you enjoy it!
Thank you shooting one handed due to a tbi is frustrating at times but I can always enjoy another tack driving review 😆@@hrfunk
Thanks Chief! Great review. I own 5 1911s, one being a full size Sig. It's by far my favorite, and by far the almost the most reliable. In fact it's my main home pistol. Yes, California, so 10 round mags. Yes I'd rather have 10 rounds of .45 than 10 of 9mm. But it's accurate, perhaps two malfunctions including all kinds of hollow point in over 4000 rounds. Personally I think it's the Sig style extractor, but reliability wise it's second only to my higher end Les Baer in which I've had zero malfunctions in about 1500 rounds.
Great review as always, I've been a 1911 collector for many years and actually don't own one of these. Love the way they look, like the idea of the external extractor, and like Sig. BUT, just can't get around the series 80 thing.
Try Smith and Wesson? Similar setup with the big iconic brand and external extractor, but series 70s internals
Enjoyed your channel, very clear, concise and detailed
Thank you!
I do like your evaluation protocol. I have shot 1911s for years. Over the years I noticed a tendency to pull left. I adjusted the rear sight to compensate for it. More recently I purchased a compact 1911, which I haven't owned in several years. I was pulling shots to the left again. Maybe it was my out of practice with that gun or perhaps it was my grip. You aren't the only one who encounters that problem. And Sig makes one of the nicer 1911s out there today. Pricey, but you get what you pay for. Keep up the good work.
Will do. Thanks for watching!
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Good morning, HRFUNK and family. Happy labor day weekend to all you there. Yes, ive ran into that a few times with shooting pistol and their grips panels. Its like my shadow systems MR920L pistol. They say the back strap thats installed on it is the neutral - ( M&P ) type angle thats on it. With me owning a Smith&Wesson M&P9 2.0 metal and having now over 4,000 rounds thru just that one, i know something didn't feel right. My shot placement was, crap. When i changed to thier - LOW - ( 1911 ) style grip back strap on my MR920L. 👌 shot placement was on point. To many people are quick to blame the pistol. Most of the time its something as simple as changing the stock grip setup to taller to your hands. So remember yourself on shadow systems pistols if you ever shoot one. If your having issues with the - neutral - ( M&P ) style back strap. Change to the - LOW - ( 1911 ) style back strap. 👌. Then youll be set
Thanks! I tend to cycle through backstraps/grip inserts to find the ones that work best for me. Since the Scorpion Carry was loaned to me, I didn't want to start changing things on it for this video.
As usual, an excellent review.
I like SIG 1911s, but the $1,200 price it too much for a Cerakoted gun.
Thank you!
It is not cerakoted. It is PVD.
That finish also seems to be somewhat fragile. I noticed that while cleaning the pistol after completing the video.
Thanks for doing this review and all of your up close details! I've been on the lookout for one of these in my area, but as a Southpaw I certainly need to pay a little more attention to the ambi thumb safety for my needs. 🇺🇲
I wonder how you would like this safety arrangement? It seems to have been set up for a right-handed shooter who might have an occasional need to disengage the safety with the left hand.
@@hrfunk That's what I'm wondering: Bigger right side levers work good for lefties, but sometimes get swept off w/left-handed, body side carry. This smaller lever may help to avoid that, but it may also be harder to engage/disengage for regular use. I would need some trigger time to confirm. 👍
Several months ago I picked up a very nice 45ACP Sig Scorpion 1911, not the Emperor Scorpion, but the very similar model that predated it. It's a full size 5" barrel, very nicely finished, very well made, solid pistol. At 10 yards I am able to keep 1" groups with S&B target ammo. The sights are wonderful, still having most of the original tritium brightness to them, and the trigger is excellent. I measured the pull weight on a Wheeler digital gauge at an average of 3 lbs 12 oz across five pulls. If it wasn't such a heavy pistol it would be a fantastic carry gun, but it does make for a very nice home defense gun, or just a range toy. Your review seems to be spot on with my experience with the earlier model with it being a very solid and well built gun. Although I can't account for the leftward bullet impact drift you are having.
I only mention this because it has inspired me to perhaps pick up the Emperor Scorpion Carry Fastback, as if I need yet ANOTHER carry gun. 🤣 Anyway, you and I seem to find similar things important, so I value your reviews. Thank you for taking the time to post these.
By the way, one thing that I don't recall you mentioning is the proprietary slide profile that Sig used on most of their 1911 line. It makes it a bit more of a chore to find a holster. Does the Emperor Scorpion Carry have that profile as well?
Yes it does. You’re right, I should have mentioned that. Thanks for watching!
THANKS for mentioning the slide profile! I did not know that about the SIGs. I already have a lot of money in "Colt" holsters and I was assuming that this SIG would , of course, fit in them.
@@frankhinkle5772 I've made my leather 1911 holsters fit the Sig without much of an issue. I just dampen the leather with tap water, wrap the Sig in wax paper, then jam it in the holster and let it dry 24 hrs. The Sig is very close to the standard profile so it doesn't take much. Don't be afraid of getting the leather too wet. Once it dries it will be fine. Just avoid oiling it or it will lose it's form and stretch out. Good quality leather doesn't need to be oiled, just cleaned with saddle soap when it gets dirty.
I've found that my IWB leather holsters are still quite usable with the standard "Colt" profile even after being adjusted to fit the Sig. They are a bit loose but not enough to matter. My gun belt keeps things tight. I'm not sure I'd do the same thing with a open top leather OWB holster unless you had at least a snap retention on it.
If you have kydex holsters you can do something similar using a heat gun or perhaps a hair dryer. Gently heat the kydex and work the gun in to the holster. Don't over heat the kydex or it will lose detail. Once the gun is in place then push the soft kydex into place with your fingers around the gun to where it fits well. Again, don't over heat it. Go slow.
Hope this helps.🙂
Looked at the Full Size variant yesterday at a High End Range/Retailer..shy of $1500.00 before taxes.
I'm a Sig Fan.. a 1911 Fanatic but a few things I cannot gravitate to. Not big on Commander or Compact 1911's as traditionally the reliability drops off with a size decrease. Your mileage may vary?
Can't get but I'm willing to try the Sig 1911's with an External Extractor.
The lack of an Optic Rail I find surprising , with all the other little modern upgrades involved.
I'm going to withhold judgement on Hammer till more facts are available as to its method of manufacture.
Nice review.
Thank you!
My local gun store has four in stock! They don’t seem to be selling because the price is much higher than recommended.
They are a bit pricey.
Great video HR Have a blessed and safe Holiday weekend
Thank you! You too!
As far as the aim point being left, check the barrel for being centered. Sometimes production 1911 have the barrel slightly off center to the left.
Completely off topic . . . please forgive me Howard. For years I have wanted an approximately 3.7 inch barrel, 9x19, as my Summer (perhaps, Winter, too) EDC. This size-class (imho) is a good compromise size between the (~3 inch barrel) micro compacts and the (~4 inch barrel) compacts. Earlier today, and after months of thinking and debating, I found a very good deal on a CZ P-07. I selected this autoloader due to CZ’s outstanding - and proven - ergonomics, durability, accuracy, reliability, and quality, plenty of capacity, decent sights, multiple back straps, interchangeable de-cocker / safety, Omega trigger, and my preference for traditional DA / SA / hammer fired semiautomatic designs. I’m certainly into trying to hijack this video, but I wanted to share this news.
Good for you Roy! I’ve handled the P07s, but I’ve never shot one. Please let me know what you think of it.
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I’ll do so and, of course, you are always welcome to borrow any firearm I have.
CZ P-07, PCR, and P-01 are superb guns. There are some great deals out there right now.
Turn your left foot to the right a bit and it should take care of that left pull . It doesn't take a lot . I use to have the same problem and a Police Instructor told me this because your shoulders will follow your left foot if you are right handed .
Well might not be your fault. I find that I also hitting left of center with my sig 1911 scorpion. Didn’t seem to have that problem with my other 1911’s. I attempted to drift my rear sight after removing the set screw and using a sight pusher. Very difficult so I stopped before I might damage the weapon. So I’ll change my aim point slightly and try a different grip paying strict attention to grip and movement of my fire hand fingers to make sure that they don’t change on the squeeze and shoot.
Always a good saturday when you post and if its a 1911 whats not to loke
I've heard a lot of good thing about the Sig 1911's. I may get myself on in the future.
I tend to hit high and to the left with any pistol since I tend to squeeze the gun too hard. You are a great shot its the grips.
I have an Iver Johnson and Smith and Wesson 1911s. I think if I do get another it will be a Tisas. Primarily based on price vs. quality.
the "internal" extractor milling doesnt go all the way down the slide. Its there just to hold the series 80 trigger block into place. And I noticed the same tendency to pull to the left on presentation with it as well. Thought something was odd when I shot mine for the first time last week. Might try swapping the G2 grips with some GI grips I have in the parts box and see how it handles afterwards.
Let me know how that works for you.
HR, my carry is a Sug 1911 tuned up by the factory. Mine has a great trigger at just about 4 lb. I can say it is my favorite 1911. Good topic. Semper Fi.
Semper Fi! That sounds like a great pistol!
Great and candid review thank you sir. Love the targets too.
Thanks for that test. I am in the market for a new carry pistol in that "Commander" model. I'll look at the SIG line, but I'm not feeling it with your review of this particular pistol.
I've read that Sig, like Kimber, originally avoided using the MIM process on all or most of their parts (opinions vary) when they first started making 1911ish pistols, but soon switched to MIM to keep costs down. Supposedly, the affected parts have included (at one point or another) their slide stop, hammer, sear, disconnector, mag catch, grip safety, thumb safety, and firing pin. Whatever the facts, at least the S&W 39 style curved butt looks better than the bobbed slant cut of so many other manufacturers.
If the intent was to keep the price down, that effort seems to have failed.
@@hrfunk I agree. I have no intention of buying one. I think the Dan Wesson is a better built pistol. Heck, I think some of the Turkish 1911s can beat the Sig.
@@Paladin1873 Agreed that DW is a better pistol than the Sig 1911, in that the DW does not use any MIM parts. They are, however, very overpriced for a production gun (no matter what they advertise, they are production guns, feel free to ignore the BS claims of "hand fitting"). You can almost buy a Les Baer for the price of a DW. You're better off waiting and saving the extra few hundred dollars for the Baer, IMO.
@@joeblowfromidaho3642 We're not comparing top tier guns. The typical Baer, Wilson, or Brown is about a grand more than a comparably featured Dan Wesson, assuming you can find the model you want. Availability is very spotty. If you see any of them for a few hundred dollars more than a Wesson, then I suggest you snap it up. There are even higher grade pistols from outfits such s Guncrafter. And there's one chap who hand builds every part. If that's your cup of tea, go for it.
@@Paladin1873 Wilson or Brown (which I didn't mention) yes. Baer? No. They only recently went up to around $2600-$2700. DWs have reached up to $2200 or more. Les Baer isn't in the same league as Wilson Combat.
Hi HR the internal extractor look on the scorpion, that part holds the firing pin drop saftey.
Thanks. Someone else mentioned that too.
Regarding the internal extractor channel: It doesn’t actually go all the way through like a true internal extractor channel. The plug is there only to keep the Series 80 components in place, and if you remove it, you’ll see that the channel isn’t cut all the way through. Does help keep the classic aesthetics a bit more even with the external extractor.
As for the external extractor itself, a replacement extractor doesn’t require as much fitting and tuning to get right than an internal extractor, so it’s easier to replace. I did fire my custom 1911, of which I took the slide off my Sig 1911, so much that the extractor wore out and I just dropped in an EGW replacement extractor and coil spring and it worked.
Thanks for the info. I’ve replaced both types of extractors. I don’t think either one is particularly difficult. The internal version doesn’t require driving a pin out/in, but as you mentioned, it might need a little tuning.
@@hrfunk Yeah. The need for an additional pin and spring for external extractors is why I think the military requested the external extractor (which were on Browning’s previous prototypes during the 11 year development of the 1911) to an internal one so there’s less small parts involved.
But for me, driving out a pin requires a lot less finesse than tuning an internal extractor, so at this point I prefer that.
Nice review HR. Sig makes very liberal use of MIM parts in all of their newer guns, especially the 1911s, but the only complaint I've heard concerning those parts is that for what they cost people expect 'better' components, as was echoed in this review.
that's really my thoughts on the matter. As I stated, I'm not really opposed to the use of MIM parts (so long as they are made properly), but for the asking price of the Sig 1911's, I would expect forged parts. If Sig wants to use MIM parts, that's fine, but I think their prices should be more in line with other manufactures who do so.
Sig has followed FN and to many others to list on prices , this is a purpose built and ego pistol IMO thanks HR , Why wasn’t defensive HP ammunition used ?
I should have probably run some HP's through it, but I didn't have many on hand. I just ran the ball ammo since I had more of that.
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With large mitts I would've thought you would've had no issues with the grips. I have G10's but they are thins and they are great but I have small hands.
These were pretty beefy. It’s also possible the bobbed grip frame was throwing me off. Whatever the case, it was definitely me and not the pistol.
Good morning HR. If that's a mim hammer it's definitely a turn off for me. I can live with some parts like grip safety or main spring housing. But I want forged hardened sear engagement surfaces. Do you think the bobtail frame may have contributed to shooting to the left? I would be interested to see how a similar bobtail Tisas at half the price compares. I bet it would shoot more than half as well.😂 Have a good time at HOP and act celebritorial. Enjoy the holiday weekend.
Thanks John! I don't have the first clue as to how to act "Celebritorial!" I really want to get one of the Tisas Stingray pistols to evaluate. They look great, and as you said, for the price they might just be a real sleeper.
@@hrfunk About six months ago I discovered Tisas. Since then I have purchased four different models (B9R, B45, Stingray, 1911A1) and shot them all extensively - over 1k rounds per gun (except for the 1911A1, that is only about 400 rounds so far) with a variety of ammo including JHPs of different brands, as well as Wilson, McCormick, Sig, Mecgar, and 8, 9, and 10 round factory magazines, depending on the caliber.
To date, the ONLY failures I had, across all four pistols, were in the Stingray using 124 grain Speed Gold Dots. And that was only two failures to feed with the second magazine ever fired through that gun. Since then I have put another 100ish rounds of Gold Dots through it with no further issues. Combined that with the flawless performance of many hundreds of S&B, Federal HST, and a couple other brands, I have no reservations of carrying this pistol. The trigger is acceptable, the action is smooth, the recoil impulse is insignificant, the accuracy is acceptable, the sights are good, it conceals well, etc. It's a fine weapon. The only downside is that which it shares in common with all 1911 platforms, and that is the limited mag capacity.
My experience with Tisas is that it is an exceptionally good value with no headaches, and I like there are no MIM parts in them - 100% forged parts. I have had much better luck with Tisas than I had with my recently acquired Springfield Ronin 10mm. It just returned yesterday from a seven week visit to the factory for several major issues, and it has a finish problem that I'm not going to worry about. I am looking forward to shooting it soon.
@@BlakgunI missed out on a used Ronin 10 mm on the website of a local shop a while ago. Ended up getting a Tisas D10 instead. I think I'm lucky it worked out that way. On the first magazine of Hornady XTPs the second round needed a nudge with my thumb to go into battery. Since then it's functioned flawlessly with FMJ and HP ammo. It's features and performance are way over it's price point. Hope your Ronin came back with the problems fixed and it works Ok for you.
@@johnherr3579 Sounds like you have a nice pistol there! I was looking hard at the D10 but went with the Ronin instead, so that's a funny coincidence. If built well, once you get past the first break in period they are fantastic guns. The 10mm is pretty much a do-it-all cartridge. It sees applications from Alaska wilderness bear repellent to medium game hunting, home defense and target shooting. Most factory loadings are fairly weak, but heavy loads are not hard to find and work well for defense purposes against 2 and 4 legged critters. I have a few 1911s in 10mm as well as a Sig P220 in 10mm. That Sig is a fantastic pistol by the way. It's expensive, but nice to have.
Thank you for the well wishes on the Ronin. I really want to like that pistol so I'm looking forward to seeing how it performs after being serviced. It came back from the factory dirty as can be, like they put a hundred rounds through it, so I cleaned it and checked it out. So far, so good. The chamber was very tight and I was unable to extract Underwood ammo even before firing it. They reamed and polished the chamber and that seems to be fixed. The ramp was recut and polished and the extractor was tuned, so the feeding issues are hopefully fixed. The barrel was refitted and the slide stop was tuned. They also did something to the trigger as it seems to be more smooth and breaks clean just shy of 4 lbs. It was 5 lbs when I sent it off. I have high hopes! :)
Nightmare Carry commander 1911 in .357 SIG and the rounded butt night sights a favorite. Very reliable and accurate. Have been intrigued with this cartridge plus favor the 1911.
What's worse? Your Springfield Ronin's plastic trigger? Or Sig's MIM looking hammer? I think your bottom basement Tisas outshines them both in the quality dept. Good luck with that PVD finish. Does the 4.2"bbl. make its recoil spring replacement, a Sig proprietary part? Sig has Checkmate make their 1911 mags for them.
Probably. The recoil spring is a flat coil version. I don’t know if a standard round coil spring will work.
Excellent premier
Thank you!
MIM parts? I know you thought the hammer was, but what about the rest? Great review by the way!
I didn’t do a complete disassembly of this pistol, but if I had, I suspect I would have fount even more MIM parts.
Interesting the way that pistol shot left. You could the right lung up again if you were short on targets, lol. Maybe some slimmer grips? Lok makes nice grips. I've got a set of Magpuls on my Sig 1911 - great texture, slim, and not expensive. Nice to see the pupper out with you. And that older guy looked like a fun dude, too. Take care, HR.
Thank you!
Very Nice !!
Your reviews are by far my favorite. All things that matter and none of the nonsense. I really don't care if it can hit at 100 yards, shoot upside down or if it's a race gun. I do love to see if it's a tack drive though. Sig Sauer is my favorite company. I own several, but I don't limit myself to one brand. Would like to have seen a comparison to the Raider which seems to have shot better.
Thanks Ray. That comparison would probably be a little unfair since the Raider has a longer sight radius.
@@hrfunk Then perhaps the Tank Commander.
I nearly made a video featuring that very comparison. I elected not to do so for reasons relating to time and video length. You can still get a pretty good idea by watching this video and my review of the Tank Commander.
@@hrfunkYes, I enjoyed that video.
Good review, HR. Thank you.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great review! Thanks.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great review of a great pistol. I love mine. Even though it’s a Series 80, it’s hardly noticeable and I wouldn’t discredit it for that reason. Definitely nicer than a Tisas which many people keep plugging in the comments for some reason. Nothing against them, it’s just a higher quality pistol from sig. I got mine from europtics for 1140 and now I’m debating selling my Colt combat commander as it shoots much nicer. We will see though. Love that FDE finish with black hardware and barrel.
I'm glad you like your Sig, but I'm curious. What makes it (them) higher quality than Tisas 1911s?
@@hrfunk well I’m not an expert and I don’t work for Sig or Tisas so I can’t definitively point out 100% what makes it better quality other than what my experience shows me. Fit and finish are huge. Tisas is a decent brand but I don’t think they put in as much work or detail into fit and finish. De burring, buffing, slide to frame fit, things like that. All of those things cost more money making it better quality at least in my mind. One could argue higher quality is subjective to the user. But you can’t argue that a Wilson Combat Custom Shop isn’t higher quality than a Taurus 1911… I guess it’s all in the eye of the beholder.
For $800 one could get a probably nicer Fusion Firearms, Bul, or Springfield Ronin though without night sight. It would have been interesting Howards if you would have done better w thinner none g10 grips on it...perhaps grip thickness and locking in off center and perhaps trigger reach combined was surprised to see that.
It’s hard to say. My favorite 1911 set up is the A1 style with the short trigger and the arched MSH. This one was considerably different.
👍👍Thanks for the review, well done as always
Thank you!
Tell the guy at the end we said hi back 😂😂
Ha! He's a retired cop. I used to work with him. I'll be sure to tell him "something" when I see him again.
Love the 1911 and was a good review. But I have an off topic question for you and the group.
I have a S&W model 57 no dash 8 3/8th and a 57-5 4" Mountain Gun.
Can the 4" Mountain Gun barrel be installed on the 57 no dash?
Better focused, can you swap a pinned barrel with a non pinned barrel?
The short answer is yes, but if I were you, I wouldn’t alter either one of those revolvers.
I would not change anything on that original model 57. It's value is only going to increase. Lots of the old S+W models are selling for more than the new ones. If there's a problem with the 4", you would be better off getting it fixed and leaving the other one alone.
@@johnherr3579 I know I know.
Just hate that internal firing pin but love the mountain gun.....grrrrrrr
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@@hrfunk thanks and I agree.
I’ve never owned any Sig pistols. They are nice. This 1911 especially. I believe their magazines are made by MecGar?
Maybe, but there was nothing to indicate they were.
For the money no under side rail? Not optic cut? What up with that? When you can get Commander style pistols with both those for less.
Id still love to see Howard run through a Bul Armory 1911. If they're good enough to supply stuff to IMI and Mag Research, it should be good.
I like the bobtail on this gun. I understand why the slide is cut for internal extractor, they probably use the same slide forging for several models over the years. That external extractor sure kicks them our.
I still can't wrap my head around mim parts at that price, especially for a carry gun. If you have the money for a bobtail frame and pvd coatings and the sig brand? You should get forged parts 🤷♂️
I agree. If I get the chance to try out a Bul Armory pistol, you’ll see it here.
Nice pistol HR, Sig definently makes really nice 1911s.
I am a fan of the fastback/rounded frame especially for concealment, more manufacturers need to offer that option.
How is the trigger?
My only "gripe" with Sig 1911s is that they come with series 80 trigger safeties.
Interesting. My Sig 1911 full size, about 2 years old does indeed have the series 80 firing pin safety.
The trigger on this one wasn’t bad. It was a little on the heavy side, and there was a tiny amount of creep, but overall it was pretty good for a carry pistol.
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Yep, just looked on Sig Talk website, they do indeed have series 80 firing pin safeties. Glad my Dan Wesson Specialist does not.
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Once it has more round through it, as you know it will break in.
Very nice classic lines on that pistol. Oh, yeah, be sure to say hi to that guy who waved at us.😁
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Totally unrelated but considering the cost of that Sig... A friend of my brought up a good point. After a justified defensive shooting which would you rather have sitting in an evidence locker for 2-3 years. Your $1300 Sig or your $350 Tisas. I though that was a good point.
I've actually selected certain handguns that I carry based upon that criteria.
@@hrfunkI have started to.
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I handled one of these in a store once. I'm curious what HR prefers between the Scorpion and the Ronin, after shooting both?
I think I prefer the Scorpion, but for the difference in price I would expect to.
You got a bicycle lock ? Mine came with a swinging target that looked just like it.
It’s a multi-purpose accessory.
Hello HR. Good looking gun. For the money it better shoot as good as it looks.😂
Hope your daughter weathered the storm OK.
Yep. I checked on her yesterday. She got wet. That was all. Thanks for asking John.
Ooooh Yea Another 1911 Esque Pistol 🔫😮😮😮😊
Nice gun but it lost me at series 80. It's not hard to get good triggers even with the firing pin block but it's just an extra set of small delicate & unnecessary parts waiting to fail at the wrong time. Good to know Sig uses them but I'll probably give Tisas another look or just be happy with my Ruger Commander.
Kimbers have great triggers although being Series 80. The Series 80 firing pin block is easy to remove, but you run the risk of giving ammo to an over aggressive, anti 2A prosecutor if you use a modified pistol in a DGW.
@joeblowfromidaho3642 the Kimbers I've handled were overpriced & built too tight for reliability. Yes, one had a 2lb trigger but that didn't make it function until it had a long break in. Removal of any safety will absolutely increase your chances of problems in court. Add all that up & Kimbers are range toys at best.
Well...mine stopped working after 2 1/2 mags. Hammer is locked back and will nit fall. I know 1 example ..but not happy.
Would love to get this in California, maybe some day.
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@@DinoNucci would love to but my Vietnamese wife won’t leave Little Saigon 😞
I'm not left handed and don't like junk on a gun I don't use, I won't carry a gun cocked , well at least the sights look set , those are zeroed at 15 yds on sigs.I would bet the trigger is not great and heavy with creep.
The trigger isn't bad for a carry gun. It's not a match trigger.
Sig traditionally sights their pistols in at 25 yards. Nowhere near a match trigger. I'm glad Howard got a good one. Half the time, they are gritty, and with a ton of creep. Kimber triggers are much better, IME.
@@joeblowfromidaho3642 I'm not commenting on 1911s anymore, I can't stand them no matter how dolled up its just a old stale platform with zero to offer.
More practice avoiding run-on sentences and less commenting for you.
@@joeblowfromidaho3642 They have stated their non competition pistols are a 15yd , but they change and polymer may be different, my 226 with factory fixed sig light sights hits point of aim at 25 like you say.
I am in-between this pistol, and the S&W 1911SC.. any advice?
I have a S&W 1911PD, and I like it better than the Sig. It doesn’t have the Bob-tail grip profile, but that doesn’t bother me.
Love mine.
very nice review
Thank you!
A little demonetization help.
Thanks Ray!!!
@@hrfunk You're very welcome
Looks cool, but I'll stick with my Tisas US Army 1911 45.
I think the internal extractor milling still being present despite there being an external extractor has to do with the series 80 safety. It’s been a while, but if I recall correctly, on my series 80 Colt the firing pin block is retained in place by the internal extractor, so it was probably easier for them to retain that design and put something in there to retain it the original way rather than design a new way to retain it!
Thanks for the info!
The 8rd mag is ridiculous… it defeats the purpose of carry bevel…..7rd mag would look cleaner and not print so bad. 😊
And my wife said I was the only weirdo that poses my GI Joe's for display.
Wives! They just don't get it!
Where are the credits with the name of your co-star? Oh, and who’s dog?
Sig 1911’s will not fit in standard 1911 holsters either. Slides are wider.
It’s my wife’s new dog. The costar is an old coworker and his wife.
@@hrfunk Did you try that pistol in an AFH 1911 holster?
@@hrfunk You’re not a fan of the bobtail either, right?
Alot like my 4”emp ccc..
That thing looks cheap compared to my XO tac from 2011, and it was cheaper price wise. Also came with 3 magazines and a holster.
Is that your dog?
No.He’s my wife’s dog.
Photobombers on the firing line! LOL!
Lol @ bicycle lock 😂
The hammer and trigger look cheap. 80 series is definately a no go. Sorry no a handgun I'd buy.
Smith and Wesson safety are the same...
Are you referring to their 1911s, the M&P series, or their older metal-frame pistols?
Just to much like my Rock Island
Sig 1911s aren't 1911s. lol. Extractor. Sorry. Had to. lol. Not saying they are bad. Just not 1911 correct. I handled one of these. A buddy has one. If I was getting a 1911 I would not get one of these personally. Right side looks wrong.
I have a S&W with the same extractor set-up. It's a great shooting pistol so I tend to ignore its deformity.
How long have you been speaking English?
Had one and it was hot garbage
If I may ask, what was worng with it?
I used to own a lot of Sig 1911s, including a Nightmare Carry, which is the same pistol with a different finish. IMO, not worth the money. And yes, all internal parts are, indeed, MIM.
Thanks for the info Joe!
That thing is GORGEOUS!!! But.....I'm gonna have to purchase the Emissary.🤷♂️ I don't care what people say...for me, if it doesn't look good, I ain't buying. Which is one of the reasons why I won't touch a Hi-Point.
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Excellent review!...Thanks