Helldivers 2 is in trouble
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- Helldivers 2 player numbers are dropping, but is this really a bad thing? CEO speaks on AR's and how terrible they feel. A new poll asks players what they think about the new Polar Patriots warbond, Lot's to cover in the videos, let's break down the Helldivers 2 news. #helldivers2news #helldivers2update #helldivers2
0:00 Helldivers 2 losing players - does it matter?
4:44 New content, maps, biomes and enemies
8:06 weapon balance and crashes are big problems?
9:50 people still care about the game
11:15 Assault Rifles are "diluted"
12:45 Patrol spawn fixes
13:54 what do you think of Polar Patrios warbond so far?
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Everyone: "A cold themed pack? Whoa... so... cryo grenades, frost guns and stuff like that?"
Arrowhead: "Nah here's a new peashooter and a fire grenade."
Maybe the next war bond will be Lighting of Liberty/Liberty Lightning or Fire of Freedom/Freedom Fire
I died, excellent comment 😂
Yeah,wow! Spiked boot!! Wont slide now on ice!!, Devs: nah,just for show😐
@@whitemage024 taste like bacon to me
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While I understand why people might default to ice weaponry, in my personal opinion, it would have made MORE sense to have more FIRE based weapons.
Why fire in a cold themed pack? Because it's cold warfare. If I were fighting enemies in a cold environment, where they probably have developed resistance to the cold, I'd want to exploit that by using heat-based weapons against them. So new fire weapons (like the impact napalm grenade) would have made more sense to me (instead of what we ended up getting, which was armor that had nonsensical perks, weapons that really didn't fit and weren't as good as we wanted them to be, and a lot of disappointment being voiced by the playerbase)
TBH the fact that it's exam season for lots of students could also be a factor in the player drop.
Yeah im on my finals too so havent been playing at all
I mean there’s also the fact that it’s still delisted in all those countries without PSN…
Also, it’s pretty fucking normal for player levels to lower once hype has died and the hype train players move over to the next thing. Then it stabilizes as we separate the fad players and the players who genuinely like the game and want to play it long term
Look at content warning. You would think it’s the best game ever made based on the hype. Practically on life support now after a month. Helldivers has been out for like 3 months and is still doing VERY well. Steam charts show player counts for just pc. It doesn’t even include PlayStation.
Yep same here I check news here and then to get in the loop. As of now I got sculpture projects, research papers, and other bs I need to tend too.
This is a huge factor
we need cities, towns, or something different from rocks and trees.
We need a fresh new setting
A biome with big mushrooms would be cool
Moons, space stations, caves, mountains, truly alien.
i like the vibe of the acid maps.
besides that they seem to be keen on porting environments from the first game so i'd expect urban environments to be ready when Joel thinks we're ready to take on Cyberstan.
that or we're defending Super Earth with 1-lane wide roads in a dense city like in the first game.
Yes, more mission types too.
Do bugs live in cities and towns though? The closest thing we gets to buildings in this are the outposts that Super Earth put on these big planets lol
Devs randomly nerfing shit because it’s popular. The constant bugs. Helldivers 2 has so much potential but the devs are really struggling as it seems.
It's still in its crib. Give it time to grow.
I play the game on PS5 since I barely use my PS5. The most common bug in PS5 is that players are getting kicked out of lobbies (not the host doing the kicking, the actual game is kicking you out of lobbies mid-game). Very common. I understand bugs are normal for video games, but since launch its always been this unstable. Not like Cyberpunk where they got their shit together and now Cyberpunk 2077 is satisfying to play right now.
They also have a giant corporation baring down on them and tons of backlash so they have their hands full
You forgot about sonys declaration that half of superearth isn't part of superearth
Blame and fire Alexus, the guy who ruined hello neighbor 2, from what I’ve read. Spitz deserved what he got, we can only hope Alexus is next to be let go
They seem to think we are all hardcore gamers. I don’t want to stress and sweat every second of a dive. So boosting spawns and nerfing weapons is killing the fun for me.
Agreed, stress is not fun...
You realize you don't need to play on lvl9 if u just wanna chill a bit? 🤔
@@mr.rabbit5642Irrelevant you can only lower the difficultu so much before it becomes boring too.
Most hard games still give you great options to deal with challenges.
@@mr.rabbit5642 doesn't matter what difficulty you play on if the guns arent fun to use then the games not fun anymore.
Suicide level is not sweaty constantly. And Suicide difficulty is as difficult as you need to play as it gets you all the Samples. And if you have enough Super Samples then lower the difficulty.
The "no fun allowed "mentality is slowly killing the game, there's no way the balancing team are testing the nerfs on level 7-9 missions.
The balance devs are probably not playing the game at all. I bet all their testing is done in test environments where the enemies dont move.
I don’t understand this argument. The only nerf I’ve felt really impacted anything was the eruptor, bc the shrapnel was a way bigger part of the gun than they said. Other than that, I really haven’t felt nerfs making an actual impact on the difficulty of a mission at all
@@tank_dempseypeople keep screeching they want to feel powerful and strong on the hardest difficulties completely negating the point in what it’s meant to be.
I legit had a person who said
“I play on helldivers exclusively and it needs to continue being the hardest difficulty. An actual challenge. There’s nothing wrong with the guns and only a few need a buff.”
A screecher replied that that’s not that impressive and that helldive is not as hard as he thinks it is and that he’s not impressing anyone and so his opinion isn’t that important, guns all need to be buffed, no nerfs, etc. The guy replied back with
“If the hardest difficulty is easy, don’t you think that’s the fucking problem?”
Other guy shut up and never replied back
Meta this meta that, bruh have you ever met a girl?
@jayespin wow yeah that guy literally contracted himself how can guns need a buff, but lvl9 is too easy and unimpressive.
It's like what Stylosa showed the meme on the MAIN subreddit. I'm just thinking the reason Helldivers2 sub and low-sodium sub even formed to begin with is not that people aren't concerned about the game.
Both subs have said it's fine to critique the games issue in a civil way. It's when you start kicking your legs waving your arms and crying over every little insignificant thing it becomes whining, when insult start hurling, when witch hunting becomes prominent.
it doesn't look like constructive criticism hell not even criticism you just look like a bunch of complaining individuals. That's irritating for anyone when it's every day.
Cyberstan maps should be massive cities. fighting inside giant skyscrapers and massive interconnecting streets. so much they could do with it.
It'll probably just be a red planet with trees.
seriously its so disappointing seeing that every new planet is just the same thing with different terrain and planet models. its just superficial differences. It would be nice if we could actually have a mission inside a destroyed city or inside bug tunnels or automaton factories. I guess that would take a lot of work and they would have to figure out how to get around strategems dropping from above, but even if its just a portion of a mission where you can't use strategems or reinforce inside, having some indoor locations would provide a huge change of pace.
Without being too spoilery there are leaks to support this
I think a city map would be a great addition and not just one, 3 different types would be cool.
If not a city, a small to mid-size town would be fun.
My brother in Puerto Rico bought the game when it came out to play with me.
He has been trying to get his friends to join us.. they *can't* anymore.
Me and my brother can still play, but we can't bring in new Helldivers from Puerto Rico to play with us.
Sony doesn't want their money.
What?! Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the US? That’s some BS. I’m from the island but none of my cousins keep in contact with me since I’m in the states. Hope they fix this.
i thought those that bought the game before SNOY tried to feck it up could still play just couldn't buy it now in PSN restricted country's, if thats not the case id like to hear
that's so fkd up. american territory, and they cant play fkn helldivers. spit on sony.
@@gibbamonno they can’t play the game period
@@PorkBone8016 Well, some states of the EU are blocked, too. If Sony doesn't revert this soon, they might have a lawsuit on their ass.
Patrol spawn changes are what's killing the fun for me, as I usually solo or duo. And it's just not fun anymore.
Exactly. Game sucks like this.
It's a nightmare duoing on like 5+, it's more spawns than suicidemission+ with 4 players haha
@@Fantasmaa9 Yeah I pretty much knew I wasn't having any fun solo anymore, but was trying to make myself git gud and enjoy myself while duoing but it killed my friend's enthusiasm too, so that sorta put an end to that. We're waiting and hoping they relent their assault against solo/duo players.
Same mostly solo player and since the responding is nonstop, I just don’t wanna play the game anymore. I would play with other people if they would fix the kicking issue.
newb
Why could've guessed that systematically nerfing EVERY fun or mildly effective strategy and weapon would result in an overall less fun experience
what an over statement lol
@@captaintruth name one fun primary weapon that they haven't nerfed.
You don't pay attention to patches do you? The last major balancing patch buffed dozens of guns, if not that they nerfed and buffed them. The Eruptor nerf is a bug, and now the whole community is going tits up. Name a gun besides the Eruptor that is fucked from nerfs? Don't even mention the crossbow, that was bad since launch.
@@arieson7715this is such cope like I’m actually curious what do you super fans get out of saying this?? Did u read the patches?? Do u want to keep the experience on the game mid??? Players aren’t mad just about nerf they’re also mad that new guns are 9/10 times dead on arrival if you try saying the guns in this warbond weren’t dead on drop it’s just overflowing cope or “look at me I’m different git gud” energy bro. Idk who all these fans are tryna impress the weapons are dogwater period nothing to do with skill or difficult leveling just crap feeling and not fun. As an Eruptor main have u tried it post patch??? It can’t take up to and even more than FOUR shots to the head of a brood commander compared to the previous ONE shot it took to take their head off. Also personally never experienced the shrapnel glitch so idk what that’s about also why flat out remove it instead of removing it for the time being while they fix it?? It’s literally the unique aspect of the weapon it’s literally in the description lmao
Arieson the more you talk the more noob you look
Between the PSN drama and nerfs, Helldivers is suffering self-inflicted damage.
between Sony, the bugs, and the weapon balance, I've taken a hiatus from the game.
Same here, especially since I wanted to bring my partner into the game but the game’s still delisted in my country so now we can’t even play together.
Y'all are some dummies real talk
Same, after eruptor nerf i had enough with the devs BS, even when my region isnt locked i quit until they fixed the whole game (EVEN DAY 1 BUGS & ISSUES STILL EXISTS ITS LAUGHABLE)
Level 102 here. Returning to civilian life for a while
I can only speak for myself here, but I'm waiting for patrol spawn and weapon numbers to make sense again, because it doesn't really feel fun as things are currently
It feels too easy if you play carefully, and rather chaotic if things hit the fan.
Too few willing to bring smoke and just disengage, too many reinforcing allies into the fray.
Mostly it's player error, but Arrowhead could still make some changes to make things more fun
@@kamikeserpentail3778 while you are mostly right, for me an important part of the fun comes precisely from things going south. The stakes, the thrill... You know, the reason why we fell for videogames in the first place
Those rush patches that broke more than fixes it.
As a solo-diver what kills it for me is being absolutely swarmed by terminids even on the lower difficulties. And the fact that it seems like half of the planets is those damn fire-worlds. Why the hell is the firetornados homing in on you? WHY?!?
Its Fr Unplayable Anymore in Solos, anytime i try doing a Dif 5 missions i get more enemys as if i would be playing helldive solo before
well that's a you problem isn't it it's not meant for being played solo
@@cal7281 I found the guy who likes to be spit and stepped on folks ^^^^
@@cal7281with the projected size of the player base in 4 months you’ll only be able to play single player
Definite a you problem stop soloing
The last war bond was a joke. They need to fix the damn bugs and buff primary ARs...
What's that? You want nerfs? We got you!
But Alexus said every weapon is “an S tier weapon” 😂
@@POW3RSAUC3 hahahaha
@@POW3RSAUC3 And Hello Neighbor 2 is an S tier game.
Git gud with primary ARs. Try the Liberator and maybe, I dunno, aim and manage recoil? Insane concept.
I'm bored with Helldivers because everytime I go to choose a different weapon I think "this gun is trash...this gun is also trash...this gun is also trash...". Then I log off.
Exactly... then there's that.. what's the point? It's just gonna crash anyway waste my time and not give me anything
same here lol
Same. Really like the Eruptor but no it feels like sheeet. Thanks AH 🎉
@@KalenTomlinson especially with that new update
Yeah ngl after they nerfed every gun i liked i find myself only seeing the sickle or plasma guns worth it now, or fire shotgun for bugs, that's 3-4 guns out of all of them and i still find the sickle, plasma and fire shotgun boring
Crashes killed the game for me. Im tired of doing a 40 minute high level dive, just for the game to kick me back to desktop during evac. If they address this issue ill come back.
Same brother I keep on losing connection right at the end
Fix the spear = game revive
you can't just use it like a normal rocket launcher, it's very dependent on good positioning, even more than most other weapons/stratagems.
@@manboy4720 true, but sometimes you looking right on a hulk or a tanks face and it just doesnt lock on, its super frustrating and I play it in most of my missions
@@spardax1068 Yeah it's why I don't use it on planets that are mountainous or there's plenty of hills coz that fucks up the targeting so much.
One thing Spear shines at is ammo economy. You never run out!
@@manboy4720People need to stop trodding this point out, the devs have confirmed it's broken numerous times, once it's fixed it will be great.
I could have played all weekend. (Like i did before the patch). Didn't play more than 1 hour this weekend because it's not fun to play solo. At all.
It's a team based game so that makes sense, never found solo to be fun even at launch.
@yukioacumora4430 solo was fun as hell before the patch. It was challenging. I never beat a level 9. Was able to do a 7, but now I'm struggling with 4... it's not "fun" challenging. It's just annoying. Can't stop moving for more than 1 second. Looking foe the sample in a fabricator/bug nest just causes swarms of enemies to attack. And then there's the extract where if you have cleared the map, you're gonna get 100s of enemies coming from every direction - homing right in on you, regardless if you're hidden or not. It's dumb. I've even had bots shoot at me from over 200m away and sometimes though mountains WHILE IM HIDING. (I have video proff on my profile)
I think it is.
More fun than before.
And my video shows much of what you say to be false.
You can stop running around constantly.
They don't see you no matter how well you hide
They don't see you? Lmao. I have multiple videos of them doing just that.
Haven't tried solo but if it were me I think I'd start around difficulty 4 for bots and bugs and work my way up. I do diff 7-9 exclusively in groups and I imagine you'd have to be some kind of ex-spec ops to be able to manage high level solo now 😵💫
hmm 100+ countries barred from playing, and player numbers dropping....I wonder if theres possibly a link there
Most of those countries are 3rd world countries so most people don't even have electricity so out of those 100 they probably lost a really small amount of players, it's just that the game gets stale pretty soon and people lose interest
Lol the game is hovering around the same amount now as it was before delisting lol 😂
@@sirsiver No, it gets stale to people with the brain of a goldfish, and people playing only games that are "trendy", the game is still fun.
@@sirsiver there are 180 countries on that list and most of them have internet and almost all of those counties that don't have internet are in Africa and Africa only have 54 countries in it
@@sirsiverthat is true. I went to VN for a month to visit my inlaws. We do have internet but at sometime during the day, the electricity run out for 1 hour. Electricity is not for certain in the world. Water purity is also another questionable thing.
Every update has been empty or half-assed promises.
"We fixed the crashes." game still crashes...
"We added new guns." guns are the same or worse than the original ones...
"We fixed flame weapons..." flame weapons still broken...
"We added mechs!" mechs are made of paper and secondary fire blows up your mech on release...
"We added new missions." adds broken defense and escort missions...
"We don't require PSN login anymore." still delisted in countries that PSN is not available...
I feel none of this
I play 2 or 3 operations every 2 or 3 days with my friends and the games still extremely fun.
It's the no life cringe lords who play a game for 6+ hours a day and then whine they are bored
@@FlawlessP401 I love how you didn't engage with anything they said. You just attacked some strawman. Would you like some glue to chew on too? The game objectively has problems. Your brainlet opinion doesn't change any of the objective stuff, let alone tackling the subjective ones.
This comment is so real. Game is also kind of not optimized. 60-65 fps when not fighting
20-50 fps when fighting.
Helldivers at some point just looks like a slideshow. This is on medium settings btw with a RTX 3080
They need to stop nerfing everything.
Sounds like the path of Diablo 4 is approaching in the distance Na na I don't think it'll get that bad but if they don't listen it might
And start actually fixing bugs.
There are more buffs than nerfs. Quit crying
I tried playing for a few hours with my friend and we were both having a ton of DC issues still :(. We had a mission I called the Mission of Theseus. We joined a mission in progress, and over time both the original 2 characters DCed and 2 more joined. So we ended the mission with an entirely different batch of players than we started with lol
Tonight with my friends we spawned in an area away from red zones but we got imediately send 3 drop ships with 2 tanks and on the second wave a big walker.
what level?
@@captaintruth 7
@@Leorhit so suicide difficulty was hard?
@@captaintruthyou’re the problem
@@dean0o0o then why do I do so well on the missions? 12m copies sold disagrees...
Sony: blocks 2/3 of the world after 3 months;
also Sony: Why my stock and player numbers are down?
There was still around 200k daily after the block but have been cut in half throughout the week
This is really baffling. If PSN is no longer required, then why restrict other people from buying the game? Unless they'll re-visit the idea in the future.
@@GNCD2099 They're figuring out if they can still do it legally or not and how.
Yeah and 2/3 of the world seriously thought that they could get a 100% online game owned, published and distributed by Sony without having a Sony account.... That's an intelligence issue, not a Sony issue
Why are they worried about nerfing weapons before fixing the game crashing bugs that have still not been fixed? Seems they’re hellbent on watching the game come crashing down.
Maybe Alexus is trying to pad out his repertoir of "games I have ruined".
they literally patch the game constantly
@@captaintruth Yes. That is not always a good thing. Some things take time to test properly. If they claim they fixed crashes and bugs, yet people experience them all the same, if not more, that's not fixed, is it?
And it would also be worth to playtest their balance changes, before constantly stepping on the toes of players.
@@olafgurke4699 its an online service game its going to have bugs. its in the nature of coding. do you have any idea even the smallest, faintest, what they have been through as a company in the last 6 months?
@@captaintruth most of their recent patches have damaged and caused even more bugs, what the fuck are you talking about?
Imagine if there was a mission where you had to capture bugs or bots for study instead of just destroying them. Like the bots have started pushing out new bot types and we need to study them. So lure, incapacitate without destroying, and capture specific targets. So cool.
I completely trust a group of randoms with me to *not* kill something 😅
Considering there are captured bugs on the tutorial mission, this would be an amazing mission type. Gives more use to the EMS stratagems, could go along with some new tranq gun or something.
Loved that in Xcom enemy unknown
What's killing it a bit for me is that first they fucked up the eruptor, then claim they didn't. That's not *that* bad for me. But now I've really started to enjoy the plasma punisher. Now recently I see someone post that the plasma punisher is S tier, which just makes me think "ah, so my favourite gun is getting nerfed.... lovely". I just don't feel like going through that.
many guns are still fully viable, they've said eruptor isnt where they want it to be. people expect too much from and indie dev lol. foaming at the mouth and I drop in and have fun and do really well every single night. where's the fighting spirit, id go in with a stick with a 10 second reload and still come out on top
I've moved back to mostly playing DRG instead of HD2, the guns there are more fun and the difficulty of enemies is reasonable, though I play solo a lot.
Rock and stone!
Haha. I saw this and thought i wrote it. Took me a second.
I have 920hrs in DRG as overwhelmingly solo, but i love DRG multiplayer too. I just don’t always have the time stability to play a mission without pausing to take care of something.
@@hamothemagnif8529 Yeah, I pause the game in solo a lot too.
I've 1100 solo hours in DRG. Couple of hundred as duo.
After we gave up on HD2 this weekend new Helldiver friends have joined us back in DRG!
3-4 dwarf teams now, some new players and we're loving it and looking forward to Season 5 which looks epic 🙂👍
Big shout out to Devs at AH for making this possible!
Sad to see HD2 go but same here. They have officially rode it till the wheels fell off and I'm done riding along. 950 hours in DRG and climbing 250 in HD2 and it's uninstalled already.
Hard to stay hyped for a game when any weapon you use gets nerfed to oblivion
Exactly, im still Pissed about the useless nerfs to the crossbow etc like wtf most the weapons they nerfed werent even good to begin with and even the good ones nerfed makes it even worse just buff the less strong Weapons
I'm still pissed they took my 16 shell breaker magazines.
Eruptor feels useless now. Nice one AH
There is also no progress in the galactic war.
We reach an objective, push back the enemy...and then something happens and we're back to square one.
I mean, how many more times do we have to liberate Hellmire?
Is there any point to bother when we get reset consistently?
I understand that the devs still want to add features and keep things interesting, but at some point things are starting to feel contrived.
Yes the games mastering has been pretty bad, it's made me chuckle a few times already. Contrived is a great descriptor for it.
I laughed out loud after we destroyed the bots then they came back more powerful than ever before (lol) and instantly took 8 of our planets with no defence missions offered (lol).
So many bots in fact it took almost all of the helldivers a week to get a defence line up just to tire them out a bit (lol). etc etc...
@@Jasey357 very cookie cutter themed, barely any new enemies at all, new stratagems are just filler for the devs to use as a crutch so they can say "hey guys see we did add new content!" and it is some MG that is worse than the two we already have.
Rocket stratagem= horrible
Mech= horrible
anti tank mines= boring
the new warbonds are the same armors and guns
Maybe it is time to quit gaming?
The latest warbond feels like a WIP and we're the alpha testers. It's a damn shame.
One thing that’s killing it for me is absolute destruction within 1 minute of mission start. Loading in landing then being swarmed by two factory striders, 3 hulks, and dozens of other enemies within 1 minute of landing then losing 15/21 lives
At this point I don't know why even bother dropping into safe zone. I'll get spawn swarmed anyways, so why not try and land on the base
What's honestly putting me off playing recently is a) my friend to play with is blocked from playing in his region and b) the current major order, nobody seems to give a crap about.
I was trying to find players for defense missions on Wasat yesterday, and was waiting 15 minutes on my ship for players to join.
I look at the player counts on bot planets, even though we're going to unlock a new stratagem by killing bots, still 75% of all players online are killing bugs.
I played with a guy the other day who didn't care about the missions. He admitted he just runs around to shoot the enemies. He was only a lvl 20. It was a nerve wracking game with him in it.
"Bots scary" said as I'm currently holding off a miniature armornwith nothibg but a macine gun and smg and a ballistic shield.
@@yukioacumora4430 we need to do the missions to get the medals.
Bots are too scary for half of helldivers. Damn bug stompers.
The current major order was never going to succeed. I realized that by the end of day one and didn't bother. Why waste time playing against automatons when I don't enjoy it to begin with. 50 medals is hardly worth wasting the effort on fighting an enemy I find more frustrating than enjoyable.
The game is beginning to feel a little stale and I bought it right around the retaking of malevalon creek. I still have fun, but I wish I had more to do or more mission variety to make me want to hop on.
Problem with a living game. There's a story going on..u just have to wait for it
There's more to come. Just have patience. Or don't. You're always free to do something else until something exciting happens.
No worries, I'm still putting a dent in the automaton kill count. You gotta remember, a lot of us are here from the Overwatch days. We're used to stale gameplay for a bit
@@deebo429__ And I'm from TF2, so I'm just glad there's something happening at all.
The game's definitely dying, slowly but surely. I used to have 12 friends on Steam, 9 or 10 of whom logged on 3-4 times a week at least. In the past 3 weeks there's literally only ONE (1) person on my friends list who's logged on in that time. I'm completely out of patience with the dogwater dev team and their awful updates and worse balance changes. When I would prefer the game never being updated again versus getting another balance patch, you know something's wrong.
The game is going to be under 30k players by the end of the year if the devs don't make a major 180' in their design philosophy. Or maybe they WANT their game to be only 7-10k players like Helldivers 1 to save on server cost.
I’m in the same boat. Had around 8 friends who played consistently the first month. None of them have played more than 20 hours in the last week. Half haven’t touched it at all last week. All my games are with randoms now. The first month was so good and ever since the first balance patch it has started going downhill.
@@lesscommonsense1804💯🎯
for real, all my friends stopped playing...
💯🎯
My main problem is, I’m just at a stagnation mainly playing with friends to help them out. I’m level 84 I’m full on upgrades, strategies, warbonds other than the new one almost done. But for real I don't have much reason to keep playing other then it is fun and i’m with friends. A lot of people I play with at the start stopped because the first nerfs, or just moved on to a different game. It's been a bit sad.
The bumass mods removed the reddit post talking about the player count because it "was low effort". Thank you for bringing light to these things, even after the mods started censoring things!
TBF reddit mods are a bunch of narcissistic tankies
I feel like the Tenderizer was a copout because aside from it being worse that the starter AR, it’s not even black like it was in the trailer. I was expecting it to be slightly better than the penetrating Liberator.
Also all the new armor has the same traits as the Steel Veteran.
Why is it all heavy armor with no explosive resistance? All the new armor is Limb health and nothing like freeze resistance.
Idk, I like how much of a laser the tenderizer feels like compared to the ar23 and more mags is nice, though I'm not sure why you only get 5 mags from a resupply lol
Imagine how rad it would be to have armours that can counteract some biome specific hazards? Like a desert armor that protects you against sandstorms, or a polar armor protecting you against blizzards. Bonus points if they give some natural stealth bonus in those environments due to the same colour palette as the surroundings.
so the new gun theyve said the colour is a mistake and the damage was set before subsequent buffs to the standard libeator. there is also a heavy armour with explosive trait in the new war bond lol.
I hopped on yesterday with a buddy and after one match we were done. The damage just didn't feel good and it killed the vibe for us both.
I think over everything else the crappy balance direction has killed it for me. Like focus on actual content instead of every week having major changes to half the guns. It’s just stupid at this point
Had a mission on Wazat, where the environmental modifiers were Extreme Heat and Acid Rain. Normally I would be fine with Acid Rain because it would affect visibility *sometimes* . This time, however, it just became a fog around the entire map, i couldn't see anything in front of me past 15 meters at points. On top of the fact that we were running a 3-man squad. Nearly instantaneously, it felt like we're dealing with a Helldive mission with the amount of patrols that would spawn and make a bee-line for your position wherever you were. So I couldn't see shit, getting sniped from across the map from places I couldn't see, and because of all the fog it also concealed the sheer amount of rocket devastators sniping us as well. *and they just kept coming....*
It was hell, honestly and truly. Could barely do anything outside of running around and trying not to trip another patrol only some to spawn in front of us and auto aggro. The spawn frequencies on the patrols have monumentally fucked with the difficulty of the missions.
I have quit over the countries that have been banned from PC. 1. those people should be allowed to play and 2. it suggest that Sony is going to pull the PSN shit again at some point down the line.
100% they are going to attempt it again, probably before the end of this year too
It isn't good to promote this kind of stuff however I think it is more than warranted now. A massive DDos attack or some form of technical exploiting needs to target these game companies, the boundary was over stepped way earlier with the entire "you dont own anything." crap.
The fact that you crash without a crash report sometimes (we think it's maybe a new drivers issue but still) it's insane. This last week me and my friend have played no missions where one of us doesn't crash then we lose all our progress and have to play the mission again... then it crashes and we play it again... then we crash and- ya we just stopped playing
For me in the short term they don't need to add "new" anything. They need to stop changing the game in ways that makes it less fun. They nerfed the weapons like it's a PvP game, it makes it harder to kill enemies. They changed and broke the enemy spawns, we get wave after wave of enemy and can't kill them all, resulting in failed missions. They buffed the AI, making them do headshots more often, making players die more often. They have planets with environmental effects that obscure vision, the AI can shoot thru those effects like it's not even there, but players don't see where those enemies are. These are the kind of problems that make me not want to play.
Beyond that, we have less players overall because they banned 180 countries out of 195. Why would anyone from these countries continue playing even if they own the game when their friends/family can't buy the game and join them? Why would they support the game at that point?
If they can fix the two things above, the game should start to recover. And I feel like the two things above is things they can do quickly without actual development. After that, start fixing bugs and doing QOL changes. Fix crashes. Like there are players who accidentally blocked their friends because the buttons are too close together and there is no "Are you sure?" confirmation. The block list was perma empty despite the people you blocked. They fixed the list, but there is no way to undo it. I hope they fix that tomorrow.
Going forward, scrap the "1 warbond every month" plan and release them when they are polished and ready. Put more focus on adding new enemies and developing the story. I would be good with a warbond every 2, or even 3 months if they could focus on keeping the game polished and adding more meaningful content.
I agree that they don't need a lot of new content, but it would be nice to have missions on more unique planets. Super Earth has colonized a lot of the galaxy, but we only see scattered structures on frontier-like planets. We certainly have major cities or farm areas on some of Super Earth's colonies. I would feel more like Super Earth is under threat of alien invasion if we were fighting in places that had more human infrastructure like rural roads, cities, farm fields with more than a backyard's worth of corn, etc. I do agree that the most important things are 1) fixing the game-breaking bugs and 2) not nerfing something just because it's popular and functional.
I also wanted to point out that the game is still available in more than 15 countries (195-180=15). The 195 countries you referenced is the 193 member states and 2 observer states of the UN. The 180 "countries" delisted from Steam includes a lot of territories that aren't part of the UN's 195 countries. For example, the game was delisted in Puerto Rico and American Samoa. Both of these places are United States territory and therefore represented by the United States at the UN. They do not count towards the 195 countries in the world, but they do count towards the 180 "countries" delisted from Steam. We can all blame Sony's PSN requirement and the fact that PSN is not available in territories like Puerto Rico (US), American Samoa (US), French Guinea (France), Morocco, Western Sahara (disputed part of Morocco), Reunion Island (France), British Virgin Islands (UK), US Virgin Islands (US), etc.
@@stuartwithers8755 I meant short term we don't need new content, we need a stable fun game. Short term meaning in the next couple weeks.
Sorry, you're right about the ban list including territories. Here's the correction. There are 249 countries and territories recognized by ISO 3166-1 standard, which is what Steam uses (2 letter country codes). 3 of the original banned codes AN, FX, XD are listed as "Unknown", so I'm not sure they are part of that standard or not (I see them on Wikipedia, so I'm assuming Steam DB just missing those). Lets ignore those for now and add the recent 3 for a total of 177. This means Sony is still blocking 71% of the world and selling to only 29%. (That's fairly close, even if we include the 3). 71% is better than the 93% figure, but still a significant part of the world. Nearly 2/3.
My point in that is there are quite a few player who could technically play, but are miffed by their country being blocked and can't have their friends / family join.
Completely agree
everything you said just makes me want to get better. funny how so many just throw in the towel
@@captaintruth Different strokes for different folks I guess. I used to be competitive with Apex Legends, but the older I get the more casual I am with games. The priority for me these days is being social and having fun. I look for challenge in other places.
Maybe it’s just me but I disagree on the more aspect. The game has been updating at a breakneck pace and for me the biggest issue has been the quantity over quality. I’d much rather have them actually figure out balance and the constant bugs and slow down so I can actually be excited about new things without it immediately being ruined.
Honestly the solo nerfs and the balancing issues and sony being lying a holes kinda sums it up imo
Arrowhead knew everything from the start but Sony are the assholes for telling you on the steam page it was required? I can't imagine living in a world where I'm so stupid I buy a 100% online game owned, operated and published by Sony without a Sony account being required....
The "only one person can respawn" bug is what's killing it for me. When the whole team throws reinforcements and yet only one person can actually spawn in
There is no reason why primary AR style rifles don't have at least 75round extended magazines and 750round back pack mags for guns like the MG!
75 round mags would make them handle like pigs. do like the backpack idea for mgs though. could be optional with and mg
@captaintruth not really,you can get regular style ar mags to hold 60 rounds and it wouldn't be that much heavier than regular and also make a 100 round drum mag option,like be able to choose how to set up each fire arm how you would like it,that would be legit!
@@yoderboys1 thats a 60 round mag not 75 though, i like where youre going with this though. i would happily customise mag size for handling or capacity for bigger rounds even
One thing i think the community and the devs (especially the devs) need to understand, these kinds of games SHOULD have major dips. I like to look at Warframe as a perfect example. Warframe's player numbers dip pretty hard in between major updates, but when a new update comes out it starts going up as people log back in and play it. Then it drops considerably.
Helldivers 2 in my opinion needs to just give us very little for a couple months then release a big update that brings in a whole bunch of content for returning players. Stop trying to keep people playing for 1000+ hours constantly.
Right? Gamer burn out is a real thing. Sometimes I get tired of grinding in the same game all the time
I've been stuck on the same loadout since launch since all the weapons i like are just not viable.
Weapons like the stalwart and machine gun should really be primary weapons when you think about their balance. Bullets bounce off everything you would want to use a support weapon on, after all.
1.) Bugs are killing the game. Getting kicked out of games (not by the player but by the game itself) is very common is PS5. These bugs are gamebreaking. Not fun.
2.) Content is also lacking. For 3 months, there have been teases and datamined models of the Illuminates but they seem to be dragging it for no reason. Theres datamined for vehicles in the game and more mechs but they are not implemented yet.
3.) The community is great but how the community is being treated is really trash. Seems like the community managers & some developers are really vocal against their own customers and its becoming a trend in Arrowhead. Its not good.
4.) Major Order does not feel impacted. Pretty sure we won the recent major order against terminids, but somehow terminids are still spreading?? Its kinda annoying.
This game is killing itself. Its so sad.
The bugs are killing some of us on PC too. When we have DC issues 3 games in a row... we switch to a different game.
Just sayin- I mostly agree- but we lost the 4 planet bug major order
We lost the major order against the bugs, which is why they're spreading. We did win the one before that, though
On HD1, it took almost 1 year to get new mechs, weapons, and etc.
We are lucky to have all these warbonds in comparison to their past games, even though majority of the items on the warbond are questionable. I just wish they give out more enticing items. It feel more lazy, no heart and no excitement for it. The way it's going, gamers are weary and tire of it.
I think they are going at full speed here, just making sure not to push out any unfinished and not fun content. I appreciate when companies aren't greedy and deliver only polished products
One of the biggest problem for me is there is no true firing range in game, imagine you want to try a gun/equip that just got balanced or changed, you hop into a game and you hate it, now you have to hope for some ground loot or get stuck with that gun/equipment for the rest of the game, just give us a firing range
Also yap the game is super repetitive in the "long run"
The guy in charge of balance is called Alexus Kravchenko. He is a very out of touch developer with a big ego.
He is infamous for his work in Hello Neighbor 2, where he changed the game from an open world to a linear experience, cut tons of content, lied to the player base multiple times about the end product, deflected accusations and criticisms by lying once more about receiving death threats then immediately left the studio after the disastrous release to dodge the shitstorm he caused.
Last I saw of him he was sarcastically calling all the weapons in the Polar Patriots warbond "S tier" in the Discord.
The game isnt "In Trouble" (Still a huge playerbase, 2-3x larger than most other “Successful" games), it is trying to fly with Lead weights tho, its just not reaching its potential rn. A solid chunk of that is just time, after 3 months all games, even objectively phenomenal ones loses most of its players. That paired with the drama and balancing issues is just fatiguing the players.
I feel the CEO is gonna force the balancing to make a 180 and I agree they will find their stride (This is their first FPS game after all) and I personally know a lot of people who stopped playing a while ago who are just waiting for the Illuminate and will 100% dive in again for months after
I just hope they don't make the game kind braindead and play itself with overbuffing shit. Enjoy the challenge and the facilitation for tactics.
@@yukioacumora4430 i don’t even find they made it that hard with the nerfs the problem is you log in to everything being changed every other week and that killed my motivation as well as never fixing known bugs like infinite grenades and crashes etc
It can get a bit exhausting to be honest. Its fun but very intensive so the risk of burn out is there. What I would like to see is some kind of safe zones. Areas where enemies cant go. That would give some rhythm to missions.
I would just like cool down for enemy call ins. I've had bugs that just crawled out of a bug breach or bots that just dropped in call in more almost immediately.
It also doesn't help that missions range from 30-40 minutes, epscialky if yiu run around and clear every hot zone and try to do every objective. It can be fun, but it can also be exhaustive and it requires a huge time commitment that's not always there if tiu want to stick around for more than a singular mission (if yiu even feel like.yiu wven can handle a single mission)
None of that is inherently bad, but, that's sometimes j find myself where I wanna play helldivers, but can't because I don't have enough alloted time for it.
@@yukioacumora4430 Yeah, maybe there should be more variation in time how long a mission lasts.
@@Omegaset I know what you mean. Feels like you can't event take a breath before something jumps behind you.
They should add a mixture of positive and negative modifiers
They should make the modifiers a player choice all group members agree to and it gives you a multiplier per group member for samples and loot so you're rewarded for choosing to deal with the most annoying thing in the game next to crashes and marshmallow launchers.. more player choice is nice.. it'd make sense main enemy worlds with heavy infestations should have realistic modifiers.. that's how I'd change it.
Positive modifiers would change the game so much in a more exciting way instead of a way that makes me dread readying up
I stopped playing a while ago because it's the same enemies on the same terrain. I could care less about new weapons to kill the same things in the same environment for the same goals. The game needs new enemies, new objectives, and new gametypes if it wants to keep people. It's wild to me we're this far into release and it's still just... Bots and bugs.
Had 4 friends loose access to the game, so I stopped playing myself. Not sure about other people, but blocking off a giant portion of the world is not good for numbers.
7:50 here's how you fix the -1 strategem modifier; *replace it with Swarmageddon from DRG.*
here's how you fix +50% cooldowns and +25% call in time; *replace them with Jump Raider Patrols or Bile Infestation, aka make a unique enemy type spawn from a modifier, or massively spike certain enemy type spawn rates from a modifier - like DRG - AND BE DONE WITH IT.*
isn't a hard concept tbh, it'd make it so certain weapons (like scorcher) may not be ideal in all circumstances (like when six jump pack mg raiders are in your face), forcing you to stop always using the same gun at all times (one of the breaker or punisher family weapons would be better if that happened).
Half the time i’m critiquing this game i’m pretty much saying “take a hint from DRG. They already figured it out”. This game is good too but it’s like watching someone try to reinvent the wheel.
My friends and I are having a DRG renaissance 🙂
Season 5 looks very cool and unlocking kit and doing missions if interesting and fun!
Silver lining from HD2 doing downhill so sharply.
The helldivers playerbase when from positive and optimistic to toxic and obnoxious.
That's the fault of the dev.
Because devs somehow managed to burn seemingly infinite amounts of good will they've gained
A city scape, a town, a large military base/outpost are some urban maps i can come up with
Ruined/Under Siege variations of maps to add more variety
All right, random disconnections are a problem.
I was always scared that my internet sucked a whole lot of ass when I was disconnected, or felt a little annoyed if the host kicked me from the group.
I'm just glad to know I'm not the only one going through the random disconnections during gameplay as they continue to happen.
The developers have crooked hands, for a week every day I found new bugs, constant crashes, terrible network code. The balance team needs to be fired completely, they are just killing the game faster than Sony.
Ya, I used to think that people were being over reactive on the balance team. I now believe that they legitimately are incapable of the task at hand. I know it is subjective, so tell us what the weapon is for and then show us yourself effectively using the weapon for said role. MOtherwise GTFO and let capable hands take over.
The weapon balance is fine.
Design could have met expectations better though.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 The balance of weapons is not in fine, 80% of weapons for me now are weapons to have fun running around on difficulty 5 and I'd rather take a breaker-shotgun if I can find it because it's a fun weapon. All weapons should be like this, its not powerful, but it can kill basic enemies without difficulty. For example I loved the R-36 Eruptor, but now it can't even kill a bile spewer with 3 shots, which has a VULNERABILITY TO EXPLOSIONS.
@@user-nj4ii7dd4q80% of guns aren’t usable? That’s funny since I diversify my loadouts frequently and still come out fine on 5.
@@user-nj4ii7dd4q i generally run on level 7 or 9 and I've found many different load outs to swap between that have been very successful.
hell i went down to lower levels just to isolate chargers to test damage of weapons yesterday and met a kid who was level 2 on his first full mission when he joined me. every mission i bumped up difficulty a few and after 2 hours to explaining how the game works and how to do this or that he was running on lv 9 helldive and surviving and contributing. After that we swapped to his first bit missions at a level 7 and after a few deaths initially he figured out how to use cover and when to pop out and shoot or grenade or throw an stratagem. Was i do a bit of the heavy lifting... sure, but he contributed and frankly id say going from level 2 to level 10 or so in one night running around with a standard liberator with me, he is probably better at the game than a lot of level 40s because he to learned the mechanics of the game and equipment.
also.... are you shooting the green sack?, cuz that's the part that benefits the most from an explosive perk, non explosive damage gets -90% to squishy parts. the explosive damage does do some bypass to armored areas, but its not going to get the over penetration bonus like the squishy part. they nerfed the speed of spewers so it is a bit easier to rotate around them and hit squishy bits
You talk about not liking the majority of the weapons from the latest war bond, but won't vote that you do not like the war bond in the poll. The only way to really get a msg across to the studio is by being frank with them in the polls...
what vote?
@@gibbamon A tiny poll on HD2 discord I think?
Only a small portion of community regardless, nobody I know who used to play was asked anything 🙂
I genuinely think each warbond should introduce armours with themed bonuses that relate to that specific warbond (like how steel patriots has all armours with servo assist and cutting edge has all armours with arc resist). The polar patriots could have been something like “movement affecting terrain effects reduced by 75%” and “+30% resistance to elemental damage” which would have given people something unique, granted bonuses for cold/snow planets while also granting bonuses for all planets and giving the community one of their more requested bonuses in a elemental resist that would help survive both fire and acid as well as lightening.
It’s almost as if when the entirety of planet earth is blocked from a game it’s numbers drop drastically
Note to previous post, I was a 302hrs, lvl 52 average player who would grind for Democracy. I played mostly solo on lvl, 4-6. And lvl 3 for liberation gains. After nerfs and patrol patch, no fun anymore.
We need more prevalence of 'hold your ground' missions where the enemies all come in from 1 direction.
You mean you don't like running to a computer console, pressing buttons, sitting there watching a bar go up, rinse and repeat 5 times, picking something up in your off-hand, running across the map just to do the same thing all over again, then watching the game crash right before you extract?
Yeah, me neither.
@@Jumbuck1151 You wouldn't like anything.
@@Jumbuck1151I remember losing my special weapon and drone by a mine detonation to a small little pond where I drown. Not only that, my purple super samples gone down with me. Someone on my team put mines. I got kick out by the person (host) that put the mines there.
I would love a mission where you land on mega ship due to lost contact or drilling through a planet and fight in caves surrounded by magma.... LITERALLY HELLDIVING
Live service will hurt this game, to think in 1 year we will have 36 New weapons, it will just throw the balance and creativity out. And imagine you being a new player having to grind through TWELVE battlepasses
Better get that wallet out too for SC's unless you want to shoot bugs 24/7 searching maps for PoI's.
I think being a new player seeing so many warbonds would be great. It provides options for the player to systemically pick the warbond they really want and get those weapons.
@@Jasey357 Seriously this is just one big casting net in order to catch the entire stream of fish, wait till they start releasing DLC packs and or other things that will require you to pay money or be left behind.
"it got flames, makes no sense"
It absolutely does.. it for people fighting in the polar environment, not to bring polar to the enemy
I get what he’s saying tho like, why not add like an ice grenade or something instead? We already got fire grenades lol
Then why aren't ALL the weapons fire based then?
It would make absolutely no sense for Helldivers to bring in weapons that deal some sort cold damage if they're going to fight against creatures living in a hold environment and are adapted to it.
I don't know if you noticed but there's a lot of design decisions that make sense, but are not exactly gameplay friendly, for example how you aim with the mech's rockets.
It would make A LOT of sense if weapons in this warband didn't suffer from the Cold condition and it wouldn't affect it's firerate, that armors would make you ignore slow condition from show or blizzard, or something that shows heat signature of the enemies once the blizzard starts, simply put stuff that help you out in a arctic/polar situation
RIP the game is felling down
Don't think so
Do I hear treason?
@@MarwinO3 no
@@MarwinO3 yep, reporting to the ministry of truth
@@robertarmstrong2323have you sen the steam charts? The players online playing have gone down by almost 30%.
Let's not forget that many of the cool things from the leaks seem to be taking a while.
We haven't gotten the 2nd mech with different weapons, we don't have ANY of the vehicles yet [despite being found at the same time as the mechs], we're only NOW finally getting the first tease for the 3rd faction and it's on Twitter, the devs balance things like they legit have no clue how to balance, the leaked new biomes are also not out yet, etc.
I think the problem is two-fold. A lot of my more causal friends have moved on, meaning when the boys get together there's a lot more pull going towards the new "game of the week." The biggest thing that's hurting me is the feeling that we just can't WIN. Most of the worlds being held are just in limbo while we wait for the 25k player roaming fighter squadron to finally get a major order to push back on the front I've been holding with randoms for weeks now.
Nah TRUE HELLDIVERS WILL LIBERATE FOREVER
This is the most virgin comment ever🤣💀
Tryhard.... 🎉
No, it's not. Games lose population slowly over time, then gain some back with new updates, rinse & repeat. Such clickbait, man...
Not for me. I wanted to play, and I had the time, but after 1 hour of swarms of patrols, I turned it off.
Agreed. It's a game where players will come and go. No game was going to keep those peak numbers at launch.
Ppl in 180 countries can't buy the game and ppl be like 'why'?! I'm still boycotting the game because mfs at Sony have geoblocked my country.
It seems like in the quest to destroy the meta, Arrowhead is only making it stronger for specific weapons. Not to mention armor perks being some of the most tame and dull part of customizing.
Also on the topic of Polar Patriots, i havent seen anyone notice that the Polar Ranger armor set is just a re-colored Trailblazer Scout. Just thought that was funny, seeing that they have the same design and stats.
Yeah the Warbond name this time around is a bit wild to me. It seems like the name of it was just a marketing department thing solely based off the fact the armors looks kind of like they fit in with a polar theme but the weapons and everything that's actually got real in game impacts don't have anything to do with the polar theme.
It seems quite clear for me. With the game banned in +170 countries, less coutries, less players. Sony is killing the game.
200 hours in and the bugs and NERFS mede me stop having fun and quit... well done devs. Well done.
The game is in trouble. Yes. That is because the novelty has worn off. Let me explain. The balance team is insiting that every misssion you play no matter what conditions are set, will be won by the skin of your teeth. They keep trying to have players have the full arc of a show every 40 min game. You get up are overun, have to regroup, plan an attack, it fails, then someone does something risky, and miraculously every one extracts with moments to spare. They want that to be the default experience which is entirely novelty based. You can t have the balance team leader say "stratagema are for mediums and higher, while primary and support weapons ar for chaff" because it makes 0 sense. 90% of the stratagems barepy scratch a medium let alone a heavy and specifically state they are for light infantry.
for me its the balancing and the stability.
Stylosa can you bring back Overanalysed please, i understand the game feels dull/boring and depressing but I really enjoy watching them.
No pressure or anything, but even doing a "Overanalysed special" or something temperately would be fine.
I understand the game is supposed to be hard but a level 5 mission shouldn’t feel like a level 9 mission. The guns are all dogshit and you can’t even take a breather now it’s just wave after wave and it doesn’t stop. The fun is gone it’s just hard for no fucking reason now.
Wait a second @1:37. I thought I saw a day or two ago that news came out on reddit where a person showed a screenshot of a message to them from valve stating that the is the one who delisted the game in those regions? I am confused now?
Incase anyone is wondering, the mechs have been shadow buffed and are now basically tanks and hold alot of hits from automatons, so it's a pretty viable option until dificulty 7, anything after that you will get overwhelmed.
I remember the first patch note being about wanting to fulfill the fantasy of the weapons...
I think Alexus was hired only after the first patch cause he definitely does not go by that philosophy
Yeah, once a month on war bonds is a little fast. Half the time I find I'm still trying to figure out the last one and earn everything I want from it and then the new One drops before I'm even done
Player numbers will always drop down, it'll steadily come to level. People panic way too much when a game releases, has a morbillion players, and then steadies out to 20-30 70-80k consistent players. Calm down, game's not going to die.
We need quality over quantity.
Me and my friends stoped playing after the patrols numbers buff, glad to see they reversing it. Maybe gonna come back to the game now
Huh? A few weeks ago everyone on here was saying this was the greatest game that was ever developed in the history of gaming. That it was going to make all other shooters obsolete. Sure to drain every player from OW2 to the point where Blizzard shuts down the servers.
I think the idea of having the effect that takes one stratagem away being tied to something that you cant destroy is a good idea. Maybe they allow you to choose 4 stratagems in the loadout screen but the last one you choose is unusable until the objective is destroyed.
I mean, they still havent opened the game back up to those 170+ countries.
Here's another TIRED VIDEO GAME MECHANIC: the use of aggro mechanics based on tiny visual cones. I have said that this is a bad way to make a game since they started doing it around the year 2000. And it's still bad now. Can you imagine only being able to see a 30 foot cone in front of you? it's stupid in every way. Balance the game around actual sight lines or dont make games at all.
I mean...honestly, I do think asking for more maps missions/biomes etc is too much at this point. We have a lot of missions types, a handful of biomes, I dont get what people want. Each planet to have its own biome? We got jungle, tundra (different looking ones as well), dessert, glacier, the grey ones with the purple plants, acid, moons. I dont get the complaints for lack of biomes honestly.
I feel like we should have more positive modifiers like when they give us free strategems, and maybe new ones like reduced strategem cooldown time. They could couple them with negative modifiers like the orbital spread modifier, to keep it somewhat balanced.
And they should do a little better with the warbond themes. For instance we could have gotten fire resistant armor with all those incindiary weapons. And the winter gear could function better on ice and snow i.e. reduced sliding on ice. They could do one with acid resistance and corrosive grenades and weapons that do minor corrosive dot damage similar to what the player gets when hit with bile.