This is YJ from SpyLabs. I have seen many comments in the past few hours and would like to explain a few decisions we made and some clarifications regarding QC and support. 1. Janky Power Cable. I would like to clarify that we DO NOT ship modified power cables. LTT bought the case from a reseller and to our knowledge, the power cable was modified by them. We do not ship modified power cables or anything carrying lethal amounts of electricity. There is also no stock issues regarding the power cable. Every case will come with a working, non-modified power cable. There is also no need to modify the power cable to fit large air coolers, frankly, that is a bit ridiculous to expect anyone to do. As such the case has various cutouts and tie-down points to run the power cable as a pigtail. We note that the instruction manual is not clear about this and will improve on it for future batches. 2. QC issues. We take full responsibility for the various build quality issues, namely, the untapped screw hole, broken screw, rusty screws and glued GPU Mount. In any case, rusty screws, untapped components, glued together parts are definitely not what we aspire for. However, due to a small team with not a lot of experience selling similar products, some issues does make it past us. We are learning from the process via customer feedback, and we thank LTT for making this video and bringing some of the issues to light. We remain committed as always to provide full support to customers facing any QC issues and will ship out the affected components FOC worldwide. 3. Why is the case flat-packed? Simply, to reduce shipping costs. It costs 3-4X as much to ship the case fully assembled. Next, the easiest way of doing a build in the JOAT is to assemble the case along with the PC components. Do check out a video on my channel where this process is filmed. We will improve this and make clearer instructions on the build process. We welcome anyone who has any questions to email us and we will reply promptly. Thanks for taking your time to read this. -YJ
>LTT bought the case from a reseller lmao, LTT didn't explain that? Come on, Lienus. Imagine buying a GPU from eBay, "And, see, it's all scratched up. AMD, what the hell?!"
You may want to check the case made by me ( check its tutorial video on my channel ) and may want to ask steve to review it. It got 100% hole for cooler.
@@egg_addict dont worry, i filed a report. Type of report: impersonation He is trying to be the sidemen and hopefully they will remove and ban his account
@@Mizu14. Sadly these accounts are just bots and are as disposable as burner phones. What would be better is for youtube to implement a system for creators to ban certain strings of words that appear repeatedly (So comments like "petition x" would still be allowed etc). But that seems like too far of a request for youtube.
@@GiulianBeltran Portrait and landscape are still apt descriptions lifted from the orientation of a phone. Vertical for Portrait, Landscape for Horizontal.
@@GiulianBeltran I imagine he was saying it jokingly since he used quotes. Landscape and portrait are also used for word documents or setting up your monitor orientation. So go be a smartass somewhere else.
1) Make a mesh filter versions using the metal frame with support bands down the middle to keep the mesh rigid 2) Coloured metals including a copper look would be awesome.
It makes me feel so good about my PC building experiences to hear linus say "OK... I installed the front panel connectors on a USB header." Anyone can do shit like this this, regardless of the amount of building experience they have. If you are building for your first time, expect to make mistakes and just keep going. It happens to literally everyone. Also, the tape tip is genius. I can't believe he didn't point it out as a literal Linus Tech Tip, because that's exactly what it is and he just blew right over it. Missed opportunity for a joke even if it would have been too on the nose.
@@orderlyhippo1569 Dust usually won't damage the components, but could introduce many thermal issues. I had a SFF system for ~3 years, recently disassambled and cleaned. The top of the CPU cooler fins is covered by a layer of cat hair+dust mix. Given that it is stucked between the fan and the fins, high pressure air would not do anything. Same thing for case fans, couldn't clean at all without disassambly.
@@orderlyhippo1569 Higher temps within factory specs affect the longevity of your parts. Significantly? No. Measurably? Yes. Higher temps also affect the stability of your system (especially if/when overclocking) as well as overall performance of the parts. The major problem with dust is that it clogs up fans, this can drastically reduce the life of your fans, and that creates other issues.
If they sent this to Linus, knowing the exposure it was going to get, and didn't care enough to the point they sent him rusty screws and a power cable that is an actual life threat if you don't know what you are doing, imagine what they'll send to customers...
Hi, this is YJ from SpyLabs. I would like to clarify that we DO NOT ship modified power cables. LTT bought the case from a reseller and to our knowledge, the power cable was modified by them. We do not ship modified power cables or anything carrying lethal amounts of electricity. There is also no stock issues regarding the power cable. Every case will come with a working, non-modified power cable. There is also no need to modify the power cable to fit large air coolers, frankly, that is a bit ridiculous to expect anyone to do. As such the case has various cutouts and tie-down points to run the power cable as a pigtail. We note that the instruction manual is not clear about this and will improve on it for future batches. With regards to build quality issues, we do provide extra screws just in case a screw comes in defective. In any case, rusty screws, untapped components, glued together parts are definitely not what we aspire for. However, due to a small team with not a lot of experience selling similar products, some issues does make it past us. We are learning from the process via customer feedback, and we thank LTT for making this video and bringing some of the issues to light. We remain committed as always to provide full support to customers facing any QC issues and will ship out the affected components FOC worldwide. We welcome anyone who has any question to email us and we will reply promptly. Thanks for taking your time to read this. -YJ
@@Bill-ij4wh Nope. LTT did not contact us once for any issues they faced during the build process. Nor was there any contact between LTT and SpyLabs ever. I know for a fact that the reseller modified it because the reseller emailed me saying LTT has bought the JOAT 14.9 case from him. I would also like to note that modifying the cable is not necessary to fit large air coolers, frankly, that is a bit ridiculous to expect anyone to do. As such the case has various cutouts and tie-down points to run the power cable as a pigtail. We note that the instruction manual is not clear about this and will improve on it for future batches.
Always use 8.8 or greater screw strenght and you'll never have to go grab a drillbit ever again. You can tighten it as hard as you possibly can by hand and if you use Torx (Pentalope?) you'll also never ever slip it. Never use blacked screws cause as you can see they will still rust. A2 stainless for metals you touch, A4 stainless fot metals who are in constant contact with water, chemicals, whatever.
That's fine until one day you try to remove your motherboard, and the steel screw won't come out of the brass standoff, and when you turn the screw, it just spins and unscrews the standoff, leaving the pair stuck in the motherboard hole.
@@noxious89123 friendly advice, if you find this happening to you, you may be over tightening your mobo screws, they really only need to be kinda snug. At any rate, if/when that happens, that's why I've got pliers
SFF builds are certainly more difficult and require more planning than your typical mid-tower build, but I've always found the end result to be far more satisfying. Although, I've never had a case come with so many oddities 😅
@@robertagren9360 "Tapping" here refers not to repeatedly lightly hitting something, but thread tapping, the process of threads being cut into a material with the intent of it receiving a screw or thread (the tool to do so being called, you guessed it, a tap). Self-tapping screws, or "self-tappers," cut their own threads as they're being screwed in, usually without even a receiving hole being drilled. They're used incredibly often when working with wood, but they can also be used with plastic and other soft materials.
I just have one question about this build: wouldn’t you be able to squeeze in a bit more performance by adding in the Founder’s Edition RTX 3070 or 3070 Ti, both of them the same size as the 3060 Ti?
Hey Linus can I buy one of your small form factor PCs or play you in halo for one (I watched the rtx graphics card "beat Linus at a game" episode before this lol)
I love SFF PCs. I built a Min-ITX 3060Ti Ryzen 5 5600X PC about 6 months ago. I live in a giant Asian city where space is at a premium, so the smaller PC is practical. Also, It's just aesthetically pleasing, fitting in nicely with all the other stuff in my office. The thermals are great, but oh yeah cable management was tough. I have the Cooler Master NR200 case. It's a well designed case with good airflow.
@@mrducky179 A lot of small form factor cases do that these days. The idea is that if you're gonna have to take it apart to get your components in anyway, may as well ship it flat. Also international shipping costs are insane these days, so this lets them ship more units for less.
"JOAT. Not to be confused with the GOAT, it's not the greatest of all time." My monkey brain honestly thought you'd say "It's the JREATEST of all time."
My small form factor computer is just running a few game servers on it, and only has a basic graphics card for video output to a monitor. I just have a CPU fan in there and it seems to be fine.
I got one of these cases from the first batch they made. Was very happy with the quality overall. Cound have used some extra screws but I got similar ones form the hardware store. The power cable I used from a Sharkoon QB One / C10. Fits perfectly with a Bequiet Dark Rock 4. Yes it collects dust, but its very easy to clean.
Nyloc nuts are awesome... unless your paranoid you don't need a spring/star washer aswell ! If you remove a Nyloc its best to replace it, as its nylon is less elastic and is forming a thread over time
I’m genuinely curious as to why they thought sending a sketchy power cable and rusty screws to the biggest tech reviewer on youtube was going to go well for them…
I have a NR200P, which I managed to squeeze in a 280mm radiator. I never thought I would have a SFF with 8 fans in it (including PSU and GPU). Very quiet though and very happy.
Or you can just buy the SSUPD Meshilicious which is 14.6 Liters, has great airflow and dust protection, and is super easy to build in all for $120.... lol
@@megasoctopuslegionofcake6248 yeah you're going to want at least a small liquid cooler for your CPU in the Meshlicious. Source: I use a 120 mil for my 3600 and my CPU / GPU temperatures are both phenomenal. Dramatically better than my old tu-150
@@megasoctopuslegionofcake6248 That's true but luckily it's really easy to get a 240/ 280mm aio in the meshilicious which would be better then the dh-15 anyways and the same price lol. Or if you really want air there's plenty of slim coolers that are perfectly fine for a 6 core processor.
I really love that beeping sensor sound in the background song as if there's a car trying to reverse in the background (13:50). Not distracting at all.
I can't believe these companies can sell this shit for the price of something like a Phanteks Enthoo Evolv X. It's got to be something like 1/16th the amount of production costs, overhead, materials, etc. when compared to a case as chonky as that one. So there's literally no reason for it to cost so much, except for the fact that these guys know a bunch of jokers will pay that much for 4 panels that took 10 minutes to stamp 30 of these out of a $200 sheet of aluminum.
@@AlphaMachina LTT took credit for the cable. Still incredibly stupid that they require a 3rd party cable to get their case working with a large cooler (I guess that's one of the big selling points). But yeah, the issues overall kinda disqualify everything.
@@AlphaMachina Not to excuse that sketch cable, but economies of scale likely favor Phanteks. Even considering the manufacturer's point of view, the awful QA should never happen in that price range. But charging more for a SFF case from a smaller manufacturer is understandable. I just buy a $60 ATX case and save my money.
14:52 this is probably already covered in one of the other 2,700 comments on this video, but that board comes with an adaptor that you log all of the front panel headers into, then the adaptor is just a single thing to plug into the board. Makes things very easy to manage. I built a PC with that particular board just last weekend.
I live in the desert. I need a case with high air flow but it needs to be filtered to keep out all the desert dust. I'm 5:40 in and definitely don't want this case due to too much sketchiness.
I think the nr200p is the only easy sfx solution, and many people don't even consider it sff case. It feels like being awful to work with is a prereq to being sff.
Tbh, just get the SF750 and forget about it. It's super quiet (in my build it's actually passive most of the time) and apparently can handle 3090 build no problem.
Sff builds are not only fairly easy (if you get the right case), they're also rewarding as well, and more appealing because the idea of cramming as much hardware into a small package is quite cool in my opinion
Yeah, after re-buildung in my massive dual-GPU E-ATX X99 system, I was delighted how easy it is to work on my ITX system where I can take out mobo and cooler with just one hand.
Loved this video, gotta love those front panel connections especially when you set them up wrong... I have done that to many times. Thank you for the great content and also mentioning D.O.C.P for AMD Ram overclocking
I mean, that means people give more fuk about functionality than the looks/aesthetics, or in other words ignore judging the latter. Doesn't mean it has to look bland tho. It's just that make it as ugly or pretty as you want. We don't care, we don't give a fuk. That and for a given production budget it'd be cheaper to minimize efforts on aesthetics and maximize on functionality. Like 90% practicality and 10% for decorations. But I do understand where you're taking this pun to
The "function over form" slogan comes from early 20th century modernist architects. It doesn't mean, that the form should be forgotten. It means exactly the opposite - the form should FOLLOW the function. To be more precise, in the full version of the slogan formulated by Le Corbusier it was a 3 element chain: function>form>construction. With the function determining the form of the object and form determining used construction methods. What the manufacturers of this case meant, is that the form was a consequence of the functional premises for the project.
For small form factor, I recommend something like SAMA IM01. Similar to NR200 but very cheap. It's about 2" longer and taller than this case, holds a full size ATX power supply, and I packed it with 4x120mm case fans, an almost full size GPU and a Noctua NH-U9 heatsink and fan. You can squeeze in a 3.5" hard drive on top of that as well as one or two 2.5" SSDs. No need to go do ridiculous things for a SFF build.
"Jack of all trades - and master of none" translates to german "Hans Dampf in allen Gassen". Thought you guys might need to know^^ I think it's kinda funny, that it can be meant poisitivly and negativly. Luv it! great video!
Please tell me I am not the only one that deeply appreciates the subtle Red Green reference in the opening sequence!! I can’t be the only old(er) guy watching this channel!
Came down to the comments looking for a man of culture... No, not high class culture... The kind of culture that looks at a toolbox full of duct tape and an old bus, and goes "Oh, I know _Giant Hotrod!"_
I think most people have forgotten about that show, or the young generation that mostly watches LTT never watched _The Red Green Show._ Loved that show as a kid.
@@MirekFe I'm grateful my local PBS station aired them for so long. I think they had episodes airing as recently as 2 years ago. Seen so many old episodes. Inspired so many insane hackjob repairs... My blower motor died on my central air many moons ago... While I waited to get the replacement motor, I made do by using cardboard, a salvaged car radiator fan, a car battery charger... And of course, duct tape, to create a temporary blower, so that I wouldn't swelter while waiting on parts!
@@RMZ228 *Quote:* _or the young generation that mostly watches LTT_ Hence the word "mostly". I should've been more specific, when I wrote that comment.
There's also dgpu-less mini stx/dtx and thin mini itx builds. They are some of the easiest builds you could do, cable management is a non issue as all the power is routed directly through the Mobo. Built an ASRock deskmini years ago and it took all of twenty minutes despite being entirely unfamiliar with the case and system.
@@CockatooDude Destructoid's videogame podcast circa 2011. Also known as "New Podtoid," or "Podtoid with Max and Tara." That era starts at episode 149. I couldn't tell you the first episode chungus was mentioned, but episode 205 from 2012 was the first time it was used in the title of an episode.
2019: ridge wallet wants to redefine the wallet 2020: ridge wallet is redefining the wallet 2021:ridge wallet has redefined the wallet "Oh ya it's all coming together"
if you build pc's with any kind of frequency you should own a victorinox cyber tool, apart from all the usual things like pliers, blades and the driver bits it comes with, the screw driver with no bits in it perfectly fits motherboard mounts and the hook works well for cable management
As soon as I saw that power cable, that thing would be sent back to wherever I ordered it. 2020 is just not an acceptable excuse to use when it comes to putting a fire hazard in 1000's of homes. This is just laziness and poor quality manufacturing at it's finest.
@@TechnoBabble They are probably outsourcing everything, having it shipped to them, putting it in their box and then selling it as their own. However when a company does this, they take on the responsibility of the quality of the products that they market as their own, if you put your name on the box, then in the consumers eyes it was made by you, even though that's usually not the case.
I would love Linus to actually review a much better sffx pc though, maybe something like the ACAT X1, or anything from the ZS case lineup. Much better quality for the money, and reasonable build process.
Man, I love SFF builds but man I also love having 6.5 terabytes of relatively cheap storage. That said I did buy a 2TB NVMe drive for under $200 at one point sooooo
@@mikeycrackson that and often requiring a different setup for production than their larger counterparts. sometimes requiring specialized tools for production.
@@masterlinktm Also requiring extra design time and sometimes extra parts. The parts are to make almost any parts work in the system, and the design takes significantly longer because you need to make sure any/all critical parts fit. Power supplies are also an issue because you need to shove the same amount of power and cooling into an often significantly smaller space.
Aside from the dust issue, I'd also be wondering how well the system would keep cool since there's no fans to force air along the other components of the motherboard.
The bit about PSU's at 6:20 tells me that for future products, all RTX cards (if not all components in general, but it seems RTX cards or AMD equivalents may be more prone to it) could really benefit from having a Peak Power Draw spec in their listings. If peak draw is different enough from average draw that it could kill PSU's, then it's probably worth listing that difference.
This is YJ from SpyLabs.
I have seen many comments in the past few hours and would like to explain a few decisions we made and some clarifications regarding QC and support.
1. Janky Power Cable.
I would like to clarify that we DO NOT ship modified power cables.
LTT bought the case from a reseller and to our knowledge, the power cable was modified by them.
We do not ship modified power cables or anything carrying lethal amounts of electricity.
There is also no stock issues regarding the power cable. Every case will come with a working, non-modified power cable.
There is also no need to modify the power cable to fit large air coolers, frankly, that is a bit ridiculous to expect anyone to do.
As such the case has various cutouts and tie-down points to run the power cable as a pigtail.
We note that the instruction manual is not clear about this and will improve on it for future batches.
2. QC issues.
We take full responsibility for the various build quality issues, namely, the untapped screw hole, broken screw, rusty screws and glued GPU Mount.
In any case, rusty screws, untapped components, glued together parts are definitely not what we aspire for.
However, due to a small team with not a lot of experience selling similar products, some issues does make it past us.
We are learning from the process via customer feedback, and we thank LTT for making this video and bringing some of the issues to light.
We remain committed as always to provide full support to customers facing any QC issues and will ship out the affected components FOC worldwide.
3. Why is the case flat-packed?
Simply, to reduce shipping costs. It costs 3-4X as much to ship the case fully assembled.
Next, the easiest way of doing a build in the JOAT is to assemble the case along with the PC components.
Do check out a video on my channel where this process is filmed.
We will improve this and make clearer instructions on the build process.
We welcome anyone who has any questions to email us and we will reply promptly.
Thanks for taking your time to read this.
-YJ
Sus, looks like some rival sabotaged your supply distribution chain
Jankiest
Of
All
Time
Hopefully your QC process will be more strict in the future but definitely will be staying away for now.
>LTT bought the case from a reseller
lmao, LTT didn't explain that? Come on, Lienus. Imagine buying a GPU from eBay, "And, see, it's all scratched up. AMD, what the hell?!"
@@ikjadoon linus probably didn't know that
I appreciate the succinctness of the title. 10/10 would read again.
hi
1000/10
@Sidemen 🅥 I will never trust my curiosity again. Your V is for Villain.
Edit: and you're a spam bot.
Best title yet
When "Not an easy small form factor build" becomes impossible to say because the meta is to include a question mark in there somewhere.
Give a raise to whoever's nailed that dust effect from the compressed air
15:42 Y.W.
You're impressed by that? Lmao
@@TheSonicFan4More like unexpected.
Has to be denis
@@TheSonicFan4 another feeling superior boi right here
Steve from Gamersnexus: "in our opnion this mesh is still too obstructive to airflow" XD
50% of it is holes!
@@dscarmo oh good - you got the joke
Paying $180 for literally something they can whip up on a CNC machine or even a laser cutter in like an hour.
@@Dtr146 its sort of like buying underwear. less material == more expensive;
You may want to check the case made by me ( check its tutorial video on my channel ) and may want to ask steve to review it. It got 100% hole for cooler.
My favorite part of this channel is when Linus says “Here’s a little tech tip for ya”
LTT
Little Tech Tips
I know right, and then he techtipped all over them
Truly one of the tech tips of all time
It's linusin time
@@General12thwasn’t it that already?
Shout out to whomever was responsible for the dust effect on the case. A small touch, but I still noticed it.👍
I had to skip back. I was like, "wait, did dust just come out of it?"
Happened as soon as I read your comment.
@@atomterrible almost didn't realize what I'd just seen. Was another thirty seconds before I just stopped said out loud "wait, what?"
I saw it and realized it was an effect but that looked super real!
time stamp?
"for its price, it's really not that practical..."
Yeah...yeah...I would think so...
@@egg_addict dont worry, i filed a report.
Type of report: impersonation
He is trying to be the sidemen and hopefully they will remove and ban his account
@@egg_addict They make new bots every day. Yesterday it was "TommyInnit" and today it is Sidemen :/
@@Mizu14. Sadly these accounts are just bots and are as disposable as burner phones. What would be better is for youtube to implement a system for creators to ban certain strings of words that appear repeatedly (So comments like "petition x" would still be allowed etc). But that seems like too far of a request for youtube.
@@egg_addict what is he even trying to do with that link? What is the purpose?
@@arishatz91 they get money every time someone clicks on it im pretty sure
The weird USB-C location is so you can use the case in 'portrait' mode, if that makes sense x)
but then the standard power would be on the bottom and unreachable?
@@zongledongle Linus says there's 2-3 spots to put the power button.
Vertical and horizontal, portrait is a photography term for pictures of people, not position.
@@GiulianBeltran Portrait and landscape are still apt descriptions lifted from the orientation of a phone. Vertical for Portrait, Landscape for Horizontal.
@@GiulianBeltran I imagine he was saying it jokingly since he used quotes. Landscape and portrait are also used for word documents or setting up your monitor orientation. So go be a smartass somewhere else.
1) Make a mesh filter versions using the metal frame with support bands down the middle to keep the mesh rigid
2) Coloured metals including a copper look would be awesome.
It makes me feel so good about my PC building experiences to hear linus say "OK... I installed the front panel connectors on a USB header." Anyone can do shit like this this, regardless of the amount of building experience they have. If you are building for your first time, expect to make mistakes and just keep going. It happens to literally everyone. Also, the tape tip is genius. I can't believe he didn't point it out as a literal Linus Tech Tip, because that's exactly what it is and he just blew right over it. Missed opportunity for a joke even if it would have been too on the nose.
This case takes dust flow to a whole new level.
I have a thermaltake ah600 and i don't know how i don't have dust yet
@@freevbucks8019 give it a few months...
Is dust flow really a problem? Won’t high pressure air clear it all out easily? I genuinely don’t know if it’s bad for the components
@@orderlyhippo1569 Dust usually won't damage the components, but could introduce many thermal issues.
I had a SFF system for ~3 years, recently disassambled and cleaned. The top of the CPU cooler fins is covered by a layer of cat hair+dust mix. Given that it is stucked between the fan and the fins, high pressure air would not do anything. Same thing for case fans, couldn't clean at all without disassambly.
@@orderlyhippo1569 Higher temps within factory specs affect the longevity of your parts. Significantly? No. Measurably? Yes. Higher temps also affect the stability of your system (especially if/when overclocking) as well as overall performance of the parts. The major problem with dust is that it clogs up fans, this can drastically reduce the life of your fans, and that creates other issues.
This case has potential honestly. Hope the weird QC issues get ironed out.
If they sent this to Linus, knowing the exposure it was going to get, and didn't care enough to the point they sent him rusty screws and a power cable that is an actual life threat if you don't know what you are doing, imagine what they'll send to customers...
Hi, this is YJ from SpyLabs.
I would like to clarify that we DO NOT ship modified power cables. LTT bought the case from a reseller and to our knowledge, the power cable was modified by them. We do not ship modified power cables or anything carrying lethal amounts of electricity.
There is also no stock issues regarding the power cable. Every case will come with a working, non-modified power cable.
There is also no need to modify the power cable to fit large air coolers, frankly, that is a bit ridiculous to expect anyone to do.
As such the case has various cutouts and tie-down points to run the power cable as a pigtail.
We note that the instruction manual is not clear about this and will improve on it for future batches.
With regards to build quality issues, we do provide extra screws just in case a screw comes in defective.
In any case, rusty screws, untapped components, glued together parts are definitely not what we aspire for.
However, due to a small team with not a lot of experience selling similar products, some issues does make it past us.
We are learning from the process via customer feedback, and we thank LTT for making this video and bringing some of the issues to light.
We remain committed as always to provide full support to customers facing any QC issues and will ship out the affected components FOC worldwide.
We welcome anyone who has any question to email us and we will reply promptly.
Thanks for taking your time to read this.
-YJ
@@iLoveROTATIONS Any idea where Linus got the story about having the end user modifying the cable? Did they contact you guys?
@@Bill-ij4wh Nope. LTT did not contact us once for any issues they faced during the build process. Nor was there any contact between LTT and SpyLabs ever. I know for a fact that the reseller modified it because the reseller emailed me saying LTT has bought the JOAT 14.9 case from him.
I would also like to note that modifying the cable is not necessary to fit large air coolers, frankly, that is a bit ridiculous to expect anyone to do.
As such the case has various cutouts and tie-down points to run the power cable as a pigtail.
We note that the instruction manual is not clear about this and will improve on it for future batches.
@@iLoveROTATIONS Thank you for clarifying! Much love
"Any screw is a self tapper if you press hard enough."
Either that or a stripped screw.
Self-tapping _and_ tamper-resistant.
is crap shit
then you're not pressing hard enough
@@21LOLxPRO we will never know
Always use 8.8 or greater screw strenght and you'll never have to go grab a drillbit ever again. You can tighten it as hard as you possibly can by hand and if you use Torx (Pentalope?) you'll also never ever slip it. Never use blacked screws cause as you can see they will still rust. A2 stainless for metals you touch, A4 stainless fot metals who are in constant contact with water, chemicals, whatever.
I have literally never installed motherboard standoffs at any tightness other than "finger"
That's fine until one day you try to remove your motherboard, and the steel screw won't come out of the brass standoff, and when you turn the screw, it just spins and unscrews the standoff, leaving the pair stuck in the motherboard hole.
@@noxious89123 friendly advice, if you find this happening to you, you may be over tightening your mobo screws, they really only need to be kinda snug.
At any rate, if/when that happens, that's why I've got pliers
@@spaceduck413 Thats why I use pliers on the motherboard standoffs.
SFF builds are certainly more difficult and require more planning than your typical mid-tower build, but I've always found the end result to be far more satisfying. Although, I've never had a case come with so many oddities 😅
When you're hoping they say that smaller is better :(
Yo hippyo is here. Pretty cool
howdy hey hipyo! hope you're having a wonderful day (:
Hello random verified RUclips I’ve never heard about
Mx browns are nice tactile switches
hi hipyo, how u doing?
That thing looks like a dust collector if I’ve ever seen one.
hello person with subscribers how are you
Thing is, they seen to never come with a magnetic filter to help reduce the dust in the system.
luckily they sell air compressors
@@badatcad fr . like it's basic pc maintenance lmao
im also not into cases that are too holy ,one mistake and ya drinks all inside of ya PC and ruined thousands of pounds of hardware
That compressed air/dust particle effect was dope
Thought he was spitting lol
Didn't even notice it initially, that was great haha
It was indeed dope. Super easy to achieve to. It's just footage of dust / particles tracked to the shot.
"Any screw is a self-tapper if you press hard enough" - Linus Sebastian
You nailed it! No better words have been said!
As someone with experience doing this ungodly tactic that is true
Linus: "But that's not actually the case..."
ba-dum-tsch
Linus: "One of the dumbest things I've done today"
No worries....the day is still young
its literally 30 min for the next day
@@oksowhat Not where Linus lives...it's still early morning
@@Mason-gz3tl i mean they shot this video atleast couple of days ago, so who knows
but how is the count for the week, month, quarter year?
No, earth is already old
"Any screw is a self-tapper if you press hard enough." -LinusComplianceTips
Linus no!
No, if you tap it in , it becomes a nail and even industrial nails have the weakness that they are all straight relying on the material not expanding.
@@robertagren9360 "Tapping" here refers not to repeatedly lightly hitting something, but thread tapping, the process of threads being cut into a material with the intent of it receiving a screw or thread (the tool to do so being called, you guessed it, a tap). Self-tapping screws, or "self-tappers," cut their own threads as they're being screwed in, usually without even a receiving hole being drilled. They're used incredibly often when working with wood, but they can also be used with plastic and other soft materials.
They are very common in case fans
until the shears off....
The Drop + Captain America Keycaps will be available tomorrow, check back then!
I just have one question about this build: wouldn’t you be able to squeeze in a bit more performance by adding in the Founder’s Edition RTX 3070 or 3070 Ti, both of them the same size as the 3060 Ti?
ok
Best tech show in the world 🌎 keep it up.
Hey Linus can I buy one of your small form factor PCs or play you in halo for one (I watched the rtx graphics card "beat Linus at a game" episode before this lol)
hi Linus, " if you ever need a extra worker,
(ive seen the pc builds), lol
Linus did a really good job of picking a case to show how easy sff pcs can be
I love SFF PCs. I built a Min-ITX 3060Ti Ryzen 5 5600X PC about 6 months ago. I live in a giant Asian city where space is at a premium, so the smaller PC is practical. Also, It's just aesthetically pleasing, fitting in nicely with all the other stuff in my office. The thermals are great, but oh yeah cable management was tough.
I have the Cooler Master NR200 case. It's a well designed case with good airflow.
Got to love the Red Green show Quote at the beginning reassures the Canadian Heritage
i'm pulling for Linus, we're all in this together!
Glad I wasn't the only one who went there :)
The day Linus reached for the manual, it doesn't have the full instructions.
Linus: "Never though elegance mattered that much to me"
Solid gold Xbox controller: ...
That's not elegance, it's swag
@@thefirehawk1495 it's dapper yes
"It's time for the chungus" made me laugh more than it should have
Same lol
I appreciate that somebody took the time and effort to actually add in a dust effect at 15:47
ah, I was wondering what that was.
JOAT actually stands for jankiest of all time.
imagine paying 150 bucks for a case that comes in pieces, ig they share that trait with cyberpower pc
I was just going to say that.
@@mrducky179 A lot of small form factor cases do that these days. The idea is that if you're gonna have to take it apart to get your components in anyway, may as well ship it flat. Also international shipping costs are insane these days, so this lets them ship more units for less.
Literally my first thought
I knew someone had to have commented this before me, and i didn't have to scroll far down :D
"JOAT. Not to be confused with the GOAT, it's not the greatest of all time."
My monkey brain honestly thought you'd say "It's the JREATEST of all time."
Ended up being the Jankiest Of All Time.
Makes as much sense as people who say gif as Jif
@@kenzieduckmoo the creator intended it to be pronounced jif but I don't think they care
I wish Linus would actually try a SFF case that's loved by the SFF community, not bad apples.
Like the SSUPD
Nr200p and its new format nr200p max
Well he does have an SG13 for his home theater gaming pc
Dan A4
Ncase M1
I absolutely love the Red Green reference in the intro. Wonder how many others caught that.
My small form factor computer is just running a few game servers on it, and only has a basic graphics card for video output to a monitor. I just have a CPU fan in there and it seems to be fine.
If they fixed the QC issues, that looks like it would be a neat case.
I could almost roll the dice with the defects I like it so much
I got one of these cases from the first batch they made. Was very happy with the quality overall. Cound have used some extra screws but I got similar ones form the hardware store. The power cable I used from a Sharkoon QB One / C10. Fits perfectly with a Bequiet Dark Rock 4. Yes it collects dust, but its very easy to clean.
Linus: lets show that small builds are sth everyone can do
the build: *are you sure about that?*
JOAT: Jankiest Of All Time
Simply magnificent.
@TommyInnit 🅥 I found you, faker!
my thoughts exactly
15:48 that effect was awesome! Short circuited my brain for a second there
Nyloc nuts are awesome... unless your paranoid you don't need a spring/star washer aswell !
If you remove a Nyloc its best to replace it, as its nylon is less elastic and is forming a thread over time
I’m genuinely curious as to why they thought sending a sketchy power cable and rusty screws to the biggest tech reviewer on youtube was going to go well for them…
Oh, they sent this to MKBHD as well? =)
Linus and Alex didn't know if they bought this or it was a review sample
Or was it said after the end sponsor spot?
@@Ikxi It was mentioned after the thing was brought up.
@@Ikxi They clearly say its a review unit. If you buy off the shelf they ONLY include the unwired cable, allowing you to make one yourself.
@@jubuttib ouch
I have a NR200P, which I managed to squeeze in a 280mm radiator.
I never thought I would have a SFF with 8 fans in it (including PSU and GPU). Very quiet though and very happy.
Or you can just buy the SSUPD Meshilicious which is 14.6 Liters, has great airflow and dust protection, and is super easy to build in all for $120.... lol
You're a bit stuck trying to aircool a meshilicious though, no way to get a dh-15 in that bad boi.
@@megasoctopuslegionofcake6248 yeah you're going to want at least a small liquid cooler for your CPU in the Meshlicious. Source: I use a 120 mil for my 3600 and my CPU / GPU temperatures are both phenomenal. Dramatically better than my old tu-150
@@megasoctopuslegionofcake6248 That's true but luckily it's really easy to get a 240/ 280mm aio in the meshilicious which would be better then the dh-15 anyways and the same price lol. Or if you really want air there's plenty of slim coolers that are perfectly fine for a 6 core processor.
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www.youtubesolit.com/watch?v=iwG1HnoCKr8
The case seems like a really good template for some really cool custom paint schemes. Hopefully all of the weird issues get worked out.
I really love that beeping sensor sound in the background song as if there's a car trying to reverse in the background (13:50). Not distracting at all.
"if they they don't find you handsome they should at least find you handy." - uncle red green
I was delighted to see a Red Green reference.
But the real question is when we’ll see a case built with the Handyman Secret Weapon: Duct tape.
@@OhhCrapGuy IIRC they have used duct tape on a scrapyard wars build years ago. Maybe I'm not remembering right but I swear they did.
Everyone knows VHB is the new duck tape anyways.
@@SpicyOliv HPHT (hot pink hokey tape) is what's skookum as frig!
"if it aint broke, your not trying" - also red green
Ngl, the rusted screws is what made me reconsider actually buying it for my next build.
Oh, is that all? lmao I thought maybe it would have been the untapped screw holes or the deadly electrical cable.
I can't believe these companies can sell this shit for the price of something like a Phanteks Enthoo Evolv X. It's got to be something like 1/16th the amount of production costs, overhead, materials, etc. when compared to a case as chonky as that one. So there's literally no reason for it to cost so much, except for the fact that these guys know a bunch of jokers will pay that much for 4 panels that took 10 minutes to stamp 30 of these out of a $200 sheet of aluminum.
@@AlphaMachina LTT took credit for the cable. Still incredibly stupid that they require a 3rd party cable to get their case working with a large cooler (I guess that's one of the big selling points).
But yeah, the issues overall kinda disqualify everything.
@@AlphaMachina Not to excuse that sketch cable, but economies of scale likely favor Phanteks. Even considering the manufacturer's point of view, the awful QA should never happen in that price range. But charging more for a SFF case from a smaller manufacturer is understandable. I just buy a $60 ATX case and save my money.
I would consider it if the price was
Hello Linus luv ur vids and your channel is like my medicine
I use his videos to fall asleep so that i dont feel lonely
I loved the Uncle Red reference in the intro! The RedGreen show was hilarious!
This video feels like your parents saying "I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed."
I absolutely love the Red Green reference at the intro card
"Front panel connector on a USB header" just about made me spit out my drink...
@Pïnned by Linus Tech Tips shut up faker
I feel like a way to give a good impression of SFF cases and for cheap is the NR200 by Cooler Master.
That or Ssupd Meshlicious.
@@RolandsSh or Sgpc k55/k77
14:52 this is probably already covered in one of the other 2,700 comments on this video, but that board comes with an adaptor that you log all of the front panel headers into, then the adaptor is just a single thing to plug into the board. Makes things very easy to manage. I built a PC with that particular board just last weekend.
The dust FX timing is spot on! 15:47
I'm somewhat disappointed that the intro line for this one wasn't:
_"If done right, small things can go a long way"_
Your current username is killing me XD
"That may not be the case."
Me: This might not be a case. 😳
It's a dust trap.
Leading in with a quote from the Red Green show, I love it!
I live in the desert. I need a case with high air flow but it needs to be filtered to keep out all the desert dust.
I'm 5:40 in and definitely don't want this case due to too much sketchiness.
Gotta love the Red Green reference! Keep your stick on the ice!
As a massive SFX fan, I can assure everyone, there is no easy SFX solution.
Sfxfile
Buying a Corsair One…
I think the nr200p is the only easy sfx solution, and many people don't even consider it sff case. It feels like being awful to work with is a prereq to being sff.
I didn't know fans come in SFX size
Tbh, just get the SF750 and forget about it. It's super quiet (in my build it's actually passive most of the time) and apparently can handle 3090 build no problem.
Sff builds are not only fairly easy (if you get the right case), they're also rewarding as well, and more appealing because the idea of cramming as much hardware into a small package is quite cool in my opinion
They are also more portable which can be useful
It actually gets pretty hot.
Yeah, after re-buildung in my massive dual-GPU E-ATX X99 system, I was delighted how easy it is to work on my ITX system where I can take out mobo and cooler with just one hand.
5:18 uncensored curse finally 🥳
Loved this video, gotta love those front panel connections especially when you set them up wrong... I have done that to many times. Thank you for the great content and also mentioning D.O.C.P for AMD Ram overclocking
*sees red green quote*
me: so... there's gonna be a lot of duct tape, then?
17:17 'worst-case-scenario' Pun unintended 😁
"Function over form"
>makes small form factor case, which is presumably about some sort of form
I mean, that means people give more fuk about functionality than the looks/aesthetics, or in other words ignore judging the latter. Doesn't mean it has to look bland tho. It's just that make it as ugly or pretty as you want. We don't care, we don't give a fuk.
That and for a given production budget it'd be cheaper to minimize efforts on aesthetics and maximize on functionality. Like 90% practicality and 10% for decorations.
But I do understand where you're taking this pun to
The "function over form" slogan comes from early 20th century modernist architects. It doesn't mean, that the form should be forgotten. It means exactly the opposite - the form should FOLLOW the function. To be more precise, in the full version of the slogan formulated by Le Corbusier it was a 3 element chain: function>form>construction. With the function determining the form of the object and form determining used construction methods. What the manufacturers of this case meant, is that the form was a consequence of the functional premises for the project.
The tape tip was actually something I've never thought about.
For small form factor, I recommend something like SAMA IM01. Similar to NR200 but very cheap. It's about 2" longer and taller than this case, holds a full size ATX power supply, and I packed it with 4x120mm case fans, an almost full size GPU and a Noctua NH-U9 heatsink and fan. You can squeeze in a 3.5" hard drive on top of that as well as one or two 2.5" SSDs.
No need to go do ridiculous things for a SFF build.
5:06 I am scared for that laptop hanging on the edge of your desk, LOL
4:52
oh my, he managed to drop a piece of tool that was safely secured inside the tool case..... i am speechless XD
"Not that small at around 14 litres" *glancing at my core v1 of 22 litres*, "don't worry my case you'll always be small form factor to me"
Im just waiting for Ali from Optimum Tech roasting the heck out of this case
"Jack of all trades - and master of none" translates to german "Hans Dampf in allen Gassen". Thought you guys might need to know^^ I think it's kinda funny, that it can be meant poisitivly and negativly. Luv it! great video!
Best video ever. Dark intro and a Red Green reference.
Never look at the instructions for an SFF build, figuring out how to do it is 80% of the fun.
Linus: "Im gonna have to go watercooling. But that is not acctually the CASE." WOW nice Linus XD
Perfect case for The Verge to use... that allen key was useful after all xd
Linus' cardboard case was the JOAT: Jankiest Of All Time
That's what I was thinking.
Please tell me I am not the only one that deeply appreciates the subtle Red Green reference in the opening sequence!! I can’t be the only old(er) guy watching this channel!
"we choose this card because it's fast, but while not being on a completely ridiculos price"
yeah, about that ...
idk who gets the job of naming the timestamps but theyre doing it perfectly on every video
How is no one talking about the Red Green quote in the intro, is that show actually popular with Canadians or is one person at LTT a fan?
Came down to the comments looking for a man of culture... No, not high class culture... The kind of culture that looks at a toolbox full of duct tape and an old bus, and goes "Oh, I know _Giant Hotrod!"_
I think most people have forgotten about that show, or the young generation that mostly watches LTT never watched _The Red Green Show._
Loved that show as a kid.
@@MirekFe I'm grateful my local PBS station aired them for so long. I think they had episodes airing as recently as 2 years ago. Seen so many old episodes. Inspired so many insane hackjob repairs... My blower motor died on my central air many moons ago... While I waited to get the replacement motor, I made do by using cardboard, a salvaged car radiator fan, a car battery charger... And of course, duct tape, to create a temporary blower, so that I wouldn't swelter while waiting on parts!
@@MirekFe Im still kind of part of the young generation at 25 haha
@@RMZ228 *Quote:* _or the young generation that mostly watches LTT_
Hence the word "mostly".
I should've been more specific, when I wrote that comment.
"Every screw is a self-tapper if you press hard enough." hahahaha YUSSSS!
There's also dgpu-less mini stx/dtx and thin mini itx builds. They are some of the easiest builds you could do, cable management is a non issue as all the power is routed directly through the Mobo. Built an ASRock deskmini years ago and it took all of twenty minutes despite being entirely unfamiliar with the case and system.
“And speaking of small form factor, thanks to Ridge Wallet for sponsoring this episode”
Still available to vet your segues.
Yeah for real… this was one of the harshest segue transitions I’ve ever heard in a Linus-hosted vid.
They always give Austin shit for saying "Chungus." Explaining that NO ONE says it. Welp.. Linus disagrees.
I remember when chungus was just a word a funnyman said on a podcast in 2011
@@EvanBlax Out of curiosity, what podcast was it?
@@CockatooDude Destructoid's videogame podcast circa 2011. Also known as "New Podtoid," or "Podtoid with Max and Tara." That era starts at episode 149.
I couldn't tell you the first episode chungus was mentioned, but episode 205 from 2012 was the first time it was used in the title of an episode.
@@EvanBlax Oh nice! Thanks for the info, that was actually super helpful.
2019: ridge wallet wants to redefine the wallet
2020: ridge wallet is redefining the wallet
2021:ridge wallet has redefined the wallet
"Oh ya it's all coming together"
includes red green reference, 10/10 video
if you build pc's with any kind of frequency you should own a victorinox cyber tool, apart from all the usual things like pliers, blades and the driver bits it comes with, the screw driver with no bits in it perfectly fits motherboard mounts and the hook works well for cable management
As soon as I saw that power cable, that thing would be sent back to wherever I ordered it. 2020 is just not an acceptable excuse to use when it comes to putting a fire hazard in 1000's of homes. This is just laziness and poor quality manufacturing at it's finest.
How do you even sell out of something so common to the point where you have to ship the case without a proper power cable?
Agreed. It’s just unacceptable and from a company viewpoint, a huge liability issue.
@@TechnoBabble They are probably outsourcing everything, having it shipped to them, putting it in their box and then selling it as their own. However when a company does this, they take on the responsibility of the quality of the products that they market as their own, if you put your name on the box, then in the consumers eyes it was made by you, even though that's usually not the case.
@@tomikuusla925 Yep, I guess people dying or losing their house due to a fire is worth the lowered cost of using cheap materials/components
Maybe don't be a moron and get some skills. Also, why teach evolution only to short circuit it by saving idiots from themselves?
That Red Green Show reference in the title opening is gold.
Keep your stick on the ice!
I would love Linus to actually review a much better sffx pc though, maybe something like the ACAT X1, or anything from the ZS case lineup. Much better quality for the money, and reasonable build process.
Man, I love SFF builds but man I also love having 6.5 terabytes of relatively cheap storage.
That said I did buy a 2TB NVMe drive for under $200 at one point sooooo
4:46 as an old oilboy I am impressed by your tap collection. 8/10
It's just me or the computer cases getting more & more expensive to the lower mid tier GPU price
Welcome to the post pandemic world
@@mikeycrackson that and often requiring a different setup for production than their larger counterparts. sometimes requiring specialized tools for production.
@@masterlinktm Also requiring extra design time and sometimes extra parts. The parts are to make almost any parts work in the system, and the design takes significantly longer because you need to make sure any/all critical parts fit. Power supplies are also an issue because you need to shove the same amount of power and cooling into an often significantly smaller space.
Balance will be restored when next gen lower end cards will be 400 dollars
10:29 the adage continues "Jack of all trades, master of none,"
Is often better than a master of one
@@ww11gunny This. Forgot the second half of the saying chuck
A right angle USBC cable going to a VR headset just comming out the bottom of your computer. I like it.
A respectable VR Headset requires more than just a USB-C cable
Aside from the dust issue, I'd also be wondering how well the system would keep cool since there's no fans to force air along the other components of the motherboard.
I bet it’ll be fine because of all that airflow
The bit about PSU's at 6:20 tells me that for future products, all RTX cards (if not all components in general, but it seems RTX cards or AMD equivalents may be more prone to it) could really benefit from having a Peak Power Draw spec in their listings. If peak draw is different enough from average draw that it could kill PSU's, then it's probably worth listing that difference.