healer difficulty is 100% dependent on how good the other players are. it can be the hardest or the easiest depending on the group. Is your group stopping casts? Is your group using defensives?
Was telling my buddy this exact thing. I did a +15 and it was smooth and easy. The very next key I helped a guildie (who apparently is a potato) do a +11 and I was sweating the entire time because of how much unnecessary damage the potato crew was taking lol
@C J B tank doesnt matter ☠☠☠ Change your prot warri with 3k rio and 10 years of game exp with fresh bear tank who got lost even with a map open, imma watch how you carry the key.
One thing about healer is that you don't really get to choose when you greed casts. Sometimes you're just in a situation where if you don't someone's gonna die. A DPS can usually opt-out of some uptime just to make sure they don't die or hold a CD for an easier part of the fight with minimal losses but healers often don't get that luxury, the content decides for them when they need to do their output.
One thing to consider too is that healers have to make a lot of split second decisions. Like “oh the group just all got hit for 80% of their health, I need to move right now to avoid dying, and this dps has a debuff on them that is about to finish them off if they don’t get healed immediately.” So you have to be aware of things like that that are happening even to other people pretty regularly while still dealing with the same mechanics as everyone else
@@orkhammer3050 I agree. On higher levels you should know this. But there is always a big rng component that comes from the other players. People dont use defensivs, dont dodge frontal and such things. Not on purpose or cause they are bad players, just because we are all human and we do make mistakes. Other roles dont have to handle these mistakes of the other grp members as much as healers do.
I've done a pretty healthy mix of tanking, melee DPS, and healing in m+ since it was added to the game (with a bit of ranged DPS but much less than the other three), and am currently maining healing. I think the problem with these discussions is that players tend to conflate the stress of playing certain roles with the difficulty. DPSing on my rogue while dodging 500 swirly mechanics and trying to maximize my DPS as much as possible while also hitting every priority interrupt and stun is more difficult on most runs in terms of execution, but I generally end every key as my Preservation Evoker significantly more stressed. The higher the keys we're pushing, every affix combo in Dragonflight just feels bad on a healer right now (to me) and that sense of constant stress makes healer feel much harder to play, even if it is technically not.
Bro people were saying that shadowlands healing was super easy that's why blizzard made it more difficult in dragonflight I've always played a tank, I have to know all the routes pulls and if dps pulls adds I have to adjust to it. But I believe healing is the most difficult to do, especially in pugs
How is it not difficult to maintain the necessary hps to keep the party up while dodging the same swirls? You're stressed because it's difficult. Lol. Idk WHY you want to tell yourself melee dps is more difficult than healing, but it's not. The stress levels reflect that. Easier tasks don't stress you out more. "I don't stress nearly as much but it's so much more difficult" LMFAO.
@@wolverinesfan9021 No one said it's not difficult, but there are scales of difficulty. On both characters I have to dodge the endless army of swirlies, keep an eye open for priority interrupts, think about positioning etc. However, on my healer (Evoker), the decision of which key to press is a bit simpler. Similar to a point made in the video, the decisions on what to hit next on DPS -- if you're pushing to maximize DPS as much as possible -- has a lot more variables. I need to be thinking about how many mobs are still up, how long I think the pack will still be alive (to depend on if certain CDs are worth using or if there's value in refreshing a debuff), tracking procs, making sure certain buffs / debuffs have enough time remaining before I use certain CDs, etc. Easier tasks can absolutely stress you out more. Knowing which ability I need to hit next is easier on my Evoker -- but it's also more stressful because a mistake is more likely to lead to a death or a wipe, where a single wrong button press on DPS just means the pack lives 1-2 seconds longer.
@JStymie It is not simpler to decide which button to press on the Evoker lol. You are responsible for the whole party and the evoker tool kit allows for you to get pretty creative with combos and which cd's to utilize and when. Whereas on a melee dps in that situation you aren't concerned about or responsible for the whole party + yourself- It is inherently easier and it's not even a discussion. Don't stand in shit, whack mob. Omg how difficult.
As someone who has only played dps classes; I feel like dps are at the bottom of the hierarchy, there is a lot of them out there and it's pretty easy to find one. Sure it sucks when you have an awful dps that never kicks or uses utility and still does like 20k dps overall, but there's still the potential for your group to carry them through a boss encounter/time a mythic+. If your tank/healer is awful its almost impossible to succeed.
I got your point, but the thing is: DPS shouldnt be carried, they carry the group to time it. If its just a low dps, you wont time it but its "fine", but taking unnecessary dmg forces the healer to make up A LOT MORE,which is risky. Im a healer and also was a DPS, so I can assure you that DPS life is way easier, but you have the pressure to do the best damage that your gear/class provides. thats a DPS job, no excuses. it becomes way harder when the key level increases, ofc, but its for everyone
Healer for sure, its a constant rollercoaster and the difficulty is dependant purely on the rest of your group, if they dodge bad stuff and use their personals properly or even interrupting.
Healer by far easiest role xD yeah it’s dependent on your dps to not die but that has nothing to do with how hard your role is. Imo it’s tank then dps then healer
@@jacobmitchell9227 I think it depends. Tank is easy in terms of mechanics but hard in knowledge. DPS is hard in mechanics but easy in terms of following a script. Healer is easy in mechanics but hard in terms of when to use your CDS. But all this depends on what class you're playing too
@@dodo5257-v3f Agreed, seems futile to compare these in general when there's so many more parameters, like high or low M+, PUG or grp in voice, which affixes, or the basic question what being hard even means - just doing the bare minimum, carrying your weight or helping the group excel? I think most of you have experienced that you can do way more dps if the tank pulls consistently and "correctly", so you can plan ahead. Or that a healer that doesn't have to heal avoidable voidzone dmg all the time can help out with dps, interrupts, stuns and dispels much better. And do you remember when bursting used to do dmg by hp percentage, and those supposedly easy low keys with a pug where a nightmare for healers? I do -_-
@@jacobmitchell9227 lol I had had friends say this and then heal and they never said healer is the easier role again, tank is know routes and cds usage, dps is just dodging shit, doing mechanics and doing the same rotation over and over, healer is heavily dynamic key by key, knowing routes, when to use cds, its bascially the combination of every role since you had to do dps etc as well, and especially this xpac there there is unavoidable damage coming from everything. 1 good dps can carry the other dps through a key, cant carry a tank or healer. not this xpac
@@jacobmitchell9227 Easiest roll? Wanna come for a 20 Ruby this week? If you think its by far the easiest roll, you havent played much WoW. Or healer AT ALL.
In Shadowlands i played as tank, but now i playing as healer(also tried a tank few times). In my opinion - healer is much harder, especially with pugs. It is very upsetting, when in 16 keys people didn't know how to do mechanics and die like in 2-6 keys. I tired talking them how to do this, because they are usualy ignore my advices.
Totally agree. Running a +16 key you should know what to do. Doesnt mean error cant occur but you basically know how to run the dungeon. And yes... people most of the time dont even accept your advice... They rather just quit and mess up someones key before acknowledge that they dont know the mechanic...
the DPS sky is the limit take is flawed. Yes you can always push out more damage as a dps, but that very same statement holds true for healers and tanks in raids, but especially in m+ where every smidgen of damage matters in high keys a healer who does not know the encounters well will not be able to use their gcds on damage optimally because they are constantly scrambling to heal. The same thing goes for a tank who does not use their defensives and mitigation optimally, they will be scrambling and unable to use their gcds properly for damage. SO, you have the same goal as the dps along with your other abilities. As someone who plays all 3, dps is by far the easiest and people who say figuring out a rotation and squeezing every bit out is so difficult o_O wtf are you on about? all you have to do is open MDT once or twice, figure out which packs you are gonna need to spend your damage cds on, and then do that. If you have issues with your rotation, you may just be a lost cause. All your perceived difficulties are the same difficulties the tank and healer face on top of their other responsibilities. People who say they have to dodge swirlies, push their buttons at the right time and interrupt mobs. Guess what, tank does all of those too, healers generally do too! The only dps that require any kind of planning and real knowledge of the encounters are hard casters, because you need to know when you're gonna have to move and thus won't be able to plant and cast. melee dps circle the mob while doing damage the whole time. Hunters are basically ranged melee as they can just run and pewpew from a mile away (it's not a coincidence this class is a magnet for the worst players on the planet, it is the least punishing) For what is the actual most difficult role to play (in m+ at least) I think it's a toss up between tank and healer for different reasons. If the group is really uncoordinated and literally taking a ton of avoidable damage to the face you're gonna struggle bus as a healer (especially pro active healer specs) and you'll add no damage as you constantly top players. If you're a tank in a really uncoordinated group you're gonna have to constantly keep your head on a swivel ready to pickup whatever is being butt pulled, and on the prep side of things you're gonna have to know the mob counts well if you know people are gonna butt pull so you can drop and add to the route as is required to not go over or under massively. The sheer representation of dps illustrates this point most adequately. Lowest responsibility role. If your dps is crap and you keep dying, you'll deplete the key but still complete it. If your healer or tank is crap you're never even making it to the end of the dungeon.
The thing is: everything a dd does is also expected from tanks and healers albeit to a lesser degree when it comes to dps. Tanks and healers have additional tasks in a dungeon and they do not share those among two other group members like dds do. Or to put it into an example: I have timed keys that had one dd do tank damage throughout the dungeon but I have never timed one where tank or healer did f up at every pull. M+ on high keys is meant to be difficult, so everyone struggles and in the end the group needs to work as a team because if you don't play according to what your group members do, no one wins.
Very good assessment of each role and I agree. I have told people for years part of the reason I love playing a healer main is that I'm either sipping my coffee and relaxing through the content so to speak because it's going so well OR I'm smashing my hotkeys and sweating bullets because it's pure chaos and random events every moment where the group lives or dies by my decision on what spell/ability to use my next global on. Sometimes it's hard because the DPS aren't performing as well other times it's hard because of the nature of the encounter or the affixes or dungeon, etc. But the bottom line through all of this content whether M+ or raid is that my job gets easier the better the DPS are doing their job.
I've done tanking and dps. Healing stresses me out too much. Even when dps is dumb and dies or the tank is not good, I feel responsible. As a tank in m+ it's also stressful but if you're prepared and you know mechanics, it helps a lot because you're leading the way and more in control. Raid tanking seemed very easy - for most bosses it's a swap and one or two other mechanics. All the tougher mechanics are for dps and healers. DPS can be stressful too. There are moments you have to decide between riskier and safer play, when to use a global for a kick, when to pop a defensive, off-heal or decurse etc. Ideally, you can do all the above, and maybe it's my skill level but I find myself having to make little decisions like that constantly. It's embarrassing to die but we all want to top meters.
Part of the reason why my favorite tank to play is prot Paladin. The amount of DPS that I've saved throwing word of glories on the people made fight just to take some stress off the healer. I was a healer in all content since Vanilla. If I can do anything to help, it's baked into my brain 😂
Raid tanking is boring as fuck! I tank in mythics as a blood DK as I can rely on myself to heal. But I dpa in raids because I don't want to "swap at 2 stacks"
As a tank, I agree with the rankings. IMHO the healer has the hardest job and more things to do. I don't know how many times I am in a mythic dungeon and not one of the DPS can interrupt anything. They seem to only care if they are the top DPS and don't want to do anything to help that interferes with that DPS. Not all DPS are like that but many many are.
Healer in a great group is pretty easy. Healer in an ok to bad group is insanely stressful. You're managing everyone's CDs, you're probably doing mechanics, you're managing your mana bar constantly. Decision making and panic saving the group can be difficult and things happen pretty quickly.
If a tank misses a defensive, they could just die. If a healer messes up someone else could just die. I'd say that's far more difficult to deal with than just doing less damage. I don't really agree with the sentiment that DPS have some infinite ceiling they can climb that Tanks and Healers don't also face. Tanks/healers just also have to do all the other things they're responsible for that DPS don't have to deal with. I say this as a Feral Druid. I have a ton of extra utility that I love being able to help with, and I'm melee. I've done quite a lot of tanking in previous expansions, and dabbled in DF. It is what it is. I'm way more relaxed just DPSing than I ever have been tanking. There is far more pressure to be perfect when you're the tank than there is when you're in any other role. Everything pretty much hinges on you making wise decisions when you're the tank. Tanks are basically the foundation of the group. I think healing is on average a bit less stressful than tanking because you're not in the spotlight directly. You're kinda in the back undoing everyone elses mistakes... but it has the potential to be the most stressful when everything is going terribly and everyone is relying on you to save them.. and then you have to start making split second decisions that could easily result in everyone dying. DPS is just DPS. You show up and steal all the glory by doing big numbers. Lmao. If your DPS sucks, you just go do some sims, beat on some target dummies and figure out what you're doing wrong. You get in some practice so you're used to the mechanics and then you're good to go. It's easy by comparison imo
The hardest role by far has got to be healers. People are really bad at this game even today, and its the healers job to babysit and prevent fuckups from becoming wipes. DPS have to learn their rotation to maximize damage while also learning where are the bad places to stand. Tanks, especially now, are just meat walls that hold aggro and are expected to know routes for m+. Healers have to learn how to heal every kind of tank, know every damage spike and dispell to both the tank and the rest of the party, and their job is the only one that gets harder when other people dont know what to do.
Tank mentally is the hardest. Dps always pulling for you. It’s your route that’s criticized but people asspull stuff all the time and always wanna chime in on what they think of your route. Thankless role.
I disagree what makes an elite dps isnt squeezing that extra 1% dmg... its doing your dps and providing well time proactive support...ie fears, stuns, ring of peace..thats is what separates great dps vs good dps... same with heals watching bars vs bars, dps, support
Healers have to personally deal with all of the mistakes tanks and dps make. And those can compound. Tanks just have to keep aggro which can be done with single button skills. Healer->tank->dps generally. I understand super high keys being dps
It’s healing, at least this xpac, even if you have a great group that is on top of everything there is so much unavoidable damage still. Still having to do all the mechanics, track people’s defensives so you are ready to heal those who don’t have one. Everything is super reactionary and last second choices. Even at the highest level then it’s also on the healer to maximize their dps so much in changing around builds and stats etc when the healing is “easier”.
It took me about 3 months to do every 20+ key in S4 of Shadowlands as a Destro Lock which was regarded as a simple OP spec. Even though it was a simple spec I had a lot of min maxing to do, a lot of little tiny bits to consider in my rotation and it took quite some time to consider myself good. Then I thought - why shouldn't I try tanking? Even though it's considered hard. I leveled up my prot pally and in 2 weeks I was tanking 19-20+ keys. I was like waaaaait... WTF there is no rotation, no min maxing, no tiny bits to consider, I just pretty much push a random key to use my spender and use defensives from time to time... I was shocked how insanely easy it was. It was so easy I got bored quickly. Then I made a fire mage about a month before prepatch.... Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude I struggled for 3 months to even understand how this spec works. Spent hours on dummies every day. Now after about 5 months of playing I can say I understand this spec well and can play it well doing upwards of 97% parses on Heroic and Mythic and doing upwards of +19 keys in Dragonflight. It was 100x harder than playing a Prot Pally at any point.
@@tedhodge4830 only hard part of most tanks are knowing how few cooldowns you can get away with in certain pulls, if you overuse your CD’s they aren’t up when you need them and splat, you’re dead.
@@Dandosa1 how is it not fair? I was comparing a season 4 experience to a season 4 experience. Playing one of the most simple DPS specs was still a lot harder for me than playing random tank spec at that time. Playing Fire Mage in season 4 was absolutely, butally exhausting to me compared to both of them.
I mostly agree, except nobody dies when you don't hit a high parse on DPS. Obviously DPS still has to play well to beat enrages and kill the enemies before healer mana or tank HP runs out, but if a DPS eases off the gas, nobody's HP on their team continues to rocket towards zero, where if I decide I don't really FEEL like popping Beacon of Virtue on my Holy Paladin after everyone got chunked 70% from an AoE, I'm gonna be hearing some choice words in the chat
as someone who currently has 6 lvl 70s that are all doing there 8 m+ each week.(WW monk, MM hunter, Prot Warrior, Veng DH, Holy priest, Resto druid. Healer is definitely right up there in difficulty then tank then dps.
Imagine the people in the comments who think dps is the hardest role. You press W to follow the tanks lead. 90% of you i am convinced dont have the stun you specd for on your bar and are that guy with 3 interrupts at the end of a key. Imagine thinking the tank does not care about maximizing their damage output also while worrying about pathing, interrupts, stuns, dodging frontal like in Azure vault, moving out of floor swirlys, etc. A tank in high keys that does not time their active mitigation properly is a dead tank that no healer or dps could do anything to save. Some of these tank busters are hitting tanks for our entire hp pool with no active mitigation. Im not talking about keeping up sotr, consecrate, iron fur, bone shield, etc. Those are just maintenence mitigation buffs at this point.
For high keys, all the roles have about the same level of difficulty because each individual masters his class. However it's then on the player side and it becomes a team difficulty. Knowledge of the dungeons must be shared and coordination and timing are the most important.
I'm sorry.. did you say dps was the harder role? No one has ever believed that.. in vanilla, it was tanking in dungeons with maybe an arguement for healing. After that, until m+, it was healing. Now, with m+, I would say it's probably equal between tanking and healing.
@Izen I think the hardest is the player against themselves. That said, healing stresses people out more because players are more likely to blame you and the “survival” of the group depends on you. That said, I’ve healed a pally tank 17m on a 9+ HoV and still been blamed. Is what it is.
Changing routes mid run is a pain. I see dps and healers who have no spatial awareness and pull extra crap all the time. Dracthyr at the moment are the worst.. so many use breath and go too far.
Since healer are supposed to do damage as well these days I think it became already harder. Doesnt matter that much in lower keys but the thing that in some T-Lists you can find online the main reason a class or spec is ranked above another is the dps output feels weird for me.
I main DPS but i have and can tank "high" keys (20+) in M+ and my opinion is that Healer is either the easiest role, or the hardest it all depends on the group and the situation. The same can be said and argued for Tank. Without question DPS is the easiest role for M+. I do not raid but the hardest role in Raid is the Raid Leader... Why? Because you need to deal with brainiac players that can't deal with mechanics no matter how many tries they have without loosing your sanity and keeping your cool, even on mythic raiding level. TLDR Tank and Healer need to do what DPS do + their own responsibilities. DPS is ZUGZUG turn off brain mode.. yes even on high keys tbh, as long as u have your class on muscle memory.
Played at their maximum the most difficult role in high end Mythic+ is Healer. In high level M+ the healer is basically a dps who has the additional responsibility of healing the group. the Healer has to do their DPS rotation correctly to maximize their dps, as well as monitor healing needs, and know all mechanics of the dungeon. This video is incorrect about the healers job in high level M+, if the healer is not pumping on the dps meters, the group cannot compete in high level M+. Next is the DPS, they have to be able to execute their dps rotation while doing mechanics to do competitive dps, in high level keys the dps also needs to know the dungeon inside and out. Last is the tank, the tank needs to know a little more about the dungeon than the rest of the group, but their rotations are simple and mechanics are more forgiving.
One thing you failed to mention is that the wow playerbase is in fact 80-85% casual. Of that of course there are bads and some very good. But that cutting edge playerbase your talking about is 3-5%. So even if those specific guys you would say the dps is harder....Well...there are 80% that trump. So because of this breakdown, considering that weight..Your initial Healer/Tank/DPS is the most accurate and fair statement. In any sample you usually removed that high and low extremes to minimize variance..In this case the RWF raiders would not even be caputred. They are literally a different type of player.
the new "do dps as healer" thing is a feature you can play in elder scrolls online because players can self sustain pretty well...in wow df there are so many mechanics that people fails you can t waste global or time doing dps
but thats the challenge of the role, a good healer will and should try to do it, there is a huge dif with healers that do 5k and healers that do 40k, if they can pull that off while the result of the party not dying is the same, you pretty much found yourself a 0.1% healer
@@Poleriwi a good healer wont reach 40k healings because the team actually knows what to do...in most cases he is fixed on tanks and control adds... also with affixes like quackin thundering dps must know exactly what to do...and most people i see have no clue about what to do otherwise they die one shot no matter the healings... what you say have no sense
healer for sure. too many things that damn near 1 shot regardless of how “skilled” ur tank or dps are. some healers also play proactively rather than reactionary, which adds an additional layer of complexity.
Something not mentioned in the video is that, as a healer, I also need to keep track of when the boss will do a certain mechanic and prepare for it by prehotting (rdruid). Rest of the group just has to press one gcd defensive. Also, because of this my pre-made group relies on me to call boss mechanics/abilities, doubt they even keep track of any timing of boss mechanics.
maybe hunter as ranged, because all other ranged dps are casters, and try to keep your dps when you have to constantly avoid mechanics, + i play as frost mage, and if i use my main CD wrong, or if i ide, my dps is out for 2-3 minutes
I think in m+ all roles are rough to a certain extent. Dps gets that bad rep because of the role but they deal with all of the "never good enough mentality. As a tank i feel like my classes job isnt that hard but my personal job is. Plenty of research is needed, pathing has to be nearly perfect and you have to be a legitimately good leader for those following you. Healer is hectic because is split decisions and keeping count or at least trying to keep count of teams defensives and sometimes it really feels like it comes down to making a decision where someone cant win
I fell in love with healer once I started getting calm in situations where I was literally just deciding "I can't save all of you, so I will sacrifice one of you". At a certain point you just hit a flow state of reacting perfectly (or close to) and making split second decisions where you just "get" everything. Every health bar, every buff/debuff, every CD. Its kinda like a runner's high tbh.
I've played all three rolls, Healer >= Tank > DPS. Tanks have a lot more responsibility to plan the route and the pulls; healers have to step up to that to ensure the DPS stays alive hit the timer, and DPS has to output, and not do dumb stuff.
One thing to note is that at high levels most raid teams want to decrease the number of healers to increase overall raid DPS thereby increasing difficulty for the remaining healers. Of course no one cares but there will always be the "can you one or two heal this?" at some point. Good healers want to maximize thier performance as well and push effciencies / challanges. As someone who does healing and DPS I still say healing is more difficult. Especially at the high end as stated and at the low end where there is a lot of stupid. As we always say "you can't heal stupid" 🤣🤣🤣
It varies significantly by DPS class too. An affliction warlock managing to keep DOTS up on all of the targets while doing mechanics is a good deal more challenging than, say, a hunter doing their rotation. I've raided as a healer, tank and DPS, and squeezing out the max dps I can on my Aff lock is the hardest of them. The healer *feels* harder at times when you're wiping because you feel like you're failing to keep people alive when the reality is that until people are doing mechanics correctly, there's only so much the healers can do to mitigate that failure.
Hardest of the roles are the classes that get called the low tier. People watch the videos of people opinions of the classes then refuse to invite them to give them a chance. I have seen more people take the popular spec and do trash dps than people playing a spec that rarely gets an invite. People get it in their heads that they can only achieve KSM with specific classes and specs in their groups. I would just take anyone who is good at their class.
Healing may not be consistently the hardest role throughout the course of the dungeon, but they do have frequent moments where a party wipes or doesn't wipe within a handful of globals. Especially on healers where preparation is key to throughput, if they don't execute a handful of maybe 5-6 globals perfectly it's a bricked key. This usually happens on the order of 5-10 times per key, making it extremely swingy in terms of stress and intensity.
People are also much harder on the meters for DPS. People will say things like "you did 30k DPS when you should be hitting 35k". That doesn't happen with tank or healer.
Tank is not very straight forward. On top of knowing the route, the pulls, and the mechanics, tanks need to react and predict every possible outcome with their cds. For example as DK sometimes I hold with my snappy hands because I know next pull there are couple of hunter mobs very hard to pack with the group so I use it there to stack them together, or hold a major defensive because I see a patrol coming which may or may not get pulled by someone, being always aware of the surroundings, the damage of the mobs, knowing what to pull and when to pull, despite DPS urging you to pull more when you know those 2 mobs hit like a truck, etc.. etc.. etc… So yeah tank role it’s not just taking damage but forecast the entire dungeon.
You know that argument is for literraly everybody else in m+, adjust the cd you use to adapt to whats coming, offensively and defensively. You dont see dps and healers use all their cd on every pull because they know that theres timing to use certain things... Id argue that tanks being, well, tankier have more leniency to fail some mecanics that are one shots for anyone else
Yeah I’ve noticed as a tank main, I start to think of solutions to every scenario possible, and even start to do things to prevent those scenarios from happening, even if they might not make sense to idiot pugs.
"as a dps there is always room to do more dps" what bs, there is not always room. There is a skill ceiling aswell and saying there is always room for more dps is like saying u can do more dps if u hit ur buttons harder. Ppl at the highest level perform their rotations perfectly or near perfectly. These rotations can be harder or easyer depending on class. 1 could argue that healers fit in the same story as dps. True they can only heal as much as mobs damage us, but in downtime there is also room to maximize dps and optimize play.
As a healer, I do think that that upper limit on heals does still fall in a similar category to the upper limit of dps, but in a much lower pressure way. You have to be doing some real nonsense one way or the other in order to get anybody to comment on it, but healer dps is a significant metric to pay attention to. Especially in M+, my philosophy is "what is my max dps I can have while keeping everyone above 1 hp?" And any drop in hps doesn't really matter as long as nobody died. In that way, it frames things in a question of what can I do to keep my team up in the fewest globals possible. On rDruid, how can I make sure that my dots never drop. In disc priest, how can I plan for damage so I can just pure DPS when the damage comes in. In evoker, what are the fewest essences I can use so they all get to go to disintigrates (and I never sit at cap). So while I do agree that from the perspective of the other players, the skill cap and accolades you get in DPS has an unquestionably higher cap, and they do have plenty of non-DPS related jobs to do as well. But healers do have a similar infinite ceiling to min-maxxing their globals, just don't expect anybody to notice lol. When was the last time you heard someone say "This pog healer is cranking 20k dps. What a pumper!" But you would notice a difference if you had a healer that kept everyone alive and did 8k.
Funnily enough I actually got noticed by a group for doing good dps as a healer and still managing to keep the undergeared tank alive, and even got an invite to their guild raids for that ^^ Now as a mw I wasn't doing anything exceptional since the majority of my healing comes from doing dps, but still it felt very nice!
all roles are the same difficulty everyone needs to know trash and boss mechanics, how to deal with affixes, how to use supporting abilities to enahnce the group and how to use personal cooldowns of all kinds to clear in timely manner - dps difficulty comes from fast paced rotations and executing said rotations with mechanics in mind - tank difficulty comes from knowing layout of the dungeon to lead the pulls as efficiently as possible - healer difficulty comes from making up for mistakes the other two roles might have done, if its possible if you find healing a hard and stressful that just means your party is flat out bad, many healers who get to 20+ keys realise how easy role becomes as mistakes that were expected to be healed through previously now simply just one shots dps leaving only themselves to blame while it might be unpopular opinion i think hardest role in m+ is dps role, they are the ones that dictate how fast dungeon will be completed, the faster you kill stuff the less dangerous it is
I’ve played all 3 roles, If you group is terrible healer is the hardest, If your group is competent dps is, Because dpsing is easy, Being a good dps is hard
I see a lot of people saying healing in a good group is easy but that's where most people don't see the ceiling as a healer every spec can build for really high damage output and with a good group your goal should be to put out as much damage as you can while doing as little as you need to too keep the group alive
Imo for high level mythic+ it’s Melee dps>tank>heal>ranged dps. Melee dps has an absurd amount of punishing mechanics. Raiding I would put melee dps behind tanks and healers though.
Idk I curruently main tank & have pugged up to 2.4k rating in M+. Been main healing for the past 5-6 years & healing has never felt stressfull at all. Tanking on the other hand has put me into some tough situations. Idk
I've just switched from DPS to tank, and i love it.. i don't have to try hard as much to squeeze out max possible DPS, and i end up being a beast at stopping/cc'ing and interrupting, gripping targets to make DPS life easier etc. I went with blood dk and i really enjoy just trying to make everything easier for the group. One bad thing about it i have to say tho, i mainly pug, and sometimes i run into the issue of joining groups with 3 average at best DPS players, feels quite bad not timing a key simply because the DPS is a little on the low side.
i find the only way i have fun on the game is healing. I wouldnt call any role on this game "hard" but healing is definitely stressful. Tanking is pretty boring imo and dps feels way too repetitive.
From my own personal experience across multiple MMO's, Tanking is generally more challenging. There's calculating the risk of how many mobs can you afford to grab at one given time, how much damage can you soak before its just too much your healer can't keep up, as the tank you decide how fast a dungeon goes.
Tank is easiest unless it's sanguine healer is easy unless DPS are bad PS is easy if you're good Everything is subject to change based upon other people's place styles
I play main DPS in the current expansion and I shelved my tank/healer druid, because of how easy it is to play my BM hunter versus my bear in the current expansion and I despise how healers were changed since WotLK. That is saying, how stressful it is to heal, not how "hard" it is. This is really hard to answer for pugs as everything can change depending on your group setup. If your group sucks, you will have absolutely the worst time as a healer. But considering a moderately competent group, that knows what it is doing, you can look at it this way: Everyone has to know their class. Period. This is dependent more on the spec you are playing, than if you are a tank, healer or dps. There classes, that are easy and there are ones that are very hard to play well. On top of that, everyone has to know the boss mechanics and needed movement. As a dps, you are one of three so even if you don't play 100%, you have two other guys that have the same role. Your added responsibility is interrupts, especially as melee. You do not have to adapt much to specific situations. As a healer, you shoulnd't be bothered with interrupting, but you have to watch out for dispellable debuffs. You also have to adapt to a specific encounter a bit more than dps, because the knowledge of damage spikes can help you heal proactively instead of reactively. And this is wehre we come to tanks. They not only have to know their class and especially its mitigation cooldowns, they also need to know, which mobs do physical or magic damage, they have to know the optimal routs to take, they have to pull exactly the right amount of mobs to neither slow down too much and not to overpull, they have to know every encounter basically, or the whole instance is going to be a pain for everyone and someone ends up rage-leaving. On top on all of that, once they learned this, changes in affixes will change all of that from week to week. There is no other role, where the difference between an below average and a good player will have a bigger impact. Also consider the fackt, that even when all dps die, you can most of the time finish an encounter without an enrage mechanic. When the healer dies, the tank can often survive a part of the encounter by popping more mitigation skills and self-healing (looking at you especially DKs) ... with a dead tank on a 40% boss and no BR, you can just lie down and reset the encounter. And saying "dps is hardest because you always have room for improvement" is just silly. This goes double for healers and tanks. And an additional 5-10% dps in the damage meters is not what makes or breaks a key. If you think it is, you are deluding yourself.
As some one who started wow in shadowlands as a hunter. I now main healer and have done for the past year. I don’t think one is harder then the other. A good group is key. Of course each role has its perks. Ie. Ya k can get coughs by something as it won’t kill him. Healers can get away with not doing as much dps in some keys. And dos can get away with doing less dps when having a bad run. I have played tanks dps and healers and found healing the best imo. Suits my okay style. And in s3 I did some 22/23 on all paladin tank resto sham and a surv hunter. I think overall all roles are as hard as you make it. There’s always room for improvement and it depends on how ones play style is like. In anything less then a 22 I personally don’t care about dps. Some times I finish at 10k some times at 4K but my healing is showing more hps. If I had to pick one I would say healer would be harder. Reasons are 1- affix’s effect is more. Purging soothing dispelling. 2-some times you have 0 control over your cd’s. If some one gets hit for like 90% of their hp you have no but to use a cd. 3- yes you just follow the group healing but the expectation to do 20+ dos while healing while cc’ing while sootheing purging. And again I do main healers so of-course I would like to think my roles is harder 😂
This expansion it’s healer for sure. By a long shot. Especially pugging. Feel like whack a mole since pugs won’t do or avoid mechanics. Need some meth or cocaine to keep up I feel like lol
The argument about DPS always having room to improve their damage, whereas tanks and healers are binary jobs completely disregards that tanks and some healers can ALSO deal a significant amount of the overall damage for a key.
At higher keys, especialy in pugs, tanking is a nightmare. You have to decide the routes, give kick assignments, when to BL, when to shroud, always analyzing dps CDs for pulls etc. Its alot of work for one person to do in real time while trying to also play your own spec. Sure you get used to it, but there is no other role with this much work and responsability. Healing is for sure very close to tanking cause of just the nature of what the healers have to do.
I play several classes and specs. I have my favorites bit I don’t think I could really say which is hardest. I like to play tank classes in the open world and DPS in dungeons. But this is only because as a tank, I am only familiar with a few dungeons.
Everything about dps only applies if a DPS player has a third brain cell to understand how not to stand in one spot...or stand in pools of damage...problem is that that's 95% of dps players.
Ohh my friend, you are WRONG about the ceiling of 100, 100, 150. Healers also have to focus on squeezing out dps. A Healer adding 15k dps to the pool might be more crucial than a dps pulling an additional 5k. At the maximum level, keeping everyone alive is NOT ENOUGH as a healer and people will care. This is all while maintaining mana during an entire dungeon. Tanks also, they can survive, and know the route, but they can also do damage, and knowing how to and when to makes or breaks higher level runs. Everyone has a mountain to climb at being the best and it is ALWAYS the same mountain, doing DPS efficiently.
If tanks are using their cooldowns properly and DPS are obeying the mechanics, then healing is technically the easiest one. Tanks control the pace sure, but as long as the healer is pushing heal and the DPS doesn't pull then it's still easy street. The hardest role to actually play optimally is DPS because both healer and tank really boils down to "how does the group handle the mechanics."
At the high end, I think all three roles are very close in difficulty. However, the argument that DPS have a limitless potential where healers don't is absurd. You even mentioned it in your video, all three roles are expected to DPS. When everyone is topped and the tank isn't taking damage, they're not AFKing, they're DPS as much as they can. As a matter of fact, the healer is constantly having to juggle their DPS and Healing "rotations".
you have do differenciate ranged and melee DPS too, in terms of roles. cant say for raid since i play m+ only. but when it comes to m+ i would say this: easiest is ranged dps -> heal -> tank -> melee dps. if you just look at the affixes in m+. ranged dps have just do deal with "annoying things". and not deadly stuff. i would say heal is easier if the group is good and takes a minimum of avoidable dmg. as a melee dps you have to deal with dancing tanks, while running around and do other mechanics. (stop things, dodge things, kick things etc.)
I agree ranged dps is likely the easiest of roles but healing is much more difficult than you are being lead to believe. Healers are weaving in a dps rotation, getting interrupts and stuns just like the dps are, all well healing the party and acting preemptively to incoming damage. As others have stated healers don't have the luxury of taking a dps timeout when things get frantic if they don't get their heals out it's a wipe.
Ranged is so braindead yet they bitch and moan so much in forums and YT, its just ridiculous. They are the most to die to stupid shit, always forget they have A and D keys and then blame the healer for their idiocy.
You could have a bad healer and be ok. You could have a dps or two falling behind and be ok. But, if the tank is clueless the key is bricked. Tank is the most critical but everyone is important haha
I agree with almost everything, except the fact that DPS can be harder in some cases. In Raid i agree it can be more challenging than tank, but in Dungeons DPS can't even talk about difficulty. First because the mechanics they have to do/avoid to maximize dps are almost the same a healer needs to do and in some cases tanks. Second, if your tank sucks, u won't be able to pass the first pull without someone quitting. Third, if your healer sucks, even if u play very well, in some cases you will NEED heals or you will die. Ranged DPS is brain dead, meele DPS suffers a bit more cause needs to be aware of certain things (frontals or moving far for a while cause something is happening) and i would say tank and heals are close in terms of difficulty.
As someone who played dps before and now healer since uldir (around world rank 100/150 bracket), i think that healers skill ceiling can be pushed forward if you get one more dps in the composition instead of a healer (like 3 or 4 healers instead of 4 or 5). If you have the shoulders to do so, it is a great benefits for your guild.
Overall I think Healer is the hardest, then tank and dps being the easiest or at least most chill. But, when you are playing tank or dps you can make the healer's life way easier when you play well. You can interupt casts, dispell stuff, not stand in void zones and use your defensives. As a heal in DF I made the experience that it makes and immense difference. I heal the same keys with different groups and in one they were all getting super low or sometimes die in 2 secs. And with another group people where super easy to heal and we just went through the dungeons in no time. I always watch out for the use of interupts and depending on the key level sometimes no one is using interupts (NO ONE!). So dont blame the heal for not healing through a stacking aoe debuff. And since I record my runs I also see often times people just standing in an aoe effect... and not by accident because they do it over and over no matter how much damage they take...
I normally respect your opinion on stuff but with this im going to disagree. I have 3 dps one on 1900 rating, 2500 and 2700. Up till now its really not been that hard. Yes its not 3k rating but honestly I have done 20s now and they arent even close to the difficulty of my Disc priest. I think maybe you're talking because you're playing an evoker. Which is mechanically so much easier then some other healers (Maybe not resto druid but the rest I'd say). My resto druid sits on 2.7 rating where as I am struggling hard to get to 1.9k on my disc priest so I dont think this is a fair breakdown because some healers and indeed some tanks are so much harder then other ones. There is definitely a huge difficulty curve between the bottom Disc Priest and the bottom Evoker for example. Disc priest is enough to fry your brain while doing all the same tactics as a dps and having to make as much dps as you can because that also is your hps.
Playing a poorly designed class is hard. You keep track of every skill usage to optimize play while being aware of the mech, only found out yourself at the bottom of the dps meter regardless
Healer is the hardest. When tanks do unnecessary pulls and dps don't use defense and taking unnecessary damage. It makes us healers lives hard as hell.
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healer difficulty is 100% dependent on how good the other players are. it can be the hardest or the easiest depending on the group. Is your group stopping casts? Is your group using defensives?
And this reflect on the healer dps. I ran some DG's when i barely heal the group at all! (i'm mais tank btw)
Was telling my buddy this exact thing. I did a +15 and it was smooth and easy. The very next key I helped a guildie (who apparently is a potato) do a +11 and I was sweating the entire time because of how much unnecessary damage the potato crew was taking lol
This. New to m+ and heals, and man the variance in groups is nutty pug 12s harder than guild 15s
When it matters you still need to heal
@C J B tank doesnt matter ☠☠☠
Change your prot warri with 3k rio and 10 years of game exp with fresh bear tank who got lost even with a map open, imma watch how you carry the key.
One thing about healer is that you don't really get to choose when you greed casts. Sometimes you're just in a situation where if you don't someone's gonna die. A DPS can usually opt-out of some uptime just to make sure they don't die or hold a CD for an easier part of the fight with minimal losses but healers often don't get that luxury, the content decides for them when they need to do their output.
One thing to consider too is that healers have to make a lot of split second decisions. Like “oh the group just all got hit for 80% of their health, I need to move right now to avoid dying, and this dps has a debuff on them that is about to finish them off if they don’t get healed immediately.” So you have to be aware of things like that that are happening even to other people pretty regularly while still dealing with the same mechanics as everyone else
on a higher lvl, its not anymore a split second decision. you know when the dmg is incoming.
It still happens in higher keys. You can’t predict when someone is going to miss a kick or something. Especially if you’re pugging.
Tanks also have to make split second decisions. As a blood dk I’m a tank healer lol
@@orkhammer3050 I agree. On higher levels you should know this. But there is always a big rng component that comes from the other players. People dont use defensivs, dont dodge frontal and such things. Not on purpose or cause they are bad players, just because we are all human and we do make mistakes. Other roles dont have to handle these mistakes of the other grp members as much as healers do.
All roles make split second decisions
I've done a pretty healthy mix of tanking, melee DPS, and healing in m+ since it was added to the game (with a bit of ranged DPS but much less than the other three), and am currently maining healing. I think the problem with these discussions is that players tend to conflate the stress of playing certain roles with the difficulty. DPSing on my rogue while dodging 500 swirly mechanics and trying to maximize my DPS as much as possible while also hitting every priority interrupt and stun is more difficult on most runs in terms of execution, but I generally end every key as my Preservation Evoker significantly more stressed. The higher the keys we're pushing, every affix combo in Dragonflight just feels bad on a healer right now (to me) and that sense of constant stress makes healer feel much harder to play, even if it is technically not.
Bro people were saying that shadowlands healing was super easy that's why blizzard made it more difficult in dragonflight I've always played a tank, I have to know all the routes pulls and if dps pulls adds I have to adjust to it. But I believe healing is the most difficult to do, especially in pugs
@@joeltorres2255 Do you have data to back this up? Who was saying healing was super easy?
How is it not difficult to maintain the necessary hps to keep the party up while dodging the same swirls? You're stressed because it's difficult. Lol. Idk WHY you want to tell yourself melee dps is more difficult than healing, but it's not. The stress levels reflect that. Easier tasks don't stress you out more. "I don't stress nearly as much but it's so much more difficult" LMFAO.
@@wolverinesfan9021 No one said it's not difficult, but there are scales of difficulty. On both characters I have to dodge the endless army of swirlies, keep an eye open for priority interrupts, think about positioning etc. However, on my healer (Evoker), the decision of which key to press is a bit simpler.
Similar to a point made in the video, the decisions on what to hit next on DPS -- if you're pushing to maximize DPS as much as possible -- has a lot more variables. I need to be thinking about how many mobs are still up, how long I think the pack will still be alive (to depend on if certain CDs are worth using or if there's value in refreshing a debuff), tracking procs, making sure certain buffs / debuffs have enough time remaining before I use certain CDs, etc.
Easier tasks can absolutely stress you out more. Knowing which ability I need to hit next is easier on my Evoker -- but it's also more stressful because a mistake is more likely to lead to a death or a wipe, where a single wrong button press on DPS just means the pack lives 1-2 seconds longer.
@JStymie It is not simpler to decide which button to press on the Evoker lol. You are responsible for the whole party and the evoker tool kit allows for you to get pretty creative with combos and which cd's to utilize and when. Whereas on a melee dps in that situation you aren't concerned about or responsible for the whole party + yourself- It is inherently easier and it's not even a discussion. Don't stand in shit, whack mob. Omg how difficult.
As someone who has only played dps classes; I feel like dps are at the bottom of the hierarchy, there is a lot of them out there and it's pretty easy to find one. Sure it sucks when you have an awful dps that never kicks or uses utility and still does like 20k dps overall, but there's still the potential for your group to carry them through a boss encounter/time a mythic+. If your tank/healer is awful its almost impossible to succeed.
I got your point, but the thing is: DPS shouldnt be carried, they carry the group to time it. If its just a low dps, you wont time it but its "fine", but taking unnecessary dmg forces the healer to make up A LOT MORE,which is risky. Im a healer and also was a DPS, so I can assure you that DPS life is way easier, but you have the pressure to do the best damage that your gear/class provides. thats a DPS job, no excuses. it becomes way harder when the key level increases, ofc, but its for everyone
@@lucassrosso it is also no excuse if you group is dying .
@@Selene-bi2qb im not sure if I understood what you are saying, but thats ok
Healer for sure, its a constant rollercoaster and the difficulty is dependant purely on the rest of your group, if they dodge bad stuff and use their personals properly or even interrupting.
Healer by far easiest role xD yeah it’s dependent on your dps to not die but that has nothing to do with how hard your role is. Imo it’s tank then dps then healer
@@jacobmitchell9227 I think it depends. Tank is easy in terms of mechanics but hard in knowledge. DPS is hard in mechanics but easy in terms of following a script. Healer is easy in mechanics but hard in terms of when to use your CDS. But all this depends on what class you're playing too
@@dodo5257-v3f Agreed, seems futile to compare these in general when there's so many more parameters, like high or low M+, PUG or grp in voice, which affixes, or the basic question what being hard even means - just doing the bare minimum, carrying your weight or helping the group excel?
I think most of you have experienced that you can do way more dps if the tank pulls consistently and "correctly", so you can plan ahead. Or that a healer that doesn't have to heal avoidable voidzone dmg all the time can help out with dps, interrupts, stuns and dispels much better.
And do you remember when bursting used to do dmg by hp percentage, and those supposedly easy low keys with a pug where a nightmare for healers? I do -_-
@@jacobmitchell9227 lol I had had friends say this and then heal and they never said healer is the easier role again, tank is know routes and cds usage, dps is just dodging shit, doing mechanics and doing the same rotation over and over, healer is heavily dynamic key by key, knowing routes, when to use cds, its bascially the combination of every role since you had to do dps etc as well, and especially this xpac there there is unavoidable damage coming from everything. 1 good dps can carry the other dps through a key, cant carry a tank or healer. not this xpac
@@jacobmitchell9227 Easiest roll? Wanna come for a 20 Ruby this week? If you think its by far the easiest roll, you havent played much WoW. Or healer AT ALL.
In Shadowlands i played as tank, but now i playing as healer(also tried a tank few times). In my opinion - healer is much harder, especially with pugs. It is very upsetting, when in 16 keys people didn't know how to do mechanics and die like in 2-6 keys. I tired talking them how to do this, because they are usualy ignore my advices.
Totally agree. Running a +16 key you should know what to do. Doesnt mean error cant occur but you basically know how to run the dungeon.
And yes... people most of the time dont even accept your advice... They rather just quit and mess up someones key before acknowledge that they dont know the mechanic...
100%. As a tank/healer, I can confirm that healing is the hardest, then tanking and then DPS.
the DPS sky is the limit take is flawed. Yes you can always push out more damage as a dps, but that very same statement holds true for healers and tanks in raids, but especially in m+ where every smidgen of damage matters in high keys
a healer who does not know the encounters well will not be able to use their gcds on damage optimally because they are constantly scrambling to heal. The same thing goes for a tank who does not use their defensives and mitigation optimally, they will be scrambling and unable to use their gcds properly for damage. SO, you have the same goal as the dps along with your other abilities.
As someone who plays all 3, dps is by far the easiest and people who say figuring out a rotation and squeezing every bit out is so difficult o_O wtf are you on about? all you have to do is open MDT once or twice, figure out which packs you are gonna need to spend your damage cds on, and then do that. If you have issues with your rotation, you may just be a lost cause. All your perceived difficulties are the same difficulties the tank and healer face on top of their other responsibilities.
People who say they have to dodge swirlies, push their buttons at the right time and interrupt mobs. Guess what, tank does all of those too, healers generally do too!
The only dps that require any kind of planning and real knowledge of the encounters are hard casters, because you need to know when you're gonna have to move and thus won't be able to plant and cast. melee dps circle the mob while doing damage the whole time. Hunters are basically ranged melee as they can just run and pewpew from a mile away (it's not a coincidence this class is a magnet for the worst players on the planet, it is the least punishing)
For what is the actual most difficult role to play (in m+ at least) I think it's a toss up between tank and healer for different reasons. If the group is really uncoordinated and literally taking a ton of avoidable damage to the face you're gonna struggle bus as a healer (especially pro active healer specs) and you'll add no damage as you constantly top players. If you're a tank in a really uncoordinated group you're gonna have to constantly keep your head on a swivel ready to pickup whatever is being butt pulled, and on the prep side of things you're gonna have to know the mob counts well if you know people are gonna butt pull so you can drop and add to the route as is required to not go over or under massively.
The sheer representation of dps illustrates this point most adequately. Lowest responsibility role. If your dps is crap and you keep dying, you'll deplete the key but still complete it. If your healer or tank is crap you're never even making it to the end of the dungeon.
DPS because nothing is harder than getting an invite in group finder as a DPS
How was dps the hardest role back in the days when a mage had a 1 button rotation? xD
I don't think he ever said that, but maybe I missed it.
Because not all dps were mages. Not saying I agree with him, but...yeah.
The thing is: everything a dd does is also expected from tanks and healers albeit to a lesser degree when it comes to dps. Tanks and healers have additional tasks in a dungeon and they do not share those among two other group members like dds do. Or to put it into an example: I have timed keys that had one dd do tank damage throughout the dungeon but I have never timed one where tank or healer did f up at every pull.
M+ on high keys is meant to be difficult, so everyone struggles and in the end the group needs to work as a team because if you don't play according to what your group members do, no one wins.
Very good assessment of each role and I agree. I have told people for years part of the reason I love playing a healer main is that I'm either sipping my coffee and relaxing through the content so to speak because it's going so well OR I'm smashing my hotkeys and sweating bullets because it's pure chaos and random events every moment where the group lives or dies by my decision on what spell/ability to use my next global on. Sometimes it's hard because the DPS aren't performing as well other times it's hard because of the nature of the encounter or the affixes or dungeon, etc. But the bottom line through all of this content whether M+ or raid is that my job gets easier the better the DPS are doing their job.
I've done tanking and dps. Healing stresses me out too much. Even when dps is dumb and dies or the tank is not good, I feel responsible. As a tank in m+ it's also stressful but if you're prepared and you know mechanics, it helps a lot because you're leading the way and more in control. Raid tanking seemed very easy - for most bosses it's a swap and one or two other mechanics. All the tougher mechanics are for dps and healers. DPS can be stressful too. There are moments you have to decide between riskier and safer play, when to use a global for a kick, when to pop a defensive, off-heal or decurse etc. Ideally, you can do all the above, and maybe it's my skill level but I find myself having to make little decisions like that constantly. It's embarrassing to die but we all want to top meters.
Part of the reason why my favorite tank to play is prot Paladin. The amount of DPS that I've saved throwing word of glories on the people made fight just to take some stress off the healer. I was a healer in all content since Vanilla. If I can do anything to help, it's baked into my brain 😂
to that i say you can do any damage if your dead. better to lose some dps and stay alive.
Raid tanking is boring as fuck! I tank in mythics as a blood DK as I can rely on myself to heal. But I dpa in raids because I don't want to "swap at 2 stacks"
I main holy priest and trying to heal stupid is a skill. Def agree healing is the hardest role up to a certain point for sure.
No one heals stupid quite as well as holy though
I like to talk shit when I play healer and say that I'm so good I can heal stupid lol
As a tank, I agree with the rankings. IMHO the healer has the hardest job and more things to do. I don't know how many times I am in a mythic dungeon and not one of the DPS can interrupt anything. They seem to only care if they are the top DPS and don't want to do anything to help that interferes with that DPS. Not all DPS are like that but many many are.
Healer in a great group is pretty easy. Healer in an ok to bad group is insanely stressful. You're managing everyone's CDs, you're probably doing mechanics, you're managing your mana bar constantly. Decision making and panic saving the group can be difficult and things happen pretty quickly.
if the group is good, healer just became the 4th dps with a constant eye on the group.
If a tank misses a defensive, they could just die. If a healer messes up someone else could just die. I'd say that's far more difficult to deal with than just doing less damage. I don't really agree with the sentiment that DPS have some infinite ceiling they can climb that Tanks and Healers don't also face.
Tanks/healers just also have to do all the other things they're responsible for that DPS don't have to deal with.
I say this as a Feral Druid. I have a ton of extra utility that I love being able to help with, and I'm melee. I've done quite a lot of tanking in previous expansions, and dabbled in DF. It is what it is. I'm way more relaxed just DPSing than I ever have been tanking. There is far more pressure to be perfect when you're the tank than there is when you're in any other role. Everything pretty much hinges on you making wise decisions when you're the tank. Tanks are basically the foundation of the group.
I think healing is on average a bit less stressful than tanking because you're not in the spotlight directly. You're kinda in the back undoing everyone elses mistakes... but it has the potential to be the most stressful when everything is going terribly and everyone is relying on you to save them.. and then you have to start making split second decisions that could easily result in everyone dying.
DPS is just DPS. You show up and steal all the glory by doing big numbers. Lmao. If your DPS sucks, you just go do some sims, beat on some target dummies and figure out what you're doing wrong. You get in some practice so you're used to the mechanics and then you're good to go. It's easy by comparison imo
The hardest role by far has got to be healers. People are really bad at this game even today, and its the healers job to babysit and prevent fuckups from becoming wipes. DPS have to learn their rotation to maximize damage while also learning where are the bad places to stand. Tanks, especially now, are just meat walls that hold aggro and are expected to know routes for m+. Healers have to learn how to heal every kind of tank, know every damage spike and dispell to both the tank and the rest of the party, and their job is the only one that gets harder when other people dont know what to do.
Tank mentally is the hardest. Dps always pulling for you. It’s your route that’s criticized but people asspull stuff all the time and always wanna chime in on what they think of your route. Thankless role.
I disagree what makes an elite dps isnt squeezing that extra 1% dmg... its doing your dps and providing well time proactive support...ie fears, stuns, ring of peace..thats is what separates great dps vs good dps... same with heals watching bars vs bars, dps, support
This!
Healers have to personally deal with all of the mistakes tanks and dps make. And those can compound. Tanks just have to keep aggro which can be done with single button skills. Healer->tank->dps generally. I understand super high keys being dps
Any person claming healing is easy, please do a 18 HoV tyranical were dps takes frontals doesnt use cds on herja or hp potions at all
It’s healing, at least this xpac, even if you have a great group that is on top of everything there is so much unavoidable damage still. Still having to do all the mechanics, track people’s defensives so you are ready to heal those who don’t have one. Everything is super reactionary and last second choices. Even at the highest level then it’s also on the healer to maximize their dps so much in changing around builds and stats etc when the healing is “easier”.
It took me about 3 months to do every 20+ key in S4 of Shadowlands as a Destro Lock which was regarded as a simple OP spec. Even though it was a simple spec I had a lot of min maxing to do, a lot of little tiny bits to consider in my rotation and it took quite some time to consider myself good.
Then I thought - why shouldn't I try tanking? Even though it's considered hard. I leveled up my prot pally and in 2 weeks I was tanking 19-20+ keys. I was like waaaaait... WTF there is no rotation, no min maxing, no tiny bits to consider, I just pretty much push a random key to use my spender and use defensives from time to time... I was shocked how insanely easy it was. It was so easy I got bored quickly.
Then I made a fire mage about a month before prepatch.... Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude I struggled for 3 months to even understand how this spec works. Spent hours on dummies every day. Now after about 5 months of playing I can say I understand this spec well and can play it well doing upwards of 97% parses on Heroic and Mythic and doing upwards of +19 keys in Dragonflight. It was 100x harder than playing a Prot Pally at any point.
I don't think prot pally was ever hard, avenger shield and consecrate lol
Yeah spec matters A LOT.
That’s not a fair comparison though, 20’s in season 4 were the 15’s of prior seasons.
@@tedhodge4830 only hard part of most tanks are knowing how few cooldowns you can get away with in certain pulls, if you overuse your CD’s they aren’t up when you need them and splat, you’re dead.
@@Dandosa1 how is it not fair? I was comparing a season 4 experience to a season 4 experience. Playing one of the most simple DPS specs was still a lot harder for me than playing random tank spec at that time. Playing Fire Mage in season 4 was absolutely, butally exhausting to me compared to both of them.
I mostly agree, except nobody dies when you don't hit a high parse on DPS. Obviously DPS still has to play well to beat enrages and kill the enemies before healer mana or tank HP runs out, but if a DPS eases off the gas, nobody's HP on their team continues to rocket towards zero, where if I decide I don't really FEEL like popping Beacon of Virtue on my Holy Paladin after everyone got chunked 70% from an AoE, I'm gonna be hearing some choice words in the chat
as someone who currently has 6 lvl 70s that are all doing there 8 m+ each week.(WW monk, MM hunter, Prot Warrior, Veng DH, Holy priest, Resto druid. Healer is definitely right up there in difficulty then tank then dps.
You do 8 M+ runs on 6 characters each? I don’t understand how people have the time for that 😮
Imagine the people in the comments who think dps is the hardest role. You press W to follow the tanks lead. 90% of you i am convinced dont have the stun you specd for on your bar and are that guy with 3 interrupts at the end of a key. Imagine thinking the tank does not care about maximizing their damage output also while worrying about pathing, interrupts, stuns, dodging frontal like in Azure vault, moving out of floor swirlys, etc. A tank in high keys that does not time their active mitigation properly is a dead tank that no healer or dps could do anything to save. Some of these tank busters are hitting tanks for our entire hp pool with no active mitigation. Im not talking about keeping up sotr, consecrate, iron fur, bone shield, etc. Those are just maintenence mitigation buffs at this point.
Tanks and healers also do damage so they have the same skill cap as dps even if it's not the primary job
For high keys, all the roles have about the same level of difficulty because each individual masters his class. However it's then on the player side and it becomes a team difficulty. Knowledge of the dungeons must be shared and coordination and timing are the most important.
I'm sorry.. did you say dps was the harder role? No one has ever believed that.. in vanilla, it was tanking in dungeons with maybe an arguement for healing. After that, until m+, it was healing. Now, with m+, I would say it's probably equal between tanking and healing.
@Izen I think the hardest is the player against themselves. That said, healing stresses people out more because players are more likely to blame you and the “survival” of the group depends on you. That said, I’ve healed a pally tank 17m on a 9+ HoV and still been blamed. Is what it is.
The healer has to change how they spend healing cds based on different weeks also tbf. Only things tanks have to know extra is route changes.
Changing routes mid run is a pain. I see dps and healers who have no spatial awareness and pull extra crap all the time. Dracthyr at the moment are the worst.. so many use breath and go too far.
Since healer are supposed to do damage as well these days I think it became already harder.
Doesnt matter that much in lower keys but the thing that in some T-Lists you can find online the main reason a class or spec is ranked above another is the dps output feels weird for me.
Comes down to what you're used to playing mostly.
I main DPS but i have and can tank "high" keys (20+) in M+ and my opinion is that Healer is either the easiest role, or the hardest it all depends on the group and the situation.
The same can be said and argued for Tank.
Without question DPS is the easiest role for M+.
I do not raid but the hardest role in Raid is the Raid Leader...
Why? Because you need to deal with brainiac players that can't deal with mechanics no matter how many tries they have without loosing your sanity and keeping your cool, even on mythic raiding level.
TLDR Tank and Healer need to do what DPS do + their own responsibilities.
DPS is ZUGZUG turn off brain mode.. yes even on high keys tbh, as long as u have your class on muscle memory.
Played at their maximum the most difficult role in high end Mythic+ is Healer. In high level M+ the healer is basically a dps who has the additional responsibility of healing the group. the Healer has to do their DPS rotation correctly to maximize their dps, as well as monitor healing needs, and know all mechanics of the dungeon. This video is incorrect about the healers job in high level M+, if the healer is not pumping on the dps meters, the group cannot compete in high level M+. Next is the DPS, they have to be able to execute their dps rotation while doing mechanics to do competitive dps, in high level keys the dps also needs to know the dungeon inside and out. Last is the tank, the tank needs to know a little more about the dungeon than the rest of the group, but their rotations are simple and mechanics are more forgiving.
Healing in keys is very stressful, especially in pugs
One thing you failed to mention is that the wow playerbase is in fact 80-85% casual. Of that of course there are bads and some very good. But that cutting edge playerbase your talking about is 3-5%. So even if those specific guys you would say the dps is harder....Well...there are 80% that trump. So because of this breakdown, considering that weight..Your initial Healer/Tank/DPS is the most accurate and fair statement.
In any sample you usually removed that high and low extremes to minimize variance..In this case the RWF raiders would not even be caputred. They are literally a different type of player.
Healer. The answer is healer.
I would say this season it's Heal (hardest) => DPS => Tank
I don't disagree, but healing has felt much more chill this season than in slands. Health bars are much less spikey.
the new "do dps as healer" thing is a feature you can play in elder scrolls online because players can self sustain pretty well...in wow df there are so many mechanics that people fails you can t waste global or time doing dps
but thats the challenge of the role, a good healer will and should try to do it, there is a huge dif with healers that do 5k and healers that do 40k, if they can pull that off while the result of the party not dying is the same, you pretty much found yourself a 0.1% healer
@@Poleriwi a good healer wont reach 40k healings because the team actually knows what to do...in most cases he is fixed on tanks and control adds... also with affixes like quackin thundering dps must know exactly what to do...and most people i see have no clue about what to do otherwise they die one shot no matter the healings... what you say have no sense
Healer>>>>>DPS>>Tank
healer for sure. too many things that damn near 1 shot regardless of how “skilled” ur tank or dps are. some healers also play proactively rather than reactionary, which adds an additional layer of complexity.
Something not mentioned in the video is that, as a healer, I also need to keep track of when the boss will do a certain mechanic and prepare for it by prehotting (rdruid). Rest of the group just has to press one gcd defensive. Also, because of this my pre-made group relies on me to call boss mechanics/abilities, doubt they even keep track of any timing of boss mechanics.
Hardest roles to play are melee dps no debate! Easiest to play are range specs.
maybe hunter as ranged, because all other ranged dps are casters, and try to keep your dps when you have to constantly avoid mechanics, + i play as frost mage, and if i use my main CD wrong, or if i ide, my dps is out for 2-3 minutes
I think in m+ all roles are rough to a certain extent. Dps gets that bad rep because of the role but they deal with all of the "never good enough mentality. As a tank i feel like my classes job isnt that hard but my personal job is. Plenty of research is needed, pathing has to be nearly perfect and you have to be a legitimately good leader for those following you. Healer is hectic because is split decisions and keeping count or at least trying to keep count of teams defensives and sometimes it really feels like it comes down to making a decision where someone cant win
I fell in love with healer once I started getting calm in situations where I was literally just deciding "I can't save all of you, so I will sacrifice one of you". At a certain point you just hit a flow state of reacting perfectly (or close to) and making split second decisions where you just "get" everything. Every health bar, every buff/debuff, every CD. Its kinda like a runner's high tbh.
I've played all three rolls, Healer >= Tank > DPS. Tanks have a lot more responsibility to plan the route and the pulls; healers have to step up to that to ensure the DPS stays alive hit the timer, and DPS has to output, and not do dumb stuff.
One thing to note is that at high levels most raid teams want to decrease the number of healers to increase overall raid DPS thereby increasing difficulty for the remaining healers. Of course no one cares but there will always be the "can you one or two heal this?" at some point. Good healers want to maximize thier performance as well and push effciencies / challanges.
As someone who does healing and DPS I still say healing is more difficult. Especially at the high end as stated and at the low end where there is a lot of stupid. As we always say "you can't heal stupid" 🤣🤣🤣
It varies significantly by DPS class too. An affliction warlock managing to keep DOTS up on all of the targets while doing mechanics is a good deal more challenging than, say, a hunter doing their rotation. I've raided as a healer, tank and DPS, and squeezing out the max dps I can on my Aff lock is the hardest of them.
The healer *feels* harder at times when you're wiping because you feel like you're failing to keep people alive when the reality is that until people are doing mechanics correctly, there's only so much the healers can do to mitigate that failure.
Hardest of the roles are the classes that get called the low tier. People watch the videos of people opinions of the classes then refuse to invite them to give them a chance. I have seen more people take the popular spec and do trash dps than people playing a spec that rarely gets an invite. People get it in their heads that they can only achieve KSM with specific classes and specs in their groups. I would just take anyone who is good at their class.
Healing may not be consistently the hardest role throughout the course of the dungeon, but they do have frequent moments where a party wipes or doesn't wipe within a handful of globals. Especially on healers where preparation is key to throughput, if they don't execute a handful of maybe 5-6 globals perfectly it's a bricked key. This usually happens on the order of 5-10 times per key, making it extremely swingy in terms of stress and intensity.
People are also much harder on the meters for DPS. People will say things like "you did 30k DPS when you should be hitting 35k". That doesn't happen with tank or healer.
Tank is not very straight forward. On top of knowing the route, the pulls, and the mechanics, tanks need to react and predict every possible outcome with their cds. For example as DK sometimes I hold with my snappy hands because I know next pull there are couple of hunter mobs very hard to pack with the group so I use it there to stack them together, or hold a major defensive because I see a patrol coming which may or may not get pulled by someone, being always aware of the surroundings, the damage of the mobs, knowing what to pull and when to pull, despite DPS urging you to pull more when you know those 2 mobs hit like a truck, etc.. etc.. etc…
So yeah tank role it’s not just taking damage but forecast the entire dungeon.
You know that argument is for literraly everybody else in m+, adjust the cd you use to adapt to whats coming, offensively and defensively. You dont see dps and healers use all their cd on every pull because they know that theres timing to use certain things... Id argue that tanks being, well, tankier have more leniency to fail some mecanics that are one shots for anyone else
Yeah I’ve noticed as a tank main, I start to think of solutions to every scenario possible, and even start to do things to prevent those scenarios from happening, even if they might not make sense to idiot pugs.
"as a dps there is always room to do more dps" what bs, there is not always room. There is a skill ceiling aswell and saying there is always room for more dps is like saying u can do more dps if u hit ur buttons harder. Ppl at the highest level perform their rotations perfectly or near perfectly. These rotations can be harder or easyer depending on class.
1 could argue that healers fit in the same story as dps. True they can only heal as much as mobs damage us, but in downtime there is also room to maximize dps and optimize play.
Literally the EXACT argument I have made lol, including the skill ceiling part.
As a healer, I do think that that upper limit on heals does still fall in a similar category to the upper limit of dps, but in a much lower pressure way. You have to be doing some real nonsense one way or the other in order to get anybody to comment on it, but healer dps is a significant metric to pay attention to. Especially in M+, my philosophy is "what is my max dps I can have while keeping everyone above 1 hp?" And any drop in hps doesn't really matter as long as nobody died. In that way, it frames things in a question of what can I do to keep my team up in the fewest globals possible. On rDruid, how can I make sure that my dots never drop. In disc priest, how can I plan for damage so I can just pure DPS when the damage comes in. In evoker, what are the fewest essences I can use so they all get to go to disintigrates (and I never sit at cap).
So while I do agree that from the perspective of the other players, the skill cap and accolades you get in DPS has an unquestionably higher cap, and they do have plenty of non-DPS related jobs to do as well. But healers do have a similar infinite ceiling to min-maxxing their globals, just don't expect anybody to notice lol. When was the last time you heard someone say "This pog healer is cranking 20k dps. What a pumper!" But you would notice a difference if you had a healer that kept everyone alive and did 8k.
Funnily enough I actually got noticed by a group for doing good dps as a healer and still managing to keep the undergeared tank alive, and even got an invite to their guild raids for that ^^ Now as a mw I wasn't doing anything exceptional since the majority of my healing comes from doing dps, but still it felt very nice!
all roles are the same difficulty
everyone needs to know trash and boss mechanics, how to deal with affixes, how to use supporting abilities to enahnce the group and how to use personal cooldowns of all kinds to clear in timely manner
- dps difficulty comes from fast paced rotations and executing said rotations with mechanics in mind
- tank difficulty comes from knowing layout of the dungeon to lead the pulls as efficiently as possible
- healer difficulty comes from making up for mistakes the other two roles might have done, if its possible
if you find healing a hard and stressful that just means your party is flat out bad, many healers who get to 20+ keys realise how easy role becomes as mistakes that were expected to be healed through previously now simply just one shots dps leaving only themselves to blame
while it might be unpopular opinion i think hardest role in m+ is dps role, they are the ones that dictate how fast dungeon will be completed, the faster you kill stuff the less dangerous it is
I’ve played all 3 roles,
If you group is terrible healer is the hardest,
If your group is competent dps is,
Because dpsing is easy,
Being a good dps is hard
I see a lot of people saying healing in a good group is easy but that's where most people don't see the ceiling as a healer every spec can build for really high damage output and with a good group your goal should be to put out as much damage as you can while doing as little as you need to too keep the group alive
Do you have a discord for your community?
Imo for high level mythic+ it’s Melee dps>tank>heal>ranged dps. Melee dps has an absurd amount of punishing mechanics. Raiding I would put melee dps behind tanks and healers though.
100% healer, and I don't even play one. No thanks....
Idk I curruently main tank & have pugged up to 2.4k rating in M+. Been main healing for the past 5-6 years & healing has never felt stressfull at all. Tanking on the other hand has put me into some tough situations. Idk
Great helpful videos! :) Could you share the UI and WA you use for your Evoker please! Thanks man! 🙏
as a healer myself the only diff thing about healing are these two things DH and hunters players
I've just switched from DPS to tank, and i love it.. i don't have to try hard as much to squeeze out max possible DPS, and i end up being a beast at stopping/cc'ing and interrupting, gripping targets to make DPS life easier etc. I went with blood dk and i really enjoy just trying to make everything easier for the group.
One bad thing about it i have to say tho, i mainly pug, and sometimes i run into the issue of joining groups with 3 average at best DPS players, feels quite bad not timing a key simply because the DPS is a little on the low side.
tanking is easy untill you start doing big keys 22+ if youre doing small keys your opinion is irrelevant
@@freddiet8639 hahahahaha everyone get a load of this guy
I would say melee>healer>tank>ranged
As someone that played all 4 roles in mythic raiding, Caster is playing the game in tutorial mode
Cool vid, but How do you stay in Human form everytime?
i find the only way i have fun on the game is healing. I wouldnt call any role on this game "hard" but healing is definitely stressful. Tanking is pretty boring imo and dps feels way too repetitive.
As a healer/tank you can also work on minmax your dps...
Dps have near infinite skill ceiling. For pugs its healer
From my own personal experience across multiple MMO's, Tanking is generally more challenging. There's calculating the risk of how many mobs can you afford to grab at one given time, how much damage can you soak before its just too much your healer can't keep up, as the tank you decide how fast a dungeon goes.
Tank is easiest unless it's sanguine healer is easy unless DPS are bad PS is easy if you're good Everything is subject to change based upon other people's place styles
I play main DPS in the current expansion and I shelved my tank/healer druid, because of how easy it is to play my BM hunter versus my bear in the current expansion and I despise how healers were changed since WotLK. That is saying, how stressful it is to heal, not how "hard" it is.
This is really hard to answer for pugs as everything can change depending on your group setup. If your group sucks, you will have absolutely the worst time as a healer. But considering a moderately competent group, that knows what it is doing, you can look at it this way:
Everyone has to know their class. Period. This is dependent more on the spec you are playing, than if you are a tank, healer or dps. There classes, that are easy and there are ones that are very hard to play well. On top of that, everyone has to know the boss mechanics and needed movement.
As a dps, you are one of three so even if you don't play 100%, you have two other guys that have the same role. Your added responsibility is interrupts, especially as melee. You do not have to adapt much to specific situations. As a healer, you shoulnd't be bothered with interrupting, but you have to watch out for dispellable debuffs. You also have to adapt to a specific encounter a bit more than dps, because the knowledge of damage spikes can help you heal proactively instead of reactively.
And this is wehre we come to tanks. They not only have to know their class and especially its mitigation cooldowns, they also need to know, which mobs do physical or magic damage, they have to know the optimal routs to take, they have to pull exactly the right amount of mobs to neither slow down too much and not to overpull, they have to know every encounter basically, or the whole instance is going to be a pain for everyone and someone ends up rage-leaving. On top on all of that, once they learned this, changes in affixes will change all of that from week to week. There is no other role, where the difference between an below average and a good player will have a bigger impact.
Also consider the fackt, that even when all dps die, you can most of the time finish an encounter without an enrage mechanic. When the healer dies, the tank can often survive a part of the encounter by popping more mitigation skills and self-healing (looking at you especially DKs) ... with a dead tank on a 40% boss and no BR, you can just lie down and reset the encounter.
And saying "dps is hardest because you always have room for improvement" is just silly. This goes double for healers and tanks. And an additional 5-10% dps in the damage meters is not what makes or breaks a key. If you think it is, you are deluding yourself.
Wtf someone doesn’t know about threat generation from old school wow
As an arcane mage I disagree with all of this but maybe arcane is an outlier
As some one who started wow in shadowlands as a hunter. I now main healer and have done for the past year. I don’t think one is harder then the other. A good group is key. Of course each role has its perks. Ie. Ya k can get coughs by something as it won’t kill him. Healers can get away with not doing as much dps in some keys. And dos can get away with doing less dps when having a bad run. I have played tanks dps and healers and found healing the best imo. Suits my okay style. And in s3 I did some 22/23 on all paladin tank resto sham and a surv hunter. I think overall all roles are as hard as you make it. There’s always room for improvement and it depends on how ones play style is like. In anything less then a 22 I personally don’t care about dps. Some times I finish at 10k some times at 4K but my healing is showing more hps. If I had to pick one I would say healer would be harder. Reasons are
1- affix’s effect is more. Purging soothing dispelling.
2-some times you have 0 control over your cd’s. If some one gets hit for like 90% of their hp you have no but to use a cd.
3- yes you just follow the group healing but the expectation to do 20+ dos while healing while cc’ing while sootheing purging. And again I do main healers so of-course I would like to think my roles is harder 😂
mistweaver monk is hardest spec in game. Melee healer. no way anyone has it worse
This expansion it’s healer for sure. By a long shot. Especially pugging. Feel like whack a mole since pugs won’t do or avoid mechanics. Need some meth or cocaine to keep up I feel like lol
The argument about DPS always having room to improve their damage, whereas tanks and healers are binary jobs completely disregards that tanks and some healers can ALSO deal a significant amount of the overall damage for a key.
I miss playing vesper totem + earthquake ele rsham in keys
At higher keys, especialy in pugs, tanking is a nightmare. You have to decide the routes, give kick assignments, when to BL, when to shroud, always analyzing dps CDs for pulls etc. Its alot of work for one person to do in real time while trying to also play your own spec. Sure you get used to it, but there is no other role with this much work and responsability. Healing is for sure very close to tanking cause of just the nature of what the healers have to do.
I tried the vuhdo profile but it requires debuff bouquet can't find it in the pastebin, I'm I missing something ?
I play several classes and specs. I have my favorites bit I don’t think I could really say which is hardest. I like to play tank classes in the open world and DPS in dungeons. But this is only because as a tank, I am only familiar with a few dungeons.
Everything about dps only applies if a DPS player has a third brain cell to understand how not to stand in one spot...or stand in pools of damage...problem is that that's 95% of dps players.
Ohh my friend, you are WRONG about the ceiling of 100, 100, 150.
Healers also have to focus on squeezing out dps. A Healer adding 15k dps to the pool might be more crucial than a dps pulling an additional 5k. At the maximum level, keeping everyone alive is NOT ENOUGH as a healer and people will care. This is all while maintaining mana during an entire dungeon. Tanks also, they can survive, and know the route, but they can also do damage, and knowing how to and when to makes or breaks higher level runs. Everyone has a mountain to climb at being the best and it is ALWAYS the same mountain, doing DPS efficiently.
Tanks and healers can also work on improving their dps when they survive or keep party alive
If tanks are using their cooldowns properly and DPS are obeying the mechanics, then healing is technically the easiest one. Tanks control the pace sure, but as long as the healer is pushing heal and the DPS doesn't pull then it's still easy street. The hardest role to actually play optimally is DPS because both healer and tank really boils down to "how does the group handle the mechanics."
min maxing enhancement shaman is the most difficult role
At the high end, I think all three roles are very close in difficulty. However, the argument that DPS have a limitless potential where healers don't is absurd. You even mentioned it in your video, all three roles are expected to DPS. When everyone is topped and the tank isn't taking damage, they're not AFKing, they're DPS as much as they can. As a matter of fact, the healer is constantly having to juggle their DPS and Healing "rotations".
you have do differenciate ranged and melee DPS too, in terms of roles.
cant say for raid since i play m+ only. but when it comes to m+ i would say this: easiest is ranged dps -> heal -> tank -> melee dps.
if you just look at the affixes in m+. ranged dps have just do deal with "annoying things". and not deadly stuff.
i would say heal is easier if the group is good and takes a minimum of avoidable dmg.
as a melee dps you have to deal with dancing tanks, while running around and do other mechanics. (stop things, dodge things, kick things etc.)
I agree ranged dps is likely the easiest of roles but healing is much more difficult than you are being lead to believe. Healers are weaving in a dps rotation, getting interrupts and stuns just like the dps are, all well healing the party and acting preemptively to incoming damage. As others have stated healers don't have the luxury of taking a dps timeout when things get frantic if they don't get their heals out it's a wipe.
Ranged is so braindead yet they bitch and moan so much in forums and YT, its just ridiculous. They are the most to die to stupid shit, always forget they have A and D keys and then blame the healer for their idiocy.
You could have a bad healer and be ok. You could have a dps or two falling behind and be ok. But, if the tank is clueless the key is bricked. Tank is the most critical but everyone is important haha
I agree with almost everything, except the fact that DPS can be harder in some cases. In Raid i agree it can be more challenging than tank, but in Dungeons DPS can't even talk about difficulty. First because the mechanics they have to do/avoid to maximize dps are almost the same a healer needs to do and in some cases tanks. Second, if your tank sucks, u won't be able to pass the first pull without someone quitting. Third, if your healer sucks, even if u play very well, in some cases you will NEED heals or you will die.
Ranged DPS is brain dead, meele DPS suffers a bit more cause needs to be aware of certain things (frontals or moving far for a while cause something is happening) and i would say tank and heals are close in terms of difficulty.
As someone who played dps before and now healer since uldir (around world rank 100/150 bracket), i think that healers skill ceiling can be pushed forward if you get one more dps in the composition instead of a healer (like 3 or 4 healers instead of 4 or 5). If you have the shoulders to do so, it is a great benefits for your guild.
Overall I think Healer is the hardest, then tank and dps being the easiest or at least most chill.
But, when you are playing tank or dps you can make the healer's life way easier when you play well.
You can interupt casts, dispell stuff, not stand in void zones and use your defensives.
As a heal in DF I made the experience that it makes and immense difference.
I heal the same keys with different groups and in one they were all getting super low or sometimes die in 2 secs.
And with another group people where super easy to heal and we just went through the dungeons in no time.
I always watch out for the use of interupts and depending on the key level sometimes no one is using interupts (NO ONE!).
So dont blame the heal for not healing through a stacking aoe debuff.
And since I record my runs I also see often times people just standing in an aoe effect... and not by accident because they do it over and over no matter how much damage they take...
"No need to follow a specific rotation for healing" Wild Growth will NOT heal the party with 1 button.
I normally respect your opinion on stuff but with this im going to disagree. I have 3 dps one on 1900 rating, 2500 and 2700. Up till now its really not been that hard.
Yes its not 3k rating but honestly I have done 20s now and they arent even close to the difficulty of my Disc priest. I think maybe you're talking because you're playing an evoker. Which is mechanically so much easier then some other healers (Maybe not resto druid but the rest I'd say). My resto druid sits on 2.7 rating where as I am struggling hard to get to 1.9k on my disc priest so I dont think this is a fair breakdown because some healers and indeed some tanks are so much harder then other ones. There is definitely a huge difficulty curve between the bottom Disc Priest and the bottom Evoker for example. Disc priest is enough to fry your brain while doing all the same tactics as a dps and having to make as much dps as you can because that also is your hps.
Playing a poorly designed class is hard. You keep track of every skill usage to optimize play while being aware of the mech, only found out yourself at the bottom of the dps meter regardless
Healer is the hardest. When tanks do unnecessary pulls and dps don't use defense and taking unnecessary damage. It makes us healers lives hard as hell.
Dps is the hardest, because most people fail at it and do mediocre. If you have good ++ DPS, your healer and tank won’t need to do much.