Will "FLEX TAPE" Make A Bow? (WILL IT BOW ep.11)
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Kinesiology Tape has to be next. Strong, sticky and stretchy with great return to original length properties.
No cos it’s called kinesiology tape here👍
@Dakota Duree Kinesiology tape is different than athletic white tape
@Dakota Duree Definitely think it would need some sort of glue.
R. F free
Damn, brother! I'm shocked you even took on that project. Flex tape just comes off to me as glorified jumbo-sized electric tape, basically something that can be used as a pretty covering for something, but not as something that can improve structural integrity. Have you tried using carbon fiber or Kevlar for the backing and something like PVC decking for the body? I think a combo like that might yield some very pleasant results.
Love the new workshop, I'd love to see you make a penobscot bow.
Here's a crazy off the wall thought. Could you use theraband as a backer?? It has lots of stretch and contraction....just a thought. Great stuff!!!
You just made me wonder if the elastic bands use for slingshots might be an option. The wide ones used for physical therapy are pretty much the same and come in varying amounts of tension to stretch.
SomeOne is a Physical Therapist here. ... You can put it on if there is another backing, as a decoration. But not so good on its own. Yes I tried.
Adhesion, longevity and susceptibility to heat/cold and determining "pre stretch" are only some of the issues and variables, the best backings have little stretch and high tensile strength.
Was wondering if bamboo flooring could work as a backing. I'll have to try it sometime.
The elastic properties of flex tape are in one direction only. Since it does not recompress itself it is only a matter of time till it is stretched out from normal use of the bow. Arguably it will never get past tillering to it's full draw and it will already be spent. As a safety material it will work and likely stop a dangerous explosion, but it won't ever provide performance either.
My thought is that Kramer uses small overlapping layers of the tape like 6 inch sections.
when a material stretches and does not return to true, that's PLASTICITY and not actually elasticity.
@@Felix.Fictus nice. There you go. And in this case a bowyer would call it "set".
There's a flex tape type product that is essentially fiberglass strip impregnated with a water activated resin compound. You have to soak it in water for a few minutes to get it activated and then apply it to what you intend to repair. It is market as a quick "permanent" repair for tool handles and plumbing. It only has like a 5 or 10 minute working time once fully activated so you'd have to put it on the unfinished stave pretty soon in the process, but I imagine it would still be done in roughly the same time frame that you applied the flex tape in this video. When I saw the title for this video I thought that was what you would be using, as I, myself, have often theorized that stuff would probably make a great bow backing material. I have used it to make the very types of plumbing repairs it is advertised for. In the adds they would show it being used to repair an 8 or 10 pound sledge hammer handle and then using the hammer, or an axe handle and then cutting wood with axe. It's strong stuff! The obstacle I always feared with it, would be that perhaps that strength would make it too stiff to make a proper bow backing. It's made by the same company as the stuff you use in this video but I can't for the life of me remember the exact name of the product. Maybe they don't make it anymore and what you used here is the new version of the product I am talking about. I don't know. If you see this comment, and if you can find the stuff I am referring to, perhaps you could try again with something less stretchy.
Muffler repair tape I got some at Autozone
Apply the flex tape perpendicular to the way it was applied in this video. If it is mostly flexible one way, it may add the strength and flexibility of need to be a good backer. It will just take much longer to apply, with it being multiple small pieces layered in just right.
Failure only happens when you quit. I enjoy your videos, I am currently working on a small business start up as a mobile knife and tool sharpener. And I have learned sooooo much from my set backs and challenges this last few months and the biggest lesson so far is.... Failure only happens when you quit !
Keep posting and ill keep watching!
Cactus Jack: Watching you tiller a bow on your tillering rig I wondered how you judge the flex of each arm. It looks like it is somewhat subjective as in ‘by eye’. Do you think a series of horizontal lines drawn on the wall out past the tips of the bows would give you a better measure of the relative flex of one arm compared to the other?
KRAMER! I have a million dollar ideal! .... if I was able to do YT I would totally do this series... BOW RESURRECTION ! FROM THE GRAVEEEE.... taking broken bows and restoring them to new life. By any way, like gluing the limbs/new backing/ transforming into take down hybrid, etc. sooo many endless ways and ideals! I really hope you take this ideal and turn it into your own. Absolutely All Love. Lawrence.
I wrote something special behind this but soon as I went to hit send I hit the back button on the mouse lol
You could not have matched better music to the video bro you nailed this video for sure
Honestly, was kinda fiending for a new video, and this was definitely worth the wait! Just because something doesn't work like it was hoped doesn't make the video any less enjoyable.
Damn right Dude.
this is underrated
You should do a bed linner backed bow.
Flex Tape, a marginal product at a premium price. It stretches, then does not spring back, rendering it useless for a backer and probably most applications where strength is needed. A Gaffers tape would work better (heavy duty duct tape). Not a lot of stretch, therefore better to assist the wood. Fiberglass packing tape has about a 1200 lb rating for strength, that would be nearly ideal. As it's not UV resistant, it'll need some shielding. FYI, anything from Flex company or from Gorilla company are more hype than results. Lots of tests by RUclipsrs show that. Project Farm being one of the most extensive testing sites.
Im pretty sure he’s made a lot more bows 😂
i think that the flex tape in general is not a good backing. it stretches and that's great, but it doesn't return back to its pre-stretch length. so over time it will just stretches out.
nice shot!
Hi, i am from Serbia and i have been following you on yt ever since you posted first will it bow video, and i am a big fan ever since. Your videos were different from any other videos i have watched at that time. Every video about bow making was the same but yours were different, you used some other materials and you were not afraid to try something different, something new and unusual. And I admire you for that. And i have an idea, or rather i have something new for you to try, a material that i think will work as a bow backing...maybe 😄
The material is pertinax or fr3 or fr4, its a material used for circuit board. Its a material made from resin and glas fibers just like fiberglass. So maybe for your next will it bow, you can try this one.
I wish you all the best and just keep going frend. 😉
One day I'm going to make a bow, and it will be awesome.
Mark my words.
I admire your determination even thou the bow snapped you still gave a lot of lessons👍
Just been watching your now building skills for a while 👍 Have you ever tried a layer of fiberglass tape under the rawhide for extra strength but the look of rawhide ?would it work .?
I enjoy the work u put in. Greatness
I learn more from than other bowers thank you
You should have your own Brand Kramer, "Kramer Ammons' Ammonian-style Bows from the lands of the Ammons" 😎
Stretchy is the opposite of what you want in a backing
I noticed in the duck tape video you used multiple layers of tape and you heated it with the heat gun. I feel as if heating the flex tape with the heat gun would cause it to shrink and maybe pull tighter into the bow.
I do love your work. Thanks
You'll have that. Lol, very nice video!!
Try using Flex Seel instead of Flex tape. It might take longer but several coatings of Flex Seal should be a lot stronger than Flex Tape.
Flex seal also resists stretching from multiple directions, making it act more like a glue.
Try a Fiberfix repair wrap for a backing. It's kinda like the material used to make a cast for broken bones.
Rounding the edges helps stop the edges from splintering. A square edge will splinter
This is how we learn. Does your bow quiver affect the bows tiller? Or does the foam allow for flexion.
Flex tape is designed to strech to bind/seal. Im experimenting with flex tap to seal a horse bow im building on the riser and tips. All glued up, will see soon if it holds up🤞
I’ve bee in watching your videos for two years and had no idea you were in Colorado Springs! Live in the same town! Would love to buy a bow you’ve made!
Rayon/nylon or similar fibers pulled from the back side weave of scrap carpet remnants found at some curb. Pull that straight and glue it in line with the length of the bow, and then flex tape over that. Flex tape may have some property nice as a covering or wrap, but too much stretch on its own.
Sneaky hidden cut at 0:30?
When he moves across the camera frame he divides the frame with his body vertically, then moves his body across the entire frame right to left. This would be a very easy cut to transition from the shot he took and the final successful trick shot where he hits the ring. There even appears to be some artifacting left of the target that may be left over from this process. This is a technique often used in film. I could be wrong and he legitimately did that shot in one take bit I doubt it.
Can you make video on how to finish the bow handle
Hey Kramer,
maybe some thoughts on your video, that might help to understand, what is happening from a technical/mechanical point of view.
Just ignore if you already know these things ;-)
I just saw the beginning of the video and i was 99% sure this will be an attempt that fails.
From a mechanical point of view you don't want any plastic yield/plastic deformation on that backing.
And this tape seems to be nearly just plastic deformation and no elasticity. So this backing would have a very small effect to the strength of the bow anyways. (Since the deformation-energy is transformed into plastic deformation and will not be transformed into kinetic energy of the arrow)
I think the main reason for some attemps to fail (not only this one) on this series is, that the distribution of stress in the cross-section of the bending arms is not ideal like with the ones with bamboo backing. The IPE wood is good for compression stress and the bamboo is perfect for tension stress. Since these bows are about 50/50 in width-percentage the stress is distributed perfectly and the glue layer in the middle gets nearly no stress - since there is a zero-crossing of the stress-curve. So at this series the backing of the bows is mostly very thin. So the IPE gets not only compression but also tension stress and will break or splinter at the "surface" which is glued on the backing.
I guess the backing material should simply stand alot of elongation + has about the same resistance to elongation stress as the IPE has to cpmpression + and also has about the same width in the cross-section. So if you want to use some tape for the backing maybe something like "MECRON Elastic Tape", pvc tape or silikon tape which is made out of strong elastomer (not sure how those would be glued since elastomer is not so easy to glue) i guess and then put alot of layers to get to the same width as the IPE.
I hope this helped - keep up the nice craftsmanship :-)
all the best,
Simon
I think he knows it's a terrible idea, he just wants the views from the "flex tape bow" title... I wish he would try things that could actually work and are interesting ideas other than something trendy.
I don't think so :-)
I think he is trying weird stuff that maybe has not been done before, without paying alot attention to technical details. But Kramer knows best why he is chosing what material. Anyways, his creative ideas especially the one with the glass fibre tape thing made me build my own bow! And that is great ;-)
Maybe try the fluid variant, Flex seal? You spray it on has same properties and you can add layers ontop if needed.
The reason you use drywall tape is that it doesn't stretch. If flextape had 'worked' then it would just have been a testament to KA being able to construct an unbacked IPA bow.
I was thinking the same thing. I thought it might work because of the name. But when he showed how the tape worked, I thought it would never work as backing. If he managed to get a string on, it would only be a matter of time before it would fail.
Great video! Yes, please try multiple layers.
Omg! I would totally paint your box. I'm just not in Colorado Springs 😢
hey sometime give us a full tour of your shop equipment product projects all the good stuff looks like you've grown quite a bit in the last year and a half Good job man
Thank you soo much for the top 10 bow review. I just got my SAS Maverick strung it up and shoots great. Just ordered a bow stringer (did some damage to my shins and inner thigh black and blue). About as happy as a kid when I got a Nintendo for Christmas lol.
6:10 Because it deforms plastically so easily, I bet it's probably not going to do much to help the bow.
This is really inspiring. Thank you for it❤✌
I think you should make some more videos using it and start using some different woods also
To show the power of this boat, I sawed flex tape in half
Love the intro m8!
Ah, that's why there wasn't an upload in a few weeks, the trick shot took some time ;)
Just kidding, glad to see another WIB
@Darkness I worship spiders, not humans.
Anything else to say?
Heck is going on with this darkness guy
@@whoami1449 just remembered who you're talking about, must've blocked them lol
@@bl4cksp1d3r looking at his recent comments, i guess i am blocking him too just in case.
love the editing
Oh an you rock bro awesome bows grate attitude
Maybe it's a possibility to pre-stretch the flextape, so that it will pull stronger as a backing!?
Yeah I'd like to see you try again with flex tape multiple layers and where you clamped it should have probably been replaced
Just amazing content and a genuine guy...m
I was just browsing the garden section at my local store for stuff for my bonsai garden and bird feeders when I saw hardwood garden stakes some as long as 6 foot. They are the right kind of wood already have some of the right features and shape to them, but they are a bit thin for a bow. My question for you is, will they bow?
I love the new flare in your editing lately. You're recent videos are great!
I had a cool idea for will it bow, Try making jean backing for a bow but one is regular jeans and the other is the wrangler flexible jeans. See if the flexible jean will shoot a heavy arrow faster.
You ever get that board painted?
I'm up in the Denver area building my first bow now thanks to you!
Ok so a little bit of an odd thing to ask but after watching the little side tangent about making videos and breaking bows I had a thought for a potential video idea. Idk if you've already done this but instead of making a bow could you take a bow that has already broken fix it. Basically it'd be like Will it Bow comeback edition
Have you tried P.E.T. made from old plastic bottles. It seems to me that it would be perfect to bond wood to horn material!!!!
Try more flextape! I'd like to see!
I would love to see if you would be able to use either flex tape or some other stretchy materials similar and pine or eastern Canadian Birch
Could you make a bow with Pistachio shells limbs ? Pistachio shells are extremely hard, my dream is: soaking or boiling the shells to soften them, then press them flat and dry completely. then place them interlaced as good as you can in a limb mold with epoxy, then compress all that to remove as much as you can of excess epoxy, then set that mold in your heat oven.
Next challenge - PLYWOOD, will it bow?
If phil swift can saw his boat in half, this can definitely work
Now that's a lot of damage!
Kramer, 1st, I love your videos. They are so much fun. But if will it bow wants to be serious (a little more not a lot as the fun would dissappear), then you need to introduce a bit of enginerding. Kinda like Mark Rober but without being so pretentious lol. The two things to consider when looking for good bow materials are elasticity and ultimate tensile strength. In other words, how good is the material at snapping back into its original shape and how far can you bend it before it breaks. If you use these two concepts when selecting materials, then the world's your oyster!
I'm sure he realizes that, but "will it bow" is also about taking viewer suggestions and seeing what can be done with them, regardless of whether he knows/thinks he knows the outcomes.
Not gonna lie guys I'm expecting him to say hellow guys today I'm going to show you the power of flex tape, to show the power flex tape I saw this bow in half and repaired it with only flex tape.
I got my first bow which was a PSA from x54 October the 3rd my birthday is tonight I've been shooting almost every day for a year now because my limbs are bent all the hell I ordered me from a 20 to 45 it's not really big it's a the Tidewe 45 lb recurve bow and I get six arrows with it for $99 it was actually a hundred and almost 150 after tax but for some reason I got to 45 lb for $99 and I'm home around budget so I had to have some arrows with it but same dude online very accurate but I can tell it in the last year I shoot you not Kramer I still got the string I ordered last November from you and it is still shooting strong every damn day but you know that means New bow new string. I just want to thank you because you do well above and beyond and you're a real asset to the archery community and like I said you changed my life that day I watched the $109 recurve bow is it worth it 🥳🏹🎯🦶🐴
its a shame it broke but it was informative, you probably should have bound it in tap like u would with sinew, maybe try gluing a fibreglass or PVc strip on first to reinforce limb then wrap it in the fibre glass impregnated flex tape(for hot surfaces like mufflers) from middle out and overlap it 50/50 or more for stress areas on lams? it will probably need to be lacquered with glue also like sinew
Awesome! 😀
Have you thought about trying shrink wrap
Use the entire Flex Seal Family of Products! They even work under wodder!
Great soundtrack on this one! Sounds like a John Carpenter film.
Hey Kramer. I think a cool video would be to see if you could make a 25# PSE Snake Bow have more draw weight and arrow speed through means like piking and backing. Just an idea. Keep up the great work.
Could you pre- stretch the stretch tape?
make a video of how to make a wooden knife
I know its probably a little late but theres this bow on amazon i really like and i think you should review it if you can
What about trying some sort of elastic band? Stretch it tight and glue it down, could add some serious strength to the draw weight
Where you at in CSP?
Is there any chance u can make a video of making a recurve board bow ?
Whats the math, requirements, science behind the right backing material?
Never would suggest that stuff or any other tape on their own. Maybe if it's breathable you can glue on, but adhesion while stretching for a tape is a large ask.
Just wondering if you might try flex glue for building a bow
Inspired from you bowstring material test, you should try making a bow with paracord as the backing :D
Can you review a slingbow? Like the hammer from simple shot
Hey I want to make a 35lb wood bow and wanted to know what changes can be made to get it to that preferred poundage and if you could make a video about it haven't found any videos to make a bow with that low of a poundage thanks in advance
I wonder if the flex seal that you paint on, or even the spray on kind, which are a but more ridged and elastic when they cure, might work better than the tape. The tapes thing is stickiness, the seals gimmick is that it's more rubbery.
Well there's 15 minutes and 23 seconds of my life I won't get back!
Can you use a masonry ruler (the metal ones) for a bow?
Hi Kramer, nice job I just subscribed I am really enjoying your work.
Could you do a video on Comanche bow?
How about Turkish or Mongolian horse bows?
Thanks and keep up the great work!
I don't think rawhide works for Ipe because it's not thick enough to move the tension plane away from the back of the Ipe. Backing with bamboo is thick enough to move the Ipe back into more of a neutral plane, so the wood is doing mostly compression.
And, after watching this video, the same is true for the tape. Lol
Maybe try the flex seal paste in a can. I have to remove this from homeowner roof fixes all the time and it is tough stuff even though it's a terrible roof sealer
Hey man, unrelated to the video, but I just got my bow in the mail and there’s a very small chip on the top of the bow. Is there a way I can make or buy metal caps to protect the ends of my bow? Thank you for all you do for us that weren’t taught as kids!
My question is if you are able to make a bow from a PVC plank like you are able to do with certain forms of PVC pipe.
What if you cut squares of the Flex Tape and rotated and over lapped it a whole bunch?
I know you've done fiberglass before but what about the fiberglass landscape edging? I tried it on a small bow (first bow attempt after watching one of your videos) out of a 2x4 but my epoxy didn't hold and it delaminated. Probably because I epoxied the side I didn't sand. Haven't had the chance to make a second attempt. I have a feeling it would work pretty well if it's not too thick.
Hey Kramer - solid attempt... Well done! I wonder... does the flex tape flex across the width as well as the length? Perhaps layering lengthwise, sideways then laterally again... ? might be worth a shot...
Damn I used to watch you back in 2018