@@SapphireSolstice67 probably true, he didn’t know about it though. Would have been interesting to have seen a discussion about the entertainment schedule for the wedding. Just as another clue for Tyrion that he was framed.
@@wafflingmean4477 Tyrion had a line where Cersei starts to cry, 'He could have been less suprised if Aegon the Conqueror rode in on a dragon, juggling apples with his hands than seeing Cersei cry' I usually like Jaime's sense of humour better than all, in the books. He's really like Tyrion, just was so good a swordsman, he never needed to beat someone with words. He always thought stuff like 'Tyrion would have find something to convince these fools, but all I can think of is to get a hold of a sword and kill them all'
I don't get this complaint. The white ravens flew at the end of season 6, with snow on the ground at Winterfell. There is snow on the ground in Kings Landing in the last episode. That is a lot longer than two seconds.
It's like in the books when someone calls Jamie a coward and for a moment he's more confused than insulted (if I remember right it was Brienne after he lost his hand). He's been given pretty much every insult under the sun for breaking his holy oath and betraying his king but the one thing people never called him was a coward given by how skilfully and bravely he fought. Even one of Robb Stark's men (who all hated the Kingslayer with a passion) commented on how one could not fault Jamie for his bravery.
Adam K There are some theories that say Tywin actually had a hand in Joffrey's death, and I wouldn't put it past Tywin. He's smart, Joffrey was uncontrollable, Tommen is a much better puppet king.
GeneTheDude Yep. Actually the convo she had with Tywin where she had to eat crow on both her demands.........it is not out of the question where if she submitted to Loras and Cersei etc if she got Tywin to agree to off Joffrey. He knew as well that he was a shit King who didnt listen, and with all his terrible impulse choices, they could be at war at any time. I wouldnt put it past Tywin to agree/offer to put Tommen in instead, knowing Olenna was also real uneasy with knowing Joffrey was sick in the head. Also with how he didnt even question the Tyrells and went so hard after Tyrion, Tywin is no dummy I dont think he could just be fooled so easy like that
HolyknightVader999 That and Tyrion respects very intelligent people. With that and Olenna being the leading lady of a house and a wise elder, Tyrion wanted to play his cards right.
+LEDN42 She was the one about whom Maester Targaryan was speaking when he talked about the women he loved, and wanted to marry, but their families had other plans, just so that you all know and remember...
I don't think he mentioned any woman by name, he just said that as a Targaryen prince he had many women throwing themselves at him. What we do know, because of the books, is that Olenna was engaged to Daeron, maester Aemon's nephew, but he was gay and refused to marry her, or any other woman. In the books and the show she claims it was her who put an end to the engagement, but it seems it was the other way around.
She did convince her sister's fiancee to marry her instead of her sister just by going to his bedroom and having sex with him. Must have been some night for him to change his mind immediately by the next day.
@@KingBobXVI Especially given Tyrion's inspiring speech to Jon about wearing his weakness like an armor. Tyrion has certainly learned to be entirely unphased by dwarf jokes.
@@KingBobXVI specially when they insult your strong qualities, Olenna just destroyed him at the intelectual level, witch is Tyrion's strongest atribute
@@guifdcanalli so right. he spent a lifetime hearing stupid ass dwarf jokes, they're nothing to him. the people who throw those kind of insults tend to be easy marks, tyrion would run verbal circles around them and leave them stuttering. he truly does wear the dwarf part like armor. but when olenna makes him feel dumb and slow, he's so flustered
Not sure she meant to frame Tyrion specifically. No one had any way of knowing what Weasel Boy was going to do, and Tyrion was in the wrong place at the wrong time. God, I wish they could have kept Olena around though.
@@abbyiswatching2046 Yeah I think they viewed Tyrion's altercation with Joffrey at the wedding combined with Cersei's delusional obsession that Tyrion was always working against her as merely an opportunity they could capitalise on. I don't think there was even a plan to frame anyone initially. They worked it into their plan because a candidate presented itself and otherwise the assassins would have been unknown. They would have just had to flimsily blame it on Stannis, which would be doubted by many given he was so far away and had so little strength and support left. I think Tywin and Tyrion would have called bullshit on that pretty quickly. They wouldn't have ruled Stannis out, but they would have taken into account someone else might have been behind it. Another fortunate thing for the Tyrells was that having Tyrion be the scapegoat was perfect because it was the one person that might blind Tywin through hatred into condemning the wrong man and thinking the matter settled.
Yolo Swaggins Yh so? People can Tywin is a dangerous person. Tyrion comes across as a drunken whore monger which causes people to let their guard down.
Lady Olenna is clearly more than just the matriarch of House Tyrell. She knew every single figure for everything they've given to the Crown - soldiers, food, drink. She keeps tabs on everything that the Tyrells do. She's the reason they're so successful.
+jontyriondaenerys of course, you think the fool mace tyrell knows anything lol. She's been running house tyrell ever since she married into the tyrell family, and she has been grooming margaery for the role ever since she was born. id say house tyrell is the only westeros house besides dorne that actually allows its women to be given real power (i'd also mention lysa arryn but i think the vale bannermen did most of the work of managing the vale)
Havent read the novels, so i am unsure if Lady Olenna has much of a backstory or not. But it's hard to imagine her being 'allowed' or 'given' power, more likely that she had the inner strength and cunning to seize and then maintain it. Which is remarkable, considering that in this timeframe (fictional as it may be) a noblewoman's education probably consisted of things like singing, dancing, and sewing.
I mean it's a very healthy thing do in reality. Her son and husband quite portly men but she is not (don't be fooled by the giant gown). Her healthy habits are probably what's kept her mind sharp all these years. Plus she's a Redwyne. World renowned for their wine varieties. Drinking a glass or two of red wine a day combined a variety of fruits and vegetables the Reach has in vast quantities is incredibly healthy for someone living in a medieval setting. Notice the Lannisters, Baratheons, or Starks diet by comparison? The only people who come close are the Dornish who probably also consume a very Mediterranean type diet. Dorran and Oberyn are also quite mentally quick.
That's not really a proper foreshadow imo :/ No one would have guessed that it was Lady Olenna behind it all just because she told Tyrion she was helping to plan it. After all, she is the grandmother of the bride and grandmothers do usually help out with weddings.
you could suspect olenna. I mean she is basically the mastermind of house Tyrell and highly cunning to the point where she's considered a girl tywin. She hates the lannisters. And she cares deeply for Margaery. even though she knows that Margaery could easily manipulate Joffrey, he could have one bad day and then take it out on her and break her in. If Joffrey dies, a manipulatable boy would be king, the Tyrells could get more power (I mean look at how easy it was for the high sparrow to manipulate tommen), Margaery would be queen, the alliance would continue and Margaery wouldn't have to worry.
How is this not a foreshadow? Olenna orchestrated the whole murder of Joffrey. It is only natural that she was the one who planned the wedding, since thus she would know how to kill him best. Those two things just go hand in hand.
watch the entirety of the series after a new season finishes airing and come back. but tommen was easily to manipulate because: 1. he was a second son, so they were given less education than the heir. he was also mostly ignored, so he probably got a worse education. 2. he had lost his sister, 'father', grandfather, etc and usually when one deals with grief, religion comes quick. 3. cersei had a hand in it, since she probably made him pliable since he was an infant. if you read affc specifically the chapter where tommen yells at her, you'll see what I mean.
I love how she plays the part of the irascible old crone forgetful about the war, more concerned about her slow bowels than political matters, just long enough to lull him into confidence and then pull the rug from under him and show the Coin Master who's boss. Tyrion might enjoy the Game, but Olenna has played it for decades. A great character played by a great actress.
FangBanger Tyrion was much cleverer and kept his mouth shut knowing he was going to get what he wanted. He needed a favour and he knew insulting her wasn't going to work.
@@jonathanxavier2026 Yeah I think as Hand of the King with a more equal position and maybe if the Lannisters didn't depend on the Tyrells so much at this point he'd have been far more witty. He was keeping quiet because if he offended her she might say no and the Lannisters would be losing a lot of money and the Crown would be in far more debt. Even so, I think she roasted him far more than he expected.
@@jonathanxavier2026 Its also de to fact Tyrells can still be a political enemy, and since this is first time him meeting her, giving your enemy anything more than you need to is foolish and arsenal to their ammo, not to mention, Tyrion actually was taken aback by how well she kept tracks of tyrell's contribution to the war, and he still needed favours.
@@sirocco2810 Its same as Jamie being called a coward it had him "???" Its just one of those things that makes NO sense, it literally goes against their being, rather than feeling insulted, its one of those things you feel like "is this person serious and stupid or just seriously stupid?"
Olenna knows no matter what the wedding must go on or else the planned assassination of Joffrey would be ruined. She cant act too keen to pay the 50% or else it would be obvious she was up to something, instead she plays around with Tyrion so easily that he wouldnt suspect her when the day arrived Joffrey was killed.
@@fernandostephen2449 Uh she doesn't want to have grand daughter married to a complete psychopath? The next in line was Tommen and we saw how that shit went down lol
@@subutaynoyan5372 How did the wine get poisoned at the center table (Margery and Jofferey's), if I can ask? I did not see Olenna coming near the bride and groom with hidden vile...and she sat at the side table all the time.
Xander Alex the next book is probably going to be the best. I doubt Martin would do the mostakes Dumb and Dumber made. The guy is very perfectionist and don't like to make things that don't go well, he likes to build the story so well closed that you can see that even the Minor detail is something important.
If I was Tyrion, I'd take that as a compliment. Being called every foul thing under the sun , and one prison calls him quiet/boring and sees and openly acknowledges the abuse he goes through.
After Olenna thoroughly chews him out, Tyrion's face can only be described as: "Usually *I'm* the one doing the rebuking, and this old woman has my number in verbal combat. So *that's* what that feels like." Props to Diana Rigg acting opposite to Peter Dinklage.
mattaddison19 She did let him speak at the start and then went on to destroy him completely. But Oberyn also burned Tyrion. Olenna is not the only one ..
If they were both free to say whatever it would have likely been more equal but given how the Lannisters need the Tyrell's and the Tyrell's don't need the Lannisters he had to be careful not to insult.
yep it's interesting how she keeps the upper hand in conversations. Even while actually conceding a huge amount of money she manages to make it happen on her own terms and Tyrion is left feeling like he was just at the mercy of a higher power.
Props to both of them. Tyrion KNOWS he's beaten, and just tries to salvage what he can of his dignity. Dinklage and Rigg both were great in this scene.
The Second Olenna heard Tyrion send for her, she knew exactly what it was about, and decided right then and there that House Tyrell would help burden the expenses. She didn't climb up all those steps to iron out the details, she climbed up all those steps to verbally abuse Tyrion. And that's exactly what's to love about the Queen of Thorns.
I think part of the decision to help pay for the wedding was the fact she knew she would be murdering the king at that wedding. The fact she is paying 50% for the wedding makes House Tyrell seem innocent in the ensuing murder of the King. It’s also a marketing move because since the king will die there, EVERYONE will be talking about the wedding and the fact house Tyrell paid half will be on everyone’s tongues
"The People are hungry for more than just food, they crave distractions, and if we don't provide them they'll provide their own, and their distractions are likely to end with us being torn to pieces" This single statement pretty much sums up the way in which all society's maintain their established orders.
@Quetzalcoatl Well yeah cause in feudal society when the peasantry got uppity you just rode them down with your knights. Was basically like a bunch of people with sticks trying to fight tanks
@@ProjectEkerTest33 Also, the common people that time didn't have the level of entertainment as we do now. Less entertainment = fewer tastes and knowledge of the world = fewer distractions. Everything changed after scientific revolution.
He didn't "win" anything. It was an argument she didn't care about--she had already decided what to do before he raised the question. She just enjoys toying with him.
She seems like the kind of woman who enjoys an intelligent or debauched conversation. And Tyrion qualifies for both categories. I sooooo wish there was more interaction between these two. I love how Tyrion's face say "Did I just get royally served by an old granny?" He's the kind of man who can laugh about it later.
Crown... 1) owes a tremendous amount of cash to Braavos (even worse now they found someone else) 2) owe millions of bushels of grain and countless livestock to the Reach, practically leeching from the Reach as a parasite 3) add all war expenses incurred in during the War of the Five Kings 4) add 6 million to the debt (Petyr Baelish in season 1) 5) add all that interest ...I wonder what is the stress level for Master of Coins
+Tianming Zhao 3 million of the 6 million at the start to Tywin Lannister (plus 100,000 for the hands tournament), which he refuses to let the crown forget.
Ofcourse, white walkers do not spend money nor do they steal money, they are financial neutral so they are no risk for oeconomy - at least thats what a banker would say. So you could say the whites are a friend to the bank
If you're not Littlefinger (who was probably throwing parties for himself over it) I imagine you're contemplating how you're supposed to avoid being executed or sent to the Night's Watch. So pretty damn high.
@@Killzoneguy117 I think that two major effects will happen to Westeros at the end of the series. The first is King's Landing will be levelled by the hidden caches of wildfire, and the Iron Throne destroyed. The Iron Throne was literally the symbol of Aegon Conquering Westeros. In time, it was so legendary that it is its own legitimising force for a ruler. Whoever sits the Iron Throne is king. It is the very symbol of the realm itself, and the only thing that allows non Targaryen rulers like Robert, Joffrey and Tommen to hold the crown. Without it, and without Targaryens, there is no legitimate ruler for all of Westeros. Combine that with the entire wealth of the 'Crown' completely collapsing due to massive debt, and no royalist force can actually exert any power over the great houses of Westeros. The combination of these two things I think will be the realm splinters into many kingdoms once again.
I love how shocked Tyrion is that Olynna actually agreed pay for half the expenses. He's like "damn that's the first thing that was ever accomplished without violence in the history of Westeros"
Diana Riggs brought a bit of class to the GoT... her sharp wit, beautiful and persuasive dialogue, her demeanour her presence oozes British acting at it’s finest.. if only she had more roles like this... a certain award winning actress..
"The people are hungry for more than just food. They crave distractions, and if we don't provide them, they'll create their own. And their distractions are likely to end with us being torn to pieces.
“I was told you were drunk, impertinent and thoroughly debauched. You can imagine my disappointment at finding nothing but a browbeaten bookkeeper” That was potentially the most savage insult in the entire show. Gods, the writing was strong then.
What, are you guys serious? That was a compliment, a flattery. Olenna basically said Tyrion was just a normal person; a dwarf yes, but normal, not a monster.
I just don't understand why everyone says it went to shit after 4. It absolutely did *not* 5-6 were definitely less grand than 3-4(and 1-2 were actually on the tame side... But you can't blame them for it. We need build up to set context), but they weren't badly executed or badly written, overall Things didn't start really turning to shit until season 7
Stannis Baratheon I'd add Prince Oberyn to this list. He was extremely intelligent and arrogant but not overbearing. He's what my grandmother would call "nice nasty" LOL!
jdsthird Prince Oberyn was intelligent, but he himself wouldn't have been a good Game of Thrones combatant if it wasn't for his brother, Doran Martell, doing all the planning. So I'd say that if you include both of them as a team, then I'd add them to the list.
I think one thing people tend to overlook for this type of scene is that Tyrion should also be credited for listening to reason. That's one thing Tywin spoke of when talking about what wisdom is. He is listening to someone with a wealth of knowledge and experience and concedes that she is right, while still settling for a better position than before the exchange.
@Arruda a very intelligent old woman who even the time she was poisoned managed to make the lannisters look like fools. A rouse with thorns strong and sharp enough to strike a lion.
@@lindacartwright5100 Joffrey was very twisted and evil, also very stupid and foolish. He only lived as many years as he did by hiding behind his family's protection. They didn't see Lady Olenna as a threat (and never would have figured it out had she not told them as she was dying).
Lady Olenna was the only character that could put Tyrion on the spot and at a loss for a come-back. God, it's depressing listening to good dialogue and plotting, knowing how the series ended......
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Actually, it's because at the time he was having troubles with taking a proper shit (he even asked the maester to help him with that). And maybe she even knew about that and that's why she mentioned the figgs, as if to mock him/show him how much influence she has in the city to know that about him. It must have been intentional, I guess that "I eat this to shit well" is not a usual small-talk between two future royal family members.
Actually think about it....Lord Varys and Tyrion are ranked as some of the best players of the game in Westeros. Olenna completely saw through Varys and left Tyrion practically speechless. Its clear that she is definitely a good player and a sharper wit that Tyrion. Its seems that only Tywin can out gun her.
Littlefinger took advantage of her for his scheme to get rid of both Joffrey and Tyrion and free Sansa in the Purple Wedding plot though. So Littlefinger > Olenna/Tywin > Varys > Tyrion? But really I don't think they have any particular order, I always just think of them this way: Baelish goes all in on the short/medium term schemes (Starting the War of the Five Kings, Betraying Ned, Purple wedding...), Varys plays the really long term game which is why he has to adjust to a lot of speedbumps, whereas Tywin, Tyrion and Olenna just play the game reactively - not really scheming all that much but attempting to make the best of the cards they get dealt.
Nuclearcx littlefinger is a beast he can do long term short term he can do fucking everything by killing one king he managed to gain favor with the tyrells, get rid of both jeofry (who was an unreliable piece in the game) and tyrion (who was one of the few who saw littlefinger for what he was) he also managed to get sansa the key to the north who he can now use to strengthen his claim to the vale, the riverlands, and the north. and he managed to kill the king without being in the same city not to mention that by getting rid of tyrion he stopped tyrion from getting rid of littlefingers people in kingslanding meaning right now littlefinger controls like 80 percent of kingslanding market he could throw kings landing into economic chaos if he wished it
As far as "winning" the "game of thrones", imo Olenna has pretty much everyone beat - she didn't have a perfect run, by any means, but by age she outlived just about everyone in the show by decades. Living to that age is a win in and of itself.
"The people are hungry for more than just food: they crave distractions, and if we don't provide them, they'll create their own. And their distractions are likely to end with us being torn to pieces." Boy does this sound familiar...
I love this scene, it's one of the few times Tyrion was completely out matched with words. It does shoe how much stronger the writing was when the series was based on the books.
this series is a reflection of modern society in many ways......for instance, keeping people distracted is a tactic that most powers in the world use, to keep the people from thinking and fighting for the right things
"They crave distractions. And if we don't provide them, they'll create their own. And their distractions are likely to end with us being torn to pieces." Bread and circuses, something that's been true of any society since the Romans...
Not just the Romans. The Greeks, Carthaginians, Persians, and Egyptians all did similar things. The Greeks and Carthaginians built public facilities and activitly contributed to beautifying their cities personally to pay back the cultures that produced them so to speak. The Romans just copied this. The Persians and Egyptians built giant monuments for public use either religious or infrastructurual which again the Romans copied.
So, I grew up with Diana Rigg's Emma Peel on the Avengers, and I have to admit I was very happy that she was given such a meaty, pointed role before she passed on. You can tell that she had a Hell of a lot of fun with it. I'm not even that big a GoT fan, but just like every other high fantasy fan in the world, I loved it when she looked at Jaime and said, 'Tell Cercei it was me...'
hmmmm Just realized.... listening to all of those stats of what House Tyrell is sending to Kings Landing. With Olena on the Targaryens side ALL of the resources are gone. So.... that's gonna fuck things up quick. Damn
I didn't really follow the show but I love these scenes. Showing how a kingdom is actually run, the council meetings etc When you get to see how things are run and the logistics in any show, I find it interesting.
"I was told you were drunk, impertinent, and thoroughly divulged. You can imagine my disappointing in finding nothing but a brow-beaten bookkeeper." Pretty much how I feel about season 5+ Tyrion.
I love how Olenna and Oberyn both told him what they were expecting when they met him and said that they were disappointed in what they saw and how regular he seems in comparison. They both basically call him boring when his rumors make him out to be something much worse.
@@ricardo7308 yeah his face is all ruined with his nose missing But I mean the show tyrion. Olenna mentioned the rumors and it wasn't calling him a little imo/ demon- she was actually bored that he reads alot and is disinterested. And Oberyn gave the whole speech of that's not a monster that's a baby. His face during these exchanges... he's a great actor
12,000 infantry men 1,800 mounted lances 2,000 in support provisions 1,000,000 bushels of wheat 500,000 bushels of barley 500,000 bushels of oats 500,000 bushels of rye 20,000 heads of cattle 50,000 sheep Wow. And yet the Sparrows could lay a hand on Margrey and Loras. Tyrells really just don't like making people suffer.
The casting of Olenna was brilliant. Other than her tremendous performance. Margaery Tyrell actress Natalie Dormer looks exactly like Diana Rigg in her prime. Perfect to play Grandmother and Granddaughter.
This has such a different context once you realize there was no way she was going to give up murdering Joffery. She was just doing what needed to be done for the good of the realm.
Lady Olenna was such a firecracker to the very end. I loved her character who was brilliantly portrayed by the late Diana Rigg. Rest in Peace, Darling!
"I climbed all these steps to discuss financial matter?" She was pissed- she knew what he was getting at and was already willing to contribute more; but the Queen of Thorns could not resist tearing his ass apart in the process 😭🤣😂 *Notice Tyrion grabbing a fig right at the end? She upset him that much 😅
Now that he's Daenery's hand and she's one of Daenerys' allies, maybe they'll meet again. Btw, I think one of the reasons why she decided to pay 50% of the costs is because he didn't argue with her logic. He knew she talked sense and she won the argument, he accepted that she was right ("I would") even if it meant that as a Master of Coin he was totally fuc*** up. She recognized it. She didn't even care paying half the costs (she knew the crown would be in deep sh** otherwise), but if Cersei asked her to do the same, playing the usual asshole-Cersei, Olenna would say 'no' just to spite her.
There may be another reason she proposed an even split of the cost. In many real-life cultures, "guest right" or "sacred hospitality" were VERY serious business. Just look at what happened with the Red Wedding. Even people opposed to the Starks considered what the Freys did to be repugnant. It's also mentioned in Bran's story about the Rat King. By splitting the cost 50-50 between the Tyrtells and the Lannisters, defining which one was the host and which was the guest becomes a bit murky, and could be considered a loophole in the rule.
liz you can't know that. Maybe there were some Tyrell guards who looked the other way when Olenna put the poison in the cup or when Sansa was escaping with Dontos who wouldn't have been there otherwise if she hadn't been planning the wedding. Olenna doesn't strike me as the type who would have volunteered for the job otherwise, she isn't a 'girly' woman like Sansa who loves weddings and knights and favours. She did it to plan the murder and she couldn't risk Tyrion interfering to save some money.
If Tywin took figs midafternoon,like Olenna, he'd still be alive.
Danny Hernandez haven't had a laugh like this in a while, cheers
Danny Hernandez Brilliant.
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Danny Hernandez lol, too funny. made my day
Tyrion at the end thinking: 'What the fuck just happened here?!'
Lmao
Maybe she was making sure he doesn’t cut the dwarf performance for the budget, to make him the suspect of the murder
No Tyrion came to this meeting expecting to be owned...
@@SapphireSolstice67 probably true, he didn’t know about it though. Would have been interesting to have seen a discussion about the entertainment schedule for the wedding. Just as another clue for Tyrion that he was framed.
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Best part is that she knows from the beginning that she is going to pay 50% and just verbally thrashes him for sport.
poleag 😂😂 too right
So true!!!
X G even lady Mormont torn him apart
@@DubFanLatino lady mormont would wipe the floor with anyone in the show
@X G Jon would just reply with "You're my queen" and "I don't want it"
Had it been season 7 or 8, Podrick could easily have gone to Volantis and back in the span of two minutes.
Podrick never unlocked that location
Haha good one
varys could do it 😂
*YOU CANNOT FAST TRAVEL WHEN ENEMIES ARE NEARBY*
Shut up mike
"He was beginning to wonder if Lord Luthor had ridden off that cliff intentionally."
omg please tell me that's a real line from the books.
ooh it was intentional all right, perhaps not his though...
@@wafflingmean4477 Yes, it is XD
@@wafflingmean4477 Tyrion had a line where Cersei starts to cry, 'He could have been less suprised if Aegon the Conqueror rode in on a dragon, juggling apples with his hands than seeing Cersei cry'
I usually like Jaime's sense of humour better than all, in the books. He's really like Tyrion, just was so good a swordsman, he never needed to beat someone with words.
He always thought stuff like 'Tyrion would have find something to convince these fools, but all I can think of is to get a hold of a sword and kill them all'
Lol
"Supplies so that the city might survive the winter"
Season 8: "what winter?"
The one that was coming for the last 7 seasons and lasted for a full 2 seconds, a longer summer means an even longer winter!
I don't get this complaint. The white ravens flew at the end of season 6, with snow on the ground at Winterfell. There is snow on the ground in Kings Landing in the last episode. That is a lot longer than two seconds.
Mike Spangler uhm... sorry to tell you... but that was not snow... that was ashes... dany became Queen of the ashes...
Vaas Montengro Look at the shots where Dany is lying on the ground; it’s snow no doubt
Daniel Cohen on those shots it looks like it could be either snow or ashes, especially since ashes look deceptively like snow a lot
I love the look on Tyrion's face at 1:56 I reckon he's been insulted in just about every way but he's never been described as boring before lol.
+Knodd_FX i think thats the most insulting thing ever. You can see him wanting to scream "I AM NOT BORING I PARTIED SO HARD BEFORE I GOT THIS JOB!"
"You dont partake?" ~Oberyn Martell.
Tyrion mellowed out when he got responsibilities, a shame really.
It's like in the books when someone calls Jamie a coward and for a moment he's more confused than insulted (if I remember right it was Brienne after he lost his hand). He's been given pretty much every insult under the sun for breaking his holy oath and betraying his king but the one thing people never called him was a coward given by how skilfully and bravely he fought. Even one of Robb Stark's men (who all hated the Kingslayer with a passion) commented on how one could not fault Jamie for his bravery.
The look of someone who can't tell if they've just been insulted or complimented. For Tyrion that's quite something.
The "???" face.
Olenna Tyrell is the only person that can out talk Tyrion, Tywin, and Varys. She's such a boss.
Out talk perhaps, but not out play, the Tyrells are powerful, but only Olenna has a brain among them.
Silver Eagle and she killed tywins grandson.......
Adam K There are some theories that say Tywin actually had a hand in Joffrey's death, and I wouldn't put it past Tywin. He's smart, Joffrey was uncontrollable, Tommen is a much better puppet king.
GeneTheDude Yep. Actually the convo she had with Tywin where she had to eat crow on both her demands.........it is not out of the question where if she submitted to Loras and Cersei etc if she got Tywin to agree to off Joffrey. He knew as well that he was a shit King who didnt listen, and with all his terrible impulse choices, they could be at war at any time. I wouldnt put it past Tywin to agree/offer to put Tommen in instead, knowing Olenna was also real uneasy with knowing Joffrey was sick in the head. Also with how he didnt even question the Tyrells and went so hard after Tyrion, Tywin is no dummy I dont think he could just be fooled so easy like that
She comes close to outtalking Lord Varys, but he still reigns supreme, being the Spider and all.
Lady Olenna: The only person who can own Tyrion in conversations
That's because Tyrion already lost his power when his father came back.
HolyknightVader999 That and Tyrion respects very intelligent people. With that and Olenna being the leading lady of a house and a wise elder, Tyrion wanted to play his cards right.
Shin Anthony What about the Red Viper ?
Oberyn did own Tyrion ..
Siran424 I'd put Oberyn in a category of his own. Man had everything needed to be an all around bad ass.
+First Last Except common sense.
Olenna strikes me as a woman who was quite wild in her prime.
+LEDN42 She was the one about whom Maester Targaryan was speaking when he talked about the women he loved, and wanted to marry, but their families had other plans, just so that you all know and remember...
+ExposingZionistEvil no it wasn't Olenna. Definitely not.
I don't think he mentioned any woman by name, he just said that as a Targaryen prince he had many women throwing themselves at him. What we do know, because of the books, is that Olenna was engaged to Daeron, maester Aemon's nephew, but he was gay and refused to marry her, or any other woman. In the books and the show she claims it was her who put an end to the engagement, but it seems it was the other way around.
She did convince her sister's fiancee to marry her instead of her sister just by going to his bedroom and having sex with him. Must have been some night for him to change his mind immediately by the next day.
She also had a lot to lose if it hadn't worked. She was quite confident in her success.
The best part is that when Olenna disses Tyrion, she doesn't make dwarf jokes. She just reminds him how incredibly whipped and tame he is rn.
And which, I'm sure, is far more biting an insult than a dwarf joke.
@@davidbouncer3760 - definitely. The most impactful insults are the ones you _haven't_ heard before.
@@KingBobXVI Especially given Tyrion's inspiring speech to Jon about wearing his weakness like an armor. Tyrion has certainly learned to be entirely unphased by dwarf jokes.
@@KingBobXVI specially when they insult your strong qualities, Olenna just destroyed him at the intelectual level, witch is Tyrion's strongest atribute
@@guifdcanalli so right. he spent a lifetime hearing stupid ass dwarf jokes, they're nothing to him. the people who throw those kind of insults tend to be easy marks, tyrion would run verbal circles around them and leave them stuttering. he truly does wear the dwarf part like armor. but when olenna makes him feel dumb and slow, he's so flustered
Tyrion: "we need more money to pay for the wedding"
Ollena: "blimey... it's already costing a lot to kill the king and frame you."
"What?"
"What?..."
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Not sure she meant to frame Tyrion specifically. No one had any way of knowing what Weasel Boy was going to do, and Tyrion was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
God, I wish they could have kept Olena around though.
@@abbyiswatching2046 Yeah I think they viewed Tyrion's altercation with Joffrey at the wedding combined with Cersei's delusional obsession that Tyrion was always working against her as merely an opportunity they could capitalise on. I don't think there was even a plan to frame anyone initially. They worked it into their plan because a candidate presented itself and otherwise the assassins would have been unknown. They would have just had to flimsily blame it on Stannis, which would be doubted by many given he was so far away and had so little strength and support left.
I think Tywin and Tyrion would have called bullshit on that pretty quickly. They wouldn't have ruled Stannis out, but they would have taken into account someone else might have been behind it. Another fortunate thing for the Tyrells was that having Tyrion be the scapegoat was perfect because it was the one person that might blind Tywin through hatred into condemning the wrong man and thinking the matter settled.
OP's post was hilarious! "What?"..."What?"😂😂😂
Oh shit. 😂
Such a pity she never saw him at his best. I think they would have gotten along brilliantly.
+Kenazzle You mean his best when he made himself an enemy of everyone else in the castle and got his face hacked off for it?
+jumjalalabash yes that best. If Olenna could have seen S1-2 Tyrion, she would have loved him (I think)
Tyrion is the most likable of the Lannisters and the most pleasant to deal with BUT also the most dangerous and manipulative.
Most dangerous and manipulative? Ummm, you know Tywin is a Lannister, right?
Yolo Swaggins Yh so? People can Tywin is a dangerous person. Tyrion comes across as a drunken whore monger which causes people to let their guard down.
Lady Olenna is clearly more than just the matriarch of House Tyrell. She knew every single figure for everything they've given to the Crown - soldiers, food, drink. She keeps tabs on everything that the Tyrells do. She's the reason they're so successful.
+jontyriondaenerys of course, you think the fool mace tyrell knows anything lol. She's been running house tyrell ever since she married into the tyrell family, and she has been grooming margaery for the role ever since she was born. id say house tyrell is the only westeros house besides dorne that actually allows its women to be given real power (i'd also mention lysa arryn but i think the vale bannermen did most of the work of managing the vale)
Havent read the novels, so i am unsure if Lady Olenna has much of a backstory or not. But it's hard to imagine her being 'allowed' or 'given' power, more likely that she had the inner strength and cunning to seize and then maintain it. Which is remarkable, considering that in this timeframe (fictional as it may be) a noblewoman's education probably consisted of things like singing, dancing, and sewing.
andytc11 Book Olenna doesnt have half as much importance as show Olenna. And yeah I agree!
I'd say that if you're lucky enough to have Diana Rigg in your cast, you're going to take advantage of it as much as you can.
In the books its clearly implied how much important is olenna , only coz she appeared for less time doesnt mean is less important
Tyrion in the end going “give me that” is so funny to me. It’s as if to say “This is what she eats? This is what gives her strength?”
🤣😂 It's as if he admitted that she handed his ass to him.
I like the implication of what his current position as Master of Coin is doing to his bowels, which is why he ends up taking a fig lmao
Yes podrick just pick that from volantis
I thought of it as he was shitting himself
I mean it's a very healthy thing do in reality. Her son and husband quite portly men but she is not (don't be fooled by the giant gown). Her healthy habits are probably what's kept her mind sharp all these years. Plus she's a Redwyne. World renowned for their wine varieties. Drinking a glass or two of red wine a day combined a variety of fruits and vegetables the Reach has in vast quantities is incredibly healthy for someone living in a medieval setting. Notice the Lannisters, Baratheons, or Starks diet by comparison? The only people who come close are the Dornish who probably also consume a very Mediterranean type diet. Dorran and Oberyn are also quite mentally quick.
Tyrion: "It's the royal wedding. I'm told you had a hand in planning it?"
Olenna: "Naturally."
Such foreshadowing.
not everything is a foreshadow...
That's not really a proper foreshadow imo :/ No one would have guessed that it was Lady Olenna behind it all just because she told Tyrion she was helping to plan it. After all, she is the grandmother of the bride and grandmothers do usually help out with weddings.
you could suspect olenna. I mean she is basically the mastermind of house Tyrell and highly cunning to the point where she's considered a girl tywin. She hates the lannisters. And she cares deeply for Margaery. even though she knows that Margaery could easily manipulate Joffrey, he could have one bad day and then take it out on her and break her in. If Joffrey dies, a manipulatable boy would be king, the Tyrells could get more power (I mean look at how easy it was for the high sparrow to manipulate tommen), Margaery would be queen, the alliance would continue and Margaery wouldn't have to worry.
How is this not a foreshadow?
Olenna orchestrated the whole murder of Joffrey.
It is only natural that she was the one who planned the wedding, since thus she would know how to kill him best.
Those two things just go hand in hand.
watch the entirety of the series after a new season finishes airing and come back.
but tommen was easily to manipulate because:
1. he was a second son, so they were given less education than the heir. he was also mostly ignored, so he probably got a worse education.
2. he had lost his sister, 'father', grandfather, etc and usually when one deals with grief, religion comes quick.
3. cersei had a hand in it, since she probably made him pliable since he was an infant. if you read affc specifically the chapter where tommen yells at her, you'll see what I mean.
''We're at war, Lady Olenna...''
''Oh! I nearly forgotten!''
And then proceeds to tell him everything about it by hearth
Danny nearly forgot, why shouldn't Olenna?
Oh, where did the good writing go :`(
I'd*
*Olenna kinda forgot about the festivities and Euron's forces-
"Where did you go for them, Volantis?" omg, olenna
i think this conversation is one of my favorites because its between two of my favorite persons
mariaarakal *Volantis
I need to see penis erected make intercourse with virgin
wtf
Volantis figs are dope, even Lady Olenna knows that...
I love Granny Sassypants.
+FallaciousScotsman lol
Different sides of the same coin.
+aroundtheworlda in a loving way
She needs to meet up with little Sassypants Lyanna Mormont!
Where do you think spongebob got the name, spongebob backsasspants?
I love how she plays the part of the irascible old crone forgetful about the war, more concerned about her slow bowels than political matters, just long enough to lull him into confidence and then pull the rug from under him and show the Coin Master who's boss. Tyrion might enjoy the Game, but Olenna has played it for decades. A great character played by a great actress.
FangBanger Tyrion was much cleverer and kept his mouth shut knowing he was going to get what he wanted. He needed a favour and he knew insulting her wasn't going to work.
@@jonathanxavier2026 Yeah I think as Hand of the King with a more equal position and maybe if the Lannisters didn't depend on the Tyrells so much at this point he'd have been far more witty. He was keeping quiet because if he offended her she might say no and the Lannisters would be losing a lot of money and the Crown would be in far more debt. Even so, I think she roasted him far more than he expected.
Being called boring still had him like "???" But they both went into this discussion knowing the Tyrells would pay up for the wedding I think.
@@jonathanxavier2026
Its also de to fact Tyrells can still be a political enemy, and since this is first time him meeting her, giving your enemy anything more than you need to is foolish and arsenal to their ammo, not to mention,
Tyrion actually was taken aback by how well she kept tracks of tyrell's contribution to the war, and he still needed favours.
@@sirocco2810
Its same as Jamie being called a coward it had him "???" Its just one of those things that makes NO sense, it literally goes against their being, rather than feeling insulted, its one of those things you feel like "is this person serious and stupid or just seriously stupid?"
"A royal wedding is much safer" - you should know Olenna ;)
It was - only one death - and nobody cried... ;-)
Very safe
Way too safe by Dothraki standards
Very safe if lady Olena didn't plan
Olenna knows no matter what the wedding must go on or else the planned assassination of Joffrey would be ruined. She cant act too keen to pay the 50% or else it would be obvious she was up to something, instead she plays around with Tyrion so easily that he wouldnt suspect her when the day arrived Joffrey was killed.
Nobody planned to frame Tyrion, though. Cersei's stupidity caused Tyrion taking the blame.
Why olenna wants to kill jofferey ...?
@@fernandostephen2449 Uh she doesn't want to have grand daughter married to a complete psychopath? The next in line was Tommen and we saw how that shit went down lol
@@fernandostephen2449 have you seen him? who doesn't want to kill joffrey.
@@subutaynoyan5372 How did the wine get poisoned at the center table (Margery and Jofferey's), if I can ask? I did not see Olenna coming near the bride and groom with hidden vile...and she sat at the side table all the time.
Now THIS is why people continue to watch the show. The intellectual banter back and forth is the best part of the show.
This comment had aged so badly. :(
@@shizu-chan3942
Nods in grim agreement
Well the books are not yet finished so at least there's that. I hope George does a really good job.
Xander Alex if you’ve read the sample chapters, you know they’re going to be crazy
Xander Alex the next book is probably going to be the best. I doubt Martin would do the mostakes Dumb and Dumber made.
The guy is very perfectionist and don't like to make things that don't go well, he likes to build the story so well closed that you can see that even the Minor detail is something important.
"Imagine my disappointment at finding nothing but a brow beaten bookkeeper..." ROFL!!!
Probably hurt him more than any insult Tywin ever threw at him
I thought she was praising him...?
No she knows that Tyrion is capable of much more because he is just kissing ass for his family’s sakw
Until she discovered he would be a hand of a ancient descent of a powerful dragon taming house she would pay some kind of respect.
If I was Tyrion, I'd take that as a compliment. Being called every foul thing under the sun , and one prison calls him quiet/boring and sees and openly acknowledges the abuse he goes through.
After Olenna thoroughly chews him out, Tyrion's face can only be described as: "Usually *I'm* the one doing the rebuking, and this old woman has my number in verbal combat. So *that's* what that feels like."
Props to Diana Rigg acting opposite to Peter Dinklage.
mattaddison19 She did let him speak at the start and then went on to destroy him completely. But Oberyn also burned Tyrion. Olenna is not the only one ..
If they were both free to say whatever it would have likely been more equal but given how the Lannisters need the Tyrell's and the Tyrell's don't need the Lannisters he had to be careful not to insult.
yep it's interesting how she keeps the upper hand in conversations. Even while actually conceding a huge amount of money she manages to make it happen on her own terms and Tyrion is left feeling like he was just at the mercy of a higher power.
Indeed
Props to both of them. Tyrion KNOWS he's beaten, and just tries to salvage what he can of his dignity. Dinklage and Rigg both were great in this scene.
The Second Olenna heard Tyrion send for her, she knew exactly what it was about, and decided right then and there that House Tyrell would help burden the expenses. She didn't climb up all those steps to iron out the details, she climbed up all those steps to verbally abuse Tyrion. And that's exactly what's to love about the Queen of Thorns.
I think part of the decision to help pay for the wedding was the fact she knew she would be murdering the king at that wedding. The fact she is paying 50% for the wedding makes House Tyrell seem innocent in the ensuing murder of the King. It’s also a marketing move because since the king will die there, EVERYONE will be talking about the wedding and the fact house Tyrell paid half will be on everyone’s tongues
"The People are hungry for more than just food, they crave distractions, and if we don't provide them they'll provide their own, and their distractions are likely to end with us being torn to pieces"
This single statement pretty much sums up the way in which all society's maintain their established orders.
@Quetzalcoatl Well yeah cause in feudal society when the peasantry got uppity you just rode them down with your knights. Was basically like a bunch of people with sticks trying to fight tanks
@@ProjectEkerTest33 Also, the common people that time didn't have the level of entertainment as we do now. Less entertainment = fewer tastes and knowledge of the world = fewer distractions. Everything changed after scientific revolution.
It's an ancient observation. The Romans famously said that "Give the masses 'bread and circuses' (panem et circensis), and they shall never revolt."
Of course. The other side, which always naturally appears green, is anarchy. Sounds good amidst day to day monotonous routine, but anarchy is chaos.
@@Amory98 But chaos is a ladder
He didn't "win" anything. It was an argument she didn't care about--she had already decided what to do before he raised the question. She just enjoys toying with him.
She seems like the kind of woman who enjoys an intelligent or debauched conversation. And Tyrion qualifies for both categories.
I sooooo wish there was more interaction between these two.
I love how Tyrion's face say "Did I just get royally served by an old granny?" He's the kind of man who can laugh about it later.
She has most definitely earned her nickname. "The Queen of Thorns" indeed.
Haha in the.books first time sansa sees her she's like there's nothing threatening about this frail lady...oh My sweet summer child
Some call her the Sultana of Sass.
@@paulinacampos1370 Sansa was absurdly naive even then.
more like the queen of burns
Crown...
1) owes a tremendous amount of cash to Braavos (even worse now they found someone else)
2) owe millions of bushels of grain and countless livestock to the Reach, practically leeching from the Reach as a parasite
3) add all war expenses incurred in during the War of the Five Kings
4) add 6 million to the debt (Petyr Baelish in season 1)
5) add all that interest
...I wonder what is the stress level for Master of Coins
+Tianming Zhao 3 million of the 6 million at the start to Tywin Lannister (plus 100,000 for the hands tournament), which he refuses to let the crown forget.
+Tianming Zhao Everyone's talking about the White Walkers but no one is talking about the inevitable financial collapse the Crown is set to face
Ofcourse, white walkers do not spend money nor do they steal money, they are financial neutral so they are no risk for oeconomy - at least thats what a banker would say. So you could say the whites are a friend to the bank
If you're not Littlefinger (who was probably throwing parties for himself over it) I imagine you're contemplating how you're supposed to avoid being executed or sent to the Night's Watch. So pretty damn high.
@@Killzoneguy117 I think that two major effects will happen to Westeros at the end of the series. The first is King's Landing will be levelled by the hidden caches of wildfire, and the Iron Throne destroyed. The Iron Throne was literally the symbol of Aegon Conquering Westeros. In time, it was so legendary that it is its own legitimising force for a ruler. Whoever sits the Iron Throne is king. It is the very symbol of the realm itself, and the only thing that allows non Targaryen rulers like Robert, Joffrey and Tommen to hold the crown. Without it, and without Targaryens, there is no legitimate ruler for all of Westeros.
Combine that with the entire wealth of the 'Crown' completely collapsing due to massive debt, and no royalist force can actually exert any power over the great houses of Westeros.
The combination of these two things I think will be the realm splinters into many kingdoms once again.
I love how shocked Tyrion is that Olynna actually agreed pay for half the expenses. He's like "damn that's the first thing that was ever accomplished without violence in the history of Westeros"
Diana Riggs brought a bit of class to the GoT... her sharp wit, beautiful and persuasive dialogue, her demeanour her presence oozes British acting at it’s finest.. if only she had more roles like this... a certain award winning actress..
She grew strong, and now her watch has ended. Rest in Peace Diana Rigg.
She was a very old rose, sooner or later her time will come anyway. Rose grows, blooms and weather and die just like everybody else.
"The people are hungry for more than just food. They crave distractions, and if we don't provide them, they'll create their own. And their distractions are likely to end with us being torn to pieces.
Oh wow, it's as if we've just watched the same scene!
@Lord Voldemort Current? Distractions have been a key part of rule since masses became too large to beat down.
By distractions she means
PURPLE WEDDING!
Season 6 comes to mind
Sounds suspiciously like current events 🤔 😅
"Where did you go for them? Volantis?" love this...
“I was told you were drunk, impertinent and thoroughly debauched. You can imagine my disappointment at finding nothing but a browbeaten bookkeeper”
That was potentially the most savage insult in the entire show. Gods, the writing was strong then.
Olennas ability to make Tyrion look foolish is only rivaled by Benioff & Weiss
What, are you guys serious?
That was a compliment, a flattery.
Olenna basically said Tyrion was just a normal person; a dwarf yes, but normal, not a monster.
@@PRubin-rh4sr she called him boring v:
Anyone else watching the good writing of seasons 1-4 after season 8? It makes me really sad to see how far it slipped.
Leader of Anti-Bennism you sound like you’re fun at parties
Daniel Cohen no need to be an ass about it
@@farimer1232 you beat "Leader" at his own complaining and he's salty about it, lol.
dino bot worshipping the good old days and trashing the new? This one will make for a great old person someday.
I just don't understand why everyone says it went to shit after 4. It absolutely did *not*
5-6 were definitely less grand than 3-4(and 1-2 were actually on the tame side... But you can't blame them for it. We need build up to set context), but they weren't badly executed or badly written, overall
Things didn't start really turning to shit until season 7
Of all the insults Tyrion had to endure he never thought being called 'Boring' would hurt the most.
“Where did you go for them? Volantis?” I use that line daily on these days! 😂
I wish modern meetings ran like this
Short, straight to the point, no dithering on nonsense and with figs to help move the bowels.
Gods, boy! That's enough, we're not in a tavern.
Gouki420 Well, he's used to filling Tyrion's cup, im not surprised he fills it to the brim.
@@gstringfloss7417 haha yes that's the point
Insane that this random two minute scene of two characters talking about paying for a wedding is better than anything in Season 8.
The ultimate game of thrones combatants:
Olenna
Tyrion
Varys
Littlefinger
Tywin
Roose Bolton
Round 1, FIGHT!
You nailed it.
Stannis Baratheon In order:
Littlefinger
Varys
Olenna/Tywin
Tyrion
Roose Bolton
Stannis Baratheon I'd add Prince Oberyn to this list. He was extremely intelligent and arrogant but not overbearing. He's what my grandmother would call "nice nasty" LOL!
jdsthird Prince Oberyn was intelligent, but he himself wouldn't have been a good Game of Thrones combatant if it wasn't for his brother, Doran Martell, doing all the planning. So I'd say that if you include both of them as a team, then I'd add them to the list.
Cercei? After all she is the one who said "When you play the game of thrones you win or you die." Plus she came scheme with the best of them.
Take notes movie writers, this is how you create a strong female character.
I think one thing people tend to overlook for this type of scene is that Tyrion should also be credited for listening to reason. That's one thing Tywin spoke of when talking about what wisdom is. He is listening to someone with a wealth of knowledge and experience and concedes that she is right, while still settling for a better position than before the exchange.
I just wrote the same
@Arruda a very intelligent old woman who even the time she was poisoned managed to make the lannisters look like fools. A rouse with thorns strong and sharp enough to strike a lion.
True. If she had said that to Joffrey he would have just hissed back "Fuck you old woman"
@@lindacartwright5100 Joffrey was very twisted and evil, also very stupid and foolish. He only lived as many years as he did by hiding behind his family's protection. They didn't see Lady Olenna as a threat (and never would have figured it out had she not told them as she was dying).
50'000 sheep?! I want a subplot about them
Most of them were transported to the Falken Islands and some landed into the hands of a few horny Scotsman.
Where did you go for them? Volantis?
Lady Olenna was already going to pay for half of the expenses. She's just disappointed that Tyrion didn't have any great comeback.
Lady Olenna was the only character that could put Tyrion on the spot and at a loss for a come-back.
God, it's depressing listening to good dialogue and plotting, knowing how the series ended......
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@@ankitkumarsingh3883 my brain literally died looking at this
lol.. tyrion is like, "give me that." he wants to keep his mind sharp and strong like olena tyrell.. hahahahhahahaah
Actually, it's because at the time he was having troubles with taking a proper shit (he even asked the maester to help him with that). And maybe she even knew about that and that's why she mentioned the figgs, as if to mock him/show him how much influence she has in the city to know that about him. It must have been intentional, I guess that "I eat this to shit well" is not a usual small-talk between two future royal family members.
"A royal wedding is much safer"
Yeh good one
RIP Lady Diane Rigg you were a phenomenal actress . 👏🏿👏🏿🥰
“The Royal Wedding. I understand you had a hand in planning it?”
Oh you don’t even know
And thats the day the Tyrells owned Tyrion.
Wow, I got to the top comments, that never happened before! Woo! :)
Olenna was wrong on one thing... weddings are not that much safer...
yeah, i was referring to both the red and the purple wedding...
Well they're normally merry affairs... Normally...
mXDa_ForceXm define normal in game of thrones????
Jang Especially those in Westeros, yep.
Jang Too soon bro. Too soon
I love sassy old grannies, and Olenna is just #GOALS
"I climbed all those steps to discuss... Financial matters?"
Olenna Tyrell, The Queen of Thorns.
Actually think about it....Lord Varys and Tyrion are ranked as some of the best players of the game in Westeros.
Olenna completely saw through Varys and left Tyrion practically speechless.
Its clear that she is definitely a good player and a sharper wit that Tyrion. Its seems that only Tywin can out gun her.
Littlefinger took advantage of her for his scheme to get rid of both Joffrey and Tyrion and free Sansa in the Purple Wedding plot though. So Littlefinger > Olenna/Tywin > Varys > Tyrion? But really I don't think they have any particular order, I always just think of them this way: Baelish goes all in on the short/medium term schemes (Starting the War of the Five Kings, Betraying Ned, Purple wedding...), Varys plays the really long term game which is why he has to adjust to a lot of speedbumps, whereas Tywin, Tyrion and Olenna just play the game reactively - not really scheming all that much but attempting to make the best of the cards they get dealt.
Nuclearcx littlefinger is a beast he can do long term short term he can do fucking everything by killing one king he managed to gain favor with the tyrells, get rid of both jeofry (who was an unreliable piece in the game) and tyrion (who was one of the few who saw littlefinger for what he was) he also managed to get sansa the key to the north who he can now use to strengthen his claim to the vale, the riverlands, and the north. and he managed to kill the king without being in the same city not to mention that by getting rid of tyrion he stopped tyrion from getting rid of littlefingers people in kingslanding meaning right now littlefinger controls like 80 percent of kingslanding market he could throw kings landing into economic chaos if he wished it
And the High Sparrow
Book Varys is the best of them.
As far as "winning" the "game of thrones", imo Olenna has pretty much everyone beat - she didn't have a perfect run, by any means, but by age she outlived just about everyone in the show by decades. Living to that age is a win in and of itself.
Tyrion: lady olenna please help us pay for the royal wedding.
Olenna: why?
Tyrion: because we're at war.
Olenna: you don't say.
"The people are hungry for more than just food: they crave distractions, and if we don't provide them, they'll create their own. And their distractions are likely to end with us being torn to pieces."
Boy does this sound familiar...
I see politics hasn't changed much in these modern times lol
'Very good then, that's settled. Good day.'
Another line I hope to use in real life. Probably won't pull it off like Olenna though!
"Tyrion can out talk just about anyone"
Olenna: hold my figs, Podrick.
Ha! Just realized Podrick was over-pouring Olenna's wine because he's used to pouring it for Tyrion.
I love this scene, it's one of the few times Tyrion was completely out matched with words. It does shoe how much stronger the writing was when the series was based on the books.
I love her habit of giving the servants a task that will take them out of the room for a while so she can speak freely to the person she wants to.
this series is a reflection of modern society in many ways......for instance, keeping people distracted is a tactic that most powers in the world use, to keep the people from thinking and fighting for the right things
And then President Trump comes along to turn over that particular apple cart.
"They crave distractions. And if we don't provide them, they'll create their own. And their distractions are likely to end with us being torn to pieces."
Bread and circuses, something that's been true of any society since the Romans...
Not just the Romans. The Greeks, Carthaginians, Persians, and Egyptians all did similar things. The Greeks and Carthaginians built public facilities and activitly contributed to beautifying their cities personally to pay back the cultures that produced them so to speak. The Romans just copied this. The Persians and Egyptians built giant monuments for public use either religious or infrastructurual which again the Romans copied.
I like how lady olenna always stays on point. I also like that she takes Tyrion and what he has to say seriously.
A scene discussing the war time economy and payment of a wedding. Probably one of the best scenes in the series and better than most tv shows.
Tyrion got trolled lol
Tyrion: The wedding, it`s a huge expense
Olenna: Aaaand? *blink* *blink*
So, I grew up with Diana Rigg's Emma Peel on the Avengers, and I have to admit I was very happy that she was given such a meaty, pointed role before she passed on. You can tell that she had a Hell of a lot of fun with it. I'm not even that big a GoT fan, but just like every other high fantasy fan in the world, I loved it when she looked at Jaime and said, 'Tell Cercei it was me...'
hmmmm
Just realized.... listening to all of those stats of what House Tyrell is sending to Kings Landing. With Olena on the Targaryens side ALL of the resources are gone. So.... that's gonna fuck things up quick. Damn
I love the way he eats the food at the end. This is two minutes with straight loss so at least he can get some dignity through getting the food.
I didn't really follow the show but I love these scenes. Showing how a kingdom is actually run, the council meetings etc When you get to see how things are run and the logistics in any show, I find it interesting.
''I always take figs mid afternoon they help move the bowels''love how she delivers that line. Like every grandmother would have
HAHAHAHAHA! Tyrion has met his match!
He still got what he wanted.
"I was told you were drunk, impertinent, and thoroughly divulged. You can imagine my disappointing in finding nothing but a brow-beaten bookkeeper."
Pretty much how I feel about season 5+ Tyrion.
Ryan Choi - "... thoroughly debauched. You can imagine my disappointment ..."
Come here healing from season 8
perfectly sad
"The wedding must be lavish. I'll kill the groom, but it must be lavish"
Thou Shalt Not Kill
Gotta love Grandma Tyrell, gave Tywin a jab, but couldn't get the knockout.
I love how Olenna and Oberyn both told him what they were expecting when they met him and said that they were disappointed in what they saw and how regular he seems in comparison.
They both basically call him boring when his rumors make him out to be something much worse.
Actually in the books he is much worse physically lol
@@ricardo7308 yeah his face is all ruined with his nose missing
But I mean the show tyrion. Olenna mentioned the rumors and it wasn't calling him a little imo/ demon- she was actually bored that he reads alot and is disinterested. And Oberyn gave the whole speech of that's not a monster that's a baby.
His face during these exchanges... he's a great actor
I loved her. She was one of the best characters.
Lady Olenna is by far the sassiest character in GOT.
12,000 infantry men
1,800 mounted lances
2,000 in support provisions
1,000,000 bushels of wheat
500,000 bushels of barley
500,000 bushels of oats
500,000 bushels of rye
20,000 heads of cattle
50,000 sheep
Wow. And yet the Sparrows could lay a hand on Margrey and Loras. Tyrells really just don't like making people suffer.
Tyrion just realized he was sitting across the female version of his father 😅
With more sarcasm, though
When GoT still had great lines.
The casting of Olenna was brilliant. Other than her tremendous performance. Margaery Tyrell actress Natalie Dormer looks exactly like Diana Rigg in her prime. Perfect to play Grandmother and Granddaughter.
So 2:08 is all that was needed but the whole discussion lasted over 2 minutes
Very good then. That's settled. Good day. *Exits like a boss*
This has such a different context once you realize there was no way she was going to give up murdering Joffery. She was just doing what needed to be done for the good of the realm.
And mostly for the good of Margaery. Sooner or later Joeffrey would get bored of her and probably start mistreating her.
jagatech oh no...margaery had him under control. Beneath the sheets, I mean.
Lady Olenna was such a firecracker to the very end. I loved her character who was brilliantly portrayed by the late Diana Rigg. Rest in Peace, Darling!
Two of my favorite characters. I love how Olenna is the only one who can come close to beating Tyrion at the game of wits.
Tyrion really didnt expect her to be so smart and agree so quickly.
I love when Tyrion took a fig and what it indicatesXD
"I climbed all these steps to discuss financial matter?" She was pissed- she knew what he was getting at and was already willing to contribute more; but the Queen of Thorns could not resist tearing his ass apart in the process 😭🤣😂
*Notice Tyrion grabbing a fig right at the end? She upset him that much 😅
Also known as "Tyrion gets pwned" XD
What a woman Olenna Tyrell was. Literally the peak of the show. After she and Tywin died, everything went downhill.
Damn, that lady was a good actress!
Now that he's Daenery's hand and she's one of Daenerys' allies, maybe they'll meet again. Btw, I think one of the reasons why she decided to pay 50% of the costs is because he didn't argue with her logic. He knew she talked sense and she won the argument, he accepted that she was right ("I would") even if it meant that as a Master of Coin he was totally fuc*** up. She recognized it. She didn't even care paying half the costs (she knew the crown would be in deep sh** otherwise), but if Cersei asked her to do the same, playing the usual asshole-Cersei, Olenna would say 'no' just to spite her.
Or she didn't argue much to make sure the assassination would go as planned.
Balinux
it's not like they couldn't murder him if the cake was smaller or they didn't pay for dwarfs.. the costs had nothing to do with it imo.
lizbennetgenova
Plans may change at the last moment. The location could'vebeen different, the whine replaced, the seats, etc.
There may be another reason she proposed an even split of the cost. In many real-life cultures, "guest right" or "sacred hospitality" were VERY serious business. Just look at what happened with the Red Wedding. Even people opposed to the Starks considered what the Freys did to be repugnant. It's also mentioned in Bran's story about the Rat King. By splitting the cost 50-50 between the Tyrtells and the Lannisters, defining which one was the host and which was the guest becomes a bit murky, and could be considered a loophole in the rule.
liz you can't know that. Maybe there were some Tyrell guards who looked the other way when Olenna put the poison in the cup or when Sansa was escaping with Dontos who wouldn't have been there otherwise if she hadn't been planning the wedding. Olenna doesn't strike me as the type who would have volunteered for the job otherwise, she isn't a 'girly' woman like Sansa who loves weddings and knights and favours. She did it to plan the murder and she couldn't risk Tyrion interfering to save some money.