How Trading The Draft Pick Used On Marc Staal Led To Thrashers Departure From Atlanta | Trade Trees
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Steve Dangle discusses the 2005 draft-day trade between the New York Rangers and Atlanta Thrashers, which led to New York selecting Marc Staal and the eventual departure of the Thrashers from Atlanta.
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This Future Considerations guy sure gets traded a lot
That’s been my name in Chel last 3 years love it
Future considerations could be a couple of X-tra large pepperoni pizzas.
Scott Langley or a first rounder
@@mohameddiami5013, that's true
@@Secretservice709 Guess we'll see who buys the game first to get the name again
Steve, Logan Stanley was their 2016 1st they got from Chicago when they reacquired Andrew Ladd. The 2017 first they got in this deal was Kristian Vesalainen.
This
The Jets actually traded the pick they got from Chicago to move up to take Stanley. They traded with Philadelphia to move up in the draft from 22nd to 18th.
Loved the Colby Armstrong story. That's a heck of a way to find out you've been traded to the Thrashers.
Like Marc-Andre Fleury finding out one Twitter, this off season.
11:08 The Jets chose Vesalainen. Stanley was drafted in 2016 at 18th overall.
Another good one would be Mark Recchi-Rick Tocchet trade between the Penguins and Flyers. A lot of big names as involved in all the further trades
Love that idea. Especially when you see Reechi leave the Flyers in the LeClair/Desjardins trade and then come back
Good idea but unfortunately Sportsnet won’t do a trade that doesn’t involve a Canadian team in some way.
Seriously. Check the playlist. The closest one is the Lindros Tree and this one
@@quasimoto7662 When the Flyers traded away Reechi the first time, he went to the Canadiens for LeClair, Desjardins and Gilbert Dionne
@@quasimoto7662 I wish they would do more that aren’t just with Canadian teams, but they did a couple with the Jeff Carter, Rick Nash, and Joe Thornton videos. But yeah definitely need more American teams.
Marc Staal is one of the more underrated and underappreciated defensemen in the league and nobody can convince me otherwise
yeah Marcus Staal puts up 300 goals and 980 points per game
@@eIcucuy Hes a stay-at home defenseman...
Before the eye injury, he was one of the best.
@@ShantyIrishman and before his own brother almost killed him
thanks for that Mrs Staal
It's me, I'm the fan passionate about the Thrashers history as Jets history (cause it is!).
Thrashers ownership sure was... Questionable. Sigh. I'm happy the franchise has a good home and I'm happy I went north with the team.
Trade tree is actually well detailed until That last part, LIKE LITERALLY LAST PART. Jets are one the best in drafting in 1st round (most of their picks are actually good), but Logan Stanley is a 2016 draftee and 2017 Jets drafted vesalainen. Even jets fan are aware those are the 2 most disappointing 1st round picks of their team yet. But Logan Stanley could be a effective late bloomer, and vesalainen probably have this year as his last chance.
You guys should do the Brent Burns trade tree, I have looked in to it a bit it leads to a notable preds player who is still on the team today.
Yeah I’ve been dying for this
@@ethank4692 yeah it's an insane trade tree and insane time era it took place in
Granlund?
@@MatthewKniesEnjoyer89 no
@@gosharkz8863 who hahah? Did wild trade burns for a draft pick that was eventually grandlund?
The Thrashers were acquired by Atlanta Spirit Inc. from their previous owners in a package deal with the Atlanta Hawks, but they didn't want the Thrashers. They only cared about the Hawks, so they horribly mismanaged the Thrashers.
Legendary goaltender Dan Bouchard helped out with goalie coaching, and he said that the Thrashers GM informed him that he was only needed once a month, and that "goaltending wasn't important."
Atlanta has a massive hockey market and TONS of rinks and leagues. Please for the love of God give us our team back
Sounds a lot like the Pegulas who mismanaged the Sabres for the past few seasons while at the same time, are reveling in the success of the Bills. Or the owner who cares more about the New York Rangers than he does about the Knicks.
I did hear one time that originally they wanted Winnipeg to be an expansion and not a relocation of Atlanta, but it never worked out and thus Atlanta sadly lost their team.
I used to be a Thrashers fan; ironic given that I live in Calgary, the city that took their _first_ team away from them. But they had a great young offensive core in Kovalchuk, Heatley and (former Flame) Marc Savard, they had a baby blue alternate/home jersey that looked just gorgeous, and they had a goalie in Kari Lehtonen who'd put geeky stuff like Final Fantasy characters on his mask. What's not to like?
Unfortunately, I think Heatley's little accident did more to damage that franchise than I think people fully comprehend, to say nothing of their ownership group's internal squabbles that led to them just ignoring the team altogether... The crazy thing is, I still think Atlanta could work as a hockey market, they just need to be given a *real* chance for once; I just realize that with -Philips- State Farm Arena's renovation into a basketball-only arena, _and_ with ATL behind in the count 0-2 already, that's not likely to ever happen again. Shame...
Ah well; as it happens I kept cheering for the team even after the move, the Jets are my 3rd-favourite team now, behind the Flames and Canucks. :P
Honestly if the team had better ownership they could have survived, having 7 owners who can't seem to agree on anything except 1) the Hawks are the priority and 2) they hate each other really really really hurts a team that's about a decade old and has won nothing.
Trevor Linden trade tree. Do it, Steve. It's a dandy.
This isn’t the Craig Rivet trade either.
Where is it Steve?
Where are you hiding it?
It's funny looking back on this video that the draft pick on the Rangers side of the tree was moved to Dallas for Detroit to move up in the 21 draft. Grushnikov was traded for Chris Tanev and after trading down the Stars took Wyatt Johnston.
"22-16-8, and if you do the math thats .500"
Is it though?
If youre going by win-loss ratio yes, but points, no
@@Spartan086 that's what he meant by the Bettman .500 comment. I think here he tried to add 16+8 and got 22 instead of 24.
I'd love a video about the whole Trevor Linden to the Islanders trade. I'm pretty sure it led to the West Coast Express and the 2011 Stanley cup run.
you should do the Craig Rivet trade tree, in the end Montreal got Gorges and Pacioretty and then Suzuki and Tatar
Thanks for the "We forget a fanbase lost their team." As an Alabamian, I have only split my Red Wings loyalty when the Thrashers existed. I was even a minor Jets fan after the move until their media and fans kept giving Thrashers fans the middle finger. The retro jersey being devoid of any little nod was the final straw. Winnipeg can lose every game from now on for all I care. I don't know why you would want to throw away potential fans (i.e. merchandise dollars), but the franchise, fans, and media all decided it was for the best. So, screw them.
i wish we would use that blue thrashers jersey as a throw back, that thing was sweet
You should do a Mark Messier to NYR trade tree it had future considerations that became Jeff Beukeboom. That branch of the trade tree is ridiculous.
A nice trade to look into I think is Philly sending Mike Richards to the Kings for Simmons and Schenn a nice little trade with some names that immediately helped the kings win the Stanley cup in 2012
That trade also eventually turned into Joel Farabee and Morgan Frost for the Flyers. Out of Mike Richards, the Flyers got atleast 3 core pieces across 2 hockey generations.
The Craig Rivet Trade to the SJ sharks is a favorite of mine
This was one of your best, Steve!!! From The Old Leafs Gnome.
I'd love to see a trade tree involving Mark Recchi.
That’s funny, I traded Zack Bogosian( from the jets) to the rangers for Marc Stall. #NHL12. He’s my all time points leader.
Chris Thorburn also played for St Louis... You forgot that part
i think a Tuukka Rask trade tree is needed now
Wasn’t that just a one for one?
@@stentorofsparta3576 it’s a joke
The Ron Francis PIT-HFD trade in '91 is an absolute monster. Parts of that tree helped Pittsburgh draft Fleury 12 years later, helped bring Rod Brind'Amour to Carolina, and played (an admittedly) minor role in the Shanahan-Pronger trade in 95. You'd probably need to make a feature-length documentary to cover the whole thing, but it's pretty wild.
I'd recommend how Anaheim trading Teemu Selanne to San Jose got them Corey Perry and Rob Niedermayer. While it's not directly linked to the trade tree, when Scott Niedermayer signed later, he explicitly mentioned wanting to win a cup with his brother, so interesting footnote to the tree.
Whole thing started as seeing if Winnipeg/Phoenix got anything out of the trade, and the only interesting thing was Oleg Tverdovsky being traded from Anaheim to Winnipeg as part of the deal, then getting traded back to Anaheim, then getting traded WITH Teemu this time.
I think you should do a trade tree involving the Wild
I have heard of Daultan Leveille! He played in the ECHL for Evansville.
Steve, would you do a video on 'future considerations' that actually worked out?
Hey Steve, a while ago you took a request and did the Jeff Carter trade tree. Even though how the pick used to select Carter wasn't explained (gotten in the Daymond Langkow deal with Pheonix, before that Langkow was aquired by PHI and Mikael Renberg), it was very entertaining. Now I propose: How the Mike Richards trade to LA lead to a Blues Stanley cup or something like that. Thank you!
I would like to see a Craig Rivet Montreal to San Jose trade tree
I actually remember seeing Alex Bourret play in Wichita in the Central Hockey League
@sportsnet - HEY STEVE DANGLE... you screwed up the trade tree! The Jets didn't take Logan Stanley, THEY TOOK Kristian Vesalainen!
As a Thrashers fan, this hurt lol
Good vid, but when you mention the 2009 Finals, you should point out that Crosby didn’t shake hands with the Wings.
I have a trade tree proposal. You can do the Marian Gaborik for Derick Brassard trade. It's surprisingly deep considering it took place in 2013.
He’s actually talked about that one in the Rick Nash deal cause Steve DeLisle connects to it
@@TylerAven10 Oh didn't realise. Thanks for letting me know
You gotta go back and do the daymond langkow tree for the flyers. It can technically start earlier in the mid 90s with mike sillinger. It is still active today
Staal brothers are from my hometown Thunder Bay ON Canada 🇨🇦
Steve you weren't joking , you left some awesome material for us be tied over with till you back
The Wings also traded that 2nd they got for taking Staal to Dallas to move up and draft Cossa
I hate criticizing videos that I enjoy, but I'm just going to throw it out there, I'm not a fan of the little rock track in the background. It's not that the music itself is bad, it just sounds like you're contending with the audio track, and I prefer the old subtle background music. Great video as always, I'll watch them either way.
Remember the Atlanta Thrashers? Pepperidge Patrick Marleau does, heck his career outlasted the Atlanta Thrashers.
Give us the Hossa and Heatley swap!!! We demand it!!!!
Love this series, but the background music is kinda loud
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Robert Bortuzzo (the 2007 3rd rounder) flipped from Pittsburgh to the Blues in 2015 for Ian Cole, then winning a Cup with the 'Note in 2019. Am I missing some other aspect of that branch feeling incomplete?
Bruce, you dropped this on August 30th, but you didn't know who Seattle selected in the expansion draft? You need to follow hockey more!
A guy I knew in High school contributed to the end of Atlanta and bringing the Jets back?? That's amazing.
Is he a dirt bag?
sorry im a spitfires fan and logan stanley played for them he was drafted 18th overall in 2016 just had to let you know not trying to be rude who they took at 24th in 2017 is Kristian Vesalainen who was a very good pick at 24th
You would think brothers would lay off each other? I'm not saying Eric shouldn't have hit Marc but Eric hit him pretty hard, I mean that was a good hard clean hit but, c'mon man it's your brother..smh, lol... Of course the Lindros brothers fought once - Eric and Brett, lol... Interestingly enough I don't recall the Sutter brothers ever getting into it with each other, and when you consider the type of blue collar game they played that's pretty crazy.. I mean I'm a Hawks fan and all of them played for the Hawks except for Brian, he was the Hawks coach tho..
I comment this on a lot of Trade Tree videos, but do the Dan Boyle Trade Tree!!! It's a complained one that ends in Andrei Vasilevskiy
Hey, Alex Bourret, I know that name! Played some time with the Wichita Thunder, he was a really pesky guy who could put points up at a nice clip.
Stanley was in 2016 18th overall in the line Matthew’s draft 2017 was Kristin vesalainein
Dangle, you HAVE to look at the deal that sent Brendan Shanahan from St. Louis to Hartford in the early 90's. Not only does it involve a few future Hall of Famers, but it eventually leads to St. Louis drafting Jordan Binnington, who was a key part of the Blues' first Stanley Cup. Please look at this tree!
Can we get a Craig Rivet Trade Tree please?
He usually does trade trees on good players 😂
Steve you forgot that Winnipeg turned in the draft rights for Leveille to the league and were given the same pick in the following draft but one round later (2013 59th) which they used for the new backup goalie Eric Comrie so I think that should be a branch also. Do not believe you can still return 1st rounders and get compensated with a second anymore so i am sure thats why you probably missed it.
Make a sandis ozolinsh trade tree!!!! Will not disappoint!!
You should do the tuukka rask trade tree. Awesome video by the way
Steve: “Four brothers drafted into the NHL is slightly ridiculous.” Me: “ Steve you have heard of the Sutter family right?” (For those who don’t know 6 brothers who all played in the NHL and six sons who all play or are still playing or have played hockey just not all in the NHL. One of those sons is Brandon who currently plays for the Canucks.)
Anyone who says future considerations don’t make for exciting trades clearly have never met Kris Draper
I need to know learn what program that’s used for these videos
I find it funny that I was watching Tree's Atlanta vid before this
The trade invovling Dupuis and Hossa gets worse when you realize Atlanta traded Dany Heatly to the Sens to GET Hossa in the first place. Uffda.
Staal was pretty serviceable last season paired with Troy Stecher. When the Wings resigned him for $2M, I was OK with that. Yzerman was paid a pick to take on a garbage contract, at zero cost to him, as he had cap space for miles and expected a dismal season. Sound asset management.
Add to that, he managed to squeeze some good value on the ice from the year of that contract, and then resigned a solid veteran at a significant discount. More good asset management.
After fleecing Washington for Vrana and a first round pick in the Mantha trade, things got interesting. At the time of the trade, most would have expected that first round pick to be around 30th. because how are the Caps not going to make the ECF? They are a wagon, right? Wrong. Their first round exit bumped that pick all the way up to 23rd.
Moving up 8 spots from 30th to 22nd really isn't that much of a value increase in terms of the players available (usually). A club isn't often going to pay to do that. However, if you can move up 8 spaces and be in the top half of the first round, that can really get you a great player. So he then flipped that Staal pick with the Caps first rounder to trade up in round one and snag Sebastian Cossa, who could become a significant asset in goal.
He also had to trade a third pick to move up, but all three picks were picks that he traded to acquire. He made sure to keep all of the Wings picks, as they were the highest picks in every round. Even on the micro level, his asset management is solid. I would normally say, "Who is this guy?", but I already know.
IN THE YZERPLAN WE TRUST.
Any trade trees involving the red wings in the lates 90's and 00's?
I think u need to do a trade tree on the Leafs drafting Tuukka Rask and trading him to Bruins!
Steve the pick wasn't Logan Stanley, it was Kristian Vesalainen
You guys should do the pat LaFontaine trade tree
This is one I could get behind
Wow you shot this a long time ago
Speaking of Staal brothers, could we get an episode on the Jordan Staal trade tree? I've worked out a few trees from the last 10 years or so and the Jordan Staal tree is *so much bigger* than I thought it would be! That one was a really interesting deep dive.
The one that sent Staal to Carolina?
@@coreylineberry8557 Yep. Carolina's branch is about at simple as can be, but the Pittsburgh side just keeps going and I think is still going today
Wanna feel worse Thrashers fans? They originally had the 8th overall pick before trading down with the Sharks to 12. Now the 8th pick was Devin Setoguchi. Not bad, had a 30 goal and 60 point season in 08-09. But 11th overall was the real prize they missed. Anze Kopitar. As a Kings fan, I thank you and all of the other 9 (I don't count Pittsburgh cause Crosby) for passing on him
If someone gets taken from the expansion draft we should include the next most valuable player in line for the trade tree, as technically that player would have been gone if they traded the player who did got taken prior.
Can there be a single trade tree that doesn't include an unrelated shot at the Leafs? It feels like 99% of them do.
Like Povalec, Eric Christensen ended up playing for the Rangers as well, likely more games than for Atlanta.
Omg … Pavelec reads basically as it would be Paveletz …
Red Wings legend Marc Staal. Hee-hee.
I wonder if the Steve Downie trade out of Tampa is connected to any trade tree...
So I just watched this and we're just going to skip that Robert Bortuzzo got traded to the Blues from the Pens and won a cup there? Also he got traded for Defenseman Ian Cole
Do the Tuukka Rask trade tree lol
Red Wings legend
When he said you guessed it for the dupis (sorry for spelling) I thought he was gunna say rangers again
Insert Ralph gif
I'M LEARNING
and this is where Steve falls down on things, The pick he is talking about, started the day in San Jose. Not Atlanta. Thrashers traded their 8th to san jose for the 12th, a 2nd and 7th and when they flipped the pick they got the 1st and a 2nd. So by trading down twice they screwed the pooch. Who did the thrashers get? Alex Bourret, Ondrej Pavelec, Chad Denny, and Myles Stoesz. Now that is bad
Steve, Ondrej Pavelec was an AWFUL goaltender! 22-16-8 = 24 games he lost, 8 in OT/Shootout. Even his .920 season he was only good against the WORST teams in the NHL, and went 3 months... THREE MONTHS, without beating a single team who ended up making the playoffs! I know that stat because I had to tell people how bad he REALLY was!
On that side deal with Vegas, did Vegas really receive a third and the 13th overall for the 24th overall? It feels .. wrong?
It was a side deal so that Vegas wouldn’t take Toby enstrom
@@kylesigfusson1174 thank you for clarifying that 🙂
I like Marc on the wings
Atlanta left because they had no arena. They were profitable and had fans. But without an arena, they could not play.
Just a minor editing comment - the little beeps and boops that accompany new entries on the trade tree are *really loud* relative to Steve's voice.
Otherwise love the trade trees!
I'm so glad someone else knows the kickass and chew bubblegum phrase haha thanks Steve!
The Cam Neely Trade Tree (if you ever do it) would have to be one of the WORST trades in history because it starts with Boston GETTING Cam and a FIRST ROUNDER for Barry Pederson! The first rounder BTW would be THIRD overall. And it just goes from there. It's not long but yeah....that one doesn't go so well for Vancouver.
Is there something like these on Scott Stevens?
This tree starts BEFORE this with the Thrashers sending the 8th overall pick to the Sharks for the 12th pick, the 49th pick, and the 207th pick. The 8th overall pick? Devin Setoguchi. If that name doesn't ring a bell don't worry.....he was dealt AWAY from the Sharks to the Wild.....if you're a fan of either team you know that trade.....BRENT BURNS!
Sandis Ozolinsh and Owen Nolan
"but people forget there was a Hockey Market that lost their team"
Is Atlanta really a Hockey Market though? I think it's been proven that it isn't by now.
Just an fyi, Colby is a type of cheese, and Armstrong BC originally made Armstrong cheese. Does that make Colby Armstrong extra cheesy?
It's bonkers that this is titled the Marc Staal Trade Tree when in reality its the Devin Setoguchi circle, here we go; when the dust settled on the 2005 draft lottery ATL had the 8th overall pick, San Jose had the 12th and NYR had the 16th. Firstly, San Jose sent picks 12, 49 and 207 for pick number 8 (Devin Setoguchi). All the stuff in the video for WPG/NYR holds true but if we follow Setoguchi then he and Charlie Coyle and a 1st rd pick in 2011 get traded from SJ to MIN for Brent Burns and a 2nd rd pick in 2012. Setoguchi spends 2 years in MIN before being shipped to, you guessed it, WPG for a 2nd rd pick in 2014. The second round picks ended up being Pontus Aberg and Vitek Vanecek, both of whom were also traded thus creating even more branches. Would've made a much better video in my opinion.
Do the Tukka rask trade tree
Steve you should do the tuukka rask trade tree🤣🤣
anyone else completely forget that E. Staal was a Ranger??