Regarding the missing low Ab,, there's an Elgar piece (maybe the "Cockaigne Overture") where there is a pronounced Ab below the staff and it is given to the 2nd trombone, while the bass trombone just sits there. We were pondering why this was until I remembered the G bass with a valve and it's one unplayable note.
Your slide can be alarming to the Sax Section when we work on a small stage. One guy did a page turn for me. That's why we like to go out front to solo. It's not Ego, it's self preservation.
Could you possibly do brands that are famous for trombones, like King, Bach, and maybe Reynolds or Olds. It would be cool if you could also show your personal collection of instruments. Thanks!
All of the wind ensemble war horses were written until the mid ‘70s were for .500, .508, .525s horns, and SHOULD BE PLAYED on those instruments as the composer intended! At that time the .547 88H was considered a bass trombone. .547s for 1st & 2nds make a concert band sound the are playing slide baritones, or mush that gets completely lost amidst the euphoniums. Bring back small and medium bore straight tenors so the wonderful timber of the trombone section can be heard again. Much has been lost. 68 years on trombone to date!
@@okyouknowwhat they’re not saying that a .547 has the facility of a modern bass trombone, but instead that a .547 would be more appropriate for some older wind ensemble pieces.
Figure out what you'd be playing slide wise when playing the Holst suites . Holst was a trombonist, the bass parts are really written for G bass , it's bleeding obvious.
Shout out to Moomin Dave at the end! He actually owns several Gs, some of which I've played. The brass band contest was on Eric Ball's Festival music, which Dave's band approached from a period performance perspective so the tenors were also on small bore instruments. Dave has also experimented with G bass in big bands, which makes a surprising amount of sense in combination with peashooter tenors
I own and play a G trombone with D trigger in my local brass band, and I can correct the statement that you can't reach 5th or 6th position without the handle. In fact 6th on a G trombone is about as distant from the player as 7th is on a normal trombone (basically full extension for most people's arms) so is reachable holding the slide stay near the base of the handle. In fact, if I'm not playing in keys that require Abs or Dbs (rare in brass bands because the music is mostly flat) I won't use the handle much unless there's lot of fast passages (because the handle also helps move the slide quicker). It's definitely needed for 7th though! Looking forward to seeing a full revival of the G bass in a few years with instruments built to modern specs...
I've noticed that kind of bass trombone writing (referenced at 3:10) in Holst. In the Chaccone of First Suite in E-flat, the bass trombone part does not extend below D.
I was just a kid playing in the Blacktown District Brass Band in NSW Australia in the 60s and 70s. We had a G Bass Trombone player back then and I always thought its sound was far too whack whack and percussive rather than the sound I was getting on my larger bore Olds straight tenor Trombone which was far more rounder. We also changed from high pitch to low pitch around 1966 or so. Back then the band used B&H Imperials almost exclusively across all the instruments hence they would call themselves The Imperial Brass when doing Club concerts although later they were told they couldn't use that name since it implied having royal assent. I changed to the Olds because I wanted the larger bore with the better tone quality and the greater dynamic range.
I play bass bone in my high school band, and mine is setup to have an f trigger and a g trigger (not Gb), which makes even the existence of a G trombone useless.
Wow~~ I had so many questions about the trombone when I learned how to play it. Thank you!! I now know the reason why valve are added. Why G bass trombone faded out. Why the bore size is larger!! But still I have other questions like: 1. If the note B1 is needed, why not single valve Bb/E or Bb/Eb not double independent valves Bb/F/Gb/D or Bb/F/G/Eb. 2. Why German trombone now is 0.551. 3. The cylindrical bore gives trombone a unique sound, why now many trombones are 0.547/0.562 dual bores (bass are 0.562/0.578 dual bores) or slightly conical. 4. If 0.547 is that good, why 0.5 and 0.525 exists. It seems even only the history of bore size is already fascinating!! Back to the video, if 0.484 G bass trombone is not good, why not 0.562 G bass trombone. 🤣🤣🤣
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Regarding the missing low Ab,, there's an Elgar piece (maybe the "Cockaigne Overture") where there is a pronounced Ab below the staff and it is given to the 2nd trombone, while the bass trombone just sits there. We were pondering why this was until I remembered the G bass with a valve and it's one unplayable note.
If you have every marched in the front corner of a marching band, you'd understand the concept of "kidshifter".
Your slide can be alarming to the Sax Section when we work on a small stage. One guy did a page turn for me. That's why we like to go out front to solo. It's not Ego, it's self preservation.
@@derycktrahair8108 seriously! The worst you can expect is a little "condensation "...unless we want to pass you off. Just be nice to us!!! Lol
Could you possibly do brands that are famous for trombones, like King, Bach, and maybe Reynolds or Olds. It would be cool if you could also show your personal collection of instruments. Thanks!
absolutely!
All of the wind ensemble war horses were written until the mid ‘70s were for .500, .508, .525s horns, and SHOULD BE PLAYED on those instruments as the composer intended! At that time the .547 88H was considered a bass trombone. .547s for 1st & 2nds make a concert band sound the are playing slide baritones, or mush that gets completely lost amidst the euphoniums. Bring back small and medium bore straight tenors so the wonderful timber of the trombone section can be heard again. Much has been lost. 68 years on trombone to date!
A 547 is too right to really have the facility of a modern bass
@@okyouknowwhat they’re not saying that a .547 has the facility of a modern bass trombone, but instead that a .547 would be more appropriate for some older wind ensemble pieces.
Figure out what you'd be playing slide wise when playing the Holst suites . Holst was a trombonist, the bass parts are really written for G bass , it's bleeding obvious.
Shout out to Moomin Dave at the end! He actually owns several Gs, some of which I've played. The brass band contest was on Eric Ball's Festival music, which Dave's band approached from a period performance perspective so the tenors were also on small bore instruments. Dave has also experimented with G bass in big bands, which makes a surprising amount of sense in combination with peashooter tenors
I own and play a G trombone with D trigger in my local brass band, and I can correct the statement that you can't reach 5th or 6th position without the handle. In fact 6th on a G trombone is about as distant from the player as 7th is on a normal trombone (basically full extension for most people's arms) so is reachable holding the slide stay near the base of the handle. In fact, if I'm not playing in keys that require Abs or Dbs (rare in brass bands because the music is mostly flat) I won't use the handle much unless there's lot of fast passages (because the handle also helps move the slide quicker). It's definitely needed for 7th though! Looking forward to seeing a full revival of the G bass in a few years with instruments built to modern specs...
I've noticed that kind of bass trombone writing (referenced at 3:10) in Holst. In the Chaccone of First Suite in E-flat, the bass trombone part does not extend below D.
I was just a kid playing in the Blacktown District Brass Band in NSW Australia in the 60s and 70s. We had a G Bass Trombone player back then and I always thought its sound was far too whack whack and percussive rather than the sound I was getting on my larger bore Olds straight tenor Trombone which was far more rounder. We also changed from high pitch to low pitch around 1966 or so. Back then the band used B&H Imperials almost exclusively across all the instruments hence they would call themselves The Imperial Brass when doing Club concerts although later they were told they couldn't use that name since it implied having royal assent. I changed to the Olds because I wanted the larger bore with the better tone quality and the greater dynamic range.
I play bass bone in my high school band, and mine is setup to have an f trigger and a g trigger (not Gb), which makes even the existence of a G trombone useless.
Large bore trombones aren’t “just plain better”: they sacrifice character of tone on the altar of loudness.
Wow~~ I had so many questions about the trombone when I learned how to play it. Thank you!! I now know the reason why valve are added. Why G bass trombone faded out. Why the bore size is larger!! But still I have other questions like: 1. If the note B1 is needed, why not single valve Bb/E or Bb/Eb not double independent valves Bb/F/Gb/D or Bb/F/G/Eb. 2. Why German trombone now is 0.551. 3. The cylindrical bore gives trombone a unique sound, why now many trombones are 0.547/0.562 dual bores (bass are 0.562/0.578 dual bores) or slightly conical. 4. If 0.547 is that good, why 0.5 and 0.525 exists. It seems even only the history of bore size is already fascinating!! Back to the video, if 0.484 G bass trombone is not good, why not 0.562 G bass trombone. 🤣🤣🤣
anyone know the piece at 9:02
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