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  • Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
  • I was recently given this Besson and Co Prototype "Class A" G Bass trombone, and had to show you all. The serial number is 9810, meaning it was made around 1910 or 1911.
    Check out my other video on the G Bass Trombone here: • The G Bass Trombone - ...
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  • @seanshawn5650
    @seanshawn5650 5 лет назад +88

    And this is cleaner then the 20 year old trombone in my school band....

    • @chriskowalski7038
      @chriskowalski7038 2 года назад +1

      I played an Olds (That's the name)trombone..It was rusty and even stinky but had a gorgeous tone that l could never duplicate..

  • @nicholastrombone9899
    @nicholastrombone9899 7 лет назад +184

    The sleeve of pealed cow I laughed so hard at that

  • @shadowism1
    @shadowism1 7 лет назад +243

    Great, now lets not drop this one.

    • @Stephenp503
      @Stephenp503 5 лет назад +4

      idiocy gxx plastic trombone would be fine if you drop it.

    • @kenzieford3612
      @kenzieford3612 5 лет назад +6

      I think if I pulled that (especially ON THE INTERNET) I would fake my own death and never show my fave in society again. And I CERTAINLY wouldn’t put the video of myself KILLING such a horn ON RUclips!

    • @bappyandrick8336
      @bappyandrick8336 4 года назад +1

      @@kenzieford3612 your a man horn lol get it saching

  • @alasdairmcleod
    @alasdairmcleod 5 лет назад +37

    I have had the opportunity to play a G bass trombone - more years ago than I care to admit. It belonged to a fellow jazz trombonist who had it as a rather large toy. I don't know how old it was and don't remember if it had any counterweights but, by the sake token, it was quite comfortable to hold. I do remember that it played well although the use of the handle on the slide was a little disconcerting for a B flat tenor player like me.

  • @maskedgamer1920
    @maskedgamer1920 6 лет назад +65

    6:20 you're welcome

    • @liammartin9222
      @liammartin9222 5 лет назад +9

      Not all heros wear capes

    • @modithorsonn
      @modithorsonn 4 года назад +5

      @@liammartin9222 they wear masks 😉😂

  • @chrismoody1342
    @chrismoody1342 5 лет назад +6

    I’m the owner of very fine 1929 King Liberty trumpet. Coming up on a 100 yrs. It was played and passed thru my mothers hands and three brothers. Me being the most accomplished, was given stewardship of it to keep and safe guard. It is displayed in a prominent place in my living room.

  • @a_literal_brick
    @a_literal_brick 7 лет назад +31

    I feel sorry for anyone who ever had to play one of these

  • @MrBrianhanchett
    @MrBrianhanchett 2 года назад +5

    My Dad played one of these(n=made by SA) complete with case in Chelmsford SA band Thro from about 1939 -1962 his dexterity with the handle sometimes amazed me transferring from hand held to stick held .Quaver runs such as in Eric Balls 'King of Kings 'was good. But I believe the bottom range was not as low as the modern triggered bass trom.
    I must say he taught my brother & myself to play trombone & we played trombone trios in the band. I am now 77 & dad & Douglas are no longer here but I feel privileged to learned my music from this fine musician. I wish could have added a photo to show you the three of us in 1960 with the peanut shooter troms

  • @trevors3908
    @trevors3908 7 лет назад +60

    Never seen one outside of your videos. Seems like a cool trombone though.
    10/10 case too.

  • @MAXYISSICK
    @MAXYISSICK 7 лет назад +17

    These are what we're played in brass bands by bass trombonist before triggers where a thing. The slide was longer to get the lower notes hence the handle. My uncle played one and called it a "Kiddie Shifter"

  • @davidboag2940
    @davidboag2940 5 месяцев назад

    I started my brass band career in Greenock Citadel SA Band (Scotland) in the 1950's and we had a fabulous G trombone player in a man called Bobby Hoey. I will never forget the sound of Bobby in full flight. I retired from banding in 2023. Thanks for the video, brought back many good memories.

  • @christopherdwane2844
    @christopherdwane2844 7 лет назад +25

    Hi Trent. It may interest you to know that I use a G bass trombone regularly in my brass band (Liskeard Silver Band in Cornwall UK). The one I'm using currently is a very late model (1970s) B&H Imperial G bass with a D trigger to give it the same range as a modern bass trombone. I have been playing it non-stop for about 18 months now, before which I used an old 1938 model G bass that is fairly similar to yours. I'd say I can just about play it to the same standard as I can Bb trombone and have even used it in my University orchestra for certain works where it is authentic. The more modern example has a medium bore with a European (Euphonium) shank mouthpiece so it is easier to play in a modern setting, but it still has that characteristic G bass "punch" which is impossible to get with a modern large bore instrument. It also works superbly for the older brass band and Salvation army literature, less so for some of the more "boring" modern repertoire where there are lots of sustained notes. I'll have to post some videos or audio clips of me using it as I've never seen a video demonstrating the G/D bass trombone on youtube. Thank you very much for your videos as seeing your first one on this instrument was what originally encouraged me to try it out, and it's been a hell of a lot of fun!

  • @TheSproutarian
    @TheSproutarian 7 лет назад +9

    Used to have one borrowed from the Brunswick city band. Blew well and had locks. Made my hands smell so brassy afterwards.

  • @Arthur-hg7ny
    @Arthur-hg7ny 3 года назад +1

    That slide handle is attached to the slide via a U joint. Same joint used in automotive steering technology. Really cool..

  • @thatoneguymccool1469
    @thatoneguymccool1469 5 лет назад +29

    Friend tells me to hold her bone
    Me: is the slide locked?
    Her: idk
    Me: so you just carried a 5k dollar dollar across the entire building hoping the slide was locked?
    Her: pretty much yeah

    • @foxsisters6257
      @foxsisters6257 5 лет назад

      Thatoneguy Mccool omfg me and my friend

  • @carlenger9707
    @carlenger9707 7 лет назад +12

    Every problem you listed were characteristic of old trombones.

  • @philipcarli3718
    @philipcarli3718 4 года назад

    I own and play an 1874 Courtois G bass trombone that I bought in the UK for 40 pounds. A friend of mine brought it with him to the US packed in a small chemical barrel! It had no case but was in excellent condition; I adapted a traveller's golf bag to act as a case, and after some minor refurbishment it plays very well. The instrument itself is lovely; when combined with narrow-bore tenors or in an alto-tenor-bass setup it has a very incisive sound and "fills" very easily. If you listen to early British orchestral recordings - really, all the way through the 1940s - you'll hear a very characteristic trombone section sound using G basses that blends well with the narrow-bore trumpets used then (as well as the lighter piston-valve French horns used until the 1950s). Sheer volume is somewhat restricted, but boy, they can really cut through thick textures when needed!

  • @maximeestevn5319
    @maximeestevn5319 7 лет назад +43

    I have a very strange rotary cornet that has European feel to it and looks very aged. It's very well made and the brass technician I talked to called it a piece of art, but it has no serial # no logo no marking whatsoever. Haven't found anyone who could identify it yet :/ so it could be my oldest but my oldest instrument I know the date of is a 93 year old Martin handcraft c melody sax.

    • @cameronm.7732
      @cameronm.7732 7 лет назад +1

      Wow, that's the same year my 1924 Buescher True Tone alto is from.

    • @nicholastrombone9899
      @nicholastrombone9899 7 лет назад +1

      Get in touch with him over his email

    • @carlenger9707
      @carlenger9707 7 лет назад +2

      If you're interested in sending it to him for a video or something else, email him at TrentHamiltonNZ@gmail.com.

    • @swedbander2709
      @swedbander2709 4 года назад

      Does it look like this: ruclips.net/video/Xp-lhRkLVlE/видео.html ?

  • @dcallan812
    @dcallan812 2 года назад +1

    I have my Grandfathers euphonium from the 1920s. Heand his identical twin played in the pit band. Its not in as good condition as this it leaks all over but still I love it.

  • @jaiden4693
    @jaiden4693 6 лет назад +1

    Hey Mate, I've played a G Trombone before. It was a Salvation Army branded one. It was sitting in the instrument room at my corps. I thought it was great fun seeing as I've only played a Bb/F/Db

    • @TrentHamilton
      @TrentHamilton  6 лет назад

      Oooh, a Salvation Army branded G trombone? Any interest in sending/selling it to me?

  • @pjsshearer
    @pjsshearer 11 месяцев назад

    I started playing in Brass bands in around 1970 (I was 12 or 13) and the G Bass Trombone was still very much in use. I recall a Contest I attended and pretty much all the Bass trombones were G basses with the "bog handle". However, the Bass trombone player in the band I was in (Chertsey and Addlestone) got himself a Yamaha Bb/F instrument a year or two later and the G bones seemed to be disappearing. I was still at secondary school at that time and I noticed the picture of a Bass Trombone in a new text book was of a "modern" Bb/F instrument. I seem to recall the Tuning slide of the F side was long enough that you could pull it out and drop to G, but I could be wrong.

  • @artantme
    @artantme 6 лет назад

    Man, thanks for making these videos. I truly enjoy.

  • @Sambarbadonat
    @Sambarbadonat 6 лет назад

    Very neat that you caught the camera vibrating during the pedal tone. Thanks for the vids. Very interesting stuff.

  • @Anthony-vj1nu
    @Anthony-vj1nu 7 лет назад +2

    My oldest instrument was a Ditson Victory Boston, it was from the 1830's, thing was only worth $40 so i used it to create my duel belled trumpet, my oldest (surviving) instrument though is a Frank Holton Chicago Mellophone from 1906

  • @jerryreese914
    @jerryreese914 6 лет назад +1

    We had a player in our community band that had a Quad Slide Contra bass trombone. Four tubes on the hand slide rather than two.

  • @knowledgebase8841
    @knowledgebase8841 7 лет назад +13

    I have a 1917 German tenor trombone that also has a poor main slide seal. I think it is an iconic feature of many old trombones!

    • @carlenger9707
      @carlenger9707 7 лет назад

      Knowledge Base It is, actually! To think, Sackbuts were much worse!

    • @Haydn8oR
      @Haydn8oR 6 лет назад

      Knowledge Base around the time the Germans were "doing there thing"

    • @Metal-Possum
      @Metal-Possum 5 лет назад

      Loose and/or saggy is an iconic feature of many old things...

  • @mypantsareonfire420
    @mypantsareonfire420 7 лет назад +1

    Congratulations in advance on 30k subscribers!

  • @bettinajoseph3758
    @bettinajoseph3758 Год назад

    Looks very interesting this old piece
    Never played any other than tenor trombones

  • @trallfraz
    @trallfraz 5 лет назад

    Besson....YES!! I have a Besson Meha Bb trpt that was manufactured in France in 1952. I bought it off a guy that was selling it for his dad back in 1988 (only paid $500). His dad even had it silver plated. Has a monster sound, great projection, and brilliant tone for lead playing, slotted well high C to above double C, and had extremely fast valve action. The only problem was the bore size. It is .471 with the lead pipe being .363 to .463. Needless to say, after a 4 hour gig it felt like I climbed Mt Everest!! However, IT'S A KEEPER!!

  • @zacharycoronado6749
    @zacharycoronado6749 7 лет назад +2

    I actually have a Besson Oboe that is very very old. It's over 100 years old, as indicated by the fact that it is Triebert's système 3 style

  • @hbaker9295
    @hbaker9295 5 лет назад +1

    Been playing a GBass for, hellfire, 48 years now, the one I have now is 100 years old this year 2019 Still sounds cool and rasps wonderfully when I want it to. A 'bones a bone when all said. :) Right mouthpiece and a bit of practice

    • @TrentHamilton
      @TrentHamilton  5 лет назад

      I released a video recently where I played a trombone quartet with 100+ year old trombones, including a G bass trombone :)

  • @grahamhoofe9839
    @grahamhoofe9839 3 года назад

    Played G Trombone with a few Brass bands back in the late 70's Loved it the Echo off the buildings on Parades let everyone know you had a G in the band was a big hit a concerts when playing the Beatles Hit When I'm 64 LOL

  • @Chriss_Fishes
    @Chriss_Fishes 6 лет назад +1

    I actually like the sound of this instrument. It might not fit into the modern concert band or wind ensemble that well, but I think it's an interesting color. Plus, the fact that it's in G would be a cool thing to learn!

  • @brianpartington5206
    @brianpartington5206 7 лет назад

    Wow, that looks exactly like the one I tried to play back in 1963, bandmaster tried me out on that and a few instruments after moving up from the YP band also played 2nd trombone for a few years, baritone, then ended up on the 1st cornet for a while.

  • @BrashNZ
    @BrashNZ 7 лет назад

    Trent, I played a G trombone for a short while (maybe a year or two) just over 40yrs ago.
    Back then it was fun to be the only player in the band on one instrument, and still is to some extent when I get to play Bass Trom.
    What I have noticed recently is the difference in the written music; Any time we play marches written for a G, the music sits very high on the stave whereas more recent music is written much lower, often down to the pedal notes.
    Just take a Bass Trombone "Favourites" book from your music cupboard and you'll see what I mean.
    Also I'm looking for some advice so will PM you tomorrow on Facebook.
    - Ashley
    ( - PNSAband)

    • @TrentHamilton
      @TrentHamilton  7 лет назад

      Hi Ashley, thanks for your message. My granddad played G trom for around 40 years, although I've never taken the time to work on memorising the positions.
      Will you be coming down to the Brass on Fire in September? Perhaps I'll see you there - if I haven't mis-interpreted the PNSA acronym.

    • @BrashNZ
      @BrashNZ 7 лет назад

      Yes. Was hoping to talk to you then, but I don't want to wait that long. Been meaning to contact you for a while so I'll get onto it tomorrow if I can. I'll PM you, as I said and we can go from there.
      I'm also playing B/T in Seniors - we're in Levin this Sunday.

    • @ComatoseRat
      @ComatoseRat 7 лет назад

      Trent Hamilton I literally have no clue how to play trombone, but I want to learn how to play all of the brass instruments, I play trumpet currently, arent tuba, baritone, main French Horn, and trumpet fingerings all the same?

    • @carlenger9707
      @carlenger9707 7 лет назад

      Andrew Walker French horn fingerings aren't, but everything else you listed is.

    • @BrashNZ
      @BrashNZ 7 лет назад

      Hi Trent; Sorry we didn't get a chance to catch up at Brass On Fire.
      Re. the case for this G Trombone; That type of case was fairly common for those early trombones as fro many brass instruments (try getting an old BBb bass out of a similar case!).
      But my 1906 Conn tenor has a conventional "modern" case - two halves, hinged and lockable with each side fixed in place (or would have been when new - those swivel toggles usually become loose over the years).

  • @renaissancejuan
    @renaissancejuan 5 лет назад

    I love music and trombones especially (for obvious reasons, like Trent would say.) But I also have a huge passion for cars. When I saw the handle using a universal joint I was like whattttt.

  • @christhorp8410
    @christhorp8410 2 года назад

    I used to play one in the 1960s. Progressed to a modern instrument on going to the Northern College of music in Manchester.

  • @jerryreese914
    @jerryreese914 6 лет назад

    First time I ever saw a G Bass Trombone was in a Brass Band from Australia. The slide handle kicker didn't have the rotating feature on it.

  • @polariceplayz5436
    @polariceplayz5436 5 лет назад +6

    Wow. This trumbone is 118 years old and it looks better than my bandmate isaac's trumbone

  • @GamerTime_2002
    @GamerTime_2002 7 лет назад +8

    jeez with such a small bore I wonder how they expected anyone to get petal tones out

  • @jtecB
    @jtecB 6 лет назад

    Yes I use one regularly for the Salvation Army here in the UK. March with it too. - Class A Besson & Co "Prototype" 198 Euston Road LONDON. No. 6236. Looks almost identical to yours except there is I assume an aftermarket counterweight on the tuning slide. It does flex a lot, you have to really know the music you are playing because the book moves so much you can't focus properly on those runs of quavers. Really enjoy playing it though and like you said the slide is effortless. Kind of cool to know you are possibly the only person in the world at that moment playing G Trombone.

    • @TrentHamilton
      @TrentHamilton  6 лет назад

      Thanks for your message. That's absolutely fascinating, which corps do you play with? My grandfather played G bass trombone for 40 years and I'm a 6th generation SA bandsman.

    • @jtecB
      @jtecB 6 лет назад

      Well I'm between corps currently. I was Bandmaster in Pontypool in South Wales until recently, we don't live in the town and with a young family had to make the decision to move to a closer corps. Cwmbran we are at, at the moment. I shall be out with them tomorrow for our Remembrance march. I enjoy your videos, keep them up. The G trombone was nicknamed "Kidinippers" (I think that's the word) in the north of England because if over zealous young teens were getting too close to the band, the slides length would catch them unaware and clip them generally across the head. What corps do you attend and what part do you play?

  • @Xzyum00
    @Xzyum00 7 лет назад

    I have never seen one outside of your videos. It's pretty cool

  • @bivalveblue
    @bivalveblue 4 года назад

    That's awesome :)
    I actually have a Bb cornet that was owned by my Great Great Grandfather from around the late 1800s.

  • @THines-el9wl
    @THines-el9wl 7 лет назад +1

    luv this. great video!

  • @steamedjams1633
    @steamedjams1633 Год назад

    I got to play one of these a few years ago as our band room happened to have one, felt very ill the next day so I checked and inside the slide was coated in thick green gunk 💀. Fun to use the handle mechanism nonetheless 😁

  • @michaelwhite6222
    @michaelwhite6222 6 лет назад +1

    +Trent Hamilton I know I'm a little late to the party here but I was lucky enough to pick one of these up off ebay recently! It's a Boosey & Co class A, serial no 81110, which a cursory googling tells me puts it at roughly the same age as yours. I too feel the wobble, particularly out in the nether positions. Here's a demo if you're interested: ruclips.net/video/CaYyL9RGxys/видео.html

    • @kypiper
      @kypiper 3 года назад

      Nice videos btw. trying to get a G bass trombone discussion group going here: facebook.com/groups/323871645279752

  • @aidanhowgate5437
    @aidanhowgate5437 5 лет назад

    I've played a boosey and hawkes imperial G/D bass trombone, great fun.

  • @douglasfur3808
    @douglasfur3808 7 лет назад

    I bought one once. Like your Sousa phone shaped object of Indian manufacture you reviewed, it was an inexact copy of an old Benson. A complete failure as a musical instrument but it's role was to add some bling to a wedding band and any notes played were a bonus. I did find someone to buy it in spite of its short comings. I still see "too good to be true horns" on sale online. It's no fault of that Indian band tradition but those who buy low and sell them as real instruments are bound for some lower regions of the nether world.

  • @Saxshoe
    @Saxshoe 7 лет назад

    I just realized that this horn isn't the usual G bass you show us!

  • @jonathantitterton9455
    @jonathantitterton9455 7 лет назад +3

    I have a Besson and Co Prototype "Class A" Baritone horn but I can't locate the serial number to date it. I believe the person I bought it off said it was from 1910

  • @nigelbaldwin752
    @nigelbaldwin752 5 лет назад

    very entertaining and fun thanks !

  • @thatoneguymccool1469
    @thatoneguymccool1469 5 лет назад +6

    I was more interested in the French horn trumpet thingy you had behind you on the right

    • @alexlane3217
      @alexlane3217 5 лет назад +1

      Its a fumpet

    • @MisterHunterWolf
      @MisterHunterWolf 5 лет назад

      Mellophone maybe?

    • @Markworth
      @Markworth 4 года назад

      It's called a Mellophonium, nooblets. Honestly, it's not really that interesting of an instrument. It looks amazing and it's really fun to play if you know how to bully it. That's about it, though. The tone quality is average and if you can't blow-to-pitch, don't even bother. The pitch center is a mile wide. Great for playing that old fashioned sloppy jazz. Bad for noobs that have never even played a Flugelhorn.

    • @pauls5745
      @pauls5745 4 года назад +1

      oh I thought it was a tenor Cor?

  • @sethwatson4549
    @sethwatson4549 7 лет назад +2

    Great video and no I didn't even know it existed

  • @georgeslemmens1879
    @georgeslemmens1879 5 лет назад

    I have a G bass trombone from Boosey&Hawkes. Silver plated with engraving and embossing. From the sn I recon it was made in 1937-38.

  • @putnumbill
    @putnumbill 2 года назад

    I played a bass Sackbutt. It had the extender handle. Interesting to play but it was a solid piece.

  • @christiangibbs1482
    @christiangibbs1482 6 лет назад

    Cool historical piece! But it would be tricky to play, I imagine, because it is so fragile, it could come apart on you while you play. It's amazing how good shape it's in, considering it's been around for over a century. And considering the case is crap! Thanks for sharing this cool thing with us.

  • @DuncanWeiner
    @DuncanWeiner 7 лет назад

    Although I do not have a G bass trombone, I do have a tenor trombone from a very similar date as this. Its bell is very small, and the mouthpiece it is intended to be used with, as with yours, is very shallow. Further, like yours, it has no screw connecting the bell segment and the slide segment, and must thereby be held together while playing. Unlike yours, however, it has two metal spikes at the far end of the slide pointing towards the hands. The slide hardly functions anymore due to its age and prolonged lack of use, but I'm hoping to get it fixed up soon.

  • @MrDeathmazter
    @MrDeathmazter 7 лет назад

    My marching band went to a football game and the other band was out marching on the field. One of the other band's trombone players was swinging a g nass trombone around like it was nothing

  • @chickafila.thechicken5222
    @chickafila.thechicken5222 7 лет назад

    I recently got my uncles ytr 4320st. Its not super old, but it has little to no bracing. It also has a trigger.

    • @carlenger9707
      @carlenger9707 7 лет назад

      chickafila. thechicken Interesting! What key is it in again?

    • @chickafila.thechicken5222
      @chickafila.thechicken5222 7 лет назад

      normal B flat. Its nothing too old. Around 1980s or something. There is only bracing that connects the bell to the lead pipe and valves and a small one on the third tuning slide. That's about it! ( a total of 3). Its silver with smaller finger buttons but its a pretty heavy weight trumpet! I am currently using it for marching band as well.

  • @romansans1581
    @romansans1581 5 лет назад +1

    That 110-year-old Trombone is in better condition then my 5-year-old Trombone.

  • @jeffreycraven8154
    @jeffreycraven8154 4 года назад

    My next to oldest slide trombone is a 1878 G Maj. Courtois, of beautiful museum quality. Bought it out of curiosity; What a narrow bored & original raw brass slide not enjoyable to play. Did play it once or twice around 2002, otherwise it resides in a display case because it is a visual work of art.

    • @jeffreycraven8154
      @jeffreycraven8154 4 года назад

      Also have a Courtois trombone from circ. 1890 of museum quality with interchangeable tuning slides that change it from G to B flat, also with a raw brass slide. Not enjoyable to play due to the antiquated slide and also another pea shooter.

  • @benfleishman2944
    @benfleishman2944 7 лет назад

    Cool find!

  • @musicalguy9
    @musicalguy9 4 года назад

    My great uncle had a friend who has a bass in g trombone

  • @evan12697
    @evan12697 7 лет назад +3

    Definitely would play better if the slide was restored. That's like leaking valves when the platings worn off

  • @brasschick4214
    @brasschick4214 4 года назад

    When I first joined a band in the 1980s we had a G trombone player.

  • @stevewaters449
    @stevewaters449 5 лет назад

    I am very surprised you think a G bass trombone is such a strange instrument. My Uncle played one in the Newton Abbot Salvation Army Band, UK, at least until the 1970s, possibly 1980s. In the 1970s I was a member of HM Welsh Guards on a Holton TR181 Bflat-F-Eflat double trigger bass trombone. (Although not strictly bass trombones, but wide bore tenor trombones, triggers were common well before then.) However, my colleague in the Irish Guards played a single trigger G-D bass trombone, not sure of the make. My Uncle also had custody of my Grandfather's Boosey Eflat bass trombone, at a guess the same age as your G, BUT it had no triggers, instead a unique experimental system of cords, springs and pulleys, which sent a slide out behind you when you played the usual forward slide. The idea being that it would shorten slide positions - clearly it never caught on, and only a few were made. It is now in the Salvation Army Museum in London. When I was about 10 or 12 years old he got it out for me to play(I have a photo somewhere). Also Douglas Yeo, Boston Symphony Orchestra, rtd, wrote an extensive article on it for the British Trombone Society. I bet you'd love to try that one!

    • @TrentHamilton
      @TrentHamilton  5 лет назад

      Hi Steve, it’s a strange instrument these days, but it once was standard. My grandad played G trombone for 40 years, and my earliest experiences with brass bands is sitting next to him whilst he played.

    • @kypiper
      @kypiper 3 года назад

      Steve: Would he by chance be playing the G Bass with the D Valve in this movie: left to right 3rd trombone player: ruclips.net/video/jtv4iN_ttmM/видео.html

  • @joybroyles7788
    @joybroyles7788 2 года назад

    Trent- How long is each section of that trombone? My favorite (which is in the shop getting new inner slides) trombone has a longer slide and shorter bell section than normal trombones, which makes the positions different too. It’s an H. N. White from the early 30’s. I couldn’t find a case for it so I redid one for it.

  • @shaundukes2843
    @shaundukes2843 7 лет назад

    Wow!!!

  • @joybroyles7788
    @joybroyles7788 3 года назад

    Two of my trombones were made without any locks. I don’t have a problem with it but it makes other people nervous.

  • @carlosreyes3528
    @carlosreyes3528 7 лет назад +9

    Could you do a review of the large bore plastic trombone that have an f attachment?

    • @nicholastrombone9899
      @nicholastrombone9899 7 лет назад

      It is plastic it is not good

    • @nicholastrombone9899
      @nicholastrombone9899 7 лет назад

      Oh yeah I forgot I watched that video they are decent enough

    • @Xzyum00
      @Xzyum00 7 лет назад +1

      One thing is for sure, they are FAR better than the metal ones for the same price.

  • @theofinkel5281
    @theofinkel5281 7 лет назад +2

    I've got an old J Higham G Bass; its in terrible condition. It doesn't feature the sophisticated connection from the handle to the slide that this Besson does.

  • @pauls5745
    @pauls5745 4 года назад

    very nice, today's horns are well balanced and durable where these old beauties were compromised and nothing about them is secured haha! even the cases. but hey, you probably could have bought this in 1912 for just a few pounds new

  • @ppoob899
    @ppoob899 Год назад

    still in better condition than a high school band trombone

  • @gyorgycziffra7762
    @gyorgycziffra7762 5 лет назад

    Ur my favorite tuber

  • @mrbigtbonevissoc
    @mrbigtbonevissoc 7 лет назад

    I've played on a G baritone before for a bit. Really messed with my head, not realizing it was a G horn and coupled with the fact that I was transposing the music I was playing.

    • @agogobell28
      @agogobell28 4 года назад

      Drum corps? The old G bugles are a fascinating bunch, some of my favourite instruments ever made.

  • @subzeroelectronics3022
    @subzeroelectronics3022 4 года назад

    Fun fact: that funny little mechanism on the slide handle called a lovejoy.

  • @oceanbackwards1903
    @oceanbackwards1903 7 лет назад

    I have boought a trombone made in 1880, though it is just tenor. The case is nearly identical to the one you have presented in this video as well. I just have one question: would you happen to know where to purchase trombone a mouthpeices with a bore of a standard trumpet bore, but with a tenor trombone cup? The trombone has a extremely small bore size, even dwarfing my 1920s jazz trombone. I cannot seem to find such an unusual mouthpeice anywhere.

  • @jdplaystuba
    @jdplaystuba 7 лет назад +2

    Can you review the Cecilio trumpet

  • @Creeperboy099
    @Creeperboy099 6 лет назад

    No wonder trombones are the oddballs of the wind instruments. That is why I wanted to play one

  • @TheM8Y87
    @TheM8Y87 6 лет назад +2

    i found a really old dirty trombone is my grandpas poll barn i can't really read everything super clear on it but it says master model de luxe Charles f triebert paris i looked up the name and all i could find is a metal clarinet and a a trombone for sale on ebay but i couldn't find anything else and the only number on it is 82 where the serial number would be but could someone please help me find out what it's worth and more info about the guy that made it i can send pictures if you want.

    • @the-brass-shop
      @the-brass-shop 6 лет назад +2

      The Roaring Rayquaza Please contact me. I know a lot about this manufacturer.

  • @sherry93175
    @sherry93175 6 лет назад

    "My Heart Will Go In" on Trombone

  • @kerrycoleman8395
    @kerrycoleman8395 5 лет назад

    If I took a shot for every time the letter “s” was said in any word, I’d die twice.

  • @nrschnitz2373
    @nrschnitz2373 6 лет назад

    What was the piece at the end of the video? Absolutely beautiful!

  • @GOICOBA
    @GOICOBA Год назад

    But can you throw it on the floor like the plastic ones?

  • @philipcarli3718
    @philipcarli3718 6 лет назад

    I have an 1874 Antoine Courtois G bass that seals up rather better than this Besson - brass inner slides and nickel-plate stockings. Trying to get the right mouthpiece for it is difficult, though; the tone in the low range should be able to support the trombone/trumpet choir yet "cut" as well. It's a tricky match.

  • @kadenmachardy8291
    @kadenmachardy8291 7 лет назад

    Hey Trent! I just had a quick question. Can you give me a little bit of information about your denis wick trumpet mouthpiece. Do you recommend it?

  • @vinniejohnson9248
    @vinniejohnson9248 7 лет назад

    the sound of this old trombone is not so bad.

  • @lstockl5901
    @lstockl5901 7 лет назад

    Are eb tuba mouthpieces smaller than Bb tuba mouthpieces. I have a besson 17sb tuba mouthpiece that doesn't fit in a standard Bb tuba but it kind of fits in a sousaphone.

    • @greatvib3s
      @greatvib3s 7 лет назад

      Bassoonist9 occasionally, an Eb or F tuba mouthpiece will be smaller than its larger BBb or CC counterparts. However, the question is the size of the mouthpiece receiver on the horn. There are generally 3 sizes (more do exist, but I don't recall all of them at this time); British, American, and Euro. These receivers can range anywhere from .490 in. to .580 in size. There is a more detailed post on tubenet here: forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?t=10390 basically, use calipers or have someone measure the size of the receiver for you, and find a mouthpiece with that size that has a similar bowl and rim to what you are currently using. Goodluck!!!

  • @hartleymartin
    @hartleymartin 5 лет назад

    Did you ever get that tuning slide unstuck?

  • @evanmisejka3913
    @evanmisejka3913 7 лет назад +2

    I have a 70 year old F.A. Reynolds trumpet that my great grandpa would have got after World War 2 that I want to learn more about

  • @jamesparlane9289
    @jamesparlane9289 7 лет назад

    Te Awamutu had a long term G trombonist until he passed away a couple of years ago. I think his was a b&h imperial. He was a clever and funny person. Can anybody tell us why the music for it is in the bass cleff? I don't know of any other brass music like that?

    • @mikesherline5433
      @mikesherline5433 7 лет назад

      The music for all bass instruments is written in bass clef - trombone, euphonium, tuba, cello, string bass, bassoon, contrabassoon - at sounding pitch. It's up to the player to adjust fingerings/slide positions when playing instruments in different keys. On this G bass trombone, 1st position produces the overtone series of G (GG-G-d-g-b-d-f(flat)-g etc.). On a modern bass trombone pitched in Bb, 1st position gives the Bb overtone series, adding the F valve, 1st position generates the F series, etc. Brass bands traditionally have all their parts written in treble clef, transposed. I understand this is because a long time ago everyone started on cornet (Bb treble clef) and when they transitioned to other instruments it was thought to be too difficult for them to have to learn to read the appropriate clef (bass) for the lower instruments.

    • @jamesparlane9289
      @jamesparlane9289 7 лет назад

      I'm not sure that is entirely correct. My father played a euphonium and that was in the treble cliff. I remember playing some of it. I had the idea that the G trombone was the only brass instrument with bass cleft music. I have no knowledge of orchestral instruments. Of course the woodwinds are in a go up of odds and ends that don't Ft with any others. It has been poited out before that they only jet qualify as instruments and 'music' is a bit of a foreign language to them, aye Trent?

    • @brettclark4096
      @brettclark4096 7 лет назад

      James Parlane The brass band writes for music all in treble clef, which makes it easier for players to switch between horns without relearning how to read music differently. I believe that there is not a single brass instrument in brass band that reads bass clef, including Eb and BBb tubas, but there may be an exception for bass trombone. The other person to reply is also correct, because traditional notation for bass istruments is in bass clef, with the tones heard being written. I'm needs band, Eb and BBb tuba players would have to read transposed parts to play in unison, but when written in bass clef, tubas of all keys read the same sheet to play in unison

    • @jeremytrenwith
      @jeremytrenwith 4 года назад

      I've recently purchased this G Trombone off the Te Awamutu Brass Band (I'm one of their occasional bass trombonists), it's a 1966 Boosey & Hawkes Imperial. Yes, Bass Trombone is the only brass band instrument reading in C in bass clef, that's how I get away with it.

  • @thomasyoung7615
    @thomasyoung7615 6 лет назад

    I have a 90 year old Elkhart Trumpet but it's so badly tarnished I wouldn't play it. It's missing a valve top (I'm not a trumpet player so I don't know what certain things are called). Also valves won't budge and the thing where spit comes out is broken (it won't connect) and the mouthpiece won't stay on for some reason.

  • @beilii
    @beilii 7 лет назад +1

    That moment when you play horn music on a trombone...

  • @justicenugent5388
    @justicenugent5388 7 лет назад +1

    I've never seen a trombone play a Mozart horn concerto...

  • @bchuang7516
    @bchuang7516 3 года назад

    hi Trent, just wonder if brass instrument will suffer from so call "metal fatigue"? like this 100+ yrs old trombone, is the tone getting worse as time goes by?

    • @TrentHamilton
      @TrentHamilton  3 года назад

      The metal doesn't have to change form (there's no repeated bending or stretching of the actual metal) so metal fatigue isn't an issue on old instruments.

    • @bchuang7516
      @bchuang7516 3 года назад

      @@TrentHamilton that helps a lot, many thanks.

  • @davidrockefeller2007
    @davidrockefeller2007 4 месяца назад

    My old brass band had one but it sucked. Now I find out these are worth a ton and it’s probably in the garbage.

  • @conlangknow8787
    @conlangknow8787 4 года назад

    Thicc trom🅱️🦴 lads

  • @p0ts571
    @p0ts571 7 лет назад

    When are you going to do a trombone mutes video

  • @malthuswasright
    @malthuswasright 7 лет назад

    Narrow bore doesn't surprise me. It used to be a characteristic of French brass instruments, and it meant that French orchestra brass sections had a very distinctive sound compared to the fatter sound made by German and US orchestras. (Also helped by copious vibrato, which was pretty much limited to French and Russian orchestral brass.) Now everyone makes wide bore instruments. And orchestras sound the same the world over.

    • @christopherdwane2844
      @christopherdwane2844 7 лет назад

      British brass instruments had equally small bores (I guess partly due to the shared heritage of Anglo-French manufacturers like Besson) but they weren't generally played with the same amount of vibrato as in French orchestras. The G bass trombone was an exclusively British instrument though as French composers didn't generally score for bass trombone (they scored for three tenors).

    • @malthuswasright
      @malthuswasright 7 лет назад

      Ah! I thought British instruments had more of a medium bore. But certainly less vibrato. Didn't realise the French didn't go for the bass trombone though.

    • @christopherdwane2844
      @christopherdwane2844 7 лет назад

      If you read Berlioz's treatise on orchestration from the mid 19th Century, he mentions that the Germans use F bass trombones and the British G basses but laments the fact that no one uses them in France.

    • @christopherdwane2844
      @christopherdwane2844 7 лет назад +1

      British instruments tended to have very small dimensions compared to German instruments (which became the models for most modern American designs). I mean the instrument that Trent is demonstrating here is a bass trombone and it only has a bell diameter of 7.5 inches, comparable tenor trombones of the time would have only had 6 inch bells. British manufacturers only really started to build larger instruments when American imports started to swamp the market in the 1960s- I have a Boosey and Hawkes tenor trombone from the mid 50s with only a 7.2 inch bell for instance. I also own one of the last G bass trombones to be produced, from the 1970s (with a D trigger) and although it is medium rather than narrow bore it only has an 8 inch bell which is still smaller than most American tenor trombones from the time. Even nowadays, British bass trombonists have a tendency to use slightly smaller instruments and mouthpieces than Americans, even though most of their instruments are manufactured in the US style.

  • @adampratt8276
    @adampratt8276 5 лет назад

    I'm in band and I use a G trumbone, if I could show you a picture for proof, I gladly would