As a composer, I LOVE the cimbasso for big, loud passages. Tuba is great, but very dark even when playing louder dynamics. Cimbasso just has that snap like trombones and trumpets, especially on short notes!
@@Turt3752 Pretty much, although sometimes on scores for big action movies you'll see both contra bone AND a couple cimbassi which is a bit overkill imo
@@ferretyluv yes they exist, they’re just generally ridiculous in my opinion as a low brass player. For all cimbasso’s faults I genuinely think that in all contexts that don’t require a glissando cimbasso is just better. Personal opinion
I love the cimbasso and am very jealous of you for having one. I find it interesting that it seemingly has none of the negative characteristics/associations of the valve trombone (stuffiness, intonation etc) despite being essentially the same instrument type just down a 4th or 5th.
Interestingly, it popped up on Reddit a week or two ago asking , if the cimbasso is essentially the valve trombone equivalent of the contrabass trombone, where is the prevalence of a valve bass trombone (bass bore and large bell). Turns out Thein makes exactly that, complete with 4 valves. I'd be curious how that plays compared to a tenor valve trombone.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention that the cimbasso has become very commonly used in film scoring. With how “uncommon” the instrument itself is, most people have definitely heard it before because of that.
It sounds like a cross between a tuba and a trombone. My dad says Verdi’s Forza del Destino is nearly impossible to play for 3rd trombone. I told him about the Cimbasso and now he realizes it’s because the part was written for it and not trombone.
I was playing BBb contrabass trombone alongside a tuba in a concert band and the color that we complemented each other with, the timbre, it was absolutely gorgeous and it provided such a wonderful foundation for the band. Everybody in the band loved it. I'm sure the Cimbasso would provide a similar timbre.
I never expected to encounter a sound completely novel to me in a a few bars of “Frosty the Snowman”, but then I clicked on this video. That cimbasso is incredible. It has the clean articulation of a trumpet, the tone and the punch of a trombone, and the pitch of a tuba. Truly a treat for the ears.
after reflecting I would like to play one of these. I played trumpet and baritone, seems around a midpoint of ranges to what Im used to. Neat how you described that the tuba's give more of a breathy foundational tone to the music but although this could not do that, it gave the opposite, more like a tromboneish or something type of ring. I hadnt herd one quite like it.
A surprising amount of modern cinema features cimbassi in its soundtracks! They are used to fantastic affect on suspenseful or “rougher” sounding passages demanding both presence and “bite” from the bass.
I've waited for this video forever. Such an unusual instrument, yet more mainstream than some of the oddballs you've featured, i was always surprised you hadn't featured it yet. Thanks for sharing!
When you make the part 2 video, would you give a full tour of the instrument? Like, what it looks like in the middle, at the bottom, etc. I'd be really interested in that
I would like to see how and if it breaks down. It would make sense for the upper section to be removable in a similar way to how a trombone's bell section comes off of the slide. However I can't seem to see such a screw coupling in the video where it would make sense to have one. If it doesn't come apart I can see how the case would need to be ridiculously large to protect such an awkwardly large and weird-shape if it were all one piece.
@@svbarryduckworth628it does come apart, you can see the screw holding the bell section to the body at about 0:46 , to the left of the first vertical brace for the bell.
Thank you for yet another interesting and informative video, Trent! Apparently, the name Cimbasso is a corruption of the abbreviation for the early keyed instrument you describe, the English Bass Horn (that looks like a premature Ophicleide), in Italian known as Corno Inglese di Basso, which was often abbreviated (handwritten at the beginning of the score to denote the instrument) as C.In.Basso and thus became Cimbasso.
About 10 years ago, Orchestra Hall in Chicago hosted all the low brass players from the major groups in the United States. When Ricardo Mutti say "this was Arnold Jacob's Chimbasso", the entire audience gave a standing ovation.
You have inspired me to have a wall in my basement dedicated to various brass instruments. I bet it's wonderful to be surrounded by so many instruments
Nice to see you on the screen again Trent. I never cease to be amazed at the creations of brass tubing combinations that have appeared in the planet. I imagine nobody makes Cimbassos any longer, but I may be wrong. I’d love to see the case.😋
When I was at eastman I got to play don harry's cimbasso in an italian opera overture. He had frankensteined the thing himself out of a marching baritone bell and a cut-down conn tuba valve section. It was so much fun absolutely honking on it lol
Remembering that awful time he dropped the contra bass trombone, I'm just about sweating with nervousness as I see Trent switch between hands holding the instrument and the had he is gesturing with.
I believe the bottom rests on the floor, so it would be harder to drop. Still, it's probably an expensive instrument, so care in handling it is important.
Thank you for providing such great content! As a bass trombonist, I’ve wondered how it compares to the bass trombone. I wonder how it directly compares to that Orsi Contrabass Valve Trombone you reviewed.
I kinda like cimbassos. If I had the money, I'd love to make a contrabass superbone. 4+ valves like a cimbasso (preferably compensating), but also a slide like a contrabass trombone. That would be awesome. I'd prefer silver/nickel plated with gold highlights, maybe
I have played Tuba a little bit before and I now own a Contrabass Trombone in F but I have never played a Cimbasso, but I would like to try playing one at some point and maybe buy one at some point but its hard to imagine that I would like playing it more than I like playing my Contrabass Trombone lol.
Random thing to say, but does anybody know where to find a good priced vanhanni bass trombone mouthpiece? I can't really find one, and i really need it for jazz band. Also, great video Trent
Pretty much. Verdi literally calls the Cimbasso part "Trombone Contrabbasso" The Cimbasso plays a lot better though, the contrabbass trombone is a bit ridiculous
It's always a treat to see a video from you in my feed. Hope you're doing well!
As a composer, I LOVE the cimbasso for big, loud passages. Tuba is great, but very dark even when playing louder dynamics. Cimbasso just has that snap like trombones and trumpets, especially on short notes!
Cimbasso is literally just if contrabass trombone was actually a good idea lmao
@@Turt3752 Pretty much, although sometimes on scores for big action movies you'll see both contra bone AND a couple cimbassi which is a bit overkill imo
@@Turt3752Contrabass trombones exist already, don’t they?
@@TiagoNugentComposer can’t have too much overkill when Tom Cruise is on screen
@@ferretyluv yes they exist, they’re just generally ridiculous in my opinion as a low brass player. For all cimbasso’s faults I genuinely think that in all contexts that don’t require a glissando cimbasso is just better. Personal opinion
I love the cimbasso and am very jealous of you for having one. I find it interesting that it seemingly has none of the negative characteristics/associations of the valve trombone (stuffiness, intonation etc) despite being essentially the same instrument type just down a 4th or 5th.
Interestingly, it popped up on Reddit a week or two ago asking , if the cimbasso is essentially the valve trombone equivalent of the contrabass trombone, where is the prevalence of a valve bass trombone (bass bore and large bell). Turns out Thein makes exactly that, complete with 4 valves. I'd be curious how that plays compared to a tenor valve trombone.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention that the cimbasso has become very commonly used in film scoring. With how “uncommon” the instrument itself is, most people have definitely heard it before because of that.
New Zealand composer James Verdi 😂. Oh how I love these videos ...
It sounds like a cross between a tuba and a trombone.
My dad says Verdi’s Forza del Destino is nearly impossible to play for 3rd trombone. I told him about the Cimbasso and now he realizes it’s because the part was written for it and not trombone.
Maybe it would play better on a superbone?
I'm a bass trombone player, and one of these is definitely on my instrument bucket list. I think they're fantastic.
I got a cimbasso a few weeks ago and love playing it.
Great! Splendid presentation ❤
I was playing BBb contrabass trombone alongside a tuba in a concert band and the color that we complemented each other with, the timbre, it was absolutely gorgeous and it provided such a wonderful foundation for the band. Everybody in the band loved it. I'm sure the Cimbasso would provide a similar timbre.
Studying 19th century opera (particularly the score to Rigoletto), and Verdi uses Cimbasso a lot. Thank you so much for this video!
Love it! Thank you for setting the record straight on Verdi's origin too.
That’s Joe Green to you!
Just waiting for someone to update Wikipedia using me as a source.
@@TrentHamilton I’ll get on to that now…
I never expected to encounter a sound completely novel to me in a a few bars of “Frosty the Snowman”, but then I clicked on this video. That cimbasso is incredible. It has the clean articulation of a trumpet, the tone and the punch of a trombone, and the pitch of a tuba. Truly a treat for the ears.
truly makes my day brighter when I see you've uploaded. I will never take your channel or content for granted again
after reflecting I would like to play one of these. I played trumpet and baritone, seems around a midpoint of ranges to what Im used to. Neat how you described that the tuba's give more of a breathy foundational tone to the music but although this could not do that, it gave the opposite, more like a tromboneish or something type of ring. I hadnt herd one quite like it.
A surprising amount of modern cinema features cimbassi in its soundtracks! They are used to fantastic affect on suspenseful or “rougher” sounding passages demanding both presence and “bite” from the bass.
Another great video from one of the best channels on youtube. Great instrument and interesting history. Thank you Trent, looking forward for part 2.
The cimbasso: a cool mix between a trombone and a tuba
Baritone: lame mix between a trombone and a tuba
I've waited for this video forever. Such an unusual instrument, yet more mainstream than some of the oddballs you've featured, i was always surprised you hadn't featured it yet. Thanks for sharing!
That’s a really cool instrument I’m a brass player and love the sound that it mkaes
That instrument is awesome!
I played baritone for a while in band and this cimbasso would have been fun to try
I've been wanting a Trent Hamilton video on the cimbasso for so long
When you make the part 2 video, would you give a full tour of the instrument? Like, what it looks like in the middle, at the bottom, etc. I'd be really interested in that
I would like to see how and if it breaks down. It would make sense for the upper section to be removable in a similar way to how a trombone's bell section comes off of the slide. However I can't seem to see such a screw coupling in the video where it would make sense to have one.
If it doesn't come apart I can see how the case would need to be ridiculously large to protect such an awkwardly large and weird-shape if it were all one piece.
@@svbarryduckworth628it does come apart, you can see the screw holding the bell section to the body at about 0:46 , to the left of the first vertical brace for the bell.
Thanks. It's hard to see on a phone screen.
@@svbarryduckworth6280:47
Thank you for yet another interesting and informative video, Trent! Apparently, the name Cimbasso is a corruption of the abbreviation for the early keyed instrument you describe, the English Bass Horn (that looks like a premature Ophicleide), in Italian known as Corno Inglese di Basso, which was often abbreviated (handwritten at the beginning of the score to denote the instrument) as C.In.Basso and thus became Cimbasso.
About 10 years ago, Orchestra Hall in Chicago hosted all the low brass players from the major groups in the United States. When Ricardo Mutti say "this was Arnold Jacob's Chimbasso", the entire audience gave a standing ovation.
Been waiting years for this video!
Tone sounding great Trent! I love the cimbasso, such a bold sound. I'd love to have one someday
Good to see you back!
“And that’s the different between an Eb tuba and an Eb cimasOOoOoOOOO-“
Saw one for the first time on the Vienna Philharmonic summer concert 2024. Cool!
Love me a cimbasso, had the use of one, a few years back. Wish I had one today. 😢
Very glad to see a new video from you Trent! Great quality as usual
You have inspired me to have a wall in my basement dedicated to various brass instruments. I bet it's wonderful to be surrounded by so many instruments
Nice to see you on the screen again Trent. I never cease to be amazed at the creations of brass tubing combinations that have appeared in the planet. I imagine nobody makes Cimbassos any longer, but I may be wrong. I’d love to see the case.😋
When I was at eastman I got to play don harry's cimbasso in an italian opera overture. He had frankensteined the thing himself out of a marching baritone bell and a cut-down conn tuba valve section. It was so much fun absolutely honking on it lol
So happy you are back! Greetings from Florida.
Please show the case in part 2.
That instrument looks amazing, very intimidating. You keep fueling my addicting to brass instruments.
I wish I saw the cimbasso more! I love the instrument.
I love the Jooly comforting sound of it, thank you for the video!
Love your videos, really glad to see you back on YT!
Wow! 🤩 What a contraption 😍 love it 😊
always great to see an upload Trent, always a highlight when theres a new video from you
Great to see you again!
lets hope we don't to wait years for a part 2!
French horn flashbacks 😂
I could not be happier about your recent content, Trent. Really awesome stuff!!
Nice to see you back in my feed Trent.
Remembering that awful time he dropped the contra bass trombone, I'm just about sweating with nervousness as I see Trent switch between hands holding the instrument and the had he is gesturing with.
I believe the bottom rests on the floor, so it would be harder to drop. Still, it's probably an expensive instrument, so care in handling it is important.
Congratulations! 🤗 Mattis Cederberg from WDR BIG BAND is cool modern cimbasso plaer, I really like him! ❤
One of my favorite instruments, ive always wanted one of these😔
I played the cimbasso in a marching band ,it was not mine ,I usually play the cornet and the trombone
Lovely video, always glad to see a post from you 😊
I never knew how much I wanted a Cimbasso!
Will you be doing a comparison between this and a standard compensating tuba in the future?
Good to see you back. Sometimes it’s good to take a break.
I've been waiting for this video for sooo long!
Thank you for providing such great content! As a bass trombonist, I’ve wondered how it compares to the bass trombone. I wonder how it directly compares to that Orsi Contrabass Valve Trombone you reviewed.
I kinda like cimbassos. If I had the money, I'd love to make a contrabass superbone. 4+ valves like a cimbasso (preferably compensating), but also a slide like a contrabass trombone. That would be awesome. I'd prefer silver/nickel plated with gold highlights, maybe
I love cimbasso. I have been wishing you would return. Are you back?
Heeey! Welcome back! Hope you're doing allright!
The Cimbasso is a big ol Contrabass Valve Trombone
That's a very interesting looking instrument.
It's similar to a trombone, but also vertical like a tenor horn
The perfect tuba substitute for a ska band lol
Interesting, thank you. I'd never heard of this instrument before.
You came back !* 🎉
Just had a quick google - wow, these things are expensive!
Can you put a bassoon reed on it and make a cimbassoon?
Only Trent could manage to compare the low brass section to a sausage!!! 😂
James Verdi. Joe’s little brother!!! 😂
I have played Tuba a little bit before and I now own a Contrabass Trombone in F but I have never played a Cimbasso, but I would like to try playing one at some point and maybe buy one at some point but its hard to imagine that I would like playing it more than I like playing my Contrabass Trombone lol.
Well this is pretty much a valve Contrabbass Trombone
Wow it probably cost as much to ship as it would cost for a person to fly from Alabama or wherever it was, to your place in NZ.
Fun. Need to continue to work on the similes, though.
I'd love to hear you play a range of sounds on the instrument, highlighting the range of sounds...
Just a general recommendation to check out Mattis Cedeburg some excellent cimbasso playing!
Random thing to say, but does anybody know where to find a good priced vanhanni bass trombone mouthpiece? I can't really find one, and i really need it for jazz band. Also, great video Trent
HOW DO U GET ENOUGH OIL FOR ALL THOSE INSTRUMENTS
How different is this vs a contrabass trombone as far as sound goes? I’ve heard both but not together.
😂😂😂straordinario il musicista neozolandese James Verdi😂😂😂 il grande GIUSEPPE VERDI che pretendeva il cimbasso e non il bass tuba
do you know what the additional up to 3 valves (to a total of 7) do on other cimbassi?
i luv the sound of that thing!
You should do a video on a piccolo french horn
Yey! Thank you for the video!
It looks like a bass valve trombone, but it probably was so unweidly to play, they bent the "slide" section down and put it on a pin hahaha
I greatly miss Trent Hamilton and wish him well. Moreover, I yearn for his return to RUclips.
So is this really just a contrabass valve trombone?
Yes. that's my 'take' on it as well. A Contrabass (Valved) Trombone in Eb, made into a very awkward shape.
Pretty much. Verdi literally calls the Cimbasso part "Trombone Contrabbasso"
The Cimbasso plays a lot better though, the contrabbass trombone is a bit ridiculous
can you do more videos with the cimbasso
James Verdi 😹
Have you used this horn in a Tuba Christmas event?
I had no idea that is how cimbasso is pronounced... I guess it makes sense though
Don’t break it like your contra I believe ☠️
As a (BBb) tuba player, the story made me very sad
What brand did you get?
Are you back? When was this posted?
Wonderful!
Cimbasso vs. Tuba vs. Contrabass Trombone.
What brands is this cimbasso?
Was it delivered with the mouthpiece you have there ?
Fascinating, Trent. Never heard of this beastie, and now O want one. Dangit
do a mouthpiece swap with a trumpet and trombone
As a euphonium player I want one. great video 2x👍
So kewl! Do you have any clips w/the brass band?
There is a short on his channel of him playing Christmas songs on the cimbasso.