Real Pilot Reviews Flight Simulator Rudder Pedals & Demonstrates Home Simulator Setup
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- Опубликовано: 1 дек 2020
- Real Pilot reviews Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 rudder pedals. MFG Crosswind V2 versus Logitech G Pro Flight. Demonstrating the full flight controls set up for the at home flight simulator. Practice real flying at home to make yourself a better pilot.
Flight Simulator Setup: (06:59)
Night Take off Montreal International with the Cessna 172 in MSFS 2020: (08:24) 
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MFG pedals are basically meant to use the dampener kit for a more realistic feel with the pedals. You can use the dampner with or without spring and it's an vastly improved feeling for both jets and especially helicopters.
Had my mfg's for approx 5 years and they are as good as the day I got them, excellent pedals👍
Right on!
so, i’m looking at buying rudder pedals for the first time, and i think you saved me a lot of money. the pro flight pedals have very high ratings everywhere i look. your video shocked me and i investigated further. i found and endless line of complaints about them breaking. just years worth of complaints! it seems they have a known fault that the company couldn’t care less about. this video deserves a lot more attention.
Thank you, that's why I decided to make it. You really don't realize it until you tear them down.
I'm really grateful for your video. I was searching and searching a good rudder and I didn't like any option. These MFG Crosswind doesn't appear in almost any review, I only found them in your video, and after get more information I decided to purchase them. They are just perfect ! Way better I could expect.
That's awesome, do you have them set up yet?
@@FriendlyFlier Yep, it was easy. Both MSG and MSFS calibrations work cool. Bit of null zone, axis long, nothing more needed.
Had these for quite a few years...just added the Adjustable hydraulic damper for added realism....great product!
Right on!
Bought the MFG pedals second hand for like 100€ and they are a game changer. Superb quality!
i never expected to see chris martin reviewing flight sim gears on youtube
Very nice video, thanks for sharing. Keep up the great work. God Bless.
I'm watching this, having bought the MFG pedals a long time ago now. It's a good review, one further difference for the MFG pedals is the cam centring profile, it's a small piece on on the USB side, near the top, you'll notice a bearing running on a curved surface, this can be replaced with parts included with the pedals, and they sell alternates on the website, basically it allows you to change the tension curve and centre detent to better replicate the aircraft you're simming. maybe not a huge detail, but it may be one someone wants.
Remove the thin paint layer of the cable with a soldering iron and use soldering grease to remove any debree. Then u can use rosin to make the solder soak into the ends of the cable.
Thanks for the comparison. Helpful to know possible "weak points" on the Logi. But this is like comparing a Mercedes to a Toyota and criticizing the quality of the leather. These two products are in a complete different category / segment. The MFG costs 2x or more depending on supply / demand.
Well a Toyota can defeat a Mercedes. The Toyota is gonna last way longer. Mercedes have turned their vehicles into a maintenance monopoly. If you are sleeping in a bed of money, sure, a Mercedes is the way to go but if you want something thats going to carry you for a very long time and has low maintenance and basically chaperones itself, take the Camry.
I like it how he did the 74gear intro with the "coming up" and then his intro
Disasters have happened here too. I couldn't make sure, do your pedals wobble from side to side, away from the center?
When resoldering wires you absolutely DO NOT melt the wire coating off. You use a wire stripper (or in a pinch, a knife) to remove the coating.
Also, the toe brake son the Logitech will eventually break as the tension from the spring will break the plastic connection. Too much tension for the weak design that hooks the spring. There's metal replacements off ebay which will cost around 120$CAD to repair. Might as well get the nice metal rudders from MFG or VIRPIL.
This is exactly what happened with my Saitek set. Originally I replaced them with the TFRP Rudder pedals from Thrustmaster, but eventually found that they developed stiction on the rails, have just bought the TRP rudder pedals, and they are a game changer. Whilst I am still a bit wobbly when taking off in MSFS, it is so much easier to get the plane to take off and keep to the centerline.
Looking at my CH Pro Pedals I got for Christmas in 1997 with the brand new connector called USB. Thinking of buying the new Thrustmaster Pedals.
I can't find them for sale - not in Europe anyway.
@@ByronLina Did you get your pedals (which one did you buy, I want pedals too but not sure what to buy)? mfg-sim.com has the pedals. I know nothing about them but it seems they are MFG who produces these pedals ... they are in Croatia (Europe).
@@BoardstationDE I ended up getting the Thrustmaster Pendular Rudders from Amazon.de for about €450 when they came back into stock. A huge improvement over my old Combat Pros, but I need to do a better job of securing to my floor, they are a bit prone to sliding when applying full rudder. The MFGs get good write-ups so might well be a good option!
@@ByronLina Woooow, yeah, tge Thrustmaster Pendular Rudders are great, but damn expensive. That's why I'm intrested in MFG. Have fun with your peddels.
After having used the original mfg crosswinds for a decade of combat flight simming, I can attest to the quality and durability of this product.
Hay Friendly Flyer, at 6:23, instead of a toolbox as a wall spacer for the Saitek, you can mount the two attachable heel extensions (the two plastic originally meant to be mounted under your heel) to the front end instead of the back end of the pedals.
I'm surprised that you didn't talk about all the other amazing adjustments on the MFG or that it's all ball bearing and not plastic bushings. There's no comparison in my view.
Yeah, there were a lot of other things missing from this ”review”. The fact that for the MFG you can set the incline of the pedals, options to set the pedal width, the ability to change out the cams for a softer or harder center as well as linear or progressive resistance on the yaw axis. My MFGs are still going strong. The one ares that I found “problematic” was the footprint with the narrower edge close to the pilot did mean that it could tip to one side when you put one foot down but mounting them with a square piece of “shelf board” and 4 screws made it solid as a rock and they will outlast anything in my sim.
@@sguyouttanowhere8319 LOL, I screwed mine right into the floor through the carpet. 😁
@@GovG33k Now that is hardcore! I have wood floors and taking my wife’s reaction to that into account; I wanna live! 😂
@@sguyouttanowhere8319 My wife's a pretty cool chick. She was the one who bought me the pedals, Honeycomb Alpha and Bravo gear as well. 😉
Though she wants hardwood flooring so I might be back where you are trying to figure out a solution soon enough.
@@GovG33k Highly recommend the shelf board. Minimally it only needs to be deep enough to attach the front/back screws, wide enough to reach the outside of the pedals, and thick enough to be a solid screw set (mine is about a half inch). You just need 4 screws long enough to reach halfway into it. For visual purposes it can be stained to blend in with the floor. For additional slide prevention I have it sitting on top off a slightly larger carpet-mat (although it really isn’t needed). One day I will get around to buying some contact glue and fixing that to the bottom and trimming it. Good luck with whatever you do
Is MFG compatible with all the airplanes of msfs? I mean it is working well with all the airplane which have rudder pedals?
I've opened the Logitech pedals to remove the center detent and relubricate them, and these wires seem to be in tension, or close to, when you move the yaw axis. Not the best design for sure...
Those look like the MFG v3’s. There is an extra hole on the front, and back horizontal bars for the hydraulic dampers. I know because I have the v2, and v3.
I am looking to get the retrofit hydraulic damper kit for my 2017 v2 set. The installation on the v2 will be a bit adventurous.
That sounds cool, you should do it and make a video about it
xD I was bought Virpil ones xD I suppose you'll just fell in love with those xD
The MFG you can change the pedals angle and force needed to apply brake.
Thanks for the tip, these pedals have been great
For me it was the plastic hook of the spring in one of the pedals so the pedal wouldn't go back...
Can't find rudder pedals. MFG Crosswind V2 anywhere.
If the logitech pedals have a flaw that causes a part to fail, then there is nothing else to be said.
Failure is not acceptable.
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Thanks for the review. I'm getting ready to buy some pedals and the logitech was on the list of possibles.
Noped that right off the list.
use sandpaper on the speaker wire to clean it, the flux and 60/40 solder. use one of those multi hand jigs, super easy. atleast with a decent soldering iron. I have a hakko
Thank you for the idea, it was new to me at the time and I realize now there was a way to manage it.
@@AlanOnCA 100%, just wanted people to know its doable
I'm actually more interested in your PFC yoke and throttle :) May I ask if it is a force feedback yoke? The $1,995 newest model is described as having a "Control Loading" system and has a power supply which I assume is an FFB unit but some YTB video shows the seemly older model are not...
It’s not force feedback. They adding some bungee chords to provide resistive force.
@@FriendlyFlier Roger, thx.
Can't replace the wire component? Same flaw/break happens consistently? Is it possible to put the wires in a sheath to protect it?
You could replace the wire completely spending about an hour to disassemble the whole unit. You would also need the tools to put the connector on the end to press into the control board. Also, when you take the Proflight rudders apart, you see that everything is basically made of plastic and you know it's only a matter of time until the next thing is going to break. I'm sure those pedals are fine for kids, but if you want something that's going to last a teenager or adult a lifetime, you get something from Milan. From the ground up you can see that you could fix the gear by easily replacing parts. In the new age of 3d printing you could easily adapt new parts and bolt them on. Well worth the money!
@@FriendlyFlier Precisely. I have these skills, but the problem is that the design is poor to start with! if it looks like a toy, then it's probably a toy! I'm a big fan of what is sometimes called HART (Hall effect) technology because it reduces the amount of parts that can fail with wear.
@@FriendlyFlier Do you think these or Slaw Pedals are equal or better than TM TPR Petals? I bought the Warthog HOTAS for my A-10CII and need Pedals now. $500 is about my max considering what the HOTAS cost 🤯.
Can't afford the MFGs, and Thrustmaster makes an inexpensive set but the pedals are way too close together. Seems the Logitech/Saiteks are the only affordable option... (that give you more space between feet...)
It's like comparing a Lexus and a Chevette. The MFG pedals are twice as expensive as the Logitechs.
The Logitech Pedals technically were not made by Logitech themselves same with the HOTAS Flight sticks. They were Saitek products then Logitech bought them out and rebranded all the Saitek stock to Logitech and made a new flashy boxes and the typical industry wide and over the top "Gaming Grade" Marketing.
That’s true, when I bought them they were known as Saitek
If the mfg's are so good, why are they so hard to find? Are they even still being manufactured? What is the price difference between the two? I just purchased pro flight and I think I'll avoid the toe brakes and stick to trigger brake to lessen the chance of breakage
what is the best solution, 3 Full HD 27” monitors or a 37” 4k monitor? Thanks for your response
Full HD 27" is terrible. I've one and that was the worst buying decision for years. FHD is a terrible resolution on such a big screen. Don't waste your money.
I agree with Fluse Int., 27" really needs at lest 1440p. But... get just one 1440p 27" and get additional VR headset for the money saved, if you have good graphics card. Oculus Quest 2 or HP reverb G2 if you have RTX3080, 3080Ti or 3090, or the Valve Index or Oculus Rifs S if you have weaker graphics card.
I'm a pilot who uses the flight sim to practice procedures. I would say any monitor with a TrackIR will work. My breakthrough moment was when I prioritized what features I needed for training versus trying to reproduce a cockpit at home.
Imho a good monitor combined with track eye r is nicer than a vr headset. But that's a matter of taste.
@@fluseint.1303 (you wrong then)*edited, "you may be wrong" I do have Reverb G2 and 27"1440p monitor+TrackIR. Reverb G2 is on the level where cockpit is about same resolution as watched on 1440p LCD, yes the distant objects looks a little lower, similar to 1080p LCD, but the immersion difference is night and day. So why bother with LCD then? Well its easier to control all the features of flight sim especially simulating modern aviation with lots of keybinds, in VR you dont have keyboard in your sight. If you have big HOTAS then you can map all needed controls to its so you can operate it blind. Once there would be some viable solution for hand tracking and cockpits become "clickable" flat monitors will be thing of past. For rotary the VR is almost a must, to be able to look around and not have to guess the distance to objects is mandatory.
I dont remember when I last used my flat screen+TrackIR for flight sim the last time, but its a while back.
Before Reverb G2, Quest2, Pimax 8KX yes the flat screen was much nicer, LCD had everything sharper, no screen door effect, but now all the low resolution is gone and VR is is much better for flight siming.
Fluse Int. I edited the start of my reply, I do treasure your opinion, I just felt that you may have not experienced latest evolution of VR, have put it in wrong words.
or you could just but the JST XH connecter kit and some wire and make a new wire to install that would cost about $45 for all the materials on amazon and once you are done you will have around 498 connectors and about 49M of wire left over for other projects it would take maybe 20 min of work to do
Great idea! Would love to see a video of you fixing one! If you manage to put one together, share it back here!
video starts at 2:59 ;)
What pedals are BEST for helicopter sim?
I suspect these would be fine for that. What rotary are you looking to simulate?
@@FriendlyFlier R22 R44
I flew an R-22 last year in Colombia and didn't notice anything special with the pedals other than they use a horizontal bar instead of foot panels. Any pedals should do for training purposes.
@@FriendlyFlier ok. Thanks
Good to know that the logitech/saitek pedals are garbage build quality will be looking in to the mfg or virpil pedals instead.
When it comes to Flight Sims, Logitech builds cheap plastic Crap.
The reason they sell, is the fact that quality Flight Sim peripherals are not cheap.
I have a set of the Logitech Pedals, when they eventually fail and they will I will go to a better set possibly from Virpil or Thrust Master. I will also wait to see what Honeycomb Aviation comes out with.
The MFG ones are very nice and adjustable. Is there a reason you didn’t consider them?
@@FriendlyFlier ; I will, thank You.
There are also VKB ones that had positive reviews. Just - no brakes
@@mungo7136 interesting, I will need to check those out. However, I can't imagine having pedals without brakes. I also use the pedals for playing Elite Dangerous.
new Honeycomb pedals look promising...
You need a track ir duude
Um...there's a lovely tool called wire strippers.
Those wires are very difficult to strip, the insulation is more like a sealant than a sleeve. Did you work find a stripper that worked on the wires in these pedals?
@@FriendlyFlier hmm. With the pedals I just got from a friend, the rudder potentiometer had a ground wire pop out and that's a regular cable so it was an easy fix. I'm wondering if they used a slightly different design for the brake potentiometers to have thinner and possibly more durable cables? The bigger issue I'm having is that the tension dial doesn't budge
those are probably enameled wire you need to sand it down
$150 for Logitech vs $350 for MSG. I would hope it would be built better 2.3x more expensive.
I think if you're getting them new at $150 there may be an argument there, but now those cheaper pedals cost $230 CAD and up. The MFG cost me $440 CAD. Are they 2x better? Absolutely!
@@FriendlyFlier I just bought them off of B&H for $169 and was delivered 3 days ago, so they are little more than double the price for me. I'm putting the extra money into the yoke and throttle from honeycomb. I find the rudders to be lower on the priority but if you have the cash, I guess.
@@kalel33 agreed, rudders less important for fixed wing. However, if you're going to fly rotary the pedals become very important.
@@FriendlyFlier For rotary I really recommend VKB pedals.
@@madigorfkgoogle9349 I was just flying a R-22 in Colombia, I may decide to complete the license. However, I know I am going to need a completely different flight controls set up. What makes the VKB great for rotary wing training?
My Logitech pedals broke after 3 weeks of use. Plastic junk.
Lol cool stuff but I hope you know you just climb at vx you don’t retract flaps in ground effect...ever.
There is a technique to retract flaps in ground effect to reduce drag during the climb.
As soon as you mentioned MSFS - you lost me. P3D or X-Plane...