Ep. 291 | Is the Glock the Perfect Pistol?
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2023
- The Glock, truly revolutionary at its inception and iconic in the pistol space. The most widely used pistol by law enforcement professionals and often the choice of military professionals as well. Features questioned by some originally, are celebrated by users and emulated by the industry today. Is it the perfect pistol? Mark Boardman, Jim Hamilton, and Ryan Muckenhirn ask themselves this very question.
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Gaston Glock died today. Came back to rewatch.
RIP Mr Glock. Thank you for changing the firearm landscape.
Ryan never fails to impress me with his eminent practicality. His love of vanilla guns and cartridges, for me, highlights the experience over the gear.
I still rock the Gen 2 Glock 17 I bought when I turned 21 in 1991. Hits the range regularly. One of the best purchases in my lifetime and it’ll probably be handed down the line when I’m gone.
@@VaughnRondo I’ve bought extra barrels, springs, and a slide over the years, but the oem factory parts still work great.
Make surecyou get a few complete sets of parts and an extra barrel or 3 to pass along with it cuz it might not be available for your grandson when he is your age.
@@Darthdoodoo Not married, it I’ve got enough parts to build another 17 and then some.
This is meant as a compliment, Ryan is an enigma as well as an encyclopedia. If I were to put down money on what he would carry it would have been a wheel gun. With his more classic taste in long arms I have anticipated a model 36 chiefs special. Glocks just work and their simplicity is their beauty to me.
The Glock created the new standard by which every pistol is now measured. All the great pistols that we have today is because of the Glock.
I agree, I think all the other striker fired designs we have today may have some other features, but they had to in order to draw away customers. The other designs are largely do to attempts to make a "Glock" while avoiding patent infringement.
H&K made polymer pistols first. They also made striker fired pistols before Glick.
Bullshit
@@Lexicologist1971H&K 😍
Lol no
First firearm I purchased for myself was a G17 Gen 3. One of my best purchases
I have a gen 4 32 in 357 sig and I love it! It's drops hogs quick and works way better on hogs than 9mm +p
I'm a Glock fan for life. The ease of complete breakdown, parts availability, low maintenance, accurate and high reliability make Glock a winner. Glock keeps it simple for a reason. But carry and train with what is best for you.
For Jim, Glock is analogous to the LS motor.
Parts are ubiquitous, reliability is well known - and it’s a platform you can tinker to your hearts content with.
It does what 99% of people need it to do out of the box, every time.
For reference, it was my first firearm purchase, a Glock 45.
Some will disagree, but it is more of a Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge thing to me. All of them are good. Find the pistol you like and PRACTICE often. I am heavy into Glock, but admit that In a self defense or woods defense situation, the lack of reflexive shooting skill will be your biggest weakness and not the brand of pistol. Glock, Sig, S&W. Lots of great options out there.
Love the conversation in this one! How about a similar discussion on large frame revolvers for hunting and bear defense?
I my self poo-pooed Glock until I bought a gently used 36 Gen 3 for a great price....after shooting it and carrying it, I became a Glock guy. I and my wife now have 43X's. I bought her a 27 first and it was quite a hand full for her shooting wise. I would take her to the range and if she shot two magazines that would be great. I bought her the 43X, and she shot 80 rounds first time out. I shot it, and had to get myself one, now my EDC. 9mm ammo has come so far from a defensive standpoint that I don't feel I absolutely need a 45 ACP anymore. I figure if everyone else is chasing Glock with a striker fired pistol, why not stick with the one that has been around for 40 years, "better" is subjective. Being a Gunsmith however, I have worked over every Glock I have owned, needed or not. Keep up the Great Work Guys.
Back when 40 didn't suck ass?
Ammo hasn't gotten much better. It's all memes and sales pitches. What's winning gun fights is easier controllability due to less recoil and higher capacity. Increasing the likelihood of hitting vitals.
New Request: Please interview the guys at Alamo Precision here in Hurst (Ft. Worth, TX). They make phenomenal rifles, and they've been winning matches left and right!
Glocks just work!! I’m a M&P guy myself but I own some Glocks and they’re fine pistols, I just prefer my 9-c and Shield Plus for EDC.
I am thoroughly shocked that Ryan is such an advocate of Glock. I think you could have had a running bet to guess his carry gun like the soliders did for Captain Miller's peacetime occupation in Saving Private Ryan, and no one would have been able to guess that it would have been Glock. I would have guessed a 1911 officer frame or a Smith and Wesson 19, 686, or 586.
I was 100% with this, I figured Jim for a Glock 43 or 19 or maybe even the 26, and Ryan would definitely have something with a metal frame
That or a muzzle loading pistol 😹😹😹
I'd love to hear more about glock-esque pistols. I started with a Stoeger STR-9 and love shooting it. Phenomenal reliability and optic-ready out of the box. I'm now looking at a Canik for the next 9.
I missed you Jim
Ryan, it might be worth the $ to try a G48 holster with your G43x, to correct the slide tipping out over your belt. Even if you are using a foam wedge, the extra length will allow to tuck the top of the slide more while pushing into your pelvis with less pressure. edit: because it it farther away from the fulcrum point of your belt.
Great discussion!!!
The Meta Tactical Apex chassis is a neat solution to the SBR / pistol problem. It comes with a 16" barrel that drops in, but maintains a relatively small footprint with the bullpup design.
An in-depth review of the S&W M&P line and it's derivatives, would be appreciated. Maybe a comparison of it to Glocks as well or while you're at it.
I concur 😅
Glocks became ubiquitous and revolutionized the industry because they are cheap, reliable, and light to carry, not because of any merits of the gun itself. Any other steel-framed gun is going to cost 2 to 6 times as much as a new Glock and easily be twice as heavy, whether it is a 1911/2011, CZ 75, Sig P226, revolver, etc. Government, military, and police departments likely adopted Glocks to cut costs and for reliability in various areas of operations. Once Glocks became so common and popular, their ubiquitousness further increased their popularity due to interchangeable parts - e.g. if you're on the battlefield, having compatible magazines with your team or other multi-national, multi-jurisdiction, or cross-departmental teams is useful. Their lightness is particularly useful, too, when you're carrying 40+ pounds of gear, body armor, a rifle, etc. With that being said, Glock owners face steep diminishing returns for trying to increase their performance, and they are nowhere near as fun to shoot as 1911/2011 or CZ 75 platforms.
To use a car analogy, Glocks are like the Toyota Corollas of the car world. They are cheap and reliable, easy to maintain, and have tons of OEM and aftermarket support because of their popularity. But, the driving experience itself will never be as fun as, say, a Honda Civic Type R or Subaru Impreza STI - both of which will typically cost twice as much a Corolla and offer way better performance.
I would say Glocks are "The Most Popular Pistol" or "The Best Budget Pistol" or "The Best Pistol for Beginners or First Time Gun Owners." But, "The Best Pistol Ever?" Nope. The title of this episode should have been "Glocks, The Hardest Pistol Not To Recommend." 😂
I think the perfect pistol is the CZ 75 platform.
Corolla or Honda accord I'll accept... Hahahah it's the ak47 of pistols..
Glocks grip angle, despite not being liked by many, forces you to lock your wrists which helps with recoil control. It also has a very low bore axis further helping with recoil control. There's plenty of competitive shooters at a high level using Glocks so it's not like Glocks can't run. A Toyota Corolla could never compete against a race car. But there are people winning matches with pretty much stock Glocks so that's an unfair comparison.
Not to mention that it's the simplest gun to takedown and detail strip completely. For competitive shooters or those who work with guns, that is a god send being able to completely clean your gun in a few minutes after putting thousands of rounds through them or severely exposing it to the elements. Only thing I don't like about Glocks is their front sight post installation. I'd much prefer it if it was dovetailed.
Well said.
6:40 he mention Walther. BIG FAN
The HK LEM trigger system (Similar system found in the Daewoo DP51) is objectively better than any striker fired system. You should seriously look into it.
Here's some objectivity for you. No one has ever won any kind of shooting competition ever with a HK LEM trigger. Traditional DA/SAs have won, like CZs and Berettas, Single Actions have won, like 1911 and 2011s, and striker fired pistols have won. All the best military units have adopted anything from DA/SA to strikers but not anything resembling LEM. The LEM trigger is just an answer in search of a problem. In the end, after the LEM mod you basically have the equivalent of Glock with a longer trigger pull. If one would just learn the initial DA trigger pull (like all the pros do) then you wouldn't feel the need to go through some overly complicated (and ironically simplified) trigger system to 'shoot well'.
Great podcast. Hard to beat the glock as a no frills workhorse.
Shooting competition on a weekly basis is a little excessive and kinda a brute force approach to getting better. I know guys who never miss a Saturday and they're eternally stuck in B. While some dudes dry fire correctly and quickly jump through A and M.
I love y’all conversation
I think I'm with Jim on this one. The Glock is a great pistol, and is completely worthy of being considered the modern standard, but I don't think it's perfect.
That said, thanks to several generations of refinement, I do think at this point there are only two minor things that keep out from "perfection" (other than aesthetics, obviously). The trigger is one; there's a reason that the first thing compared with every new striker fired pistol and the Glock is the trigger. This is slightly offset by Glock's having by far the best aftermarket support of any modern pistol on the market, including triggers, but a competitive trigger out of the box would be nice.
The second seems trivial, but I think is a bigger issue than many realise and is, I think, the main reason the Sig P320 beat the 19X in the recent US Army service pistol competition: you need to pull the trigger to disassemble it. This might not seem like an issue, but literally dozens (if not hundreds) of service people injure themselves or others every year from negligent discharges while disassembling their Glocks every year.
I think you guys were referencing the 180MB CD-ROM (regular sized ones are 650-700MB) for the Game Cube and for general use as well (kind of a novelty, but big in convention software distribution for a while), but MiniDisc was a separate Sony thing with a similar sized disk inside a square-ish container.
This was an hour of "why doesn't Glock need to innovate" and dismissed when pressured more about it.
They do have 16 inch barrel thats part of conversation kit that replaces the stock barrel so you dont have to sbr or anything just swap the barrel and put it in the conversion housing
The one thing I think Glock still has going for it is size and caliber variance. Everything from a subcompact to a 6" longslide, slim designs available, and most sizes in multiple chamberings, all with roughly similar feel, trigger pull, same takedown, grip, etc.
Other brands have models that compete in one size or another, in one chambering or another, but not against every size with as many chamberings per size as Glock.
Yeah, they could go steel sights, or this or that, slide cuts, and whatnot, but as it stands, they still have a pretty good hold on everything even without all the amenities, and anyone/everyone can upgrade every part of the glock with nothing more intensive than using a punch on some pins, not that you need to because they just run.
Ok, Jim might hate 1911s and Glocks but his opinion on Corvettes is 100% spot on...nail on the head...so he is good in my book.
The H&K VP70Z was the first polymer pistol I know of, and the simplest pistol I have ever taken down to clean. Also the longest travel of trigger pull I have seen. Lol
Who can have just one pistol? Glock is a great weapon, but there are so many must haves! Beretta, CZ, Colt, Kimber, S.A., and many more!
Exactly. I say get them all.
Unless you're a collector, that's a low intelligence and consumerist mentality that the rich elite are counting on, regarding the modern day "middle" class.
Aww hell yeah, 9x25 Dillon finally mentioned!
First firearm purchase was a Gen2 Glock 19.. Still have it and many others since..I think we need another episode on why Ryan doesn't wear shorts.. I have horrible legs and probably shouldn't wear them but I wear shorts 24/7 365 unless the occasion dictates pants.
Bought a gen 5 19 non-MOS as my carry pistol a year ago and modified it a bunch and was never quite happy with it so traded it in on a Springfield Hellcat Pro and couldn't be happier with the new gun, far more comfortable and almost as shootable while being much slimmer
You think the hellcat pro is as shootable as the 19? I can't get over how snappy it is with the light weight. I'm a smaller dude though so maybe it's just me.
I love my 19 and 43x. I don’t understand why they can’t offer a better factory sight. Also like the drop in Timneys for them
Give the oem Glock performance trigger a try. Much better and it's made by Glock.
I would not recommend switching out any internals on a Glock. It can only make it less reliable
@@waholoopesorry74 It's an OEM Glock trigger. look it up.
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Correct.
Nintendo Game Cube used a small disc for their games.
Circa Sony PlayStation 2 ish? After Nintendo 64, before PS3 and Xbox or Xbox 360.
It IS the perfect pistol…
for me. Best results shooting at the range has been with my Glock.
The grip angle is just right for me. Have tried s&w, beretta, and sig. I am twice as good with my Glock as I ever was with any other pistol.
Own just about every pistol platform but Glock…yet I still recommend Glock whenever a new shooter asks what to look at. They’re not for me, but they’re so damn good. Best endorsement I can give.
You wear pants to bed?!😂😂😂 I love the side tracking you guys do.
Glock is and always will be king of defensive pistols. Haters gonna hate. No other pistol has the same track record, proven reliability, or ease of use/cleaning
Reliable, reliable, reliable
I'm not a fan of glock, because nowadays we can get everything a glock offers in so many different forms that I find more desirable.
With that said, they're one of the best guns you can buy, and they changed the handgun world in a way we should all appreciate.
Love my Gen 3 Tacoma, love my Gen 4 Glock. neither are "sexy". But damned if they don't just always work. Oh. BTW what (vortex) red dots you all using on those GLOCKS? just wondering. Thanks all. keep up the stellar work.
I'm a 2nd gen taco guy and glock guy as well 👍🏼
I wanna do competition but I can't afford a bunch of memberships 🤦
Or also the Sig P320 line?!
Not sure if you were being sarcastic but SilencerCo did make an integrally suppressed pistol that accepts Glock mags. From the looks of it, the Maxim 9 didn’t sell well though. They’re pretty rare.
And they basically ruined it with the production model.
The functioning prototypes were M&Ps with modified parts, that means M&P grip and M&P magazines. SilencerCo then decided to reduce the guns cost and make their own. Now the gun has a grip that can only be described as "PS1 graghics" and feels like crap. And on top of that they have really bad reliability issues.
For all the people claiming the Glock needs a bunch of aftermarket parts…weird considering there are countless people who can shoot a factory Glock with remarkable accuracy. If you need to replace anything on a Glock (or any modern pistol, for that matter), the pistol isn’t the problem. Your skills need work.
Ryan is the reason I listen to every episode absolute encyclopedia .. Jim is Sid from Toy Story grown up he’d be the guy you go blow your finger off with and Mark is your cool uncle that lets you drink beer at his house and teaches you life leasons 👍👍👍
If you point aggressively at something, that's the glock grip angle.
The 36 is my all time favorite
Lets see a video about SIG P320
I wasted a lot of time and money buying crap before finally buying a glock. Now I own 3. They aren't the best pistol, but they can be the best for a certain given task.
Chris from Regular Guy training has something like 70k rounds through a Glock. Though I forget if it’s a 17 or 19.
If Jim likes S&W, then he should try a Canik pistol.
I wish more would understood that most striker fired pistols are mostly single action being 100 percent precocked. I think Glock is around 40 percent cocked.
i didnt know most other striker pistols arent 1.5-action like glocks.
add the gidget back plate that rises with the trigger pull and it'll be safe like a DA/SA without the need for a manual safety lever.
Now I want a Corvette
@19:44 into video. I put my pinky up when I shoot my CZ P07 🤣🤣 #cztrain4life
I not a big shorts person never to work, never hunting and never doing anything in tall grass or brush and must be above 85. Except in a boat, when fishing even if it isn't warm, its shorts. sometimes shorts, hoody with rain coat.
Brother I think if you were wandering around the desert (book of Eli ) style..and found a Glock it would most likely be warped from the Sun and dry rotted and brittle ... think about it have you ever left something plastic in the sun for to long only to come back and find it melted or it is so brittle you touch it with your finger and it crumbles... I don't know how the fancy glass filled polymer used in most firearms would stand up but maybe that would be an interesting test video for you guys 🤔 I'd watch it!
1911 Special Podcast!
Glock 18
Cz75
Beretta 93 raffica SP?
The P10c has removable back straps and front serrations and the frame was cut in the back under the slide so you could get a I higher purchase and the gen4 did not. CZ blew it out of the water. You could buy a better pistol for less money. The Glock 19 cost around $600 the p10c around $450.
Facts no feelings. Glock Gen 4 came in 2010. CZ P10C came in 2017. You maybe have higher purchase on CZ but it has higher bore axis. I owned both so I know what I am talking about.
@@ggrandcz You are right I was wrong about the timing. I also own both guns. CZ p10c is still a superior pistol for less money
I do find it funny as soon as the p10c is released Glock came out with a gen-5 which in my opinion is still not as good
There are so many great pistols out there and they're all good. It's just a matter of personal choice.
Ya know, I really love the way Glock names and numbers their pistols. The G45 is a 9mm, the G22 is a .40. Makes perfect sense. Wouldn’t wanna have some hair-brained, half-cocked confusing naming scheme…. Right?
Right?
I genuinely love the simplicity of Glock. They have something that works and works very well and they know it, so they don’t change it. I get that some people don’t like their unwillingness to push the envelope in terms of innovations, but I admire that. I’m one of those types of guys that finds something that they like and I stick with it, and I personally am not a fan of when a company tries to innovate and update products just for the sake of trying new things. The example I usually go to is with tools or small power equipment. I don’t like when there’s an awesome tool or a good chainsaw or weedwacker and then the company discontinues the model just because it’s getting long in the tooth, and ends up replacing it with something that seemingly isn’t as good. I like a company that knows the thing they make works, and works well and is reliable so they stick to it. When Stihl stopped making the MS250 chainsaw I was kinda upset. I work at a Stihl dealer and I’ve prepped and sold a ton of those saws, and my coworker who does the 2cycle repairs has always said that the MS250 is a great model. Now, that model is no longer being made and the new saw in its place is the MS251. There isn’t anything glaringly wrong or bad about the 251, but the 250 was just a great, workhorse of a saw for your average homeowner guy. Personally I would prefer the 250 over the newer 251 but you can’t get them anymore unless the local dealer happens to have them in stock still.
Glock backcountry carry ...460 Roland
Ayyyy 9x25!
You can find many guns that does something better than Glock. But Glock offers good and balanced package. Add good aftermarket and parts/accessories availability on top of that and you've got the winner. There are some guns that might even offer all what Glock does, maybe more, but you can't expect to get all parts/accessories after 10 or 20 years.
I gotta just say I really love my shield plus. Never owned a Glock. If I ever got one I would want to get it because I actually want one rather than to just own one. That being said I don’t not like them. I just think there are just others with more features out of the box.
Miata is always the answer😁
I don't like glocks, their triggers, grips, looks, and sometimes the sights, but I can't not recommend the gun because it just works, it's easy to use parts are everywhere plus you can customize the hell out of it. I always add it to the listing of recommended guns when talking to my friends when they start looking for a gun, even if I don't like it.
Have 2 Glock 17's Gen 4 and 5. But carry S&W M&P 2.0 with optic. Yes for apocalypse Glock.
Speaking of things that Glock sells, they sell horse seed so you can grow your own glock horses.
New gun owner as of April this year G19 and I said what they make a pistol caliber cabine that takes Glock mags and it folds yes yes give me the KelTec sub 2000 in digicamo colorway please.
You guys mentioned the grip angle... For casual shooters, or people who need reliable home defense and will almost never shoot it, the Glock is the worst option. Because of the grip angle, they will be inaccurate, causing people to inadvertently kill their neighbors cat 2 blocks away... For "gun guys", those of us who shoot regularly and often, Glocks are great options, as long as you don't confuse yourself by shooting multiple other platforms... But that kind of applies to all firearms.
My primary recommendation to newer shooters... Pick YOUR pistol, shoot only YOUR pistol, master YOUR pistol, regardless of brand...
Nah I disagree. The untrained shooter doesn't have any form of index nor recoil control or any of that. It doesn't matter whether you hand them a revolver, 1911, or Glock, it's all going to be the same when they have to pull the trigger at a threat. You could even make an argument a Glock is more natural pointing because when you hold it one handed (as most untrained people will in a high stress and/or close up threat) it points more naturally that way. All that being the case, the Glock is low on my referral list simply because new gun guys don't feel comfortable with one in the chamber with a 5lb trigger pull and no safety (and who can blame them), so I push them towards DA/SA pistols like HKs and Berettas.
Glocks are the most simple, reliable and tough pistols you can buy. If you want to arm a military or police force, it’s what you want. Give it to them and don’t worry about if they maintain it properly. It will work.
Glocks 1-16 patients where mostly curtain rods I believe, correct me if I'm wrong.
Just say "I've got Chicken Legs" RYAN. 😂
Thanks for all the Oreos, Hydrox.
I still carry a Glock 32c in 357Sig!
Sig p320 please guys
Yes u can make them the best becouse you can customize to fit you.
I have to say, having used Glocks at the range. They are accurate, they are reliable and dependable. Their beauty is in the simplistic design. My problem with them is the grip angle.
What Glock did for consumers was set a new bar for reliability and accuracy vs cost of production.
Funny he mentioned book of Eli and that was an Hk45
Shadow systems are gen 4 Gucci clocks
I think shadow systems and maybe zev are the only ones doing gen 4’s. You can tell by the mag release.
I also never wear shorts.
And I agree, the beauty of the glock is utilitarianism. Ya look at it and it's all business. Nothing more than it needs and nothing less than it needs. I'm not even a big fan of them. I won't carry mine because I can't shoot it worth a damn but I'll still never sell it because it CAN be fired very well if ya take your time.
I've had a few people ask me to sell my Gen 5 19 but I refuse to sell because it's still reliable and can be used if I'm doing my part to shoot it properly.
One way or another, glocks are exceptional pistols and for a decent price.
And I will say that polishing your "sear" does give it a little bit of a nicer trigger pull. Just be careful if you're doing it yourself. Go slow and be extremely deliberate in how you do it. Polishing is pretty light work and doesn't require a lot of pressure.
Also...I still have my mini disc player. And it still works. Actually a pretty decent little machine.
Idk, I used to love my Glocks until I touched the p320 trigger, been stuck since.
The secret service still uses .357 sig for one simple reason, it's the best semiautomatic handgun round for use in and against vehicles
No its not😂
Am I the only one who worries about how well the polymer will hold up considering I plan to pass my Glocks down generations? Weird thought 😂 wood and metal has stood the test of time but will the plastic fantastic do so?
When they start talking about shorts I'm not sorry I can't
What about the sigs
Short answer……YES
Best? Nope! My top pick, though! It's reliable, and I can actually get parts and magazines at local stores! I can find a few Smith and wesson items, but maybe 1/3 of what glock has locally! Model 17 or 19 or 45(19 slide on 17 frame) would be the safest bet, too!
talk about canik please
Please, who shoots a Glock in the standard configuration?
In minimum a sight update…
But I must say, my gen 3 G19 still runs well after 22 years of punishment…
Keep it up guys, thanks for sharing
For a Glock suppressor, check out the Fischer-Development FD917, no threaded barrel required, just clip on to the accessory rail and go quiet (fits in a standard stanag mag pouch 😉)
Nothing is perfect. Personally I won't have one but even handguns I love are not perfect. All have compromises.
Glock ah... But it does work and they make .40 cal still, I do like my 27. Take a CZ instead. Enjoyed the talk fellas. 👍🏼🇺🇲