The sad part is fandoms are where fans of common things get to come together to discuss and enjoy these things together. But with Star Wars, the less I interact with the fandom, the more I enjoy being a fan.
facts, I go onto youtube after i watch something starwars, and all i see is "why the show is bad". all they do is show normal scenes of characters, and then pretend to be outraged.
Same. The new shows are amazing. These people don't even try to watch or understand the theme or the story. They just conditioned themselves to hate it and that's what they're trying to do. They sit there to find a scene they don't like ''hurr this stormtrooper took 1 step too much'' ''hurr plott'' because they can't get themselves to allow these new shows to have the benefit of the doubt of being fiction like they do with the OT. If you sit and try to find something to hate, either it be some narrative decision to help the protagonists or a small logical mistake then you will find issues with every movie, show, cartoon whatever out there. If the OT came out today they would shit on it more than the current ones due to all of its problems. Remember all the flack Obi Wan got because the lightsaber bounced off something? It did so in the OT too. The hyprocrisy.
The Internet fandom is where it’s the absolute worst. However as one who has attended two Star Wars Celebrations, it’s a whole lot different when you actually see real life people celebrating and coming together in shared passions.
I generally avoid Star Wars opinions on the internet and keep those for real life conversations. Hate-watching the franchise seems to get more ad revenue, hard to tell genuine opinions on anymore.
Yeah, they're whiney bitches. I did not like Episodes 8 and 9 from the main saga, but I just kinda dealt with it in my head canon and moved on to other star wars movies and shows that I like, and I've liked more than I've disliked so far. They over exaggerate and everything is a "world ending problem." They're afraid of lore and canon growing and so things are immediately a "loophole" or "breaks canon" but you really just find out these fans are terribly uncreative and unimaginative and blame the writers because they can't perceive how it works or aren't willing to accept that it does.
@@GhostwalkerSparrow no man, don’t think about it. Just consume product and then get excited for the next product. That’s all these NPCs need to feel satisfied.
I agree I remember the Clone Wars got hate too during its early days. People getting mad about Ahsoka. Saying she’s an annoying and blah blah, then fast forward a few years, people now love her.
love her, the series AND THEN be toxic about it. God help me if clone wars fans are not the most elitist entitled bastards on the internet, they literally compare everything to clone wars and jerks filoni off like he's a saint even though clone wars has some flaws that people seem to ignore. Wish i can hex star wars fans with eternal itch inside their rectum
Yeah hypocrisy is real. They hated the force awakens cause it was just a copy of A New Hope and hated Kylo Ren for being a whiny baby.....and now they all love it cause they hate the second and third sequel movies.
Except Ahsoka was literally written to be hated at first. She was made to be a bratty kid talking down to these characters we’ve loved for so long and giving them dumb nicknames. And then she experiences the reality of the war and matures real fast, which is why people love her now. Its not a hypocrisy thing, Ahsoka was written to get that type of reaction and development.
I remember Star Wars hate from the 90s even before the prequels. It’s been a problem for a long time. You see, SW fans love the IDEA of Star Wars, but they hate the actual execution of that idea.
SW plot of the original 3 episodes looks like written by a 8yo kid who just ate too much sugar. It is insanly childish. If any adult thinks these are the best movies ever made, then he is not the sharpest pencil around to begin with...
@@noldo3837 movies are far more than plot. A great movie can have huge plot holes but if the pacing, characters, score, sound effects, etc distract the audience enough then viewers won’t question it. At least not in the first viewing. I wouldn’t say the OT is three of the greatest movies of all time. I’d say it’s two of the greatest movies of all time and a muppet movie with a cool space battle.
So true!! I keep seeing in my RUclips recommendations videos saying that "everthing from Disney Star Wars is awful!! It's a insult to George Lucas and the fans!!" Really?!? Everthing since Disney acquired Star Wars sucks? They can't see one good thing from all the movies or TV shows? It's almost like half the fanbase has given in to hate and has fallen to the dark side.
This is so accurate lol, it's like the star wars fandom is having a real life sith-jedi war, but fuck it im on the Jedi side now, I'm not gonna bind my opinions to these losers assumptions on everything. The sequel trilogy had cringey moments but I personally think it was good, I don't care anymore lol
I haven't liked anything Disney star wars related. I gave it a chance but it was just boring weird. I don't even like star wars to begin with, my friends just told me to watch it.
Thank you! Lately my RUclips suggestion is flooded with people hating on Kenobi for the littlest things. Makes me question whether there are any sane people out there. - “This show sucks!” Dude, it’s only the first and second episode! - “Bait and switch!” Where?!!! - Ewan shows his support for Moses Ingram. “Star Wars is calling EVERYONE racist!”
I saw a video where a "former network executive" slammed Ewan for it and i had to say "Dude its a co-worker, you'd do the same, regardless of it being Disney or not!"
There's more star wars now that Disney own it so you think fans would be happy but no toxic fans complain a complain and there supposed to be fans but all they do is hate on everything lol
The reason why people end up hating these properties so passionately is because they base their whole identity and happiness on them. People's psychological well being should never be tied to the latest entertainment product.
Or maybe, just maybe they are tired of getting shit movies and TV shows over and over and over, after a while, you get fed up. Also, if "because they base their whole identity and happiness on them" is true, what does that say of people defending this shit ? Why do you and this channel care what others think ? You are not a Star wars fan, i mean they all are Toxic.......
That’s also true for the toxic positivity of the Star Wars fanbase. People get mad that others criticized the most recent Star Wars product because they identify themselves with Star Wars. So when someone criticizes it, they take it as a personal attack upon them.
Exactly. For one there is no franchise or property that exist that every movie or television show is a home run. That would be like a sports fan expecting his team to go undefeated every year and win the championship every year and if they don’t they’re going to hate that sports team for the rest of their life. You are correct I think just small vocal minority besides not having anything else to be happy about in life whether it’s Star Wars or DC comics or Marvel or whatever, their entire life is based around one of these properties and that’s not really healthy at all. And yeah I love Star Wars, I love Ghostbusters, I love DC comics, but just because there’s a bad episode or a bad movie does not mean someone went back in time in inappropriately touched my childhood and that actors need to get death threats or have racist messages sent to them online. Fans like that are people that really truly have no life outside of the franchise that they have made a God in their life.
it is so crazy to see the internet just collectively switch opinions on certain movies I started following internet movie culture in part thanks to this channel back in 2015. I remember when Star Wars 7 came out, it was literally treated like the second coming of Christ. and then before last jedi came out, it was suddenly the worst movie ever And the weirdest is with the andrew garfield spidey movies. 5 years ago those movies were considered bottom of the barrel for comic book movies and at the time, my opinions were easily swayed by the internet. I still kind of liked TASM 2 as it is a really nostalgic movie for me. then when no way home released, andrew garfield movies were treated like they were amazing (how did that happen??)
Hivemind. One guy screams this is bad, and the silent audience jumps on the notion, when the hivemind stays dormant for a few years, another guy screams this is good. So many movies were shat upon when they released, now they're considered cult classics. Stars Wars Prequels, Starship Troopers are great examples
I don't remember ever hating TASM, but I did found it boring when compared to Sam Riami films. The only thing I truly loved about them was Time Square scene with the Electro and more importantly, I loved his theme song.
@@aimanghazi7043 "So many movies were shat upon when they released, now they're considered cult classics. Stars Wars Prequels" I like some evidence of that, 2 people on a random board are not "Hivemind"
Because they naively think that a new film or TV show in the franchise they grew up loving is going to make them as excited and enthralled as when they were kids. It’s a like a 40-year-old expecting their birthday or Christmas to be just as awesome as when they were kids. It’s never going to happen. They do nothing but set themselves up for disappointment with astronomical expectations that can never possibly be met, and they can never realize the thing to do is just move on and find something else to be interested in.
@@Clipzilla42 Because they keep watching whatever new things come out. The same people who keep complaining about Star Wars don’t seem to be able to find anything else to be interested in.
@@Clipzilla42 Why would you bother watching something that you expect to be bad? If you don’t like anything they produce, you would logically have no interest in whatever else they come out with. But that’s not the case. You keep watching what they produce and find fault in everything. You keep hoping something new will come along that you like, but it never comes, and you lack the ability to move on from the franchise.
@@Clipzilla42 People love endlessly bitching about things they’ll never like, no matter who the writer is. Nothing will satisfy them, because their standard for enjoyment is recreating the childhood experience, as I previously described. These are the people, many of whom as children loved the prequel films, while adult fans tore those movies to absolute shreds for the bad writing, bad acting and everything that failed to live up to their childhood experience of loving the original trilogy. So this isn’t new. It’s been happening since 1999.
Nice, summed up my thoughts perfectly. It’s not the end of the world, the minute I stepped back and realized that my obsession was causing more problems than benefits I just stepped back. I can enjoy the clone wars season 7 the last Jedi and the mandalorian equally, but dislike the rise of Skywalker and not really lose sleep over it. Life’s just easy like that.
Aka I only gave a shit about Star Wars when Disney started manufacturing it on a conveyor belt so none of this shit really meant anything to me in the first place
@@Red-zh7vq only if I thought they did. I love Luke in the Last Jedi, and it’s easily my favourite film outside the original trilogy. Your opinion is yours.
I’m biased because I love the sequels. But even if you don’t like the story or characters you have to admit the cinematography, music, acting, effects are amazing
I don't really hate the Sequels, it was just rushed and didn't have a clear focus so for me I'm kinda saddened it couldn't have been even better, but I can still enjoy them especially Last Jedi and even Rise of Skywalker. When I left the threatre I was wanting more cause I thought it should have gotten a really long cut or another movie cause It was such a huge threat and kinda wanted to see Palpatine win plus Sith Troopers go so hard!!
@@pink_kino I have to agree they were rushed. That doesn’t stop me from loving the good parts about it. I can find bad stuff in any of the trilogies. I’m kinda hoping someday we get special editions of the sequels kinda like the OT
It’s funny how people don’t realize that this cycle has been going on forever and will continue to happen. In 10 years everyone is going to collectively say the sequels were misunderstood and they will become beloved just like the prequels
Wrong, the prequels are shit, they are simply better when compared to the Sequels. Also, i find it hard to believe that suddenly a overwhelming number of fans like the prequels. So in order for the Sequels to be liked more, there needs to be another Trilogy thats even shittier. And even for Disney, thats a tall order.
@@Ixiah27 The prequels aren't shit, there fucking amazing! They added so much to the Star Wars lore and perfectly summed up the rise of the Empire and Darth Vader. WTF is wrong with some Star Wars fans? The saying really is true, no one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. 🤦♂️
Honestly I feel like if writing quality isn’t up to standards then people have a right to point it out, especially if you’re passionate about storytelling and know that the medium can do better. I think the bigger problem is that these valid criticisms get lumped into ‘hateful’ rhetoric, when real hateful rhetoric exists out there. Like you said Twitter is a cesspool lol its hard to have genuine convos on there
@@thesenate668 Emotion in E4? Nah. Explain how Luke’s reaction to his parents and Leia’s entire planet. You can’t be serious. I’ll give you at least they tired much harder to act with emotion in E5 & E6.
I think it has something to do with these anti SJW channels, like nerderotic or geeks and gamers, and how they always promote negative perspectives to Disney Star Wars projects, dismissing everything they make as "woke" or "trash" (even when sometimes the project says otherwise) and how most kids are completely devoid of having their own personal opinion, and just get carried around and believe everything those types of channels say.
Right there with you on this. I have friends that I can no longer chat to about Star Wars and Marvel shows. Everything is just "bad, bad, bad" but they still watched it. What annoys me most about this is that when we were growing up we had no where near the quantity or in most cases quality of sci-fi shows to watch, now with a glut of such entertainment it's all just bad apparently.
@@TheVagabond627 So, you watch a show in a franchise and afterwards all you can do about it is complain. You watch the next thing from the franchise and all you can do is complain. You watch a third thing from the same franchise and you complain again. Maybe stop watching?
@@kalebdaark100 gatekeeping mentality. You are just a gatekeeper. What if that said fan not liked but loved marvel and starwars when the content was consistently good. But then new writers come on board and start to mess with the story telling and lore that of which was previously settup over a span of YEARS and of which you were invested? Then those writers start adding in their own political beliefs and narratives to these characters to the point the characters are changed and are no longer even the same characters. Does said fan not have the right to criticise and point out these changes? Does said fan not have the right to complain after years apon years of built intrest? Nah you dont get to just say "stop watching then" because clearly you lack the ability to recognise the build up investment into those ips and characters. Maybe that said fan wants it back to how it was? And wants to share their opinions freely without getting called names, painted as racist, sexist or any othet ists or isms. The hate that you people blab on about was created by you, by the media and by the writers. When you get it then you cry. Reap what you saw
Unfortunately a group of RUclipsrs have found that over-the-top hatred brings in viewers. It's all about making money. Their content is basically a cesspool breeding ground for toxic fans. And toxic fans are the ones that normal people see the most. They're bringing us all down and they don't care.
Conformist brainlet normies, you all act like they arent all making valid irrefutable points, not just about Disney Star wars but current media/ culture in general. Reducing these facts to "Hate" is what's really disgusting and disingenuous. Stick your heads in the sand and mindlessly consume subpar garbage riddled with malicious political propaganda, sit back as western civilization is purposely collasped around you by the globalist powers that be and their stooges in your home countries to forge their digital totalitarian system if you wish, but don't try to dismiss those have the balls to confront this shit for what it is. In the end they will be the ones who will pressure this current toxic marxist culture to change for the better by dishing out accountability, not you Ostriches. "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis" - Dante Alighieri
Can’t believe I use to sub to those fools. Geeks and Gamers especially argued with John Boyega on twitter, and like typical grifter fashion used his tweets to make a new video. They’re all literally grifters who generalize non stop.
As a Star Wars fan I have noticed the reason why some fans dislike anything Disney does with Star Wars is because it's not George Lucas making the product and they feel like all Disney does is disrespect everything George Lucas has done. Also theres political reasons why some fans dislike everything Disney does with Star Wars. All I care about as a fan is if I like the product and if it goes against lore. So far I have really liked Kenobi and most of current Star Wars.
Nothing that you’re saying is true tho. Most Star war fans hate the new stuff because it’s badly written. Just like the prequels are trash. Literally Star Wars is one of the worst written franchises ever. Same thing goes for modern Star Trek. Most Star Trek fans hate the new Star Trek stuff because it’s full of bad writing.
@@damiantirado9616 It's not though. The only things that are really bad on a writing level is the Rise of Skywalker and Book of Boba Fett in the current run of Disney Star Wars. The rest of Disney Star Wars don't have severe writing problems to the point where they would be considered bad but there is a argument to be made that they break canon and disrespect George Lucas which I disagree with the breaking of canon part of that. It could be disrespecting George Lucas but that doesn't bother me that much cause all I am looking for is a good story not if it pleases the creator. If Lucas wanted to continue Star Wars then he should of kept the franchise. The biggest reasonings from what I saw from videos for why Disney of Star Wars sucks is because it goes against canon and George which someone like Star Wars Theory has made a good amount of videos talking about it.
@@CometStar100 I don’t care about George Lucas he ruined Star Wars along time ago with the prequels. Disney Star Wars sucks too they do have bad writing. The force awakens isn’t a good film kid. It’s a bland copy of a new Hope, the only character that has character development is Finn. Apart from that all the characters in that movie are bland and dull. The last Jedi has tons of terrible writing, same thing goes for Rouge One and Solo a Star Wars story which is incredibly stupid nostalgia bait movie. You only enjoy the new stuff because of nostalgia. Kenobi is very badly written too. The only thing that is good is the Mandalorian season one. But the Mandalorian season one isn’t great it’s okay at best. 7/10 type of show. The problem is Hollywood this days makes crap tv shows and movies that you people are so used to terrible and dull writing, so when Hollywood uses nostalgia bait you enjoy it, or when Hollywood makes the minimum effort at doing something interesting like the Mandalorian you think it’s a master when in reality it’s just average and amateur filmmaking. In summary your expectations are so low due to trash filmmaking that an okay/average movie or tv show with nostalgia makes you feel like it’s a masterpiece cause it’s the best you’ve seen compared to the rest of the crap they have. Edit: if you’re a true film fan and watch movies made in the past analyze them and watch movies this days you would know Hollywood makes pure trash this days. Especially Star Wars. I recommend you to watch Mr. Plinkett Star Wars reviews, you will learn a lot about filmmaking by watching those videos, probably the best Star Wars reviewer ever. Most RUclipsrs review Star Wars by using their nostalgia “hey look Han Solo showed up and I like him, movie is a 8/10” that’s not how you review a film. But most people only care about nostalgia this days so Hollywood doesn’t make anything better.
@@damiantirado9616 You really don't have to spam or make it be personal with comet star. This video just said don't let entertainment control your life because its just entertainment. Yet you make a full essay of hate. Why?
@@damiantirado9616 Did I say current run of Star Wars was a masterpiece? I said I enjoyed most of the new stuff to a certain degree. I liked TFA. I liked TLJ. I really disliked TROS. I loved Rouge One. I thought Solo was just ok. Mando has been pretty good so far. Book of Boba was really bad. Rebels was pretty good. Bad Batch was boring. Kenobi so far has been pretty good. Well I am speaking as a Star Wars fan where Star Wars is bigger then just movies. The best Star Wars story of all time is a RPG videogame called Knights of the Old Republic in my opinion. I love movies which is why I am subscribed to a ton of movie channels and I wouldn't say my expectations are super low cause I have disliked a lot of movies recently so I don't just blindly like everything I watch. Top Gun Maverick was the best movie I have seen in such a long time. I don't know what else to tell you other then I don't think they are so bad. They might not be as good as the OT in my opinion but I wouldn't call everything new Star Wars really that bad.
I really appreciate you making this video. I have always wondered why Star Wars was so controversial of late and your points on how the fans grow up and how the movies change really make sense. I was born right around when Revenge of the Sith came out so I got to watch all the Star Wars movies and animated series before the sequel trilogy came out. And when the sequels did come out I watched them in theatres. For me, I grew up watching all the movies so I generally like all of them. (Some I think aren't that good but they still have great moments.) I also really like how you said it's just entertainment because that is the smartest thing you can say in this instance.
This used to be more than just cookie cutter bullshit. Storytelling isn’t just content, it’s art. It should be good, it should mean something. You just roll over take whatever Disney gives you.
@@Red-zh7vq uhhh, so what? I like Disney, so yeah I'm going to watch what they give to us to watch. I'm not going to be overly negative with whatever it is, even the worst pieces of entertainment have something good to say about them. Look, I know you're trying to start something and make me angry or something, so this is the only thing I'm going to say. You are right, storytelling isn’t just content, it is art too. But in the end whatever piece of entertainment you didn't like, (especially Disney I'm guessing), they still got the last laugh because you watched it and gave them money. ;) Have a good day
Some people’s entire internet ‘brand’ is ‘hating’... that’s their reason for being on social media, and for some, their livelihood...THOSE PEOPLE SUCK, and are why we can’t have nice things...
The sequels are the most successful Star Wars movies until today. Therefore they are the most popular ones. Many, many people went and watched them in the theaters worldwide. Those who hate them belong to a small, but very loud majority. That’s all.
HAHAHA you HAVE to be joking. Most real star wars fans (people who like them belong just the movies) don't like the sequels. A lot of the people who watched them were non-fans who watch the big thing. The sequels were trash and not even the kids who watched them like them enough to buy the toys (where most of the money comes from)
Before it wad the Disney era SW that "ruined everything" it was the prequels. And before that it was the Special Editions. And before that it was the Ewok movies. And before that it was Return of the Jedi. And before that it was the Holiday Special. Star Wars has always been a mixed bag in terms of quality, but every new generation seems to forget that. Star Wars has always been both awesome - AND kind of cheesy.
That hate was always there, it's just that each generation refuses to remove the nostalgia googles and see Star Wars as it really is: dumb but fun popcorn flicks.
This video honestly deserves all the likes in the world. It boggles my mind that this fan base ignores the history of the backlash of the prequels and continue to indulge in the hate today
One of my least favorite things about the fandom is The Force. Because here’s the reality, the Force works however the writers want. There’s no “In book x, character y says the force is z”. If the writer wants the Force to work differently, it will. There’s good examples like the Old Republic and bad ones like Rise of Skywalker.
Oh god, I know how you feel. I remember how triggered everyone got when that one character from ashoka was learning how to use the force even though she wasn't force sensitive before and everyone started going "SHE CAN'T DO THAT!! REEEE!! THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS YOU HAVE TO BE BORN FORCE SENSITIVE!! REEEE!!
This is an issue of internal consistency. The Force working differently in every story is a major brand problem. One of the promises with the canon reset was better consistency, but given that it's been less consistent, it makes the canon reset seem like an even worse decision. They really need a continuity team. That said. There's a difference between consistency in how the Force works, and different characters having different abilities. The issue with Sabine is as much about character inconsistency as Force inconsistency. But internal consistency is an issue of quality and good writing, particularly in science fiction and fantasy settings, and Star Wars straddles those two genres. It really doesn't matter how Hyperspace works, except it needs to work that way consistency to maintain the suspension of disbelief. If you don't want to work within the rules of given universe, just go write something original and don't call it Star Wars.
Whenever I hear the fandom complain about how the new content isn’t good, All I’m really hearing is: “Screw your themes, Screw your messages, Screw whatever your trying to get across, Screw your deep themes, Screw the human element of these characters, and Screw expanding upon your world building and character development, we just want mindless action for the sake of mindless action and fan service even if it doesn’t make sense. It’s just a superhero franchise, not some Oscar material, so stop trying to act like it’s adult or deep or something.” And as long as the fandom keeps this up, the content of the franchise will get better while the fandom will just get worse.
Holy shit, thank you for making this video. I’m sick of people ( especially “Star Wars youtubers”) over-exaggerate when it comes to Star Wars shows, for instance the Kenobi show. Tbh the show is decent so far, it’s not great but it’s not terrible either. Edit (June 23rd, 2022): I still stand by what I said. I give the show a 6.5 out of 10.
That's pretty spot on dude, must admit though when force awakens came out I was super excited saw it and hated it, it was literally a reskin of a new hope. Everyone I spoke to defended it for some stupid reason, last Jedi, and rise of Skywalker came out and now those same people now say "they never liked the sequels and that all three are terrible" it's also amazing how much people's opinions shift to go with the current flow of internet culture. 😂
I totally feel the same way... People say they want something new but always complain when they get something that doesn´t feel exactly like the old movies. I know that The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker aren´t the best movies but I enjoyed them far more than episode 7 because it wasn´t just a copy of A new hope. (And I loved the return of Palpatine and the introduction of Exegol)
@@Tom-nc5qv I'm not sure. I think its because the new cast are actually doing stuff instead being semi bystanders. Since the story is totally forced there was attempt to actually make some lore and intrigue. I totally see its faults....buts it's also a lot more fun to watch than the previous 2. Force awakens is kind of boring once the guavian death gang shows up, and in TLJ the A story is amazing but the B & C stories are flat. The sequel trilogy just is what it is. It's not getting retconned or remade so whatever issues I had with it I'm over it. I like what I like in it and do not like what I do not like. Moving forward.
@@bryansteele832 that's fair enough dude, each to their own I guess. I personally felt as the the story/plot line for the movies was crap, almost like they hadn't actually put any real effort or thought into it at all. Also Rey and Kylo are some of the worst writing for characters I've seen for a long time, their when arc made no sense and neither of them really end up accomplishing anything at all by the end of the movies.
This is so true about almost everything these days. It gets so toxic. Like the reaction currently on Chris Pratt as Mario. Or the black casting and other changes to LOTR. People cannot deal with change. It really doesn't makes sense. Wish people would just let these people of media be what they are entertainment, not religion 🤣
There are two wolves fighting inside me, one thinks people should be able to like what they like and leave them alone, the other wants me to be very vocal about how much I dislike new starwars
In all honesty it’s the vocal minority that gives the fanbase a bad name. Vast majority of Star Wars fans don’t go online and harass actors and creators. Because I’m pretty sure a good portion realize it’s fiction and don’t need to feel like they need to post everything online
I'm one of those rare people that enjoys (not loves), but enjoys everything related to Star Wars. Idgaf if a person doesn't like or care about a certain project or anything, but it's the fucking toxicity that really pisses me off and has been for years and I'm so glad you finally said something about it! It's so annoying! It's like I can't like anything anymore! It's so annoying and utterly ridiculous being bullied because I like a stupid franchise that I've loved for years. Opinions are subjective. They always have been. Like what you like. Dislike what you dislike and come to a respectful disagreement. Simple as that.
im same way, i love watching this show even the newer movies, im not a fan of rey and her character development but i love seeing han and chewy back and the new star destroyers and troopers love all that
It's cool that enjoy everything, but you agree that most of it is terrible, right? Because I'm pretty sure that nobody really cares about you liking or disliking it, and it's usually when going into its quality when issues arrive.
Yes, but, you know why that is? I think the answer is easy enough to see. Lucas had a great vision in the beginning, which after the first two films started to change. Then he sold it all to Disney who usually aren't making SW shows with any of Lucas' vibe. So we've ended up with a range of different 'vibes' which different people have really, really fallen for. Then some portion of the fan base is bound to end up unhappy when the next movie or series to come out doesn't give them more of what they want. Compare this to the Harry Potter series of novels (just the first lot). You had one writer, with a consistent vision and story she wanted to tell from start to finish. Because the vision was always consistent, the fan base never got split (to any degree like the SW fan base). In other words, I don't think the fans are especially bad - I just think they've each fallen in love with different phases of this fictional universe, and they can't get their fix anymore because Lucas didn't have the ideas or motivation to keep going in the same vein as he started.
I think the final straw with me with most toxic fandoms when they start to look down or even insult people who enjoy something out of a franchise that they like. To the point they hold their opinion over others so high that it's somehow superior. Star Wars fans are slowly having that attitude and tbh they need to look in the mirror.
Oh I wholeheartedly agree! People can like and dislike what they want, within reason. But the moment someone belittles another based on difference of opinions or controversial opinions, then they are witch-hunted, bullied, harassed and threatened. Not just Star Wars, but also Batman Fanboys too and anime fans. Ironically, many of these franchises and styles of movies teach about doing good things and being a hero without the need for violence, yet the fans act like the villains.
If thats only a problem with Star Wars fans, who do you complain to ? This Channel ? If hes not a Star Wars fan, why even make that video ? Also Toxic fandom ? Show me any and i mean ANY fandom that doesnt have fanatics, im waiting.
I guess you are fine with mediocrity. If you can have Lord of the Ring's quality why would you condone "Rings of Power" mediocrity? I agree that "hating" is not productive, but condoning mediocrity is bad for cinema and the stories they use as base. Tolkien spent decades writing a marvelous world only to have Amazon change everything he meant.. Disney did the same with Star Wars, they created bad plots, and didn't treat the property with the historic respect it deserved.
7:07 Kenobi had those goggles on because he was in a chemical lab, where wearing goggles is a safety measure. Stuff like that is easy to understand if you're paying attention.
i respect that. i think 8 was extremly boring and 9 the worst star wars movie but i dont care about it too much, i just move on with my life. its good you liked it.
Cannot find the words to express how well you describe the way I feel about being a Star Wars fan. Love watching it but hate watching older toxic fans try to destroy it and any positive emotions for it
I'm staying as far away from Internet discussion about the Kenobi series as possible, but one thing I did see is a short about how the choreography in the lightsaber duels has gotten so bad, when one of the fights shown in the "positive" section is the Dooku duel from Attack of the Clones, which a lot of other fans consider to be the worst fight in the series. So far I'll admit that Kenobi isn't the masterpiece I was hoping it would be, but it's definitely not the worst thing ever.
@@sweetkinglore because Reva feels more important the old Ben? Obiwan is dragged through the mud while Reva is praised for being the bestest ever... and oh she was secretly on the good side all along except she doesn’t seem like a hero. Not at all...
@@GhostwalkerSparrow How does she feel more important then OBI?? We're following him, not her. When does Obi get dragged, at all? And Reva is an interesting character, where did you get people thinking she was the best?
@@Hotlmao Oh, liking something, no. But videos like these here arent exactly that, arent they ? First they suggest "The Fans" hate everything, which of course raises the question, isnt the guy who makes this vid also a Fan ? Already the generalization breaks down. Then it assumes that Disney, a Billion Dollar Corporation that never gave a fuck about anything, if you look into their recent Tv and Movie history, was so afraid of SW to fail that they.......what exactly ? Gave the _Trilogy_ to a guy who is infamous for being unable to write endings, looked at the Story and realized that there is no setup for part 8 and 9 and said: "Yeah, thats what the Fans demand, we nailed it" Sorry, but pointing all of this out and asking why the hell guys like this channel here are White Knighting for a Faceless Corp that doesnt give a shit, thats not "Toxic Fandom" thats simply being done with Cucks who defend shit Media.
@@Ixiah27 the thing is most of the star wars fandom does hate everything and he even said that he likes ufc but when his favorite fighter loses his whole day is ruined just like how star wars fans act and ignoring 8, 9, and BOBF star wars is doing decent mando and andor is good, kenobi is meh, fallen order is good, clone wars and bad batch is also good
@@Hotlmao And that is based on what ? Im serious, "most SW Fans hate everything" ? Realy ? Can i state that you owe me money and then u have to pay it, just like that ?
Kenobi isn’t a perfect show but Jesus Christ it’s only been five episodes and people are acting like it’s the last Jedi all over again. The things some people are complaining about are just plain stupid. Like that Riva character. She’s not even that bad! And the actress does a fine job.
The series was a joke. It focused on a never-existing relationship between Kenobi and Leia--and added a duel with Vader that means Kenobi is now responsible for the death of millions--both cases which water down "A New Hope" terribly. "Kenobi" is the epitome of Disney "Star Wars": consume our product, like it or be labelled an -ist or -ism.
@@KennethDillard Kenobi was responsible for millions of deaths with or without the Kenobi show. You forget that Obi Wan also didn't kill Anakin during ROTS so he's still culpable anyways
Thank you for this! It's been so exhausting lately seeing all this like whenever the og trilogy and prequels are shown next to the sequels, 9 times out of 10 you'll see "oh those ones don't exist" or "I only see 6 movies here" like okay you don't have to like them but there's people that do and they shouldn't be attacked. I was literally told to kill myself for being a sequel fan I just want to talk about these movie experiences with fans without having to worry about all that negativity. I wouldn't mind them saying this or that wasn't their thing I just want to talk about star wars again may the force be with you
I'm sorry but the " people like them so they shouldn't be attacked" argument is a really bad point because when the franchise has lost so much money, fans, and reputation because of these movies no amount of a "few" people like them is going to change the fact that no one will probably care about the sequels in 20 years like the OT or even the prequels.
@@franks2796 I get what you're saying all I'm saying that disliking something and bullying someone for liking something you don't are different it's perfectly okay to dislike things but when you're attacked for being a fan of it that's really not okay, it's fine you don't have to love these films at the end of the day all I'm saying is you don't wanna hear someone tell you that you're a dumb piece of sh*t for at least enjoying something that's all
@@franks2796 Maybe, but there are movies that didn't do so well in theaters and then became cult classics later. Perhaps the same will happen with the Star Wars sequels.
I'm pretty confident that they won't cause the OT and even the prequels have lots of fans and support by lucasfilm, it really feels like even Disney wants to forget about the sequels.
I‘ve been in many fandoms and just recently rekindled my love for Star Wars and I have to say that this is the first fandom that annoys me so much that I actively try to avoid it in order to enjoy the content. The Kenobi show has some flaws, as every Star Wars movie has, but I enjoy it a lot. The vocal hateful fans are embarrassing and annoying and it makes me so sad that the actors are gonne be more aware of their opinion than the ones of those who love it, but are not spending 24/7 on Twitter developing stomach uclers over pointless discussions.
what makes it so much worse is that they're mostly adults who act like this, if it were young cringey kids then thats fine but these are grown ass adults treat star wars as either the second coming of christ or the death or entertainment and switch between them on a dime.
Funny, im more annoyed by all the massive amount of defenders who cant stand that someone doesnt praise a bad Movie or Tv Show. So just never complain about anything, just eat the garbage, never refuse to pay for the next Swill, thats how you get a better product, sure.....
😂 I mean it’s the halo show, it’s Star Trek it’s Star Wars it’s lord of the rings. Like all media and big franchise are ruined the same way. You are just moving on to get a later dick slap in the face. You are just accepting that it will stay shit. Which is fine but like that’s just giving up your standards. Anyone can do that it’s eady
Glad to say the only sort of Star Wars Media I’ve actively consumed and talked about is The Mandolorian, which happens to be the one current day Star Wars media that people don’t send each other missiles over.
You have said everything I have been saying for the last 5 years. More people who are showing hatred towards a dang media franchise need to watch this video and STOP being so rude & insufferable.
Most people are conformists and Hollywood knows it. The pathetic part of this discussion is that it ultimately leads to bad quality. Fans are quick to respond to greatness, as Top Gun 2 has demonstrated. But condoning bad writing just creates more bad writing.
I find people were accepting of Force Awakens at first because while being too similar to the originals in beats, it had some possibilities for the future movies. Then the next movies came, and didn't do anything good with what it set up, and became worse after the fact. The same with the prequels, they became better over time, in part due to how poorly the new movies were received and how much additional content that came in and added to them, via the Clone Wars and such. Myself, although the majority of the new media from Disney has not been good to me, I also find that Andor is the single best Star Wars media that has come out, and Rogue One I found to be overall excellent.
You said a big part of the problem. You used to have to wait 3 years for SW, now there is new content everyday. That's a big problem. They are making Star Wars just to make it now. They announce release dates before they even have a script and force it out in less than a year. Disney is about quantity over quality. People are calling them out for it. It does not make them toxic. What makes the fandom most toxic from what I see are those too fragile to handle criticism of something they enjoy and lash out and mock those who have any valid complaints.
Most Star Wars fans are genuinely the most annoying, impatient little gremlins I’ve ever seen Also it’s honestly hilarious watching these people say every time something new comes out they say they’re done with Star Wars and are never watching it again but when the next thing comes out they do the exact same thing again
Well, Lucas as well - self-centered egomaniac who does not accept any advice or critisizm, so in the movies end up things like Yoda, C-3PO, JarJar, Ewoks, rough sand, and a ton of terrible dialogues and lines... When Episode 1 was critisized, he locked himself on some farm and cut of contacts like a sulking kid...
Why do Star wars fans hate everything? The real simple reasons are these: 1. Woke politics: People are sick and tired of woke politics/agendas in their star war films. They want characters who are genuine which aren't based on their races or sexualities. It's not woke to cast a black woman, it's woke to use her as a stereotypical angry black woman and then make her the centerpiece of your show instead of the main character. People aren't there to see that woman, they are there to see the main character. People wanted to see Obiwan and Anakin scenes and interactions, that woman kept getting in the way of that. Obviously everyone hated her existence because of that and the massive amount of plot armor given to her. This is what all these diversity loons do not understand. As well as the whole "girls get it done" trope. 2. Bad writing which makes no sense. I don't think I need to explain this one. 3. The bashing of old characters. I don't think I need to explain this one either.
Its very sad that things are seen as either great or horrible nowadays. There are always gonna be problems but theres no reason to say its horrible as a whole
That's very true. It's a very black-and-white form of thinking, and it makes me sad that some people think that there can't be anything in-between. Some things are fairly good or decent, and just because someone likes them doesn't mean they think they are perfect or masterpieces. Not everything needs to be masterpieces or perfect.
The wisest character on Star Wars said "Hate leads to suffering.", and what do the fans do? They suffer. Lesson not learnt then. To simply not like something is okay, to hate on something that is not even real, is just pathetic.
People are so invested because fans of sci-fi and nerdy things use them as means of escapism, so it’s really frustrating when your happy place is altered in way that does feel right. Which is obviously irrational
i like ep 1-6 of skywalker saga and the mandalorian s1 s2 the most. i also like rogue one, solo, the book of boba fett and obi-wan kenobi. the only thing out of live actions that i dont like is the sequel trilogy but i respect if you like it because i dont care about opinions
Star Wars fanboys are crybabies that they feel like there childhood is ruined there childhood. Even when some people didn’t like the hobbit movies, they didn’t say they rape the legacy of the books or ruin LOTR and that’s because Tolkien fans aren’t a bunch of crybabies.
Thanks for calling this phenomenon out. I tire of being part of supposed SW fan pages, only to be beaten over the head by Disney Haters (even though at times these same fans LOVE Andor, Mandalorian, Solo, Rogue One, Ahsoka...etc)... It's like people get way too worked up over their favorite characters, series, animated shows, movies, etc... I like it all...not equally, but it is Star Wars people. I didn't thoroughly enjoy and maybe was even disappointed with the Book of Boba Fett...I was a kid who grew up on ESB so I could have really been annoyed, but I've learned to let things go. I even found genuinely awesome moments like seeing Hutts or Rancors more developed. I have a similar awakening regarding sports...if my home team lost I would be upset all week...why? I didn't play the game, I didn't get paid either way. I am not trying to shame folks, but I honestly feel like with time and maturity you will come to appreciate more and more of the available SW content
The amount of people I've heard say that the sequel trilogy ruined Star Wars and that is the most stupidest thing ever told. Just because the new movies had a disappointing ending doesn't mean the entire franchise is ruined because of it. There's so much Star Wars content out there and they're not ruined because of one bad movie
The Sequels do pretty much ruin the series, as the Originals can no longer be enjoyed without the thought that, canonically, their victory means nothing at all. It took characters people liked and ran them through the ground. And no, it's not their ending, the Sequels are all terrible, from 7 to 9, with just few decent scenes throughout. They have no redeeming quality other than how they look, which is out of the money they had to work with.
@@VladDascaliucBruh really? People can't ignore movies they hate and view as non-canon to enjoy movies that they like. I mean that sounds a bit messed up.
I'm a HUGE Star Wars fan, I love Rogue One, the TV shows (some are a little slow). I didn't like The Book Of Boba Fett that much. I LOVE LOVE LOVE The Clone Wars/Rebels/The Bad Batch and anything else SW animated!!!! Why do people HATE everything now? It's outrageous, it's unfair!
biggest issue with people now a days is the let others speak for them.. example, friend of mine he disliked obi wan new episode i asked what about it he didnt like, he goes and pulls up a youtuber who rants about it. I asked why does his opinion matter ? i asked yours not his, and he answered my question then i watched the video he sent and he pretty much saying same thing as this youtuber. people now a days dont think for themselves, they just loet others who they look up to and let them speak for them. people dont think for themselves anymore
What's wrong with using a video of someone who took their time to analyze the show and construct their thoughts as a way to explain yourself? Have you thought that, perhaps, the RUclipsr was making a good point and your friend simply agreed with him? Your friend's opinion is that he didn't like it, and to back it up he wanted to use someone who he thought did a better job at explaining it. "Where the points made good?" is really the only thing you should care about, not where the points come from.
@@VladDascaliuc Its something that has become a issue lately where people dont think for themselves, they let others do it for them. Nothing wrong with listening to other people opinions on things but when you blindly agree just because its from someone you like is where its a issue. critical thinking skills is slowly being removed and people just blindly listen and not think. after all this i talked with my friend more n more we watched vids again and he learned the person he listened to later was wrong on many levels and now he wondering why he even listened to him to begin with.
As true today as it was two years ago, and I suspect will be true in the future. Thanks for the insight. I think people pay waaaay too much attention to pre-release press and obsess over every little detail that leaks and spin narratives and become obsessed with the drama before ever seeing the product. And while the products do have flaws, as do all human works, the backlash (for some people) has become as much a part of the fandom as the thing itself. And the older fans don't seem to realize that new fans are growing up and replacing them every day, and Star Wars really is supposed to be for the youth. That's why it pays to stay young at heart and enjoy it as it comes, rather than trying to impose your will on it. Wow, it really is a case of life imitating art.
7:06 If you read the WHOLE tweet, and not just the 4 words, you'd realize the criticism is about Obi-Wan opting to fist fight rather than just use the Jedi mind trick. The goggles are only an incidental detail.
the frequency of material being released is at the heart of this...As a kid I waited years between my next installment...folks have stuff coming every month now..that is something to cry about???
7:55 Winter Soldier predictions with “Forty Six & 2” playing ….I died 😂. Really was speaking facts the whole video tho very well spoken and tbh didn’t feel rambly at all
What I don’t understand is the hate for making the casts more diverse and representative of the general population. I know I shouldn’t be at this point but I’m genuinely confused by the hate that any movie/franchise gets when they start to include more Black, LGBT, or female actors in the cast. Immediately it gets labeled as “social Justice warrior bullsh*t”. I mean, does a movie have to have all the characters be white in order for you to like it? If so…yikes! I don’t value those opinions at all. I’ve seen those people hate the new Star Wars and the new Star Trek series.
Just because you have non white straight or male characters doesn't make them interesting. You have to put in effort to make them more than their race gender and sexuality. What makes a lot of 80s franchises stood the test of time is because they manage to transcend politics religion race gender and sexuality and speak to people on a human level. They were timeless. And anything that tries to reflect the times or be modern for today isn't going to last long.
It's quite simple. Most of the time, the thought process behind including these diverse characters was "We need diverse characters", and that's it. There is no care for their character or acting, and there's no quality control for the story as a whole. People are also annoyed that these diverse characters are strategically used to deflect any and all criticism of the show, mudying the grounds by making any honest conversation of its quality preventively labeled as "-ist/-obe". It goes like clockwork. You don't need to have black characters, or female characters, or LGBT characters. You need good characters.
@@cowetascore8476 ironically you say that whilst just repeating everything RUclips grifters have trained you to say. Ffs next you’ll be one of those virgins who whines about “wokeness”.
Because I was never a Star Wars fan, I feel like I can give an unbiased opinion that isn't tainted with the rose colored glasses known as nostalgia. I honestly think all the films, 1-9, spinoffs, and series are pretty good overall. Nothing exactly groundbreaking but nothing overly bad either. Average as a franchise, solid B- overall. Honestly I find the fandom menace so much more interesting(and groups that just want to hate on pop media stuff in general) It just seems so interesting to me on how so many people can expend so much energy on something that brings them such dissatisfaction. It astonishes me how much politics tends to shape it too, particularly identity politics. It's at the point I feel like people have more riding on disliking a Star Wars project rather then let themselves enjoy what they can. That's where I think grifters come in. They help feed into the rhetoric to make the angered fans feel more valid in their discontent , and then get views, clicks, revenue, whatever. It's a fascinating thing to watch in small portions but can get exhausting overtime viewing.
@Randy White To you and others, yes I suppose they are. For me, they were a fun afternoon. I'm not trying to diminish anyone's experience or devalue opinions. It's just to me, the entire Star Wars saga was equally fine. Original, Prequel and Sequel.
@Randy White okay. What’s the impact? story of good Vs evil? Chosen one story? Young orphan who is meant for more? Dungeons and Dragons in space? The money episode 4 made? Not denying that. What exactly are we talking about here?
@@MardonNaLouIt did make the blockbuster possible but I agree in terms of writing (except maybe pacing-wise). There are a lot more solidly written films than the original trilogy.
The fandom is the reason why I only remain dedicated to the OG Trilogy in its unaltered state - a true lightning in a bottle that can never be captured ever again. The Sequels and Prequels along with the Special Edition changes just exist in their own universe for people who want to see more Star Wars. I actually liked what I seen from those films. But nothing will ever succeed that Original Trilogy and besides, the Skywalker Saga ended in 1983.
Star Wars fans hated everything for two reasons. 1) nostalgia. They have romantic views about his childhood and new content isnt so good because their fond Memories. 2) Disney content sucks. Its facts...its bad. In 30 years the people will still hate the sequels because its really sucks.
@Benji 64 Star Wars sequels sucks. The new characters are boring and Rey is a Mary Sue. They destroyed the OT characters and made all they fought for be destroyed. The plot was lazy. TFA was a soft reboot of ANH. So, its facts. The sequels need to be erased.
The mere thought of being associated with these freaks is one of the many reasons I've never tried to watch even the original trilogy. If somebody invited me to watch them, I would do it only because it entered in history as one of the greatest franchises of the 20th century.
I don't blame you. Star Wars has a bad fandom and deserves it's awful reputation. Watch the movies, talk with people irl, but avoid online discourse like the goddamn plague.
fans my age actually watched the originals and the prequals at the same time and there is a reason why the prequals are liked more by the younger generation. nostalgia isn't involved because we watched them all at the same time.
This is the reason I dropped out of discussions about SW. I dont like everything, but I dont spend energy hating anything. I love what I love and am indifferent to things I like less.
This was a very nice video and I like how you discussed this topic (rambling included). I have mixed feelings on it, because what is considered "toxic negativity" can be subjective, and I do get some of the fan frustrations. Your comparison is the MCU--how would you like it if, after Age of Ultron, every single MCU movie that was released was made with bad storytelling, weak CGI, ignored previous films and was clearly made without considering the fans? The lead writer of Kenobi just admitted in an article that he didn't know whether or not Kenobi knew Anakin's Sith name, Vader. He had to ask another staff member at Lucasfilm film, Pablo Hidalgo. The only way you CANNOT know this information, is if you didn't bother watching Revenge of the Sith before working on the script for a series with a character from said movie, set closely in the timeline to said movie. It's said multiple times in the movie to Kenobi. I try to take it in stride--it's fiction and I can decide what's "canon." But it does feel blatantly disrespectful and one of the reasons fans are so harsh is because Disney has lost consumer trust.
Here is the exact cycle of these "fans" new thing comes out, its the worst thing ever no matter what, old thing is now amazing. And repeat and repeat...
IF YOU WILL INDULGE ME, PLEASE READ THIS THROUGH TO THE END, AND LET ME TELL YOU WHY I WILL ALWAYS LOVE STAR WARS... AND HOPEFULLY CONVINCE YOU WHY YOU ALWAYS SHOULD, TOO....(CONTINUED BELOW)... A long time ago in the summer of 1977, I was a 10 year old kid who, one day, walked into a movie theatre to see "some far-out space movie" that was rapidly becoming "the talk of the town" on the schoolyard playground... I walked in an innocent, naive little child, only interested in Duncan Yo-yos, Mad Libs, Marshall Brodien TV Magic Cards, and Evel Knievel... I walked out CHANGED FOREVER. On that glorious day, I had seen the greatest movie that would EVER be made... STAR WARS... This groundbreaking film from writer/director George Lucas TOTALLY changed my life... It absolutely blew me away, filling my heart with joy, stimulating my imagination, and kick-starting my love for cinema... That day was momentous for me, and I would never be the same again.. I will never forget it.. From the moment the 20th Century Fox fanfare and John Williams' theme blasted through the theatre speaker system, and "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" and that "Flash Gordon inspired" opening crawl came on the screen, and that gigantic Star Destroyer appeared, flying over my head, towering above me as I sat in my theatre seat... and kept going... and going...and going... and as the entire audience gasped with amazement... at that very moment, I was instantaneously mesmerized, transfixed, and transformed... and I was only 5 minutes into the movie... I still had 2 more hours to go! By that time, I had seen a small handful of very good and (for their time) very impressive big-screen spectacles in the theatre, such as: The Golden Voyage of Sinbad (1974), At the Earth's Core (1976), Logan's Run (1976), and King Kong (1976)... but NOTHING could have prepared me (or the rest of the world) for the phenomenon that was STAR WARS and the change it would bring... the film that would propel a 1970's audience far beyond their wildest film-going expectations, and revolutionize the motion picture industry FOREVER. Words can never fully describe what it was like to be alive in the summer of 1977 during the peak height of "Star Wars Mania"... except to say that it was pure MAGIC. I became an instant fanatic... I saw the film 11 times in the movie theatre... I sneaked my portable tape recorder into the theatre and audio-recorded the entire film so that I could listen to the adventure over and over in the comfort of my own bedroom... I dressed up in a make-shift Darth Vader costume for Halloween...I collected the action figures, the trading cards, the posters, the books, the model kits, and much more (and I STILL have all of that "stuff") ... I always wore my Star Wars T-shirt... I always drank out of my Star Wars cup... I listened to John Williams' Star Wars soundtrack album constantly, becoming a fan of symphonic and film score music... I watched "The Making of Star Wars" TV special, becoming fascinated by the way movies were made, even making a few myself with my Super-8 camera... I watched the Academy Awards for the very first time to see my favorite movie sweep the Oscars with 10 nominations and 7 wins... I even watched the "infamous" Holiday Special in 1978 ... Lumpy... Itchy... Harvey Korman... Bea Arthur... Wookiee-ookiees... And I loved it... ("Hey, I was 11!"). And after 46 years, I continue to love STAR WARS: A NEW HOPE more and more... It has aged like fine wine... It is my #1 favorite movie of all time, followed by my 2nd favorite movie of all time: The Empire Strikes Back, and my 3rd favorite movie of all time: Return of the Jedi...These 3 movies are flawless and perfect, collectively making up not only the greatest cinematic trilogy ever made... but the three greatest films of any kind ever made... and the greatest cinematic story ever told... PERIOD. However, it all comes back to the very first 1977 film... This one is so pure and innocent... Its story is totally self-contained, without one needing to see any other Star Wars film to understand it... As summed up perfectly in the film's teaser trailer narration: "It's the story of a boy, a girl, and a universe... of rebellion and romance... of heroes, and villains, and aliens from a 1,000 worlds"... That says it all... It is the perfect story... the perfect film... a phenomenon... a bona fide classic.. a MASTERPIECE.. Side note: As a first generation STAR WARS fan, I proudly declare that... Yes... I LOVE the Prequel Trilogy films as well... absolutely... and totally stand behind them... they are amazing films, oozing with imagination and creativity... I like them just as much as the Original Trilogy... They have aged very well, proving themselves as great and worthy additions to the Star Wars Saga..... It's nice to see that there seems to be a re-evaluation of them in recent years, and they are getting much more love and respect now. I consider myself lucky... because I've ALWAYS loved them... And the Sequel Trilogy?... I like it fine... It's very entertaining, even if it didn't reach its full potential... It is a shame that Lucas sold off Lucasfilm and didn't get to give us HIS intended version.. The PROPER version... Of course, the reason that didn't happen was because of the toxic portion of the SW fanbase (mostly from MY generation, I'm embarrassed to say) that needlessly lambasted the Prequel films in the cruelest ways to the point that Lucas couldn't take it any more and gave up (Can you blame him?)... Still, even though I have my criticisms (and I know this seems to be an unpopular opinion these days) I do enjoy them... IMO: I liked Luke's character arc in TLJ... It may have seemed unexpected at first, but it kept in the tradition of the past... Has everyone forgotten that both Yoda AND Obi-Wan did the exact same thing by going into exile?... (What is Lucas always quoted as saying?... "It's like poetry... It rhymes")... And once Luke finally DID return... "WOW"... What a moment! IMO: I have ALWAYS thought that IF ONLY Force Ghost Anakin and Force Ghost Luke could have been seen physically on screen standing alongside Rey to help finally take down the Emperor (instead of just hearing their voices) at the end of TROS, that would have PERFECTLY tied all three trilogies together much more effectively, and made all the difference in the eyes of MANY Sequel critics. I thought that Rogue One, Solo, and Kenobi were all very good (Kenobi should have been a movie) .. I like the Clone Wars animated show from Lucas very much.. Hey, I even like the two Ewok TV movies! (But then, I even get demented pleasure from the train wreck known as the Holiday Special, so what do I know?) The Mandalorian, Andor, and The Book of Boba Fett were passable time-killers, ... What can I say... I'm a sucker when it comes to SW... I like it ALL, just to varying degrees... I guess I should consider myself lucky! Another side note: And as a first generation fan who has been there from the very beginning, I will also defend the Special Editions of the Original Trilogy... I honestly prefer these versions... 95% of the changes are excellent, and I can live with the 5% that I personally might not have changed... It doesn't ruin my experience and love for the films in the slightest... For the most part, I love what Lucas did with them.. What a special gift he gave us with those updated versions... I don't miss the original versions at all. One last side note: I've had the great privilege of seeing (and in a few cases, meeting) many STAR WARS legends over the past years: George Lucas. Gary Kurtz, Irvin Kershner, Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Anthony Daniels, Kenny Baker, Peter Mathew, David Prowse, Billy Dee Williams, Ian McDiarmid, Hayden Christensen, John Williams, Ralph McQuarrie, Dennis Muren, Ben Burtt, and many other cast and crew members... The three biggest events that I was fortunate enough to attend were the 10th anniversary Star Wars Convention in Los Angeles (1987), the 35th anniversary Star Wars Celebration in Orlando (2012), and the 40th anniversary Star Wars Celebration in Orlando (2017)... Some of the happiest and most thrilling experiences of my life that I will always cherish and never forget.. To sum up: Thank you so much, George Lucas, for taking me to your galaxy far, far away... Words can never express the utter joy and happiness that your 6 STAR WARS films have given me.., and continue to give me to this very day... And in particular, thank you so much for that life-altering experience that you gave me when I walked into that movie theatre in the summer of 1977 to see "that far-out space movie", aka: THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE! ...It's odd to think a that a mere movie could have that kind of power to change one's life in such a profoundly positive way... but I'm proof that one can. P.S. Just think, things could have gone VERY DIFFERENTLY and HORRIBLY WRONG that day if I had instead gone to see some "awful piece of dreck" that was also playing in theatres at that same time... like Tentacles ("Yikes!")... or Viva Knievel ("Ouch!") I HOPE THAT MY LIFE EXPERIENCE STORIES ABOUT SW HAVE HELPED YOU RE-EVALUATE YOURS... WE CAN ALL AGREE OR DISAGREE ON WHAT IS GOOD STAR WARS AND WHAT IS BAD STAR WARS... THAT'S FINE... BUT NEVER STOP LOVING IT... WHAT A DEPRESSING THOUGHT! THAT 10 YEAR OLD KID WHO WALKED OUT OF THAT MOVIE THEATRE IN 1977 WOULD NEVER EVER WANT TO HEAR ANYONE EVER SAY THAT! JUST EMBRACE WHAT YOU LOVE... AND IGNORE WHAT YOU DON'T... BUT NEVER STOP LOVING IT! GEORGE LUCAS' GIFT TO THE WORLD IS TOO SPECIAL TO DO THAT! EMBRACE IT... CHERISH IT... TAKE JOY IN IT... PASS IT ON TO OTHERS... AND NEVER LET IT DIE... THANK YOU FOR READING THIS... MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU... AND PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE... NEVER STOP LOVING STAR WARS!!!!!!
I'm just realy sad and angry that Disney listend to all the angry fans while making The Rise of Skywalker. I loved The Last Jedi (and still do), but so many people hated it causing Disney to panic, scrapping all there plans for a logical sequel and replacing it with a mess of a movie that will 'please' all the angry fans. I always thought that the sequel trilogy would be the same as the prequels in the sense that they were hated at first, but grew on people after some time, but now they ruined it. They tried to please fans, but as a filmmaker this is something you should NEVER do, in the first place you should always make the movie you want to make/ that you think will be good. Fans will never be satisfied because there expectations are just to high, but give them time and they will appreciate it afterwards. But now, Disney and J.J. Abrams have made a trilogy without a proper, thought out story. I think fans would still appreciate a propper sequel to TLJ more then a weak course correction that just shuves fan service down your throte all the time in the hope that people would like it. I know that it's just a movie, but it just makes me so sad, to see creative people get scared like that and make a movie that they know is not the one they want to make, but they're just so frightened of there own fanbase that they do it anyway. They should have just made the movie they wanted to make, that way the fans would probably hated it when it came out, but over time, it'll grow on them. I hope Disney and J.J. Abrams learn from this
@@Ixiah27 You can never please Star Wars fans. He continued the story in the way he thought was fitting. And yes, subverting expectations was one of the things he wanted/ needed to do, because if the story goes the way you expect it to go, well than it's pretty boring isn't it
What in the World are you talking about ? People are angry at the shit writing, how is that in any way Toxic ? And where do you get the idea the Movies are written like shit because they tried to please angry fans ? Has it ever occured to you that the critique against EP 7 was justified ? And instead of taking their time with Ep 8, they rushed out the next movie, because the conveyor belt media factory is on a Time limit. And instead of learning from that as well, EP 9 gets even worse. Demanding that your raw steak gets send back isnt "Toxic" Complaining about the steak that comes back and is a piece of charcoal is not toxic. Being the waiter and getting angry because apperently the Customer cant make up their mind what kind of steak they want, thats toxic.
@@Ixiah27 Well... I guess I agree with you. EP 7 was verry lazy and tried to 'save' Star Wars from the prequels by just copying the originals instead of making someting differant and new, someting that would take Star Wars in a whole new direction. And because Disney wanted to release these movies in december, they had to be rushed out. But I still think that Rian Johnson did a good job (not perfect) with The Last Jedi. There is a verry good video on RUclips, I think it's called 'The Anti-Trilogy' that explains verry well how every movie tried to 'fix' the last one. And it also explains how The Last Jedi is the movie that George Lucas would have made, because it turns everything on it's head. With the prequels, George made Darth Vader, the most feared villain in Sci-fi, a horny teenager and turned Yoda, the wise and calm mentor into a cgi frog on steroids. At first fans hated it, but over time they grew to love George's dessisions. And what did Rian Johnson do...? He turned Luke, the forgiving, hopefull hero into a sad, defeated old man. What's the difference?? Why can't people, over time realise that this actually was a great way to continue the story?? Yes. These movies needed more time and needed to be planned out from the beginning. But I don't think we can blame Rian Johnson for trying to do something new and doing his best to make a compelling story out of a lazy cashgrab
*The fanbase isn't the problem, it's Disney Star Wars itself.* They're framing legitimate complaints as racism while lashing out at fans because they're morally and creatively bankrupt in every way that matters!
When the Kenobi trailer came out, I saw people in the comments saying racist things about Reva. I didn't take offense to the actress's comments because I knew it wasn't *me* she was talking about. You have a problem with Reva one-shotting the Grand Inquisitor? Fine. But that's not the "fan" complaints that the actress was talking about.
Right on! Well said. It's so blatantly obvious, I don't understand what the f#*k people don't get about what you said. Creativity and imagination are dead, and these people watch movies as if they were zombies borne from that deadness.
Star wars fans make me not want to be a Star wars fan at this point. They complain about not having content then when they get the content they complain about the content.
We don't have everything. We mostly just hate garbage. If you bother actually engaging in the topic, you'll find near-universal love for the OT, the Clone Wars series, KOTOR, Jedi Outcast/Academy, Revenge of the Sith, Rogue One and the non-filler episodes of Mandalorian. And that's just off the top of my head. The problem isn't Star Wars fans. The problem is people who think Star Wars fans will fellate anything just because it has the franchise name.
But the Star Wars fans discussed in this video are so obnoxious, why would anyone want to engage in the topic in any way other than questioning or calling out their behavior?
The sad part is fandoms are where fans of common things get to come together to discuss and enjoy these things together. But with Star Wars, the less I interact with the fandom, the more I enjoy being a fan.
facts, I go onto youtube after i watch something starwars, and all i see is "why the show is bad". all they do is show normal scenes of characters, and then pretend to be outraged.
Facts
Same. The new shows are amazing. These people don't even try to watch or understand the theme or the story. They just conditioned themselves to hate it and that's what they're trying to do. They sit there to find a scene they don't like ''hurr this stormtrooper took 1 step too much'' ''hurr plott'' because they can't get themselves to allow these new shows to have the benefit of the doubt of being fiction like they do with the OT. If you sit and try to find something to hate, either it be some narrative decision to help the protagonists or a small logical mistake then you will find issues with every movie, show, cartoon whatever out there. If the OT came out today they would shit on it more than the current ones due to all of its problems. Remember all the flack Obi Wan got because the lightsaber bounced off something? It did so in the OT too. The hyprocrisy.
Same, I think the Star Wars fandom is one of the worst fandoms out there
The Internet fandom is where it’s the absolute worst. However as one who has attended two Star Wars Celebrations, it’s a whole lot different when you actually see real life people celebrating and coming together in shared passions.
I generally avoid Star Wars opinions on the internet and keep those for real life conversations. Hate-watching the franchise seems to get more ad revenue, hard to tell genuine opinions on anymore.
I like all Star Wars. Don’t listen to others opinions. They over exaggerate
Yeah, they're whiney bitches. I did not like Episodes 8 and 9 from the main saga, but I just kinda dealt with it in my head canon and moved on to other star wars movies and shows that I like, and I've liked more than I've disliked so far. They over exaggerate and everything is a "world ending problem." They're afraid of lore and canon growing and so things are immediately a "loophole" or "breaks canon" but you really just find out these fans are terribly uncreative and unimaginative and blame the writers because they can't perceive how it works or aren't willing to accept that it does.
I mean Disney break cannon multiple times in the sequels and spin off shows is that not important?
@@GhostwalkerSparrow no man, don’t think about it. Just consume product and then get excited for the next product. That’s all these NPCs need to feel satisfied.
@@Red-zh7vq then call fans racist and sexist yeah yeah I get it haha
I agree I remember the Clone Wars got hate too during its early days. People getting mad about Ahsoka. Saying she’s an annoying and blah blah, then fast forward a few years, people now love her.
love her, the series AND THEN be toxic about it. God help me if clone wars fans are not the most elitist entitled bastards on the internet, they literally compare everything to clone wars and jerks filoni off like he's a saint even though clone wars has some flaws that people seem to ignore. Wish i can hex star wars fans with eternal itch inside their rectum
What makes Ashoka so likeable is she matures as the series goes on. People seem to hate “character development”
Yeah hypocrisy is real. They hated the force awakens cause it was just a copy of A New Hope and hated Kylo Ren for being a whiny baby.....and now they all love it cause they hate the second and third sequel movies.
Except Ahsoka was literally written to be hated at first. She was made to be a bratty kid talking down to these characters we’ve loved for so long and giving them dumb nicknames. And then she experiences the reality of the war and matures real fast, which is why people love her now. Its not a hypocrisy thing, Ahsoka was written to get that type of reaction and development.
@@fallen4life080 all 3 are terrible sorry.
I remember Star Wars hate from the 90s even before the prequels. It’s been a problem for a long time. You see, SW fans love the IDEA of Star Wars, but they hate the actual execution of that idea.
Execution is a pretty strong word if we're talking about Disney SW.
SW plot of the original 3 episodes looks like written by a 8yo kid who just ate too much sugar. It is insanly childish. If any adult thinks these are the best movies ever made, then he is not the sharpest pencil around to begin with...
@@noldo3837 movies are far more than plot. A great movie can have huge plot holes but if the pacing, characters, score, sound effects, etc distract the audience enough then viewers won’t question it. At least not in the first viewing.
I wouldn’t say the OT is three of the greatest movies of all time. I’d say it’s two of the greatest movies of all time and a muppet movie with a cool space battle.
@@noldo3837 that’s saying something since the prequels and sequels are even worse.
Lucas said SW is written for kids Anyway
@@bigsnacks913 * most SW movies in general
So true!! I keep seeing in my RUclips recommendations videos saying that "everthing from Disney Star Wars is awful!! It's a insult to George Lucas and the fans!!" Really?!? Everthing since Disney acquired Star Wars sucks? They can't see one good thing from all the movies or TV shows? It's almost like half the fanbase has given in to hate and has fallen to the dark side.
This is so accurate lol, it's like the star wars fandom is having a real life sith-jedi war, but fuck it im on the Jedi side now, I'm not gonna bind my opinions to these losers assumptions on everything. The sequel trilogy had cringey moments but I personally think it was good, I don't care anymore lol
I haven't liked anything Disney star wars related. I gave it a chance but it was just boring weird. I don't even like star wars to begin with, my friends just told me to watch it.
Yup agreed.
@@primeoctober “only a sith deals in absolutes”
The dark side is definitely real and it shows through the toxic "fans"
Thank you! Lately my RUclips suggestion is flooded with people hating on Kenobi for the littlest things. Makes me question whether there are any sane people out there.
- “This show sucks!” Dude, it’s only the first and second episode!
- “Bait and switch!” Where?!!!
- Ewan shows his support for Moses Ingram. “Star Wars is calling EVERYONE racist!”
I saw a video where a "former network executive" slammed Ewan for it and i had to say "Dude its a co-worker, you'd do the same, regardless of it being Disney or not!"
There's more star wars now that Disney own it so you think fans would be happy but no toxic fans complain a complain and there supposed to be fans but all they do is hate on everything lol
@@anthonylambert1513 yeah but what's the point of how much Star wars it is if the quality of it is terrible.
@@anthonylambert1513 Quality > Quantity
5 episodes. Show sucks.
Star Wars. You will never find a more wretched fandom of hate and misery.
The reason why people end up hating these properties so passionately is because they base their whole identity and happiness on them. People's psychological well being should never be tied to the latest entertainment product.
Or maybe, just maybe they are tired of getting shit movies and TV shows over and over and over,
after a while, you get fed up.
Also, if "because they base their whole identity and happiness on them" is true, what does that say of people defending this shit ?
Why do you and this channel care what others think ?
You are not a Star wars fan, i mean they all are Toxic.......
That’s also true for the toxic positivity of the Star Wars fanbase. People get mad that others criticized the most recent Star Wars product because they identify themselves with Star Wars. So when someone criticizes it, they take it as a personal attack upon them.
Exactly. For one there is no franchise or property that exist that every movie or television show is a home run. That would be like a sports fan expecting his team to go undefeated every year and win the championship every year and if they don’t they’re going to hate that sports team for the rest of their life.
You are correct I think just small vocal minority besides not having anything else to be happy about in life whether it’s Star Wars or DC comics or Marvel or whatever, their entire life is based around one of these properties and that’s not really healthy at all. And yeah I love Star Wars, I love Ghostbusters, I love DC comics, but just because there’s a bad episode or a bad movie does not mean someone went back in time in inappropriately touched my childhood and that actors need to get death threats or have racist messages sent to them online. Fans like that are people that really truly have no life outside of the franchise that they have made a God in their life.
@GrantKP True, these fanboys are projecting a lot here in the comments. How dare anybody criticize my precious Star Wars!!
That's a very good point. People are clinging to entertainment for emotional needs the same way they used to cling to religion or patriotism.
it is so crazy to see the internet just collectively switch opinions on certain movies
I started following internet movie culture in part thanks to this channel back in 2015. I remember when Star Wars 7 came out, it was literally treated like the second coming of Christ. and then before last jedi came out, it was suddenly the worst movie ever
And the weirdest is with the andrew garfield spidey movies. 5 years ago those movies were considered bottom of the barrel for comic book movies and at the time, my opinions were easily swayed by the internet. I still kind of liked TASM 2 as it is a really nostalgic movie for me. then when no way home released, andrew garfield movies were treated like they were amazing (how did that happen??)
Hivemind. One guy screams this is bad, and the silent audience jumps on the notion, when the hivemind stays dormant for a few years, another guy screams this is good.
So many movies were shat upon when they released, now they're considered cult classics.
Stars Wars Prequels, Starship Troopers are great examples
I don't remember ever hating TASM, but I did found it boring when compared to Sam Riami films. The only thing I truly loved about them was Time Square scene with the Electro and more importantly, I loved his theme song.
No way home targeted all those little gay anti social pricks that were born in 16’ and Beyond
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"So many movies were shat upon when they released, now they're considered cult classics.
Stars Wars Prequels"
I like some evidence of that, 2 people on a random board are not "Hivemind"
@@Ixiah27 it was far more than 2 people
Because they naively think that a new film or TV show in the franchise they grew up loving is going to make them as excited and enthralled as when they were kids. It’s a like a 40-year-old expecting their birthday or Christmas to be just as awesome as when they were kids. It’s never going to happen. They do nothing but set themselves up for disappointment with astronomical expectations that can never possibly be met, and they can never realize the thing to do is just move on and find something else to be interested in.
@@Clipzilla42 Because they keep watching whatever new things come out. The same people who keep complaining about Star Wars don’t seem to be able to find anything else to be interested in.
@@Clipzilla42 it isn't. The guy doesn't know how to answer your questions.
@@Clipzilla42 Why would you bother watching something that you expect to be bad? If you don’t like anything they produce, you would logically have no interest in whatever else they come out with. But that’s not the case. You keep watching what they produce and find fault in everything. You keep hoping something new will come along that you like, but it never comes, and you lack the ability to move on from the franchise.
@@VladDascaliuc Sorry you can’t understand a very basic argument. Do you need me to dumb it down for you?
@@Clipzilla42 People love endlessly bitching about things they’ll never like, no matter who the writer is. Nothing will satisfy them, because their standard for enjoyment is recreating the childhood experience, as I previously described. These are the people, many of whom as children loved the prequel films, while adult fans tore those movies to absolute shreds for the bad writing, bad acting and everything that failed to live up to their childhood experience of loving the original trilogy. So this isn’t new. It’s been happening since 1999.
Nice, summed up my thoughts perfectly. It’s not the end of the world, the minute I stepped back and realized that my obsession was causing more problems than benefits I just stepped back. I can enjoy the clone wars season 7 the last Jedi and the mandalorian equally, but dislike the rise of Skywalker and not really lose sleep over it. Life’s just easy like that.
No no Noooo how dare you you have to hate it for the rest of your life, let it consume you!! 😂
Aka I only gave a shit about Star Wars when Disney started manufacturing it on a conveyor belt so none of this shit really meant anything to me in the first place
I mean my first Star Wars film was the phantom menace on VHS, and I watched empire religiously growing up but ok 😂
@@calebc7858 then you would think you’d give a shit about Disney constantly ruining Luke Skywalker
@@Red-zh7vq only if I thought they did. I love Luke in the Last Jedi, and it’s easily my favourite film outside the original trilogy. Your opinion is yours.
I’m biased because I love the sequels. But even if you don’t like the story or characters you have to admit the cinematography, music, acting, effects are amazing
I don't really hate the Sequels, it was just rushed and didn't have a clear focus so for me I'm kinda saddened it couldn't have been even better, but I can still enjoy them especially Last Jedi and even Rise of Skywalker. When I left the threatre I was wanting more cause I thought it should have gotten a really long cut or another movie cause It was such a huge threat and kinda wanted to see Palpatine win plus Sith Troopers go so hard!!
@@pink_kino I have to agree they were rushed. That doesn’t stop me from loving the good parts about it. I can find bad stuff in any of the trilogies. I’m kinda hoping someday we get special editions of the sequels kinda like the OT
and i like the prequels because of the world building, and the fact that the part of the fandom im in is the military part of it.
It’s funny how people don’t realize that this cycle has been going on forever and will continue to happen. In 10 years everyone is going to collectively say the sequels were misunderstood and they will become beloved just like the prequels
Wrong, the prequels are shit, they are simply better when compared to the Sequels.
Also, i find it hard to believe that suddenly a overwhelming number of fans like the prequels.
So in order for the Sequels to be liked more, there needs to be another Trilogy thats even shittier.
And even for Disney, thats a tall order.
@@Ixiah27 You mean Lucasfilm. Lucasfilm produces everything, Disney distributes and releases them.
@@Ixiah27 The prequels aren't shit, there fucking amazing! They added so much to the Star Wars lore and perfectly summed up the rise of the Empire and Darth Vader. WTF is wrong with some Star Wars fans? The saying really is true, no one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. 🤦♂️
@@Ixiah27 this is how you lure a toxic fan, just say the prequels are good
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Ok Beta. :)
Honestly I feel like if writing quality isn’t up to standards then people have a right to point it out, especially if you’re passionate about storytelling and know that the medium can do better. I think the bigger problem is that these valid criticisms get lumped into ‘hateful’ rhetoric, when real hateful rhetoric exists out there. Like you said Twitter is a cesspool lol its hard to have genuine convos on there
@@MJWP2334 no duh
OT is good writing?
@@Shiro_dono yes lol. lightsaber fights may be boring but emotion in the ot is realistic.
@@thesenate668 Emotion in E4? Nah. Explain how Luke’s reaction to his parents and Leia’s entire planet. You can’t be serious. I’ll give you at least they tired much harder to act with emotion in E5 & E6.
@@Shiro_dono someone’s mad
I think it has something to do with these anti SJW channels, like nerderotic or geeks and gamers, and how they always promote negative perspectives to Disney Star Wars projects, dismissing everything they make as "woke" or "trash" (even when sometimes the project says otherwise) and how most kids are completely devoid of having their own personal opinion, and just get carried around and believe everything those types of channels say.
Right there with you on this. I have friends that I can no longer chat to about Star Wars and Marvel shows. Everything is just "bad, bad, bad" but they still watched it. What annoys me most about this is that when we were growing up we had no where near the quantity or in most cases quality of sci-fi shows to watch, now with a glut of such entertainment it's all just bad apparently.
“Everything is just “bad, bad, bad”” yeah. Because it is. “but they still watched it.” Yes. How else are we supposed to find out?
@@TheVagabond627 So, you watch a show in a franchise and afterwards all you can do about it is complain. You watch the next thing from the franchise and all you can do is complain. You watch a third thing from the same franchise and you complain again. Maybe stop watching?
@@kalebdaark100 yes. Because it’s shit!
@@kalebdaark100 Exactly
@@kalebdaark100 gatekeeping mentality. You are just a gatekeeper. What if that said fan not liked but loved marvel and starwars when the content was consistently good. But then new writers come on board and start to mess with the story telling and lore that of which was previously settup over a span of YEARS and of which you were invested? Then those writers start adding in their own political beliefs and narratives to these characters to the point the characters are changed and are no longer even the same characters.
Does said fan not have the right to criticise and point out these changes? Does said fan not have the right to complain after years apon years of built intrest? Nah you dont get to just say "stop watching then" because clearly you lack the ability to recognise the build up investment into those ips and characters. Maybe that said fan wants it back to how it was? And wants to share their opinions freely without getting called names, painted as racist, sexist or any othet ists or isms. The hate that you people blab on about was created by you, by the media and by the writers. When you get it then you cry. Reap what you saw
Unfortunately a group of RUclipsrs have found that over-the-top hatred brings in viewers. It's all about making money. Their content is basically a cesspool breeding ground for toxic fans. And toxic fans are the ones that normal people see the most. They're bringing us all down and they don't care.
Nerdrotic, Jadyn and so and. Critical Drinker as well to a certain extent but at least he argues his points with more conviction.
@@Muskateering And geeks and freaks all they have to say is “man good woman bad” and they get a ton of views which is crazy.
@@Muskateering dont forget that starwars girl
Conformist brainlet normies, you all act like they arent all making valid irrefutable points, not just about Disney Star wars but current media/ culture in general. Reducing these facts to "Hate" is what's really disgusting and disingenuous. Stick your heads in the sand and mindlessly consume subpar garbage riddled with malicious political propaganda, sit back as western civilization is purposely collasped around you by the globalist powers that be and their stooges in your home countries to forge their digital totalitarian system if you wish, but don't try to dismiss those have the balls to confront this shit for what it is. In the end they will be the ones who will pressure this current toxic marxist culture to change for the better by dishing out accountability, not you Ostriches.
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis" - Dante Alighieri
Can’t believe I use to sub to those fools. Geeks and Gamers especially argued with John Boyega on twitter, and like typical grifter fashion used his tweets to make a new video. They’re all literally grifters who generalize non stop.
I'm really glad they ignore most of the hate. It's refreshing to realize
As a Star Wars fan I have noticed the reason why some fans dislike anything Disney does with Star Wars is because it's not George Lucas making the product and they feel like all Disney does is disrespect everything George Lucas has done. Also theres political reasons why some fans dislike everything Disney does with Star Wars. All I care about as a fan is if I like the product and if it goes against lore. So far I have really liked Kenobi and most of current Star Wars.
Nothing that you’re saying is true tho. Most Star war fans hate the new stuff because it’s badly written. Just like the prequels are trash.
Literally Star Wars is one of the worst written franchises ever. Same thing goes for modern Star Trek. Most Star Trek fans hate the new Star Trek stuff because it’s full of bad writing.
@@damiantirado9616 It's not though. The only things that are really bad on a writing level is the Rise of Skywalker and Book of Boba Fett in the current run of Disney Star Wars. The rest of Disney Star Wars don't have severe writing problems to the point where they would be considered bad but there is a argument to be made that they break canon and disrespect George Lucas which I disagree with the breaking of canon part of that. It could be disrespecting George Lucas but that doesn't bother me that much cause all I am looking for is a good story not if it pleases the creator. If Lucas wanted to continue Star Wars then he should of kept the franchise. The biggest reasonings from what I saw from videos for why Disney of Star Wars sucks is because it goes against canon and George which someone like Star Wars Theory has made a good amount of videos talking about it.
@@CometStar100 I don’t care about George Lucas he ruined Star Wars along time ago with the prequels.
Disney Star Wars sucks too they do have bad writing. The force awakens isn’t a good film kid. It’s a bland copy of a new Hope, the only character that has character development is Finn. Apart from that all the characters in that movie are bland and dull.
The last Jedi has tons of terrible writing, same thing goes for Rouge One and Solo a Star Wars story which is incredibly stupid nostalgia bait movie.
You only enjoy the new stuff because of nostalgia. Kenobi is very badly written too.
The only thing that is good is the Mandalorian season one. But the Mandalorian season one isn’t great it’s okay at best. 7/10 type of show. The problem is Hollywood this days makes crap tv shows and movies that you people are so used to terrible and dull writing, so when Hollywood uses nostalgia bait you enjoy it, or when Hollywood makes the minimum effort at doing something interesting like the Mandalorian you think it’s a master when in reality it’s just average and amateur filmmaking.
In summary your expectations are so low due to trash filmmaking that an okay/average movie or tv show with nostalgia makes you feel like it’s a masterpiece cause it’s the best you’ve seen compared to the rest of the crap they have.
Edit: if you’re a true film fan and watch movies made in the past analyze them and watch movies this days you would know Hollywood makes pure trash this days. Especially Star Wars. I recommend you to watch Mr. Plinkett Star Wars reviews, you will learn a lot about filmmaking by watching those videos, probably the best Star Wars reviewer ever. Most RUclipsrs review Star Wars by using their nostalgia “hey look Han Solo showed up and I like him, movie is a 8/10” that’s not how you review a film. But most people only care about nostalgia this days so Hollywood doesn’t make anything better.
@@damiantirado9616 You really don't have to spam or make it be personal with comet star. This video just said don't let entertainment control your life because its just entertainment. Yet you make a full essay of hate. Why?
@@damiantirado9616 Did I say current run of Star Wars was a masterpiece? I said I enjoyed most of the new stuff to a certain degree. I liked TFA. I liked TLJ. I really disliked TROS. I loved Rouge One. I thought Solo was just ok. Mando has been pretty good so far. Book of Boba was really bad. Rebels was pretty good. Bad Batch was boring. Kenobi so far has been pretty good. Well I am speaking as a Star Wars fan where Star Wars is bigger then just movies. The best Star Wars story of all time is a RPG videogame called Knights of the Old Republic in my opinion. I love movies which is why I am subscribed to a ton of movie channels and I wouldn't say my expectations are super low cause I have disliked a lot of movies recently so I don't just blindly like everything I watch. Top Gun Maverick was the best movie I have seen in such a long time. I don't know what else to tell you other then I don't think they are so bad. They might not be as good as the OT in my opinion but I wouldn't call everything new Star Wars really that bad.
I really appreciate you making this video. I have always wondered why Star Wars was so controversial of late and your points on how the fans grow up and how the movies change really make sense. I was born right around when Revenge of the Sith came out so I got to watch all the Star Wars movies and animated series before the sequel trilogy came out. And when the sequels did come out I watched them in theatres. For me, I grew up watching all the movies so I generally like all of them. (Some I think aren't that good but they still have great moments.)
I also really like how you said it's just entertainment because that is the smartest thing you can say in this instance.
This used to be more than just cookie cutter bullshit. Storytelling isn’t just content, it’s art. It should be good, it should mean something. You just roll over take whatever Disney gives you.
@@Red-zh7vq uhhh, so what? I like Disney, so yeah I'm going to watch what they give to us to watch. I'm not going to be overly negative with whatever it is, even the worst pieces of entertainment have something good to say about them.
Look, I know you're trying to start something and make me angry or something, so this is the only thing I'm going to say. You are right, storytelling isn’t just content, it is art too. But in the end whatever piece of entertainment you didn't like, (especially Disney I'm guessing), they still got the last laugh because you watched it and gave them money. ;)
Have a good day
@@tigerseye8875 so you’ll eat whatever turd Disney shits out if it’s got that Star Wars label on it. That’s all I need to know.
@@Red-zh7vq 'storytelling is art' 'it should be good'
mf doesn't even know what art is.
its subjective.
such a sad way to reply to someone
@@tigerseye8875 OMEGA based.
As a star wars fan I can confirm that most star wars fans just hate everything for some reason
Toxic Star Wars fans are one of the worst fans
No one hates badly told Star Wars stories more than Star Wars fans🤷♂️
I can't think of a worse fanbase.
@@KingSlayer_.Yet they never create content.
Some people’s entire internet ‘brand’ is ‘hating’... that’s their reason for being on social media, and for some, their livelihood...THOSE PEOPLE SUCK, and are why we can’t have nice things...
And some peoples entire internet ‘brand’ is "white knighting"
The sequels are the most successful Star Wars movies until today. Therefore they are the most popular ones. Many, many people went and watched them in the theaters worldwide. Those who hate them belong to a small, but very loud majority. That’s all.
HAHAHA you HAVE to be joking. Most real star wars fans (people who like them belong just the movies) don't like the sequels. A lot of the people who watched them were non-fans who watch the big thing. The sequels were trash and not even the kids who watched them like them enough to buy the toys (where most of the money comes from)
Before it wad the Disney era SW that "ruined everything" it was the prequels. And before that it was the Special Editions. And before that it was the Ewok movies. And before that it was Return of the Jedi. And before that it was the Holiday Special. Star Wars has always been a mixed bag in terms of quality, but every new generation seems to forget that. Star Wars has always been both awesome - AND kind of cheesy.
The thing is that we should've learn from the mistake of the past and not repeat them again.
It is like an endless cycle, which reminds me of what a character from a Star Wars show said.
That hate was always there, it's just that each generation refuses to remove the nostalgia googles and see Star Wars as it really is: dumb but fun popcorn flicks.
This video honestly deserves all the likes in the world. It boggles my mind that this fan base ignores the history of the backlash of the prequels and continue to indulge in the hate today
I’m a Star Wars fan and I’m completely chill about everything. I’m not hating on stuff but why is my fandom so rude man….
One of my least favorite things about the fandom is The Force. Because here’s the reality, the Force works however the writers want.
There’s no “In book x, character y says the force is z”. If the writer wants the Force to work differently, it will. There’s good examples like the Old Republic and bad ones like Rise of Skywalker.
Oh god, I know how you feel. I remember how triggered everyone got when that one character from ashoka was learning how to use the force even though she wasn't force sensitive before and everyone started going "SHE CAN'T DO THAT!! REEEE!! THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS YOU HAVE TO BE BORN FORCE SENSITIVE!! REEEE!!
This is an issue of internal consistency. The Force working differently in every story is a major brand problem. One of the promises with the canon reset was better consistency, but given that it's been less consistent, it makes the canon reset seem like an even worse decision. They really need a continuity team.
That said. There's a difference between consistency in how the Force works, and different characters having different abilities. The issue with Sabine is as much about character inconsistency as Force inconsistency. But internal consistency is an issue of quality and good writing, particularly in science fiction and fantasy settings, and Star Wars straddles those two genres.
It really doesn't matter how Hyperspace works, except it needs to work that way consistency to maintain the suspension of disbelief. If you don't want to work within the rules of given universe, just go write something original and don't call it Star Wars.
Whenever I hear the fandom complain about how the new content isn’t good, All I’m really hearing is:
“Screw your themes, Screw your messages, Screw whatever your trying to get across, Screw your deep themes, Screw the human element of these characters, and Screw expanding upon your world building and character development, we just want mindless action for the sake of mindless action and fan service even if it doesn’t make sense. It’s just a superhero franchise, not some Oscar material, so stop trying to act like it’s adult or deep or something.”
And as long as the fandom keeps this up, the content of the franchise will get better while the fandom will just get worse.
That’s hilarious, this is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen
@@DagothUr69 are you agreeing with me?
Your not wrong
Holy shit, thank you for making this video. I’m sick of people ( especially “Star Wars youtubers”) over-exaggerate when it comes to Star Wars shows, for instance the Kenobi show. Tbh the show is decent so far, it’s not great but it’s not terrible either.
Edit (June 23rd, 2022): I still stand by what I said. I give the show a 6.5 out of 10.
I'm liking the Kenobi series so far, but apparently according to all of my recommended videos it's the worst thing that happened to media
@@Rockden Well that pretty much proves my point lol.
@@Rockden don't worry the future generation might love it soon like they did with the prequels
ESPECIALLY THAT STAR WARS GIRL....... On You Tube. I M Like Could You WRITE IT Or Film IT BETTER.
@@Rockden I ENJOYED THE BAD BATCH.
That's pretty spot on dude, must admit though when force awakens came out I was super excited saw it and hated it, it was literally a reskin of a new hope. Everyone I spoke to defended it for some stupid reason, last Jedi, and rise of Skywalker came out and now those same people now say "they never liked the sequels and that all three are terrible" it's also amazing how much people's opinions shift to go with the current flow of internet culture. 😂
I totally feel the same way... People say they want something new but always complain when they get something that doesn´t feel exactly like the old movies. I know that The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker aren´t the best movies but I enjoyed them far more than episode 7 because it wasn´t just a copy of A new hope. (And I loved the return of Palpatine and the introduction of Exegol)
I didn’t like rise of skywalker at all when I first saw it and then something weird happened and it’s now my favorite of the sequel trilogy.
@@bryansteele832 is it because its hilariously awful?
@@Tom-nc5qv I'm not sure. I think its because the new cast are actually doing stuff instead being semi bystanders. Since the story is totally forced there was attempt to actually make some lore and intrigue. I totally see its faults....buts it's also a lot more fun to watch than the previous 2. Force awakens is kind of boring once the guavian death gang shows up, and in TLJ the A story is amazing but the B & C stories are flat. The sequel trilogy just is what it is. It's not getting retconned or remade so whatever issues I had with it I'm over it. I like what I like in it and do not like what I do not like. Moving forward.
@@bryansteele832 that's fair enough dude, each to their own I guess. I personally felt as the the story/plot line for the movies was crap, almost like they hadn't actually put any real effort or thought into it at all. Also Rey and Kylo are some of the worst writing for characters I've seen for a long time, their when arc made no sense and neither of them really end up accomplishing anything at all by the end of the movies.
This is so true about almost everything these days. It gets so toxic. Like the reaction currently on Chris Pratt as Mario. Or the black casting and other changes to LOTR. People cannot deal with change. It really doesn't makes sense. Wish people would just let these people of media be what they are entertainment, not religion 🤣
There are two wolves fighting inside me, one thinks people should be able to like what they like and leave them alone, the other wants me to be very vocal about how much I dislike new starwars
Let it out
Let it out, as long as you are not hostile be vocal about things you dislike all you want
In all honesty it’s the vocal minority that gives the fanbase a bad name. Vast majority of Star Wars fans don’t go online and harass actors and creators. Because I’m pretty sure a good portion realize it’s fiction and don’t need to feel like they need to post everything online
If star wars was gatekeeped earlier none of this would have happened
I'm one of those rare people that enjoys (not loves), but enjoys everything related to Star Wars. Idgaf if a person doesn't like or care about a certain project or anything, but it's the fucking toxicity that really pisses me off and has been for years and I'm so glad you finally said something about it! It's so annoying! It's like I can't like anything anymore! It's so annoying and utterly ridiculous being bullied because I like a stupid franchise that I've loved for years. Opinions are subjective. They always have been. Like what you like. Dislike what you dislike and come to a respectful disagreement. Simple as that.
im same way, i love watching this show even the newer movies, im not a fan of rey and her character development but i love seeing han and chewy back and the new star destroyers and troopers love all that
Exactly, they always are rude anything new comes out that isn’t the OT. It needs to be perfect
@@jpogs6976 Exactly
I CANT WAIT To See The New Asoka Show ⭐️ Rosario Dawson & NATASHA LIU BORDIZZO As Sabine Wren.
It's cool that enjoy everything, but you agree that most of it is terrible, right? Because I'm pretty sure that nobody really cares about you liking or disliking it, and it's usually when going into its quality when issues arrive.
No one hates star wars as much as star wars fans, this is coming from a star wars fan
Exactly
Yes, but, you know why that is? I think the answer is easy enough to see. Lucas had a great vision in the beginning, which after the first two films started to change. Then he sold it all to Disney who usually aren't making SW shows with any of Lucas' vibe. So we've ended up with a range of different 'vibes' which different people have really, really fallen for. Then some portion of the fan base is bound to end up unhappy when the next movie or series to come out doesn't give them more of what they want.
Compare this to the Harry Potter series of novels (just the first lot). You had one writer, with a consistent vision and story she wanted to tell from start to finish. Because the vision was always consistent, the fan base never got split (to any degree like the SW fan base). In other words, I don't think the fans are especially bad - I just think they've each fallen in love with different phases of this fictional universe, and they can't get their fix anymore because Lucas didn't have the ideas or motivation to keep going in the same vein as he started.
for some reason star wars fans hate everything untill they feel nostalgic and re watch and all of a sudden its the best damn thing in the world
I think the final straw with me with most toxic fandoms when they start to look down or even insult people who enjoy something out of a franchise that they like. To the point they hold their opinion over others so high that it's somehow superior.
Star Wars fans are slowly having that attitude and tbh they need to look in the mirror.
Oh I wholeheartedly agree! People can like and dislike what they want, within reason. But the moment someone belittles another based on difference of opinions or controversial opinions, then they are witch-hunted, bullied, harassed and threatened. Not just Star Wars, but also Batman Fanboys too and anime fans. Ironically, many of these franchises and styles of movies teach about doing good things and being a hero without the need for violence, yet the fans act like the villains.
If thats only a problem with Star Wars fans, who do you complain to ?
This Channel ?
If hes not a Star Wars fan, why even make that video ?
Also Toxic fandom ?
Show me any and i mean ANY fandom that doesnt have fanatics, im waiting.
I guess you are fine with mediocrity. If you can have Lord of the Ring's quality why would you condone "Rings of Power" mediocrity?
I agree that "hating" is not productive, but condoning mediocrity is bad for cinema and the stories they use as base.
Tolkien spent decades writing a marvelous world only to have Amazon change everything he meant..
Disney did the same with Star Wars, they created bad plots, and didn't treat the property with the historic respect it deserved.
7:07 Kenobi had those goggles on because he was in a chemical lab, where wearing goggles is a safety measure. Stuff like that is easy to understand if you're paying attention.
I love everything but 8 & 9, clone wars move and maybe solo, but for the most part I love star wars
i respect that. i think 8 was extremly boring and 9 the worst star wars movie but i dont care about it too much, i just move on with my life. its good you liked it.
Cannot find the words to express how well you describe the way I feel about being a Star Wars fan. Love watching it but hate watching older toxic fans try to destroy it and any positive emotions for it
Star Wars fans don’t understand why they enjoy it to begin with.
They’re just gatekeeping neckbeards who don’t want people to enjoy. They’re already trashing the mandalorian movie and it hasn’t been out yet.
Uh, no. The true star wars fans are tired of Disney trash and Disney shills like you
I'm staying as far away from Internet discussion about the Kenobi series as possible, but one thing I did see is a short about how the choreography in the lightsaber duels has gotten so bad, when one of the fights shown in the "positive" section is the Dooku duel from Attack of the Clones, which a lot of other fans consider to be the worst fight in the series.
So far I'll admit that Kenobi isn't the masterpiece I was hoping it would be, but it's definitely not the worst thing ever.
Agreed.
It’s the Reva show lol
@@GhostwalkerSparrow How?
@@sweetkinglore because Reva feels more important the old Ben? Obiwan is dragged through the mud while Reva is praised for being the bestest ever... and oh she was secretly on the good side all along except she doesn’t seem like a hero. Not at all...
@@GhostwalkerSparrow How does she feel more important then OBI?? We're following him, not her. When does Obi get dragged, at all? And Reva is an interesting character, where did you get people thinking she was the best?
Thank you. We should be able to like what we like without all the hate. That's all I ever wanted.
We should be able to criticize the things we hate without all the white knighting. That's all I ever wanted.
@@Ixiah27 liking things is white knighting now?
@@Hotlmao
Oh, liking something, no.
But videos like these here arent exactly that, arent they ?
First they suggest "The Fans" hate everything, which of course raises the question, isnt the guy who makes this vid also a Fan ?
Already the generalization breaks down.
Then it assumes that Disney, a Billion Dollar Corporation that never gave a fuck about anything, if you look into their recent Tv and Movie history, was so afraid of SW to fail that they.......what exactly ?
Gave the _Trilogy_ to a guy who is infamous for being unable to write endings, looked at the Story and realized that there is no setup for part 8 and 9 and said:
"Yeah, thats what the Fans demand, we nailed it"
Sorry, but pointing all of this out and asking why the hell guys like this channel here are White Knighting for a Faceless Corp that doesnt give a shit, thats not
"Toxic Fandom" thats simply being done with Cucks who defend shit Media.
@@Ixiah27 the thing is most of the star wars fandom does hate everything and he even said that he likes ufc but when his favorite fighter loses his whole day is ruined just like how star wars fans act and ignoring 8, 9, and BOBF star wars is doing decent mando and andor is good, kenobi is meh, fallen order is good, clone wars and bad batch is also good
@@Hotlmao
And that is based on what ?
Im serious, "most SW Fans hate everything" ?
Realy ?
Can i state that you owe me money and then u have to pay it, just like that ?
Kenobi isn’t a perfect show but Jesus Christ it’s only been five episodes and people are acting like it’s the last Jedi all over again. The things some people are complaining about are just plain stupid. Like that Riva character. She’s not even that bad! And the actress does a fine job.
“It’s only been five episodes” bro the series is six episodes long.
The series was a joke. It focused on a never-existing relationship between Kenobi and Leia--and added a duel with Vader that means Kenobi is now responsible for the death of millions--both cases which water down "A New Hope" terribly. "Kenobi" is the epitome of Disney "Star Wars": consume our product, like it or be labelled an -ist or -ism.
@@KennethDillard Kenobi was responsible for millions of deaths with or without the Kenobi show.
You forget that Obi Wan also didn't kill Anakin during ROTS so he's still culpable anyways
@@KennethDillardinteresting, what are your opinions on the biochips?
@@KennethDillardIt's treason, then.
Thank you for this! It's been so exhausting lately seeing all this like whenever the og trilogy and prequels are shown next to the sequels, 9 times out of 10 you'll see "oh those ones don't exist" or "I only see 6 movies here" like okay you don't have to like them but there's people that do and they shouldn't be attacked. I was literally told to kill myself for being a sequel fan I just want to talk about these movie experiences with fans without having to worry about all that negativity. I wouldn't mind them saying this or that wasn't their thing I just want to talk about star wars again may the force be with you
@@TheWrestlingful respect your opinion, but I will still keep mine! Enjoy what you like about Star Wars and I'll do the same with respect :)
I'm sorry but the " people like them so they shouldn't be attacked" argument is a really bad point because when the franchise has lost so much money, fans, and reputation because of these movies no amount of a "few" people like them is going to change the fact that no one will probably care about the sequels in 20 years like the OT or even the prequels.
@@franks2796 I get what you're saying all I'm saying that disliking something and bullying someone for liking something you don't are different it's perfectly okay to dislike things but when you're attacked for being a fan of it that's really not okay, it's fine you don't have to love these films at the end of the day all I'm saying is you don't wanna hear someone tell you that you're a dumb piece of sh*t for at least enjoying something that's all
@@franks2796 Maybe, but there are movies that didn't do so well in theaters and then became cult classics later. Perhaps the same will happen with the Star Wars sequels.
I'm pretty confident that they won't cause the OT and even the prequels have lots of fans and support by lucasfilm, it really feels like even Disney wants to forget about the sequels.
I‘ve been in many fandoms and just recently rekindled my love for Star Wars and I have to say that this is the first fandom that annoys me so much that I actively try to avoid it in order to enjoy the content. The Kenobi show has some flaws, as every Star Wars movie has, but I enjoy it a lot. The vocal hateful fans are embarrassing and annoying and it makes me so sad that the actors are gonne be more aware of their opinion than the ones of those who love it, but are not spending 24/7 on Twitter developing stomach uclers over pointless discussions.
Seems to me you're vocalizing your hate right now - notice anything?! 😉
what makes it so much worse is that they're mostly adults who act like this, if it were young cringey kids then thats fine but these are grown ass adults treat star wars as either the second coming of christ or the death or entertainment and switch between them on a dime.
Funny, im more annoyed by all the massive amount of defenders who cant stand that someone doesnt praise
a bad Movie or Tv Show.
So just never complain about anything, just eat the garbage, never refuse to pay for the next Swill, thats how you get a better product, sure.....
@@Ixiah27 Nobody cares, Jeremy. You’re not as smart as you think you are
@@Kirdo-6241
Sure, whatever you say, internet tough guy. :)
I just don't like how my favorite characters are being mishandled and disrespected to build up your new movies characters.
You view it as that.
Without the new movies I wouldn’t love the Original characters as much as I do now.
I just don’t get the need to be so crazy negative. When I saw Rise of Skywalker, I just moved on for my life and just didn’t accept it as my SW canon.
You processed your dislike for a movie in a healthy way? HOW DARE YOU.
😂 I mean it’s the halo show, it’s Star Trek it’s Star Wars it’s lord of the rings.
Like all media and big franchise are ruined the same way. You are just moving on to get a later dick slap in the face. You are just accepting that it will stay shit. Which is fine but like that’s just giving up your standards.
Anyone can do that it’s eady
Honestly, good idea.
Just consume and then exited about next Product.
@@Ixiah27just endlessly complaining about each and every product before and after they get released like it's your life's mission.
Glad to say the only sort of Star Wars Media I’ve actively consumed and talked about is The Mandolorian, which happens to be the one current day Star Wars media that people don’t send each other missiles over.
You have said everything I have been saying for the last 5 years. More people who are showing hatred towards a dang media franchise need to watch this video and STOP being so rude & insufferable.
ESPECIALLY These Fools Who WANTS MARVEL STUDIOS Too Fail And I M Like WHY Phase Four ISN T THAT Terrible MY Goodness Some OF People GET On MY Nerves.
Most people are conformists and Hollywood knows it. The pathetic part of this discussion is that it ultimately leads to bad quality.
Fans are quick to respond to greatness, as Top Gun 2 has demonstrated. But condoning bad writing just creates more bad writing.
I find people were accepting of Force Awakens at first because while being too similar to the originals in beats, it had some possibilities for the future movies. Then the next movies came, and didn't do anything good with what it set up, and became worse after the fact.
The same with the prequels, they became better over time, in part due to how poorly the new movies were received and how much additional content that came in and added to them, via the Clone Wars and such.
Myself, although the majority of the new media from Disney has not been good to me, I also find that Andor is the single best Star Wars media that has come out, and Rogue One I found to be overall excellent.
You said a big part of the problem. You used to have to wait 3 years for SW, now there is new content everyday.
That's a big problem. They are making Star Wars just to make it now. They announce release dates before they even have a script and force it out in less than a year.
Disney is about quantity over quality. People are calling them out for it. It does not make them toxic. What makes the fandom most toxic from what I see are those too fragile to handle criticism of something they enjoy and lash out and mock those who have any valid complaints.
I Have to agree..I felt like I was suffocating in it the year Obi wan Kenobi, Book of Boba Fett, and Andor came out.
Most Star Wars fans are genuinely the most annoying, impatient little gremlins I’ve ever seen
Also it’s honestly hilarious watching these people say every time something new comes out they say they’re done with Star Wars and are never watching it again but when the next thing comes out they do the exact same thing again
Well, Lucas as well - self-centered egomaniac who does not accept any advice or critisizm, so in the movies end up things like Yoda, C-3PO, JarJar, Ewoks, rough sand, and a ton of terrible dialogues and lines... When Episode 1 was critisized, he locked himself on some farm and cut of contacts like a sulking kid...
@@noldo3837 he sold Star Wars out of spite and people then say “Ew CaThLiNe KeNaDy MaNiPuLaTeD hIm”
This is an important message, seriously. For all of us to step back from these franchises and relax.
The fact that you had “46 & 2“ playing in your video at 12 years old earns you some serious cool points.
46 & 2 is the song that plays in the trailer for ‘Captain America: The First Avenger’
Why do Star wars fans hate everything? The real simple reasons are these:
1. Woke politics: People are sick and tired of woke politics/agendas in their star war films. They want characters who are genuine which aren't based on their races or sexualities. It's not woke to cast a black woman, it's woke to use her as a stereotypical angry black woman and then make her the centerpiece of your show instead of the main character. People aren't there to see that woman, they are there to see the main character. People wanted to see Obiwan and Anakin scenes and interactions, that woman kept getting in the way of that. Obviously everyone hated her existence because of that and the massive amount of plot armor given to her. This is what all these diversity loons do not understand. As well as the whole "girls get it done" trope.
2. Bad writing which makes no sense. I don't think I need to explain this one.
3. The bashing of old characters. I don't think I need to explain this one either.
It's comments like these that make me hate this fanbase
Nostalgia it can make you or break you mostly break
Its very sad that things are seen as either great or horrible nowadays.
There are always gonna be problems but theres no reason to say its horrible as a whole
That's very true. It's a very black-and-white form of thinking, and it makes me sad that some people think that there can't be anything in-between. Some things are fairly good or decent, and just because someone likes them doesn't mean they think they are perfect or masterpieces. Not everything needs to be masterpieces or perfect.
Sure, just give participation trophies to everything. That's enabling shit.
@@ARandomInternetUser08 its called seeing the good in things and not being a negative person
@@Awesomeness42102 it's borderline impossible to see the good in something that's riddled with irl political bias.
@@ARandomInternetUser08 thats a you problem unfortunately
the biggest problem of starwars fandom is that it's too massive. massive enough that manorities of opinions can influence the media.
The wisest character on Star Wars said "Hate leads to suffering.", and what do the fans do? They suffer. Lesson not learnt then. To simply not like something is okay, to hate on something that is not even real, is just pathetic.
I tried testing the limits after saying how Vader was overrated in another comment section and they went insane
People are so invested because fans of sci-fi and nerdy things use them as means of escapism, so it’s really frustrating when your happy place is altered in way that does feel right. Which is obviously irrational
I don't remember who said it so credit goes to whoever did, but a comment on another video said that Star Wars is to be enjoyed alone and I concur.
i like ep 1-6 of skywalker saga and the mandalorian s1 s2 the most. i also like rogue one, solo, the book of boba fett and obi-wan kenobi. the only thing out of live actions that i dont like is the sequel trilogy but i respect if you like it because i dont care about opinions
Star Wars fans are so bad that they make Godzilla fans look sane in comparison
At this point, I honestly think it'd be best for Star Wars to just _end._
Star Wars fanboys are crybabies that they feel like there childhood is ruined there childhood. Even when some people didn’t like the hobbit movies, they didn’t say they rape the legacy of the books or ruin LOTR and that’s because Tolkien fans aren’t a bunch of crybabies.
@@reeseexplains8935Not a huge fan of the generalisation overall but I definitely agree with the statement.
@@TooSweet353 how is it a generalization a lot of the big Star Wars fans are crybabies.
Thanks for calling this phenomenon out. I tire of being part of supposed SW fan pages, only to be beaten over the head by Disney Haters (even though at times these same fans LOVE Andor, Mandalorian, Solo, Rogue One, Ahsoka...etc)... It's like people get way too worked up over their favorite characters, series, animated shows, movies, etc... I like it all...not equally, but it is Star Wars people. I didn't thoroughly enjoy and maybe was even disappointed with the Book of Boba Fett...I was a kid who grew up on ESB so I could have really been annoyed, but I've learned to let things go. I even found genuinely awesome moments like seeing Hutts or Rancors more developed. I have a similar awakening regarding sports...if my home team lost I would be upset all week...why? I didn't play the game, I didn't get paid either way. I am not trying to shame folks, but I honestly feel like with time and maturity you will come to appreciate more and more of the available SW content
The amount of people I've heard say that the sequel trilogy ruined Star Wars and that is the most stupidest thing ever told. Just because the new movies had a disappointing ending doesn't mean the entire franchise is ruined because of it. There's so much Star Wars content out there and they're not ruined because of one bad movie
Yeah but as the old saying goes one bad apple spoils the whole barrel.
The Sequels do pretty much ruin the series, as the Originals can no longer be enjoyed without the thought that, canonically, their victory means nothing at all. It took characters people liked and ran them through the ground. And no, it's not their ending, the Sequels are all terrible, from 7 to 9, with just few decent scenes throughout. They have no redeeming quality other than how they look, which is out of the money they had to work with.
@@VladDascaliuc remember when there was gonna be a Solo trilogy and an Obi Wan trilogy and a Boba Fett trilogy? i 'member...
@@VladDascaliucBruh really? People can't ignore movies they hate and view as non-canon to enjoy movies that they like. I mean that sounds a bit messed up.
This is exactly what I am wondering myself
Forced diversity and woke messaging vis-a-vis Lesbian Space Witches.
Bad writing vis-a-vis every episode of Acolyte.
I'm enjoying Kenobi very much! Screw these haters they always complain about every series or movie produced since 2015!
I wanna go watch it now
I'm a HUGE Star Wars fan, I love Rogue One, the TV shows (some are a little slow). I didn't like The Book Of Boba Fett that much. I LOVE LOVE LOVE The Clone Wars/Rebels/The Bad Batch and anything else SW animated!!!! Why do people HATE everything now? It's outrageous, it's unfair!
biggest issue with people now a days is the let others speak for them..
example, friend of mine he disliked obi wan new episode i asked what about it he didnt like, he goes and pulls up a youtuber who rants about it.
I asked why does his opinion matter ? i asked yours not his, and he answered my question then i watched the video he sent and he pretty much saying same thing as this youtuber.
people now a days dont think for themselves, they just loet others who they look up to and let them speak for them. people dont think for themselves anymore
What's wrong with using a video of someone who took their time to analyze the show and construct their thoughts as a way to explain yourself? Have you thought that, perhaps, the RUclipsr was making a good point and your friend simply agreed with him? Your friend's opinion is that he didn't like it, and to back it up he wanted to use someone who he thought did a better job at explaining it. "Where the points made good?" is really the only thing you should care about, not where the points come from.
@@VladDascaliuc Its something that has become a issue lately where people dont think for themselves, they let others do it for them.
Nothing wrong with listening to other people opinions on things but when you blindly agree just because its from someone you like is where its a issue.
critical thinking skills is slowly being removed and people just blindly listen and not think.
after all this i talked with my friend more n more we watched vids again and he learned the person he listened to later was wrong on many levels and now he wondering why he even listened to him to begin with.
As true today as it was two years ago, and I suspect will be true in the future. Thanks for the insight. I think people pay waaaay too much attention to pre-release press and obsess over every little detail that leaks and spin narratives and become obsessed with the drama before ever seeing the product. And while the products do have flaws, as do all human works, the backlash (for some people) has become as much a part of the fandom as the thing itself. And the older fans don't seem to realize that new fans are growing up and replacing them every day, and Star Wars really is supposed to be for the youth. That's why it pays to stay young at heart and enjoy it as it comes, rather than trying to impose your will on it. Wow, it really is a case of life imitating art.
7:06 If you read the WHOLE tweet, and not just the 4 words, you'd realize the criticism is about Obi-Wan opting to fist fight rather than just use the Jedi mind trick. The goggles are only an incidental detail.
He knows. He acknowledged that in a text box.
the frequency of material being released is at the heart of this...As a kid I waited years between my next installment...folks have stuff coming every month now..that is something to cry about???
Well said BHl
7:55 Winter Soldier predictions with “Forty Six & 2” playing ….I died 😂.
Really was speaking facts the whole video tho very well spoken and tbh didn’t feel rambly at all
46 and 2 played during the trailer for the first Captain America😂
@@SDfan2002 no way really?
@@Bugga-Ray-Dudley ruclips.net/video/W4DlMggBPvc/видео.html
This feels more like an early 2000’s trailer than a 2010’s trailer
What I don’t understand is the hate for making the casts more diverse and representative of the general population. I know I shouldn’t be at this point but I’m genuinely confused by the hate that any movie/franchise gets when they start to include more Black, LGBT, or female actors in the cast. Immediately it gets labeled as “social Justice warrior bullsh*t”. I mean, does a movie have to have all the characters be white in order for you to like it? If so…yikes! I don’t value those opinions at all. I’ve seen those people hate the new Star Wars and the new Star Trek series.
Just because you have non white straight or male characters doesn't make them interesting. You have to put in effort to make them more than their race gender and sexuality.
What makes a lot of 80s franchises stood the test of time is because they manage to transcend politics religion race gender and sexuality and speak to people on a human level. They were timeless.
And anything that tries to reflect the times or be modern for today isn't going to last long.
@@sunkenobi1501 Dude that’s not timeless.
@@Aristocratic13 ofc it is.
@@sunkenobi1501 Well to be honest timeless is a matter of opinion. So it’s subjective.
It's quite simple. Most of the time, the thought process behind including these diverse characters was "We need diverse characters", and that's it. There is no care for their character or acting, and there's no quality control for the story as a whole. People are also annoyed that these diverse characters are strategically used to deflect any and all criticism of the show, mudying the grounds by making any honest conversation of its quality preventively labeled as "-ist/-obe". It goes like clockwork.
You don't need to have black characters, or female characters, or LGBT characters. You need good characters.
My god! He's saying what we're all thinking!
Dude I hate the "SW RUclipsrs" all so negative. They might as well join geeks and gamers
Don't ask questions. Just consume product, then get excited for next product.
@@cowetascore8476 ironically you say that whilst just repeating everything RUclips grifters have trained you to say. Ffs next you’ll be one of those virgins who whines about “wokeness”.
It's funny how people rant and rage about new SW stuff, and at the same time defend the old SW content for the EXACT same stuff!
Because I was never a Star Wars fan, I feel like I can give an unbiased opinion that isn't tainted with the rose colored glasses known as nostalgia. I honestly think all the films, 1-9, spinoffs, and series are pretty good overall. Nothing exactly groundbreaking but nothing overly bad either. Average as a franchise, solid B- overall. Honestly I find the fandom menace so much more interesting(and groups that just want to hate on pop media stuff in general) It just seems so interesting to me on how so many people can expend so much energy on something that brings them such dissatisfaction. It astonishes me how much politics tends to shape it too, particularly identity politics. It's at the point I feel like people have more riding on disliking a Star Wars project rather then let themselves enjoy what they can. That's where I think grifters come in. They help feed into the rhetoric to make the angered fans feel more valid in their discontent , and then get views, clicks, revenue, whatever. It's a fascinating thing to watch in small portions but can get exhausting overtime viewing.
The ability to forget and forgive is seemingly bullcrap to these grifters. I hope I'm wrong tho
@Randy White To you and others, yes I suppose they are. For me, they were a fun afternoon. I'm not trying to diminish anyone's experience or devalue opinions. It's just to me, the entire Star Wars saga was equally fine. Original, Prequel and Sequel.
@Randy White okay. What’s the impact? story of good Vs evil? Chosen one story? Young orphan who is meant for more? Dungeons and Dragons in space? The money episode 4 made? Not denying that. What exactly are we talking about here?
@@MardonNaLouThe special effects
@@MardonNaLouIt did make the blockbuster possible but I agree in terms of writing (except maybe pacing-wise). There are a lot more solidly written films than the original trilogy.
The fandom is the reason why I only remain dedicated to the OG Trilogy in its unaltered state - a true lightning in a bottle that can never be captured ever again. The Sequels and Prequels along with the Special Edition changes just exist in their own universe for people who want to see more Star Wars. I actually liked what I seen from those films. But nothing will ever succeed that Original Trilogy and besides, the Skywalker Saga ended in 1983.
Star Wars fans hated everything for two reasons.
1) nostalgia. They have romantic views about his childhood and new content isnt so good because their fond Memories.
2) Disney content sucks. Its facts...its bad. In 30 years the people will still hate the sequels because its really sucks.
@Benji 64 Star Wars sequels sucks.
The new characters are boring and Rey is a Mary Sue.
They destroyed the OT characters and made all they fought for be destroyed.
The plot was lazy. TFA was a soft reboot of ANH.
So, its facts. The sequels need to be erased.
Love to see a star wars video BHL, great video keep up the great work.
The mere thought of being associated with these freaks is one of the many reasons I've never tried to watch even the original trilogy. If somebody invited me to watch them, I would do it only because it entered in history as one of the greatest franchises of the 20th century.
I don't blame you. Star Wars has a bad fandom and deserves it's awful reputation. Watch the movies, talk with people irl, but avoid online discourse like the goddamn plague.
fans my age actually watched the originals and the prequals at the same time and there is a reason why the prequals are liked more by the younger generation. nostalgia isn't involved because we watched them all at the same time.
I don't, I like quite a lot.
This is the reason I dropped out of discussions about SW. I dont like everything, but I dont spend energy hating anything. I love what I love and am indifferent to things I like less.
This was a very nice video and I like how you discussed this topic (rambling included). I have mixed feelings on it, because what is considered "toxic negativity" can be subjective, and I do get some of the fan frustrations. Your comparison is the MCU--how would you like it if, after Age of Ultron, every single MCU movie that was released was made with bad storytelling, weak CGI, ignored previous films and was clearly made without considering the fans?
The lead writer of Kenobi just admitted in an article that he didn't know whether or not Kenobi knew Anakin's Sith name, Vader. He had to ask another staff member at Lucasfilm film, Pablo Hidalgo. The only way you CANNOT know this information, is if you didn't bother watching Revenge of the Sith before working on the script for a series with a character from said movie, set closely in the timeline to said movie. It's said multiple times in the movie to Kenobi.
I try to take it in stride--it's fiction and I can decide what's "canon." But it does feel blatantly disrespectful and one of the reasons fans are so harsh is because Disney has lost consumer trust.
Here is the exact cycle of these "fans" new thing comes out, its the worst thing ever no matter what, old thing is now amazing. And repeat and repeat...
Not to me
IF YOU WILL INDULGE ME, PLEASE READ THIS THROUGH TO THE END,
AND LET ME TELL YOU WHY I WILL ALWAYS LOVE STAR WARS...
AND HOPEFULLY CONVINCE YOU WHY YOU ALWAYS SHOULD, TOO....(CONTINUED BELOW)...
A long time ago in the summer of 1977, I was a 10 year old kid who, one day, walked into a movie theatre to see "some far-out space movie" that was rapidly becoming "the talk of the town" on the schoolyard playground... I walked in an innocent, naive little child, only interested in Duncan Yo-yos, Mad Libs, Marshall Brodien TV Magic Cards, and Evel Knievel... I walked out CHANGED FOREVER.
On that glorious day, I had seen the greatest movie that would EVER be made... STAR WARS... This groundbreaking film from writer/director George Lucas TOTALLY changed my life... It absolutely blew me away, filling my heart with joy, stimulating my imagination, and kick-starting my love for cinema... That day was momentous for me, and I would never be the same again.. I will never forget it..
From the moment the 20th Century Fox fanfare and John Williams' theme blasted through the theatre speaker system, and "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" and that "Flash Gordon inspired" opening crawl came on the screen, and that gigantic Star Destroyer appeared, flying over my head, towering above me as I sat in my theatre seat... and kept going... and going...and going... and as the entire audience gasped with amazement... at that very moment, I was instantaneously mesmerized, transfixed, and transformed... and I was only 5 minutes into the movie... I still had 2 more hours to go!
By that time, I had seen a small handful of very good and (for their time) very impressive big-screen spectacles in the theatre, such as: The Golden Voyage of Sinbad (1974), At the Earth's Core (1976), Logan's Run (1976), and King Kong (1976)... but NOTHING could have prepared me (or the rest of the world) for the phenomenon that was STAR WARS and the change it would bring... the film that would propel a 1970's audience far beyond their wildest film-going expectations, and revolutionize the motion picture industry FOREVER. Words can never fully describe what it was like to be alive in the summer of 1977 during the peak height of "Star Wars Mania"... except to say that it was pure MAGIC.
I became an instant fanatic... I saw the film 11 times in the movie theatre... I sneaked my portable tape recorder into the theatre and audio-recorded the entire film so that I could listen to the adventure over and over in the comfort of my own bedroom... I dressed up in a make-shift Darth Vader costume for Halloween...I collected the action figures, the trading cards, the posters, the books, the model kits, and much more (and I STILL have all of that "stuff") ... I always wore my Star Wars T-shirt... I always drank out of my Star Wars cup... I listened to John Williams' Star Wars soundtrack album constantly, becoming a fan of symphonic and film score music... I watched "The Making of Star Wars" TV special, becoming fascinated by the way movies were made, even making a few myself with my Super-8 camera... I watched the Academy Awards for the very first time to see my favorite movie sweep the Oscars with 10 nominations and 7 wins... I even watched the "infamous" Holiday Special in 1978 ... Lumpy... Itchy... Harvey Korman... Bea Arthur... Wookiee-ookiees... And I loved it... ("Hey, I was 11!").
And after 46 years, I continue to love STAR WARS: A NEW HOPE more and more... It has aged like fine wine... It is my #1 favorite movie of all time, followed by my 2nd favorite movie of all time: The Empire Strikes Back, and my 3rd favorite movie of all time: Return of the Jedi...These 3 movies are flawless and perfect, collectively making up not only the greatest cinematic trilogy ever made... but the three greatest films of any kind ever made... and the greatest cinematic story ever told... PERIOD.
However, it all comes back to the very first 1977 film... This one is so pure and innocent... Its story is totally self-contained, without one needing to see any other Star Wars film to understand it... As summed up perfectly in the film's teaser trailer narration: "It's the story of a boy, a girl, and a universe... of rebellion and romance... of heroes, and villains, and aliens from a 1,000 worlds"... That says it all...
It is the perfect story... the perfect film... a phenomenon... a bona fide classic.. a MASTERPIECE..
Side note:
As a first generation STAR WARS fan, I proudly declare that... Yes... I LOVE the Prequel Trilogy films as well... absolutely... and totally stand behind them... they are amazing films, oozing with imagination and creativity... I like them just as much as the Original Trilogy... They have aged very well, proving themselves as great and worthy additions to the Star Wars Saga..... It's nice to see that there seems to be a re-evaluation of them in recent years, and they are getting much more love and respect now.
I consider myself lucky... because I've ALWAYS loved them...
And the Sequel Trilogy?... I like it fine... It's very entertaining, even if it didn't reach its full potential... It is a shame that Lucas sold off Lucasfilm and didn't get to give us HIS intended version.. The PROPER version... Of course, the reason that didn't happen was because of the toxic portion of the SW fanbase (mostly from MY generation, I'm embarrassed to say) that needlessly lambasted the Prequel films in the cruelest ways to the point that Lucas couldn't take it any more and gave up (Can you blame him?)... Still, even though I have my criticisms (and I know this seems to be an unpopular opinion these days) I do enjoy them...
IMO: I liked Luke's character arc in TLJ... It may have seemed unexpected at first, but it kept in the tradition of the past... Has everyone forgotten that both Yoda AND Obi-Wan did the exact same thing by going into exile?... (What is Lucas always quoted as saying?... "It's like poetry... It rhymes")...
And once Luke finally DID return... "WOW"... What a moment!
IMO: I have ALWAYS thought that IF ONLY Force Ghost Anakin and Force Ghost Luke could have been seen physically on screen standing alongside Rey to help finally take down the Emperor (instead of just hearing their voices) at the end of TROS, that would have PERFECTLY tied all three trilogies together much more effectively, and made all the difference in the eyes of MANY Sequel critics.
I thought that Rogue One, Solo, and Kenobi were all very good (Kenobi should have been a movie) ..
I like the Clone Wars animated show from Lucas very much.. Hey, I even like the two Ewok TV movies! (But then, I even get demented pleasure from the train wreck known as the Holiday Special, so what do I know?) The Mandalorian, Andor, and The Book of Boba Fett were passable time-killers, ...
What can I say... I'm a sucker when it comes to SW... I like it ALL, just to varying degrees...
I guess I should consider myself lucky!
Another side note:
And as a first generation fan who has been there from the very beginning, I will also defend the Special Editions of the Original Trilogy... I honestly prefer these versions... 95% of the changes are excellent, and I can live with the 5% that I personally might not have changed... It doesn't ruin my experience and love for the films in the slightest... For the most part, I love what Lucas did with them.. What a special gift he gave us with those updated versions... I don't miss the original versions at all.
One last side note:
I've had the great privilege of seeing (and in a few cases, meeting) many STAR WARS legends over the past years: George Lucas. Gary Kurtz, Irvin Kershner, Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Anthony Daniels, Kenny Baker, Peter Mathew, David Prowse, Billy Dee Williams, Ian McDiarmid, Hayden Christensen, John Williams, Ralph McQuarrie, Dennis Muren, Ben Burtt, and many other cast and crew members... The three biggest events that I was fortunate enough to attend were the 10th anniversary Star Wars Convention in Los Angeles (1987), the 35th anniversary Star Wars Celebration in Orlando (2012), and the 40th anniversary Star Wars Celebration in Orlando (2017)... Some of the happiest and most thrilling experiences of my life that I will always cherish and never forget..
To sum up:
Thank you so much, George Lucas, for taking me to your galaxy far, far away... Words can never express the utter joy and happiness that your 6 STAR WARS films have given me.., and continue to give me to this very day... And in particular, thank you so much for that life-altering experience that you gave me when I walked into that movie theatre in the summer of 1977 to see "that far-out space movie", aka: THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE! ...It's odd to think a that a mere movie could have that kind of power to change one's life in such a profoundly positive way... but I'm proof that one can.
P.S. Just think, things could have gone VERY DIFFERENTLY and HORRIBLY WRONG that day if I had instead gone to see some "awful piece of dreck" that was also playing in theatres at that same time... like Tentacles ("Yikes!")... or Viva Knievel ("Ouch!")
I HOPE THAT MY LIFE EXPERIENCE STORIES ABOUT SW HAVE HELPED YOU RE-EVALUATE YOURS...
WE CAN ALL AGREE OR DISAGREE ON WHAT IS GOOD STAR WARS AND WHAT IS BAD STAR WARS...
THAT'S FINE... BUT NEVER STOP LOVING IT... WHAT A DEPRESSING THOUGHT!
THAT 10 YEAR OLD KID WHO WALKED OUT OF THAT MOVIE THEATRE IN 1977 WOULD NEVER EVER WANT TO HEAR ANYONE EVER SAY THAT!
JUST EMBRACE WHAT YOU LOVE... AND IGNORE WHAT YOU DON'T... BUT NEVER STOP LOVING IT!
GEORGE LUCAS' GIFT TO THE WORLD IS TOO SPECIAL TO DO THAT!
EMBRACE IT... CHERISH IT... TAKE JOY IN IT... PASS IT ON TO OTHERS... AND NEVER LET IT DIE...
THANK YOU FOR READING THIS... MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU...
AND PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE... NEVER STOP LOVING STAR WARS!!!!!!
I'm just realy sad and angry that Disney listend to all the angry fans while making The Rise of Skywalker. I loved The Last Jedi (and still do), but so many people hated it causing Disney to panic, scrapping all there plans for a logical sequel and replacing it with a mess of a movie that will 'please' all the angry fans. I always thought that the sequel trilogy would be the same as the prequels in the sense that they were hated at first, but grew on people after some time, but now they ruined it. They tried to please fans, but as a filmmaker this is something you should NEVER do, in the first place you should always make the movie you want to make/ that you think will be good. Fans will never be satisfied because there expectations are just to high, but give them time and they will appreciate it afterwards. But now, Disney and J.J. Abrams have made a trilogy without a proper, thought out story. I think fans would still appreciate a propper sequel to TLJ more then a weak course correction that just shuves fan service down your throte all the time in the hope that people would like it.
I know that it's just a movie, but it just makes me so sad, to see creative people get scared like that and make a movie that they know is not the one they want to make, but they're just so frightened of there own fanbase that they do it anyway.
They should have just made the movie they wanted to make, that way the fans would probably hated it when it came out, but over time, it'll grow on them.
I hope Disney and J.J. Abrams learn from this
Agreed.
If you think Ruin Johnson made his whole subversion porn movie to "please" the fans,
you are out of your Mind.
@@Ixiah27 You can never please Star Wars fans. He continued the story in the way he thought was fitting. And yes, subverting expectations was one of the things he wanted/ needed to do, because if the story goes the way you expect it to go, well than it's pretty boring isn't it
What in the World are you talking about ?
People are angry at the shit writing, how is that in any way Toxic ?
And where do you get the idea the Movies are written like shit because they tried to please angry fans ?
Has it ever occured to you that the critique against EP 7 was justified ?
And instead of taking their time with Ep 8, they rushed out the next movie, because the conveyor belt media factory is on a Time limit.
And instead of learning from that as well, EP 9 gets even worse.
Demanding that your raw steak gets send back isnt "Toxic"
Complaining about the steak that comes back and is a piece of charcoal is not toxic.
Being the waiter and getting angry because apperently the Customer cant make up their mind what kind of steak they want, thats toxic.
@@Ixiah27 Well... I guess I agree with you. EP 7 was verry lazy and tried to 'save' Star Wars from the prequels by just copying the originals instead of making someting differant and new, someting that would take Star Wars in a whole new direction.
And because Disney wanted to release these movies in december, they had to be rushed out. But I still think that Rian Johnson did a good job (not perfect) with The Last Jedi.
There is a verry good video on RUclips, I think it's called 'The Anti-Trilogy' that explains verry well how every movie tried to 'fix' the last one. And it also explains how The Last Jedi is the movie that George Lucas would have made, because it turns everything on it's head.
With the prequels, George made Darth Vader, the most feared villain in Sci-fi, a horny teenager and turned Yoda, the wise and calm mentor into a cgi frog on steroids.
At first fans hated it, but over time they grew to love George's dessisions.
And what did Rian Johnson do...? He turned Luke, the forgiving, hopefull hero into a sad, defeated old man.
What's the difference??
Why can't people, over time realise that this actually was a great way to continue the story??
Yes. These movies needed more time and needed to be planned out from the beginning. But I don't think we can blame Rian Johnson for trying to do something new and doing his best to make a compelling story out of a lazy cashgrab
I just realized… a decade from now the sequel trilogy will be protected from all the current kids 😦
Thats cool
*The fanbase isn't the problem, it's Disney Star Wars itself.*
They're framing legitimate complaints as racism while lashing out at fans because they're morally and creatively bankrupt in every way that matters!
When the Kenobi trailer came out, I saw people in the comments saying racist things about Reva. I didn't take offense to the actress's comments because I knew it wasn't *me* she was talking about. You have a problem with Reva one-shotting the Grand Inquisitor? Fine. But that's not the "fan" complaints that the actress was talking about.
@@KR-bv5ogThat doesn't change a single fact of what that comment presented. Not one single fact.
Right on! Well said. It's so blatantly obvious, I don't understand what the f#*k people don't get about what you said. Creativity and imagination are dead, and these people watch movies as if they were zombies borne from that deadness.
Star wars fans make me not want to be a Star wars fan at this point. They complain about not having content then when they get the content they complain about the content.
We don't have everything. We mostly just hate garbage. If you bother actually engaging in the topic, you'll find near-universal love for the OT, the Clone Wars series, KOTOR, Jedi Outcast/Academy, Revenge of the Sith, Rogue One and the non-filler episodes of Mandalorian. And that's just off the top of my head. The problem isn't Star Wars fans. The problem is people who think Star Wars fans will fellate anything just because it has the franchise name.
But the Star Wars fans discussed in this video are so obnoxious, why would anyone want to engage in the topic in any way other than questioning or calling out their behavior?