I have a pair arriving tomorrow -despite reading between the lines on these reviews that seem to be all over the place, I couldn’t resist getting a pair to try out. I’m like a curious child who wants to stick a fork in the toaster anyway despite parents explaining why it’s a bad idea.
@@jean-phil they are ok, good on dry smoother single track , gravel, but not my choice for anything technical or sloppy - grip is not super confident as I would like and the upper Fit has a more loose feeling overall regardless of lacing or sock type. Honestly more of a “meh” feeling for me after I’ve really put longer miles on them - They feel quick and fun, like the road endorphins but that fun feeling is diminished by constant fear of landing wrong on something in more rough terrain as they are not forgiving and seem to react quickly with a roll in comparison to other shoes. I have gone back to trying to determine between speed goats, caldera and now the north face enduris 2 as my new favorite no- worry, do it all trail shoe.
How many of us normal runners need all this stuff? I just read 'Born to Run' again and I think these shoes are injuries waiting to happen for most of us mere mortals. I still wear Ultra Glides, on my 2nd pair now. Soft, grippy, good fit, easy on the body, and stable. Probably clunky for elite racers, but for me...when I race 100 miles, at my age of 58...I need safely fast...and alot of speed walking. Grip and cushion, not a carbon plate! Ridiculous...IMHO. Enjoying the VLOGs Loyd.
Nice review Lloyd! Looks very similar to Hoka Tecton X in terms of purpose, weight, plate etc It has been incredible for me. Everything you liked in this but none of those issues. I’ve already bought a second pair and raced them in a 70k trail with varied terrain, technical and no issues
I've got one 7 mile run in mine right now. Definitely enjoyed them the first time around. Got some rocky running on a 14000 ft mountain on the books out here in Colorado this weekend. Hope to test that durability. I'm concerned but still so excited for the shoe
Nice review Loyd, thanks! Your glowing review of the Xodus Ultra 2 last year had me giving Saucony a try (well first time since my high school baseball cleats - just a "few" decades ago ;) ) and I have to say you were spot on, love those shoes for the near perfect all-arounder they are, though they could use a tad more arch room (traded out the very thick insert to remedy). Speaking of my more competitive sporting days gone by, with the accumulated leg injuries, I've decided to give these Endorphin Edge carbons a try for the promised comfort and spring during the longer distance flat trail runs. My ankles aren't great, so I'll park them when I venture into more technical single track fun! 🍻
After about a month with these, have to say, they are scary. First of all they are very wide at the front, but very narrow at the heel. Bizarre. Every trail shoe I currently use (ASICS Trabuco Max 1, Trabuco 11, Trabuco Lite 2, Salomon Pulsar, Saucony Xodus Ultra 2) run at least a half size small, but these Endorphin Edges run larger than true, but feel even bigger because of the wide toe box. I have to premise by saying that I am under pronated, so with the narrow heel and soft cushion, these shoes roll over on me very easily. I’m almost afraid to walk with them in my hilly back yard, where I feel I have to focus declining for goodness sake. I can’t remember ever having an athletic shoe with such a heel platform, especially a running road or trail shoe? Icing on the cake, the upper material is so thin and pliable/flimsy, I’m getting little support from the material (like water shoes, dare I say I have thicker winter socks) to help compensate for the wideness. As much as I like the Xodus Ultra 2’s (after using thinner inserts for the low arch design), these Endorphin Edges are very disappointing to me. It’ll be the rare occasion I wear these, perhaps for walking or treadmill duty. Shame for this price point.
Runs lighter in my view. The Tectonic X is more stable on rocks and exposed stone, but for more buffed terrain the Hoka lacks pop and feels bottom-heavy. I really like the Edge; it rivals the Speedland PDX and I will use for my next 50-miler.
I love and respect such an honest rewind! I would like to see a long term review from you of the Inov-8 TrailFly Ultra G 300 Max. For me it had become a favorite and I now run two pair in parallel. But have noticed that the inside is starting to come apart on the older ones (after 500k). The rest of the shoe still performs perfect
My honest review: Sole is too soft I twisted my ankle 3 times on one run, unless you use those on non technical trails, otherwise that’s not a good shoe at all. As you can see I have 8 Saucony I think those are quite bad.. sorry but am not happy at all to buy at a premium price and not getting value for money Reply from Saucony Canada: Our team has carefully read your review, and although it did not meet all of our website guidelines, we appreciate the thought and time that went into it.
Great review, I decided to pick up a pair after watching. I am running on mostly soft trails so hopefully will not have the problems with the midsole deteriorating. I would have passed on the Pink but luckily we have a couple more colours to choose from here in 🇨🇦. Got some nice black ones :)
@@ashtech2000 Yes, I use them occasionally when on flatter less technical trails as they are a bit unstable with the very narrow outsole. But they are really good for those flatter smoother trails.
@@MonteComeau that’s great thanks for the advice They have been heavily reduced in price and with a holiday weekend there a extra discount with a shop in uk I’ve ordered a pair see how they go as the trails our club race on are normally from grass to compact mud gravel paths so should be better than the exodus ultras I’m using at the moment 👍
I was tempted to buy a pair but I think I'd end up so worried about damaging them that I'd just keep them for races, a bit like I have with my Vaporfly. Given that I only race a few times a year that makes them a very expensive investment to just sit in a box in my garage. Perhaps I'll wait a while to see if durability is raised as an issue by others. Plus there seems to be lots of good deals on the Tecton X at the moment...
Good morning run4adventure and all the runners. Excellent review. Here is my like. ¡¡¡¡¡SAUCONY ENDORPHIN FOR EVER!!!!. A nice weekend for everyone. ☀️🏃♂️⛰
Loving the new studio mate. 👍😂 You mentioned the Salomon Pulsar Trail Pro as an alternative, even though it's not a carbon plate, it does seem very similar. Having run in both, which would you say is the better all round package?
Nice one mate. You saved me £200. I was going to purchase a pair to review on my channel but as I am a heel striker, this shoe would not work for me. I'll save my money for another shoe.
Lloyd, you need to talk to Jon Albon, you may have missed something with the TNF Flight Vectic, maybe you should reconsider that one because it isn't slowing him down at all. Good luck!
Had a pair for well over 100miles now and they have been greatly durable. My only issue is stability if I don't have the shoe on lockdown. Lots of other shoes like speegoats I'll wear a little looser for comfort but find these to be on the verge of an ankle roll if not pretty locked down. Overall enjoy the shoe, but I personally do not like the tread I find it slips in sand and greatly prefer the wider speedgoat style base especially if I'm tired. For stuff that isn't too steep downhill or too technical: these are great!
I think the durability depends on the terrain your running. I did one long run in the mountains of Chamonix and the rocky trails ripped chunks out of the midsole 👍
They're excellent shoes. There is no other shoe comparable in comfort, weight, and geometry. This guy got a chip in his midsole and decided to hate on them.
It is a comfortable shoe Andrew and I definitely don't hate them, I never said that in the video! 🤔 It's not just midsole durability that's a problem on rocky trails, it's also stability! I found them unstable on more technical trails and it was quite easy to go over in your ankle, I mentioned it in the review. Surely a midsole getting badly damaged after one run on technical trails is pretty bad on a shoe that's so expensive? If I'd run 3 or 4 more runs in that kind of environment I wouldn't of had much midsole left! It really depends on where you run and what the trails are like, if they're less technical then the Endorphin Edge is ok 👍
I have to use orthotics could you please say what is your feet' width in the widest point? Then it would be much easier for me to compare shoes with your recommendations for my use. Kindest regards. Thank you for your hard work.
Hi, I’m a recent subscriber and runner looking to make the transition from road marathons to trails. The content, reviews and advice are great and much appreciated sir! I’ve signed up for my first proper trail race next year, which is the North Downs Way 50 miler and was wondering what kind of shoe you would recommend for that sort of race, as I’m guessing the terrain won’t be v technical? Do you think something like the endorphin edge would work well, or even something a bit more basic like the Peg Trail 4? Any suggestions most welcome and thanks again!
Thanks for the review, been waiting for it and seeing the midsole it is kinda disappointing. They could've added a mesh like above that midsole like they have on the endorphin trail shoe to add more durability. 200 pounds for this durability, I will pass sadly...
The Edge is better in my Colorado Rockies experience than yours in France, Loyd ;-) Superior to the Hoka Speedgoat 5 except on very technical terrain. The Saucony is more comfortable for longer miles beyond 50 K. Only the Norda 001 is better all-around.
I have [checks Strava] 15 miles on my brand new pair… aaand the outsole is ripped. And they’re slippery aF! I’m not sold. …even though I’ve already bought them 🤔 Anyways… I’m excited to roll more ankles in them this weekend. ⛰ 🤙🏽
@@brianogrady9883 🤫 i love them. The midsole, the exposed foamy part, is fairly fragile and is ripped up like crazy with only about 40 miles on them, but they're a fun shoe. I'll beat them to death and love every second of it :)
Hey Loyd, how are you? Can you give me an advice please? I need to buy a light trail shoe, with a carbon plate, for a speed competition on a dirt track(hope it will be dry). I need a shoe that is as light as possible. I ended up looking at Saucony Endorphin Edge and Asics Fujispeed 2. Wich one you think is best? Thank you 🙏🏻
I read another review which said the same great shoes but a little unstable can’t say I’ve had that problem with Tecton X but durability’s poor vibram peeling away from sole and damage to the midsole after 100km although Hoka were good enough to send another pair no worries!
I ran my first off road 50k in alphaflys. The ground was so hard for the svp race they felt fine as the ground was bone dry. I was not on my feet for as long as most people.
Hi there, great video and amazing location! I’m usually a us 10 in most shoes but in the Saucony endorphin speed 2 I got it in a us 10.5. Fits perfect. Should I do the same and pick up the endorphin edge in a us 10.5? Sad to hear about its durability. Take care
I would go with a size 10. I have both (Speed 2 and Edge/also have the Pro 2). The speed by far is the narrowest/run short. The edge runs a bit long, so sizing down is best in your case. For me, the Pro fits just right.
Hi looks great shoe for a 100k race and training runs right? About wearing outsole how many km do you think will last? 300? 500? You feel de xodus ultra its too slow in comparation with the edge? Appart of xodus ultra my other possible shoe will be pulsar pro or zegama, not sure what you will recomend. Thx a a lot
I'm a big advocate of the Saucony Endorphin Speed Road shoes (2 esp) but this shoe is poor, from the upper to the ride. The sizing for my narrow feet is over by at least a half and I did actually half size down in these, the upper is far too cavenous for a part of the shoe that should be snuggly attached to your foot and no matter how tight I pull the laces I can't get that ideal lockdown, certainly not one I can fully trust. As for the ride, I understand that they're meant to be stiff but I think they're too stiff, the ride isn't as bouncy as reported imo, in fact as I am stuck with them because I completed a muddy trail race in them I was so frustrated with the stiffness that i ended up bending them from heel to toe and I heard a pop so I think Ive snapped the plate - I did the same to the other side and got the same BUT in doing so they actually ride a lot a better now - not as stiff (PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS TO YOUR PAIR!) I'll keep them as a trainer for summer trails, they dont perform well in the cold/mud.
It really depends on what type of trails you run in the winter Ben? I personally wouldn't use either of them in the winter! The Endorphin Edge lug is quite shallow and wouldn't work that well on mud. I'm not fully convinced by the rubber outsole on the Zegama, I think it's Nike's best attempt to date but it can still feel quite slippery on wet rock. Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏😊
It's definitely a comfortable shoe Jeff and I do enjoy running in them. Unfortunately the midsole durability issue just isn't good enough for a £200 pair of shoes! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
@@munkki2700 That damage was after only one run in the mountains! I'm not saying durability is bad on every terrain but on sharp rocky trails it's not good! 😔
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I have a pair arriving tomorrow -despite reading between the lines on these reviews that seem to be all over the place, I couldn’t resist getting a pair to try out. I’m like a curious child who wants to stick a fork in the toaster anyway despite parents explaining why it’s a bad idea.
Same here and I got the blue ones. Works great here in the desert.
they are really nice
how do you like them ?
@@jean-phil they are ok, good on dry smoother single track , gravel, but not my choice for anything technical or sloppy - grip is not super confident as I would like and the upper Fit has a more loose feeling overall regardless of lacing or sock type. Honestly more of a “meh” feeling for me after I’ve really put longer miles on them -
They feel quick and fun, like the road endorphins but that fun feeling is diminished by constant fear of landing wrong on something in more rough terrain as they are not forgiving and seem to react quickly with a roll in comparison to other shoes.
I have gone back to trying to determine between speed goats, caldera and now the north face enduris 2 as my new favorite no- worry, do it all trail shoe.
How many of us normal runners need all this stuff? I just read 'Born to Run' again and I think these shoes are injuries waiting to happen for most of us mere mortals. I still wear Ultra Glides, on my 2nd pair now. Soft, grippy, good fit, easy on the body, and stable. Probably clunky for elite racers, but for me...when I race 100 miles, at my age of 58...I need safely fast...and alot of speed walking. Grip and cushion, not a carbon plate! Ridiculous...IMHO.
Enjoying the VLOGs Loyd.
Nice review Lloyd! Looks very similar to Hoka Tecton X in terms of purpose, weight, plate etc
It has been incredible for me. Everything you liked in this but none of those issues. I’ve already bought a second pair and raced them in a 70k trail with varied terrain, technical and no issues
how many km or miles first pair of edge lasted for you until midsole felt dead?
I've got one 7 mile run in mine right now. Definitely enjoyed them the first time around. Got some rocky running on a 14000 ft mountain on the books out here in Colorado this weekend. Hope to test that durability. I'm concerned but still so excited for the shoe
Nice review Loyd, thanks! Your glowing review of the Xodus Ultra 2 last year had me giving Saucony a try (well first time since my high school baseball cleats - just a "few" decades ago ;) ) and I have to say you were spot on, love those shoes for the near perfect all-arounder they are, though they could use a tad more arch room (traded out the very thick insert to remedy). Speaking of my more competitive sporting days gone by, with the accumulated leg injuries, I've decided to give these Endorphin Edge carbons a try for the promised comfort and spring during the longer distance flat trail runs. My ankles aren't great, so I'll park them when I venture into more technical single track fun! 🍻
After about a month with these, have to say, they are scary. First of all they are very wide at the front, but very narrow at the heel. Bizarre. Every trail shoe I currently use (ASICS Trabuco Max 1, Trabuco 11, Trabuco Lite 2, Salomon Pulsar, Saucony Xodus Ultra 2) run at least a half size small, but these Endorphin Edges run larger than true, but feel even bigger because of the wide toe box. I have to premise by saying that I am under pronated, so with the narrow heel and soft cushion, these shoes roll over on me very easily. I’m almost afraid to walk with them in my hilly back yard, where I feel I have to focus declining for goodness sake. I can’t remember ever having an athletic shoe with such a heel platform, especially a running road or trail shoe? Icing on the cake, the upper material is so thin and pliable/flimsy, I’m getting little support from the material (like water shoes, dare I say I have thicker winter socks) to help compensate for the wideness. As much as I like the Xodus Ultra 2’s (after using thinner inserts for the low arch design), these Endorphin Edges are very disappointing to me. It’ll be the rare occasion I wear these, perhaps for walking or treadmill duty. Shame for this price point.
How does this compare to the Hoka Tecton X?
Runs lighter in my view. The Tectonic X is more stable on rocks and exposed stone, but for more buffed terrain the Hoka lacks pop and feels bottom-heavy. I really like the Edge; it rivals the Speedland PDX and I will use for my next 50-miler.
I love and respect such an honest rewind!
I would like to see a long term review from you of the Inov-8 TrailFly Ultra G 300 Max. For me it had become a favorite and I now run two pair in parallel. But have noticed that the inside is starting to come apart on the older ones (after 500k). The rest of the shoe still performs perfect
My honest review:
Sole is too soft I twisted my ankle 3 times on one run, unless you use those on non technical trails, otherwise that’s not a good shoe at all. As you can see I have 8 Saucony I think those are quite bad.. sorry but am not happy at all to buy at a premium price and not getting value for money
Reply from Saucony Canada: Our team has carefully read your review, and although it did not meet all of our website guidelines, we appreciate the thought and time that went into it.
Great review, I decided to pick up a pair after watching. I am running on mostly soft trails so hopefully will not have the problems with the midsole deteriorating. I would have passed on the Pink but luckily we have a couple more colours to choose from here in 🇨🇦. Got some nice black ones :)
Are you still running in these shoes and how are they in the end
@@ashtech2000 Yes, I use them occasionally when on flatter less technical trails as they are a bit unstable with the very narrow outsole. But they are really good for those flatter smoother trails.
@@MonteComeau that’s great thanks for the advice
They have been heavily reduced in price and with a holiday weekend there a extra discount with a shop in uk I’ve ordered a pair see how they go as the trails our club race on are normally from grass to compact mud gravel paths so should be better than the exodus ultras I’m using at the moment 👍
I’d love to see how this shoe stacks up to the hoka tecton x. Great reviews loyd and epic scenery!
I was tempted to buy a pair but I think I'd end up so worried about damaging them that I'd just keep them for races, a bit like I have with my Vaporfly. Given that I only race a few times a year that makes them a very expensive investment to just sit in a box in my garage. Perhaps I'll wait a while to see if durability is raised as an issue by others. Plus there seems to be lots of good deals on the Tecton X at the moment...
I hear you on the plate in a trail runner, however, now I'm curious to see how it would feel lol! Great review!
Good morning run4adventure and all the runners. Excellent review. Here is my like. ¡¡¡¡¡SAUCONY ENDORPHIN FOR EVER!!!!. A nice weekend for everyone. ☀️🏃♂️⛰
Loving the new studio mate. 👍😂
You mentioned the Salomon Pulsar Trail Pro as an alternative, even though it's not a carbon plate, it does seem very similar. Having run in both, which would you say is the better all round package?
Great review mate 👍
Nice one mate. You saved me £200. I was going to purchase a pair to review on my channel but as I am a heel striker, this shoe would not work for me. I'll save my money for another shoe.
Hey Rob. What did you buy instead?
@@PBV722 Hey Popa, I stuck with the Saucony Xodus Ultra.
Lloyd, you need to talk to Jon Albon, you may have missed something with the TNF Flight Vectic, maybe you should reconsider that one because it isn't slowing him down at all. Good luck!
Had a pair for well over 100miles now and they have been greatly durable. My only issue is stability if I don't have the shoe on lockdown. Lots of other shoes like speegoats I'll wear a little looser for comfort but find these to be on the verge of an ankle roll if not pretty locked down. Overall enjoy the shoe, but I personally do not like the tread I find it slips in sand and greatly prefer the wider speedgoat style base especially if I'm tired. For stuff that isn't too steep downhill or too technical: these are great!
I think the durability depends on the terrain your running. I did one long run in the mountains of Chamonix and the rocky trails ripped chunks out of the midsole 👍
They're excellent shoes. There is no other shoe comparable in comfort, weight, and geometry. This guy got a chip in his midsole and decided to hate on them.
It is a comfortable shoe Andrew and I definitely don't hate them, I never said that in the video! 🤔
It's not just midsole durability that's a problem on rocky trails, it's also stability! I found them unstable on more technical trails and it was quite easy to go over in your ankle, I mentioned it in the review. Surely a midsole getting badly damaged after one run on technical trails is pretty bad on a shoe that's so expensive? If I'd run 3 or 4 more runs in that kind of environment I wouldn't of had much midsole left! It really depends on where you run and what the trails are like, if they're less technical then the Endorphin Edge is ok 👍
I have to use orthotics could you please say what is your feet' width in the widest point? Then it would be much easier for me to compare shoes with your recommendations for my use. Kindest regards. Thank you for your hard work.
Hi, I’m a recent subscriber and runner looking to make the transition from road marathons to trails. The content, reviews and advice are great and much appreciated sir! I’ve signed up for my first proper trail race next year, which is the North Downs Way 50 miler and was wondering what kind of shoe you would recommend for that sort of race, as I’m guessing the terrain won’t be v technical? Do you think something like the endorphin edge would work well, or even something a bit more basic like the Peg Trail 4? Any suggestions most welcome and thanks again!
The pull-tab on the tongue does give a layer under the laces.
I'm sceptic to the bathtub design. Doesn't look like its going to drain very well in wet conditions. For dry conditions this might be great though.
Great review
Thanks for the review, been waiting for it and seeing the midsole it is kinda disappointing. They could've added a mesh like above that midsole like they have on the endorphin trail shoe to add more durability. 200 pounds for this durability, I will pass sadly...
Im in the same boat. The lack of durability is a dealbreaker for me.
The Edge is better in my Colorado Rockies experience than yours in France, Loyd ;-) Superior to the Hoka Speedgoat 5 except on very technical terrain. The Saucony is more comfortable for longer miles beyond 50 K. Only the Norda 001 is better all-around.
I made a review of Edge, and pretty much agree with you, except on the dry feets, that's not workind for me on hot day, and I don't usually sweat
Great video. What do you think these would be like to hike in as well as run in?
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video. I think they'd be fine to hike in 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
I have [checks Strava] 15 miles on my brand new pair… aaand the outsole is ripped. And they’re slippery aF! I’m not sold. …even though I’ve already bought them 🤔 Anyways… I’m excited to roll more ankles in them this weekend. ⛰ 🤙🏽
How did you get on with them?
@@brianogrady9883 🤫 i love them. The midsole, the exposed foamy part, is fairly fragile and is ripped up like crazy with only about 40 miles on them, but they're a fun shoe. I'll beat them to death and love every second of it :)
Hey Loyd, how are you? Can you give me an advice please? I need to buy a light trail shoe, with a carbon plate, for a speed competition on a dirt track(hope it will be dry). I need a shoe that is as light as possible. I ended up looking at Saucony Endorphin Edge and Asics Fujispeed 2. Wich one you think is best? Thank you 🙏🏻
I read another review which said the same great shoes but a little unstable can’t say I’ve had that problem with Tecton X but durability’s poor vibram peeling away from sole and damage to the midsole after 100km although Hoka were good enough to send another pair no worries!
I ran my first off road 50k in alphaflys. The ground was so hard for the svp race they felt fine as the ground was bone dry. I was not on my feet for as long as most people.
Bro Im getting a pair at a discount for about 80$. Should i go for them? I have like 4 trail shoes already. But these seem pretty enticing
Hi there, great video and amazing location! I’m usually a us 10 in most shoes but in the Saucony endorphin speed 2 I got it in a us 10.5. Fits perfect. Should I do the same and pick up the endorphin edge in a us 10.5? Sad to hear about its durability. Take care
I would go with a size 10. I have both (Speed 2 and Edge/also have the Pro 2). The speed by far is the narrowest/run short. The edge runs a bit long, so sizing down is best in your case. For me, the Pro fits just right.
@@googlephone8353 thanks for the advice 🙏
Hi looks great shoe for a 100k race and training runs right? About wearing outsole how many km do you think will last? 300? 500?
You feel de xodus ultra its too slow in comparation with the edge?
Appart of xodus ultra my other possible shoe will be pulsar pro or zegama, not sure what you will recomend.
Thx a a lot
I'll give this a miss then. There are too many trail shoes which are bad in technical terrain, kind of defeats the point.
Would you choose these or xodus ultra for the serpent trail 50k?
The Xodus Ultra would be perfect for the Serpent trail 50k 👍🙂
I'm a big advocate of the Saucony Endorphin Speed Road shoes (2 esp) but this shoe is poor, from the upper to the ride. The sizing for my narrow feet is over by at least a half and I did actually half size down in these, the upper is far too cavenous for a part of the shoe that should be snuggly attached to your foot and no matter how tight I pull the laces I can't get that ideal lockdown, certainly not one I can fully trust. As for the ride, I understand that they're meant to be stiff but I think they're too stiff, the ride isn't as bouncy as reported imo, in fact as I am stuck with them because I completed a muddy trail race in them I was so frustrated with the stiffness that i ended up bending them from heel to toe and I heard a pop so I think Ive snapped the plate - I did the same to the other side and got the same BUT in doing so they actually ride a lot a better now - not as stiff (PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS TO YOUR PAIR!) I'll keep them as a trainer for summer trails, they dont perform well in the cold/mud.
Right because every shoe should fit your narrow foot, wide foot people must all just run barefoot. What an idiot
These or the zegamas for UK winter trail running?
It really depends on what type of trails you run in the winter Ben? I personally wouldn't use either of them in the winter! The Endorphin Edge lug is quite shallow and wouldn't work that well on mud. I'm not fully convinced by the rubber outsole on the Zegama, I think it's Nike's best attempt to date but it can still feel quite slippery on wet rock. Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏😊
@@Run4Adventure I’m mainly looking for a road/hard packed trail shoes. Thanks for the advice, really appreciate it. Love your videos!
@@benbranson1375 No worries Ben, really glad you're enjoying the channel 😁
Is £65 a good price for them?
£65!!! That's a crazy price for a Carbon plated trail shoe, total bargain 😲
It’s unfortunate about the durability because these shoes are super comfy.
It's definitely a comfortable shoe Jeff and I do enjoy running in them. Unfortunately the midsole durability issue just isn't good enough for a £200 pair of shoes! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
its few cracks on the side. durability is good.
@@munkki2700 That damage was after only one run in the mountains! I'm not saying durability is bad on every terrain but on sharp rocky trails it's not good! 😔
@@Run4Adventure perhaps saucony could add thin eva layer to sides like in Xodus