Raid Rankings & META Week 6: BIG Gains for Shadow, Devastation, Arms & Ret

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  • Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024

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  • @m_rod9562
    @m_rod9562 Год назад +5

    Blizz forgot about DK’s

  • @yingtao6927
    @yingtao6927 Год назад +5

    Seeing arms so high in the parses is interesting, because there aren't that many arms parses in the first place and they actually sim lower in both single target and aoe than fury. So I expected their placings to be reversed. Maybe after many people switched to arms in the last 2 weeks, because the 4 piece fury set wasn't that great, just don't bother to switch back to fury. Or people prefer to have the high execute damage of arms which is very helpful for progression and it feels good to go from 5th place in the dps meter to 1st place at the end of the fight.

    • @Manakuski
      @Manakuski Год назад

      It's just fun to play. Also i believe many players haven't yet tried or found the Onslaught Fury build which sims higher for me and is easier to play. Altho... That execute below 35% is so smooth

    • @Nuke_1337
      @Nuke_1337 Год назад

      Fury does not sim better in st than arms lol

    • @yingtao6927
      @yingtao6927 Год назад

      @@Nuke_1337 The onslaught build does sim higher for about 2% which isn't much but we've seen a shift from fury to arms about 2-3 weeks ago when arms with 4 piece did about 3% more dps than fury.
      Changes to onslaught and anger management allow for a new build where you gain an insane amount of rage which allows you to more or less spam rampage and with the buff to fury's execute it does decent damage.

    • @Nuke_1337
      @Nuke_1337 Год назад

      @@yingtao6927 then you must have very low crit/haste values, arms st sims for about 4-5k more lol

    • @yingtao6927
      @yingtao6927 Год назад

      @@Nuke_1337 I simmed with 26% haste and 24% crit for fury and 24% haste and 27% crit for arms with no windfury and no pi. For arms crit is a little bit low (in bis gear you end up at around 33% crit) but most people aren‘t Running around in bis arms benefits a lot from windfury. Without windfury you probably get rage starved. If you look at the bis sims, they expect you to use charge for extra rage to not get rage starved with windfury.
      Yes, in bis gear with windfury and using charge for extra Rage, arms will do 5% More st dps. Remove windfury and extra rage from charge and arms falls behind about 2%.

  • @evoknz
    @evoknz Год назад +15

    Man frost DK really needs some help rn

    • @cuajada
      @cuajada Год назад

      On the intro section, the number of FDK parses increased by 55. No not 55%, 55 parses. For comparison, surv hunter increased by 212, and other underrepresented specs by 1k/1.5k parses

    • @cuajada
      @cuajada Год назад

      The performance of this spec is salvaged by the insane amount of resource generation given in the talent rework, which allows the Breath of sindragosa build to consistently have ridiculous breath uptimes. Omitting M+ performace, the spec is doing well in raid for now, but my guts are telling me that by 10.1 its going to be close to, if not absolute bottom.

    • @dan3370
      @dan3370 Год назад +1

      Sad to see Fdk being neglected as always... I attempt to main this spec every xpac then end up rerolling after a few weeks. Fdk is always left behind...

    • @beeman4266
      @beeman4266 Год назад

      @Dan It's always absolute dog shit at the start of xpacs, it's a spec that scales well as the expansion goes on. It definitely needs buffs at the start of xpacs though, I'm pretty sure it was literally the lowest spec at the start of shadowlands too.

    • @chrislee8467
      @chrislee8467 Год назад

      What's a frost DK?

  • @NighDarke
    @NighDarke Год назад +3

    They need to either buff the crap outta Survival or just get rid of it.

    • @leaflotus6726
      @leaflotus6726 Год назад

      Our single target is good though, give me chakrams back and I'll show you real aoe.

  • @AIWASS999
    @AIWASS999 Год назад +8

    My poor poor destro lock =( I never thought we'd hit rock bottom.

    • @Superpollon69Taiga782
      @Superpollon69Taiga782 Год назад

      1 of the 3 specs is always on the bottom every season x)))

    • @keestojuusto6072
      @keestojuusto6072 Год назад

      Lock overall doesnt seem to perform very well.

    • @mimcduffee86
      @mimcduffee86 Год назад +1

      They're probably just being overly hesitant is destro so they don't become top tier like they did for s3 last expac.

    • @jeffsanders5444
      @jeffsanders5444 Год назад +1

      they are decent in m+

    • @AIWASS999
      @AIWASS999 Год назад

      @@jeffsanders5444 Not bad but not overly good.

  • @helltube4523
    @helltube4523 Год назад +1

    Hey nice overview as always. Since you made a comparison Video about the difficulty of the different roles recently. How about a video analyzing the relation between difficulty and performance on different specs. This time around it feels like the easiest classes to play perform the best. Would be really interesting to see if there is anything to that.

  • @semi6544
    @semi6544 Год назад +3

    Feels like that Elemental buff did nothing in reality or in the rankings.

  • @annonono
    @annonono Год назад +8

    With all due respect, but unholy in D tier is crack-induced level opinion

    • @redmin3r311
      @redmin3r311 Год назад

      We pump all our DMG at the start and then everyone catches up xD

    • @grabasliceandchillout9008
      @grabasliceandchillout9008 Год назад +1

      @@redmin3r311 not really only if theirs a lot of adds do people catch up UH is one of the Top boss dmging classes

    • @FrostDK98
      @FrostDK98 Год назад +1

      Shhh maybe we'll get some extra buffs just for funlol

    • @vincentholguin3415
      @vincentholguin3415 Год назад

      No it belongs there my ilv190 hunter was doing the same damage a 390 unholy dk was in a mythic 0

    • @grabasliceandchillout9008
      @grabasliceandchillout9008 Год назад

      @@vincentholguin3415 he must have been dogshit then i do like 100k dps overall every dungeon right now

  • @Netherspike55
    @Netherspike55 Год назад +3

    Time to buff ele shaman

  • @fromheartforyoursoul4592
    @fromheartforyoursoul4592 Год назад

    "self-proclaimed humans" i feel so called out ahahaha

  • @a.g.9360
    @a.g.9360 Год назад +5

    My main is ele, i know how to play but my guild dont want to see me in a raids😅

  • @necrolord5611
    @necrolord5611 Год назад +1

    Arms and shadow are actually top 2 if you just look at 10.0.5. Given that shadow also gives PI, its clearly the single best dps class right now, for raid and M+

    • @AD-ro6yp
      @AD-ro6yp Год назад +2

      Strange nobody actually plays shadow in m+ but instead play balance druid.
      Might be bacause shadow doesnt really bring anything to the key. Worst kick in the game, actually loses dps to pick better kick. No stuns, no good aoe stop as fear is target capped.
      Shadow needs help in the utility department.

    • @beeman4266
      @beeman4266 Год назад

      Shadow priests can be 20% higher dps than any other spec and shadow priests will still cry about something. There's just something about shadow priest players, they're not happy unless they're complaining about a rework or buffs.

    • @AD-ro6yp
      @AD-ro6yp Год назад

      @@beeman4266 I was spriest main in sanctum. I switched to mage because it actually has some utility and is just so much smoother to play.
      Spriest def deserves to be on top as it was kinda shit for entire shadowlands. Not that SP is actually 20% higher compared to other dps classes:D

    • @uncutdank
      @uncutdank Год назад

      @@AD-ro6yp considering the numbers dh is the most played class in m+ from logs, spriest #2.... don't speak if you don't know

    • @AD-ro6yp
      @AD-ro6yp Год назад

      @@uncutdank Shadow priest isnt even the 3rd ranged spec in popularity.

  • @Bulrockk
    @Bulrockk Год назад +19

    arms in s tier is a bit exaggerated imo

    • @PanTheGu
      @PanTheGu Год назад

      I Agree. I mostly M+ but I wouldn't say Arms is sitting that much higher than most of that in terms of Damage. In the raid it still feels a bit hit and miss depending on the boss.

  • @wizzy4123
    @wizzy4123 Год назад +6

    Feels incredible to be a warlock main right now XD

    • @advent7166
      @advent7166 Год назад

      well destro is godtier m+ spec tho

    • @Kevinvettu
      @Kevinvettu Год назад +3

      @@advent7166 Except its not haha.. Its "good" but not godtier. Im 2.7k rio destro lock myself doing 20-21 keys
      Destro ramp is so damn high that unless you do very high keys and pull massivly to take advantage of rain of fire non number capped capeability, we're sub par.

    • @wizzy4123
      @wizzy4123 Год назад +1

      @@advent7166 Destro in high keys is a worse version of boomkin in AoE but only offers slightly higher ST

    • @obswalb4790
      @obswalb4790 Год назад

      @@wizzy4123 boomkin 4pc set is bigger bonus in aoe than every warlock 4pc combined smoge

    • @XAn0nymousX0
      @XAn0nymousX0 Год назад

      A class that's always needed and always good is slightly weak right now. Cry a river bro.

  • @DrBrainrape
    @DrBrainrape Год назад +2

    Why is survival so low? The tree talents has some questionable spells like quickshot, need to equip a ranged weapon for that. bombs still doesn’t do enough damage

    • @jordanwoods2475
      @jordanwoods2475 Год назад

      they dont want survival to shine but if you notice single target where second highest dps but so many fights are cleave fights or have some what adds we are left behind beacuse our aoe is dogshit

    • @eggshapedisraelioperative6317
      @eggshapedisraelioperative6317 Год назад +1

      The talent tree is unforgiving. You’re either all in on ST or all in on AOE, neither of which particularly excel. God help you if you hybridise your build

    • @leaflotus6726
      @leaflotus6726 Год назад

      @@eggshapedisraelioperative6317 I'm hybrid, don't have 4 set (crying), fury of da eagle (and 3 talents further) generally fits in pretty well, don't think I'm even in more ranged dps, on single don't run it obviously, but in aoe you get atleast 2 flanking strikes per pull in m+, atleast.
      But yeah I take base fury of eagle and explosive shot, for raid generally. Regardless of build. (Will get rid of both prob at 4 set)

  • @advent7166
    @advent7166 Год назад +3

    Better nerf MM by 3% after the first week. It is not like their set is garbage :D At least we can hope for some BM aoe buffs.

    • @AngryPomeranian
      @AngryPomeranian Год назад

      We waited for bm aoe buff all Shadowlands lmao, stop copium.

    • @advent7166
      @advent7166 Год назад

      @@AngryPomeranian Luckily, I didn't play beyond the first season of SL :D

    • @leaflotus6726
      @leaflotus6726 Год назад

      Just swap to survival, trust me.

  • @Jon-dw5qp
    @Jon-dw5qp Год назад

    What wa is it that brings up ur cool down big like that then They fade away ?

  • @billflynn9962
    @billflynn9962 Год назад

    Did those UH DK and rogues get nerfs? they didn't "lose" any positions they were just really good and other specs caught up.

    • @FrostDK98
      @FrostDK98 Год назад

      UH got 0 nerfs and their 4 piece tier set is good. I'm confused how they dropped so much as well

    • @venomwave7239
      @venomwave7239 Год назад

      Outlaw and sin got nerfed quite a bit. Don't know about DK

    • @alp_altinok3828
      @alp_altinok3828 Год назад

      @@venomwave7239 they're literally only low on the meter (sin rogue) because all the bosses are are based

    • @Ashaeron
      @Ashaeron Год назад

      @@FrostDK98 Unholy had a pretty clear line between ST and AOE, which is why it's "struggling". As more people get through the raid role specific performance matters less and generalisation is king.

  • @federicocapriotti2180
    @federicocapriotti2180 Год назад

    cries in warlock...

  • @leaflotus6726
    @leaflotus6726 Год назад

    Mm being pulled back down to the shadows by the other specs
    Trinity of best classes, warlock, hunter, and mage
    How do they miss so hard, mm was as usual till, the incident.

  • @hsdExorcist
    @hsdExorcist Год назад

    Mages need some love, Frost mage feels stale and not exciting to play, Arcane is cool though performing is difficult, Fire mage feels weak unless played perfectly and still can't go on par with others

  • @pettrify
    @pettrify Год назад

    Dks being C tier is just ridiculous….blizz needs to fix this asap

  • @ForceM1782
    @ForceM1782 Год назад +1

    This overall ranking is rubbish imho.
    For example i play 2 DPS Classes in Normal/Hero Raids and at similar levels. Havoc and Beastmaster.
    When i play Havoc, i do Many millions of more overall Damage. But it’s completely useless damage on most Bosses. (For example, i burned 2 Essence break Windows on the Razzie P2 Adds, and i completely annihilated everyone in the damage meters, when it actually didn’t matter at all!) The only one i would deem Havoc more valuable than BM is Council, and maybe Diurna, but only when i have to do adds (for some reason my pets run painfully slowly towards them and back to boss)
    In all other fights, Single target is more important. And Havoc, even with Decent Equip, does Tank damage on singles, no matter how i juggle skills.
    If i got to choose another DPS Class and reroll, i would probably do Windwalker, because it excels in both, but is especially good in single.
    Shadow imho got buffed when it was already doing fine in raid. I predict them climbing to the top 3 spots soon.
    I won’t touch these stupid looking dinosaur dragons, no matter how hard they buff them.

    • @gollese
      @gollese Год назад +1

      Rubbish, are you even looking at the video. Its literally taken from the logs, how the classes are performing. No matter how you twist it, numbers dont lie

    • @ForceM1782
      @ForceM1782 Год назад

      @@gollese is it logging the trash for example? You can do millions of statpadding on that. I would know, i play DH…
      Or as i said Razzie adds. Unlike in M+, the speed at which you AOE these down literally doesn’t matter, except if your healers go oom at the end. (Which is not why people wipe on Razzie, ever! For Diurna Adds its maybe a bit different, but even there only if you have problems killing them before the next set spawns.
      Dathea.
      So the only bosses where i can see that AOE burst counts for anything would be Council, and then maybe Dathea Mythic (because Heroic you just cheese the platform mechanic. My raid sends one tank on a platform to interrupt, then boss is down…), Eranog Mythic for the big adds, and that’s all she wrote…
      So as i said. I will do way more damage with a DH overall andpat myself on the shoulder. But where the damage really counts in Vault, is single target sustained. And a lot of the bottom half speccs do that extremely well, but according to these logs, are just crap.
      Therefore: Rubbish indeed!

    • @etheriawow
      @etheriawow Год назад

      @@gollese looking at the logs it says aff is third from last. Playing my aff lock alt in a normal pug I was more often than not out dpsing many “meta” classes w/ 10-20 ilvls on me. A tier list based solely off of mythic logs doesn’t apply to most players, as most players I’ve come across don’t push their buttons right lol

  • @keltuzak
    @keltuzak Год назад +1

    Monk is on top only in overall score, if it comes to bosses they are completly useless with their dmg, only reason they get score like this is aoe touch of death talent.

    • @kyoden1928
      @kyoden1928 Год назад

      my 410 monk 4pc with diurna ring+flaring cowl does 56k dps single consistent but my 402 survival hunter with 405 weapons does 60k lmao

    • @UziiTube
      @UziiTube Год назад

      I wish they got rid of the tod cleave talent. so much dumb cheese to inflate rankings

  • @carsonkitt7651
    @carsonkitt7651 Год назад

    assassination needs the some type of buffs arms got its so tiring being one of the only specs that has to talent into doing either good aoe or single target. The spec doesn't do the best cleave or single target WHAT the fuck is its niche? just to be shit? 2800 io assa main but its just same shit different xpac

  • @MorionAikanaro
    @MorionAikanaro Год назад +1

    that awkward moment, where survival gains 25% more parses and is still 1/5th of the next spec...

    • @justincrook6942
      @justincrook6942 Год назад

      Had two on my Heroic PUG yesterdarsay, and they both were near top.

    • @leaflotus6726
      @leaflotus6726 Год назад +1

      Ye survival not even bad, I think it's literally a skill issue.

    • @MorionAikanaro
      @MorionAikanaro Год назад

      @@leaflotus6726 its because its a melee spec and people who rolled hunter want to play ranged. survival has been the lowest spec played (except that one patch where it was op broken) since they changed it to melee.

  • @rdr2203
    @rdr2203 Год назад

    idk why
    every time every patch uh dk b or c tier
    i love sl start uh dk S tier and after 2 week getting nerfed to b

  • @juliocerda3378
    @juliocerda3378 Год назад

    Feral changes not really my favorite tbh but I guess they could off been worse

  • @XavoMedia
    @XavoMedia Год назад +3

    Survival Hunters: "Why are we here? Just to suffer?"

  • @StoovTV
    @StoovTV Год назад

    Its weird, I kind of liked the assasssination changes but oof dropping that many ranks hurts

    • @alp_altinok3828
      @alp_altinok3828 Год назад

      its only because a lot of the raid bosses are AOE based, if you check boss damage logs assassination is near the top

    • @StoovTV
      @StoovTV Год назад

      I don't disagree with you there but unfortunately single boss fights without any adds or anything are pretty rare. I would say the specs that are currently at the top have easy cleave abilities without sacrificing much for their ST

  • @LieutenantMoustache
    @LieutenantMoustache Год назад +3

    It's pointless looking at the mythic tier list, because 90% of players wont ever even see past the first boss on mythic. Look at the heroic parses where the bulk of the raiding playerbase is and both ret and feral are in ther lower 1/3.

    • @mimcduffee86
      @mimcduffee86 Год назад

      Yeah, those less than 4k logs for ret on H Raz really tell the whole story considering not even 3% of logged H Raz kills were done by a ret, right?

  • @johnanton3207
    @johnanton3207 Год назад +3

    wanna be top dps? choose melee. thanks blizzard

    • @MrJonHimself
      @MrJonHimself Год назад

      Bottom 2 dps are melee

    • @grilledleeks6514
      @grilledleeks6514 Год назад

      @@MrJonHimself so are all the top ones. Dork

    • @MrJonHimself
      @MrJonHimself Год назад

      @@grilledleeks6514 I'm sure you thought you had a point there. I do appreciate the laugh though, even if it had to come at your expense.

    • @PanTheGu
      @PanTheGu Год назад

      Melee should be higher. Harder to play than ranged so there should be some reward to that. Can't just sit at the back of the room and lick the keyboard like hunters :/

  • @lucathemucca
    @lucathemucca Год назад

    I play assassination for most fights and it is very competitive. Just the AOE fights it sucks. But I just go sub for that.

  • @MrThordy
    @MrThordy Год назад +1

    So every melee is better then every range class

    • @PanTheGu
      @PanTheGu Год назад +1

      To some degree thats how it should be. Maybe not as big a difference as there is in some cases but ranged DPS are easier so should do a little less. Risk/reward and all that stuff

    • @MrThordy
      @MrThordy Год назад

      @@PanTheGu you cant say that in general. Fury is a joke in comparison to arcane as an example.

    • @PanTheGu
      @PanTheGu Год назад

      @@MrThordy I'm not talking about rotation but more downtime due to mechanics, tank cleaves that 9/10 gets spun around in pug groups like beyblades, etc. Theres just more to watch out for as a melee DPS compared to ranged where I start to doze off half the time

    • @MrThordy
      @MrThordy Год назад

      @@PanTheGu for avoiding mechanics thats true most of the time yeah

  • @randomrandom7208
    @randomrandom7208 Год назад

    Hybrids on the top, this is the end.

  • @AngryPomeranian
    @AngryPomeranian Год назад +2

    This meta is garbage. They force people to go back to melee, and if next raid won’t be melee friendly guilds will end up with 10 melee. Also keys are not range friendly for a long time so I don’t know what are they doing. If half of hunters/mages will go melee would it really be better?

  • @norwegiantacoeater9115
    @norwegiantacoeater9115 Год назад +1

    What a great expansion for the dev's working on the ranged specs, really hitting it out of the park....

    • @dan3370
      @dan3370 Год назад

      Ranged is always performing better after season 1.

    • @user-ws9di5kp9h
      @user-ws9di5kp9h Год назад

      Range is always Meta calm down

    • @annonono
      @annonono Год назад

      I mean, usually in MMOs rangeds have less dps cause they don't pay melee tax

  • @1Vannen
    @1Vannen Год назад

    12:20 out of pocket :(

  • @neekoohkumar4506
    @neekoohkumar4506 Год назад

    Blizz is always screwing over BM hunter and considering it the most popular spec played, this will result in huge unsubs out of frustration. Maybe they can change the name from BM hunter to RN hunter. RN standing for renewable energy as they are both fail.

  • @SP-v
    @SP-v Год назад

    Idk as a raider if i have ever looked at graphs the way you are doing to djudge if a class is viable or not. Boss dmg on Kurog is more important that overcapping on aoe blasters. Single target on dathea is super important. Some classes deal with the aoe and some with singletarget. That to value 1dps in aoe the same as 1dps on boss is kinda pepeg. Unless you are actively wiping to not hitting aoe dps checks. For example aoe on Eranog = 0 value.

  • @ervinfejes9942
    @ervinfejes9942 Год назад

    Its not unique , its a joke. We talking about 3 pure dps classes and they are nearly useless. SO wp blizzard.

  • @kailback1093
    @kailback1093 Год назад

    It's nice to see off meta classes start kicking ass, gives pugs less of an excuse to not invite someone purely off the spec

    • @XAn0nymousX0
      @XAn0nymousX0 Год назад +3

      Na, they'll just adapt to the new meta and only invite the new good specs. These people are npcs.

    • @kailback1093
      @kailback1093 Год назад

      @@XAn0nymousX0 it's a sad truth 😂

  • @Jaredius
    @Jaredius Год назад +1

    Maybe an unpopular opinion: hybrid classes should never be over pure dps classes in dps rankings. Jacks of all trades should be masters of tanking or heals….not dps.

    • @colinhaines7168
      @colinhaines7168 Год назад +3

      Specs should be good at what they are meant to do. Just because paladin can tank or heal doesn’t mean ret should be bad at dealing damage, it’s a dps spec. Same with all the other damage dealing specs who have other options.

    • @MuttleyGames
      @MuttleyGames Год назад +1

      in that case, pure dps should have worse defensives, sustain or next to no buffs and should rely on hybrid classes to provide it for them.

    • @sergiovaleriani5455
      @sergiovaleriani5455 Год назад

      hybrids speced as DPS doesnt excel in anything else than dealing damage, so your reasoning is really flawed.
      not like cause you can heal like 10% of you health casting a flash of light, or 30% using a word of glory, you should be nerfed as a dps lol if a hybrid dps could tank like a tank, heal like a healer and at the same time deal dps, i would agree, but that doesnt happen.

    • @Gunship888
      @Gunship888 Год назад

      No, this is a bad take. If you’re a dps role, you should do pure dps. Ret should do competitive dps to outlaw simply because they’re both dps roles - all dps should be within 1-2% dps.
      It’s not fun to play a dps and lose on dps simply for not being a rEaL dPs that’s so 2005 thinking.

  • @asderr77
    @asderr77 Год назад

    dk permanently c tier or below so nice blizzard

  • @captain_context9991
    @captain_context9991 Год назад

    They can DOUBLE the numbers for Destro and they still wouldnt be played much because the spec just doesnt work.

  • @olingambrell9260
    @olingambrell9260 Год назад

    where's the havoc dh love?

    • @pyroclastixx6969
      @pyroclastixx6969 Год назад

      Right? Our aoe is fine. Great even. Our ST? Needs a little love.

  • @commonsense82
    @commonsense82 Год назад

    Poor range

  • @patrickirrgang8496
    @patrickirrgang8496 Год назад +1

    Bro, on this point its just bullshit to put monk on last spot, you have to be joking.

    • @redmin3r311
      @redmin3r311 Год назад

      They don't do much on boss, mostly on aoe

  • @play_time477
    @play_time477 Год назад

    Nice magier still shit

  • @Trashman.exe.
    @Trashman.exe. Год назад

    worst ive ever felt as a mage, arcane feels terrible to play and inconsistant dps, frost cosistant but low, and fire is just all over the place

    • @Rudbeckbitten
      @Rudbeckbitten Год назад

      Mage is a weird class in dragonflight. Frost and fire have always been so fun to play, but these specs dont feel like mage anymore

  • @grabasliceandchillout9008
    @grabasliceandchillout9008 Год назад +1

    Dude arms isnt s tier you have to be trolling