History of the Illyrian and the Thracian Languages
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- History of the Illyrian and the Thracian Languages, Illyrian, Daco-Thracian, Geto-Dacian, Thracian, Paeonian, Dardanian, Mysian, Bithynian, Messapic, Proto-Albanian, Gheg, Tosk, Arvanitic, Arberesh
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Great video, I don't think it's been done before. Underrated languages.
Thank you
Thucidedes and Spartacus is booth thracians
The greatest scientific authorities of the world have pronounced themselves on the INDIGENOUS and Illyrian origin of the Albanians.
I will quote among others:
- 🇩🇪 Gottfried Leibniz
- 🇸🇪 Johann Thunmann
- 🇩🇪 Ritter von Xilander
- 🇩🇪 Franz Bopp
- 🇩🇪 Jakob Fallmerayer
- 🇩🇪 J, von Hahn
- 🇩🇪 Paul Kretschner
- 🇦🇹 Norbert Jokl
- 🇦🇹Maximilian Lambertz
- 🇬🇧 William Leak
- 🇬🇧 Stewart Mann
- 🇬🇧 Dane Holger Pedersen
- 🇮🇹 Angelo Masci
- 🇦🇹 G. Mayer, H. Olberg
- 🇦🇹 R. Solta
- 🇨🇵 A. Ducellier
- 🇭🇷 Milan Šufflay
- 🇭🇷 Radoslav. Katicic
Etc ...
From the beginning of the Paleolithic the territory of Illyria (formerly, from the two banks of the Danube to Epirus) was occupied by men as proven by numerous discoveries of which the Karprina caves dating from approximately 160.000 years (currently in Croatia), the Gjatan cave (in Albania near Shkodër), etc. .
Eugene Pittard (🇫🇷) affirmed in 1916: "I have already said elsewhere that Albania seems to me to contain the most important archaeological and anthropological documents for what concerns the origins of the MOST ANCIENT POPULATIONS OF THE BALKAN PENINSULA; populations that, at the dawn of history, we see appear under the name of Illyrians!
Sources : (The peoples of the Balkans, antropological sketches, Neuchâtel / Paris)
"What we can say with reasonable certainty is that there is no evidence that the Albanians immigrated to their land from anywhere else. It is therefore safe to assume that they are indigenous to the region, unlike their Slavic neighbors who invaded the Balkans from the north in the sixth and seventh centuries.
Source: Elsie, Robert.(🇨🇦) "Albanian Literature: A Short History". Dr. Elsie has written over sixty books on Albanian studies.
"After World War II, but especially since the serious riots in Kosovo in 1981, Serbian archaeologists have been at pains to disprove the theory of Illyrian ethnic origins of the Albanians."
Source: Vickers, Miranda.(🇬🇧) "Between Serb and Albanian: A History of Kosovo."
The father of the Serbian nation Dobrica Cosic considers the ability to lie and lying to be the
moral virtue of the Serbian people and the foundation of Serbian
foundation of Serbian pride.
Here is a direct quote from Dobrica Cosic: "Lying is the
greatest virtue of the Serbian people".
Dobrica Cosic continues and says: "We lie to deceive ourselves...
To console others, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our misery...
Lying is a trait of our
patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence.
We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively".
Source: Deobe book.
who thought that the Illyrian n Thracian languages were gonna just fade away until you saw the Albanian language
I knew that Albanian is gonna show up because it is theorized to have been descended from Illyrian, Thracian or Dacian and the length of the video
@@JcDizon thracian dacian and illyrian language is the same
@@euronbuci3664 it isnt
@@9_9876 yes, they're just some dialects
@@GloryToTheUnitedStates6037 true lmao, Illyrian and Thracian are not even part of the saame group
Still blows my mind that the ancestors of Romania and Albania were once in contact
Because they wasn't
Like a lote of language, french, spanish, Italian, romanian, have a look on romanse language
Dude... Once upon a time, all Indo europeans were in contact let alone the balkaners
The dacians are the ancestors of romanians only in their heads.
@@karolygyorkos8448 no genetically Dacians indeed are ancestors of Romanians but modern Romanians speak a different language because of the roman empire
Simply great. I like how this video is chronotopicaly correct yet it give space to both, thracian, illyrian and creole paleobalkanic theories on Albanian ethnogenesis
Thank you
@@CostasMelas I also enjoyed how Paeonian simply pops into existence in the contact zone between Thracian and Illyrian. This reflects very well how researchers still can't agree on whether the Paeonians were of Thracian or Illyrian origin or something completely different
The greatest scientific authorities of the world have pronounced themselves on the INDIGENOUS and Illyrian origin of the Albanians.
I will quote among others:
- 🇩🇪 Gottfried Leibniz
- 🇸🇪 Johann Thunmann
- 🇩🇪 Ritter von Xilander
- 🇩🇪 Franz Bopp
- 🇩🇪 Jakob Fallmerayer
- 🇩🇪 J, von Hahn
- 🇩🇪 Paul Kretschner
- 🇦🇹 Norbert Jokl
- 🇦🇹Maximilian Lambertz
- 🇬🇧 William Leak
- 🇬🇧 Stewart Mann
- 🇬🇧 Dane Holger Pedersen
- 🇮🇹 Angelo Masci
- 🇦🇹 G. Mayer, H. Olberg
- 🇦🇹 R. Solta
- 🇨🇵 A. Ducellier
- 🇭🇷 Milan Šufflay
- 🇭🇷 Radoslav. Katicic
Etc ...
From the beginning of the Paleolithic the territory of Illyria (formerly, from the two banks of the Danube to Epirus) was occupied by men as proven by numerous discoveries of which the Karprina caves dating from approximately 160.000 years (currently in Croatia), the Gjatan cave (in Albania near Shkodër), etc. .
Eugene Pittard (🇫🇷) affirmed in 1916: "I have already said elsewhere that Albania seems to me to contain the most important archaeological and anthropological documents for what concerns the origins of the MOST ANCIENT POPULATIONS OF THE BALKAN PENINSULA; populations that, at the dawn of history, we see appear under the name of Illyrians!
Sources : (The peoples of the Balkans, antropological sketches, Neuchâtel / Paris)
"What we can say with reasonable certainty is that there is no evidence that the Albanians immigrated to their land from anywhere else. It is therefore safe to assume that they are indigenous to the region, unlike their Slavic neighbors who invaded the Balkans from the north in the sixth and seventh centuries.
Source: Elsie, Robert.(🇨🇦) "Albanian Literature: A Short History". Dr. Elsie has written over sixty books on Albanian studies.
"After World War II, but especially since the serious riots in Kosovo in 1981, Serbian archaeologists have been at pains to disprove the theory of Illyrian ethnic origins of the Albanians."
Source: Vickers, Miranda.(🇬🇧) "Between Serb and Albanian: A History of Kosovo."
The father of the Serbian nation Dobrica Cosic considers the ability to lie and lying to be the
moral virtue of the Serbian people and the foundation of Serbian
foundation of Serbian pride.
Here is a direct quote from Dobrica Cosic: "Lying is the
greatest virtue of the Serbian people".
Dobrica Cosic continues and says: "We lie to deceive ourselves...
To console others, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our misery...
Lying is a trait of our
patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence.
We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively".
Source: Deobe book.
I love two things, one is that I am now firmly interested in learning more about Albania and it’s history, and second is that I just noticed how several times in these videos the dying off of a language seems to be in sequence with each passing generation, with a little less native speakers every 25-30 years. Very good job!
Yes, forexample paeonian language is mix of Illyrian and Thracians. Native languages had contact eachother, some of them created new languages etc. Albanian language is and mix of Albanian, Thrians and Dacians still, Albanian language is close to Illyrian. Albanians are closest to Illyrian in culture and traditions as well dont get me wrong.
in love with 2 things that 99% of the worls has no knoledge of? You need to get out more,
@@wrecked8746 Say What ???
@@gary15761 She commented on it 7 months ago. I can imagine where they come from. hence the stupid comments.
@@kodexbato6075 cum
Albanians are so lucky that their ancestors preserved such an ancient language. I wish we had at least some Thracian words preserved in modern Bulgarian. :')
Yes, we did.
All languages has ancient rows.
If the Bulgarians belonged to the Thracian peoples, you could have said, but since it is not like that, it is normal that there are no words from the Thracian languages.
@@greatfrederick7727 they assimilated thracians, so ofc they still have some words from Thracian, but yes Bulgarian is a Slavic language, not a Paleo-Balkanic one.
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I guess this is a happy ending compared to the Anatolian group
happy ending not really.
Since only Albanian survived.
Thracian and Illyrian languages were very vast because they were strong nations and people but when the romans came, they assimilated everyone.
@@gigasigma8373 Yeah but the Anatolian subgroup completely died but this one has one living descendant.
@@JcDizon yeah but its still a sad ending.
For now...
The greatest scientific authorities of the world have pronounced themselves on the INDIGENOUS and Illyrian origin of the Albanians.
I will quote among others:
- 🇩🇪 Gottfried Leibniz
- 🇸🇪 Johann Thunmann
- 🇩🇪 Ritter von Xilander
- 🇩🇪 Franz Bopp
- 🇩🇪 Jakob Fallmerayer
- 🇩🇪 J, von Hahn
- 🇩🇪 Paul Kretschner
- 🇦🇹 Norbert Jokl
- 🇦🇹Maximilian Lambertz
- 🇬🇧 William Leak
- 🇬🇧 Stewart Mann
- 🇬🇧 Dane Holger Pedersen
- 🇮🇹 Angelo Masci
- 🇦🇹 G. Mayer, H. Olberg
- 🇦🇹 R. Solta
- 🇨🇵 A. Ducellier
- 🇭🇷 Milan Šufflay
- 🇭🇷 Radoslav. Katicic
Etc ...
Interesting to see that once the proto-albanian cloud reached the sea it developed neologisms that didn't exist in their vocabulary, so they borrowed words from their own vernacule. Like "det" meaning "sea" from the PIE root "dheubos" ("deep") describing its characeristics.
Mostly latin because when the protoalbanian mountaineers went down they found the coastal illyrians that where heavily, if not entirely, romanized.
@@lekdukaxhini3392 we were neither heavily and definitly not entirely romanized lmao. Only partly. The grammar, structure, syntax, etc. in albanian languge was untouched by latin. We only adopted loan words from then, thats it. If we were entirely romanized, our languge would of been a part of latin languages like romanian is😂
@@dardanillyr3989 Our lexicon is heavily latinised, if the process had continued we would be fully latinised for sure.
@@kohterg3713 yes, our vocabulary is 40-60% of latin origin. But we werent heavily romanized, we were only partly romanized. Cause ‘heavily’ romanized would imply that albanian grammar was influensed by latin as well, but it was only vocabulary. No we wouldnt be latinzed for shure if the prosess kept on going. The prosess did actually Keep on going, but we managed to escape full assimilation through the mountainious area in Albania, same way as basques and the welsh people survive. They did try and fully assimilate us, but we barely escaped. Thats the difference between us and romanians, romanians were on lowland areas, whereas albanians today escaped from the mountains in Albania.
@@dardanillyr3989 berthama e gjuhes shqipe esht mbi 60% shqip tani ka fjal te huja qe ne i perdorim kot sesht faji i gjuhes
Great job! It's cool to think that so many Indo-European languages have already been distributed in Anatolia.
I think this region has become more homogeneous just in the last century.
Thank you
The Iranian group might be the last subgroup of Indo-European that remains in large numbers in Anatolia.
@@JcDizon Yes, the Kurds still remain. Turkey expelled all the others
Politics. People are people, identity is fleeting- language comes and goes. As a Romanian I wish we knew more about geto-dacian...
@@turtle8463 I believe anatolian people still live in Turkey-they have just assimilated. I hear the Balkan music from North Turkey and I want to cry.
Arberech still talk "medioeval" Albanian in small group in Italy (after 400 years).
the music that plays when Proto-Albanian shows up sounds like boss music and it really fits
Beaten down, but not defeated, the spirit of ancient Illyria summons the strength to fight again
Great video as always!
Thank you
@Vard X lmao good luck when the best you can do is move to Switzerland. We don’t even have to expel the Albanians from the Balkans if all of them are in Zürich
Serbs ´ love ´ so much Russia. But very few of them migrate in Russia. Most of Serbs migrate in Austria, Germany, USA ( the state that did bomb them in 1999) and Australia.. !
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Americans#:~:text=A%20total%20of%20187%2C738%20citizens,estimation)%20are%20additional%20ethnic%20Serbs.
Look how many Serbs in USA, in the state that did bomb Serbia.
So it’s very funny when Serbs talk about Albanians. But we Albanians are Pro-West and pro-Usa. It’s normal we Cooparate with them. But Serbs are Pro-Russia, so why you not migrate in Russia ?
Ah yeah not lot money there ?
Even Russians migrate to West..
I believe in a very very old culture that connected all Balkan and Anatolia. You see in the culture, music, clothes. I wish we were more united. //love from a Romanian
They were în Roman empire.
Also lydian and phrygian were also a sub groups of illyrian or thracian
@Vard X Dardanians are Proto Albanians from Paeonia(a.k.a Vardar) and Kosovo. They helped Troyans against Greek invasion.
@@skkhammuansangngaihte4989 no they werent.
@@stephmod7434 look at their hat
Love to my Albanian brothers from Romania 🇷🇴🇦🇱
We are the originals here 💪👍
We too, sadly we are m*slim
What do Albanians have to do with Vlachs?
@@МиланПотић-б9х daco-illyrian brotherhood. Both descendants of pelasgians
@@МиланПотић-б9х Latin words in Albanian.
@@ΆγιονΠυρτουΘεού how come
This is fascinating! I never knew Illyrian was spoken in Italy, or that Thracian was spoken in Ukraine and Anatolia. Very interesting! I wonder what caused the Albanian language to survive through the ages when every other Thracian and Illyrian language died. Also, were Thracian and Illyrian languages closely related?
Thank you. The Albanians avoided the intense Romanization of the other peoples of the Northern Balkans as much as the Hellenization of the southern Balkans due to the isolation of their region. Illyrians and Thracians belongs to the different groups but had exchanges due to long time vicinity
@@CostasMelas Thanks for the explanation! Very interesting.
Going by Dacian settlements, Daco-Thracian was spoken even in what we now call Poland. Extensive civilization, it's weird that there are none left.
@@CostasMelas the shqiptars have nothing to do with illyrians because illyrians dissapeared after 5th century...
@@magyar2896 your name say it all...
as a person with red-green colorblindness, the first colors were confusingly the same to me
I will try to avoid these colors in the next videos
The greatest scientific authorities of the world have pronounced themselves on the INDIGENOUS and Illyrian origin of the Albanians.
I will quote among others:
- 🇩🇪 Gottfried Leibniz
- 🇸🇪 Johann Thunmann
- 🇩🇪 Ritter von Xilander
- 🇩🇪 Franz Bopp
- 🇩🇪 Jakob Fallmerayer
- 🇩🇪 J, von Hahn
- 🇩🇪 Paul Kretschner
- 🇦🇹 Norbert Jokl
- 🇦🇹Maximilian Lambertz
- 🇬🇧 William Leak
- 🇬🇧 Stewart Mann
- 🇬🇧 Dane Holger Pedersen
- 🇮🇹 Angelo Masci
- 🇦🇹 G. Mayer, H. Olberg
- 🇦🇹 R. Solta
- 🇨🇵 A. Ducellier
- 🇭🇷 Milan Šufflay
- 🇭🇷 Radoslav. Katicic
Etc ...
From the beginning of the Paleolithic the territory of Illyria (formerly, from the two banks of the Danube to Epirus) was occupied by men as proven by numerous discoveries of which the Karprina caves dating from approximately 160.000 years (currently in Croatia), the Gjatan cave (in Albania near Shkodër), etc. .
Eugene Pittard (🇫🇷) affirmed in 1916: "I have already said elsewhere that Albania seems to me to contain the most important archaeological and anthropological documents for what concerns the origins of the MOST ANCIENT POPULATIONS OF THE BALKAN PENINSULA; populations that, at the dawn of history, we see appear under the name of Illyrians!
Sources : (The peoples of the Balkans, antropological sketches, Neuchâtel / Paris)
"What we can say with reasonable certainty is that there is no evidence that the Albanians immigrated to their land from anywhere else. It is therefore safe to assume that they are indigenous to the region, unlike their Slavic neighbors who invaded the Balkans from the north in the sixth and seventh centuries.
Source: Elsie, Robert.(🇨🇦) "Albanian Literature: A Short History". Dr. Elsie has written over sixty books on Albanian studies.
"After World War II, but especially since the serious riots in Kosovo in 1981, Serbian archaeologists have been at pains to disprove the theory of Illyrian ethnic origins of the Albanians."
Source: Vickers, Miranda.(🇬🇧) "Between Serb and Albanian: A History of Kosovo."
The father of the Serbian nation Dobrica Cosic considers the ability to lie and lying to be the
moral virtue of the Serbian people and the foundation of Serbian
foundation of Serbian pride.
Here is a direct quote from Dobrica Cosic: "Lying is the
greatest virtue of the Serbian people".
Dobrica Cosic continues and says: "We lie to deceive ourselves...
To console others, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our misery...
Lying is a trait of our
patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence.
We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively".
Source: Deobe book.
There is no evidence of any major migration into Albanian territory since the records of Illyrian occupation .
Source : Mallory, J.P.; Adams, D.Q., eds. (1997). Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture. Taylor & Francis. pp. 9, 11.
Because descent from Illyrians makes "geographical sense" and there is no linguistic or historical evidence proving a replacement, then the burden of proof lies on the side of those who would deny a connection of Albanian with Illyrian
Source : Katicic, Radoslav.
1976. The Ancient Languages of the Balkans. Berlin: Mouton. Page 188.
This gives me Scythian vibes
- Widespread language (Scythian / Illyrian)
- Suspicious decline that coincides with their conquest (Huns / Romans)
- One small language survives (Ossetian / Albanian)
- Conquered *_again_* (Russia / Ottomans)
Albanian benefited more than anything from ottoman conquest as without it they wouldn’t have became the majority in Kosovo
@@Teapoid Albania being a beneficiary of the Ottomans is a myth. The Ottoman Empire kept Albania very poor and underdeveloped, with very high taxation and other penalizations for non-muslims, forcing conversion, while not allowing the usage of the Albanian language for education, literature, or religious institutions, while Serbs, Bulgarians, and Greeks were allowed to do so.
@@Teapoid Bullshit.
@@deni6085 why were Albanians so heavily used in administration then?
@@003mohamudOnly those who cooperated. Any one, who did, was treated like that. Not just albanians. There were plenty of ottomans with greek, or southern slavic heritage
Very underrated extinct languages. Great video! Thanks a lot! :)
Actually, the Illyrian language is survived with the Albanians.
How is it extinct if it just evolved to Albanian
@@lorikibraimi8889 Yes but only albanian, the rest of the illyrian dialects or languages went extinct
Thank you for the wonderful video. I hope this inspires more in the Balkans to research the interconnected origins of so many other languages in the region. I also hope information like this helps more understand that the modem Albanian language didn’t just “show up” in the region sometime in the Middle Ages. It is an ancient language, a point of confluence between Illyrian, Thracian, Dacian, Paonian, and Dardanian. Modern Albanian also preserves elements of Homeric Greek as well. The very central point of the Albanian identity is based off the ancient notion of sky people or winged human hybrids. This was an identity claimed by many ancient cultures like that of the Hittites, Sumerians and Ancient Egyptians, however the Albanians are the only modern society to preserve such an identity. That is why Albanians call themselves “Shqiptar” - people of the Eagle.
Thank you for the additional information
Albanian was mixed with all local languages, and the Vlach language was used to create Albanian at the end of the 18th century.
@@МиланПотић-б9х serbian sources : trust me bro
@@gugashmazari7816 Albanian was created at 11 century, and it has Latin, Greek, Bessi, Carpi, Slavic and Turkish words.
@@МиланПотић-б9х The Albanian language is not a romance language and does not stem from Latin. The Vlach language is a language resembling the Vulgar Latin that was once spoken in the Balkans. While some theorize that Vlach speakers migrated south due to Slavic pressure in the north, and thus settled in the modern day regions of North Macedonia, Albania, and Greece. Other historians also believe it is possible that the Vlach speakers of the Southern Balkans are remnants of the Vulgar Latin speaking populations that preceded them. More research must be conducted to understand the origin of Vlach speakers, as the earliest account that have been found so far stem from the 11th century. It is known that the Balkans were a heavily Latinized region of the empire, with several dialects of Vulgar Latin having been created and subsequently going extinct with the arrival of the Slavic invasions from the North. Vlach remains the only Latin-derived language that still exists in the Southern Balkans. The Albanian language was not simply"created" either. The Albanian language has undergone a process of evolution that has stemmed over a 1000 years. Within that time, under Roman subjugation, Illyrian and other languages of the region were heavily influenced by Latin resulting in the Albanian taught in Albania, Kosovo, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Greece, Serbia, and Italy today. This can be compared to the Korean language. Korean has many influences from Chinese, however, that does not mean Korean is derived from Chinese. Albanian, while having Latin influences, does not correspond to Latin as several Albanian words are distinct and bear no roots in other known languages. The Vlach language is a language in its own right and did not influence Greek or Albania in any other way than the toponyms and surnames of Vlach regions that still presently exist. Vlachs have historically maintained a reputation of actually supporting the dominant language/sovereignty of the nation in which they've traditionally resided in. The first Aromanian book to be published, for example, was written in Greek and promoted Vlach speakers to learn Greek. Several other Vlachs of Albania, became major independence leaders and cultural icons in the modern state of Albania. When you say, "Albanian was mixed with all local languages and the Vlach language was used to create Albanian at the end of the 18th century.", I am left with the impression that you made this statement without any serious regard for fact. I understand that this is the internet, but I think we can all try to be a bit more credible when voicing an opinion on the issue of history and linguistics. This should not be political. And I feel that many of those who try to disregard the Albanian language as nothing other than a modern convention, know better and actually see several links to ancient sources that still are preserved in modern Albanian today. The indigenous nature of the Albanian language should not threaten you, God Bless!
Wow, Amazing. Not sure how you knew all of this info and details but you are correct in each one. recently some studies from Rrenjet Shqipetare project, they came up with same resulsts as yours following the halpogroups and they mentioned as well in North Albania and South of Kosovo the language survived and was spreading from there during that time. Thanks for making this content mate, Bravo 🙌
Thank you
Its amazing to see that the albanian language has survived for melenias and such extreme conditions albanians should be proud that they speak one of the oldest languages in the world,albanian is the only language that survived from the other more dominant ancient languages such as latin,celtic,thracian,egyptian,nabatean.
Hi, alvanian isn’t the only one. Welsh language also survived rome assimilation. Basque language is Even more impressive and is the oldest language by far in Europe and has somehow survived everything
@@dardanillyr3989 he said the more dominant ancient language groups.
welsh is a celtic language.
Albanian is specificlly Illyrian, and Illyria was heavily romanized but Albanian somehow still survived.
@@gigasigma8373 How is it relevant that welsh is Celtic? It still survived rome assimilation. Albanian is not Illyrian. It is a descended of Illyrian. And we don’t know if Albanian comes from Illyrian or Something Else. It all depends on the defenition on Illyrian
celtic, but especially Latin, live through their numerous descendants, the Romance languages have like 800 L1 speakers
We are proud 🇦🇱
By the way, this video is supported by most contemporary sources about proto-albanian, Noel Malcolm, Konstantin Jirecek, Milan Sufflay, Shaban Demiraj, Idriz Ajeti and more.
True
It's shameful that this even needs to be clarified
@@stojankovacic1524 It depends, but contemporary sources support an Illyro-thracian origin.
@@arrabona916 Not just contemporary sources, although they are the strongest. I can only assume the vast majority of people watching his aren't historians so our duty is just to accept whatever researchers and experts say. And yet among my own people, the Bosnian Serbs, I find countless individuals who believe the Illyrians were our ancestors. I still don't get it, why is it so attractive to be Illyrian to them? Are our real, Slavic ancestors not 'enough' for them?
Sorry for the vent, you're one of the few people in this cancerous comment section who actually accepts science over conspiracy theories and pseudo-science.
@@stojankovacic1524 We can all agree that many Balkan Slavs are professing to be descended from the Illyrians, and I understand your irritation with this. However, one thing we do know is that the Slavs did absorb the Romanized Illyrians and other paleo-balkanic tribes during the Middle Ages. However, just because they arrived to the Balkans as Slavs and fused with us does not automatically make them (X), and one cannot claim to be the direct continuation of that, if you understand what I'm saying. While the origins of the Albanian people are still a mystery, DNA testing has undoubtedly assisted us in proving our paleo-balkanic ancestry. As for the question of what tribe or group we descend from, I personally believe it was the remnants of some sort of complex group; perhaps Dardania is a good place to look, because linguistically it fits (there are more latin loanwords, which occurred north of the Jirecek line).
There were some pockets of albanian that survived up untill the 1700 in montenegro near kotor and in some deep tribal areas in pljevlja according to ragusan documents but after that there is no more mention of those suggesting they were assimilated.
Yes, Albanians have always been present in medieval montenegro.
I’m from Kotor and have Albanian DNA according to a test I did around 6% so I am vouch this has accuracy!
@@Teapoid me as Albanian I have 6 procent Montenegro
I wish that you become a Big name in RUclips in future because I feel you work hard and with passion 👍 Good Luck Buddy
Thank you very much
Very interesting .Albanian Language is a treasure.
Thank you costas for hearing me.
Now please make one video about Paleo-Balkanic languages containing Anatolian, Armenian, Phygrian, Daco-thracian, Hellenic, Illyrian. And then the grand one about all IE languages.
I'll try to make it with the order that you refer
@@CostasMelas thanks bro.
@@CostasMelas you're great bro
You didn’t mention Albanian when talking about paleobalcanic languages? Or did you write Illyrian for Albanian?
@@dardanillyr3989 yeah I count it as a part of Illyrian brunch.
UTTERLY CORRECT. Well done. This needs to be saved and shown in universities.
Greetings from Turkey. Very very good video.
Thank you
This vieo has made me think about the historical conflict between Serbia and Kosovo. Serbs say that kosovar people have invaded the ancestral serbian territory, but it could be said that equally, kosovar people are just coming back to places that had inhabited since prehistory.
that does not mean that albanians can kick out serbs from kosovo, because this is the case.
@@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173 So where do Albanians come from genius? Planet mars?
@loder Man yes
@@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173 "As of now, most evidence hints that Albanians (in terms of language) have no relation to Illyrian or Thracian"
Literally it is the opposite, most evidence points to Albanian being descended from Illyrian
I don't know why Albanians have twisted in their brains that they are Illyrians when there is not a single piece of evidence. The only people who were called "Illyrians" in historical documents are Serbs and Croats, especially in Austro-Hungary. Here is a map of Austria-Hungary from 1846. They call the Serbian language Illyro-Serbian www.atlassen.info/atlassen/perthes/berpa01/picslarge/berpa1848k0810.jpg
I appriciate your work.
Thank you
I really like your amazing videos, thank you for all :)
You're welcome :)
Ευχαριστώ Κόστα!
Με πολύ σεβασμό!
Wait, so Albanians *_originated_* in Kosovo?
The general consensus among historians/scholars who support the Illyrian origin of the Albanians is that they originated either in modern-day Southern Serbia, Eastern Kosovo or Northern North Macedonia.
Yes thats why its so important to us
yes, Kosovo, Montenegro and northern Albania
@@euronbuci3664 and south Albanian and South Greece, including was illyrien/modern Albanian language,
@@burimobertinca581 probably
According to linguists and linguistic rules, the split between the two Albanian dialects, Gheg and Tosk did occurred after the Christianisation of Albanians and before the arrival of Slavs. This means the split did happened somewhere by 400ad.
The Church Latin vocabulary shows the shift between Tosk and Gheg whilst the Slavic loans on Albanian retains their same form in both Gheg and Tosk.
I’m pretty sure it was actually around 1100 AD, don’t think it happened that early
@@ilon1407 You dont think? Who the fk are you?
Another great work!
Thank you
The greatest scientific authorities of the world have pronounced themselves on the INDIGENOUS and Illyrian origin of the Albanians.
I will quote among others:
- 🇩🇪 Gottfried Leibniz
- 🇸🇪 Johann Thunmann
- 🇩🇪 Ritter von Xilander
- 🇩🇪 Franz Bopp
- 🇩🇪 Jakob Fallmerayer
- 🇩🇪 J, von Hahn
- 🇩🇪 Paul Kretschner
- 🇦🇹 Norbert Jokl
- 🇦🇹Maximilian Lambertz
- 🇬🇧 William Leak
- 🇬🇧 Stewart Mann
- 🇬🇧 Dane Holger Pedersen
- 🇮🇹 Angelo Masci
- 🇦🇹 G. Mayer, H. Olberg
- 🇦🇹 R. Solta
- 🇨🇵 A. Ducellier
- 🇭🇷 Milan Šufflay
- 🇭🇷 Radoslav. Katicic
Etc ...
From the beginning of the Paleolithic the territory of Illyria (formerly, from the two banks of the Danube to Epirus) was occupied by men as proven by numerous discoveries of which the Karprina caves dating from approximately 160.000 years (currently in Croatia), the Gjatan cave (in Albania near Shkodër), etc. .
Eugene Pittard (🇫🇷) affirmed in 1916: "I have already said elsewhere that Albania seems to me to contain the most important archaeological and anthropological documents for what concerns the origins of the MOST ANCIENT POPULATIONS OF THE BALKAN PENINSULA; populations that, at the dawn of history, we see appear under the name of Illyrians!
Sources : (The peoples of the Balkans, antropological sketches, Neuchâtel / Paris)
"What we can say with reasonable certainty is that there is no evidence that the Albanians immigrated to their land from anywhere else. It is therefore safe to assume that they are indigenous to the region, unlike their Slavic neighbors who invaded the Balkans from the north in the sixth and seventh centuries.
Source: Elsie, Robert.(🇨🇦) "Albanian Literature: A Short History". Dr. Elsie has written over sixty books on Albanian studies.
"After World War II, but especially since the serious riots in Kosovo in 1981, Serbian archaeologists have been at pains to disprove the theory of Illyrian ethnic origins of the Albanians."
Source: Vickers, Miranda.(🇬🇧) "Between Serb and Albanian: A History of Kosovo."
The father of the Serbian nation Dobrica Cosic considers the ability to lie and lying to be the
moral virtue of the Serbian people and the foundation of Serbian
foundation of Serbian pride.
Here is a direct quote from Dobrica Cosic: "Lying is the
greatest virtue of the Serbian people".
Dobrica Cosic continues and says: "We lie to deceive ourselves...
To console others, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our misery...
Lying is a trait of our
patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence.
We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively".
Source: Deobe book.
There is no evidence of any major migration into Albanian territory since the records of Illyrian occupation .
Source : Mallory, J.P.; Adams, D.Q., eds. (1997). Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture. Taylor & Francis. pp. 9, 11.
Because descent from Illyrians makes "geographical sense" and there is no linguistic or historical evidence proving a replacement, then the burden of proof lies on the side of those who would deny a connection of Albanian with Illyrian
Source : Katicic, Radoslav.
1976. The Ancient Languages of the Balkans. Berlin: Mouton. Page 188.
One of the most underrated indoeuropean language families but also one of the most interesting ones for me, I also think that Hellenic, Phrygian and Armenian languages are all very close related to them, now I will wait for the Tocharian family
The greatest scientific authorities of the world have pronounced themselves on the INDIGENOUS and Illyrian origin of the Albanians.
I will quote among others:
- 🇩🇪 Gottfried Leibniz
- 🇸🇪 Johann Thunmann
- 🇩🇪 Ritter von Xilander
- 🇩🇪 Franz Bopp
- 🇩🇪 Jakob Fallmerayer
- 🇩🇪 J, von Hahn
- 🇩🇪 Paul Kretschner
- 🇦🇹 Norbert Jokl
- 🇦🇹Maximilian Lambertz
- 🇬🇧 William Leak
- 🇬🇧 Stewart Mann
- 🇬🇧 Dane Holger Pedersen
- 🇮🇹 Angelo Masci
- 🇦🇹 G. Mayer, H. Olberg
- 🇦🇹 R. Solta
- 🇨🇵 A. Ducellier
- 🇭🇷 Milan Šufflay
- 🇭🇷 Radoslav. Katicic
Etc ...
From the beginning of the Paleolithic the territory of Illyria (formerly, from the two banks of the Danube to Epirus) was occupied by men as proven by numerous discoveries of which the Karprina caves dating from approximately 160.000 years (currently in Croatia), the Gjatan cave (in Albania near Shkodër), etc. .
Eugene Pittard (🇫🇷) affirmed in 1916: "I have already said elsewhere that Albania seems to me to contain the most important archaeological and anthropological documents for what concerns the origins of the MOST ANCIENT POPULATIONS OF THE BALKAN PENINSULA; populations that, at the dawn of history, we see appear under the name of Illyrians!
Sources : (The peoples of the Balkans, antropological sketches, Neuchâtel / Paris)
"What we can say with reasonable certainty is that there is no evidence that the Albanians immigrated to their land from anywhere else. It is therefore safe to assume that they are indigenous to the region, unlike their Slavic neighbors who invaded the Balkans from the north in the sixth and seventh centuries.
Source: Elsie, Robert.(🇨🇦) "Albanian Literature: A Short History". Dr. Elsie has written over sixty books on Albanian studies.
"After World War II, but especially since the serious riots in Kosovo in 1981, Serbian archaeologists have been at pains to disprove the theory of Illyrian ethnic origins of the Albanians."
Source: Vickers, Miranda.(🇬🇧) "Between Serb and Albanian: A History of Kosovo."
The father of the Serbian nation Dobrica Cosic considers the ability to lie and lying to be the
moral virtue of the Serbian people and the foundation of Serbian
foundation of Serbian pride.
Here is a direct quote from Dobrica Cosic: "Lying is the
greatest virtue of the Serbian people".
Dobrica Cosic continues and says: "We lie to deceive ourselves...
To console others, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our misery...
Lying is a trait of our
patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence.
We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively".
Source: Deobe book.
There is no evidence of any major migration into Albanian territory since the records of Illyrian occupation .
Source : Mallory, J.P.; Adams, D.Q., eds. (1997). Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture. Taylor & Francis. pp. 9, 11.
Because descent from Illyrians makes "geographical sense" and there is no linguistic or historical evidence proving a replacement, then the burden of proof lies on the side of those who would deny a connection of Albanian with Illyrian
Source : Katicic, Radoslav.
1976. The Ancient Languages of the Balkans. Berlin: Mouton. Page 188.
The Albanian tribal society has retained the ancient Illyrian social structure based on tribal units.
Source :
1 - Michael L. Galaty (2002). "Modeling the Formation and Evolution of an Illyrian Tribal
System: Ethnographic and Archaeological Analogs". In William A. Parkinson (ed.). The Archaeology of Tribal Societies .
2 - Villar, Francisco (1996). Los indoeuropeos y los orígenes de Europa ...
Etc ...
illyria is albanian
Lol
@@istoricroman5062 Are you a Romanian hater? Well your girls don’t hate us, hahaha. I meet many Romanian girls here in the UK, they do anything for Albanian guys…. 😉
@@181ld7 You talk like you are 5 years old.
@@istoricroman5062 😂😂😂😂
@@istoricroman5062albania it's an Illyrian Name that come from the Illyrian tribe of the Albanoi.
And some say "Kosovo is Serbia"
I have a word to them: look at this map and see where proto-albanian originate (in Kosovo/Dardania)
Kinda irrelevant but I love how the albanians' place of origin (Kosovo) is way smaller than their current homeland lol
@@Dinosaur315 The original homeland of Albanians is actually much bigger. The Proto-Albanian ethnogenesis covered modern-day North Albania, Kosovo, Nothern N.Macedonia, South Serbia, East Bulgaria, and even a very small part of Romania.
The biggest twist is finding out these languages you never heard of and who look like were about to die turned out to be Albanian all along.
Norbert JOKL: ""The Albanian language serves as a fiber that keeps the trunk alive and connetct this branches with roots. As you descent along this fiber to the wonders of history, strands can be affectedt. The Albanian language is a tool through which the seeker can illuminate the dawn of Albanian people's beginnings and immerse themselves in time that goes beyong the historical evidence "".
Kupios Costas Melas. :)
Thank you for your tireless research and work. Again i learned something from you video.
You are a great educator.
Thank you very much
The greatest scientific authorities of the world have pronounced themselves on the INDIGENOUS and Illyrian origin of the Albanians.
I will quote among others:
- 🇩🇪 Gottfried Leibniz
- 🇸🇪 Johann Thunmann
- 🇩🇪 Ritter von Xilander
- 🇩🇪 Franz Bopp
- 🇩🇪 Jakob Fallmerayer
- 🇩🇪 J, von Hahn
- 🇩🇪 Paul Kretschner
- 🇦🇹 Norbert Jokl
- 🇦🇹Maximilian Lambertz
- 🇬🇧 William Leak
- 🇬🇧 Stewart Mann
- 🇬🇧 Dane Holger Pedersen
- 🇮🇹 Angelo Masci
- 🇦🇹 G. Mayer, H. Olberg
- 🇦🇹 R. Solta
- 🇨🇵 A. Ducellier
- 🇭🇷 Milan Šufflay
- 🇭🇷 Radoslav. Katicic
Etc ...
From the beginning of the Paleolithic the territory of Illyria (formerly, from the two banks of the Danube to Epirus) was occupied by men as proven by numerous discoveries of which the Karprina caves dating from approximately 160.000 years (currently in Croatia), the Gjatan cave (in Albania near Shkodër), etc. .
Eugene Pittard (🇫🇷) affirmed in 1916: "I have already said elsewhere that Albania seems to me to contain the most important archaeological and anthropological documents for what concerns the origins of the MOST ANCIENT POPULATIONS OF THE BALKAN PENINSULA; populations that, at the dawn of history, we see appear under the name of Illyrians!
Sources : (The peoples of the Balkans, antropological sketches, Neuchâtel / Paris)
"What we can say with reasonable certainty is that there is no evidence that the Albanians immigrated to their land from anywhere else. It is therefore safe to assume that they are indigenous to the region, unlike their Slavic neighbors who invaded the Balkans from the north in the sixth and seventh centuries.
Source: Elsie, Robert.(🇨🇦) "Albanian Literature: A Short History". Dr. Elsie has written over sixty books on Albanian studies.
"After World War II, but especially since the serious riots in Kosovo in 1981, Serbian archaeologists have been at pains to disprove the theory of Illyrian ethnic origins of the Albanians."
Source: Vickers, Miranda.(🇬🇧) "Between Serb and Albanian: A History of Kosovo."
The father of the Serbian nation Dobrica Cosic considers the ability to lie and lying to be the
moral virtue of the Serbian people and the foundation of Serbian
foundation of Serbian pride.
Here is a direct quote from Dobrica Cosic: "Lying is the
greatest virtue of the Serbian people".
Dobrica Cosic continues and says: "We lie to deceive ourselves...
To console others, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our misery...
Lying is a trait of our
patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence.
We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively".
Source: Deobe book.
There is no evidence of any major migration into Albanian territory since the records of Illyrian occupation .
Source : Mallory, J.P.; Adams, D.Q., eds. (1997). Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture. Taylor & Francis. pp. 9, 11.
Because descent from Illyrians makes "geographical sense" and there is no linguistic or historical evidence proving a replacement, then the burden of proof lies on the side of those who would deny a connection of Albanian with Illyrian
Source : Katicic, Radoslav.
1976. The Ancient Languages of the Balkans. Berlin: Mouton. Page 188.
Amazing video and work, keep it up 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you
Those 2 lines that showed up on the dalmatian coast in the 18th century, those are Arbanasi, who ran away from the Ottomans, and built a village next to the town of Zadar.
Thank you very much kosta for this video 🇦🇱❤🇬🇷
You're welcome :)
There’s consensus that Gheg and Tosk Albanian split before the Slavic migrations into the Balkans in the 7th and 8th century.
Kosvo is and was truly Albanian
There is a slight mistake,
Ghegh Albanian and Tosk Albanian split happend before the arrival of the south slavs, so around 5th century AD.
And proto Albanian is from about 1st century AD.
right. ghegs and tosks were 2 tribes of the illyrian arbani people living in northern albania
Damn, I literally just searched this video thinking you must have made it and you released it today!
We be the ancient ones. Thank you for the video, incredible work.
Thank you
The extinction of these languages is a tragedy.
We almost colonized Italy and Anatolia but now we are in a small number
I hope Slavs would go away from Balkan and stop colonizing it
you should really take a look at north america, over 5000 languages got extinct in the US alone.
I love your work megale!! Sunexise etsi!!!
17.5k Views but 3.5k comments? It tells one thing, a lot of butthurt people in the comments. We can all guess who they are, no need to mention them. Really sad world we live in that's filled with hatred and jealousy instead of love and appreciation.
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These are serb/greek nerds, no need to give a damn about them.
@@blockie9706 Nah but I feel it’s the same guy with multiple accounts 😭 😂. Dude has like 1 Romanian account, 2 Serb accounts. 2 Greek accounts and a Caucasus account. I know all this because he says the same “We have a saying here Albanians talk brothers Grimm write it down” lmfaooooo. Also they respond to each other rather quickly and on this video alone they’ve been spending half their days for months.
Albanian was first attested in the 15th century and it is a descendant of one of the Paleo-Balkan languages of antiquity. For reasons that are more historical and geographical than specifically linguistic, some modern historians and linguists believe that the Albanian language may have descended from a southern Illyrian dialect[11] spoken in much the same region in classical times. Alternative hypotheses hold that Albanian may have descended from Thracian or Daco-Moesian, other ancient languages spoken farther east than Illyrian.[10][12] Too little is known of these languages to completely prove or disprove the various hypotheses
Nah, Albanians are from caucasus
@@societasdraconistrarum2145 Caucasian Albanians are Lezgins lol
@@societasdraconistrarum2145 Nah,this is just pseudo-history.
@@shqipemalesore2620 it's joke. There used to be a group in the Caucasus called "Albanians"
@@kapuz-z4083 I don't think the guy was joking actually😅
Long live Albanianhood 🇦🇱🇽🇰❤
So albanian comes from illyrian? I had no idea. Beautiful knowing there is a survivor of this group of families. ❤️❤️❤️
Albanian is the last surviving paleo balkan language besides greek so thats very special in its own way.
Its theorized that Albanian came from Illyrian or a Thracian language but illyrian is the most belivable one due to the illyrian toponyms having etymology in albanian
Illyrian language never existed.
@@georgiosalencarchardavella7527 Tf?
@@drinikelmendi7674 Huh
@@georgiosalencarchardavella7527 ofc illyrian language existed
This is awesome! I thank you from the bottom of my heart, our neighbor from beautiful Greece. I study the Albanian language, the origin of Albanians, I have my own private library. Through the Internet, arbitrary videos and documentaries are usually produced either by exaggerating things or by minimizing them, where historical interpretations are often not missing, referring to today's political contexts or the recent past, but which do not correspond at all to scientific sources. I had never seen anything so precise and scientific on RUclips before. Thank you very much for your work and publishing this digital project. With your permission, may I save (copy) this video and keep it in my digital archive? Below it I will mention the author (which is you) and where I got it from, along with the date! I expect a positive response from you, even if you do not accept, this will not affect the respect for you. Kalimera 🇦🇱❤️🇬🇷
Imagine an alternate universe where the Slavic invasions never happened. The Illyrian, Thracian, and Dacian languages would all still be alive and closely related.
Albanian are the only Illyrian language that survive into current times.
@@alguemai6636 how when it have latin in it? Majority latin but also big bunch of words of Slavic and Turkish orgin
@@societasdraconistrarum2145 Because of the roman empire. It is considered to be a partially latinized language. It it said if the roman empire lasted longer it would have been a fully latinized language just like Romanian.
To call the majority latin is wrong, as it is classified as a distinct language by linguists. Influenced yes, but still to different to be called a latin language.
If no slavic invasion they could all know that those languages were Greek
They would all be speaking Romance language or Greek
very good explained, great job, greeting from Albania
Thank you
Nice video! May I ask what you use to make these sort of videos?
Thank you. I use paintnet and blender
@@CostasMelas Thank you to you as well.
great video
Thank you
There are some inconsistencies though. If the emperor Justinian was from a town close to Skopje, North Macedonia, and was Illyrian, logically that area of North Macedonia should be included.
Amazing video 💪
Thank you
There are only Tocharian languages left of all other Indo-European languages
Kosovo is definitely Albanian
Dardania not ‘Kosovo’
@@kostas0352 it’s never been Serbian ❤️
@@kostas0352 if Kosova is Serbian, than with your same logic, Macedonia is also Serboman Slavic.
@Serbonian Bog you are a liar and a troll because all the known data that exists for kosovo 1389 clearly state that Albanians fought on the side of Serbs, Bosnians, Croats. The Turkish census also states there was 46 Albanian homes.
But overall, Serbia invaded that region and pushed Albanians to the isolated mountainous regions where they preserved their ancient Albanian illyrian language that makes you feel so sad all the time lol.
The original ancient name of Kosova is Dardania, and this ancient name is connected with Albanian Illyrian language en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardani#Etymology
Kosovo is only Serbian
Illyrian and Thracian then: our languages control all the Balkans, northern Anatolia, and southern Italy!
Illyrian and Thracian now: uwu help am only Albania 👉👈
@@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173 bru they are related to illyrian and thracian 💀🤦♂️
@@BaenjaminS far-fetched. It’s more likely that Albanian formed in the vicinity of the Carpathians due to the affinity and shared words with Rumanian and proto-Balto-Slavic
Illyrian language never existed
@@BaenjaminS just illyrian with thracian influences not half half
@@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173 put it shortly: Albanians are descendants of partly romanized Paleo-Balkanic tribes of antiquity. We have our own language tree, 60% Roman loanwords from the Roman conquest of the Balkans, and our name is derived from the Illyrian ‘Albani’ tribe, mentioned by Ptolemy in Central and North Albania in 150AD. Albanian and Romanian share multiple hundred common words, some of them are pre-Roman old-Balkanic. There has never been any recorded migration of Albanians whatsoever, we just ‘appear’ in the North Albanian, hardly accessible mountains in 1043 as the ‘Albanoi’ tribe mentioned by Ptolemy nearly 1000 years prior. In our own language, we called ourselves ‘Arberësh’ at that point, and our country ‘Arbëria’, which are thought to be connected with the latin/greek name ‘Albani’.
There are another 50 points I could list about the two Albanian dialects having formed before the Slavic migration into the Balkans near the Shkumbin river, and the Illyrian tribal names that are provingly connected to Albanian words (Dardani, Dalmati, Taulanti etc.). There are a lot of arguments regarding Albanian origin.
Now tell me: what are the two major options of Albanian origin? Exactly: Illyrian, or Daco-Thracian. There are no other people groups that lived in the ancient Balkans (beside Hellenics obviously). Only these two. That’s why all modern scholars working on Albanian origin argue wether Albanians are Illyrian or Dacian. There is not enough evidence about either of these two languages to fully say which is right.
All we know is that, due to geographical reasons, the Albanian-Illyrian tribal names, the Albanian connection to the Messapic-Illyrian dialect of Apulia and the name of Albania being of Illyrian origin, Albanians are considered as the likely remnants of Illyrian mountain tribes by mainstream historians.
If you Wanna compare Croats (or other slavs) with Romans, its wrong, for one reason: Croats speak a Slavic language, while Albanians have their independent language that is the last survivor of a language family which is mostly extinct. And there are two language families in the ancient Balkans that are extinct today; Illyrian and Dacian-Thracian. No wonder scholars consider Albanian the survivor of one of these two.
I don't understand why some people say it's either Serbs or Albanians that are Illyrian. In my mind both are Illyrian. Just one is culturally assimilated with a different culture.
Serbs are Slavs, Illyrians weren’t Slavs.
@@181ld7 Serbs are only part Slav. Illyrians mix with them.
So much for "pure Race."
Albanians mostly aren't part Slav. So they aren't admixed.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 No not really. Once the South Slavs migrated to the Balkan Peninsula in the 7th Century, most of the Illyrian populations were already either Romanized (assimilated) or killed off (due to Roman, Gothic, Hunnic, and Illyrian on Illyrian invasions - and especially the Justinian Plague). The Illyrians were nearing extinction before the South Slavs invaded, so they barely would’ve mixed.
On the other hand, modern Albanians are the ONLY surviving Illyrian population. They evaded full romanization in the Dardanian mountains through pastoral and semi-nomadic lifestyle and geographical isolation (similar to how Basques and Welsh avoided romanization). During the Roman era, some of the Proto-Albanians have settled in the lowlands near Kruja in Albania, adopting the name “Arbanoi” (Latin: Albanoi) meaning “lowlanders” (“Arberor”, the Albanian endonym until the 18. Century) as opposed to “highlanders” (meaning “Malesor”). By the time of the Slavic migration, most romanized Illyrians, Vlachs and Albanians have been assimilated, leading to a genetic bottleneck which is well-documented among Albanians roughly 1500 years ago - only very few Albanians survived the Slavic migrations (less than 1000), leading to a founder effect and today’s genetic homogenity of Albanians. In 1043, Michael Attaliates mentions a “revolt of the Albanoi”, using the same classicizing name for the Illyrian Albanoi of Ptolemy. From that point onwards, Albanians re-expand in numbers and territory, settling most of modern Albania and parts of Western Kosovo / South Montenegro.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 There have even been genetic studies between European ethnic groups, showing that genetically, Albanians are closer to Romanians and Bulgarians, than to Serbs. Ironic right?
@@181ld7 in founder population affect endogamy the Dacian, Thracian and Illyrian derived Romanians, Bulgarians and Albanians would be closer related. I seen this study.
I just postulate that the Serbs just mix with a different population of Illyrians.
Do to endogamy the Albanians formed a genetic cluster that became unique and related to the less admixed Romanians and Bulgarians.
The Illyrians you mentioned and the modern Albanians genetically diverged.
And the founder population became mostly generally usually endogamous.
The leftovers diverged. Than mix.
Serbs are around 30-50% Illyrian.
Albanians, Bulgarians and Romanians are like 90% Balkanic. And less admixed with other races so cluster closer similarly.
While Slavs are unrelated. And the Illyrians they contacted with would be leftovers who genetically diverged and mutated. Mutated because mixing with Slavs. Shifting who they cluster with. Becoming unrelated to Albanians.
Keep in mind Albanians cluster closer related to Croatians and Bosniaks than they do Serbs.
Infact this is further proof that Albanians are Illyrians. Because upper Illyria wasn't as ravaged as lower Illyria. Where the Albanians live.
Do you imply that Paeonian was a Illyrian-Thracian сreole language?
It is likely, because it arises in the border zone of the two groups. The ancient sources also associated it sometimes with thracian and sometimes with Illyrian
@@CostasMelas I'm not sure a creole makes sense, if Thracian and Illyrian were closely related it would be likely a transitional dialect(or maybe not) and if they aren't then it could be anything really, from being directly member of one of the 2 groups to again being something else.
If Thracian and Illyrian would have formed a branch of IE langauges from the late bronze age to the Roman invasion, then Paronian might have been a transitional language, influenced and formed by creole elements
They were Pellasgians, therefore Greek.
@Jordan & Jordan
" When the Turks and the Bulgarians left, Macedonia remained a purely Greek region. "
( Henry Morgenthau, Sr. )
Fantastic video. Amazing job. Deserves views and recognition. Bravo 👏
Thank you very much
Great video! Do Tocharian languages next.
You are gonna receive a lot of hate from serbs for this video be prepared XD
Who cares bro… who cares
Well you can’t escape the truth, you can continually spam videos and dislike as much as you want, it wont change anything.
@wolfs hordes what the hell are you saying??
@wolfs hordes we dont have vllah romuni in my country, most of them are in grecce Bulgaria and Macedonia. I dont know where those ppl came from. But we with them are not the same ppl.
Why should serbs hate this lol?
I am confused as to how the Illyrian-Proto Albanian Language survive, but not the Thracian and Dacian one? Can someone explain?
Thracian and dacian are assimilated by romans and greeks but albanians saved themselves from them
@nikolav.7406What's funny?
@nikolav.7406 No wonder that a Serb would say this anyways. You try to fake everything that has to do with us, can't you do anything else?
One word, Romans
@nikolav.7406 Who "everyone"? Greeks didn't get assimilated for example. Plus that Albanians lived mostly in mountainous places or valleys and hadn't populated that much the today's western plain of Albania
Thank you for making this.
MY RESPECT FOR GREEKS ↗️↗️↗️
“ There is everything in Greece except Greeks “LoL
- Greece: a Civilization Uncovered 1829 A.D.
Find your roots first haha
For what? For telling the truth?
@@blockie9706 obviusly telling the truth because many serbs and Greek friends deny basic facts supported by most linguists historyans and Academics
@@jordand1043 There was never an ethnic replacement in Greece
@@jordand1043 Greece has 200 years as modern national state, not as a nation or as a civilization
very nice vid, though the gheg/tosk split happened in the 6-7th centuries.
They got Slavized,Hellenized and Latinized :(
Wrong order, but yes.
@@firstnamesecondname852 and also then turkicized in Thrace and Bythinia regions of Modern day Turkey
sad truth
@Mehmet Malkoç 1/3 of Anatólia Muslim Greeks
Why do you feel sad turk ? Should we ask you what happened to anatolian languages when turks came😏
I may not like the religion of most Albani people but god bless you my indo-european brothers, you are the last branch of a ancient and respectable people
Gu di unns🙏
Great video, Costas. Also in Romanian language we have a lot of possible Dacian words:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romanian_words_of_possible_Dacian_origin
P.S Salute to you, Albanians! 👍
Thank you
Claudiu.
Did you see my comment where I show lots of Dacian words?
@@nestingherit7012 if you posted a link, I don't see that.
@@claudiu8426
Look for my comment with a round violet circle with a A in the middle.
I showed lots of Dacians words but I have a feeling the comment is hidden by You Tube
Albanians and Romanians ( Vlachs) have some points in common.
Vlachs didn’t have Orthodox Church so they followed the Slavonic and Bulgarian Church. It’s only in 17 century that Romanians have own Orthodox Church and so could protect their Language.
Albanians also didn’t have orthodox Church and could be assimilated by Greeks and Slavs.
What saved Albanians is that many albanians converted in catholic and muslim
It’s ONLY in 20 century that Albanian orthodox coule have their own Orthodox Church.
Great stuff!
Thank you
Quality Content
Its fascinating how Albanian is the only surviving paleo balkan language (excluding greek from this branch and putting it on the hellenic one)
When dacians, thracians and illyrians occupied so much lands, had colonies (south italy for illyrians) and big kingdoms.
The romans ruined so much about this incredible region.
@Emiliano messapian is a sub-branch of the illyrian branch.
Just like Dardanian was...
Messapian developed away from illyrian lands in southern italy apulia.
The Messapians were quite developed aswell because they are the only illyrian tribe that actually wrote down quite abit.
@Emiliano dude, did you read what i said?
I legit said "messapian is a sub branch of the illyrian branch" which means messapian is descendant of illyrian just like dardanian... but developed away from the mainland territories of illyria because it was a madafakkin colony...
@Emiliano Dude.
Messapians ARE illyrian but with a language that developed outside mainland illyria because it was a fucking colony.
Messapians were just like Dardanians who had their own language group WITHIN the illyrian languages.
Dont make it seem like messapians are their own fucking entity when they arent because all of their scripts are related to illyrian.
Messapians and Dardanians formed their own language groups within illyrian branch but they were still illyrian.
Its like saying Dacians arent part of the Thracian group because they had a different language that derived from thracian and different kingdoms when they were the same people
@Emiliano yes they did, messapian created a federation of 3 main tribes alongside 12 smaller groups, and also asked for help against romans to Phyrro
@@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173 lmfao
Excellent video Costas 👍
Thank you
I'm sure these guys have a lot of admixed descendants throughout the Balkans and Anatolia.
Who is "you"?
Greeks *
Albanian language and Romanian have a lot of similarity, some words ar ponunced the same 😉
I would expect this to be more of shared Latin origin. Since albania is also heavily influenced by Latins
Reminds me of 'bukur' and 'bucur'. It means beautiful in Albanian and I saw they call the capital city of Romania 'Bukureshti', which phonologically sounds like 'bukur eshtë', which means 'beautiful it is (this city)'.
@@DionysiosPhryx lovely to now tish 🙂
@@pits.893 not really
There are actually some words in romanian and albanian not common to latin or any other language besides them
este-është (is)
Nice job👍
Thank you
Surprising that the language survives into Albanian. But the lands that it used to inhabit were in former Yugoslavia.
Isn't dardanian also an illyrian language ?
is a dialect, also dalmatian
Yes it was an Illyrian with some Thracian elements
yes it was an illyrian language but since it has been identified he separated it from the rest of illyrian languages
@@hellenicnationalism7608 no, many ancient greek and roman writer mentioned them as one of the three strongest ILLYRIAN tribes.
@@hellenicnationalism7608 Please I can clearly see by your name that you will follow an anti albanian campaign to spread non sense. I will not discuss it further with you. Have a great day.
Hello Costas. How about tocharian languages?
The last one I have left to do from the IE languages. I hope to finish it soon
😹😹😹😹 Thank you albanians that you exist so we can all laugh at you 😹😹😹😹😹
Haha mad Orthodog brothers
Stay mad 🇦🇱🇽🇰🇦🇱🇽🇰🇦🇱🇽🇰🇦🇱
thank you greeks that you make it easier for albanians to tell how you can build myths to create a fake history and call yourself still greeks when there is no one left... you greatest historians admitted that in Athens half of the population spoke albanian at some point... And out of 100 general who fought for independence in 1821, 99 of them were Albanian( Arvanites).....jasu barba kalispera
Thank you that you exist,so all accademic world can all laugh at nationalists.
Based
@@arihoxha5382 stat mad😁
Giuseppe Catapano: "Atlantida which disappeared 12,000 years ago, was the land of the Pelasgians (ancestors of Albanians), who escaped the flood of Atlantis and began new civilizations on all continents, especially in Europe, Africa and small Asia ". THOTH spoke Albanian! Thot means "to say" in Albanian Language. Pelasgian means "Caveman" (Shpellazg).
Zeus was Pelasgian, not a Helen! After Illyad, the Language of Gods was Gheg.(Herodotus)
A study recently published in Science Magazine 2023 proves the antiquity of the Albanian language, which is much earlier than the Greek and Armenian languages > 8000 years old.
Sanskrit, old Greek, and Latin languages are already dead. The Albanian Language "GHEG Dialect" is still alive! It is the Indo-European language. It can decipher the symbols and other languages.
I liked your (correct) not including the Liburnian, Histrian, and Venetic areas within the range of illyric (differently from what someone - erroneously - does), because they were languages belonging to the common-proto-italic branch, indeed. 👍👍
In case of the Dacian language. It got latinized and became proto-romanian. How much of vocabulary...is still debated, but even the few words that we manage to track as Dacian are essential in Romanian, plus a lot of phonetical and grammar features found only in Romanian, Bulgarian and Albanian.
Definitely Romanian is a Romance language, but also it could never have existed without the Dacian part. You really cannot say Romanian culture without: Doina, Carpați, Magura, Brad, Dunăre, Olt, pârâu, cimpoi, tulnic, copil...and many more
The only Romanization of the Vlach language was during the 18th and 19th centuries, when words were forcibly changed to French or Italian dialects.
@@МиланПотић-б9х it
Was insignificant considering the fact that Documents from the 1500s and 1600s are bassically the same as the Romanian spoken now
@@raul9648 >it
Was insignificant
No it wasn't, do you think Romanian always had all those French and Italian words or do you think it was always writin in Latin letters? It wasn't.
@@g-rexsaurus794 …. I ve seen the actual letters from the 15th century myself… what do you mean it wasn’t? You speak my language better than me?
@@g-rexsaurus794 the alphabet was Slavonic but the words were almost the same as the current ones,
Fantastic video, great job! I just have some small adittions/corrections to make;
1. Before the Serbian expulsion of Albanians in 1877 (look it up), they also lived and were a majority northwest of Kosovo up to Great Morava river. But i don't know when they came there.
2. Sometimes in the 17th or 18th century, Ottomans expelled some Albanian tribes into Sandžak region of Serbia, (between Sjenica and Novi Pazar), they were Slavicised only in 20th century and some elders reportedly still speak Albanian.
3. In 19th century, Albanians in Epirus still extended along the coast all the way towards the town of Preveza. Orthodox Albanians who lived there were Hellenized in late 19th and 20th century, while muslim Albanians were expelled after WW2.
I suggest you to look up more about these topics, not just take my word for it.
Thank you for the additional information
Albanians never lived in Kosovo until the appearance of the Turks, and they were a minority in Albania itself.
@@МиланПотић-б9х give actual reliable proof
@@МиланПотић-б9х dont forget to mention that serbs colonized mars but left AHAHAHAHAHA Serbias whole education system is based on fairy tails thats why serbs score the lowest on international exams
@@rickastley5321 There are no exact data from the time of the Ottoman Empire, because the province of Kosovo covered a larger part than today's Kosovo, and only Muslims were listed, and not on a national basis. But we will agree on one. The Americans are extremely sympathetic to the Albanians and very hostile to the Serbs. Even the Americans cannot hide the truth that the Albanians were not in Kosovo before the arrival of the Turks.
books.google.rs/books?id=jdEgt78b0tIC&pg=PA358&lpg=PA358&dq=albanians%20replaced%20serbs%20in%20kosovo&source=bl&ots=4zNfk69sb3&sig=ACfU3U2KapWSScI1wfcvN5S9lL4R80XKyQ&hl=sr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj4u-aPto3uAhXC-yoKHeEsA0M4WhDoATADegQIARAC&fbclid=IwAR1l37YuiQXP-WFFj0vrpGc3GOSxhbEQ_aUIcdSHN5vOcJask0HEE7yNLEY#v=onepage&q=albanians%20replaced%20serbs%20in%20kosovo&f=false
We should try to somehow revive the thracian languages using the albanian one , idk how but i say albanian due to it being the descendant of Illyrian , which Illyrian was a offspring of Thracian
🍒🍞☕️🍾
Illyrian wasn't an offspring of thracian, more like a cousin or even a sibling of it
Paeonians were possibly of Hellenic stock not Illyrian. Their Kings and cities had Greek names and Paeonian was probably a north Hellenic dialect with heavy influences from Illyrian and Thracian due to their geographical proximity 🇬🇷
@nikolav.7406 You Bulgarians are slavicized Tatarbulgars. You came to the region in the 6th AD! You are the least person to teach us about our native history.
According to Irwin L. Merker, this genealogy shows that the Ancient Greeks considered the Paionians to be of Hellenic stock. Their place-name has several cognates in Greece such as Παιονίδαι (Paeonidai), a deme of the tribe Leontis in Attica. A place in the Argolid also has the same name.
Irwin L. Merker considers Paeonian closely related to Greek (and ancient Macedonian if it was a distinct sister language of ancient Greek), namely a Hellenic language, but with a great deal of Thracian and Illyrian influence as a result of their proximity to them. Furthermore, the Paeonian kings issued coins from the time of Philip II of Macedon onwards, using the Greek alphabet. All the names of the Paeonian Kings that have come down to us are, in fact, explainable with and clearly related to Greek (Agis, Ariston, Audoleon, Lycceius, etc.), a fact that, according to Irwin L. Merker, puts into question the theories of Thracian and Illyrian connections.[12]
CITATION
[12] Merker, Irwin L. (1965). "THE ANCIENT KINGDOM OF PAIONIA". Institute for Balkan Studies (Greece). 6 (1): 36.
Some scholars have proposed a Greek origin and that their language was an ancient Greek dialect. The possibility that they took part in the Greek migration, remained behind on the route and consequently spoke a Greek dialect or a lost Indo-European language closely related to Greek cannot be ruled out.
Pausanias described that Paeon, the eponymous ancestor of the Paionians, was a brother of Epeius and Aetolus, the eponymous ancestors of the Epeians of Elis and the Aetolians respectively. According to Irwin L. Merker, this genealogy shows that the Ancient Greeks considered the Paionians to be of Hellenic stock. Their place-name has several cognates in Greece such as Παιονίδαι (Paeonidai), a deme of the tribe Leontis in Attica. A place in the Argolid also has the same name.
@nikolav.7406 You Bulgarians are slavicized Tatarbulgars. You came to the region in the 6th AD! You are the least person to teach us about our native history.
According to Irwin L. Merker, this genealogy shows that the Ancient Greeks considered the Paionians to be of Hellenic stock. Their place-name has several cognates in Greece such as Παιονίδαι (Paeonidai), a deme of the tribe Leontis in Attica. A place in the Argolid also has the same name.
Irwin L. Merker considers Paeonian closely related to Greek (and ancient Macedonian if it was a distinct sister language of ancient Greek), namely a Hellenic language, but with a great deal of Thracian and Illyrian influence as a result of their proximity to them. Furthermore, the Paeonian kings issued coins from the time of Philip II of Macedon onwards, using the Greek alphabet. All the names of the Paeonian Kings that have come down to us are, in fact, explainable with and clearly related to Greek (Agis, Ariston, Audoleon, Lycceius, etc.), a fact that, according to Irwin L. Merker, puts into question the theories of Thracian and Illyrian connections.[12]
CITATION
[12] Merker, Irwin L. (1965). "THE ANCIENT KINGDOM OF PAIONIA". Institute for Balkan Studies (Greece). 6 (1): 36.
Some scholars have proposed a Greek origin and that their language was an ancient Greek dialect. The possibility that they took part in the Greek migration, remained behind on the route and consequently spoke a Greek dialect or a lost Indo-European language closely related to Greek cannot be ruled out.
Pausanias described that Paeon, the eponymous ancestor of the Paionians, was a brother of Epeius and Aetolus, the eponymous ancestors of the Epeians of Elis and the Aetolians respectively. According to Irwin L. Merker, this genealogy shows that the Ancient Greeks considered the Paionians to be of Hellenic stock. Their place-name has several cognates in Greece such as Παιονίδαι (Paeonidai), a deme of the tribe Leontis in Attica. A place in the Argolid also has the same name.
@nikolav.7406 Pausanias described that Paeon, the eponymous ancestor of the Paionians, was a brother of Epeius and Aetolus, the eponymous ancestors of the Epeians of Elis and the Aetolians respectively. According to Irwin L. Merker, this genealogy shows that the Ancient Greeks considered the Paionians to be of Hellenic stock. Their place-name has several cognates in Greece such as Παιονίδαι (Paeonidai), a deme of the tribe Leontis in Attica. A place in the Argolid also has the same name.
Irwin L. Merker considers Paeonian closely related to Greek (and ancient Macedonian if it was a distinct sister language of ancient Greek), namely a Hellenic language, but with a great deal of Thracian and Illyrian influence as a result of their proximity to them. Furthermore, the Paeonian kings issued coins from the time of Philip II of Macedon onwards, using the Greek alphabet. All the names of the Paeonian Kings that have come down to us are, in fact, explainable with and clearly related to Greek (Agis, Ariston, Audoleon, Lycceius, etc.), a fact that, according to Irwin L. Merker, puts into question the theories of Thracian and Illyrian connections.
Some scholars have proposed a Greek origin and that their language was an ancient Greek dialect. The possibility that they took part in the Greek migration, remained behind on the route and consequently spoke a Greek dialect or a lost Indo-European language closely related to Greek cannot be ruled out.
According to Irwin L. Merker, this genealogy shows that the Ancient Greeks considered the Paionians to be of Hellenic stock. Their place-name has several cognates in Greece such as Παιονίδαι (Paeonidai), a deme of the tribe Leontis in Attica. A place in the Argolid also has the same name.
Irwin L. Merker considers Paeonian closely related to Greek (and ancient Macedonian if it was a distinct sister language of ancient Greek), namely a Hellenic language, but with a great deal of Thracian and Illyrian influence as a result of their proximity to them. Furthermore, the Paeonian kings issued coins from the time of Philip II of Macedon onwards, using the Greek alphabet. All the names of the Paeonian Kings that have come down to us are, in fact, explainable with and clearly related to Greek (Agis, Ariston, Audoleon, Lycceius, etc.), a fact that, according to Irwin L. Merker, puts into question the theories of Thracian and Illyrian connections.[12]
CITATION
[12] Merker, Irwin L. (1965). "THE ANCIENT KINGDOM OF PAIONIA". Institute for Balkan Studies (Greece). 6 (1): 36.
@nikolav.7406 Irwin L. Merker considers Paeonian closely related to Greek (and ancient Macedonian if it was a distinct sister language of ancient Greek), namely a Hellenic language, but with a great deal of Thracian and Illyrian influence as a result of their proximity to them. Furthermore, the Paeonian kings issued coins from the time of Philip II of Macedon onwards, using the Greek alphabet. All the names of the Paeonian Kings that have come down to us are, in fact, explainable with and clearly related to Greek (Agis, Ariston, Audoleon, Lycceius, etc.), a fact that, according to Irwin L. Merker, puts into question the theories of Thracian and Illyrian connections.
According to Irwin L. Merker, this genealogy shows that the Ancient Greeks considered the Paionians to be of Hellenic stock. Their place-name has several cognates in Greece such as Παιονίδαι (Paeonidai), a deme of the tribe Leontis in Attica. A place in the Argolid also has the same name.
Irwin L. Merker considers Paeonian closely related to Greek (and ancient Macedonian if it was a distinct sister language of ancient Greek), namely a Hellenic language, but with a great deal of Thracian and Illyrian influence as a result of their proximity to them.
@nikolav.7406 Pausanias described that Paeon, the eponymous ancestor of the Paionians, was a brother of Epeius and Aetolus, the eponymous ancestors of the Epeians of Elis and the Aetolians respectively. According to Irwin L. Merker, this genealogy shows that the Ancient Greeks considered the Paionians to be of Hellenic stock. Their place-name has several cognates in Greece such as Παιονίδαι (Paeonidai), a deme of the tribe Leontis in Attica. A place in the Argolid also has the same name.
Well done video
Thank you
Nice Video
Thank you
Genetic testing has shown that Croats living along along the Dinaric Alps (both sides of the Croatia and Bosnia border) have up to 71% Illyrian DNA. Genetically, northern Albanians have about 20% Illyrian DNA.
Igenea 😂
36% i2a serbs
14% r1a
5% r1b
5% j
4% j2
13% e-1b1b
7% i1
6% other
bosniaks
43% i2a
14% ria
8% r1b
3% j2
10% E
6% i1
and other unrelated garbage
croats I2a = 36%
I2 dinaric-south - 45
I2 dinaric-north - 6
I2 western - 1
I2 M223 - 1
R1a = 26%
R1a Z280 - 24
R1a M458 - 4
R1a M198 - 4
R1a M420 - 4
R1a Z283 - 2
E1b = 11%
E-V13 -17 (type)
J2 = 2%
J2a - 2
J2b2 M421 - 4
J2b1 M205 - 4
R1b = 9%
R1b L23 - 4
R1b L51 - 3
R1b - 4
R1b L21 - 2
R1b U106 - 2
I1 = 4%
I1 M253 - 5
I1 - 1
Q1 = 2%
Q1b - 2
Q1a - 1
G1 = 1%
G2 = 1%
serbs
36% i2a
14% r1a
5% r1b
5% j
4% j2
13% e-1b1b
7% i1
6% other no illyrian
bosniaks
43% i2a
14% ria
8% r1b
3% j2
10% E
6% i1
and other unrelated garbage barely some illyrian with the 3 percent both serbs, croats
personaly i dont think you slava should stay in the ballkans since you dont belong here neither does your blood you are not illyrian but some vlachs instead
Croats are as Illyrian as I am French
Είστε ιστορικός με κάποια ιδιαίτερη ειδικότητα κύριε Μελά;
When tocharians languages???
I hope soon
PELASGIAN ILLYRIAN ALBANIAN SHQIPËTARË 🇦🇱🇽🇰
the Albanians have nothing to do with the Illyrians. The ancient Illyrians were not Albanians, nor did they speak Albanian. Albanians later settled in the places where the Illyrians lived
As you wish slav as you wish
@@lekdukaxhini3392 history is written and does not change. You have nothing to do with the Illyrians. The Illyrians lived until the 4th century A.D., the Albanians appeared as a nation after the 5th century A.D. Learn the true history of your country turcalban
@@whostolemytv610 Albanians first mentioned around Elbasan in the end of 11th century.