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How The '01 Alexei Yashin Deal Ended Up Being The Best Trade In Senators History | NHL Trade Trees
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2020
- Steve Dangle takes a look back at what is perhaps the best deal in Ottawa Senators history, when they decided to ship all-star Alexei Yashin to the New York Islanders.
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The amazing part has to be that Chara is still in the NHL and Spezza is also still in the league.
And not to twist a salty knife but playing on the Leafs with former Islanders Captian John Tavares.
Edit: Spezza that is.
And they are both still pretty good!
And Nick Paul is still a youngster for the Sens - who may yet have a good career in the NHL (we will see I guess...)
And Both will be in the Hall
@@OttawaRocks leafs boogie man nick paul
when he said "a defenseman I will not yet" name we all knew it was Chara right?
Without a doubt.
If you don't you aren't a fan or you're young as hell lol.
Mike Keller it’s hard to see the names on mobile thumbnails
It took me a second but yeah
Islanders traded away a few decent dmen in that period so in my mind it went "McCabe? Berard? ...Oh no"
This might get the giant Canadian appeal but: Breaking down the Blues signing of Brendan Shanahan, and the Devils receiving Scott Stevens and how it paid off for the Devils, Blues, and... Ducks? It's one of the most amazing transaction trees ever.
Daniel Betzel great idea man!
All of that led to the blues getting a 2011 3rd round pick named Jordan Binnington
That was a huge shake up for the NHL powerhouses
Indirectly led to the Canes winning their Stanley Cup.
Repost this on other videos so they see it
The fact that this trade tree had a pic of Mike Milbury instead of Alexei Yashin is the supreme insult.
> “trio of assassins”
> “Dany Heatley”
Oh no.
Oh God... this trade
As an Islander fan, Mike Milbury was the worst GM in our history. So many players who could have been amazing for us...
I would Garth snow is 10x worse, you are a guy to do color commentating who used to be your goaltender
Not just in _your_ history - for my money he's the worst GM in NHL history.
Look up transitional issues... starting with ownership... no joke.
Not to mention dealing Luongo to draft DiPietro
That's what hurts my heart, and I'm not an Islanders fan. Your team had Brian Berard, Wade Redden, Brian McCabe, Darius Kasparaitis, and Zdeno Chara on the blueline. These guys weren't bums, man. They really had talent and could have done terrific things on Long Island. Unfortunately, Mad Mike didn't think so.
Mike Milbury was an awful GM for the Islanders.
Yes he was
what do you mean he was great, for every other team... XD
He's an awful everything.
And apples are red
he is the only person with a superpower... whitch is doing bad trades :P
Dorion getting forwards Chris Tierney, Rudolfs Balcers and Josh Norris and defenseman Dylan DeMelo along with a conditional 2019 second-round draft pick and the Sharks #3 pick (Stutzle or Byfield) and receive a 2021 second-round pick if Erik Karlsson re-signs with the sharks which he did...might be Ottawa's best trade if the prospects and picks pan out
Which is funny because when that trade first happened, Steve was ripping on the Sens for refusing to trade with teams in the east who would've most likely offered a better return for Karlsson. It's amazing what can happen when the team you made that trade with abruptly falls into the basement and gets put into a cap crunch by themselves.
It's still not a great return. Let's face it
But Ottawa got EXTREMELY LUCKY
I hate to agree but we shot ourselves with trade
Go sharks
YoMaSi any trade is a gamble, lucky or not...still a good trade
Just rolled up a joint and this was posted as soon as I was done, perfect
It's truly hilarious that popular vote for the worst and second worst GMs in NHL history were both Islanders GMs who were almost consecutive GMs except for this one month tenure of someone else.... and yet they each ran the team for over a decade
can we not dive into Mike Milbury's trade history. :(
Oh yeah?!?!? I lived though Rejean Houle... the man who gutted a Stanley Cup team into a mess for the next 10 years
@@ClemmyHunter Habs trades are a case of reopening a wound, pouring waste water and feces on it and repeating it. Trade three great players for one decent player etc.
Mate, every fan goes through this, regardless of your fandom (except maybe Vegas, cause it's still too early to assess the long term effects of their trades). As a Caps fan, I have to take the taunting from Flyers and Penguins fans cause of the Forsberg-Erat trade, even after winning a Cup. It's just part of your team's history, so you just have to suck it up and live with it.
was half expecting you to play Simon and Garfunkel's Hello Darkness My Old Friend, when you reminisced about the Leafs' struggles with the Bruins and Chara XD
Commenting this before I watch the video - growing up as a young Isles fan, Yashin was always my favorite player. He was so much fun to watch and was my first favorite player in the game. I know this won’t end well for my Islanders, but I can’t replace the memories.
This is definitely in contention, but I'd have to say Alex Auld for Mark Stone, or the Karlsson trade is the best for Ottawa.
Which Karlsson trade? The one on draft day to aquire him, or the one to deal him in order to get one of Byfield and Stützle?
no. jason spezza and zdeno chara vs stone or stutzle/byfield...this trade happened 20 years ago and spezza and chara are still playing. spezza has 940 points, and chara will make the hall of fame. all to get rid of a team cancer who didn't want to play there anyway. yes, this is by far the best trade in sens history. it's not close.
There was also the Kyle Turris for David Rundblad and a second round pick, which was pretty good. Turris was a great player for the senators.
Hubert Beck It would be a great trade if Ottawa didn’t trade the pick used to select Vladimir Tarasenko for Rundblad on draft night
@@SS-lu1qf probably wouldn't draft him they don't usually draft Russians would have taken someone else.
That Yashin deal was the craziest thing to happen to New York in September 2001
Hahahahahahahaha
As of now, this is the best trade in Sens history. In a few years, the Karlsson trade might top it though
2000 NHL Draft
1st overall pick- Islanders select Rick Depietro
7 ROUND pick- Rangers select.... Henrik Lundqvist
Damn
And Henrik dis stay in NY for 15 years
and 0 cups go figure
@Martin Rosario But Lundqvist is still a Hall of Fame goalie. What did Ricky end up with besides a broken face?
@@mondoseguendo6113 A new hip and lots of money yet to be paid...
Mondo Seguendo I wasn’t defending Rick either lol
My favorite chant as a Ranger's fan is DP-15, Years! Years!
Double Penetration?
@@danieldosso2455 ahahaha
I don't know why you need 14 minutes to say "because any trade moving Yashin is a good trade"
Because then we wouldn't get the aggressive close-ups of this guy's face.
Hockey GM tip: ask Milbury and do the opposite
I think Steve might have had a kid
maybe, not sure if he mentioned it.
I love the build up for saying Chara’s name lol
The Karlsson trade will end up being the best in sens history
Couldn’t agree more! Just not making the mistake of resigning him makes that the greatest trade. Now to throw in a first round pick that goes top 5. No brainer!
Depends who they get with the pick from the sharks
@@teddygramz2008 no it doesnt.
we got EKs PRIME for $7M/yr. SJ is payin $7M more than hes worth now for the rest of his career.
for that to happen, byfield/stutzle's career, on its own, would have to be superior to the combined careers of jason spezza and zdeno chara. whichever one you draft, you are asking him to be a player on the level of crosby, ovechkin, malkin, or mcdavid. you are asking him to be worth more than the combined value of a #1 center and a #1 defenseman with 20 year careers, the latter of which is likely to make it into the hall of fame.
but according to you, if it didn't happen in the last 10 years, it didn't happen at all. i bet you think crosby and mcdavid are the best players who ever played for the teams they're on, too.
I see your point but you are wrong about one thing. The ultimate goal is the cup, so if this Karlsson trade brings us the key elements to winning the cup, it then becomes our greatest trade. Byfield has the potential to be better than Spezza but it’s way too early to be sure. I agree that he won’t be better than the combined skill of Chara and Spezza, however that might not be necessary. The fact that they dodged a bullet not getting stuck in cap hell with Karlssons god awful contract is a factor in this trade. Then there’s also many other pieces like Norris who has the potential of a top 6 or maybe the second round pick turns out. Time will tell.
This was a win-win for the Ottawa Senators. You severed ties with a problem child in Alexei Yashin and acquired two superstars in Jason Spezza and Zdeno Chara. Unfortunately, it also further cemented Milke Milbury ad the worst GM in league history. In fact, they should charge the Senators for grand theft. They fleeced the Islanders badly.
As a sens fan I'd allow that if we had managed to keep Chara long term... we didn't Thanks for Spezza though!
im pretty sure you’d have to charge every team that traded with milberry grand theft
@@UserName-ts3sp You're right. It was mind-blowing witnessing the destruction on Long Island throughout the mid to late 90s, and early 2000s.
I am using this video to make it to the next 2-3 hour interval.
Worth it
just watched again, it's still alive with Nick Paul going to Tampa at the deadline this year! two branches!
yashin: i want money, ottawa: we don't have money. yashin+osgood teamed up to get a bad islanders team into the playoffs to lose to cujo.
The pain 😭 what could’ve been
Idk if you guys ended up seeing my comments on your old videos but I mentioned this on almost all of your trade trees to do, been waiting for you guys to do this one I wanna see what Ottawa all got from it. This is going to be a great watch thank guys!
4 years later, the trade tree continues. Nick Paul became a reliable third-liner and was dealt to Tampa for Mathieu Joseph (who was dealt to St. Louis for future considerations as a cap dump) and a 2024 4th round pick (Blake Montgomery).
The trade is still active, with Paul being sent to the Lightning for a 4th round pick and Mathieu Joseph. And during this off-season, Joseph and a 2025 3rd round pick were sent to the Blues for "future considerations"
Given that the Sens got two possible Hall of Famers in exchange for a guy who sat out an entire season in his prime because he didn't want to play for them, yeah, this is the greatest trade in team history.
Chet Pickard and Taylor Beck
For
Erik Karlsson(or the pick that became EK)
Karlsson
For
DeMelo
Tierney
Balcers
Norris
2020 1st round pick that is 3rd OA
2021 2nd round pick
2019 2nd round pick (Mads Sogaard)
Demelo was traded for a 3rd round pick in 2020
All that from Chet Pickard and Taylor Beck
Karlsson by himself rivals Spezza's greatness and then some in my opinion.
Something tells me whoever they take at #3 OA this year will be worth a Chara
I'm a MTL fan and i always thought this was your Danault and Romanov for Weise and Fleischman level win. Literally Something for nothing fleecing .
I hope Steve does this one at somepoint... like DAMN!!! That's a good trade in retrospect. Good memory on that trade Nashville made with Ottawa and a reminder why trading down is a risk in the draft.
Ottawa obtaining Karlsson for Chet Pickard & Taylor Beck should be up there. Or shipping off Brian Elliot for Craig Anderson. These 2 trades alone showed how well Ottawa drafted over the years as they turned the second last pick in the '03 draft (who played 130 games for the team as a goaltender) into their starting goaltender for the next decade, and gambled to trade up to get who was once considered the 3rd best hockey player in the league for an 85-games plugger and an AHL goalie. At least Yashin gave the Isles some value. These two trades were fleecings.
I know you did Chris Pronger from Edmonton to Anaheim, but I think if you took a closer look, you can see how the Blues trading Chris Pronger to Edmonton helped them land a quintessential piece for their 2019 Stanley Cup run.
True but who was that piece?
@@jonathanfrimerman8855 one of the pieces the Blues received from Edmonton for Pronger was Eric Brewer. The Blues eventually traded Brewer for Brock Beukeboom and a 2011 3rd Round Pick, which became Jordan Binnington.
Fun fact about the DiPietro contract. I calculated with the date he signed his contract and with my age. When his 15-year contract will end, I will be officially major.
Also, a trade tree only on Mike Sillinger's Career would be interesting I think.
I really dig Steve going back looking at old trades! Very interesting!
So they could've had Luongo, Chara and Spezza instead of DiPietro and Yashin. Hmm...
Brian McCabe too. If Milbury had literally done nothing they would have been a power house team.
Plus either gaborik or heatley with the pick they used to draft dipietro
Its ironic that Ottawa is now the feeder club for the league after going through all that. But dumping Yashin was the best move they ever made.
How is it ironic? Also all teams are at the bottom at some point. The Sens are improving year by year again now.
@@stevenightfall6634 They also are not really a feeder team either. We can talk about that when they trade how many HOF players the Isles did in the 90s-00s. Also, Ottawa got BANK for their trades of their stars the Isles got... ummm... something.
Here we are in 2021 and Nick Paul is looking like a pretty decent player. Not sure what his ceiling is, but he’s like Mark Stone light. I’m having fun watching him play!
Steve Dangle gave birth!
I don't want to label this trade the best in Sens history yet because I want to see how the Karlsson trade pans out. If Stutzle/Byfield turns into a franchise winger/center, Josh Norris translates his game to the NHL, and Rudolfs Balcers pans out, we could be talking about a spectacularly good trade for the Sens, especially considering the form Karlsson has been in since the trade and the contract he is currently on.
Have you thought about doing a David Perron trade tree? A pick forfeited for hiring a new head coach, a pick that turns into Mathew Barzal, and a trade for Carl Hagelin?? I know these are solely trades, but going back to St. Louis only to be left unprotected and helping Vegas to the Stanely Cup Finals... and then resigning with St. Louis again! And winning a cup! He's had quite the NHL experience.
Steve:Who trades 2nd overall picks
Leafs:phil kessel
“....and a defenseman that I won’t name just yet”
Me, literally wearing his jersey: ehehehehehehe
I am an Islanders fan and I have a signed Alexei Yashin jersey. My prized possession.
A Mark Messier 1991 trade tree would be very good. It’d be worth it just to hear the story of how Pierre McGuire (former Whalers coach) totally screwed the Whalers in the Steven Rice compensation hearing where the Oilers ended up with Marchment instead of Robert Kron.
Chara's last year in Ottawa, they also had Dominik Hasek. Greatest team never to win the cup in that teams history. And they lost it all halfway through the season due to an ankle injury at Czech international play
I really want to know Milbury’s thought process through all of the trades he made. The guy traded Luongo, Chara, McCabe, Bertuzzi, Spezza and drafted a goalie and signed him for about 50 years
He didn't sign the DP contract, he actually got fired for refusing to do that
Congrats on your new kid Mr Dangle!
Love your videos, keep up the great work, happy holidays, and stay sake
Best trades in Ottawa Senators history? Trading Pavol Demitra for Christer Olsson, a first round pick, 16th overall (Vladimir Tarasenko) for David Rundblad, and Mika Zibanejad and a second round pick for Derick Brassard and a seventh rounder.
The Tarasenko trade while rough also needs the context of the Runblad for Turris trade. And for the Zibanejad trade (which I remind you took Zbad a couple years to get going in New York as his first two years... not very good and his advance stats are still not great for a 1st line centerman) you also need to take into a account the Brassard for Gustavsson Trade.
So yeah Ottawa lost out on Tarasenko, but got their 1st line centre in Turris who was a key part of that 2017 run. And sure Brassard regressed fast, but Ottawa may have just got their future star goalie in Gustavsson... so.. yeah.
Probably the best Ottawa trade of all time
Steve you forgot one thing to add to the injury for Isles. Alex was also playing in the KH:L while getting paid by the Isles. The point that you did not add about Alex was that the only good players they had on forward were Mike Peca and Alex they had not wingers.
I legitimately laughed out loud when you named the mystery defender.
“Buy high, sell low”
-Mike Milbury
Dude,,,
I liked Heatley better. 141 goals in 3 years, 180 goals in 4. Back to back 50 goal scorer and it took losing Hossa.
Great video! I would love to see the shanahan trade to Detroit in 96. Or really just more Detroit.
The real question Steve is the Karlsson deal history repeating itself? Do the senators get over the hump this time? I’m really interested in there future. (So long as the owner shuts up)
Doug Gilmour!!! I really wanna see Doug Gilmour from the Blues to Calgary in the 80’s. I will do it myself for you if I have to
Great video. It's interesting to take a dive into the bufferfly effects of trades. I'd like to suggest "The Trade" for a future video - Gretzky from the Oilers to the Kings.
Update on this trade:
Nick Paul was dealt to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Mathieu Joseph and a 2024 4th round pick (TBL). We will see where this goes
Im way to late for this but Rick Depietro was offered that contract before i was born and now its going to be done with when i turn 22 lol
And to further this trade tree along the third round pick traded with the second to new jersey ( joey andersen) was dealt to the toronto maple leafs for andreas johnsson
You will be a great dad. So happy for you.
Idk how deep a Trade tree of “the Trade” would be but that
Congrats on the kid. I have a new two month old. Being a dad is awesome. Love the videos
Congrats on the kid Steve!
Trade Tree Ideas: - Alexander Mogilny to Vancouver
- Dominik Hasek to Detroit
Mega Tidbit: Rumor why Chara was let go; Big Z had a fight that year near the end of the season when the sens picked Reds over Z in the off-season. After that fight Z hurt his hand very badly and was at home icing said hand. He fell asleep while icing the hand and actually got minor frost bite on it causing him to miss some more time. Along with actually wanting the C from alfie because Z felt like he was a better leader (rumors once again) this finally pissed off GM John Muckler and the was the straw that broke the camels back.
But hey, I'm just a dude who heard a rumor from a retired doctor. Cheers.
8:07 I'm so sorry I laughed so hard at this xD xD xD
I always liked Rick Dipietro. I don't think that pick was horrible. What led up to it was weird, since they had Luongo and traded him. But once that was water under the bridge, picking Rick wasn't horrible. He had a lot of bad luck with injuries. And he was probably the most fun to watch goalie in the NHL. Imagine Marty Brodeur or Marty Turco playing the puck...but like really erratic. He would play the puck a lot and was good at it, but he would also go after pucks he had zero buisness going after. Hilarity often ensued
CONGRATS STEVE DADGLE!
Congrats on the kid! Love the videos!
11:55 not quite, it was actually 10 years for $87.5 million :'( it would be reduced to around 66 million as a result of the 2005 CBA but they were still paying him almost 9 mil a season for awhile.
I was about to say the best ottawa trade was either Demitra vs Christer Olsson or Daigle vs Falloon, but the Daigle/Falloon trade also include Vaclav Prospal and a 2nd round pick (who became Chris Bala ...) so i'm thinking : wow the daigle trade isn't as bad as i tought
hold on the best Ottawa trade might be Ted Donato and the rights of Antti-Jussi Niemi in exchange for former pittsburgh goalie Patrick Lalime, Donato was out of the league 1 or 2 season later and i'm pretty shure Niemi played less than 30 games, as for Lalime he was the starter for 5 years
It took a million years, but Nick Paul is finally looking like a player. He's pretty much the ideal modern 4th liner. Big, fast, and plays hard.
You guys should do the Gaborik to CBJ trade. It spider webs like crazy.
#’s 15-19-11. The pizza line! That is the best thing Ottawa has ever put on the ice. Let’s see what the 2020’s hold in store!
Let's be honest. Even if it didn't end up fantastic in the end in terms of assets coming back, the trade still would have been excellent for Ottawa because they got rid of talented but major headache. The guy was a locker room cancer and a PR nightmare, almost exclusively by his own design. He was the exact opposite of Pavel Bure. While Pavel's issues stemmed from Canucks management at the time mistreating and disrespecting him at every turn, with Yashin it was the exact opposite. I'm a Canucks fan, but I usually root for the Sens when they're in the playoffs and have since 1992-93. I remember watching their first game on Hockey Night in Canada in that tiny arena. I always hoped they'd do well, but it hasn't worked out for them or any Canadian team since 1993. If you're looking for the background story on this, The Hockey Guy did a great synopsis a while back on his channel. Shannon has been on Steve's podcast once or twice.
Does anyone know if there's anything in the rules about how many 1st round picks a team can have? Like, could one team get them all if they really wanted to/weirdness happened?
Imagine the GM with the stones to make that happen.
I can't remember what team, think it was Columbus, but they wanted the first overall in 2012 from Edmonton. So they offered EVERY pick they had in that draft. Imagine if that happened, all that for Yakupov?!
I mean... I don't really think there is. After all, the Canucks-Sedin picks happened partially because of a gentleman's agreement with the Thrashers that they would NOT pick a Sedin brother with their #1 pick.
So anything can happen.
@@Roller11111 shoulda taken them up on it.
minnesota offered that in 1984, for lemieux, and the pittsburgh GM told him to stick it in his ear.
As a sens fan, This tree is still so much pain.
Also, the devils have now traded Joey Anderson who was the third in 2016 in the sens-devils deal (I’m assuming he’s Joseph Anderson) to the leafs for Johnsson so this trade tree needs to be updated
Do a Shattenkirk for Johnson trade tree. Intrigues me since I didn't know how EJ got on the Avs since he was the Blues #1 pick. Plus Shattenkirk was used as a rental and those are always fun to do trade trees with, right Montreal
Adam Deadmarsh, Jason Allison, Sergei Samsanov & Sergei Gonchar are others for the NHL Trade Tree
as a sens fan, i almost died laughing... oh thank you mikey. you singlehandedly saved ottawa from financial ruin with this trade. it's like denis potvin called in a favor to his old team on behalf of his hometown. smh. yashin was a cancer in the lockeroom and in the press for ottawa. both him and daigle were big financial missteps for the sens, but the franchise was so young, we forgive them after all these years.
My fav sens trade ever is Alex Auld for Mark Stone lmao
Maybe the best, but the Rhodes/Redden three way deal with the Leafs and Islanders was probably the most impactful because the Sens started to become respectable after that trade.
Congrats on the child, Steve and Steve's wife!
It's like Pierre Dorion did not learn from this, trading for Duchene.
Steve, I think you really need to do a Mike Milbury Special for this Trade Tree series.
We all know how those trades paid off in 2-3 years time, but it would be interesting to see how they evolve in longer terms.
Steve can you do the Mike Fisher trade tree Nashville??? Please pretty please. I'm interested in what they all got for him
You forgot to mention that the 3rd in 2016 the Devils got in the deal became Joey Anderson who is a decent young middle 6 forward for the Devils.
Depends on what the Karlsson trade looks like in the future... Sens got 3rd OA this year, Norris, Balcers, another pick in the 2nd IIRC and a few more pieces
3:50 - at the time, in defense of RICK DIPIETRO... the scouting reports were he'd be the next Roberto Luongo. It was Marc-Andre Fleury who took the mantle, and Dipietro went the way of JIM CARREY... anyone 'member the GOALKEEPER of the washington Capitals who also happend to be named JIM CAREY ?
THE TRADE KEEPS GOING
Yo Steve really liking this camera angle. Hope Leo, you and Mrs Dangle are doing great!
And so far Ottawa might have a new trade to challenge for the best trade in franchise history. As Stuzle and Norris are lighting it up in the NHL. Those two alone for Karlsson is robbery and when you add in a couple seasons of DeMelo and a solid anchor at center with
Chris Tierney? DANM!!! Gotta hurt to be a Sharks fan right about now thinking about how much that team could use Norris and Stutzle.
I swear to god, Mike Milbury makes Peter Chiarelli look like a genius
Interesting fact: Morgan Klimchuk was the player picked by Calgary using Pittsburgh's 1st rounder from the Iginla deal.
As a lifelong Sens fan, this trade was by FAR the greatest in team history. Can’t say the same for half the moves Murray made.