History of the Etruscan Language, part 2, Theory of Anatolian Origin

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  • Опубликовано: 3 апр 2023
  • History of the Etruscan Language, part 2, Theory of Anatolian Origin, Proto-Tyrrhenian, Etruscan, Lemnian
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    Golden Cage - Jimena Contreras

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  • @MrDylan2125
    @MrDylan2125 Год назад +66

    Thank you for circling the island with the Lemnian language. I definitely wouldn't have been able to find it otherwise haha.

  • @hoangkimviet8545
    @hoangkimviet8545 Год назад +64

    One of the important things about this language is it made a significant step in using alphabetic script. Etruscans got influence from Greeks and in turn, they influenced Romans.

    • @mikloscsuvar6097
      @mikloscsuvar6097 Год назад

      Which step?

    • @hoangkimviet8545
      @hoangkimviet8545 Год назад +1

      @@mikloscsuvar6097 Well, you know, proto-Sinaitic created the foundation of the alphabetic writing. Then the Phoenicians developed it and brought their invention to the surroundings of the Mediterranean Sea. Greeks learned this and developed their own. After that, Etruscans learned Greeks and in turn, Romans learned Etruscan.

    • @mikloscsuvar6097
      @mikloscsuvar6097 Год назад +2

      @@hoangkimviet8545 No. The Greeks used alphabet, the Etruscans did too. Whst was the big step done by this language?

    • @baltai3123
      @baltai3123 Год назад

      İnfluence is wrong word actually

    • @lekevire
      @lekevire 11 месяцев назад

      @@mikloscsuvar6097 The Phoenicians used an abjad, but when it was brought over to the Greeks, it evolved to an alphabet to better suit their language.

  • @forestgiest1380
    @forestgiest1380 Год назад +32

    YES! More Paleo-European language’s please.

  • @CostasMelas
    @CostasMelas  Год назад +18

    There are some examples of languages that spread after sea migration and survived for a long time, such as Phoenician in Carhage or Greek in Massalia and Crimea.

  • @charlesdugay--leyoudec8712
    @charlesdugay--leyoudec8712 Год назад +20

    Really interesting, thank you for your great work!

  • @Clemeaux_
    @Clemeaux_ 11 месяцев назад +6

    Could you do one of all known "language isolates" across Europe?
    Like Basque, Etruscan, Nuragic (which might have been tyrsenian) ligurian, rhaetic, and so forth

  • @ratisbonawau
    @ratisbonawau Год назад +10

    Definitely one of the most interesting Theories on Thyrrenean. And of course another banger Video

  • @raulrossi9735
    @raulrossi9735 Год назад +12

    Please, vídeo of evolution of american indigenous languages

  • @LucidFL
    @LucidFL Год назад +8

    RIP Etruscans. You will be remembered

  • @SupremeLordEnki
    @SupremeLordEnki Год назад +11

    The thing with Etruscans coming from Antalia, and the hypotisis of them moving from one land to another, is the fact of the fall of the bronze age and the sea peoples, if they were infact from anatlia, and they were close neighbors with the Hititi Kingdom, they would have been the first group of people at this age of 1200bc to be the first to be destroyed by the Sea People...
    So in other words, The Etruscan people did not come from Anatolia, they are rather infact a lost group or lost cousin of the Iberians, Basques, Lusitanians, and Tartessian group, And they happen to share very similar R1b groups and subclades and being of Old European languages stock or in other words, Native European aka Paleo-European, Each group mentioned do not belong to the PIE groups...

    • @SupremeLordEnki
      @SupremeLordEnki Год назад +1

      The fact that Etruscans + Basques + Aquitanians share exactly the same Haplogroups and their subclades of R1b.. Only goes to prove that they were once from the same tribe, same clan, which likely spread out around 2000bc.

    • @aliklc1970
      @aliklc1970 Год назад

      Luwian

    • @merpking748
      @merpking748 11 месяцев назад

      I believe Lusitanian is thought to be some kind of Indo-European language, possibly Italic or Para-Celtic. Tartessian also seems fairly distinct, but lumping it in with Iberian and Basque is at least intuitive. Certainly interesting, and I agree it is very unlikely the Etruscans came from Anatolia.

    • @SupremeLordEnki
      @SupremeLordEnki 10 месяцев назад

      @@merpking748 Iberians and Basques/Vascones are one of the same tribe, same for Tartessus but Lusitanians werent, culturaly and linguistically, genetically could have some similarities as theyre part of the Bell Beaker or the Atlantic Megalithic Trade

  • @Didyouknowthatiexist
    @Didyouknowthatiexist Год назад +5

    Super cool. I love your vids.

  • @jamustabella9775
    @jamustabella9775 Год назад +2

    Thanks 👍🏻

  • @iroquoianmapper
    @iroquoianmapper Год назад +3

    Great work!

  • @valiarsharapov152
    @valiarsharapov152 Год назад +3

    finally!!
    will there be explanations of other theories about the language?

  • @elmartinux
    @elmartinux Год назад +6

    Personally, I find the theory of the migration of an entire people at once unlikely.
    Rather, it is possible that the Etruscan language is a descendant of languages introduced into Europe with the spread of agriculture in the Neolithic period.
    There are some fairly convincing studies linking the Etruscan language to the languages of the Hurro-Urartian family.

  • @x-lendrow806
    @x-lendrow806 Год назад +4

    omg they teleported.

  • @agentflamingo9283
    @agentflamingo9283 Год назад +10

    So the the Roman’s leaving Troy and coming to Italy is possible somewhat based in reality

    • @arta.xshaca
      @arta.xshaca Год назад +3

      Maybe, but not linguistically

    • @agentflamingo9283
      @agentflamingo9283 Год назад +10

      @@arta.xshaca I mean culture wise. The Roman’s adopted lots of Etruscan culture. And they could have heard the story from them. And change it some.

    • @blugaledoh2669
      @blugaledoh2669 Год назад +1

      Culturally perhaps

    • @TheBobVova
      @TheBobVova 11 месяцев назад

      @@agentflamingo9283 There is a theory the city of Rome had been founded by Etruscan people and got conquered by Latin people later.

    • @wilcowen
      @wilcowen 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@TheBobVova that's not a theory it's basically agreed that roman was an Etruscan city initially

  • @Dersimite
    @Dersimite Год назад +2

    Interesting!

  • @kerimakt8295
    @kerimakt8295 Год назад +6

    nice video 👍

  • @josieschultz4241
    @josieschultz4241 Год назад +2

    i need to know more about thyrrenean now, i can sense a new hyperfixation coming

  • @iaedan917
    @iaedan917 Год назад +3

    How about combining Part 1 and Part 2 with Rhaetic and all in Part 3?

  • @andrefarfan4372
    @andrefarfan4372 Год назад +1

    Nice video.

  • @xXxSkyViperxXx
    @xXxSkyViperxXx Год назад +1

    what was the sea route that they took?

  • @Markiwaza
    @Markiwaza Год назад +6

    Beautiful video, congratulations! As well as the first part.
    But according to the latest studies (2021, Max Planck Institut, University of Florence, Tübingen, etc.) the Etruscans are autochthonous..no genetic influence from abroad..

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory Год назад +1

    nice, i never heard of this theory

  • @user-ko1ii9cs3i
    @user-ko1ii9cs3i Год назад +12

    Спасибо за ваш труд🙂🇷🇺

    • @AshFoxUA
      @AshFoxUA Год назад +1

      Этруски - это русские

    • @user-ko1ii9cs3i
      @user-ko1ii9cs3i Год назад +7

      @@AshFoxUA нет🙂

    • @M-Rayan
      @M-Rayan Год назад +1

      @@AshFoxUA wtf

    • @valiarsharapov152
      @valiarsharapov152 Год назад

      ​@@AshFoxUA прув или слид

    • @AshFoxUA
      @AshFoxUA Год назад

      @@valiarsharapov152 Задорнова глянь

  • @Avenge_Computers
    @Avenge_Computers Год назад +3

    I am from Limnos, this is insanely fascinating to me, why Limnos though?

  • @Matthew_080
    @Matthew_080 Год назад +1

    Thank you for your video 😃

  • @kenanhasan9784
    @kenanhasan9784 Год назад +1

    👍👍👍

  • @Fummy007
    @Fummy007 Год назад +2

    Interesting possibility, but I doubt it happened like that.

  • @pas1994ok
    @pas1994ok Год назад +1

    I like more the other theory about the origin of this language

  • @xXShmendanXx
    @xXShmendanXx Год назад +3

    So the indo europeans and etruscans arrived in italy around the same time?

  • @bletrick3352
    @bletrick3352 Год назад +1

    So which of the 2 theories is most likely to be true?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Год назад +9

      Archaeologically, probably the first. The second theory is based mainly on legends and ancient historians. It is possible that both theories have some basis. Mixed population of native Italians and immigrants from Anatolia

  • @JY-pl2nc
    @JY-pl2nc Год назад +1

    0:15 That's look like Aeneas mythology.

  • @erti4531
    @erti4531 Год назад +3

    This might be true because etrucians lived in Aegean Sea and aslo there has been discovery of a mummy in Egypt with etrucian language and aslo in Aegean sea archeological evidence.

    • @RichardEdwards40
      @RichardEdwards40 Год назад

      etruscan egyptians?😂. nonsense.

    • @erti4531
      @erti4531 Год назад +1

      @@RichardEdwards40 I’m saying that etrucians are Egyptians but a mummy in Egypt was discovered with etrucian letters and scripts in it

  • @Hanni_Baraq
    @Hanni_Baraq Год назад +1

    Costas what is you personal opinioun about etruscan origin?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Год назад +2

      I consider the first theory more likely, but the 2nd may also have a basis. That is, there was some Aegean migration that helped the development of the later culture, but did not survive as a linguistic group

    • @Hanni_Baraq
      @Hanni_Baraq Год назад

      @@CostasMelas I think like that too :D

  • @Polavianus
    @Polavianus Год назад +2

    Wait where's part one?

  • @javier2408
    @javier2408 Год назад +3

    Where did rheatian go?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Год назад

      Etruscan-Rhaetian connection is part of the first theory

  • @RealMrStreets
    @RealMrStreets 4 месяца назад

    If the romans inherited a lot of their culture from the etruscans, and probably had some etruscan kings, and this is the origin of their language, well maybe the story of anaeas and the trojans founding rome isn't so unlikely after all

  • @fuad_huseynli_2005
    @fuad_huseynli_2005 Год назад +3

    Can you make Mongolic languages?

  • @rollout1984
    @rollout1984 Год назад +1

    I never heard of the Lemnian language

  • @nicolocrippa8514
    @nicolocrippa8514 Год назад +2

    No Rhaetic?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Год назад

      The Etruscan-Rhaetic connection is part of the first theory

    • @nicolocrippa8514
      @nicolocrippa8514 Год назад

      @@CostasMelas So the Anatolian theory just ignores it or considers it unrelated?

  • @user-hz3lr5bp3c
    @user-hz3lr5bp3c Год назад +1

    I love you

  • @joshygoldiem_j2799
    @joshygoldiem_j2799 10 месяцев назад +1

    Where is Rhaetic?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  10 месяцев назад +1

      It is part of the Italic-origin theory.

  • @leventerylmaz5901
    @leventerylmaz5901 Месяц назад +2

    One of the saddest videos

  • @Veriox22
    @Veriox22 Год назад

    So basically this theory states that etruscans were anatolians who migrated from their homeland to north italy, perhaps pushed by the colonizing greeks?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Год назад +1

      They were pushed from the Lydians according to this theory

  • @turkmenist40
    @turkmenist40 Год назад +9

    Europe is the civilization of humanity. Nice video bro.

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Год назад

      Thank you

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx Год назад

      funny comment from someone with profile pic and name of something made by non-europeans

    • @turkmenist40
      @turkmenist40 Год назад +1

      @@xXxSkyViperxXx No, my father is Turkish, my mother is European, please do not make empty comments.

    • @turkmenist40
      @turkmenist40 Год назад +1

      @@xXxSkyViperxXx i'm really more european than you :)

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx Год назад

      @@turkmenist40 funny guy, he thinks squid game is himself

  • @christopherhardy8808
    @christopherhardy8808 Год назад +7

    This theory, if I remember correctly, is based on the DNA analyses of Etruscans found in tombs. They showed to be related to Turks more than anything.

    • @adnan_honest_jihadist5775
      @adnan_honest_jihadist5775 Год назад +3

      turkic origin of etruscans perhaps?

    • @papazataklaattiranimam
      @papazataklaattiranimam Год назад +2

      Not really

    • @christopherhardy8808
      @christopherhardy8808 Год назад +12

      @@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 Not Turkic, since the Turks didn't live in Anatolia at that time. The Turks mixed with the indigenous peoples of Anatolia, so that's why they show up in DNA analysis. Rather, it lends a bit of credence to Herodotus' story of how the Lydian king, during famine, sent settlers off to colonize in order to relieve the burden of famine.

    • @adnan_honest_jihadist5775
      @adnan_honest_jihadist5775 Год назад +1

      @@christopherhardy8808 what if etruscans came from where turks came from but there is no evidence for it bcs its lost to time?

    • @christopherhardy8808
      @christopherhardy8808 Год назад +2

      @Adnan_Honest_Jihadist The languages certainly don't match, so that might impede such a theory. But DNA analysis does show that the Etruscans came from the Steppes (I can't remember fully, so take this with a grain of salt). There's the possibility that the were an Proto-European people that absorbed a Pre- Indo European language. Ultimately, their origins are too unknown to allow for any matter solving solution.

  • @YamalGaseaRuiz
    @YamalGaseaRuiz 6 месяцев назад

    You forgot Rhaetic

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  6 месяцев назад +1

      It is part of the first theory. See earlier video (part 1)

  • @papazataklaattiranimam
    @papazataklaattiranimam Год назад +3

    Anatuscans

  • @jacquesgrabowski2393
    @jacquesgrabowski2393 Год назад +1

    поу́ная лухта 🌝

  • @hamzaalmdghri8741
    @hamzaalmdghri8741 Год назад +1

    Haplogoup G

  • @firstnamesecondname852
    @firstnamesecondname852 Год назад +1

    Genetics says otherwise.

  • @RichardEdwards40
    @RichardEdwards40 Год назад +3

    genetics has proven that etruscans are native to italy and did not come from Anatolia

    • @firstnamesecondname852
      @firstnamesecondname852 Год назад

      Not really native. The Etruscans stemmed most likely from Beaker people.

    • @jamustabella9775
      @jamustabella9775 Год назад

      l think it was founded by the anatolian people who did not want to be hellenized 🧐

    • @RichardEdwards40
      @RichardEdwards40 Год назад

      ​@@firstnamesecondname852 but the bell beaker were indo-europeans and the etruscans were not.

  • @destrovskyj
    @destrovskyj Год назад

    i doubt about this theory, since etruscans were Native of Tuscany

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Год назад

      Indeed, the first theory is more likely. The second exists because of the ancient writers

    • @destrovskyj
      @destrovskyj Год назад

      @@CostasMelas i think that it's more probably that there was an ancient family languages which were originary around illyria and lately it spread in greece and so lemnian formed, while the greek substrate maybe was a language correlated with etruscan. this is my personal theory, but i think that its not that dumb

  • @papazataklaattiranimam
    @papazataklaattiranimam Год назад +3

    Or Izmir theory :-)

  • @Nokhchiydu
    @Nokhchiydu Год назад

    этот язык родственник чеченского

  • @Mikhayl_S_V
    @Mikhayl_S_V Год назад +4

    Rome (Latin language): Hello

  • @attilakovacs1415
    @attilakovacs1415 Год назад +1

    hungarian runic.............en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hungarian_script