All About The French Horn - Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2017
- Finally starting my series on the French Horn. In this video I talk briefly about how we got to the instrument we have today. Please feel free to comment with your thoughts.
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Welcome to the year 2020, we're in a pandemic, half the world's on fire, and we're all still waiting for part 2 of Trent's French horn series.
WE GOT IT WE GOT IT
Bruh 😂
The French horn. The only brass instrument that gets lumped together with the woodwinds.
rogermwilcox *cough cough* Trombone/Baritone/Euphonium=Bassoon/Contrabassoon/ Bari. Sax./Contrabass clarinet/
Also trombone euphonium trumpet tuba alto horn and cornet.
kinda like the Bari sax with low brass.
rogermwilcox I agree
FUN FACT: The horn is the only brass instrument in modern woodwind quintets.
By taking our hand and R U M M A G I N G up the back side of an instrument.
Indeed
all about french horn - part 2 - Year 2056
Alyssa Breaklight, lol to that.
Still waiting...
In that time you’ll probably have a band playing garage band instead of real instruments
Trent, please!
@@ilikepezles2436 Still Waiting
Finally Trent! I've been waiting for you to do the French horn as it is my primary instrument
Mel Held same
Mel Held you play the German horn, not French horn. French horns have piston valves like trumpets
is called french horn worldwide, even though its modern iteration is mainly german in design. Piston valves have never been a determining factor in the name of the insrument. If one were to get precise and nit pick about proper terminology, the instrument I own would be called a japanese german american french horn.
Rickstery nerd :)
Me too, the French horn is always forgotten
Okay, if you haven't listened to the intro with headphones you need to right now! It's sounds so good, and the sound travels from the left to the right and it's amazing!
Trumpet JoJo I hate it. Especially when one side of my headphones didn't work
Trumpet JoJo I also get a little scare that my headphones are broken on one side every time I hear it
Yeah ikr!!! I noticed after hearing the intro like 3 times... then i tossed on earbuds.... ah... satisfying.,
Trumpet JoJo I know it is amazing
Pretty cool.
Something that really helped me when I was learning brass instruments was putting every essence of my being into feeling a certain pitch. You then make your body produce that note through the instrument. This can also be achieved with just the mouthpiece, buzzing during your warm up. Horn players have to do this much more than any other brass instrument because of the harmonic series they are inflicted with. This can be helped with a mouthpiece that fits the player, and of course with how you hold your hand. That's not even really a requirement anymore, because of how well horns are made. But, in the end, all of the horn player's suffering is all worth is, because (in my opinion) horn is the best sounding musical instrument.
It sounds great when played correctly, but the second you fuck up it sounds horrendous.
That Contra Guy frr😂😂
Yep fingers one place, mind/lip another = a clam.
I don't think you've ever head a euphonium my friend
6:04 I'm glad French Horn players can contribute to society. LOL
As a self-taught 69-year-old French Horn player, I’ve got to the point I can play scales and simple melodies after only three months, and have seen this great video at least three times, like many, skewing the view count. If you are waiting on me to catch up so I can intelligently understand Part 2, thank you for your enduring patience as I think I’m there.
As a horn player, I appreciate you doing this finally. It is a very misunderstood instrument and I think it's nice somebody that's not a horn player typically is doing this.
Ya know what else is French? A baguette like me
The Baguette It was actually made in Germany
Hank__ Bk *originally
there is a French one he's just not showing it.
I agree
Watching this makes me think that the French horn must be the hardest of all the brass instruments to play, even Trent was struggling to play in tune. Love the sound of it.
For a composer who never blew into a French horn, this is very valuable info. Thanks for sharing!
Watching this video to celebrate part 2's release, It only took three and a half years guys calm down!
I heard that the instrument isn't actually called a French horn and that that was a misunderstanding of an article wrote about some horn players that were French, yet people read that as the instrument being a "French horn" instead of the musicians, lol
Nice to learn how the horn evolved over time to become what it is today and the tidbit on the Wagner tuba as well.
Cysubtor yeah its german
We call it : "cor d'harmonie" in french.
It originated as a hunting horn in the Germany/France/Belgium etc. area. They definitely did play it a lot in France, but it's kind of like French fries. We know they came from that area, but we call it french anyways.
And the English Horn isn't English.
The horn is in F so people so some people refer to it as F horn, not short for French but it’s the hormonic tuning of the instrument.
I only ever faffed about briefly on a single French horn in my school orchestra, which would have been about 3 billion years ago. I was also learning the tenor horn at the time and would eventually switch just to the trombone. I found the (undoubtably cheap) French horn mouthpiece very sharp on my lips when compared with the flabby sofa of a trombone mouthpiece and that's what put me off the most. It wrecked my embouchure for weeks. I would imagine it's challenging to be someone that switches between French horn and either lower or higher brass regularly. More so than alternating between just lower and higher brass. This left me viewing the French horn as an intestines-style coil of medieval torture and the trombone as a sluice pump. Perhaps that is just an outsider's perspective though.
As a double horn player, I am thankful for this video (although its a single horn) Because no one remembers french horn in the brass family. About time some light has shine apon the french horns
The way I was tought to play the proper pitches and to avoid playing the wrong note was to play the notes as if you were singing them. This sounds strange, but if you think about it when you are singing you arent concisely changing the pitch by thinking about how you move your body to produce the notes. It just comes naturally. if you apply this to your playing and trust in your instincts it helps, at least in my case. maybe it would be worth giving that a try. also another important thing is to practice recognizing the intervals of the notes when you play so that in a peice of music it is already in your mind what the note should sound like. based on the last note you played. Anyway im excited to see more videos on the french horn on your channel and i hope you get the repairs for your double horn funded.
Ian Stahl This is what I've done for ~3 years of playing horn, and while it has been very helpful, I've developed a bad habit of actually singing while playing. Basically, I often find myself playing a multiphonic with myself in unison, though very quietly.
My teacher also taught me to do this! It really helps...
"Sit down shut up and let's get on with it" I love this guy XD
yay finnaly you did the french horn!
my ears are very satisfied by your intro
2 mistakes: (1) the next harmonic isn't doubling the frequency of the previous one. (2) the French horn playing an octave higher doesn't mean that the harmonics are an octave higher, but that it uses higher rank harmonics (hence closer harmonics).
He literally said "the first one may bge 100 hz, then 200, 300, 400..." that's not doubling. He didn't say that lmao
@@rodrigosierra4322 2:59
he in fact says "is double the frequency of the 'interval' before it", which is even more wrong. But yes, his example after that is correct.
"so sit down and shut up and let's get on with it" 😂😂
I like this video, makes learning about French horn an interesting subject.
Thanks for this video. I think my old pitted student conn is the same model - I’m just getting back to playing and it’s refreshing to hear an accomplished brass player pretty much getting the same tone out of that horn that I do.
I’m playing mine Easter morning with some hymns along with my fifth grader on his trumpet and my eighth grader on the pipe organ!
A craigslist “frumpet” ad led me to a search that landed me on tour enjoyable videos. Cheers.
Just discovered your channel and I love it! Just the right amount of wit and sarcasm for me :)
I used to play this in band I loved it so much and I completely forgot about how much I over it and actually lots about it this has gotten me to love it again and interest me again
I've been watching you for over a year and I don't understand why I haven't subscribed to you for such a long time. Great content, Trent. I wish I could help you with the fund raiser, but I'm tight on money myself.
I knew these horns were different but not in what sense. Thanks for educating me!
Part 2? Please I play the French horn and want to know more
You need to make sure you mention stopping the horn, as well double horns, of course, and TRIPLE HORNS, as well as a stopping valve
(I play f horn)
Kevin Saum true so do I
I think many band directors (at least in my area) move beginners to double horn far too soon. The more you fiddle with valving, the less attention you have available for sound, breath, note placement, and pitch.
Robert Groover yeah but they tell most beginners to not use the Bb horn till you go too high or low. Plus some of the lowest octave is unattainable unless you got a double
Mexican Mayo - don't think your low notes point is right. All the notes are there on the f-side. It's the b-flat side (or a b-flat single) that is potentially missing some of the bass notes - but realistically these notes don't come up much (if at all in a beginner situation)
Same
I live for the day you do a 1:1 discussion with some guy with a deep-Southern US accent. "Valves" "Vavs" etc.
Could you make a part 2?
YES, FINALLY!
I got one of the small ones ( 1:17 ) but in my country its called a "hunting horn" because they are used to signal the hunters when you have to begin, when you have to stop, what kind of animals have been shot and so on
French horn pro tip- Don't press the mouthpiece so hard onto your lips. The horn makes a delicate sound thus you need to play gently. And when you press it up hard against your lips it takes more room in the mouthpiece. P.S. Super excited for more horn videos.
I play the French horn :) good to know its history
Richard XN Watch the US bands and explain it ,it goes more in depth
The US Army Band videos are great. When we're not carpet-bombing weddings and shit, we make great band videos. Very educational.
Richard XN same
"Rummaging up the backside of the instrument" - Ha haaa! I love your British choice of words. Accidentally discovered your videos tonite. Comments from an amateur horn player. Subscribing!
@Drillkicker Yes, I found that out while watching another of his videos and wrote him an apology, which he graciously accepted. (I think it was the double-bell euphonium video) Thanks! ( :^)
When I picked up the Horn it came natural to me (hahaha JOKES are great!). Even now I still fumble a little, but when I play I feel different vibrations and tension on my lips. Because of that I'm able to fine tune myself because I know how it feels no matter the octave. Like you said, you HAVE to be aware, even your hand position in the bell could screw up that gorgeous solo. So much to it and beautiful instrument. It's a very intense, but emotional instrument. It gets the message across in any form perfectly and it's great when you finally hit that G in Bass Clef or that horn stop you've worked hard to perfect!
Thanks for the information! I'll send my studio French Horn students this way!
Played French Horn in school, Flugelhorn in the Air Force. Two of my favorite instruments.
I’m an F horn player wanting to start flugelhorn. Any advice?
Heck yeah I'll support that horn!
I love watching these videos even though I don't have an instrument.
When is part 2 coming?
John Douglas mm
Never
it isnt
In the year e-48319494920230201040392939291919204960^32
Came out today!
Delighted to find out about the fist insertion in french horns
Always good to hear a kiwi F too
UK F = Eff
NZ F = Eiuffh (is nicer accent than much of UK)
I’m Uk and I agree lmao
I played the French Horn in my 8th grade advance band, its my favorite brass instrument. But now I play the bass guitar. F H will always be special to me!
I doubt you play bass guitar
It was quite fun switching from Tuba to Horn for my concert season in band. It was really a challenge, the only way you can get those notes right is to practice harmonic slurring. A lot. I had my first solo and it was awful.
Lovely video! Was coincidentally at a french horn recital this very evening where they "demonstrated" the natural horn with a homemade one made out of a long garden hose to play a part of one of Mozarts horn concertos. What looked like a normal garden hose fitting acted as a mouth piece holder for the french horn mouthpiece and a metal funnel as a bell, so that he could just use his finger to manipulate the pitch. It actually played in tune aswell, albeit sounded a bit thin. Anyway, great video as always!
Schmoege Good to have some hoseophone playing - impressive to hear they got the extra notes out of it! I do wonder though if they are more like natural trumpets, which would have a brighter (or if unkind, thinner) sound.
0:21 when you you get to band class and you walking around talking to you freinds then yhe bell rings and the teacher says...
SR-71 Blackbird. I see you're a man of culture!
First instrument i learned to play... i feel special
love the vids
This may be well out of your area of expertise but I was wondering if you had any experience with very old and no longer common instruments like the cornett (with two Ts) or the serpent? They're interesting instruments as they're part of the brass family but made of wood, and use finger holes like a recorder rather than valves or keys.
8:40 Slidey sounds are fantastic when they’re intentional - I’d love to hear some jazz with slidey French Horn 😎
I love your videos!
Do a part two, please, Mr. Hamilton.
In lots of french horn parts, you actually play on those lower harmonics and even lower, I understand that they are difficult to play though if you're not accustomed to playing low notes with a relatively small embouchure...
MeeGustaaaa Yep, lots of 2nd and 4th horn parts as well as solos will ask you to go way down there. Lowest I've ever seen was the second Ab below treble (though it was actually written as the first space in bass clef). Rather than puffing out my bottom lip, my lips tend to puff out the sides of the mouthpiece when I get below an F
Everyone has his own technique... Though I have to say you're certainly more experienced than me, I started playing about 8 months ago... :p
Jack G lowest I’ve ever seen in actual music was pedal a, so that means it’s the a below the base clef staff
3:26 area OMG THAT WAS AN EPIPHANY FOR ME THANKS TRENT
I tried (as trumpet player) a double French Horn too and I like something sounding like in LOTR or so. But in reality the instrument was rather stuffy and singing a slow tune on it was possible but so it just didn't sound like I wanted. Yet a horn is expensive. I get by now the impression that the Conn 8D gives more that majestic open and dark sound.
5:18 he has such a way of explaining things
😳
In high school band, I tried to be the guy that could play all the brass instruments. It turned out to be all except french horn, which I never got. I'm mainly a string player now, but 35 years after high school I got a renaissance cornetto and a solid 2 months of work and I could just barely play a badly-out-of-tune scale, and it took me back to trying to to learn French horn in the 80s. It all comes down to an incredible embouchure, I think. All other brass players just pretend to have good embouchure.
The French Horn is my favourite instrument. I was introduced to it by my music teacher Lt. Col. Sam Rhodes, who had been Director of Music of the Scots Guards. He was a pretty mean brass player. Sadly my parents couldn't afford to buy me an instrument, and in those days it was the only way I would ever get to play one. I'm now nearly 70 and just have to listen.
Ive spent near to three years on a French horn w/ a double horn though but I still have to figure out some little tweaks it is a interesting instrument I do say
Wow, I learned more about the French horn in 11 minutes than I did in the entire school year I played this in 7th grade! I thought I just sucked at it, but turns out it is a difficult instrument to master (and also the one I used in school needed major repairs, a fact I was unaware of at the time)
As I was coming from playing clarinet, I didn’t think anything about playing within the left hand, cuz that’s what I was used to anyway. If anything, that was the only thing that was easy to adjust to.
As a trumpet player, french horns scare me, having only attempted to play one, once, lol. At least this video helped explain why I felt so bewildered trying to play it XD
I’ve been told us and I can verify this from personal experience that one of the easiest transformation instruments to French horn is trumpet to Horn
Did you put anymore thought into what a good E-flat alto horn mouthpiece would be... thanks man. Love you content!
Thanks for this amazing lessons. I have one question: What are the pedal tones in Bb and F divisions on Double horn?
I tried one and there's a whole lot of partials down in there. At a local semi-legit music place/pawn shop/place for "bandies" to hang out between gigs. I think the mouthpiece than handed me was from shortly after WWII. Maybe one of Dennis Brain's old ones.
Good hornists, for that is what they are called, are in demand. You could do worse in life to learn it.
But like any horn, you have to have a good "internal ear" because as I like to say, if you don't know just where you're going, you might end up somewhere else.
1) Still waiting on Part II - Is it still on the schedule as of Sep 21, 2020?
2) Why does the French horn have so many alternative fingerings?
3) It is counter-intuitive to me why putting ones hand in the bell further would lower the frequency with a shorter wave path, can you explain why?
4) Would there be any utility in building a 2-stroke motorcycle expansion chamber based on musical horns and valves?
5) I live at an altitude of some 1700 meters. How should this affect the tuning?
6) I practice with a tuner. It seems like my horn goes sharp as I warm up. Is it me or the horn?
Thanks!
You are amazing 😱
Lets agree with the statement that the 2-valve soprano bugle is the 2-valve sopranino tuba.
could you do a video of you reviewing "off" brand euphoniums like jinbao or schiller. im looking to buy one but i dont want something that has tuneing problems
Still waiting for part 2!
I'm going from trombone to b horn so this video helps, now I know a bit more about what I'm getting into.
Should I switch to French horn km on trumpet but I don’t know if I should switch
If you look at horn players are always uptight because if they make one wrong move then everything hits the fan
I played the horn at one time and liked to call it "The Coil of Toil". Many years later I heard a trumpet instructor call the trumpet that. I said "not hardly as compared to the horn."
I’m actually a guitar player, not a brass player. However, I was given a French horn by a friend of mine, since I’m fascinated by its lack of usage in rock ‘n’ roll. Since a guitar player does all of the note fingering in the left hand, the position of the valves is not so unusual to me.
If only I could produce musical tones that are affected by touching the valves. When I blow into the horn and work the valves, one isn’t affected by the other.
Whenever I hear your outro music, I wonder if it's a chorale on "How Dry I Am".
Whoa there! "Not designed" to play the lower notes? As an orchestral French horn player I know first hand that we have to play those low notes and even lower all the time.
This guy is nice but he really doesn't know much about the horn -- not the use of the right hand, not the harmonic series, not orchestral music, or the trigger which is especially useful in both high AND low music. It's too bad he doesn't read up on the instrument first. There are a lot of good books on the horn.
Fun fact, modern horn is more of a German Horn than the French Horn.
Great! I love your vids as I am a composer - and I only play Strings - so your site is an invaluable rescource on Brass instruments. I am wondering why you have not got round to Part 2 Yet??
Hi Mark, I've been planning the part 2 video for a while, but I simply don't have access to the instruments I wish to demonstrate :(
Trent, I’m learning how to play the trumpet, can you give me some tips plz
When I saw this i clicked right away. I play French horn and all of my French horn friends call it the impossible instrument, my director included. I just realised he had a single horn not a double so it didn't have a trigger key.
I have a question.
I purchased a baritone off eBay about 2 months ago.
It is a 1910 Buescher with U.S.N on the bell (United States Navy)
The only problem is it has a high pitch tuning slide.
Is there any way I could somehow aquire a longer tuning slide without modifying the instrument?
I would like to mic a double fhorn, and line that into an amplifier with distortion.
I play the double French horn, ive been playing French horn since 5th grade, I was the first person to learn my scales in my whole band class, and I was the first person to transition from a different instrument.
Nice my father has a similar model, also from lidl.
What is that wonderful giant Flugelhorn in Eb you are playing called?
Why do you suppose Franz Strauss couldn't play his son's horn concerto?
@Trent - If the horn were redesigned from the ground up, ignoring the history, could the instrument be made far easier to play and still produce that lovely golden tone?
But how did you change the notes in the harmonic series, or how did you change notes at all, without using the valves or pressing anything? Just the pitch of your hum?
My favourite trick to do on a french horn is playing a middle (thumb open) C and press first valve halfway down
Will we ever get part two?
How difficult/costly is it to put a new water key on a mellophone (F.E. Olds)? I want to play in the marching band but my only option is one missing a water key.
Still waiting on that part 2
Have you done Part 2 yet? do you still have a plan to do a part 2?
plz, more
Are you going to make more of these? You labeled the video part one.
you really started late in the history of the Waldhorn. I like how you mention three of the Horn family: first the Posthorn you showed, then the Waldhorn, and then the Wagner tuba. might I also point out that the Horn was actually designed for both low and high registers, you just need more control in your face than bumbling around on trumpets and trombones gives you ;) (much love to fellow brassians)