This scene proves that Melanie has a lot more depth and is a lot more aware of what's going on around her than people give her credit for. She plays that "scene" as well as Rhett.
I agree. My first impression of Melanie was this sweet. fragile, naive little Southern Belle who never strayed from the path of what.was expected of her as a charming, Southern lady (this was her at the barbecue). But i always got the distinct impression that she KNEW exactly what Rhett's plan in this moment and that's why she lied about where her husband was and she told the other ladies to let her handle it and she MADE Rhett say "where they had been". She knew if the guards heard that, they wouldn't question it. And then SHE is the ONLY lady who continues to support Scarlett even after Scarlett becomes a tyrant.....even AFTER she sees Scarlett with her husband.
CeltycSparrow A lot of so called modern women could learn a lot from her character and the depth that the charm covers up for her own protection. As a man I’ve played the dummy many times to get on the level of the idiots around me, to just not hurt their feelings if nothing else. It also lets their guards down when they too think I’m stupid too.
Not only this scene proves what you're saying. When Scarlet killed that yankee soldier, Melany could immediatelly mannege the situation and she was also able to make uo a good lie for Scarlet's father and sisters.
Olivia de Havilland died on Saturday, July 25th, 2020, at 104 years old. The last of Hollywood's "Old Guard". She witnessed so much during her lifetime.
@@lexkanyima2195 unfortunately yes. Especially since because of segregation laws at the time she wasn’t even allowed to sit with her costars at the Oscar’s. I’m just saying she did a phenomenal job and deserved the win. But she deserved a lot more respect as well.
Every character looked and behaved exactly the way they were described in the novel. Not only did the actors/actresses have great looks, they could ACT, too!
@@HC-cb4yp I think it highlights the human condition. What we want, we can't have. What we have, we take for granted, until it is taken away from us, and regrets we all experience. If anybody says they have NEVER had regrets about anything, they are lying. And quite frequently, if we do get something we have wished for years, it turns out not to be what we had imagined. Oh, and jealousy. That's a big human fault right there.
@@HC-cb4yp This movie was made when Hollywood was interested in making quality movies, from scriptwriting to casting to costumes, everything had to be just right. In 1938, a movie called "Jezebel" was released. Bette Davis plays a spoiled, headstrong southern girl who is dumped by her fiance, played by Henry Fonda. It's a good movie, and the ending is sad (has to do with yellow fever).
Gentleman Rhett lynched a black man who disrespect a white woman in the Book. By lynched, I mean murdered but it doesn’t say how though hanging was the usual method.
I also thought it was funny how Ward Bond who played the Yankee captain was hesitant to say "Belle's" when he asked Rhett to swear that that's where they were at. 😂
This scenes goes to show....there was fragility underneath the cloak of strength for Scarlett, and strength under the cloak of fragility for Melanie. Scarlett was more fragile than she showed, and Melanie, stronger.
I think both were strong in different ways but Melanie more sure of things than scarlet who lived her life as a battle a need to fight for something to live for be it real or not as she told Ashley before he left tell me you love me ill live on it the rest of my life and realizing things weren't as she thought but disillusioned herself about a love that never was there to begin with whilst Melanie all along knew absolutely Ashley was faithful to her
These films are incredibly well preserved and well produced. I'm at a loss for words at how they've stood the test of time. We should all be thankful to the people who are responsible for their preservation.
@@DaisyLee1963 but don't we only see Ashley through Scarlett, like we don't follow Ashley to the war or anything, we only really experience his character through scarlets eyes and feelings, so I wouldn't put him as mc but the movie is long so I might have missed smthn
Yes it is a real wonderful book but David Copperfield by Charles Dickens was published for the first time at 1850. The American war of Independence started 75 years 1775 before the book was written and stopped at 1783, about 30 years Dickens was born
@@Echnaton1954 but Gone with the Wind is set in the Civil War, which took place between 1861 and 1865......This film has nothing to do with the War of Independence
Hell yeah, pretty sure all my friends have seen me drunker!! But I love how the bad guy ( rhett) comes swooping in to help, not sure if it's his affection for Scarlett, or admiration for Melanie. Either way, I've got a gorgeous rooster crowing around the yard, his name is rhett cockler !! He's really something!!
My heart is broken. Our Melanie passed away last week at 104. There will never be another quite like her. No she wasn't Scarlett. But no she was no Scarlett either. For she was our Melanie. Our pure sweet innocent Melanie. She was definitely one of a kind...
@@HC-cb4yp Actually she was in some stuff. One of my favorite movies has her in it. She played an extremely rich woman in Airport 77 i believe was the name. A movie about a plane crashing in ocean. Good movie. She played in other stuff too. Nothing in last few decades though.
And in so doing Belle put herself at more than a little risk with the Reconstruction era regime. She's got big ovaries, that one! Props. And she does it for a friend with whom she's in love.
As a Black, I go on the record here saying that you may not care for this film's content, but as sheer story-telling ability goes, there are few finer examples of the art. Watch it again, having stuffed your prejudices & pre-conceived notions under the sofa's pillows. Open up, really listen to & see the story as it unfold B 4 you. Your minds will B changed. AND... over the yrs. many people--Blacks, in particular--have given the character of Mammy "hell" for multiple reasons. Look closer & you'll see that Mammy was the ONLY person in this movie that had any steady, everyday, common SENSE. As the rest of the characters stumbled about within their own insanity, Mammy was the glue--THE FOCUS-- that held both the book & film and all their lives together. AND THAT'S A FACT, JACK. Enjoy it.
Well, I guess I've just been censored. Interesting. Being Black myself & very proud of my kinship with Miss Hattie McDaniel, the above is the last thing in the world I'd expect.
This is amazing. I was just making this same point to a friend the other day about the character of Mammy. She was steady as a rock during the whole thing. And what;s up with your lines thru the post. RUclips did that?
hambone - There are 25 white characters in this story and not a single one of them represent all 'white people'. No one character can. Most of these characters are not like me, that doesn't mean they are not good, realistic characters. White people are diverse. So are black people, but not if you have your way. You are imprisoned by an ideological desire to pigeon-hole all black into your own comfortable stereotype. You are literally doing what you are complaining about. And you are imprisoned by an ideological desire to pigeon-hole all motives of white people. I don't have any hate in my heart for you. I only feel sorry for you because you are in a prison of your own making.
fullplate100 Mammy is the best and my favorite character in this movie. She embodies the voice of reason while not becoming too cynical as a result of which.
Because the Hays Office made Selznick promise that Gone with the Wind would not be an anti-black film. In fact, the attacker in this scene was black in the book but Selznick changed him to a white attacker. It's an interesting back story.
Gone with the Wind was a film about happy slaves and good White people who kept them in their places. It came out of the Jim Crow era in the South, when they spun pretty myths about discrimination.
I suppose they’ll be saying that GWTW was sexist, too, because that’s how women were treated at the time. Yet notice how the film depicts the intelligence and resourcefulness of women in this scene. And the editing of this clearly puts Mammy, a black woman, on the same level of intelligence and empathy as the white women. That this film is now under attack is absurd. It depicts both its time and the time in which it was made with humanity.
yeah but even at its time, the portrayal of African-Americans was considered questionable at best. That the film is great despite this does not mean that it should not be re-evaluated in the modern day.
@@BinaryRex18 we can’t transpose modern knowledge/ethics/values/etc on past events or time. Should we tear down Rome because most of it was built by enslaved people? The good news is that no one is forcing anyone else to watch this film (or any other film for that matter). If it offends someone, it’s quite easy to avoid. If we erase this film, which is an artistic masterpiece, countless others should be called into question based on depiction of all minorities, women, abuse, drug use, you name it.
@@JudgeJulieLit It was also highly speculated that she had bipolar disorder. Allso she received electric shock treatment because of her mental illness. back then solutions to mental illness was frightening and disturbing to say the least. As someone with bipolar myself I'm grateful I live in the times of modern medicine
@@BunkerWise215 She seems to have had in real life extreme emotional lability, what psychology today calls "borderline" personality disorder (as too it denominates a "histrionic" personality disorder, which begs the question, are all dramatic personalities, e.g., all actors a "disorder"? I think not; even real life at times requires dramatics, to emphasize key life values; one sees this in nature, among animals). Bipolar a/k/a "manic depression" may also be likely for Miss Leigh. Did she really receive electric shock treatments? That seems unlikely, as that usually renders patients (as JFK's sister Rosemary) semi-vegetative; yet to the end of her life Vivien Leigh starred with apparent full mental and emotional acuity in a Broadway play and in the film Ship of Fools.
Incorrect title! They never mentioned the KKK in this movie. I'm not sure about the book, but not in the movie. They laid a raid on the shanties in which there were both black and white people. It was more about Confederates vs Unionists than White vs Black. Scarlett was attacked in the shanty by white men, and saved by a black man she knew from before.
There is evidence that some lynching parties had good reason. What are these Southern fathers, mothers, husbands, etc supposed to do? Let their women get violated simply because they lost the war?? Ever hear of Leo Frank? He wasn't black but he still had it coming.
@@LukeLovesRose lol. Are you seriously justifying lynchings? Most lynchings were unjustified. That is why they are lynchings because no evidence was ever offered and no fair trial was ever conducted. What an idiotic comment. Also, no one was "violated". What are you even talking about? The only people who were "violated" were the millions of black people the South chose to enslave for years. I bet you're a Trump supporter.
@@LukeLovesRose "communist". Is that the go-to word for Trump supporters any time something disagrees with their racist and pro-fascist worldview? Even the Civil Rights and the anti-Vietnam War movements were labelled "communist agitation" and its leaders were derided as being "communists". Any time someone wants to speak in favor of equality and criticize racism, you'll always have at least one inbred scream "communist!". 😂
It would have been funny if the Union officer searched the house and found some white hoods in Ashley's bedroom. How would Rhett have talked his way out of that one?
The book mentioned that they were specifically members of the First Klan which operated from 1865-1871. There was a pro-klan movie, The Birth of a Nation (1915), and the explicit Klan mentions were dropped by the director, because he didn’t want to remake that movie, because of the rise of fascism. EDIT: Also, the robes and hoods weren’t used by the First Klan. They come from that movie.
Too bad we didn't get to see Scarlett fussed over Ashley while Rhett gazed at her intently, knowing that her husband was killed and she wasn't even asking about his well being.
Of course they don't explicitly mention the KKK, but I think that everyone who has ever watched this scene knows that that is the group they are referring to!
@@cherylhulting1301 And military strict adherence to hierarchy, and focus on the task at hand. Yet yes, that surprises, they being Yankee liberators of Southern slaves.
Giant brass balls, Rhett. You could save Ashley, but poor Mr Kennedy was shot down and his wife didn’t think a whit about him. Scarlet was self centered through and through.
@@M0rmagil Usually women are condemned for this impropriety and not men. That's what I was alluding to. However, I think amour propre, respect for oneself, even a certain pride one takes in oneself (which Scarlett exhibits), is fine. What she at times is rather is selfish and haughty, but she matures.
@@charlietheanteater3918 Fascinating. As a young singer from (Mark Twain's) Hannibal, Missouri, Edwards' nickname in saloons, then vaudeville was "Ukelele Ike." Over GWTW film's long length, I don't recall seeing him, yet likely he was in a scene where he played a ukelele. In 1940 he would debut as Jiminy Cricket in Pinocchio.
Well, in GWTW Cliff Edwards did not play a ukelele, but (per Wikipedia) "he voiced the off-screen wounded Confederate soldier ... in a hospital scene with Vivien Leigh and Olivia de Havilland."
@@RoycoCru IT AINT ABOUT KKK OR RACIST YOU MISS THE PIONT OF THE MOVIE , WAR IS BAD AND PEOPLE WHITE ANS BLACK FOUGHT.AND DIED.THATS THE POINT.IT EAS ALSO A GREAT AND TRAGIC LOVE STORY. GOD BLESS WE ARE ALL HIS CHILDREN.PEACE
Ironic that Mammy is helping to protect the family when the men are kkk members acting on kkk business. In the book, it was an ex-con named Archie who guarded the family here.
They were just pretending to be drunk and coming from a brothel. They had really been on a KKK raid of Shantytown where Scarlett had been attacked that day.
There's NO KKK in the Movie. And this was changed for the Movie very early on by design. The Raid was done by the men to avenge Scarlett getting attacked in the woods. That's how it is in the MOVIE.
And who rescued Scarlett in the woods? A free black man who used to work on her farm. Each individual person has a character and a conscience. There are good and bad people of all races.
Oh, thanks a lot. You give us a badly formatted version of this scene, and then you cut it off before it gets to the end. If you were going to post this, why not post the whole scene?
@@MatiasMaldona3 posting snarky comments doesn't make it better either. You know what would be better? Posting a better alternative for people to use. It's easy to criticise the efforts of others but it's hard to actually make an effort yourself.
@@MatiasMaldona3 Then do a better job. It's really easy to sit back and criticize someone who took the time to do something. Video isn't bad. There are just some complainers amongst us ;-)
The character Belle Walting is a weird one, she's depicted as a confederate supporter and secretly gave the confederate hospital money. Yet, the conservative confederates always treated her with disgust. I wonder what was going through Belle's mind.
Read it. You'll be glad you did. You'll be able to discuss it in an informed way. BTW, neither the book nor the movie is about oppressing Black people.
Yep. But Rhett isn't doing it for Ashley, whom he doesn't like. Nor does he have much affection for the KKK, which is made more clear in the novel. He's doing it for Melanie, whom he does respect. And perhaps too under guise of protecting Scarlett. Rhett's motivations and moral code are...complicated, to say the least.
Love, love love this movie and all the wonderful actors. Any thoughts as to who could play Hattie in a biopic? I've heard mention of Queen Latifah and Octavia Spencer as possibilities.
Mo'nique said she wanted to do a biopic of Hattie. The flower that Mo'nique wore in her hair at the 2010 Oscar ceremony, for which she won an Oscar for "Precious", was the actual flower that Hattie wore in her hair at the Oscars, 70 years earlier. It was given to Mo'nique by Hattie's niece.
Where's your husband ? Melanie: he and his friends went out with pillow cases on their heads to torcher black people why? I'm married to my first cousin our parents were brother and sister do you think any thing we do makes since?
To be a woman in those times, when it was socially acceptable for a husband to go to a brothel and have relations with another woman. And a wife and mother just meant to sit around waiting for him to come back home. That must have hurt a woman that truly loved her husband.
Yeah. That’s why I don’t understand why Rhett was so jealous about Scarlett’s feelings for Ashley. He was seeing Belle on the regular. Double standard.
Although I love the book and the film, the movie is a romantic fairy tale and doesn’t even attempt to portray the actual horrors of slavery. Sure , maybe a few slaves may of been treated well, but still they had no control or autonomy over their own lives. They were completely at the mercy of their masters, whether they be merciful or merciless. Bottom line, slavery was evil and the Confederacy supported and depended on the subjugation of human beings. Wrong is wrong no matter how genteel and pretty you try to present it
Because India blamed the situation on Scarlett. Scarlett kept going through that bad part of town thought she was warned many times not to. Then because she got attacked the men who were in the KKK raided the area. Several men got killed including her husband. Scarlett didn't know about the raid or the men being in the KKK. India was rightly angered at scarlett for putting the men in danger. Plus early on scarlett "stole" her 1st husband Charles Hamilton from India. So India always resented her
Everyone but Scarlett knows they're just pretending to be drunk to go with the alibi (created by Rhett) of being at Belle's "sporting house" that night. They really had been out on a raid of Shantytown where Scarlett had been attacked that afternoon.
Great scene, but there´s a big mistake which I guess already happened in the start --- Melanie starts to read >David Copperfield< by Charles Dickens which was published 1850 for the first time. The American war of Independence started 75 years 1775 before the book was written and stopped at 1783, about 30 years Dickens was born
For these who argue about right and wrong, this movie is history, it’s done, like many other wrong or right things which already happened (past tense). History is written already, duh. We want to change past or, worst, we want to hide past instead learning from it. Better work on our future. Appreciate the acting, costumes, decor etc. It’s 2021 and human beings still not learning sh*t from history
I’ll bite.. if by any political meaning you would be referring to a southerner Democrats.. if you know you’re history you would know that all southerns hated republicans and the thought of having black slaves as free people among them. This is how southerns planned and strategized how they would fight the reconstruction period. They knew the union army was gonna lick them and that the slaves were gonna be freed and the stubborn 11 southern state’s knew joining the union was inevitable and it was all the white republicans fault.. this is where southern democratic white supremacy visions flourished and took shape and was planned how the south would be after the fall of the confederacy and how they could use racial segregation and the preservation of white political and cultural domination in the South. Aka Jim Crow laws.. southern democrats started it all..
No, he wasn't: in the presence of the ladies, he did not contest the ruse. But instantly he ordered his soldiers to stand watch, then he continued to investigate.
After the Captain leaves them and they discover Ashley is seriously wounded... Rhett (to Melanie): 'Mrs. Wilkes I am sorry I couldn't come up with a more dignified excuse for your husband's whereabouts.'...Melanie: 'Captain Butler - this isn't the first time you have come between me and disaster. It isn't likely I'd question your methods now....(pause)..Please help me get my husband on the bed.'
This scene proves that Melanie has a lot more depth and is a lot more aware of what's going on around her than people give her credit for. She plays that "scene" as well as Rhett.
Melanie was one of the unsung heroes of GWTW.
I agree. My first impression of Melanie was this sweet. fragile, naive little Southern Belle who never strayed from the path of what.was expected of her as a charming, Southern lady (this was her at the barbecue). But i always got the distinct impression that she KNEW exactly what Rhett's plan in this moment and that's why she lied about where her husband was and she told the other ladies to let her handle it and she MADE Rhett say "where they had been". She knew if the guards heard that, they wouldn't question it. And then SHE is the ONLY lady who continues to support Scarlett even after Scarlett becomes a tyrant.....even AFTER she sees Scarlett with her husband.
CeltycSparrow A lot of so called modern women could learn a lot from her character and the depth that the charm covers up for her own protection. As a man I’ve played the dummy many times to get on the level of the idiots around me, to just not hurt their feelings if nothing else. It also lets their guards down when they too think I’m stupid too.
Not only this scene proves what you're saying. When Scarlet killed that yankee soldier, Melany could immediatelly mannege the situation and she was also able to make uo a good lie for Scarlet's father and sisters.
@@DorianYarg Olivia's acting was spot-on in these scenes, making up for her rather sweetie-pie performance earlier in the film.
Olivia de Havilland died on Saturday, July 25th, 2020, at 104 years old. The last of Hollywood's "Old Guard". She witnessed so much during her lifetime.
"I ain't so very drunk, Melly." a total classic before Ashley passed out from his gunshot wound.
I love how Mammy is unafraid to scold the captain for being disrespectful to Melanie. What a treasure is Hattie McDaniel.
Mammy is brilliant
Fun fact she became the first black woman to win the Oscar for best supporting actress and well deserved
She’s a good actress but shame that there are still house neeegroooows like that around today
@@michaelnally2841 but she was mistreated
@@lexkanyima2195 unfortunately yes. Especially since because of segregation laws at the time she wasn’t even allowed to sit with her costars at the Oscar’s. I’m just saying she did a phenomenal job and deserved the win. But she deserved a lot more respect as well.
The acting in this movie was so ahead of it's time...I know casting took forever but it damn sure paid off.
Every character looked and behaved exactly the way they were described in the novel. Not only did the actors/actresses have great looks, they could ACT, too!
There really is something amazingly modern about this movie and I can't quite put my finger on what qualities make it so.
@@HC-cb4yp I think it highlights the human condition. What we want, we can't have. What we have, we take for granted, until it is taken away from us, and regrets we all experience. If anybody says they have NEVER had regrets about anything, they are lying. And quite frequently, if we do get something we have wished for years, it turns out not to be what we had imagined.
Oh, and jealousy. That's a big human fault right there.
@@lindaoneil5085 Hmm... so timeless themes... And realistic characters.
@@HC-cb4yp This movie was made when Hollywood was interested in making quality movies, from scriptwriting to casting to costumes, everything had to be just right.
In 1938, a movie called "Jezebel" was released. Bette Davis plays a spoiled, headstrong southern girl who is dumped by her fiance, played by Henry Fonda. It's a good movie, and the ending is sad (has to do with yellow fever).
"As a gentleman? Sure!" Rhett wasn't a gentleman (and never pretended otherwise) so he could lie
In fact, despite joking about beeing a gentleman , he was really a gentleman. And only Melanie knew who really Rhett Butler was .
@@antoinemozart243 He was a gentleman to those he respected. He wasn't a hypocrite
Gentleman Rhett lynched a black man who disrespect a white woman in the Book. By lynched, I mean murdered but it doesn’t say how though hanging was the usual method.
That's my favorite line in the entire movie. I laugh my head off every time. Gotta love Clark Gable here. 🤣🤣
I also thought it was funny how Ward Bond who played the Yankee captain was hesitant to say "Belle's" when he asked Rhett to swear that that's where they were at. 😂
This scenes goes to show....there was fragility underneath the cloak of strength for Scarlett, and strength under the cloak of fragility for Melanie. Scarlett was more fragile than she showed, and Melanie, stronger.
Very well said👌🏾
Melanie Had a quiet strength, maybe even more strong than Scarlett
True
I think both were strong in different ways but Melanie more sure of things than scarlet who lived her life as a battle a need to fight for something to live for be it real or not as she told Ashley before he left tell me you love me ill live on it the rest of my life and realizing things weren't as she thought but disillusioned herself about a love that never was there to begin with whilst Melanie all along knew absolutely Ashley was faithful to her
“Don’t you doubt Miss Melly’s word!”
Mammy is extremely courageous. Hattie McDaniel was so awesome!
Yes, the true hero of the story
@@juliefox8685 , agreed.
She did win an Oscar.
Like a loyal dog.
She's the substitute for the audience. She says what we think and we identify most closely with her.
These films are incredibly well preserved and well produced. I'm at a loss for words at how they've stood the test of time. We should all be thankful to the people who are responsible for their preservation.
LMAO
Thank God
Absolutely. This movie a treasure of history.
This scene is the only one in which all four main characters are in the same room together.
I'm not sure who the 4th main character is. Either Ashley Wilkes, or the Hattie McDaniel character.
Wouldn't it be all 5?
@@mel2000 I guess the four mains are: Rhett, Ashley, Melanie, and Scarlett.
@@macc.1132 Very possibly - Rhett, Scarlett, Ashley, Melanie and Mammy.
@@DaisyLee1963 but don't we only see Ashley through Scarlett, like we don't follow Ashley to the war or anything, we only really experience his character through scarlets eyes and feelings, so I wouldn't put him as mc but the movie is long so I might have missed smthn
Chapter one: I’m born. Thrilling book.
Maybe you should read it before you judge.
Yes it is a real wonderful book but David Copperfield by Charles Dickens was published for the first time at 1850. The American war of Independence started 75 years 1775 before the book was written and stopped at 1783, about 30 years Dickens was born
Lol!
@@Echnaton1954 goodness it was a joke lady
@@Echnaton1954 but Gone with the Wind is set in the Civil War, which took place between 1861 and 1865......This film has nothing to do with the War of Independence
Rhett: " I've seen him drunker , ive seen you drunker , you've seen me drunker "
😂
Captain: And you could lie in the gutter for all I care, look I am not a police man!
killing-u
Hell yeah, pretty sure all my friends have seen me drunker!! But I love how the bad guy ( rhett) comes swooping in to help, not sure if it's his affection for Scarlett, or admiration for Melanie. Either way, I've got a gorgeous rooster crowing around the yard, his name is rhett cockler !! He's really something!!
“I ain’t so very drunk, Melly...” A classic line!
My heart is broken. Our Melanie passed away last week at 104. There will never be another quite like her. No she wasn't Scarlett. But no she was no Scarlett either. For she was our Melanie. Our pure sweet innocent Melanie. She was definitely one of a kind...
Don’t be sad. She lived a long life.
I dont believe you!!
I was amazed that she wasn't interviewed or even used in any capacity by Hollywood in the last 50 years.
@@HC-cb4yp Actually she was in some stuff. One of my favorite movies has her in it. She played an extremely rich woman in Airport 77 i believe was the name. A movie about a plane crashing in ocean. Good movie. She played in other stuff too. Nothing in last few decades though.
She lived to be 104. That's incredible not sad.
. . . And when Scarlett gets robbed, who rescues her? Sam. Who she has known her whole life. "Horse, make tracks!"
The most amazing thing about this is that the Melanie character Olivia de Havilland is still alive. She just turned 101.
A lovely lady too.
Still alive at 103.
Will turn 104 on July 1st!
She also appeared in the civil war miniseries north and south in 1986
She played an old nurse and she was awesome in it
104
@Isaias Ramos Garcia In summer 2020!
KEEP ON WITH YOUR SEWING LADIES
This scene shows the true Melanie. Underneath her angelic face exterior lies a loyal, strong, intuitive, and intelligent woman.
They all owed their lives to Belle because she would have had to back up the story.
Melanie tells Belle Watling that very thing.
And in so doing Belle put herself at more than a little risk with the Reconstruction era regime. She's got big ovaries, that one! Props. And she does it for a friend with whom she's in love.
Olivia de Havilland was absolutely gorgeous in this movie! She is still alive today!
this comment didn't age well, RIP
@@owl2944 Thats sad. Great performance though. 104 years old too
As a Black, I go on the record here saying that you may not care for this film's content, but as sheer story-telling ability goes, there are few finer examples of the art. Watch it again, having stuffed your prejudices & pre-conceived notions under the sofa's pillows. Open up, really listen to & see the story as it unfold B 4 you. Your minds will B changed. AND... over the yrs. many people--Blacks, in particular--have given the character of Mammy "hell" for multiple reasons. Look closer & you'll see that Mammy was the ONLY person in this movie that had any steady, everyday, common SENSE. As the rest of the characters stumbled about within their own insanity, Mammy was the glue--THE FOCUS-- that held both the book & film and all their lives together. AND THAT'S A FACT, JACK. Enjoy it.
Well, I guess I've just been censored. Interesting. Being Black myself & very proud of my kinship with Miss Hattie McDaniel, the above is the last thing in the world I'd expect.
This is amazing. I was just making this same point to a friend the other day about the character of Mammy. She was steady as a rock during the whole thing.
And what;s up with your lines thru the post. RUclips did that?
hambone - There are 25 white characters in this story and not a single one of them represent all 'white people'. No one character can. Most of these characters are not like me, that doesn't mean they are not good, realistic characters. White people are diverse. So are black people, but not if you have your way. You are imprisoned by an ideological desire to pigeon-hole all black into your own comfortable stereotype. You are literally doing what you are complaining about. And you are imprisoned by an ideological desire to pigeon-hole all motives of white people.
I don't have any hate in my heart for you. I only feel sorry for you because you are in a prison of your own making.
Well said.
fullplate100 Mammy is the best and my favorite character in this movie. She embodies the voice of reason while not becoming too cynical as a result of which.
The whole movie avoided the mention of the phrase "Klu Klux klan" at all. That's a difference from the book
Because the Hays Office made Selznick promise that Gone with the Wind would not be an anti-black film. In fact, the attacker in this scene was black in the book but Selznick changed him to a white attacker. It's an interesting back story.
The Klan was not even in existence before the 1870s, so there would obviously have been no mention of it. Lol!
@@krazyk7089 originally in the first Klan, it was spelled with a C
@@johnswaim3919 1865. In Tennessee. December 24th, 1865. However the Civil War was April 61- to April 65
@@deidrewood5729 They even showed that a black man saved scarlett
it shows how strong a character Melanie is.
Rest In Peace Olivia de Havilland
Gone with the Wind was a film about happy slaves and good White people who kept them in their places. It came out of the Jim Crow era in the South, when they spun pretty myths about discrimination.
Army Captain Tom was played by a younger Ward Bond, best known as Major Seth Adams, the original leader on Wagon Train.
I suppose they’ll be saying that GWTW was sexist, too, because that’s how women were treated at the time. Yet notice how the film depicts the intelligence and resourcefulness of women in this scene. And the editing of this clearly puts Mammy, a black woman, on the same level of intelligence and empathy as the white women. That this film is now under attack is absurd. It depicts both its time and the time in which it was made with humanity.
Your argument is succinct and your points are excellent.
yeah but even at its time, the portrayal of African-Americans was considered questionable at best. That the film is great despite this does not mean that it should not be re-evaluated in the modern day.
Absolutely.
@@BinaryRex18 we can’t transpose modern knowledge/ethics/values/etc on past events or time. Should we tear down Rome because most of it was built by enslaved people? The good news is that no one is forcing anyone else to watch this film (or any other film for that matter). If it offends someone, it’s quite easy to avoid. If we erase this film, which is an artistic masterpiece, countless others should be called into question based on depiction of all minorities, women, abuse, drug use, you name it.
It is written by a woman so I doubt it will be considered sexist
One of the best scenes in the movie.
Melanie will be 104 this year in July!
Vivien Leigh would have been 107 she was 26 in this film
@@BunkerWise215 But tragically she died at 54, half that age.
@@JudgeJulieLit It was also highly speculated that she had bipolar disorder. Allso she received electric shock treatment because of her mental illness. back then solutions to mental illness was frightening and disturbing to say the least. As someone with bipolar myself I'm grateful I live in the times of modern medicine
@@BunkerWise215 She seems to have had in real life extreme emotional lability, what psychology today calls "borderline" personality disorder (as too it denominates a "histrionic" personality disorder, which begs the question, are all dramatic personalities, e.g., all actors a "disorder"? I think not; even real life at times requires dramatics, to emphasize key life values; one sees this in nature, among animals). Bipolar a/k/a "manic depression" may also be likely for Miss Leigh. Did she really receive electric shock treatments? That seems unlikely, as that usually renders patients (as JFK's sister Rosemary) semi-vegetative; yet to the end of her life Vivien Leigh starred with apparent full mental and emotional acuity in a Broadway play and in the film Ship of Fools.
Really? I hope she is doing well.
Ashley is so strong for feigning one of the most relaxed states people can be in whilst being shot through the shoulder
Mammy puts him in his place!
You cut the part where we see that they were faking after the other guy leaves and the blonde guy is wounded.
Melanie foi parceira de Rhett sempre, ela o conhecia de verdade, sabia o coraçao valoroso que ele possuia, por isto foi encenando junto com Rhett
This is such an incredible scene.
REST IN PEACE, MELANIE♡
This scene was post civil war so mammy could have left if she wanted to. But she didn’t want to. Scarlett was like a child to her.
She said she diapered 3 generations of O'Hara kids.
Incorrect title! They never mentioned the KKK in this movie. I'm not sure about the book, but not in the movie. They laid a raid on the shanties in which there were both black and white people. It was more about Confederates vs Unionists than White vs Black. Scarlett was attacked in the shanty by white men, and saved by a black man she knew from before.
There is evidence that some lynching parties had good reason. What are these Southern fathers, mothers, husbands, etc supposed to do? Let their women get violated simply because they lost the war?? Ever hear of Leo Frank? He wasn't black but he still had it coming.
@@LukeLovesRose lol. Are you seriously justifying lynchings? Most lynchings were unjustified. That is why they are lynchings because no evidence was ever offered and no fair trial was ever conducted. What an idiotic comment. Also, no one was "violated". What are you even talking about? The only people who were "violated" were the millions of black people the South chose to enslave for years. I bet you're a Trump supporter.
@@sirleo5103 Adcording to you and Communist-approved history
@@LukeLovesRose "communist". Is that the go-to word for Trump supporters any time something disagrees with their racist and pro-fascist worldview? Even the Civil Rights and the anti-Vietnam War movements were labelled "communist agitation" and its leaders were derided as being "communists". Any time someone wants to speak in favor of equality and criticize racism, you'll always have at least one inbred scream "communist!". 😂
@@sirleo5103 The word racism came out of the Communist mind fuck headquarters known as the Frankfurt school
To begin my life...with the beginning of my life...
I was born..
@@damonopera4760 Title of Chapter One, "I Am Born."
It would have been funny if the Union officer searched the house and found some white hoods in Ashley's bedroom. How would Rhett have talked his way out of that one?
The book mentioned that they were specifically members of the First Klan which operated from 1865-1871. There was a pro-klan movie, The Birth of a Nation (1915), and the explicit Klan mentions were dropped by the director, because he didn’t want to remake that movie, because of the rise of fascism.
EDIT: Also, the robes and hoods weren’t used by the First Klan. They come from that movie.
Melanie was indeed a cool liar.
Too bad we didn't get to see Scarlett fussed over Ashley while Rhett gazed at her intently, knowing that her husband was killed and she wasn't even asking about his well being.
Dont you doubt Miss Mellys word!
Gotta love Mammy
“Why you laughing at” that got me laughing for some reason 😂
Good old Ward Bond.
Of course they don't explicitly mention the KKK, but I think that everyone who has ever watched this scene knows that that is the group they are referring to!
This film must be protected and preserved at all costs from the lefty bolsheviks.
Spot on this film should be protected great film and the new
Generation should see our gorgeous
Vivien Leigh playing Scarlett.
I like how the soldiers just walk past the maid when they first come in. And then they totally ignore her when she speaks
Tells us a great deal about the dehumanization of African Americans, doesn't it?
@@cherylhulting1301 And military strict adherence to hierarchy, and focus on the task at hand. Yet yes, that surprises, they being Yankee liberators of Southern slaves.
Giant brass balls, Rhett. You could save Ashley, but poor Mr Kennedy was shot down and his wife didn’t think a whit about him.
Scarlet was self centered through and through.
@P Cochran Like a Lot of men in fact are.
@@countfosco1 and nobody thinks this is good or proper, so what’s your point?
@@M0rmagil Usually women are condemned for this impropriety and not men. That's what I was alluding to. However, I think amour propre, respect for oneself, even a certain pride one takes in oneself (which Scarlett exhibits), is fine. What she at times is rather is selfish and haughty, but she matures.
I have no words.....FANTASTIC scene
My favorite scene in the whole movie
Gone with the Wind is Birth of Nation with better cinematography and plot development.
Melly was much more savvy than she let on.
I always thought she was well aware of the Ashley/Scarlett thing.
A great scene. Then again, what scene in this movie isn't?
I love how even if Ashley was injured, or whether her husband appeared to cheat on her, Meade's wife was excited that he was in Belle Watling's place.
And even the doctor was shocked by his wife curiosity :D
Mrs. Meade, remember yourself!
I took me a while that figure out the Union Captain was Ward Bond
Future star of early 1950s tv Western drama Wagon Train.
JudgeJulieLit I also recently found out that Cliff Edwards (Jimmney Cricket) was in this movie too.
A close friend of Gable's, I might add.
@@charlietheanteater3918 Fascinating. As a young singer from (Mark Twain's) Hannibal, Missouri, Edwards' nickname in saloons, then vaudeville was "Ukelele Ike." Over GWTW film's long length, I don't recall seeing him, yet likely he was in a scene where he played a ukelele. In 1940 he would debut as Jiminy Cricket in Pinocchio.
Well, in GWTW Cliff Edwards did not play a ukelele, but (per Wikipedia) "he voiced the off-screen wounded Confederate soldier ... in a hospital scene with Vivien Leigh and Olivia de Havilland."
"We played cards, drunk champagne...."
Got to Wining, Dining amd 69ing!
This is a great 🎥 movie.
@@RoycoCru you think what you want MICH,,,IT WAS A GREAT MOVIE. EVERYTHING IS NOT RACIST. QUIT HATEN HATER YOUR RACIST.
@@RoycoCru IT AINT ABOUT KKK OR RACIST YOU MISS THE PIONT OF THE MOVIE , WAR IS BAD AND PEOPLE WHITE ANS BLACK FOUGHT.AND DIED.THATS THE POINT.IT EAS ALSO A GREAT AND TRAGIC LOVE STORY. GOD BLESS WE ARE ALL HIS CHILDREN.PEACE
Ironic that Mammy is helping to protect the family when the men are kkk members acting on kkk business. In the book, it was an ex-con named Archie who guarded the family here.
I’m very lost on what mention of the klan?
To some in today’s world, vigilantes = kkk. But that’s a huge....and in my opinion....wrongheaded view.
Kennedy and his cohorts WERE the Klan. Not just being compared to them. They only removed the name from the movie. It was in the book.
They were just pretending to be drunk and coming from a brothel. They had really been on a KKK raid of Shantytown where Scarlett had been attacked that day.
The political meeting refers to ku klux klan meeting.
There's NO KKK in the Movie. And this was changed for the Movie very early on by design. The Raid was done by the men to avenge Scarlett getting attacked in the woods. That's how it is in the MOVIE.
Yes. It had nothing whatsoever to with the racial upheaval at that time.
@@casualobserver3145 you missed the point.
@Fritz Box1590 Ku Klux Klan.
And who rescued Scarlett in the woods? A free black man who used to work on her farm. Each individual person has a character and a conscience. There are good and bad people of all races.
Oh, thanks a lot. You give us a badly formatted version of this scene, and then you cut it off before it gets to the end. If you were going to post this, why not post the whole scene?
You upload one that meets your standards then, instead of being a snarky twat
@@bananamanchester4156 "Well, do it yourself right then" doesnt change that this video is bad.
@@MatiasMaldona3 posting snarky comments doesn't make it better either. You know what would be better? Posting a better alternative for people to use. It's easy to criticise the efforts of others but it's hard to actually make an effort yourself.
@@MatiasMaldona3 Then do a better job. It's really easy to sit back and criticize someone who took the time to do something. Video isn't bad. There are just some complainers amongst us ;-)
Falto lo mas importante, stupid you missed the best part 😕
I love this movie
Don't forget it was a white attacker in the Shantytown who was after Scarlett and a nlack guy, Big Jim, saved her
Big Sam
actually, it's hardly likely that a Southerner would have voted for a Republican, and frankly, it's moot, as women couldn't vote anyway!
Every person is different.
Unless the Southerner were a freed black, or a Carpetbagger who stayed to live in the South.
Goldwater changed the voting pattern of the South.
But Allan is right - it is moot for women, because they couldn't vote. Bleh...
Yes... remember..black men got to vote before any women..All of us...
From Hugo. The southernerners made a pun about this book and called it Lee's miserables "
The actress that plays Melanie is going to be 104 in a few days
July 1st !
And has just today passed away
Мамочка всегда так командовала, что неизвестно, кто слуга, а кто хозяева. 😊
The character Belle Walting is a weird one, she's depicted as a confederate supporter and secretly gave the confederate hospital money. Yet, the conservative confederates always treated her with disgust. I wonder what was going through Belle's mind.
Snooty Yankee women didnt treat brothel madames kindly either
I grew up in the 60s and man things were different back then.
Just got a copy of “Gone with the wind” not sure if i should read the book or burn it,it feels like the rumpus over “The satanic verses”.
Read it. You'll be glad you did. You'll be able to discuss it in an informed way. BTW, neither the book nor the movie is about oppressing Black people.
So, the "drunk" guy is a (proto) Klansman and Rhett is concocting a story to give him an alibi?
@Citizen X It just makes one realize how loathsome many of the characters are.
Yep. But Rhett isn't doing it for Ashley, whom he doesn't like. Nor does he have much affection for the KKK, which is made more clear in the novel. He's doing it for Melanie, whom he does respect. And perhaps too under guise of protecting Scarlett. Rhett's motivations and moral code are...complicated, to say the least.
The Klan didn't exist then, but Southern manhood and honor did. Harming a woman in those days was something NOT tolerated.
@@thomasbunner5214 Doesn't Rhett hurt Scarlett later in the movie?
@@thomasbunner5214 "Southern honour" didn't prevent the systematic rape, torture and enslavement of women. Presumably you meant white women.
4:01 I love their reactions! Haha!
" So, you got my husband, intoxicated again?!"
Olivia De Havilland recently passed away June 2020. 🇺🇸
What year after the Civil War (within the timeline of course) does this scene take place?
Why was Melly's necklace censored?
Love, love love this movie and all the wonderful actors. Any thoughts as to who could play Hattie in a biopic? I've heard mention of Queen Latifah and Octavia Spencer as possibilities.
Mo'nique said she wanted to do a biopic of Hattie. The flower that Mo'nique wore in her hair at the 2010 Oscar ceremony, for which she won an Oscar for "Precious", was the actual flower that Hattie wore in her hair at the Oscars, 70 years earlier. It was given to Mo'nique by Hattie's niece.
When I was young I was very pretty before a pan syndrome and an ex husband ruined me
Shout out to all my strong black women...
This is one of the finest films ever made.
Where's your husband ?
Melanie: he and his friends went out with pillow cases on their heads to torcher black people
why?
I'm married to my first cousin our parents were brother and sister do you think any thing we do makes since?
Eu morro de rir nesta cena🥳
A cara de pau e a vivencia de Rhett salvou a tds🤟😚
Te amo sempre Rhett💋💖💕
E também a sagacidade de Melanie! Amo esta personagem.
Please use English.
@@flavioadler5185You too; please speak English.
Loved me some Rhett Butler
Those men are either home guard or Confederate soldiers
best cinimentography ever.
To be a woman in those times, when it was socially acceptable for a husband to go to a brothel and have relations with another woman. And a wife and mother just meant to sit around waiting for him to come back home. That must have hurt a woman that truly loved her husband.
Yeah. That’s why I don’t understand why Rhett was so jealous about Scarlett’s feelings for Ashley. He was seeing Belle on the regular. Double standard.
It was 100% not acceptable.
Although I love the book and the film, the movie is a romantic fairy tale and doesn’t even attempt to portray the actual horrors of slavery. Sure , maybe a few slaves may of been treated well, but still they had no control or autonomy over their own lives. They were completely at the mercy of their masters, whether they be merciful or merciless. Bottom line, slavery was evil and the Confederacy supported and depended on the subjugation of human beings. Wrong is wrong no matter how genteel and pretty you try to present it
No political meeting….
why was Scarlett mad saying "they are drunk?". why did Melanie's sister say that she's stupid?
Because India blamed the situation on Scarlett. Scarlett kept going through that bad part of town thought she was warned many times not to. Then because she got attacked the men who were in the KKK raided the area. Several men got killed including her husband. Scarlett didn't know about the raid or the men being in the KKK. India was rightly angered at scarlett for putting the men in danger. Plus early on scarlett "stole" her 1st husband Charles Hamilton from India. So India always resented her
Everyone but Scarlett knows they're just pretending to be drunk to go with the alibi (created by Rhett) of being at Belle's "sporting house" that night. They really had been out on a raid of Shantytown where Scarlett had been attacked that afternoon.
Great scene, but there´s a big mistake which I guess already happened in the start --- Melanie starts to read >David Copperfield< by Charles Dickens which was published 1850 for the first time. The American war of Independence started 75 years 1775 before the book was written and stopped at 1783, about 30 years Dickens was born
This scene is set in around 1865 so the ladies reading David Copperfield which was published years before would have made perfect sense
What?? Does anything in this scene (fashion, uniforms, furniture...) even remotely give off the Revolutionary War vibe??
For these who argue about right and wrong, this movie is history, it’s done, like many other wrong or right things which already happened (past tense). History is written already, duh. We want to change past or, worst, we want to hide past instead learning from it. Better work on our future.
Appreciate the acting, costumes, decor etc.
It’s 2021 and human beings still not learning sh*t from history
Gone with the KKK
That was the union army not the ku Klux klan they were going to arrest Ashley wilks.
Ashley Smith Everyone Gates the damn Yankees. Ashley yes it is why do you think they were trying to arrest them Ashley.
*I DON'T SEE ANY WHITE HOODS!*
In the book, Rhett stuffed them in a fireplace I think.
In reality,Melly reads " The miserables
I’ll bite.. if by any political meaning you would be referring to a southerner Democrats.. if you know you’re history you would know that all southerns hated republicans and the thought of having black slaves as free people among them. This is how southerns planned and strategized how they would fight the reconstruction period. They knew the union army was gonna lick them and that the slaves were gonna be freed and the stubborn 11 southern state’s knew joining the union was inevitable and it was all the white republicans fault.. this is where southern democratic white supremacy visions flourished and took shape and was planned how the south would be after the fall of the confederacy and how they could use racial segregation and the preservation of white political and cultural domination in the South. Aka Jim Crow laws.. southern democrats started it all..
Very interesting, I did not read the book.
Melanie was the only one who had the sense to see what was going on
That union soldier was written as a naive buffoon. A bad mark on an otherwise serious and polished movie.
No, he wasn't: in the presence of the ladies, he did not contest the ruse. But instantly he ordered his soldiers to stand watch, then he continued to investigate.
this isn't the KKK
That is the union army get you're information right next time.
It’s referring to what the men were doing and why they was wanting to arrest them, watch the damn movie. Frankly my dear.
While isn’t stating in the movie, it’s stating in the book, that the “political meeting” was a KKK rally
It’s reference Ashley and “the political meeting” and the “raid that killed several (black) men)”
After the Captain leaves them and they discover Ashley is seriously wounded... Rhett (to Melanie): 'Mrs. Wilkes I am sorry I couldn't come up with a more dignified excuse for your husband's whereabouts.'...Melanie: 'Captain Butler - this isn't the first time you have come between me and disaster. It isn't likely I'd question your methods now....(pause)..Please help me get my husband on the bed.'