The Star Wars Fanbase Is Incredibly Frustrating
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- I have grown increasingly frustrated with Star Wars fans recently. I can't believe how many people actually dislike Ahsoka. Disliking the show is one thing, but some fans are just being flat out haters. It has also been difficult to have conversations with some of them. Some fans have the highest expectations I have ever seen. The fandom needs to get back to having fun again because there is always something cool or memorable you can find in these shows.
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Outrage porn is what gets clicks now. Isn't unique to Star Wars either, people just love to hate everything.
This is the main reason why i always enjoyed Star Wars alone
with my family and my friends.
Cause i as a normal, fair, honest and most very well balanced fan of Star Wars has always liked what i liked, enjoyed what i enjoyed and just ignore it any annoying fan or fanboy and tell them to either go away, piss off or else their will be some serious trouble and they won't even like it.
Cause i just do not care of what they think of anymore and all that i want is to be in peace, harmony and serenity from all the stress.
I genuinely enjoy the show. My only complaint is that they leaned too much into the "wise Jedi" trope with Ahsoka. Yes she is older than she was in the Clone wars/ Rebels era but she doesn't feel like the Ahsoka we know until Dave directed episode 5 and then we start to see a little crack in her armor and she feels a bit more like herself. Perhaps that was by design with the events that transpired in episode 5, but I think that might be why some people don't like it, which I get, but I think it offers so much more than that. I like the characters and the new lore they are presenting, and all the little details that give characters a bit more meaning that a lot of people might not get. It's a cool little addition.
They could have leaned more into her doubts, insecurities and fears and it would have made that moment more impactful. They could have shown more about how shaken she was by Anakin's fall and fear of the dark side and it would have made episode 5 a bit more impactful
People nitpick when they don't like the show. When they like it, the little things don't matter. For myself, I admit I'm biased. I just want to watch Disney and Lucasfilm burn. I want Star Wars packed away in a box and stacked in a warehouse by Top Men.
how selfish of an attitude to have.
Its not YOUR franchise!
@@cptcabbageit’s just an opinion. There’s no one listening who has the power to pack Star Wars in a box and pack it away. Why does it bother you so much.? For that matter why does it bother me that it bothers you? Hahaha.
It's just an opinion. It's not selfish. If having that opinion could affect reality then that would be selfish.
This is like a doctor complaining that only sick people come to see her. Or a casino owner complaining that all their visitors are obsessed with gambling.
Stars Wars was a valuable property, worthy of paying $4 billion for, because it had an audience that was irrationally committed to it. It had an audience of people would buy the toy, read the book, by the comic book because they were so committed to the idea. The absurd nonsense is to be surprised that a group of people whose primary distinguishing characteristic is irrational commitment to the “ universe” should be bothered when the producer of their content shows zero commitment to the” universe”.
The casuals don’t care, but they’re not the ones who stand in line to see the next movie or spend their last dollar buying books and merch.
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One of the better videos when it come to this Franchise. I'm kinda of tired from the discourse around Star Wars. Trying to enjoy what I enjoy. And I think a lot of the fandom does not really get what George Lucas was even trying to do with his stories. Watch those behind the scenes Prequel stuff guys. Really helps.
It's okay to have your own opinion about a franchise.
But I don't bother talking about it anymore.
Most of these fans are losers
I remember when we use to have fun sharing our thoughts and opinions on the franchise. We used to have fun debates and now we can't because people are just too toxic on the internet nowadays.
@@Analyze_This54 facts, they exhibit all the signs of a narcissist. In this case they are essentially gatekeeping narcissists.
Joe Rogan said it best about them. Their lives probably suck and that's really all they have is to bring others down. Because that's what losers do.
Everything in this video is very well put. I think that, at the end of the day, this really comes down to the live and let live philosophy. It is impossible for everyone to like and feel the same about everything, but, to me, it's common decency and frankly a matter of respect that if you don't particularly like something the way someone else does and you feel strongly about it, just let them be. No one should be forcing their opinions down the throats of others; it shouldn't bother anyone so much that another person likes something they don't. A debate is fine, that's healthy. But, there's no point at all in the extremism and trying to bring others down or belittling or bullying them for having a differing opinion. It doesn't even validate your own, it just makes you seem less secure about your own standpoint. Unfortunately, this is a common toxic theme with any hardcore fandom. Painfully annoying.
If you dislike something slightly, sure, have a debate, have at it so long as you're respectful. If you dislike something so much that you feel an incessant need to belittle, bully, or make fun of people for liking this simply because you don't, then just... move on to something else. I'll never understand the want to waste time and energy on something you hold such a heavy dislike for.
I'd vote for you in the galactic Senate after this speech....
I was having this conversation last night. It's fine to be critical, I don't love everything they've done but I've at least enjoyed some of it enough. If the haters are going to hate everything they should stop being fans.
A lot of these people you’ll find all over the Internet who are in it just to see how far they can upset somebody.
They like pushing buttons on peoples emotions!
That’s the fun they have, that’s how they get their jollies!
They may have grown up physically, but apparently they haven’t grown up emotionally!
I get being mad and not liking something but the relentless ragging on this franchise and people behind it for the past 27 years is exhausting.
I felt like the first four episodes of Ahsoka were a bunch of set-up that probably could have been compressed into two, but from 5 and forward it's really found its feet
Welcome to everything made ever
Seening Hayden back as Anakin was soooooo dope in EP 5, Baylon is a nice addition, but the show as a whole has not been great.It's still better than the sequel trilogy, and that's all you can really ask for right now.
Looking at how much happened in either trilogies compared to how little went on in Ahsoka is still insane. But I know, I'm biased I get it.
consume product then get excited for next product.
Good that u pointed it and made video about it. Im a big fan of Ahsoka series and can't stand these people constantly complaining...
Good video.
The main problem with the fandom is the same as other hardcore fandoms … “if it isn’t what I think it should be, it is bad. If you like it, you are wrong”.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but that is all it will ever be … hardcore fans, generalist fans, barely fans, only fans (🙃)… all just opinions in the end with no more weight given to one over the other. Not nowadays.
I didn’t watch the animated stuff because … I just didn’t. Sorry if that makes me a bad fan, I guess.
However, it’s kind of a moot point considering I love Ahsoka, and I don’t care what other fans say. I think the show has a lot of charm that had been missing … and it’s well made. It has good pacing. It has good characters. The story is nuanced but still exciting. It is objectively a good show … which I think should honestly be enough at this point.
Toxic fandoms are worse than the entertainment they complain about.
I will never understand what old fans want. Would you rather them leave Star Wars be and never make anything else or do you just want things made exactly how you think it should be? One of those is at least realistic.
I’d rather them throw some spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks with the most people instead of just never getting anything else from the universe we all love. I’m easy to please though and I would rather enjoy things for what they are instead of constantly living with the angst that things aren’t as I think they should be. Shrug.
Thank you for at least understanding the points I am trying to make. Everyone is going to enjoy and consume these shows and movies differently. It’s better when people have your mindset….just be easy going and check out the things that interest you.
It’s fun to talk about these shows and debate the good and bad stuff, but people take it way too far. I understand why people are upset with Disney because their track record with Star Wars has not been great. But what’s the point of sticking around the franchise if you are just going to hate and argue with people all the time. It’s the whole reason why I made this video and you get it. Take care.
Meet the ceo of autism, how do expectations form contempt at a greater level than the butchering of og characters and low quality of an anticipated product from a large film studio,
how does being constantly reminded as a fan that everyone is toxic is for not being on the sides of those who shill for studios, how the fuck does shrimp fry rice and why did wood fire pizza?
I stopped reading after you said hxc fans have the attitude "if it's not how I think it should be, it's bad". As a hxc fan, I can assure you that's not the case. I just ask they (disney, filoni, etc.)don't character assassinate or absolutely destroy canon, and to understand the universe they've been blessed to shepard. It's really not much to ask, except it may be, because they've failed at every level. I'm not filled with rage or fueled by attacking those who enjoy this new "Star Wars"; rather deep, deep sadness much as I feel with the way Dragon Ball Super has ruined Z.
@@MrAweeze I read your entire response before offering an answer because I’m an adult who realizes the point of the video was to create a discussion and not … whatever you are trying to accomplish.
I’m sorry you don’t enjoy the things that are being created. I have my problems with some of it too. However, I’m happy they are still trying and I’m glad I found a way to enjoy it.
That being said, if you are filled will such deep sadness over pieces of entertainment, I think you should probably stop spending time discussing it. Seems like very destructive behavior and counter productive to leading a happy life.
Thanks for your input. Take care! :)
I judge each show on its own merits! I will be the first to admit that the last trilogy made me extremely angry . To the point, I could not enjoy anything Disney Wars put out. But I love Star Wars, and all it was hurting was me. I saw “New hope” in theatre. So I had to re-think my expectations . Now I just pretend 7,8 and 9 were just Jabba’s nightmare erase Ryan Johnson’s smug ass look out of my head and just enjoy the shows. It worked for me.
I used to be EXACTLY like those toxic people, and I can confirm they get all their opinions from people who have made hate videos. I only watched 2 of the movies in the sequel trilogy and enjoyed both. Still, after watching 1 too many hate videos I started bashing them and even went off the deep end with hate on Kathleen Kenedy filling Star Wars "woke mind virus" and all that nonsense.
I've grown a lot since then, coming to terms with my identity and not really paying those people any mind. It's just a huge shame that they wasting all that energy on hating things.
What's your identity?
@@user-yq9im9dk9z what a loaded question
So what do you say to the people who actually is informed and came to the same conclusion as these 'hate vids'?
It's easier to be angry, that's the way of things, and the way most take. Not to say Disney don't make it easy to do, but nearly everyone always assumes that if someone disagrees with you that they are immediately a threat and both parties are immediately hostile.
As hard as it can seem form people who liked the sequel trilogy, it's better to assume that someone isn't going to attack you or is brainless, though with he world we're in it's hard to not be defensive as most people just attack out of defense, and it just makes a mess
I enjoyed the show myself. Nothing really stood out to me as egregious in the story, tho I do question the shift towards the Nightsisters and the "magic" of the force slowly creeping in, as it feels off. Or maybe it's just the fact that I grew up with the first movies making the force feel weaker, more enigmatic, and less like 'magic' to me. That said, I also went back to watch all of the Clone Wars, which solidified how cool Ahsoka could be (seriously, that fight with Maul in the last season? *chef's kiss*). On a whim, I watched Rebels end to end... And it weirdly gave me an appreciation when Ahsoka (the show, not the character) came out a few months later. I think really my biggest complaint with Ahsoka was that Hera in live action looked 'off' to me in a way I couldn't properly define. Unlike Sabine and Ezra, in live action she felt weirdly cartoony (visually, the acting was solid). That said, for only 8 episodes, the series told a surprisingly compelling story that makes me wonder if it's going to split into 2 stories going forward (One with Thrawn, and one on the planet). It really is a shame Ray Stevenson passed away, as he was killer as Baylon Skoll. Absolutely knocked it out of the park. The fact we'll never get to see another Skoll/Ahsoka battle really pains me. At least Shin Hati is still around, and can hopefully pick up the mantle, because I think Filoni really had a lot weighing on Ray's performance in continuing the series. Best laid plans of mice and men, as the saying goes.
I watched 'the closer look's' video on how to fix star wars recently, and something I definitly agree with is that starwars is at its best during big galactic shifting events that changes everything for everyone. I have no problem with smaller character based stories here and there, it does seem to be all we're getting currently though. I'm really really enjoying ahsoka so far and I would love if all this hype of a potential war actually meant something and we got thrown into another galaxy shifting war that was explored over the next few years
Toxic Star Wars fan: How many problems can we possibly cause?
Me: *Gatekeeping and bullying people for enjoying new Star Wars content* Hmm?
Toxic Star Wars fan: Oh, that’s not so bad.
Me: *Sending death threats to Rian Johnson for The Last Jedi* Hmm?
Toxic Star Wars fan: So?
Me: *Bullying Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Kelly Marie Tran, and Moses Ingram on social media* Hmm? *Demonizing George Lucas for the prequels* Hmm?!?! *Ahmed Best having a suicide attempt* HMMMMM?!?!?!?!
*A sick maniac with the screen name “Avenge Star Wars” on Twitter saying that he wanted a mass shooting to happen at a Star Wars celebration*
Toxic Star Wars fan: I had no idea. WHAT KIND OF FANDOM ARE WE?!?!?!?!?!
What Star Wars fans? The Original Star Wars fans? The Prequels fans? The Game fans? The Expanded Universe fans? We aren't a homogeneous group, there are many factions between the Fandom.
The group I am talking about is the one where everyone is always negative, bashing everything that comes out, and bullies those that like it. It includes people from each of these groups probably.
My only complaint about the current trend with all the spin-off shows, is that it all leads to and ties in all the events that lead into the sequel trilogy. And I could honestly careless about the sequel trilogy in anyway. I can’t ever rewatch it again. It’s so cringe and badly written I physically cannot sit through another viewing. And so it’s disappointing to know that all this amazing Star Wars we’re currently getting is all leading to the worst parts of Star Wars in its history. I hope they change the outcome.
Sequel trilogy never happened….
Yeah after seeing everything they are trying to build in the "Mandoverse" I can't help but wonder how things would be if they didn't rush into making that trilogy.
the sequel trilogy did happen whether you like it or not
@@wwb16exactly I hate the sequels but I think this content should’ve been released before they made those movies to make more sense
I wanted to like Disney Star wars. And I did enjoy the force awakens. Was disappointed with the last Jedi and didn't even bother with rise of Skywalker cause Palpatine returned.
Honestly I I love the connections to clone wars and Rebels, I really enjoy Kenobi, Mandalorian, book of boba, Andor, Bad batch and Ahsoka are their bits that feel strange yeah book of boba could have focused more on a bounty hunter Boba, Kenobi should have had the clone troopers Nix as a central character, the destruction of Sundari should have happened as a shocking status quo shift at the end of the first season of Mandlorian for all the negatives I honestly think the positives outweigh them.
As asequel critic, do you think they will get better as more answers are filled in with other works?
The prequels did. But the sequels were a hot mess post VII.
@@Aether52 The sequels cannot, bcs they are fundamentally wrong, the prequels just had a few things that needed to be toucheded upon, but the core themes and story was and is, solid, it makes sense(unlike the sequels)
trekkie(fan of star trek) here. From you are saying it is similar to star trek but it is not to the extent that you are saying. I am guessing it is because of the 25% rule(star trek TNG cannot be related to TOS or continuing from TOS)or that star trek is episodic(no serialized stories for entire seasons but rather a self contained story per episode/a new adventure for the day/planet of the week)(occasional 2 part episodes) like you can dislike an episode and you can just wait for a good one and you are not missing anything. And geez i had no idea that alot of star wars fans are like that from what you are saying. but at least your having fun being a fan and making content on something you love :) keep it up dude.
I completely agree I watched the book of boba fett and kenobi not perfect but they are things inked about them. They tell us not to watch but that’s up to the viewer.
I just hope they get better 🙏
I’m a O.G. And I enjoy Star Wars of course some of it isn’t my favorite like the Sequels but I still enjoy watching it all brings me back to being a kid in the 80’s
I haven’t watched Asoka yet because I knew it would be focused on Rebels story stuff, which I have never been very interested in, but I have nothing against that. It’s just like the Clones Wars stuff in Mandolorian, I love the Clone Wars series but some of my friends did complain about it because they had never watched the Clone Wars show. I also don’t fully agree with Disney bringing back old characters and creating new stories with them; while I like that from time to time sometimes I feel like we are treading familiar ground that isn’t really added much to the story. I would really enjoy to watch stories about characters we have never seen before in times that have had little discussion (Like Mando Season 1).
oh and this is funny. While I did know about the Clone Wars I never saw an episode yet I knew exactly where Ashoka was with 3 seconds of watching the first episode in the series. NO surprises, no this is dumb, no this can't be happening just yep fun and action.
The reason "Why" is simple, people have been disappointment too much. They expect to be disappointed. They go into a new show with the expectation and when you expect it, you usually find it. I can only count myself fortunate that i am capable of not being disappointed though it came close when it started with another McGuffin chase to find the magical map to show the way to someone who was lost. Fortunately it worked this time because in hindsight, after seeing several episodes, it actually made sense but some people probably didn't stay around for that. Anyways, the biggest problem with Star Wars is the baggage of failure that it has which condemns some really good shows such as "Andor" which i felt was amazing.
Ashoka series is trash, that is why.
@@Fridaey13txhOktober Obi-Wan was trash, The Book of Bobba Fett was "meh", Ashoka so far is digestible.
@@Fridaey13txhOktoberI think your trash
Nah you’re just crying like a child for nothing
Amen! I was so surprised on the hate Filoni has been getting. He’s the only guy putting good content out!
Ashoka has been great.
I’m really, really enjoying Ashoka. Andor is the best Star Wars since Rouge One
The ahsoka is quite good, just remember the last trilogy! Dont be judgmental about the new series , comare always to the lat trilogy, they just need to delete it completely, all the story is so …
I get the point, however I think a lot of the real criticism the show has is pretty valid, for example, I've watched it all, clone wars and rebels, the 7 episodes of ahsoka, and I honestly hated how Ezra and Sabine's reunion was done, it was SOOO unemotional, if expecting to see at least tears of joy and emotional music is "high expectations" and not liking the way it was done is being a "hater", then we truly are doomed as fans of the franchise
So many people think I am labeling them a "hater" for not liking the show. I actually understand your criticism of Ezra and Sabine. You make a fair point. A lot of people don't take issue with the plot. They focus on the "looks" of a characters, a song choice in the soundtrack, and accuse the show of promoting an agenda. That crap I don't agree with. But I'll at least give some understanding to a reasonable critique like you provided.
I can also counter your "hater" label comment by saying it goes both ways. I've been called a liberal woke wussy for liking the show. So there are idiots on both sides of this topic.
No it’s not
Yeah, the Star Wars Fandom is toxic! And the Batman franchise, too! We are seeing the consequences of the "everybody gets trophy" crowd! Sci-fi/ fantasy is supposed to be kind of cheesy, or it wouldn't be fun!
Fr tho
Stephen hawking, or just another ai powered vegtable.
Unfortunately the overall Star Wars fandom is probably one of the worst I’ve ever seen. A majority have absolutely no idea what they actually want and just don’t seem like they’re fun people to talk to.
The misplaced anger is what really gets me, where (in my eyes) the blame is always directed to the most confusing places rather than core issues that could be legitimate criticisms. There feels like a lot of hate vs love, nitpicks vs justifications, with no real objective thought-process from either side.
I have been embarrassed enough over time by the people’s over-emotional reactions that I just basically say I’m not a Star Wars fan anymore, so this video was pretty cathartic for me. 🤣
Why? Because they won't accept trash?
@@Fridaey13txhOktober See? You’re a perfect example and you’ve exactly proven my point. I never directed my criticism to one side or the other; I said both sides are ridiculous for thinking it’s either solely trash or an absolute masterpiece. There’s no nuance.
You just proved that you didn’t read my comment, but got over-emotional. You immediately assumed I was singling you out specifically, and that’s because you’re so insecure about your own opinion that you immediately got defensive, even when I didn’t call out anyone specifically.
Why does Star Wars do this to people? 🤣
LOL. Star Wars should be well beyond "Emmy Worthy". We're talking about one of the most beloved Film Franchises of all time. Had the original trilogy been released as episodes on TV it would have been the greatest achievement in Television history and probably won a record number of Emmy's. Are mediocre television shows dressed up with big CGI budgets the new bar for Star Wars success?
People neglect the fact that Ahsoka was created by Dave & George back in '08 for the animated "Clone Wars" film
Yeah, and Thrawn was created by Timothy Zahn... so how does that help make the show good?
Maybe I can say Hera was created by Dave and the show magically becomes good.
@@user-yq9im9dk9zyou do realize that he had to go to George for permission to make Thrawn right
Just enjoy the moment, this is the most star wars content we've received since the 70s
Unfortunately quantity is a poor substitute for quality. Andor was amazing, the Mandalorian was great, and Ahsoka may turn out to be very good but there have been other series that have been "Meh" to outright bad and following the sequels, Star Wars really needed to be great for a few series in a row without the "Meh" and the bad spoiling it.
The 90 -2000s produced new content non stop. Novels, comics, video games, magazinex with original fiction,new stuff on almost a weekly basis.
There’s more Star Wars shit than ever. Hooray!
@@williamshelton4318 It's the ''shit'' part that has made the "Hooray" into a "o-my-god".
Yeah…comics and games, before the dark times before the empire
Agreed
Remove Kathleen & put Dave & Jon in charge!!!!!
The hardcore elements in the fanbase turned me off to Star Wars. What they did to Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, and Kelly Marie Tran was truly disgusting. Nothing satisfies them. They act like it's real, and they have no problem hurting people who somehow ruined their "childhood". I wish they'd grow the hell up.
Likely, that's barely 0.5% of the whole fanbase.
It's still thousands of people because it's one of the biggest franchises in the world, but still small in terms of percentage.
Unfortunately, they’re never gonna grow up. Because they don’t want to. Not only did they bully those actors, but they also still to this day bully people enjoy the new Star Wars content they don’t like.
THANK YOU mah lord THANK YOU - 38 year old geezer over here, loved SW since mid 90s, the ups and downs and all arounds. Looking at my action figure set up on the shelf right now lol
Re: expectations
Also...it is SPACE WIZARDS WITH LASER SWORDS!
ANd I love it.
I am 100000000000000000000000000% with you on everything you said here.
Pathetic man child
Too much money to be made crapping on Star Wars, it's the cool thing to do. Anybody that uses the word shill, I'm changing the video.
^Shill.😉
This was such a good video and highlighted my feelings exactly. Earned a like and a sub from me.
Hardcore Star Wars fans are under the impression that it’s only for them and that only they know what’s wrong or can have an opinion, people also read to much into little things, people like to pretend they could make a better show
But it is trash, hovewer. Thrawn is not supposed to be an utter mo ron.
As someone who has felt the way you're expressing since Episode 7 came out and suddenly was finding myself surrounded by hordes of "THe PrEQueLS weRE GoOD, actUALLy" after being one of few prequel defenders that I knew for years, I really appreciate hearing you say "the fun is having normal and respectful discussions, regardless of whether we agree or not". For most of my life, the fun of Star Wars has been the sandbox that it presents, "imagine if this happened" or "what if they did this"; imagining you are the director and writer and saying "this is what I would have done" and other self-inserting was a lot of the fun, and it seems like this has evolved to an absolutely wretched entitlement (and I'll fuckin say it, I don't give a fuck anymore) where these total losers will wield their nostalgia as a toxic blade ready to hurt anyone and everyone, regardless of the consequences.
(Not for you, but for the toxic assholes that might read my comment and feel the need to say something to me: The fundamental reality at play here is that Star Wars is not now nor has it ever been ours. It exists because other people make it, not because of the fans and the people that make it don't owe us anything no matter how you rationalise it. Take every single "StAR wars woULDN't EXiST IF IT WAsn't FOr THE FAns" take you have and for real, shove it. We don't own it. Lucasfilm owned it at first, and now Disney owns it. If you don't like that basic fundamental truth, go join your local Communist Party and lets get to work on abolishing copyright. In the meantime, pound sand.)
I'll be honest and say that I pretty much love every piece of Star Wars media I've ever watched, read, or played, regardless of the quality ("hey Tom, want to watch the Holiday Special?" "yes idgaf it's Star Wars"). I used to be open to being critical, but since all this has started happening my public opinion is that "Star Wars is great and did you see that it was a fuckin lightsaber that shit is sick". I hadn't seen Rebels yet and all the hype around Ahsoka and the fact that Hayden is back for it has me now in the middle of season 2 and I'm loving it. The world of Star Wars is just such a fun place to be, it shouldn't matter that Rebels is a little bit for 8 year olds and I'm nearly 35, I'm loving the vibes. Plus seeing Freddie Prinze Jr's voice coming from a guy that looks like he plays bass in a nu-metal band. So much fun. I'm really excited to get into Ahsoka once I'm done (or sooner if I can't resist it anymore) and discuss with my normal friends all the things that are cool about it and all the stuff we would do differently.
The prequels were good. Not great, but definitely good.
Compared to the trash today, the prequels are gold!
@@Fridaey13txhOktober Fortunately my standards are not determined by what is made today ;)
I agree what you said.
I love to talking about analyzing certain scenes of star wars cuz it’s what makes me feel enjoyed. As you said in the vid the fandom did in fact took away my enjoyment and I had hard time trying to enjoy Ahsoka but I couldn’t due to the circumstances of the fans. I wanted to feel these moments like felt in the sequel trilogy the cinematic excitement (rots was my first Star Wars movie, owned on dvd) but these days it’s hard to feel the same.
I know it’s sad and depressing to be on this road, everyday week and month fans find a way to complain whine and hate things and it’s becoming more tiring and it affects me badly cuz I wasn’t enjoying Ahsoka the could’ve experienced because of them, but I’m glad there are a few people like you that fully acknowledge these current status of SW.
Keep doing you man. Enjoy watching the content you like! If others want to be angry and miserable then that’s on them.
It's just when you have a history with a company that shits, spits, & pukes all over(with a high consistency) everything that you loved, worshiped, & adored, when you were younger, it leaves a real shitty taste in ur mouth for a loooooong time, so please excuse real fans if they absolutely hate the thing that hates them...which is "the house of mouse"
I totally understand. They have messed up a lot. I'll never get over how they botched the sequels. However, I am still trying to go into an open mind with some of the new stuff and it's not all bad. But yeah Disney has a poor resume when you review their entire history with Star Wars.
Finally, someone who gets it. It's a god damned tv show to either be enjoyed or just change the channel. Thank you for just having a life.
I've enjoyed everything in the franchise. I see the negatives but I honestly see more positives. Plus I love Star Wars and to me more Star Wars will always be a good thing.
No, it surely isn't....
I, like you, have my issues with the way Disney had handled Star Wars lately. Lots of missteps, horrible plotlines, and movies that were just insulting to the fans (last three trilogies). However, my criticisms don't come to the point of religious zealotry and narcissism.
I also like the Ashoka Tano series. Mainly because the show, like you said, is more "Star Wars" than most series that preceded it. But also, this one gives us NONDOGMATIC force users who are neither Jedi nor Sith specifically. In my opinion, such an approach presents a more exciting and "human" element to those characters because they have goals or means to ends. Not just an altruistic sense of justice like the Jedi or blind lust for power like the Sith. I do believe we got our first glimpse of this with Count Dooku in the prequels. He too, although working directly with the Sith, did not fully become one. I believe it was due to his disillusionment with the Jedi order and seeking to right their wrongs. Also, his eyes never turned Sith yellow so I would assume that meant he had a "means to an end" and not just filled with a lust for power like I stated earlier.
I also wish the fanbase would just calm down and, while having their opinions and critiques, look at the shows and movies as interpretive artwork and not strict story lines than cannot be deviated from.
Facts
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..................................... literal pond scum
@@hughejasse5463???
Generally speaking, the shows are good. Kenobi could've done better with Reva and imo would've been better as a movie. Leia was a bit inconsistent but other than those, I liked it. Book of Boba I wasn't a fan of the punk kids purely due to the setting they were in. Put them on Nar Shadda and I'd have no complaints, and Mando jacking the whole damn show at the end was my complaints. They're not the greatest thing out there and that's fine. They're still pretty enjoyable.
"Did I ever tell you about Asokha, Luke?" 😄
I haven't seen all of Star Wars Rebels and what I have seen of it (aside from the stuff with Vader and Maul), I didn't care for. Hence why I haven't watched Ahsoka and don't plan to anytime soon because I'm not interested in live-action Star Wars Rebels season 5. I've seen the Anakin stuff, which was pretty good.
I loved the Kenobi show. Yes it had flaws, but overall, I think they got more right than wrong. I've never been a huge fan of The Mandalorian. The first two seasons were good, but I think they're overrated and I agree that Book of Boba Fett and Mandalorian season 3 weren't that great. Haven't watched Andor because I have no interest in it. I liked The Bad Batch though.
Even in regards to the films, my opinions of them aren't exactly popular ones. I like the prequels (mainly Revenge of the Sith, which is hands down my favorite Star Wars film. I agree with some of the criticisms of The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, the latter being my least favorite of the original six, but they still had plenty of things about them that I enjoyed.), I like the original trilogy but I don't think they're the Holy Grail of cinema like many say. I didn't love or hate the sequel trilogy. I thought Rogue One was boring outside of Vader and Tarkin's scenes. And I really liked the Solo movie, it's definitely the best Star Wars movie made since Disney bought the franchise IMO.
Honestly, I get sick of hearing fans bitch about every new piece of Star Wars content even if they have a good reason to, and you can't avoid it because it's everywhere, even if it has nothing to do with Star Wars. Maybe it's a vocal minority, or maybe it's a vocal majority. Either way, it's incredibly frustrating.
I'm to the point where I just keep my love of Star Wars to myself because no matter what opinions you have, someone will attack you for it.
The fanbase is super complex because everyone's combination of likes and dislikes. You and I alone have different combinations and I think that's cool. Everyone interprets the story differently and has different preferences. And it used to be fun to chat with people and debate different point of views. But sadly we can't do that anymore. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'm glad you are enjoying the things you do like from the franchise.
Good video!
Since 2015 Star Wars has used Nostalgia from original Trilogy, while providing nothing new. The Force Awakens retcons The Original Trilogy, Fall of Skywalker was horrible, Rogue one was nostalgia fuel bait, The Mandlorian's biggest selling point was Yoda as a baby, Kenobi was a pointless show that relyed on nostalgia while having Vader and Obi-wan in a slap boxing match, Book of Boba did nothing to expand the story, Andor is a useless character who's gonna die. His story is already set. now Ahoska has taken the Heir to the Empire and replaced Luke with Ahoska. To even watch Ahoska you gotta do a ton of homework. Rebels is boring. I gotta watch a boring ass show to get into a new show? We're still in the era of the Empire, we're still talking about Vader, Luke isn't the master jedi fans wanted to see we're still gonna get to the Force Awakens. When do we get something new? Where do we get a new adventure? New enemies? New Star Wars? We're stuck in between Ep 3-4, Ep6-7. I never thought I'd see the day that Star Wars is boring. It doesn't matter who is in charge, what matter is who can write a new story that honors the original. Nostalgia has been run into the ground. Where is the fun? Where is the excitement? Where's the sense of adventure? The feeling of exploring something new?
I don't have a problem with the nostalgia because it makes sense for a franchise like this where ultimately everything is connected. However, it is disappointing that they won't venture out into brand new territory. I'm not sure why it is taking so long to get new stuff.
Nothing new my ass
The writing, pace, acting and editing in this show are just objectively bad. As a professional film editor I find it mindboggling HOW bad it is from a filmmaking standpoint and as a former longtime Star Wars Fan I am appalled by the lack of imagination and lore butchering. People who like this really have very low standards in their entertaining and storytelling.
Oh shut the hell up.
Oh shut your face you know crap your just a boy who has tits
Not even that bad you are just not picking shit up already
😂😂😂😂😂😂 sure it is George was fucking terrible ask the actors
Dude i dont agree with some of your lack of likes - but why do we have to hate it? Everything deserves a chance.
Even movie episode 7 and 8. But i wont rewatch those anytime soon lol
I'm a fan of DEI/ESG too ! 😊
First video of yours that I've seen but couldn't agree more. While yes there has been problems with Disney SW it's also had its fair share of great moments. For example my favorite SW movie is Rogue One a Disney era project. Fans hold on the the EU as if it was this untouchable golden age. But the truth is that it was just as messy with ups and downs! I feel like many fans see an idealized version of SW that never existed. SW is ever evolving and people just can't seem to accept change. There have been lots of great projects in the past few years. To your point i very much agree David needs to be given the reigns and they need less cooks in the kitchen. The biggest issue is they had to many creatives involved trying to guide it not one steady hand. People need to think a little more ciritcally and let these projects cook 2 eps in and already "STAR WARS IS RUINED ILL NEVER TRUST DISNEY AGAIN!!" , like calm down how about judge a project in full and if you still don't like it thats fine. But don't speak for all fans many of us still have a love for SW. I just want more stories in the universe I love without being harassed for liking the stories we're getting. I hope one day the fandom will find a balance and we can all just keep enjoyong this world we are all so passionate about.
Yeah people act like there is nothing good from Disney Star Wars. There is and I can even find things I enjoy in the shows I have problems with. Some people just can't get out of the negative mindset.
@@Analyze_This54 Completely agree. I feel like many fans today would rather jump on the hate bandwagon rather than critique media critically. I keep seeing so many claim "STAR WARS IS DEAD" on something like ep 1 review a project. It is completely valid to have criticism for media but like it is 1 episode in and wild claims like "the skywalker legacy has been completely destroyed. Personally I am actually real excited for the current state of star wars and exploring stories that could be told in this new galaxy. I'm glad to find a channel with a more positive overall outlook with room for healthy debate and constructive critism
The thing about Dave is that he should be in charge, he just can’t have 100 percent control. Otherwise we’ll be back to when Lucas had complete control which was okay but didn’t entirely work (the shows were great but the prequels were not imo). He needs some restraint but should be in charge
I agree. I also don’t expect him to literally write and direct everything. I’d would like him to at least review the plan and make the big decisions on what they make and what direction they go with it. Basically like quality assurance.
@@Analyze_This54 exactly
the whole of ashoka is just meh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we deserve better
I'll be honest, the show doesn't look that good to me, I've kind of given up after mandalorian season 3. But I'm not gonna go around telling people they're not allowed to like it. Maybe I'll give it a shot after all thanks to your vid!
No, they are entirely right to be unhappy. Thrawn is not supposed to be a moron.
He's not, but okay lol
No
Your opinions are quite based.
SW fans can be the worst fans out there bar none, they will insult, berate, belittle and do worse for not agreeing with them, for not living in their head canon. Lucas never set a standard canon, he set tiers that he changed his mind over them over 20 years just like he did when it came to how many films would be in the now called Skywalker Saga. Not only did he change his mind when it came to the amount of films but also to what the prequel and sequel trilogies were going to be, the man is a walking contradiction that pissed off the fans so much that WE were the ones that wanted him to step away from SW and let someone else take the reins. He sells to Disney and now "fans" hate everything Disney does with SW and want Lucas back or someone else to take over. A new trilogy comes out and they flock to the theatre then complain why was Han killed (Ford hated his role) but say nothing that it was a rehash of the original and that it was obvious it was going nowhere good. When it comes to the shows they act as if they are forced to watch them and pretend to be offended of what they are watching. That's enough of a rant, just found your channel today and subbed, really enjoyed it keep it up man. Wishing you all the success in the world
So how much are you getting paid from Disney....
SO much
😂😂😂😂😂😂 same basic ass butthurt grown ass man in a basement with action figures
I didn’t like the Hera court marshal screen. I don’t understand it like what’s it’s purpose she just gets away with no punishment? How?
Well the whole goal of the scene was to show how she got away with it??
I feel like there are numerous contradictory comments in this video. Kinda a "I'm not gonna practice what I preach" deal. Example - "Don't critique Ahsoka if you haven't watched Rebels". Ok, I completely disagree, but I get it. I don't believe you can understand elements of Ahsoka without watching Rebels.
But flip that, those of us who have read Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command can't say Dave Filoni got Thrawn wrong because Filoni had a chat with Zahn at a Con? This video creator admits he hasn't read the books but feels it necessary to offer critique towards those that have read them, studied them, loved them.
I'm sorry but if peoples opinions about Ahsoka are invalid because they didn't watch Rebels then your opinion on Thrawn is invalid because you didn't read the books. That door swings both ways. Fair is fair.
For some reason there is a significant part of the modern fan base that can accept zero criticism of Dave Filoni. For everything he does well, his creativity, my belief that he actually cares about Star Wars - he is not a strong writer, he is not good at dialog - he needs to work more within a team with others helping him where he is lacking. Ahsoka hilights this as its Filoni's most ambitious foray into writing Star Wars thus far.
But some will say, " wait, didn't he write The Clone Wars". No, by and large he didn't. Writers were hired to put the ideas to paper and the series was better off for it.
Interestingly these is also a critique that would apply to George Lucas, so the apple might not fall too far from the tree :p But even with that said I do think Lucas is a better writer than Filoni.
Personally, I'd rather gives the keys over to Favreau, with Filoni advising.
And Andor is brilliant for all the reasons mentioned in the video. It is far more Star Wars than you give it credit for being. Star Wars pre 1999 was never really about non stop lightsaber duels znd action scenes driving story telling, it was more nuanced, delved into more different aspects of the universe.
Han Solo at Stars End is a brilliant example, not a Jedi in sight, but an brilliant story none the less. The Ewok films, both guilty pleasures of mine, despite their faults are another couple great examples of how varied Star Wars stories can and should be. Droids cartoon, same idea.
Stories can stand on their own. You don't need big name cameos every thirty minutes to try and pull on nostalgia strings. Filoni is over the top with that. Mandalorian Season 1 worked brilliantly because it directly avoided that tendency. Same with Andor. The Mandalorian Season 2 started to slide due to precisely that, which I credit to Filoni. We suddenly had to have a new, pre existing name appearance in almost every single episode. Bo Katan, Ahsoka, The Marshal, Boba Fett, Luke Skywalker, R2 D2. It was very Dave Filoni.
Yes, I like fun too. But the story has to come before the character drops. Disney+ Star Wars loses sight of that a lot.
Anyway, I'm trying to be fair here. I find the over the top critiques of the Nerdrotics and RK Outpost squads preposterous as well. There is a ton of hate for the sake of hating. But there are also a ton of legit reasons for fans to be critical of the direction this franchise has gone.
You make a lot of good points. I think they wrote this show to build off of Rebels more than the Thrawn books. Part of that is due to Disney’s stupid decision to mess with what is Canon and what is Legends. So, we won’t get a story based entirely off of that.
You have to at least know the summary of Rebels to have an understanding on why characters are acting the way they are and why the situation is what it is. Not trying to gate keep. It’s the honest truth.
My issues with Thrawn is from what I said in the video. I’ve literally heard people complain that he is too fat or acts like a Moron. So, his non-fat body in the books is better? I just think people go to far sometimes with the complaints.
We have to accept the fact that they aren’t going to make what we want to see. It sucks, but it doesn’t mean the content the make is all bad.
Again, I appreciated reading your thoughts.
@@Analyze_This54 I don't particularly have anything against Lars - good actor - but I find him miscast in the role. My envisioning of Thrawn is not of a sixty year old man with Lars physique. Voice is great, everything else doesn't fit.
One thing Zahn always gave Thrawn is that the character had layered plans, layered strategies. Even in set backs he was three steps ahead of the heroes. Zahn crafted scenes so that it appeared the heroes were gonna win, made the audience think the heroes won, only to have Thrawn pull out the carpet from beneath their feet.
As you mention in your latest video, the conclusion was all kinda predictable. It bugged me that Thrawn had no tactical answer to three characters making a direct assault on the front door of his fortress beyond "we will throw a few troopers at them". Its a very Clone Wars like style of writing. To me Thrawn should have had answers, Ahsoka and crew should have had a more complex plan than bashing down the front door. And they wasted so much time travelling with the extremely slow moving turtle folk on a time sensitive mission. Nothing about it worked for me.
I did enjoy elements. Baylan is an interesting character. The scene with Ahsoka & Huyang lightsaber training Sabine was the single best presentation of Jedi training I think I've ever seen in any format. Its Luke with the remote made modern and more interesting. But to me, overall, the series set up some interesting paths it could have gone, but lacked execution in pretty severe ways.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I just want them to do better - Andor level writing and dialog with some Ahsoka styled action, larger scale battle scenes, would likely be a great point of convergence that would make a lot of fans very happy.
Retard
for the tl;dr: guys:
The fandom is made of crybabies. quite a stereotype for fandoms these days
Some people suck ALL of the time, ALL people suck SOME of the time. This saying fits here the same as it does in ANY situation. There are things that can be loved about this entire franchise, and there are things that aren't so great. But that is different for each person that looks at it. That's the point of art. It speaks differently to different people. Just like life has different perspectives for different people. This content creator is exactly right in that people don't have to be ugly to each other. Ever. It just doesn't have to happen.
Personally, I love how with every new episode of any content related to the Star Wars universe, whether it is live action or animated, we see a little more detail of this vast universe. Taken as a whole, even the bad ones add depth to what we know about this galaxy far far away. And even the stupid stuff is way cooler than the one planet we all exist on, with the same species and the same conflicts and wars that we keep repeating generation after generation.
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I was disappointed by the new trilogy and the direction Disney set, I have seen a lot of clone wars and quite liked that, I also watched some Rebels and that was not really for me, though I did see one of my all time favourite star wars moments with Maul vs Obi One that was top level for me and a real surprise/treat I am glad I did not miss out due to spite, watching Ashoka is like watching a love letter to those two shows fans and that shines out for me, I think that's why even though it's not my generation I really quite like it and I think the people who did grow up on those shows really deserve this, I think Dave loves the content and fans and I like the bar that sets, that's his his biggest plus for me, much love to all 💙💜❤
It's not Legends and therefore nobody should enjoy it.
As a star wars fan Ahsoka was mediocre. The acting was terible, the pace was all over the place, the logic wasn't there, and it was full of cameos that added little to no substance at all. And i watch Clone wars and Rebels, alongside most of the Disney shows
There are many problems I have with the show, chief among them being Rosario not having a stunt double, she is sooooooo
sluggish compared to the other actor(s) just get her a stunt double and there is one of the things that rips me out of an episode gone.
again other problems but this is the one I've decided to bring up.
Nitpicking is an issue. But you cant ignore the glaring abundance of plotholes, 0 emotion from ahsoka + sabine, thrawn being an idiot, soooo many coincidences. And of course, anakins lesson was redundant and confusing. Filoni is a meh writer. I used to think he was a god, but this show really opened my eyes.
Cope
there is a difference between a consumer and a fan and you sound like a consumer.
Lol you trying to gatekeep the title of fan?
try again..@@Skizzy461
This guy is all about opinion. Ill go with facts about the woke agenda. Go ahead and respond to this? Ahsoka is a feminist propaganda piece. Here is some quotes from Dave Filoni.
“I think of myself as very, I like to think liberal minded, but was I as much in practice as I was in theory for what I thought I was. We have to be diligent to break these types of age old biases.”
“I want dimensional, diverse characters. I want characters that are women of every race, every age, every description, what have you, doing interesting things and being dynamic. That’s what we are dedicated to at Lucasfilm,”
Filoni then outlined Lucasfilm’s vision for Star Wars, “This is what we tried to do with the Star Wars Saga. We tried to create more female characters that can represent so many things. Because what we are trying to do isn’t just create one type of character, we are trying to create a diverse range of characters especially female characters that are strong, that are independent.”
There have been important female characters since day 1 - Princess Leia and Padme. Ahsoka has existed since 2008 and have been in numerous shows under Dave and even George before he sold the company. The Ahsoka show literally is the continuation of the Rebels show and it is tied directly into the "Mandoverse".
So what's the problem? Is it because there's a bunch of female characters in the show? The cast has to be male led? Your focus on these quotes distracts you from the whole point of the show.
If Ahsoka was being handled like Rey then I'd be with ya. But I disagree when it comes to Ahsoka. Rey was the one characters that was pushed to unrealistic limits.
@Analyze_This54 so you're just gonna ignore all the quotes from Dave Filoni that I posted? He literally admits to having an agenda. It's not about being creative. It's not about having a good show. It's about a LGBTQ, feminist, woke agenda. The problem is the woke agenda. Feminism. How are you clueless of my point?
Everything you said is just to dodge my whole point. Disney has literally had whistle blowers who have exposed Disney's agenda to promote LGBTQ, Feminist woke propaganda in children's shows. Star Wars is no different. Their main goal is to implement the woke agenda and narrative into popular shows that normal people enjoy. And that has been a stable of entertainment for many decades. You don't see a problem with that? If you don't have a problem with this agenda. Then, you are considered a shill. And I have no problem with females at all. I have a problem with feminist, LGBTQ woke corporations with an agenda to brainwash kids and force their bs down everyone's throats. Using already established shows, etc, like Star Wars, for example.
If Dave Filoni and all the writers for Star Wars are so great. Why is every show flopping? Why have they lost billions upon billions of dollars? Why was George Lucas successful, but Disney is a failure? You can have an opinion. But it's a fact that the majority of people are against it. I loved Star Wars growing up. And a bunch of other Disney movies. Can you at least admit that these people who are running Lucas Films have an agenda? Can you admit that this is nothing like Star Wars that was created by George Lucas? I mean, it's a fact they ditched everything he created.
😂😂😂😂😂 aw poor fragile incel can’t stand women getting fair treatment
So Uncivilized put it best at the end of his Anti-Trilogy video.
If you're so frustrated with the way that Disney is portraying Star Wars why don't you buy the Star Wars franchise from Disney and start your own no one will criticise you will they
Get woke, Go Broke.
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A big issue with the Star Wars fandom is most of them (Including EU fans, Cannon fans, and even including some Prequel Trilogy fans and Sequel Trilogy fans) get very upset and butthurt that Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back is not everyone's favorite Star Wars movie or isn't ranked #1.
Here's MY ranking of The Star Wars movie (Mainline Movies To Make It More Straightforward) Best To Worst:
Great Ones:
1. Star Wars Episode VI: Return of The Jedi (1984).
2. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (1978).
3. Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (1981).
Bad Ones:
4. Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of The Sith (2005).
5. Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (1999).
6. Star Wars Episode II: Attack of The Clones (2002).
7. Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015).
8. Star Wars Episode IX: Rise of Skywalker (2019).
9. Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi (2017).
Why I consider to be bad isn't too unpopular, especially with my ranking of the Sequel Trilogy. Yes, I do rank the Original Trilogy as the only ones that I love. However, the way I ranked the Original Trilogy is very unpopular. Yes, A New Hope is ranked #2 like the majority of Star Wars fans. However, unlike the vocal minority of Star Wars fans, most people have Empire Strikes Back as #1 and consider Return of The Jedi to be weakest of the original trilogy. I don't align with that. Return of The Jedi is not only my favorite of the original trilogy but my favorite Star wars movie period and one of my favorite movies of all time. Yes, I love the Ewoks, I love that Luke and Leia are siblings, I love the second Death Star (No it’s not a repeat of A New Hope if you actually pay attention to the movie), and yes I like the Jabba’s Palace arc (No it’s not convoluted if you pay attention to the movie). I love Empire Strikes Back, don't get me wrong, but I do think it's a tad overrated, and it's actually my least favorite of the original. This is something that most Star Wars do not want to hear especially those who think Empire Stikes Back is their favorite and consider Return of The Jedi the weakest of the original trilogy. Not everyone is going to have Empire Strikes Back as their favorite Star Wars movie and not everyone is going to think Return of The Jedi is the weakest. There are going to be people who think A New Hope and Return of The Jedi are better than Empire Strikes Back and they’re going to exist. Some people will have A New Hope as #1, Some people will have Return of The Jedi as #1 and Empire Strikes Back is not going to be #1on every single Star Wars list or ranking. It’s fine if they don’t agree with that but they need to get over it and go outside and touch grass. If Empire Strikes Back is your favorite Star Wars movie, that’s awesome. If you think Return of The Jedi is the weakest of the original trilogy, cool and nothing wrong with that. If you think Empire Strikes Back is better than A New Hope and Return of The Jedi, more power to ya. But you just can’t force that force that on people. I think that’s the biggest problem I’ve noticed with the Star Wars fandom. They just get so butthurt that Empire Strikes Back isn’t #1 on other people’s ranking.
As an original fan from the 70's Star Wars ended with Empire. I hated everything since until Mandalorian began, then it went to shit, Ahsoka is the only one I mildly have enjoyed. Thrawn is a very big deal to me, Zahn's books were all I had when the original trilogy ended so I hold that universe dear. Thrawn's physical appearance is not what I would have done but his manners and attitude are perfect.
I've never been too bothered about physical appearances as long as the performance is good. A perfect example is Mark Addy as Robert Baratheon in GoT. Looks nothing like how Robert is described but his performance was spot-on